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Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Spill, your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodney,

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Speaker 1: I'm Burnham, and today is an episode that we have

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Speaker 1: been waiting to do ever since news reached our ears

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so excited to do this, and

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Speaker 2: I'm also so excited to show how much I know

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Speaker 2: about Victoria Beckham since I was previously bullied for not

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Speaker 1: So Yes, this is our brutally honest review of the

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Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham documentary that came out on Netflix over a

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Speaker 1: week ago. I have never forgotten where I come from.

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Speaker 2: The spy scirls made me accept who I am, and

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of law with this particular title

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Speaker 1: because a few weeks ago, just to catch people up,

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Speaker 2: We were very excited about the trailer.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we talked to the trailer and I was so

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Speaker 1: so much about Victoria Beckham. She's so important, but I

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Speaker 2: One of the many things I regret saying.

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Speaker 1: Not knowing the avalanche of criticism that was about to

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Speaker 1: stupid little girl, did you? That's me? That's actually not

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Speaker 1: Can I just say the Spice Girls are all about

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Speaker 2: Stuff, and they really you don't know about the Spicy yes,

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Speaker 1: Which led to us doing a whole episode where I

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Speaker 1: schooled Am on the Spice Girls, but not the important stuff,

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Speaker 2: The amount of comments we've got in on this episode.

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Speaker 2: So we did a really honest review of just the

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Speaker 2: Spice Girls, which is basically it was more like a lesson,

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Speaker 2: his free lesson of people who've like messaged me saying

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Speaker 2: how much they loved that episode. Spice Girls fans, you

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Speaker 2: were saying stuff that even like massive Spy skulls fans

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know how this stuff because I was

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Speaker 2: There's a video on social of me just reacting to

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Speaker 2: things that LB is saying. I'm like what, Jerry, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And also I got so many messages saying like, Laura,

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Speaker 1: all the stories. Everyone was very sad. I didn't tell

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Speaker 1: you about Jerry and Melby hooking up. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: on that. Do you not know this story? What are

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Speaker 1: So there were always rumors because Jerry and Melby, as

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Speaker 2: I've talked about this documentary just so many of my friends,

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Speaker 2: The minute I finished the document, I went on David

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Speaker 1: So instead of an intimate portrait, we did get a

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Speaker 1: They're always like, hey, Victoria, why don't you walk? I

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Speaker 2: I can't believe she sang that song like her parents

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Speaker 1: No, that was great. I thought that was the purpose.

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Speaker 1: pants and the single it with the bet and she's

434
00:18:29,344 --> 00:18:31,504
Speaker 1: got a fake boobs and her hair extensions. I thought

435
00:18:31,504 --> 00:18:32,984
Speaker 1: that was one of the interesting things, is where she

436
00:18:32,984 --> 00:18:35,064
Speaker 1: talks about the fact that she was trying to get attention.

437
00:18:35,264 --> 00:18:36,864
Speaker 2: Yes, she was like the o G wag.

438
00:18:36,944 --> 00:18:38,704
Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't want to fall out of the conversation.

439
00:18:39,064 --> 00:18:43,424
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. That whole storyline of her being

440
00:18:43,464 --> 00:18:47,704
Speaker 2: a wag was so intense for me really. Yeah. I

441
00:18:47,704 --> 00:18:49,864
Speaker 2: think it was the fact that like it started off

442
00:18:49,904 --> 00:18:51,504
Speaker 2: and you see it in the documentary, like she was

443
00:18:51,504 --> 00:18:53,824
Speaker 2: a spice girl. David Beckham had only just started out

444
00:18:53,824 --> 00:18:57,144
Speaker 2: in football, and it was a huge difference in like fame,

445
00:18:57,224 --> 00:18:59,064
Speaker 2: and it was she was the most famous one, like

446
00:18:59,144 --> 00:19:01,184
Speaker 2: she was one who bought Beckingham Palace.

447
00:19:01,464 --> 00:19:03,784
Speaker 1: Yeah. Huge. I thought it was important that he said

448
00:19:03,784 --> 00:19:05,344
Speaker 1: all that because, as you know later on, the tables

449
00:19:05,344 --> 00:19:08,144
Speaker 1: really did flip. But yeah, when they got together, she

450
00:19:08,504 --> 00:19:11,864
Speaker 1: was world famous, like the most famous person in the world,

451
00:19:11,944 --> 00:19:14,824
Speaker 1: and he was I had never heard of David Beckham

452
00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:18,184
Speaker 1: until he married for Torri Beckham and then like worldwide

453
00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:20,264
Speaker 1: he wasn't famous sports fans you.

454
00:19:20,424 --> 00:19:22,304
Speaker 2: And then like they had that big wedding and she

455
00:19:22,384 --> 00:19:25,544
Speaker 2: had Brooklyn and then it's like kind of like switched

456
00:19:25,584 --> 00:19:27,864
Speaker 2: after the Spie Girls, where then he just became so

457
00:19:27,864 --> 00:19:30,664
Speaker 2: so famous and like everyone was just following his career

458
00:19:31,224 --> 00:19:33,224
Speaker 2: and to the point where like everyone loved him so

459
00:19:33,304 --> 00:19:36,304
Speaker 2: much that they started hating her, Yeah, because they were like, why,

460
00:19:36,504 --> 00:19:39,664
Speaker 2: like she's ruining his career. Yeah, and I'm like he

461
00:19:39,744 --> 00:19:40,664
Speaker 2: lives in her house.

462
00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:43,024
Speaker 1: I know. There was that whole thing Remer. People were

463
00:19:43,064 --> 00:19:44,744
Speaker 1: angry that she caught and told him he was she

464
00:19:44,824 --> 00:19:46,624
Speaker 1: was pregnant right before he went to play like a

465
00:19:46,664 --> 00:19:49,264
Speaker 1: really big game. And then people were bullying her because

466
00:19:49,264 --> 00:19:52,344
Speaker 1: they thought that her revealing her pregnancy had caused his

467
00:19:52,384 --> 00:19:52,784
Speaker 1: team to.

468
00:19:52,744 --> 00:19:59,904
Speaker 2: Lose pregnancy to the father of her child. Yeah, I

469
00:19:59,944 --> 00:20:03,264
Speaker 2: have been preparing for the biggest fashion show I have

470
00:20:03,384 --> 00:20:05,864
Speaker 2: ever done. We were millions in the red.

471
00:20:06,144 --> 00:20:08,784
Speaker 1: It made me panic. That's just what you felt like

472
00:20:08,864 --> 00:20:11,184
Speaker 1: when you came to watch he played football. I want

473
00:20:11,224 --> 00:20:13,064
Speaker 1: my kids, I'm David to be proud of me.

474
00:20:14,184 --> 00:20:17,344
Speaker 2: It's taken so long to get to this point. I'm

475
00:20:17,384 --> 00:20:19,344
Speaker 2: not gonna let it slips through my fingers again.

476
00:20:20,264 --> 00:20:22,224
Speaker 1: Sorry, much about this documentary as just saying it's an

477
00:20:22,224 --> 00:20:25,024
Speaker 1: ad for the House of Victoria Mecha and I bought

478
00:20:25,104 --> 00:20:26,904
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah you did again, you were trying to

479
00:20:26,904 --> 00:20:27,504
Speaker 1: buy the T shirt.

480
00:20:27,704 --> 00:20:30,824
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt far. I did what they needed me

481
00:20:30,904 --> 00:20:31,184
Speaker 2: to do.

482
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:34,904
Speaker 1: I'm very conflicted about what I think of her as

483
00:20:35,024 --> 00:20:37,064
Speaker 1: maybe not a designer. I mean, she says she designs

484
00:20:37,064 --> 00:20:40,064
Speaker 1: them all herself, and I'm sure that's mostly true.

485
00:20:40,104 --> 00:20:41,824
Speaker 2: Well, she confessed she's not a drawer.

486
00:20:42,064 --> 00:20:45,584
Speaker 1: Yah, she's a raper. I get things we didn't know

487
00:20:45,584 --> 00:20:47,544
Speaker 1: about until I'm like.

488
00:20:47,464 --> 00:20:48,784
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe I can be in fashion.

489
00:20:49,064 --> 00:20:51,224
Speaker 1: I can drape, you can drape, you can make a collection.

490
00:20:51,344 --> 00:20:53,384
Speaker 2: Well, I can drape on myself, which is what she does.

491
00:20:53,744 --> 00:20:55,224
Speaker 1: Think there might be a little bit more to it,

492
00:20:55,264 --> 00:20:56,744
Speaker 1: but again we didn't really get to see that and

493
00:20:56,744 --> 00:20:59,464
Speaker 1: then inside of it too much. But it's interesting because

494
00:20:59,504 --> 00:21:01,664
Speaker 1: so much the documentary, apart from trying to sell her

495
00:21:01,704 --> 00:21:04,464
Speaker 1: wares to us, so much of the documentary is saying, like,

496
00:21:04,824 --> 00:21:08,344
Speaker 1: you've all misjudged Victoria Beckham. She's this incredible creative force.

497
00:21:08,704 --> 00:21:11,904
Speaker 1: No one believed in her, everyone underestimated her, and look

498
00:21:11,984 --> 00:21:14,424
Speaker 1: what she can do, and look what she's done, and

499
00:21:14,464 --> 00:21:16,224
Speaker 1: there was an element of that, Like I think the

500
00:21:16,424 --> 00:21:18,864
Speaker 1: documentary was really pushing this big, kind of fairy tale

501
00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:21,144
Speaker 1: ending of how she came out on top, but I

502
00:21:21,184 --> 00:21:24,784
Speaker 1: was never completely buying that story all the way through.

503
00:21:24,864 --> 00:21:27,904
Speaker 1: Why not no one starts a fashion brand without huge,

504
00:21:27,984 --> 00:21:29,784
Speaker 1: huge investment, Like it's just one of those things you

505
00:21:29,784 --> 00:21:31,464
Speaker 1: can't do unless you have a huge It's like becoming

506
00:21:31,464 --> 00:21:33,304
Speaker 1: a race card driver. You can't do it unless you

507
00:21:33,304 --> 00:21:35,624
Speaker 1: have a huge amount of money. So that doesn't make

508
00:21:35,624 --> 00:21:37,584
Speaker 1: her any different. But I think there was so much

509
00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:40,024
Speaker 1: in it talking about like the amount of times that

510
00:21:40,104 --> 00:21:42,864
Speaker 1: David Beckham had to bail her out with his money.

511
00:21:43,304 --> 00:21:46,744
Speaker 2: Really interesting, Like I could kind of feel the embarrassment.

512
00:21:47,224 --> 00:21:49,024
Speaker 1: Yeah, And not that I'm judging her for that, and

513
00:21:49,024 --> 00:21:51,584
Speaker 1: I explaining that, well, I just think that it's twofold

514
00:21:51,624 --> 00:21:54,104
Speaker 1: because on one hand, there's more pressure on her because

515
00:21:54,144 --> 00:21:57,784
Speaker 1: everyone would have loved to see Posh Spice fail and

516
00:21:57,824 --> 00:22:00,464
Speaker 1: as Anna Wintur who is in the documentary, a lot

517
00:22:00,504 --> 00:22:02,624
Speaker 1: of people are pushing her, were pushing her to fail

518
00:22:02,664 --> 00:22:05,624
Speaker 1: and stuff. But also so much of her fame is

519
00:22:05,624 --> 00:22:09,184
Speaker 1: what brought in the attention and the headlines and the

520
00:22:09,224 --> 00:22:11,704
Speaker 1: client base and then, and the fact that that company

521
00:22:11,744 --> 00:22:15,104
Speaker 1: went for so many years losing such a huge, extreme

522
00:22:15,184 --> 00:22:18,104
Speaker 1: amount of money, and the fact that David was bailing

523
00:22:18,104 --> 00:22:20,184
Speaker 1: her out and she was spending seventy thousand dollars on

524
00:22:20,224 --> 00:22:21,384
Speaker 1: office plants.

525
00:22:21,184 --> 00:22:23,144
Speaker 2: And fifteen thousand dollars for someone to water them.

526
00:22:23,264 --> 00:22:25,784
Speaker 1: Yeah, and flying chairs from one side of the world

527
00:22:25,824 --> 00:22:28,624
Speaker 1: and back just because someone liked the beige color of

528
00:22:28,664 --> 00:22:31,504
Speaker 1: this cushion, all these crazy things. It's like, I think

529
00:22:31,544 --> 00:22:32,944
Speaker 1: what it is is I can hold her up as

530
00:22:32,944 --> 00:22:34,944
Speaker 1: a good designer, but I can't hold her up as

531
00:22:34,984 --> 00:22:36,544
Speaker 1: a good business woman. And I think that's what she

532
00:22:36,584 --> 00:22:38,584
Speaker 1: wanted us to think she was. But I was like,

533
00:22:38,624 --> 00:22:41,544
Speaker 1: you're actually doesn't seem like you're that good at business.

534
00:22:41,824 --> 00:22:44,944
Speaker 1: You just had enough power and fame and friends and

535
00:22:45,024 --> 00:22:47,744
Speaker 1: family money from your husband well to make a good dream.

536
00:22:47,944 --> 00:22:50,264
Speaker 2: I think she tried to push because, like in the

537
00:22:50,304 --> 00:22:53,624
Speaker 2: documentary she even said like she was so embarrassed that

538
00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:55,224
Speaker 2: it got to a point where she was spending so

539
00:22:55,304 --> 00:22:58,704
Speaker 2: much feraruless money that she didn't realize and like what

540
00:22:58,944 --> 00:23:01,704
Speaker 2: was shown but not said was like these two men

541
00:23:01,864 --> 00:23:05,304
Speaker 2: had to essentially bail her out exactly I meant David

542
00:23:05,304 --> 00:23:07,704
Speaker 2: Beckham and then her now business partner. It was like

543
00:23:07,744 --> 00:23:09,784
Speaker 2: a man as well, I had to like come in

544
00:23:09,904 --> 00:23:10,224
Speaker 2: to help.

545
00:23:10,784 --> 00:23:12,824
Speaker 1: That's always thinking again again, I don't think that women

546
00:23:12,904 --> 00:23:16,264
Speaker 1: have to be held to this heightened sort of sense

547
00:23:16,304 --> 00:23:20,104
Speaker 1: of like solo independence where you're only successful if you

548
00:23:20,144 --> 00:23:22,104
Speaker 1: do it completely by yourself.

549
00:23:21,864 --> 00:23:24,504
Speaker 2: And also like you have to be successful at every aspect.

550
00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:27,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also think there is sometimes that unspoken

551
00:23:27,344 --> 00:23:29,104
Speaker 1: thing of like it's like with the spic skills, it's

552
00:23:29,464 --> 00:23:31,664
Speaker 1: that idea of like girl pale, but also it's my

553
00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:34,744
Speaker 1: husband's money and my male business partner who came into,

554
00:23:35,024 --> 00:23:37,704
Speaker 1: as she said, not just give her more money, but

555
00:23:37,864 --> 00:23:39,984
Speaker 1: run the business side of it and advise her.

556
00:23:40,264 --> 00:23:42,704
Speaker 2: And even the way he chose to come on was

557
00:23:42,704 --> 00:23:43,824
Speaker 2: also a bit icky for me.

558
00:23:44,344 --> 00:23:46,584
Speaker 1: Oh with his wife, Yeah, it sounded like a lie.

559
00:23:46,624 --> 00:23:48,304
Speaker 1: I'll just say it. That sounded like a lie. Okay,

560
00:23:48,424 --> 00:23:49,704
Speaker 1: he said that just for the documentary.

561
00:23:49,704 --> 00:23:51,824
Speaker 2: I believe it was a lie because it sounded bad.

562
00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:54,424
Speaker 1: There's no way a businessman who has that amount of

563
00:23:54,424 --> 00:23:57,544
Speaker 1: money and for that amount of investment, for anyone who's

564
00:23:57,544 --> 00:23:59,504
Speaker 1: on a cross out section of the documentary he's talking

565
00:23:59,504 --> 00:24:03,104
Speaker 1: about he had turned down becoming a business partner of

566
00:24:03,184 --> 00:24:05,664
Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham, and she was devastated because it was the

567
00:24:05,744 --> 00:24:07,944
Speaker 1: last kind of thing that would save the business. And

568
00:24:07,984 --> 00:24:09,864
Speaker 1: then he was taking his wife out on a date.

569
00:24:10,504 --> 00:24:13,344
Speaker 1: She came down and looked beautiful and then he's like, oh,

570
00:24:13,424 --> 00:24:15,064
Speaker 1: why do you look so beautiful and she said, well,

571
00:24:15,064 --> 00:24:18,464
Speaker 1: I'm wearing Victoria Beckham and then he decided to invest.

572
00:24:18,584 --> 00:24:21,464
Speaker 2: But there are businessmen who do that. I think it's

573
00:24:21,504 --> 00:24:24,864
Speaker 2: so common for men to do that. Like I remember

574
00:24:24,904 --> 00:24:28,784
Speaker 2: hearing stories about a list actors wanting to like go

575
00:24:28,864 --> 00:24:31,824
Speaker 2: to One Direction concert and support them because their daughters

576
00:24:31,864 --> 00:24:33,824
Speaker 2: really love One Direction. No, I know, but there's a

577
00:24:33,824 --> 00:24:35,184
Speaker 2: specific type of person.

578
00:24:35,984 --> 00:24:38,104
Speaker 1: That's the big difference between going to a one Direction

579
00:24:38,424 --> 00:24:42,464
Speaker 1: concert and then investing fifty million dollars into a brand

580
00:24:42,464 --> 00:24:43,864
Speaker 1: that unlesson. But you don't think he.

581
00:24:43,864 --> 00:24:46,224
Speaker 2: Actually did that because he comes across the phone.

582
00:24:46,224 --> 00:24:48,024
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was more to it than that. He

583
00:24:48,064 --> 00:24:49,504
Speaker 1: was just trying to tell like a fun story for

584
00:24:49,544 --> 00:24:51,624
Speaker 1: his wife. You should do it, And I'm like, okay,

585
00:24:52,064 --> 00:24:54,064
Speaker 1: I'm worrying Victoria Beckham. Of course, on the day you

586
00:24:54,104 --> 00:24:55,024
Speaker 1: turn down the deal, oh.

587
00:24:55,024 --> 00:24:57,144
Speaker 2: God, can someone can someone a list to please listen

588
00:24:57,144 --> 00:24:59,824
Speaker 2: to the spill when they're talking to the next business.

589
00:25:00,064 --> 00:25:01,664
Speaker 1: You're like, just get some advice.

590
00:25:01,424 --> 00:25:02,544
Speaker 2: Get some advice, you know.

591
00:25:02,784 --> 00:25:06,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, so againshing Victoria beckhams Obviously I do love her,

592
00:25:06,224 --> 00:25:09,184
Speaker 1: but maybe this is interesting to kind of see. You know,

593
00:25:09,264 --> 00:25:11,144
Speaker 1: if you just saw her six it would just look

594
00:25:11,184 --> 00:25:13,784
Speaker 1: like she had just built this huge, flawless business up

595
00:25:13,864 --> 00:25:15,944
Speaker 1: on her own. But the truth of the matter is

596
00:25:15,984 --> 00:25:18,024
Speaker 1: it was losing money, which I do I think they

597
00:25:18,104 --> 00:25:19,664
Speaker 1: had to address it because I actually think part of

598
00:25:19,664 --> 00:25:21,944
Speaker 1: her would have loved to have buried that away. But

599
00:25:22,144 --> 00:25:25,184
Speaker 1: it was front page news across every news outlet. The

600
00:25:25,184 --> 00:25:25,944
Speaker 1: first time they.

601
00:25:25,864 --> 00:25:27,544
Speaker 2: Posted it was like hobbybares are out.

602
00:25:27,624 --> 00:25:29,944
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time they posted a massive loss, and

603
00:25:29,944 --> 00:25:32,744
Speaker 1: then another one, and then word came out that David

604
00:25:32,744 --> 00:25:34,904
Speaker 1: Beckham had put more money in, and then the sales

605
00:25:34,944 --> 00:25:36,624
Speaker 1: figures came out that they had fallen again.

606
00:25:37,424 --> 00:25:40,384
Speaker 2: And the only thing they didn't mention because but they

607
00:25:40,424 --> 00:25:43,664
Speaker 2: also kind of mentioned in the first documentary, I couldn't

608
00:25:43,704 --> 00:25:47,504
Speaker 2: work out where the alleged affair happened. Oh, it happened

609
00:25:47,584 --> 00:25:48,784
Speaker 2: during that timeline.

610
00:25:48,984 --> 00:25:53,184
Speaker 1: It happened when he first moved to Madrid to play

611
00:25:53,184 --> 00:25:55,784
Speaker 1: for Real Madrid and she was still in London. With

612
00:25:56,064 --> 00:26:00,704
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and Romeo. It happened in that time period, but yeah, everyone.

613
00:26:00,544 --> 00:26:02,744
Speaker 2: Was still hating her. Yeah, oh no, I a.

614
00:26:02,704 --> 00:26:04,904
Speaker 1: Lot of timeline. Well she deserved it because she looks mean.

615
00:26:05,624 --> 00:26:10,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, a sad cow. That's what they held Ah see. Okay,

616
00:26:10,824 --> 00:26:13,304
Speaker 2: so I cried in this document did you? Yeah?

617
00:26:13,624 --> 00:26:14,504
Speaker 1: Okay? Wow? Wow?

618
00:26:14,704 --> 00:26:16,424
Speaker 2: I think it was like the end of episode two,

619
00:26:17,024 --> 00:26:18,904
Speaker 2: was it called kill the Wag or something? Killed the

620
00:26:18,904 --> 00:26:22,224
Speaker 2: Wag at the end of episode two and she's obviously

621
00:26:22,304 --> 00:26:26,144
Speaker 2: getting ready for like her first massive, massive show in

622
00:26:26,224 --> 00:26:28,664
Speaker 2: Paris outside in the Rain.

623
00:26:28,864 --> 00:26:31,184
Speaker 1: I loved those scenes. I was like, you know, I

624
00:26:31,184 --> 00:26:34,704
Speaker 1: think everyone wants this tell of Victoria Beckham's life. We're

625
00:26:34,704 --> 00:26:37,304
Speaker 1: obviously never going to get that. I would have watched

626
00:26:37,344 --> 00:26:40,704
Speaker 1: six hours of just her and her team putting together

627
00:26:40,744 --> 00:26:43,824
Speaker 1: that fashion show. It was I felt was sooth and

628
00:26:44,384 --> 00:26:48,304
Speaker 1: my really, what's gonna happen to gidd How's she gonna

629
00:26:48,304 --> 00:26:48,984
Speaker 1: make it down that way?

630
00:26:49,064 --> 00:26:51,504
Speaker 2: I think that's literally like this documentary. I felt like

631
00:26:52,184 --> 00:26:54,424
Speaker 2: it's perfect for people who didn't know much about Victoria

632
00:26:54,464 --> 00:26:56,144
Speaker 2: Beckham because I just bought into everything.

633
00:26:56,344 --> 00:26:59,544
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what a documentary for a point of view.

634
00:26:59,344 --> 00:27:01,304
Speaker 2: And the stakes for me were just so so high,

635
00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:02,904
Speaker 2: like at the end of episode two when everything was

636
00:27:02,944 --> 00:27:05,424
Speaker 2: going wrong and she had to remove herself and kind of.

637
00:27:05,384 --> 00:27:08,384
Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, I cried what because you would just

638
00:27:08,464 --> 00:27:09,624
Speaker 1: overcome with what she was going for.

639
00:27:09,904 --> 00:27:11,544
Speaker 2: And I was like, what if it doesn't happen, What

640
00:27:11,584 --> 00:27:12,824
Speaker 2: if the rain's really bad?

641
00:27:12,944 --> 00:27:15,544
Speaker 1: Like I was strapping her Parisian castle out, and I was.

642
00:27:15,544 --> 00:27:16,984
Speaker 2: Like, She's been through so much. And it was like

643
00:27:17,024 --> 00:27:19,744
Speaker 2: also the way they framed it was just so clever

644
00:27:20,344 --> 00:27:23,104
Speaker 2: in the sense of like using all those interviews where

645
00:27:23,144 --> 00:27:25,784
Speaker 2: people are like banging her out about her looks and

646
00:27:25,864 --> 00:27:28,384
Speaker 2: like her weight and being weighed on a scale, and

647
00:27:28,384 --> 00:27:32,144
Speaker 2: how she like suffered in eating disorder and like basically

648
00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:35,344
Speaker 2: like having to raise children kind of alone because David

649
00:27:35,464 --> 00:27:39,344
Speaker 2: was like always overseas alleges like having a her and

650
00:27:39,464 --> 00:27:42,624
Speaker 2: just like how for the longest time the world hated

651
00:27:42,664 --> 00:27:45,984
Speaker 2: her so much. And she talks about in comparison with

652
00:27:46,024 --> 00:27:49,504
Speaker 2: like Eva Longoria, her friend who's like famous actress, and

653
00:27:49,544 --> 00:27:51,824
Speaker 2: how she like was so jealous that Eva could just

654
00:27:51,864 --> 00:27:53,704
Speaker 2: be herself in front of the cameras and even until

655
00:27:53,744 --> 00:27:56,184
Speaker 2: this day, Victoria can't do that. Yeah, she has to

656
00:27:56,264 --> 00:27:59,624
Speaker 2: be like change herself completely in front of the camera.

657
00:27:59,944 --> 00:28:02,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting because for a long time Eva Longoria,

658
00:28:02,864 --> 00:28:06,424
Speaker 1: after Desperate Housewives finished, she was just seen as a wag.

659
00:28:06,664 --> 00:28:08,904
Speaker 1: She and I can't remember the name now. She was

660
00:28:08,944 --> 00:28:12,584
Speaker 1: married to a very famous basketball player and they had

661
00:28:12,704 --> 00:28:16,424
Speaker 1: the biggest blowout wedding than you have ever seen, like

662
00:28:16,544 --> 00:28:20,024
Speaker 1: the biggest celebrity wedding, like thirty brides meads. She had

663
00:28:20,064 --> 00:28:22,744
Speaker 1: a dressed that like I've gone now, I think I've

664
00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:25,264
Speaker 1: got I've exaggerated, but not my much, Like basically amount

665
00:28:25,264 --> 00:28:26,864
Speaker 1: of people at my wedding it was around ten. But

666
00:28:26,984 --> 00:28:28,104
Speaker 1: she has a lot of sisters and cousins.

667
00:28:28,104 --> 00:28:29,744
Speaker 2: I gotta be like, mad, you're had.

668
00:28:30,744 --> 00:28:32,624
Speaker 1: She had this beautiful I remember seeing the pictures of

669
00:28:32,624 --> 00:28:34,984
Speaker 1: the magazine just being like the train could have stretched

670
00:28:34,984 --> 00:28:37,024
Speaker 1: down like the main street outside of this office with

671
00:28:37,184 --> 00:28:39,544
Speaker 1: silver and it was this whole huge thing. It was

672
00:28:39,544 --> 00:28:41,264
Speaker 1: on the front cover of every magazine. And then he

673
00:28:41,384 --> 00:28:44,064
Speaker 1: cheated on her. This wedding was on the front page

674
00:28:44,064 --> 00:28:46,904
Speaker 1: of like every magazine. They're on red carpets together, our

675
00:28:46,904 --> 00:28:49,904
Speaker 1: producers telling me his name is Tony Parker. How dare

676
00:28:49,944 --> 00:28:51,784
Speaker 1: we say that man's name on this podcast?

677
00:28:52,424 --> 00:28:52,984
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

678
00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:55,864
Speaker 1: And she was yeah, but she was like embraced being

679
00:28:55,864 --> 00:28:57,504
Speaker 1: a wag. She was like, not that she wanted to

680
00:28:57,544 --> 00:28:59,424
Speaker 1: be called that because she was also like a business woman,

681
00:28:59,464 --> 00:29:01,224
Speaker 1: but she was like, I love this man. I'm going

682
00:29:01,264 --> 00:29:03,144
Speaker 1: to do anything even though I'm a famous actress. And

683
00:29:03,144 --> 00:29:05,664
Speaker 1: then he cheated on her and she's like accumiliated. So

684
00:29:05,704 --> 00:29:07,904
Speaker 1: I feel like she and Victoria Beckham, even though Victoria

685
00:29:07,944 --> 00:29:10,704
Speaker 1: stayed with David, I feel like there's some bonding over that.

686
00:29:10,904 --> 00:29:13,344
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would have bonded. Yeah, I would have wondered

687
00:29:13,424 --> 00:29:13,824
Speaker 2: hard for.

688
00:29:14,304 --> 00:29:16,584
Speaker 1: They're just sitting somewhere on the floor drinking there tequila

689
00:29:16,624 --> 00:29:18,304
Speaker 1: waters because it's what they drink because they're like it's

690
00:29:18,304 --> 00:29:22,984
Speaker 1: no calories, and like bonding over there cheating sportsman.

691
00:29:23,224 --> 00:29:26,584
Speaker 2: I also found like the little cuts to the children

692
00:29:26,944 --> 00:29:28,384
Speaker 2: trying Oh.

693
00:29:28,224 --> 00:29:30,504
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we have Harper you know what's really cute?

694
00:29:30,544 --> 00:29:33,784
Speaker 1: Harper seven Beckham when she came in to introduce her

695
00:29:33,944 --> 00:29:35,464
Speaker 1: mom at the magazine.

696
00:29:35,024 --> 00:29:36,704
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that nearly made me cry again.

697
00:29:37,224 --> 00:29:39,144
Speaker 1: You know, I thought when she was like, I'm just like,

698
00:29:39,264 --> 00:29:41,944
Speaker 1: is this girl out of touch or dor children now

699
00:29:42,064 --> 00:29:44,384
Speaker 1: just not know like magazine titles because no one really

700
00:29:44,424 --> 00:29:47,664
Speaker 1: reads magazines anymore. When she goes whattage of her. She's

701
00:29:47,704 --> 00:29:50,064
Speaker 1: looking around Harper, She's looking around, and then she looks

702
00:29:50,064 --> 00:29:52,664
Speaker 1: at her mum. She goes, why is Harpers Bizarre written

703
00:29:52,704 --> 00:29:55,624
Speaker 1: all over the walls? And Victoria Becan goes, it's the

704
00:29:55,704 --> 00:29:59,824
Speaker 1: name of the magazine that's honoring me, And Harper goes, oh,

705
00:29:59,904 --> 00:30:03,104
Speaker 1: I thought it was for me, just like and then

706
00:30:03,224 --> 00:30:05,504
Speaker 1: just goes about her business. And I was like, is

707
00:30:05,544 --> 00:30:07,784
Speaker 1: that a kid thing or is that an extremely wealthy

708
00:30:07,824 --> 00:30:09,824
Speaker 1: nepo baby thing that she thought they'd just written her name?

709
00:30:10,424 --> 00:30:11,384
Speaker 2: It is a kid thing?

710
00:30:11,584 --> 00:30:13,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I know I'm not ragging on half on.

711
00:30:14,104 --> 00:30:15,864
Speaker 2: But if it's an eper baby thing, come on, bick,

712
00:30:16,504 --> 00:30:19,264
Speaker 2: come on, get it together together, teach these kids.

713
00:30:19,544 --> 00:30:21,664
Speaker 1: Yes, we saw her getting fitted for her dress, which

714
00:30:21,784 --> 00:30:25,264
Speaker 1: was very cute. Saw Romeo and his girlfriend, yeah, slinking

715
00:30:25,304 --> 00:30:25,584
Speaker 1: in the back.

716
00:30:25,624 --> 00:30:29,384
Speaker 2: Oh my god. His girlfriend was like locked in. Yeah,

717
00:30:29,504 --> 00:30:31,504
Speaker 2: she was like ready to talk and like every time

718
00:30:31,544 --> 00:30:33,904
Speaker 2: she went to talk. So I just kept away and

719
00:30:33,944 --> 00:30:35,904
Speaker 2: she was like, you look beautiful, and she's like thank you.

720
00:30:36,384 --> 00:30:39,944
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, no, Victoria's had enough

721
00:30:39,944 --> 00:30:43,104
Speaker 1: with her son's ladies. She's like and she was at

722
00:30:43,144 --> 00:30:45,504
Speaker 1: the show. But his much older girlfriend who's like ten

723
00:30:45,584 --> 00:30:47,344
Speaker 1: years older than him. I don't know if they were

724
00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:49,664
Speaker 1: together because it was a while ago, but whoever he

725
00:30:49,704 --> 00:30:50,744
Speaker 1: was with kept getting.

726
00:30:51,904 --> 00:30:54,664
Speaker 2: Crude, and David met him giving his two cents and

727
00:30:54,664 --> 00:30:57,504
Speaker 2: everyone just ignoring him, like, not just Victoria, but everyone

728
00:30:57,544 --> 00:30:59,824
Speaker 2: in that room ignoring Me's like, don't you think that

729
00:31:00,144 --> 00:31:03,264
Speaker 2: dress is too long for Harper? And no one says anything.

730
00:31:03,424 --> 00:31:07,064
Speaker 1: David, You're not wanted here, You're just you're here, just

731
00:31:07,104 --> 00:31:08,424
Speaker 1: here for the money and nothing else.

732
00:31:08,424 --> 00:31:09,824
Speaker 2: Even he said in the docor he's like, I like

733
00:31:09,864 --> 00:31:10,264
Speaker 2: to give my.

734
00:31:10,984 --> 00:31:13,744
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one takes it. Yeah. The stakes of that

735
00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:16,024
Speaker 1: fashion show felt so high, I guess because she'd gone

736
00:31:16,024 --> 00:31:18,184
Speaker 1: from doing that small showing in just a room and

737
00:31:18,224 --> 00:31:20,424
Speaker 1: each year getting a bit bigger, a bit bigger to

738
00:31:20,544 --> 00:31:24,304
Speaker 1: an entire Parisian castle that they had rented out with

739
00:31:24,344 --> 00:31:27,024
Speaker 1: that outdoor space, and like this, how high the stakes were.

740
00:31:27,304 --> 00:31:29,104
Speaker 1: It was so funny because I'd love to see what

741
00:31:29,184 --> 00:31:31,824
Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham is like when the camera's not on her,

742
00:31:32,064 --> 00:31:33,904
Speaker 1: because I think she's beat in front of a camera

743
00:31:33,944 --> 00:31:36,344
Speaker 1: for so long, and she's so curated and that's why

744
00:31:36,384 --> 00:31:38,224
Speaker 1: she never smiles out in the street and everything. So

745
00:31:38,224 --> 00:31:40,224
Speaker 1: it's such a specific way and I think she had

746
00:31:40,264 --> 00:31:43,504
Speaker 1: given herself a brief before this started that she was

747
00:31:43,504 --> 00:31:46,784
Speaker 1: going to come across as warm and caring. But I

748
00:31:46,824 --> 00:31:49,264
Speaker 1: get the feeling that she's not like that all the time,

749
00:31:49,344 --> 00:31:51,184
Speaker 1: nor should she be, because she's the boss. Yeah, she

750
00:31:51,224 --> 00:31:53,104
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be warm and caring. But there were

751
00:31:53,184 --> 00:31:55,184
Speaker 1: so many moments where you just see people around her

752
00:31:55,184 --> 00:31:57,704
Speaker 1: being a little bit nervous and her being like overly nice.

753
00:31:58,064 --> 00:31:59,264
Speaker 1: And I was watching it and I was like, I

754
00:31:59,304 --> 00:32:01,264
Speaker 1: just know that she doesn't act like that all the time.

755
00:32:01,384 --> 00:32:04,024
Speaker 1: You know how the model was shivering, yeah, and she

756
00:32:04,144 --> 00:32:07,264
Speaker 1: was really cold. And Victoria Beckham herself as her show's

757
00:32:07,264 --> 00:32:11,064
Speaker 1: got to start, everything's happening, She's got hundreds of people outside.

758
00:32:11,224 --> 00:32:14,904
Speaker 1: Everyone behind the scenes is running around, you know, trying

759
00:32:14,944 --> 00:32:18,704
Speaker 1: to get things together. Everyone needs Victoria. And she's going

760
00:32:18,744 --> 00:32:20,744
Speaker 1: and getting the blanket for the model and she's putting

761
00:32:20,784 --> 00:32:22,784
Speaker 1: it around her. Then she goes it's another blanket and

762
00:32:22,784 --> 00:32:24,504
Speaker 1: she puts it around her and she's rubbing her and

763
00:32:24,584 --> 00:32:26,904
Speaker 1: she's like are you okay? Are you okay? And everyone

764
00:32:26,944 --> 00:32:29,224
Speaker 1: around her is looking at her being like what are

765
00:32:29,264 --> 00:32:31,464
Speaker 1: you doing, which makes you think that she doesn't normally

766
00:32:31,544 --> 00:32:32,144
Speaker 1: behave like that.

767
00:32:32,184 --> 00:32:35,544
Speaker 2: Well, there was another scene where she tells one of

768
00:32:35,544 --> 00:32:38,144
Speaker 2: the designers, Hey, just letting you know the auffort I

769
00:32:38,144 --> 00:32:39,544
Speaker 2: got still had the pins in the bra.

770
00:32:40,104 --> 00:32:40,984
Speaker 1: Oh is that bit?

771
00:32:41,504 --> 00:32:43,824
Speaker 2: That designer looked like they were going to die in

772
00:32:43,864 --> 00:32:46,864
Speaker 2: that moment. She literally looked down like as if she's

773
00:32:46,904 --> 00:32:48,624
Speaker 2: about to cry, and she's like, I'm so sorry, I'm

774
00:32:48,664 --> 00:32:50,744
Speaker 2: so sorry, and she's like it's fine, like it's not

775
00:32:50,784 --> 00:32:52,704
Speaker 2: an issue because it's me, but it's an issue if

776
00:32:52,704 --> 00:32:53,624
Speaker 2: it happens on Friday.

777
00:32:53,664 --> 00:32:55,104
Speaker 1: Can I tell you the other thing that I feared

778
00:32:55,144 --> 00:32:57,544
Speaker 1: for this woman's life. When the show's going on and

779
00:32:57,864 --> 00:33:00,224
Speaker 1: the first few models are going out and one model

780
00:33:00,224 --> 00:33:03,024
Speaker 1: comes out and she's holding her hand bag. I nearly

781
00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:04,904
Speaker 1: fell off my Carrie. I was so strossed. And she's

782
00:33:04,904 --> 00:33:07,344
Speaker 1: holding the bag and Victoria's like, that's the wrong bag,

783
00:33:07,784 --> 00:33:09,304
Speaker 1: and then she's like, doesn't say anything. And then the

784
00:33:09,344 --> 00:33:12,344
Speaker 1: woman comes over who gave her the bag, and she's like,

785
00:33:12,384 --> 00:33:14,744
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm

786
00:33:14,744 --> 00:33:17,784
Speaker 1: so sorry, I'm so sorry, and Victoria doesn't say anything,

787
00:33:18,224 --> 00:33:20,784
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, has anyone I heard from that

788
00:33:20,824 --> 00:33:23,664
Speaker 1: woman since or her family? I does anyone know where

789
00:33:23,704 --> 00:33:25,704
Speaker 1: she is. I felt that in my burns.

790
00:33:25,864 --> 00:33:29,504
Speaker 2: I felt like I was going to get fired. She

791
00:33:29,504 --> 00:33:30,984
Speaker 2: didn't even make eye contact with her.

792
00:33:31,144 --> 00:33:33,464
Speaker 1: No, that's what I mean, not with the camera on them.

793
00:33:33,704 --> 00:33:36,464
Speaker 1: So I wonder what actually happens if she's difficult behind

794
00:33:36,504 --> 00:33:38,704
Speaker 1: the scenes. Victoria Beckham, she's allowed to because she's the boss,

795
00:33:38,944 --> 00:33:40,904
Speaker 1: so that's fine. I'm not saying that women are always

796
00:33:40,984 --> 00:33:42,744
Speaker 1: like that, but I'm just saying this particular. I just

797
00:33:42,984 --> 00:33:45,944
Speaker 1: feel like it was very performative for the camera, and

798
00:33:45,984 --> 00:33:49,624
Speaker 1: you could see how that woman was petrified. And again,

799
00:33:49,824 --> 00:33:52,384
Speaker 1: have we seen her since or is she buried under date?

800
00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:55,784
Speaker 2: Running on that run when bag off that model?

801
00:33:56,024 --> 00:33:58,304
Speaker 1: What about the model who came in with the scarred knee?

802
00:33:58,744 --> 00:34:01,744
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I would have gone and got my

803
00:34:01,784 --> 00:34:03,984
Speaker 1: leg chopped off on a new one sewed on before I.

804
00:34:03,944 --> 00:34:07,584
Speaker 2: Came in Paris. Yes, I get it. You're allowed to

805
00:34:07,584 --> 00:34:11,264
Speaker 2: see the sides you have. You're one job is to

806
00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,784
Speaker 2: walk down a runway, has your legs on the show,

807
00:34:13,984 --> 00:34:15,264
Speaker 2: so you decide to get on a bike.

808
00:34:15,784 --> 00:34:18,504
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was actually Paris is all cobblestone and gravel.

809
00:34:18,864 --> 00:34:20,304
Speaker 1: What do you expect is going to happen?

810
00:34:20,624 --> 00:34:22,224
Speaker 2: I've been to Paris twice in my life, and I

811
00:34:22,224 --> 00:34:23,544
Speaker 2: saw like eight people fall down.

812
00:34:24,504 --> 00:34:27,264
Speaker 1: You're saying I fell down multiple times. I haven't.

813
00:34:27,744 --> 00:34:29,384
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was sensible and I don't get on

814
00:34:29,384 --> 00:34:31,424
Speaker 2: those bikes. That's crazy, not a line bike. She's like,

815
00:34:32,144 --> 00:34:34,504
Speaker 2: don't even stop. No, I know I have a mine

816
00:34:34,504 --> 00:34:36,784
Speaker 2: on her own. They just like, can someone just tell

817
00:34:36,784 --> 00:34:38,944
Speaker 2: her she's out of the show. If I was Victoria

818
00:34:38,984 --> 00:34:41,144
Speaker 2: beckhams per I had been like, hey, girl, so you're

819
00:34:41,144 --> 00:34:43,104
Speaker 2: not in the show anymore because your knees are messed up,

820
00:34:43,784 --> 00:34:44,544
Speaker 2: get out.

821
00:34:45,024 --> 00:34:47,544
Speaker 1: And I bet that did happen, but they tilted the camera.

822
00:34:47,584 --> 00:34:49,664
Speaker 2: Luckily she had to wear that crazy skirt that they

823
00:34:49,704 --> 00:34:50,544
Speaker 2: weren't too sure about.

824
00:34:50,664 --> 00:34:54,264
Speaker 1: Yes, was that skirt keeping up at night? Oh my god,

825
00:34:54,904 --> 00:34:56,184
Speaker 1: this is the most stressed I've ever seen.

826
00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:58,504
Speaker 2: You were stress so kind of like I think the

827
00:34:58,624 --> 00:35:00,664
Speaker 2: knee was like a blessing in disguise. Yeah, because she

828
00:35:00,704 --> 00:35:02,864
Speaker 2: got toward that little pink top with like black pants,

829
00:35:03,304 --> 00:35:04,624
Speaker 2: the skirt looked so much better.

830
00:35:04,704 --> 00:35:06,184
Speaker 1: I don't mean to put her allegations. Do you think

831
00:35:06,224 --> 00:35:12,824
Speaker 1: it was like a Tanya Harding situation? Victoria Beckham paid

832
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:16,424
Speaker 1: someone to go and mess up that woman's knee pushed.

833
00:35:16,784 --> 00:35:19,664
Speaker 1: They pushed her off the bike. She didn't say what

834
00:35:19,704 --> 00:35:22,624
Speaker 1: happened on the David David running behind her.

835
00:35:23,264 --> 00:35:26,944
Speaker 2: He kicks watch you weren't in My wife show.

836
00:35:27,624 --> 00:35:31,024
Speaker 1: He's like, this is all my money. It's David and

837
00:35:31,104 --> 00:35:34,104
Speaker 1: her business. It's like they wanted him to kick a

838
00:35:34,144 --> 00:35:36,984
Speaker 1: football so badly that in the last scene, a football

839
00:35:37,064 --> 00:35:39,664
Speaker 1: just appears and they make it look like the neighbors

840
00:35:39,704 --> 00:35:42,024
Speaker 1: that neighbors kicked it over, but there's no neighbors around there.

841
00:35:44,064 --> 00:35:46,864
Speaker 1: This woman was riding her bike through Paris and David's

842
00:35:46,864 --> 00:35:48,664
Speaker 1: on the other side of the river and he just knocks.

843
00:35:48,464 --> 00:35:51,504
Speaker 2: The footballing for the documentary, Yeah, I've got my one job.

844
00:35:51,504 --> 00:35:52,304
Speaker 1: I had to kick this.

845
00:35:52,344 --> 00:35:52,984
Speaker 2: I need to kick this.

846
00:35:53,304 --> 00:35:54,784
Speaker 1: So they took that. So I just think there's a

847
00:35:54,784 --> 00:35:58,464
Speaker 1: lot of people from the Beckham team potentially missing documentary.

848
00:35:58,784 --> 00:36:01,344
Speaker 2: Oh, we have find them. But it's fine that model

849
00:36:01,344 --> 00:36:02,624
Speaker 2: didn't apologize she was.

850
00:36:02,664 --> 00:36:04,584
Speaker 1: Kicked by David Beckham. She's been through enough.

851
00:36:04,664 --> 00:36:06,624
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, what if we were doing like a

852
00:36:06,664 --> 00:36:09,344
Speaker 2: live podcast on stage and we would not be allowed

853
00:36:09,344 --> 00:36:11,704
Speaker 2: to do because we really every week and we'll say really,

854
00:36:11,744 --> 00:36:15,344
Speaker 2: with their cancer, we have like the whole week we've

855
00:36:15,344 --> 00:36:17,544
Speaker 2: known this. Yeah, we've been prepping for it. We've been

856
00:36:17,544 --> 00:36:20,664
Speaker 2: practicing some for it. The morning of the podcast, we

857
00:36:20,744 --> 00:36:22,424
Speaker 2: decide to enter a screaming competition.

858
00:36:24,064 --> 00:36:26,664
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like, let's just do this thing. We try

859
00:36:26,704 --> 00:36:28,704
Speaker 1: and recreate hot ones and just burn our vocal calls.

860
00:36:28,744 --> 00:36:31,184
Speaker 2: Then we come and then we call can't talk, so

861
00:36:31,184 --> 00:36:34,504
Speaker 2: we have to text you to be like hey, Manisha

862
00:36:34,584 --> 00:36:37,664
Speaker 2: a producer, So we don't have any vocal cords anymore,

863
00:36:37,744 --> 00:36:39,184
Speaker 2: so we can't talk.

864
00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:43,744
Speaker 1: And then we get Then we're like, hey, I love

865
00:36:43,744 --> 00:36:46,224
Speaker 1: how you give me this woman who's probably getting paid

866
00:36:46,224 --> 00:36:49,424
Speaker 1: like ten dollars for like a thirty hour work week,

867
00:36:49,944 --> 00:36:53,224
Speaker 1: tuned over two days, giving her this villain villain origin

868
00:36:53,344 --> 00:36:55,264
Speaker 1: story in the background. Yeah, who knew.

869
00:36:55,624 --> 00:36:56,904
Speaker 2: I don't know that it was gonna come out of me.

870
00:36:57,224 --> 00:36:59,224
Speaker 2: Well there, you forgot about that story aloud until you

871
00:36:59,264 --> 00:36:59,784
Speaker 2: brought it up.

872
00:37:00,104 --> 00:37:04,384
Speaker 1: Well, clearly you've been thinking about it a lot. The

873
00:37:04,464 --> 00:37:07,584
Speaker 1: other villain there, I'm gonna say, was anawin tour. At

874
00:37:07,664 --> 00:37:09,624
Speaker 1: least she kind of speaks her mind because she gets

875
00:37:09,624 --> 00:37:13,024
Speaker 1: there and she is you got two castles, David. Yeah, no, no,

876
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:15,304
Speaker 1: I'm going to say something about Anna Wintour. So when

877
00:37:15,304 --> 00:37:17,144
Speaker 1: she gets there, she's clearly not happy to be there,

878
00:37:17,504 --> 00:37:19,704
Speaker 1: and she makes it of a statement that every designer

879
00:37:19,704 --> 00:37:23,064
Speaker 1: thinks that their show is the show, and every designer

880
00:37:23,064 --> 00:37:25,304
Speaker 1: wants you to drive four hours to their castle and

881
00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:28,744
Speaker 1: the countryside, and that's important on Friday night exactly in

882
00:37:28,784 --> 00:37:31,104
Speaker 1: the pouring trentch Or rain and then make you walk

883
00:37:31,144 --> 00:37:34,024
Speaker 1: down six flights of crumbling stairs. She could have killed

884
00:37:34,024 --> 00:37:37,224
Speaker 1: Anna Wintour great for documentary views. Oh my god, she

885
00:37:37,304 --> 00:37:38,184
Speaker 1: nearly toppled over it.

886
00:37:38,104 --> 00:37:39,664
Speaker 2: And she's could have fallen on the model and she

887
00:37:39,664 --> 00:37:40,544
Speaker 2: would have scraped hard and.

888
00:37:40,584 --> 00:37:45,984
Speaker 1: Me taken out gig as well. Did Can you imagine Nicola,

889
00:37:46,624 --> 00:37:53,064
Speaker 1: they're all gone. Imagine that guy who's like sweeping the rain.

890
00:37:53,944 --> 00:37:55,744
Speaker 1: He doesn't know if the bodies is about to deal with.

891
00:37:57,944 --> 00:38:00,264
Speaker 1: So anyway, Anna Winto didn't die the show spoiler all

892
00:38:00,264 --> 00:38:02,904
Speaker 1: that Freddie who was the documentary. But she does sort

893
00:38:02,944 --> 00:38:06,304
Speaker 1: of say that like for her and her colleagues, they're

894
00:38:06,344 --> 00:38:08,944
Speaker 1: doing like all the fashion week circuits and so by

895
00:38:08,944 --> 00:38:12,184
Speaker 1: this to work there tie, yeah, they have gone to

896
00:38:12,184 --> 00:38:14,624
Speaker 1: so many venues and shows and travel or they just

897
00:38:14,624 --> 00:38:15,904
Speaker 1: want to see the clothes and get out of there.

898
00:38:15,944 --> 00:38:17,744
Speaker 1: And she didn't want to drive to a castle and

899
00:38:17,784 --> 00:38:19,824
Speaker 1: then she's angry about the rain, and so she says

900
00:38:19,864 --> 00:38:23,184
Speaker 1: that Victoria is facing a crowd that's not very happy

901
00:38:23,184 --> 00:38:25,384
Speaker 1: with her, yeah, which I think she's kind of doing

902
00:38:25,424 --> 00:38:27,624
Speaker 1: that to set the scenes.

903
00:38:27,384 --> 00:38:29,464
Speaker 2: And be like, I'm not happy with her that too.

904
00:38:29,504 --> 00:38:30,984
Speaker 1: But I think she's setting the scene a little bit

905
00:38:31,104 --> 00:38:34,024
Speaker 1: so that when the show is received well, it's kind

906
00:38:34,024 --> 00:38:36,464
Speaker 1: of like even more important because she had more obstacles

907
00:38:36,464 --> 00:38:37,264
Speaker 1: stacked against her.

908
00:38:37,424 --> 00:38:39,784
Speaker 2: The funny thing is is that everyone in the team

909
00:38:39,904 --> 00:38:42,424
Speaker 2: is way way more nervous about Anna Winter than they

910
00:38:42,424 --> 00:38:46,024
Speaker 2: are about Victoria. Like when Anna Winters trying to make

911
00:38:46,064 --> 00:38:48,624
Speaker 2: a joke where I think one of the systems comes

912
00:38:48,624 --> 00:38:49,904
Speaker 2: to her and be like, oh, we have to seat

913
00:38:49,984 --> 00:38:52,224
Speaker 2: you at the other castle, and she's like to David,

914
00:38:52,384 --> 00:38:53,544
Speaker 2: oh you have two castles.

915
00:38:53,744 --> 00:38:55,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just ignores her.

916
00:38:55,584 --> 00:38:58,464
Speaker 2: And then she's coming down the slippery steps and she's like, oh,

917
00:38:58,504 --> 00:39:00,744
Speaker 2: it's a bit wet over here, and they just fully are.

918
00:39:00,624 --> 00:39:02,824
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah. They're like if we just don't mention it,

919
00:39:02,864 --> 00:39:04,584
Speaker 1: she won't pick it up. But then she's sitting with

920
00:39:04,664 --> 00:39:06,944
Speaker 1: David at the show. Here's my thing, I don't know

921
00:39:07,024 --> 00:39:10,864
Speaker 1: if Anna Wintle liked the clothes because she really say,

922
00:39:10,944 --> 00:39:13,504
Speaker 1: but you know what she did like sitting next to David,

923
00:39:14,304 --> 00:39:15,704
Speaker 1: she was having the time of her.

924
00:39:15,984 --> 00:39:19,144
Speaker 2: Body was turned towards him. She wasn't even looking at it.

925
00:39:19,144 --> 00:39:21,344
Speaker 1: He was putting on a show. He had one job

926
00:39:21,344 --> 00:39:24,544
Speaker 1: that night. He's ignoring his children and various sexual partners.

927
00:39:24,544 --> 00:39:26,744
Speaker 1: Sitting next to her. He's like, I'm not dealing with

928
00:39:26,784 --> 00:39:29,664
Speaker 1: that right now, And he was focusing all his attention

929
00:39:29,744 --> 00:39:31,664
Speaker 1: on Anna. And I think that David Beckham can be

930
00:39:31,704 --> 00:39:32,464
Speaker 1: quite a charming man.

931
00:39:33,224 --> 00:39:35,024
Speaker 2: That's what I would do. Have a dinner with.

932
00:39:35,104 --> 00:39:36,784
Speaker 1: David can be saying the whole and he was.

933
00:39:36,784 --> 00:39:38,984
Speaker 2: You could think he's the type of person that will

934
00:39:39,024 --> 00:39:42,464
Speaker 2: make no matter who he's like with, feels so so comfortable,

935
00:39:42,544 --> 00:39:44,504
Speaker 2: even if it's like going out of his debt to

936
00:39:44,584 --> 00:39:45,744
Speaker 2: do so, like he would do that.

937
00:39:46,264 --> 00:39:48,104
Speaker 1: But I also think he was protecting. I'm just saying

938
00:39:48,104 --> 00:39:50,264
Speaker 1: he doesn't like Anna Wintour. They've been pictured together a lot.

939
00:39:50,384 --> 00:39:52,104
Speaker 1: They're in with the royal family, they're in with like

940
00:39:52,104 --> 00:39:54,304
Speaker 1: the crowd in London and New York, the fashion crowd,

941
00:39:54,344 --> 00:39:56,624
Speaker 1: like they're in it together. So I'm sure that he

942
00:39:56,664 --> 00:39:58,944
Speaker 1: does like her, but I also think he was protecting

943
00:39:58,984 --> 00:40:02,104
Speaker 1: his investment because he was like, the better time she has,

944
00:40:02,544 --> 00:40:04,144
Speaker 1: the better she's going to like these clothes because she's

945
00:40:04,144 --> 00:40:05,904
Speaker 1: already upset that she had to drive and she's rained

946
00:40:05,944 --> 00:40:08,824
Speaker 1: on and so he is like doing almost a stand

947
00:40:08,904 --> 00:40:11,024
Speaker 1: up comedy routine. If you look at the shots in

948
00:40:11,024 --> 00:40:13,464
Speaker 1: the background, he's telling her jokes, he's got his hands

949
00:40:13,504 --> 00:40:15,664
Speaker 1: in the air, he's smiling at her, he's leaning in.

950
00:40:15,784 --> 00:40:17,584
Speaker 1: She's not even looking at the clothes, just looking at

951
00:40:17,664 --> 00:40:19,864
Speaker 1: David Beckham's face. Yeah, and that's why I think she

952
00:40:19,984 --> 00:40:24,064
Speaker 1: likes the collection. He did his job because she had

953
00:40:24,144 --> 00:40:25,824
Speaker 1: a wonderful time. So then there's that moment at the

954
00:40:25,904 --> 00:40:28,464
Speaker 1: end where you probably cried again where they're all like

955
00:40:28,704 --> 00:40:31,824
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and celebrating and hugging Victoria. She looks

956
00:40:31,864 --> 00:40:34,504
Speaker 1: like she's about to cry because she's finally a success.

957
00:40:34,704 --> 00:40:35,104
Speaker 2: Yeah.

958
00:40:36,064 --> 00:40:38,304
Speaker 1: Cry Well, what's making her the money is actually her

959
00:40:38,344 --> 00:40:40,304
Speaker 1: beauty brand, which I thought was interesting, was kind of

960
00:40:40,344 --> 00:40:41,544
Speaker 1: just touched on, but then skatering.

961
00:40:41,704 --> 00:40:44,224
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about her beauty brand quite a few

962
00:40:44,264 --> 00:40:46,584
Speaker 2: times on the Spill, mainly because she does like the

963
00:40:46,784 --> 00:40:49,384
Speaker 2: piece to camera videos with David Beckham in the bed

964
00:40:49,384 --> 00:40:52,424
Speaker 2: behind her. Very good marketing, great mark. If anything, she's

965
00:40:52,504 --> 00:40:55,664
Speaker 2: great at marketing. She knows what she's doing. Oh yeah, yeah,

966
00:40:55,704 --> 00:40:57,544
Speaker 2: it was just the beauty brand. The whole thing was

967
00:40:57,584 --> 00:40:59,304
Speaker 2: just really interesting because it's just like and we have

968
00:40:59,344 --> 00:40:59,864
Speaker 2: this as well.

969
00:41:00,584 --> 00:41:03,624
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was giving people like a more affordable

970
00:41:03,824 --> 00:41:06,424
Speaker 1: touch point and also the fact that she was able

971
00:41:06,504 --> 00:41:09,024
Speaker 1: to market through her own social videos and that was

972
00:41:09,024 --> 00:41:11,584
Speaker 1: a big time. When Victoria Beckhams started going live and

973
00:41:11,584 --> 00:41:14,824
Speaker 1: started doing makeup tutorial we never saw her otherwise, Yeah, exactly.

974
00:41:14,944 --> 00:41:16,704
Speaker 1: It was like the only time she allowed herself to

975
00:41:16,704 --> 00:41:18,464
Speaker 1: be like a little less curated.

976
00:41:18,584 --> 00:41:19,064
Speaker 2: Yeah.

977
00:41:19,224 --> 00:41:21,624
Speaker 1: I do feel like she was being very reserved in

978
00:41:21,624 --> 00:41:23,824
Speaker 1: front of the camera through the whole documentary and that

979
00:41:23,864 --> 00:41:26,864
Speaker 1: they were trying so hard to like to make it

980
00:41:26,904 --> 00:41:29,224
Speaker 1: seem like you were seeing the real Victoria. Yeah, but

981
00:41:29,224 --> 00:41:30,944
Speaker 1: I don't even think she knows what that is anymore.

982
00:41:31,784 --> 00:41:34,664
Speaker 1: I think she's so she's been scrutinized for so long,

983
00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:35,184
Speaker 1: she's been.

984
00:41:35,064 --> 00:41:37,464
Speaker 2: Playing she's like kind of like this I'm home with

985
00:41:37,504 --> 00:41:38,384
Speaker 2: her family.

986
00:41:38,784 --> 00:41:41,384
Speaker 1: To an extent, like she's very kind of I don't know,

987
00:41:41,464 --> 00:41:43,424
Speaker 1: it's hard to say because this little stiffens now, but

988
00:41:43,464 --> 00:41:46,504
Speaker 1: there are like clips of her like on other reality

989
00:41:46,544 --> 00:41:49,344
Speaker 1: shows or behind the scenes footage and things from like

990
00:41:49,584 --> 00:41:51,824
Speaker 1: the last twenty years where she is a lot more

991
00:41:52,304 --> 00:41:54,824
Speaker 1: outspoken and a lot less kind of like a lady

992
00:41:54,824 --> 00:41:55,304
Speaker 1: of the manner.

993
00:41:56,424 --> 00:41:58,504
Speaker 2: No matter what, every time he talks about her, he

994
00:41:58,584 --> 00:42:01,384
Speaker 2: always like hones in on, like how funny and smiley

995
00:42:01,424 --> 00:42:02,984
Speaker 2: and laughing and goofy she is.

996
00:42:03,144 --> 00:42:04,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure that's all true. I get it

997
00:42:04,944 --> 00:42:06,904
Speaker 1: doesn't go with her kind of persona. There's a viral

998
00:42:06,944 --> 00:42:08,744
Speaker 1: clip that was going around where she was filming for

999
00:42:08,784 --> 00:42:12,064
Speaker 1: something and with her when they were doing like she's

1000
00:42:12,104 --> 00:42:13,624
Speaker 1: just like sitting up on the kitchen bench, like she's

1001
00:42:13,664 --> 00:42:15,464
Speaker 1: got makeup on, but she's not all done up. They

1002
00:42:15,464 --> 00:42:17,104
Speaker 1: were talking about people they wouldn't want to come to

1003
00:42:17,144 --> 00:42:19,984
Speaker 1: a dinner party, and the person says Eddie Murphy, and

1004
00:42:20,024 --> 00:42:21,744
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, because you know, Eddie Murphy did that

1005
00:42:21,864 --> 00:42:24,824
Speaker 1: terrible stuff to Melby and wouldn't admit that the baby

1006
00:42:24,864 --> 00:42:27,144
Speaker 1: that she had was his Nancy Attorney test and he

1007
00:42:27,184 --> 00:42:28,664
Speaker 1: was saying he didn't date her, but he did date

1008
00:42:28,704 --> 00:42:31,344
Speaker 1: her all these things, and Victoria Beckham's like, oh, I

1009
00:42:31,344 --> 00:42:33,024
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to hear. I'd punch him in the face,

1010
00:42:33,024 --> 00:42:35,184
Speaker 1: like cut his dick off. All this sort of stuff,

1011
00:42:35,184 --> 00:42:38,024
Speaker 1: and I was like, where's that Victoria Beckham's That's how

1012
00:42:38,064 --> 00:42:41,504
Speaker 1: she talks to her friend. For sure, Gloria is a

1013
00:42:41,504 --> 00:42:43,664
Speaker 1: good time from what we've seen. She's not hanging out

1014
00:42:43,704 --> 00:42:47,064
Speaker 1: with a boring person. So Victoria Beckham must be fun.

1015
00:42:47,504 --> 00:42:48,704
Speaker 1: It's just that she's not well.

1016
00:42:48,784 --> 00:42:51,144
Speaker 2: David says she's wrong. It's funny because he always says

1017
00:42:51,144 --> 00:42:52,744
Speaker 2: she's fun, and she never says it about herself.

1018
00:42:53,664 --> 00:42:55,544
Speaker 1: She just says that she's kind of She's like.

1019
00:42:55,504 --> 00:42:57,264
Speaker 2: I smile, guys, you just don't see it.

1020
00:42:59,104 --> 00:43:01,824
Speaker 1: What did you think about how she talked about her

1021
00:43:01,824 --> 00:43:05,384
Speaker 1: eating disorders and her body in the documentary because I

1022
00:43:05,384 --> 00:43:07,904
Speaker 1: was a little conflicted about all that. Oh were you well?

1023
00:43:07,944 --> 00:43:10,744
Speaker 1: I just think, like I know that she was really

1024
00:43:10,784 --> 00:43:13,264
Speaker 1: raped over the calls, as she's saying, from a young age,

1025
00:43:13,264 --> 00:43:15,384
Speaker 1: like in dancing school she was told that she was

1026
00:43:15,784 --> 00:43:17,424
Speaker 1: too big to be a dancer. And then I think

1027
00:43:17,464 --> 00:43:19,464
Speaker 1: when she was first like getting into the Spice Girls,

1028
00:43:19,544 --> 00:43:22,184
Speaker 1: because she would also wear the little Gucci dresses, people

1029
00:43:22,184 --> 00:43:24,624
Speaker 1: would really pick her body apart if she didn't look perfect,

1030
00:43:24,704 --> 00:43:25,424
Speaker 1: And so she.

1031
00:43:25,464 --> 00:43:26,904
Speaker 2: Was also pregnant during that.

1032
00:43:27,024 --> 00:43:29,144
Speaker 1: Yes, as real, she got smaller and smaller, and then

1033
00:43:29,184 --> 00:43:31,624
Speaker 1: she was weighth on TV after she gave birth to Brooklyn.

1034
00:43:31,744 --> 00:43:34,344
Speaker 1: That was all awful, but at the same time, it's

1035
00:43:34,384 --> 00:43:38,184
Speaker 1: just hard because she's both a victim of this toxic

1036
00:43:38,264 --> 00:43:41,744
Speaker 1: diet culture and these terrible expectations and a perpetrator of it.

1037
00:43:41,664 --> 00:43:42,864
Speaker 2: Through her fashion line.

1038
00:43:42,704 --> 00:43:45,304
Speaker 1: Through her fashion line, through the way she speaks through

1039
00:43:45,504 --> 00:43:49,064
Speaker 1: just it's like she's very complicit in that smaller so

1040
00:43:49,184 --> 00:43:51,024
Speaker 1: much better. And I think she wanted to sort of

1041
00:43:51,064 --> 00:43:53,424
Speaker 1: say like, hey, guys, I went through this, and it's like, yes,

1042
00:43:53,464 --> 00:43:55,744
Speaker 1: we know, but I don't know. But the thing is,

1043
00:43:55,784 --> 00:43:58,664
Speaker 1: she used to completely deny it. She used to complete

1044
00:43:58,704 --> 00:44:01,384
Speaker 1: wish again. I understand, because you're having a whole life dissector.

1045
00:44:01,424 --> 00:44:03,224
Speaker 1: There's things happening behind the scenes, and you're and you're

1046
00:44:03,264 --> 00:44:05,744
Speaker 1: so much younger, Like you know, when you're in your fifties,

1047
00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:07,664
Speaker 1: you would be able to say you have more clarity

1048
00:44:07,704 --> 00:44:10,144
Speaker 1: and I think more strengthen when you do in your twenties.

1049
00:44:10,664 --> 00:44:13,544
Speaker 1: But she always used to deny that she had anythings,

1050
00:44:13,544 --> 00:44:15,704
Speaker 1: she's any kind of eating disorder. She also used to

1051
00:44:15,744 --> 00:44:17,344
Speaker 1: say that she ate a lot of people just didn't

1052
00:44:17,384 --> 00:44:20,624
Speaker 1: see it. And there was that time when remember David

1053
00:44:20,624 --> 00:44:22,824
Speaker 1: Beckham were on a food podcast and he was talking

1054
00:44:22,824 --> 00:44:24,584
Speaker 1: about how much he loves to go out for dinners

1055
00:44:24,584 --> 00:44:26,544
Speaker 1: and things, and he's like, it's one of the greatest

1056
00:44:26,584 --> 00:44:28,824
Speaker 1: sadnesses of my life that I want to have dinner

1057
00:44:28,864 --> 00:44:31,144
Speaker 1: with Victoria or share food with her and she doesn't eat.

1058
00:44:31,624 --> 00:44:35,264
Speaker 1: And it became like worldwide news because the stance from

1059
00:44:35,264 --> 00:44:37,144
Speaker 1: the beck and camp had always been like she eats

1060
00:44:37,144 --> 00:44:38,984
Speaker 1: so much, how dare you? So it was the first

1061
00:44:39,024 --> 00:44:41,704
Speaker 1: time they had alluded to anything like that, and even

1062
00:44:41,744 --> 00:44:44,184
Speaker 1: the documentary. I thought it was interesting that he said

1063
00:44:44,224 --> 00:44:45,624
Speaker 1: to her as they were going out to that dinner,

1064
00:44:45,864 --> 00:44:47,784
Speaker 1: do you want a chocolate? And he pulls a chocolate out.

1065
00:44:47,624 --> 00:44:50,304
Speaker 2: And she's like that chopp in twenty years yeah, which

1066
00:44:50,344 --> 00:44:51,704
Speaker 2: is insane.

1067
00:44:51,224 --> 00:44:54,144
Speaker 1: Again, because how do you avoid that? Well, sometimes I

1068
00:44:54,144 --> 00:44:54,944
Speaker 1: have chocolate accident.

1069
00:44:56,104 --> 00:44:56,984
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how they have.

1070
00:44:58,544 --> 00:45:00,024
Speaker 1: It's just in the well, we have some pretty good

1071
00:45:00,024 --> 00:45:03,664
Speaker 1: snack draws. It's like sleepwalking, Yeah, you eat some chocolate.

1072
00:45:04,224 --> 00:45:06,384
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think she was trying to sort

1073
00:45:06,384 --> 00:45:08,304
Speaker 1: of It's like the curtain's fallen a little bit and

1074
00:45:08,304 --> 00:45:09,824
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm going to let you guys see how

1075
00:45:09,824 --> 00:45:13,184
Speaker 1: I actually in real life, which is that I don't eat, Yeah,

1076
00:45:13,384 --> 00:45:15,544
Speaker 1: because that's always been the kind of stance there.

1077
00:45:16,224 --> 00:45:17,824
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a bit uncomfortable.

1078
00:45:17,944 --> 00:45:20,864
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just maybe wish they delved a little more

1079
00:45:20,864 --> 00:45:21,744
Speaker 1: into it.

1080
00:45:21,744 --> 00:45:25,384
Speaker 2: But like she drinks, yeah, which I like. I feel like,

1081
00:45:25,744 --> 00:45:28,104
Speaker 2: I feel like a bit uncomfortable where it's like seeing

1082
00:45:28,104 --> 00:45:33,344
Speaker 2: her consume like alcohol quite consistently, yeah, like casually, like

1083
00:45:33,664 --> 00:45:36,824
Speaker 2: out at events and stuff, but like never ever seeing

1084
00:45:36,904 --> 00:45:39,304
Speaker 2: any food around her. I feel like. But I don't

1085
00:45:39,304 --> 00:45:40,664
Speaker 2: know if that was like telling like they did that

1086
00:45:40,704 --> 00:45:41,264
Speaker 2: on purpose.

1087
00:45:41,704 --> 00:45:43,344
Speaker 1: It's more that I just wish they had kind of

1088
00:45:43,384 --> 00:45:45,184
Speaker 1: delved into it a little bit more. So, I'm like,

1089
00:45:45,184 --> 00:45:47,264
Speaker 1: if you're going to acknowledge it in a way, and

1090
00:45:47,304 --> 00:45:50,384
Speaker 1: obviously there's so much more to the story, maybe say

1091
00:45:50,424 --> 00:45:53,624
Speaker 1: it a bit more and also talk a little bit

1092
00:45:53,664 --> 00:45:57,024
Speaker 1: about how now, with your brands and the persona you

1093
00:45:57,024 --> 00:45:59,144
Speaker 1: put out and the models you choose and the photos

1094
00:45:59,144 --> 00:46:01,104
Speaker 1: you choose and the products that you work with and

1095
00:46:01,104 --> 00:46:03,624
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff, that you are keeping this

1096
00:46:03,664 --> 00:46:07,824
Speaker 1: tradition of thin only thin is best, everyone must not eat.

1097
00:46:08,384 --> 00:46:10,864
Speaker 1: You're keeping that going even though you're talking about how

1098
00:46:10,904 --> 00:46:13,024
Speaker 1: damaging it is. And then she was saying, like, but

1099
00:46:13,104 --> 00:46:14,784
Speaker 1: I don't like harperceny of that because I don't want

1100
00:46:14,824 --> 00:46:16,304
Speaker 1: her to grow up like that, which I think is

1101
00:46:16,344 --> 00:46:18,664
Speaker 1: super important. And that's why I think when she's got

1102
00:46:18,704 --> 00:46:21,224
Speaker 1: the Victoria Beckham dress on and she's trying on for

1103
00:46:21,264 --> 00:46:24,304
Speaker 1: the event, for the runway, you can just see Victoria

1104
00:46:24,344 --> 00:46:26,424
Speaker 1: going it only matters if you're comfortable. If only matters

1105
00:46:26,424 --> 00:46:28,824
Speaker 1: if you're comfortable. Yeah, And I just don't thinking about

1106
00:46:28,864 --> 00:46:31,344
Speaker 1: how eating disorders get passed between families. I'm just like,

1107
00:46:31,584 --> 00:46:33,304
Speaker 1: is that what you're saying behind the scenes. I don't know.

1108
00:46:33,704 --> 00:46:34,624
Speaker 1: I didn't get enough. Well.

1109
00:46:34,664 --> 00:46:37,104
Speaker 2: I mean, like Harper will watch this, yeah, so it's

1110
00:46:37,144 --> 00:46:38,064
Speaker 2: like she will see.

1111
00:46:37,904 --> 00:46:39,704
Speaker 1: It, but also she would have seen it, like she's

1112
00:46:39,704 --> 00:46:41,944
Speaker 1: got off with it being her mother, like if she's

1113
00:46:42,184 --> 00:46:43,904
Speaker 1: she still has an eating disorder or something like, we

1114
00:46:43,944 --> 00:46:45,744
Speaker 1: just don't know, but like if it's in the house,

1115
00:46:45,784 --> 00:46:47,984
Speaker 1: then you're going to see it. I just I don't know.

1116
00:46:48,024 --> 00:46:50,344
Speaker 1: I feel like Victoria Beckham for so long was like

1117
00:46:50,704 --> 00:46:52,784
Speaker 1: the face of this movement of skinny is Best, and

1118
00:46:52,784 --> 00:46:54,304
Speaker 1: then she was the face of like this is what

1119
00:46:54,424 --> 00:46:56,464
Speaker 1: we do to women in the public eye and all

1120
00:46:56,464 --> 00:46:58,624
Speaker 1: these things. Like she's been that for over thirty years.

1121
00:46:58,664 --> 00:47:00,144
Speaker 1: I just wish they would have touched on that a

1122
00:47:00,144 --> 00:47:00,504
Speaker 1: bit more.

1123
00:47:00,584 --> 00:47:02,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, so should be like is she meant to like

1124
00:47:02,984 --> 00:47:03,824
Speaker 2: pick aside?

1125
00:47:04,024 --> 00:47:05,544
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want her to pick a side,

1126
00:47:05,624 --> 00:47:07,344
Speaker 1: And I also don't want her to say like because

1127
00:47:07,344 --> 00:47:07,864
Speaker 1: I agree.

1128
00:47:07,944 --> 00:47:09,784
Speaker 2: I think what she's doing is like she's being very

1129
00:47:09,784 --> 00:47:12,904
Speaker 2: careful of like not trying to sound like a hypocrite.

1130
00:47:13,744 --> 00:47:17,904
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because like the eating disorder, Like when

1131
00:47:17,944 --> 00:47:20,144
Speaker 2: she was talking about the eating disorder, it sounded like

1132
00:47:20,384 --> 00:47:22,584
Speaker 2: so horrific what she went through and like what the

1133
00:47:22,624 --> 00:47:25,264
Speaker 2: public was saying about her and her body and stuff

1134
00:47:25,304 --> 00:47:29,504
Speaker 2: like that. But I think it's also really hard to

1135
00:47:29,624 --> 00:47:32,024
Speaker 2: talk about it like that but while you're still also

1136
00:47:32,344 --> 00:47:33,344
Speaker 2: probably going through it.

1137
00:47:33,744 --> 00:47:35,504
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Like that's I mean, I feel like she's

1138
00:47:35,504 --> 00:47:37,344
Speaker 1: still really in the throes of it, but she wouldn't

1139
00:47:37,344 --> 00:47:38,864
Speaker 1: say that, Yeah because.

1140
00:47:38,624 --> 00:47:40,784
Speaker 2: Becau doesn't that Also, like it just like adds another

1141
00:47:40,864 --> 00:47:41,544
Speaker 2: layer of damage.

1142
00:47:41,624 --> 00:47:43,584
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It doesn't also fit with the message of

1143
00:47:43,584 --> 00:47:45,344
Speaker 1: the documentary was like it's meant to be like this

1144
00:47:45,424 --> 00:47:48,304
Speaker 1: fairy tale ending, like look at her. Everything's great now,

1145
00:47:48,584 --> 00:47:51,824
Speaker 1: she's a successful business, great family, she's so healthy and happy.

1146
00:47:51,864 --> 00:47:54,224
Speaker 1: Everyone loves her. Like that were really trying to hit

1147
00:47:54,224 --> 00:47:56,744
Speaker 1: you over the head with that message, and so talking

1148
00:47:56,784 --> 00:47:59,744
Speaker 1: about the fact that she might still have an eating disorder. Again,

1149
00:47:59,784 --> 00:48:01,224
Speaker 1: we don't know, but we're just kind of going off

1150
00:48:01,224 --> 00:48:03,544
Speaker 1: things that she says in the documentary, all the fact

1151
00:48:03,624 --> 00:48:07,544
Speaker 1: that she really perpetrates that idea in fashion and beauty

1152
00:48:07,584 --> 00:48:10,504
Speaker 1: that Thinness is best because of her fashion line not

1153
00:48:10,544 --> 00:48:13,664
Speaker 1: being sized inclusive, and her the models she's choosing, and

1154
00:48:13,744 --> 00:48:17,024
Speaker 1: just just everything about it. I'm not expecting Victoria Beckham

1155
00:48:17,024 --> 00:48:19,424
Speaker 1: to fix that problem, but she's only one person, one rich,

1156
00:48:19,464 --> 00:48:21,264
Speaker 1: powerful person. But I just felt like it was a

1157
00:48:21,264 --> 00:48:23,664
Speaker 1: bit of a missed opportunity. And I think it's because

1158
00:48:23,704 --> 00:48:26,584
Speaker 1: the documentary is from her and she got to pick everything,

1159
00:48:26,624 --> 00:48:28,944
Speaker 1: and I would have loved to see what a documentary

1160
00:48:28,944 --> 00:48:31,744
Speaker 1: maker who could come in and just tell the story

1161
00:48:31,784 --> 00:48:34,664
Speaker 1: as a third party with.

1162
00:48:34,624 --> 00:48:38,824
Speaker 2: Like most celebrity documentaries where they are like the creator,

1163
00:48:38,864 --> 00:48:42,024
Speaker 2: the producer, the direct Like it's doesn't feel like it's

1164
00:48:42,064 --> 00:48:44,864
Speaker 2: not true, right, Yeah, but I think it feels you're

1165
00:48:44,864 --> 00:48:46,424
Speaker 2: just watching like a movie exactly.

1166
00:48:46,424 --> 00:48:47,624
Speaker 1: But I think that's going back to what we were

1167
00:48:47,624 --> 00:48:49,344
Speaker 1: saying at the top of the episode, is like you've

1168
00:48:49,344 --> 00:48:51,984
Speaker 1: got to watch it in just the spirit it was intended. Yeah,

1169
00:48:52,024 --> 00:48:54,904
Speaker 1: And the spirit it's intended is that it's meant to

1170
00:48:54,904 --> 00:48:58,104
Speaker 1: be how Victoria Beckham wants us to see her, the

1171
00:48:58,144 --> 00:49:00,904
Speaker 1: same way Miss Americana was about how Taylor Swift wants

1172
00:49:00,984 --> 00:49:03,864
Speaker 1: us to see her and all these other famous people

1173
00:49:03,864 --> 00:49:06,744
Speaker 1: who put out documentaries and it's like they're doing an

1174
00:49:06,784 --> 00:49:09,544
Speaker 1: Instagram dump. It's a snapshot of how they want to

1175
00:49:09,584 --> 00:49:12,624
Speaker 1: be seen and a curation of their lives. And it's

1176
00:49:12,624 --> 00:49:14,064
Speaker 1: a highlights reel. That's what it is.

1177
00:49:14,104 --> 00:49:14,424
Speaker 2: It is.

1178
00:49:14,984 --> 00:49:17,584
Speaker 1: It's a highlights reel with a few, like when you're

1179
00:49:17,624 --> 00:49:20,104
Speaker 1: doing an Instagram dump, you always like to put a

1180
00:49:20,144 --> 00:49:23,344
Speaker 1: few like out of focus shots in there to show

1181
00:49:23,344 --> 00:49:23,824
Speaker 1: that you're real.

1182
00:49:23,864 --> 00:49:26,264
Speaker 2: It's a great description.

1183
00:49:27,584 --> 00:49:29,784
Speaker 1: With your glossy shot a real girl. Yeah, to show

1184
00:49:29,784 --> 00:49:31,144
Speaker 1: that you're a real girl. I think that's what the

1185
00:49:31,184 --> 00:49:32,864
Speaker 1: slubs do. They put a few messy moments and.

1186
00:49:32,864 --> 00:49:33,704
Speaker 2: They learned from the best.

1187
00:49:33,784 --> 00:49:36,624
Speaker 1: They need to get you in there to actually exactly

1188
00:49:36,744 --> 00:49:38,784
Speaker 1: let me direct this on the final point. So we

1189
00:49:39,224 --> 00:49:42,744
Speaker 1: end the documentary with David and Victoria in their expansive ground.

1190
00:49:42,864 --> 00:49:46,184
Speaker 2: I found that really funny. Did you why well explain

1191
00:49:46,184 --> 00:49:47,144
Speaker 2: the grounds? Explain the ground?

1192
00:49:47,184 --> 00:49:49,744
Speaker 1: There are extensive grounds in their home and the Cotswals,

1193
00:49:50,824 --> 00:49:56,664
Speaker 1: Yeah palace different rid of Beckingham Palace. Beckingham Palace was

1194
00:49:56,744 --> 00:49:58,784
Speaker 1: the home that they bought when they were first got together.

1195
00:49:58,984 --> 00:49:59,704
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

1196
00:49:59,704 --> 00:50:01,264
Speaker 1: You know how David's talk about the fact that everyone

1197
00:50:01,264 --> 00:50:03,664
Speaker 1: in his family wanted him to marry like a Manchester

1198
00:50:03,944 --> 00:50:05,864
Speaker 1: and Manchester got non famous girl because I guess they

1199
00:50:05,864 --> 00:50:07,384
Speaker 1: wanted a woman who would just be a wife, and

1200
00:50:07,544 --> 00:50:09,664
Speaker 1: so he married like the most famous woman in the world.

1201
00:50:10,184 --> 00:50:12,024
Speaker 1: But but they were just in love. And then you

1202
00:50:12,064 --> 00:50:14,664
Speaker 1: had that scene where they're walking together and then I

1203
00:50:14,744 --> 00:50:16,984
Speaker 1: just feel like so much was cut out there. Yeah,

1204
00:50:17,024 --> 00:50:19,304
Speaker 1: because it's like they're walking together and he kicks the.

1205
00:50:19,224 --> 00:50:21,144
Speaker 2: Foot measure, we're seeing his big garden.

1206
00:50:21,344 --> 00:50:23,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was seeing his garden. He kicks the football

1207
00:50:23,224 --> 00:50:25,704
Speaker 1: to the fake neighbors, and then they're sitting down and

1208
00:50:25,704 --> 00:50:30,304
Speaker 1: it's like she has this breakdown to him, apologizing for taking.

1209
00:50:30,104 --> 00:50:31,904
Speaker 2: Him, a literal two minute breakdown.

1210
00:50:31,984 --> 00:50:33,384
Speaker 1: And then I was fine, what I felt like that

1211
00:50:33,464 --> 00:50:35,424
Speaker 1: must have been a leader or is she just that

1212
00:50:35,464 --> 00:50:37,584
Speaker 1: good of an actress and Spicy World lied to us

1213
00:50:37,904 --> 00:50:40,784
Speaker 1: she's a great actress. I don't know. I just I

1214
00:50:40,824 --> 00:50:41,344
Speaker 1: feel like.

1215
00:50:41,304 --> 00:50:44,104
Speaker 2: I thought it was quite interesting and the part that

1216
00:50:44,144 --> 00:50:47,144
Speaker 2: I laughed at is like when he was like questioning

1217
00:50:47,184 --> 00:50:48,744
Speaker 2: her and being like, why do you put so much

1218
00:50:48,784 --> 00:50:50,704
Speaker 2: pressure on yourself? Like who are you doing this for?

1219
00:50:51,024 --> 00:50:53,264
Speaker 2: And she's like, I'm doing it for you, And I

1220
00:50:53,264 --> 00:50:56,264
Speaker 2: can just imagine him going no, don't say that, Yeah.

1221
00:50:56,104 --> 00:50:57,384
Speaker 1: I'm doing it for you. It's like, you cost me

1222
00:50:57,424 --> 00:50:58,064
Speaker 1: so much money.

1223
00:50:58,104 --> 00:51:00,104
Speaker 2: It's like that makes me look like the bad guy.

1224
00:51:00,464 --> 00:51:02,424
Speaker 1: I think you're doing it for yourself. Well, that's the

1225
00:51:02,464 --> 00:51:03,784
Speaker 1: other question I want to ask you. A lot of

1226
00:51:03,824 --> 00:51:05,944
Speaker 1: people have come out of this thinking that David Beckham

1227
00:51:05,984 --> 00:51:08,624
Speaker 1: has come out of this badly, thinking that he's like

1228
00:51:08,624 --> 00:51:12,104
Speaker 1: a walking red flag and that he's not victorious team. Oh,

1229
00:51:12,544 --> 00:51:14,864
Speaker 1: that's the kind of insinuation there, that he's sort of

1230
00:51:14,944 --> 00:51:15,864
Speaker 1: working against her.

1231
00:51:16,464 --> 00:51:19,784
Speaker 2: I think he's on her team. I just don't think

1232
00:51:19,864 --> 00:51:23,024
Speaker 2: he really knows what team she's on. I think he's

1233
00:51:23,024 --> 00:51:25,144
Speaker 2: a bit confused. I think no one briefed.

1234
00:51:24,904 --> 00:51:27,584
Speaker 1: Him or on what the message of the doctor was.

1235
00:51:28,064 --> 00:51:30,784
Speaker 2: So he just came across weird. He's like, Harper's dress

1236
00:51:30,904 --> 00:51:33,424
Speaker 2: is too long. My parents wanted me to marry a

1237
00:51:33,424 --> 00:51:36,304
Speaker 2: Manchester girl. I didn't have any money, and yet I

1238
00:51:36,424 --> 00:51:39,424
Speaker 2: invested into this massive company now I was also part

1239
00:51:39,464 --> 00:51:42,384
Speaker 2: of this. Yeah, and then all of this was because

1240
00:51:42,424 --> 00:51:43,504
Speaker 2: she was doing it for me, you know, she was

1241
00:51:43,504 --> 00:51:43,824
Speaker 2: doing it.

1242
00:51:43,744 --> 00:51:45,424
Speaker 1: For a time. Yeah, He's like, we could have just

1243
00:51:45,424 --> 00:51:47,864
Speaker 1: been raising chickens and cooking. We've got so much money.

1244
00:51:47,944 --> 00:51:49,304
Speaker 2: He don't get that much airtime.

1245
00:51:51,784 --> 00:51:55,464
Speaker 1: He's had his go winter. Yeah, he's just there to

1246
00:51:55,464 --> 00:51:57,344
Speaker 1: be the eye candy fan of Winter. What a job.

1247
00:51:57,584 --> 00:51:59,384
Speaker 1: I thought it was quite romantic where he was like

1248
00:51:59,424 --> 00:52:01,944
Speaker 1: when we first got together, there's not one thing about

1249
00:52:01,944 --> 00:52:04,264
Speaker 1: her I didn't like. I loved every single thing he's like.

1250
00:52:04,264 --> 00:52:06,104
Speaker 1: Now there's a few things I don't like. Yeah, I

1251
00:52:06,144 --> 00:52:07,584
Speaker 1: was kind of kick something. You guys, it's a very

1252
00:52:07,624 --> 00:52:10,544
Speaker 1: married couple. Married couple. Yeah, oh no, we drank the cool.

1253
00:52:10,584 --> 00:52:12,064
Speaker 2: I don't think he's on her team.

1254
00:52:12,904 --> 00:52:13,184
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1255
00:52:13,304 --> 00:52:16,944
Speaker 2: I just think when people are fishing, oh really Yeah,

1256
00:52:16,984 --> 00:52:18,984
Speaker 2: come on, all she wants us to do is by

1257
00:52:18,984 --> 00:52:19,824
Speaker 2: a freaking lip right now?

1258
00:52:20,064 --> 00:52:22,344
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you're going to do so? Overall, I think

1259
00:52:22,384 --> 00:52:26,264
Speaker 1: it was an interesting look into Victoria Beckham's life, and honestly,

1260
00:52:26,304 --> 00:52:27,864
Speaker 1: I just want more of everything. I want more of

1261
00:52:27,904 --> 00:52:29,864
Speaker 1: her time with the Spice Girls. I want more of

1262
00:52:29,904 --> 00:52:30,784
Speaker 1: it when the Spice.

1263
00:52:30,544 --> 00:52:31,144
Speaker 2: Girls were in it.

1264
00:52:31,664 --> 00:52:34,184
Speaker 1: Yet a lot of people were saying her friends, what

1265
00:52:34,304 --> 00:52:37,464
Speaker 1: about when she says that the one thing that's really

1266
00:52:37,464 --> 00:52:39,504
Speaker 1: stuck with her, she's like one of the other girls,

1267
00:52:39,504 --> 00:52:42,024
Speaker 1: so referring to the Spice girls, said something to me

1268
00:52:42,104 --> 00:52:43,624
Speaker 1: that I won't let go. And then she goes it

1269
00:52:43,664 --> 00:52:46,864
Speaker 1: was Melby where She's like, don't forget where you came from.

1270
00:52:46,904 --> 00:52:48,704
Speaker 1: And Victoria's like, I've never forgotten.

1271
00:52:48,744 --> 00:52:50,504
Speaker 2: I've never forgotten where I've came from.

1272
00:52:50,784 --> 00:52:53,704
Speaker 1: Well, because that is what she said. Okay, now don't

1273
00:52:53,744 --> 00:52:54,424
Speaker 1: read into this.

1274
00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:57,824
Speaker 2: Okay, but she I'm not reading this my eyes closed.

1275
00:52:58,664 --> 00:53:01,504
Speaker 1: You're not reading your eyes are closed. Just accept this

1276
00:53:01,704 --> 00:53:05,224
Speaker 1: information with an open mind. Okay, we're not starting rumors, Okay,

1277
00:53:05,344 --> 00:53:07,984
Speaker 1: but I've open she said those things about Melby in

1278
00:53:08,024 --> 00:53:10,824
Speaker 1: the documentary. She has previously talked about the fact that

1279
00:53:10,864 --> 00:53:13,624
Speaker 1: she and Melby had a few run ins over the years.

1280
00:53:14,144 --> 00:53:15,224
Speaker 2: She had in a bad way.

1281
00:53:15,304 --> 00:53:17,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a bad way. Rememberhen they first got in

1282
00:53:17,224 --> 00:53:19,464
Speaker 1: the band together and Melby thought she was a stuck

1283
00:53:19,504 --> 00:53:23,904
Speaker 1: up cow. Oh yeah, but they've been friendsance anyway. Victoria

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Speaker 1: Beckham for this documentary just recently had a big premiere.

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Speaker 1: Jerry was there, Melsey was there, and the Bunton was

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Speaker 1: there and Melby was not there. You look so upset.

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Speaker 2: Wait, maybe because she lives in Australia and it took

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Speaker 2: too long together.

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Speaker 1: Lives in Australia. Well, she's touring at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Lived here.

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Speaker 1: No, she used to come over here and host everyone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so she can do it. Well, apparently she's overseas working somewhere.

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Speaker 1: But wait what, I'm just she invited. I'm sure she was.

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Speaker 1: All the girls were invited. I don't know that the

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Speaker 1: other girl who didn't make it story that do you

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Speaker 1: mean Michelle Steven?

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Speaker 2: Sorry Spice skull who Sorry Michelle.

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Speaker 1: She's been through so m If anyone does know Michelle,

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Speaker 1: she was the original girl picked for the Spice Skulls

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Speaker 1: and she dropped out before they became famous, it's.

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Speaker 2: Something about Michelle's and girls group, Michelle and Destiny Child.

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Speaker 1: Yeah Michelle, Yeah, poor Michelle. That's our new shorthand when

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Speaker 1: someone does something bad, poor Michelle. Look to be honest.

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Speaker 1: The Spice Skills have been through so much, and they

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Speaker 1: have been through every type of controversy, every kind of fight,

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Speaker 1: every kind of situation from like abusive husbands to like

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Speaker 1: infertility and like awful headlines about them and fight, So

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Speaker 1: that is what I'm saying. I'm sure they are going

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Speaker 1: to be fine. She either couldn't go because she was

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Speaker 1: working or they're in a spat, but they'll work it out.

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Speaker 1: That the Spice girls always work it out. They do.

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Speaker 1: I stand by the moral of the story.

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Speaker 2: Always work it out.

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Speaker 1: They really really do. So overall, I thought it was

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Speaker 1: an interesting look into Victoria Beckham's life. I just wanted more,

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Speaker 1: but maybe I'll just receive the message that she wanted to.

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Speaker 2: I feel like if we go out and buy some

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Speaker 2: makeup together, we'll be into it.

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Speaker 1: We'll feel better. Stay tuned. From a review of Victoria

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Speaker 1: Beckham over maybe Well.

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