1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:24,134 Speaker 1: is recorded on. Hey, I'm table Strano. This is Mumma 4 00:00:24,134 --> 00:00:28,094 Speaker 1: MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. By now, you've 5 00:00:28,094 --> 00:00:31,654 Speaker 1: probably seen the news about some Ossie sunscreens not performing 6 00:00:31,734 --> 00:00:34,934 Speaker 1: as promised. But what happens to the bottle sitting in 7 00:00:34,974 --> 00:00:37,134 Speaker 1: your bathroom cabinet? Plus? 8 00:00:37,254 --> 00:00:38,294 Speaker 2: Do you use AI? 9 00:00:38,974 --> 00:00:42,654 Speaker 1: Would you ever consider using chat GPT for therapy? Turns 10 00:00:42,654 --> 00:00:45,774 Speaker 1: out more and more people are doing just that. Before 11 00:00:45,814 --> 00:00:48,494 Speaker 1: we get there, here's Tarlie Blackman with the latest from 12 00:00:48,494 --> 00:00:51,494 Speaker 1: the QUICKI newsroom for Friday, June twenty seven. 13 00:00:52,014 --> 00:00:56,734 Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. Iran's supreme leader, Aliyah Homine says Iran struck 14 00:00:56,774 --> 00:00:59,734 Speaker 3: a US bass in Qatar and warrant a further attacks 15 00:00:59,814 --> 00:01:03,374 Speaker 3: if provoked. He called the strike a slap to America's face. 16 00:01:03,494 --> 00:01:06,134 Speaker 3: In a video message broadcast after a cease far with 17 00:01:06,214 --> 00:01:09,574 Speaker 3: Israel ended twelve days of fighting, Homone said the the 18 00:01:09,694 --> 00:01:13,494 Speaker 3: US entered the conflict to prevent Israel's defeat and gained nothing. 19 00:01:13,734 --> 00:01:16,694 Speaker 3: He dismissed President Donald Trump's claim that U S strikes 20 00:01:16,734 --> 00:01:21,134 Speaker 3: had destroyed Iran's nuclear program, calling it exaggerated. The UN 21 00:01:21,214 --> 00:01:25,454 Speaker 3: Nuclear watchdog Raphael Grossi said the damage to Iranian facilities 22 00:01:25,574 --> 00:01:29,814 Speaker 3: was very considerable. Iran's foreign ministry also confirmed key sites 23 00:01:29,854 --> 00:01:32,494 Speaker 3: were badly damaged. The U S says talks with Iran 24 00:01:32,574 --> 00:01:36,414 Speaker 3: could begin soon. Iran has not confirmed. Over six hundred 25 00:01:36,454 --> 00:01:39,574 Speaker 3: people were reported killed in Iran during the conflict, and 26 00:01:39,614 --> 00:01:42,134 Speaker 3: a riot's group says the toll is over one thousand, 27 00:01:42,414 --> 00:01:46,934 Speaker 3: including hundreds of civilians. Closing arguments are underway in the 28 00:01:46,974 --> 00:01:50,814 Speaker 3: sex trafficking trial of Sean Diddy Koombs, with prosecutors arguing 29 00:01:50,854 --> 00:01:53,854 Speaker 3: he forced former girlfriends into sex acts and the defense 30 00:01:53,894 --> 00:01:57,454 Speaker 3: saying he believed the encounters were consensual. Coombs has pleaded 31 00:01:57,534 --> 00:02:00,694 Speaker 3: not guilty to racketeering, conspiracy, and two counts of each 32 00:02:00,774 --> 00:02:04,934 Speaker 3: sex trafficking and transporting for prostitution. If convicted, he faces 33 00:02:04,974 --> 00:02:07,454 Speaker 3: at least fifteen years in prison and could receive a 34 00:02:07,494 --> 00:02:12,174 Speaker 3: life sentence. Prosecutors said Acumb's used force, fraud and threats 35 00:02:12,214 --> 00:02:15,734 Speaker 3: to pressure ex girlfriends Cassandra Cassie Venturer and a woman 36 00:02:15,814 --> 00:02:19,654 Speaker 3: known as Jane into drug fueled sex parties with male escorts. 37 00:02:19,894 --> 00:02:23,574 Speaker 3: Surveillance footage showed Coombs assaulting one woman, and his employees 38 00:02:23,654 --> 00:02:28,174 Speaker 3: testified about arranging hotel rooms and drugs. Combs did not testify, 39 00:02:28,334 --> 00:02:31,054 Speaker 3: and his lawyers say the sex was consensual and there 40 00:02:31,094 --> 00:02:35,734 Speaker 3: was no criminal conspiracy. Dury deliberations could begin Friday or Monday. 41 00:02:35,854 --> 00:02:39,534 Speaker 3: In New York, prosecutors will appeal the sentence of former 42 00:02:39,574 --> 00:02:43,694 Speaker 3: Senior Constable Christian James Samuel White. White tasered ninety five 43 00:02:43,774 --> 00:02:46,614 Speaker 3: year old Claire Noland, who died after the incident at 44 00:02:46,654 --> 00:02:49,614 Speaker 3: a nursing home in May twenty twenty three. White was 45 00:02:49,654 --> 00:02:53,294 Speaker 3: sentenced to a good behavior bond and community service for manslaughter, 46 00:02:53,494 --> 00:02:56,294 Speaker 3: but did not receive jail time. The judge said the 47 00:02:56,374 --> 00:02:59,414 Speaker 3: case was at the lower end of seriousness. White fired 48 00:02:59,454 --> 00:03:02,454 Speaker 3: his taser after pointing it at Noland, who had dementia, 49 00:03:02,574 --> 00:03:05,134 Speaker 3: weighed less than forty eight kilograms, and was holding a 50 00:03:05,174 --> 00:03:07,854 Speaker 3: knife and using a walking frame. The shock caused a 51 00:03:07,894 --> 00:03:10,734 Speaker 3: fatal brain injury, so kit to say the judge was 52 00:03:10,774 --> 00:03:14,374 Speaker 3: wrong to decide jail time would be disproportionate, and Nolan's 53 00:03:14,374 --> 00:03:17,054 Speaker 3: family called the sentence a slap on the wrist. The 54 00:03:17,134 --> 00:03:19,534 Speaker 3: appeal hearing is set for Friday at the New South 55 00:03:19,534 --> 00:03:23,454 Speaker 3: Wales Court of Criminal Appeal in Sydney. Singer Jesse Jay 56 00:03:23,494 --> 00:03:26,974 Speaker 3: has revealed that her breast cancer is all gone following surgery. 57 00:03:27,014 --> 00:03:29,854 Speaker 3: Earlier this week, the thirty seven year old, who shares 58 00:03:29,854 --> 00:03:32,734 Speaker 3: a two year old son's sky with partner Channon Coleman, 59 00:03:32,974 --> 00:03:35,734 Speaker 3: gave a candid update on her recovery, listing both the 60 00:03:35,774 --> 00:03:38,574 Speaker 3: pros and cons. On the positive side, she says her 61 00:03:38,654 --> 00:03:41,254 Speaker 3: nipples where it used to be and she's enjoying rest, 62 00:03:41,414 --> 00:03:45,334 Speaker 3: support from loved ones and connecting with others facing similar challenges. 63 00:03:45,814 --> 00:03:48,934 Speaker 3: On the downside, Jessej admits she misses being the active 64 00:03:49,014 --> 00:03:52,214 Speaker 3: mum she used to and is struggling with pain, discomfort 65 00:03:52,334 --> 00:03:56,054 Speaker 3: and constipation caused by medication. She first announced her cancer 66 00:03:56,054 --> 00:03:59,374 Speaker 3: diagnosis on Instagram earlier this month, emphasizing it was at 67 00:03:59,414 --> 00:04:02,814 Speaker 3: the early stage of diagnosis and thanking fans for their support. 68 00:04:03,374 --> 00:04:06,934 Speaker 1: Thanks Charlie. Next the fallout from the Choice sunscreen testing 69 00:04:12,254 --> 00:04:15,534 Speaker 1: earlier this month, consumer group Choice released the findings from 70 00:04:15,574 --> 00:04:20,214 Speaker 1: their SPF testing of popular sunscreen brands as a reminder. 71 00:04:20,494 --> 00:04:24,254 Speaker 1: SPF for sun protection factor measures how well a sunscreen 72 00:04:24,294 --> 00:04:28,934 Speaker 1: protects your skin from UVB rays aka the main cause 73 00:04:28,974 --> 00:04:33,134 Speaker 1: of sunburn, and a driver of skin cancer. The high VSBF, 74 00:04:33,254 --> 00:04:36,534 Speaker 1: the longer it takes for your skin to start burning. Now, 75 00:04:36,654 --> 00:04:40,614 Speaker 1: SPF is tested on human volunteers in accredited labs. They're 76 00:04:40,654 --> 00:04:44,014 Speaker 1: exposed to UV lights both with and without sunscreen, to 77 00:04:44,054 --> 00:04:46,454 Speaker 1: measure how long it takes for their skin to redden. 78 00:04:46,774 --> 00:04:49,934 Speaker 1: It's known as in vivo testing and is the gold 79 00:04:50,014 --> 00:04:55,894 Speaker 1: standard worldwide. So how did Choice conduct their tests well? 80 00:04:55,894 --> 00:04:59,094 Speaker 1: According to their website, sunscreens were sent to a specialized 81 00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:02,214 Speaker 1: lab in Sydney and underwent same testing in line with 82 00:05:02,294 --> 00:05:07,134 Speaker 1: the Australian and Therapeutic Goods Administration requirements. Only four of 83 00:05:07,174 --> 00:05:11,374 Speaker 1: the twenty tested products allegedly met their SPF claims. The 84 00:05:11,454 --> 00:05:15,374 Speaker 1: worst performer by far was Ultraviolet's lean Screen SPF fifty 85 00:05:15,374 --> 00:05:19,134 Speaker 1: plus mattifying zinc skin screen, which returned to an SPF 86 00:05:19,214 --> 00:05:22,494 Speaker 1: of just four. A result so low. Choice ordered a 87 00:05:22,534 --> 00:05:26,014 Speaker 1: second round of testing in Germany, which confirmed the result 88 00:05:26,094 --> 00:05:30,294 Speaker 1: with an SPF of five. Ultraviolet hit back hard, calling 89 00:05:30,294 --> 00:05:34,374 Speaker 1: the findings misleading and not even remotely accurate, pointing to 90 00:05:34,414 --> 00:05:38,454 Speaker 1: their own rigorous TGA complaint testing that showed SPF results 91 00:05:38,574 --> 00:05:39,774 Speaker 1: well above fifty. 92 00:05:40,014 --> 00:05:43,454 Speaker 4: We take this incredibly seriously. We are a sunscreen brand 93 00:05:43,734 --> 00:05:45,894 Speaker 4: we live and die by what we put in the market. 94 00:05:46,134 --> 00:05:50,694 Speaker 4: As founders, Beck and I are so across the formulating, 95 00:05:50,894 --> 00:05:55,774 Speaker 4: the testing, the regulatory vigor the process behind how we 96 00:05:55,814 --> 00:05:57,134 Speaker 4: bring a sunscreen to market. 97 00:05:57,414 --> 00:06:00,614 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, other big names like Cancer Council, Banana Boat and 98 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:04,414 Speaker 1: Bondai Sands all returned lower scores than what's advertised, with 99 00:06:04,614 --> 00:06:08,494 Speaker 1: many brands standing by their own independent testing and promising 100 00:06:08,534 --> 00:06:13,214 Speaker 1: to retest their out of an abundance of caution. The TGA, 101 00:06:13,414 --> 00:06:18,294 Speaker 1: that's Australia's sunscreen regulator, is investigating Choices findings and has 102 00:06:18,334 --> 00:06:22,534 Speaker 1: reminded consumers that sunscreen remains a vital part of sun protection. 103 00:06:23,294 --> 00:06:26,254 Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for the sunscreen currently 104 00:06:26,294 --> 00:06:31,814 Speaker 1: in your bathroom. While the loss of trust caused by 105 00:06:31,934 --> 00:06:36,014 Speaker 1: Choices testing is significant, especially for a product as important 106 00:06:36,014 --> 00:06:39,174 Speaker 1: as sunscreen, experts say it's not time to throw your 107 00:06:39,214 --> 00:06:44,454 Speaker 1: sunscreens away just yet. Professor Attika Gard from unsw's Business 108 00:06:44,454 --> 00:06:48,414 Speaker 1: School says that ossies have historically trusted sunscreen labels as 109 00:06:48,454 --> 00:06:52,014 Speaker 1: a shortcut for safety, and that the choice results have 110 00:06:52,134 --> 00:06:56,374 Speaker 1: rattled that trust, But she wants the headlines can sometimes 111 00:06:56,414 --> 00:06:59,414 Speaker 1: do more harm than good, leading people to question all 112 00:06:59,454 --> 00:07:03,574 Speaker 1: sunscreens or even skip using them altogether, which is far 113 00:07:03,694 --> 00:07:08,254 Speaker 1: riskier than not using sunscreen at all. Despite the controversy, 114 00:07:08,334 --> 00:07:12,014 Speaker 1: experts agree any sunscreen is better than none, especially in 115 00:07:12,014 --> 00:07:14,614 Speaker 1: a country where two and three people will develop skin 116 00:07:14,694 --> 00:07:19,734 Speaker 1: cancer by retirement age. According to Associate Professor Deshaan Senbaradnam 117 00:07:19,774 --> 00:07:23,454 Speaker 1: from UNSW School of Clinical Medicine, the best approach is 118 00:07:23,494 --> 00:07:27,014 Speaker 1: to stick with broad spectrum SPF fifty plus sunscreens and 119 00:07:27,214 --> 00:07:30,134 Speaker 1: make sure you're using the right amount. He says, you 120 00:07:30,174 --> 00:07:32,694 Speaker 1: need about a teaspoon for your face and a backshot 121 00:07:32,734 --> 00:07:36,134 Speaker 1: glass for your entire body, reapplying every four hours and 122 00:07:36,294 --> 00:07:40,214 Speaker 1: even more frequently if you're swimming or sweating. And of course, 123 00:07:40,374 --> 00:07:43,774 Speaker 1: sunscreen is just one part of the slip slop slap 124 00:07:43,894 --> 00:07:47,854 Speaker 1: seek slide rule, so don't forget your hat, sunglasses and 125 00:07:47,894 --> 00:07:55,574 Speaker 1: shade yes even in winter. Hey, do you use AI? 126 00:07:56,734 --> 00:07:59,374 Speaker 1: Maybe you've dumped a list of ingredients into chat GPT 127 00:07:59,734 --> 00:08:01,974 Speaker 1: and asked it to serve up a recipe for dinner, 128 00:08:02,534 --> 00:08:06,894 Speaker 1: or you've logged into perplexity to do some research. Perhaps 129 00:08:06,974 --> 00:08:09,814 Speaker 1: you're creating some truly cooked picks on one of those 130 00:08:09,854 --> 00:08:13,694 Speaker 1: AI image generators to share in your group chat. That's 131 00:08:13,734 --> 00:08:16,694 Speaker 1: what people use it for right, or at least that 132 00:08:16,814 --> 00:08:20,254 Speaker 1: is definitely what my group has been doing. But what 133 00:08:20,334 --> 00:08:23,974 Speaker 1: about using AI for mental health? More and more people 134 00:08:24,014 --> 00:08:27,694 Speaker 1: are turning to chatbots for free on demand therapy, but 135 00:08:28,014 --> 00:08:30,974 Speaker 1: surely they can't be good for us, right. Some people 136 00:08:31,054 --> 00:08:34,614 Speaker 1: use chatbots for twenty four to seven support. One mumma 137 00:08:34,694 --> 00:08:38,174 Speaker 1: mia community member said she uses chat gpt to reply 138 00:08:38,254 --> 00:08:41,134 Speaker 1: to tricky messages from an X, while another uses it 139 00:08:41,174 --> 00:08:44,454 Speaker 1: to come her mum rage or process big life decisions. 140 00:08:45,134 --> 00:08:48,494 Speaker 1: The appeal well, it's always there, it never judges, and 141 00:08:48,694 --> 00:08:52,014 Speaker 1: it's free, unlike a therapy session. They could be setting 142 00:08:52,054 --> 00:08:55,654 Speaker 1: you back hundreds of dollars. But where do these chatbots 143 00:08:55,654 --> 00:08:59,414 Speaker 1: get their advice from. AI Platforms like chat gpt are 144 00:08:59,454 --> 00:09:03,094 Speaker 1: trained on huge amounts of data from the Internet, everything 145 00:09:03,134 --> 00:09:06,934 Speaker 1: from academic papers and news articles to blogs and Reddit threads. 146 00:09:07,534 --> 00:09:10,414 Speaker 1: When you ask a question, the AI narrates a response 147 00:09:10,534 --> 00:09:13,494 Speaker 1: based on patterns in that data, not on real human 148 00:09:13,574 --> 00:09:17,694 Speaker 1: understanding or professional training. Now, yes, there are some mental 149 00:09:17,694 --> 00:09:20,934 Speaker 1: health chat bots like Wobot and Wiser, and they're design 150 00:09:21,014 --> 00:09:25,494 Speaker 1: specifically for therapy, built using evidence based techniques like cognitive 151 00:09:25,494 --> 00:09:28,894 Speaker 1: behavioral therapy. But even these are not a replacement for 152 00:09:28,974 --> 00:09:32,574 Speaker 1: a real therapist. According to experts, AI can be a 153 00:09:32,614 --> 00:09:36,734 Speaker 1: helpful tool, but also has its downfalls. For instance, it 154 00:09:36,774 --> 00:09:40,134 Speaker 1: can't read your body language, or challenge your thinking or 155 00:09:40,254 --> 00:09:43,174 Speaker 1: help you grow in the way a human therapist can. 156 00:09:43,814 --> 00:09:47,254 Speaker 1: There are also concerns about privacy, data security, and the 157 00:09:47,374 --> 00:09:51,494 Speaker 1: risk of becoming overly reliant on AI for emotional support. 158 00:09:52,414 --> 00:09:55,654 Speaker 1: Muma Mia lifestyle writer Analyse Todd has been playing around 159 00:09:55,694 --> 00:10:00,094 Speaker 1: with AI therapy. Analy So you've been investigating this, So 160 00:10:00,174 --> 00:10:02,214 Speaker 1: how do we do it? What am I supposed to 161 00:10:02,294 --> 00:10:02,694 Speaker 1: ask it? 162 00:10:03,054 --> 00:10:05,814 Speaker 5: You can pretty much ask it anything, So it just 163 00:10:06,094 --> 00:10:08,614 Speaker 5: requires a bit of context. So if it's a problem 164 00:10:08,694 --> 00:10:11,294 Speaker 5: that you're facing in your relationship, you just give it 165 00:10:11,334 --> 00:10:15,174 Speaker 5: a little update. It can even analyze text messages, so 166 00:10:15,214 --> 00:10:18,694 Speaker 5: if you're dating someone and you're not sure what the 167 00:10:18,734 --> 00:10:22,254 Speaker 5: sort of hidden messages are, it'll help decode and deconstruct 168 00:10:22,334 --> 00:10:23,254 Speaker 5: pretty much anything. 169 00:10:23,734 --> 00:10:27,534 Speaker 1: Okay, So you've asked community what they've been using it for. 170 00:10:27,614 --> 00:10:29,374 Speaker 1: It turns out more and more people than I realized 171 00:10:29,414 --> 00:10:33,814 Speaker 1: actually use AI therapy. Yes, maybe I need to adopt it. 172 00:10:34,374 --> 00:10:36,294 Speaker 1: What do they ask it? What have they been putting 173 00:10:36,334 --> 00:10:37,414 Speaker 1: through the chatbots? 174 00:10:38,014 --> 00:10:41,454 Speaker 5: So I was seeing this pop up in my algorithm. 175 00:10:41,494 --> 00:10:44,894 Speaker 5: That's what sort of led me to investigate. This is 176 00:10:44,974 --> 00:10:47,534 Speaker 5: all these little means of you know, people marrying, chat 177 00:10:47,574 --> 00:10:49,974 Speaker 5: GBT and all that kind of stuff. And when I 178 00:10:49,974 --> 00:10:53,654 Speaker 5: asked the Mumamea community, is this what everyone's doing? I 179 00:10:53,814 --> 00:10:57,334 Speaker 5: was inundated with messages like literally, everyone's doing this, My 180 00:10:57,374 --> 00:11:00,014 Speaker 5: girlfriends are doing it. I had one of the muma 181 00:11:00,054 --> 00:11:03,054 Speaker 5: mea community said that they're a therapist and they use 182 00:11:03,094 --> 00:11:05,374 Speaker 5: it as a therapist. Really yeah, And one of the 183 00:11:05,374 --> 00:11:07,254 Speaker 5: things they said was, oh, it was just so kind 184 00:11:07,294 --> 00:11:11,094 Speaker 5: to me. A lot of people use it if they have, say, 185 00:11:11,094 --> 00:11:16,094 Speaker 5: an anxious attachment style, and it'll help calm them down 186 00:11:16,214 --> 00:11:19,894 Speaker 5: and regulate and process what they're overthinking and point out 187 00:11:20,054 --> 00:11:22,534 Speaker 5: ways that they are a lot of people with ADHD 188 00:11:23,334 --> 00:11:25,494 Speaker 5: responded and said that they use it and it really 189 00:11:25,534 --> 00:11:27,614 Speaker 5: helps their ADHD symptoms, so. 190 00:11:27,694 --> 00:11:30,214 Speaker 1: Like to organize all their thoughts and collate them maybe 191 00:11:30,214 --> 00:11:30,694 Speaker 1: a little bit. 192 00:11:30,974 --> 00:11:33,174 Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's just a lot of people are using 193 00:11:33,214 --> 00:11:35,214 Speaker 5: it as relationship advice. 194 00:11:35,574 --> 00:11:38,214 Speaker 1: I'm seeing an issue develop here and maybe this is 195 00:11:38,214 --> 00:11:41,094 Speaker 1: something you can tell us more about. If you're only 196 00:11:41,134 --> 00:11:44,854 Speaker 1: feeding it one side of context, surely it's losing some 197 00:11:45,054 --> 00:11:47,574 Speaker 1: nuance there, Like it can't read your body language. It's 198 00:11:47,614 --> 00:11:49,934 Speaker 1: not there physically in the room with you like a 199 00:11:50,054 --> 00:11:53,494 Speaker 1: human therapist would be. What are some of the issues 200 00:11:53,534 --> 00:11:56,534 Speaker 1: with using AI therapy? Because you've talked to a therapist 201 00:11:56,534 --> 00:11:58,014 Speaker 1: about this as well, what have they say this. 202 00:11:58,214 --> 00:12:01,814 Speaker 5: I reached out to an actual human therapist because I 203 00:12:01,854 --> 00:12:05,974 Speaker 5: was definitely interested in their perspective. And Jackie Manning, she's fabulous. 204 00:12:06,014 --> 00:12:09,134 Speaker 5: She's been a psychologist for twenty five years. She's so experienced, 205 00:12:09,174 --> 00:12:11,134 Speaker 5: and she's she said, she understands why people are doing 206 00:12:11,174 --> 00:12:14,534 Speaker 5: this because cost of living therapy can cost three hundred 207 00:12:14,534 --> 00:12:17,094 Speaker 5: dollars a session. She understands why people are doing this, 208 00:12:17,534 --> 00:12:20,654 Speaker 5: but she said the issue is CHATCHPT. It's not a 209 00:12:20,734 --> 00:12:24,374 Speaker 5: trained therapist, which is obvious. But she also said that 210 00:12:24,454 --> 00:12:29,534 Speaker 5: it can't read body language, nonverbal cues, and that was 211 00:12:29,694 --> 00:12:31,894 Speaker 5: one of the first things that she pointed out. But 212 00:12:31,974 --> 00:12:34,974 Speaker 5: the thing that really got me that she said, she 213 00:12:35,094 --> 00:12:38,214 Speaker 5: said part of therapy is learning to be self sufficient. 214 00:12:38,254 --> 00:12:41,014 Speaker 5: If people become over reliant on checking in on AI 215 00:12:41,134 --> 00:12:43,734 Speaker 5: for all their problems, they won't learn to sit with 216 00:12:43,774 --> 00:12:46,854 Speaker 5: discomfort and learn from that, but rather reach for the 217 00:12:46,894 --> 00:12:50,334 Speaker 5: echo chamber in their pocket. And that just really got 218 00:12:50,374 --> 00:12:54,054 Speaker 5: me because when I reached out and used as a therapist, 219 00:12:54,134 --> 00:12:56,774 Speaker 5: it was just so kind and so reaffirming, and when 220 00:12:56,814 --> 00:12:59,774 Speaker 5: I went through and read everyone's responses, it was almost 221 00:12:59,814 --> 00:13:05,414 Speaker 5: like this sycophantic leaning into people pleasing advice and being 222 00:13:05,414 --> 00:13:08,134 Speaker 5: told what we want to hear, but not necessarily what 223 00:13:08,174 --> 00:13:08,974 Speaker 5: we need to hear. 224 00:13:09,014 --> 00:13:10,774 Speaker 1: And that can and me, Well, it becomes like a 225 00:13:10,774 --> 00:13:13,414 Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy then, right, because you're only feeding it 226 00:13:13,734 --> 00:13:17,134 Speaker 1: what you want to feed it, not necessarily maybe facing 227 00:13:17,174 --> 00:13:19,854 Speaker 1: some hard truths that you might need to come to 228 00:13:19,974 --> 00:13:22,534 Speaker 1: terms with, so it's only going to respond back with 229 00:13:22,814 --> 00:13:23,814 Speaker 1: roses and daisies. 230 00:13:23,854 --> 00:13:26,974 Speaker 5: Now you're doing amazing switty and that as well. 231 00:13:27,814 --> 00:13:30,054 Speaker 1: And then there's the other element as well that maybe 232 00:13:30,094 --> 00:13:32,374 Speaker 1: concerns me. And this is just because I am chronically 233 00:13:32,414 --> 00:13:35,254 Speaker 1: online and always thinking about this. You're giving it a 234 00:13:35,294 --> 00:13:36,894 Speaker 1: lot of personal information. 235 00:13:36,654 --> 00:13:40,774 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, definitely there's the data issue, the privacy issue 236 00:13:40,774 --> 00:13:43,734 Speaker 2: as well, and I guess the only way to negate 237 00:13:43,774 --> 00:13:46,894 Speaker 2: that is like to speak to an actual therapist. Yes, 238 00:13:47,094 --> 00:13:48,894 Speaker 2: I would think though if it's your own sort of 239 00:13:48,934 --> 00:13:51,494 Speaker 2: personal dating conundrums, and you know, a lot of people 240 00:13:51,614 --> 00:13:54,374 Speaker 2: use it to craft text messages to boyfriends or. 241 00:13:54,614 --> 00:13:56,534 Speaker 5: That sort of stuff. I don't think that's a risk. 242 00:13:56,574 --> 00:13:59,214 Speaker 5: I think if you're talking about your work and you're 243 00:13:59,294 --> 00:14:02,934 Speaker 5: naming your work and you're talking about private issues that 244 00:14:02,934 --> 00:14:05,374 Speaker 5: are happening at work, that's probably a privacy concern. 245 00:14:05,414 --> 00:14:07,494 Speaker 2: But I think, like, does this guy like me? 246 00:14:07,814 --> 00:14:09,374 Speaker 5: I don't think that really is a problem. 247 00:14:09,694 --> 00:14:12,574 Speaker 1: It feels like a universal question to be honest, and so, 248 00:14:12,614 --> 00:14:15,054 Speaker 1: where are you at with your AI therapy journey? 249 00:14:15,094 --> 00:14:15,334 Speaker 2: Now? 250 00:14:15,854 --> 00:14:19,414 Speaker 5: I'm not using it as the therapist anymore. I think 251 00:14:19,414 --> 00:14:21,294 Speaker 5: I'd still use it because I am dating, and I 252 00:14:21,334 --> 00:14:24,654 Speaker 5: think i'd probably use it to evaluate maybe a text 253 00:14:24,654 --> 00:14:27,894 Speaker 5: message and maybe like help decode and deconstruct something. But 254 00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:30,534 Speaker 5: I definitely still use it for organization things like I 255 00:14:30,654 --> 00:14:33,454 Speaker 5: use it like a little virtual assistant. 256 00:14:33,534 --> 00:14:37,534 Speaker 1: Basically, thanks for taking some time to feed your mind 257 00:14:37,534 --> 00:14:40,014 Speaker 1: with us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor 258 00:14:40,094 --> 00:14:43,774 Speaker 1: Strano and Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill. 259 00:14:44,134 --> 00:14:47,734 Speaker 1: Mama Mia Studios are styled with furniture from Fenten and Fenton. 260 00:14:47,854 --> 00:14:50,374 Speaker 1: Visit Fenton and Fenten dot com dot Au.