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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm
Speaker 1: more Broadneck and today I'm.
Speaker 2: Joined by I'm Kelly mccaren.
Speaker 1: I love doing a little throw to my mystery guest home.
Speaker 2: Mystery guest while em is what is him doing? She's
Speaker 2: doing some sort of a YouTube course. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't talk about that. I was like, wait to
Speaker 1: sell out our podcast and just go and do something
Speaker 1: completely different for a few week.
Speaker 2: Good for us because I get to dive on in.
Speaker 1: Yes, actually having you here is fun. I just like
Speaker 1: to berate her when I can.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough. So what's on the show today?
Speaker 1: Laura coming up on the show today. Lizo is back
Speaker 1: in the headlines for Looks.
Speaker 2: Isn't back baby? She really is.
Speaker 1: She went away for a while, She's come back, and
Speaker 1: because she's Lizo, there's a lot of controversy around her
Speaker 1: new job, her new album, a statement she made on
Speaker 1: stage the other day, her ongoing legal battle into all
Speaker 1: of that. But first, I love that you're always hearing
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Kelly, because there is a day after The
Speaker 1: White Lotus airs on binge here in Australia. So I
Speaker 1: actually didn't get to see the episode last night because
Speaker 1: I was at an event very late last night, very
Speaker 1: early morning interview, and I knew I was going to
Speaker 1: be hit with spoilers, and that's okay. But last time
Speaker 1: you look so angry.
Speaker 2: I'm just dirty. What did I threaten last week?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, people, okay, last week I was sitting here with
Speaker 2: Laura on this very same couch, in these same positions.
Speaker 2: You know what, today, I'm even dressed more White Lotus
Speaker 2: than you actually do.
Speaker 1: Look like you could be by the pool of the
Speaker 1: White Lotus and Thailand.
Speaker 2: But I said, did I not? I can't deal with
Speaker 2: their undercurrent incest vibes. If Mike White wants to continue
Speaker 2: down this track, I'm going to have to just bow out. Well,
Speaker 2: after last night's episode, it looks like I shall not
Speaker 2: be finishing the last out of season five.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: Yuck.
Speaker 1: I wish you could see Kelly's face. I'll have to
Speaker 1: take a pot on post it because you just look
Speaker 1: absolutely horrified.
Speaker 2: Yuck. Jess. I'm sorry, but there are a lot of
Speaker 2: storylines that I'm okay with. Incest is not one of them.
Speaker 2: That is yuck.
Speaker 1: Okay, So obviously this is very light spoilers for last night,
Speaker 1: and don't worry for people who haven't can't I your shoes,
Speaker 1: But this is everywhere today.
Speaker 2: You kind of scared. I didn't watch it till this morning,
Speaker 2: so I'd already seen all the incest stuff last night
Speaker 2: or this morning when I was on social, which you know,
Speaker 2: I should have known. I should have known that I
Speaker 2: couldn't deal with it. Didn't have the stomach for it.
Speaker 2: One of the brothers did have a vomit. I was
Speaker 2: with him. I also wanted to have a big vomit.
Speaker 1: Again, if anyone who's not super across the right Loaders.
Speaker 1: But you've seen the memes and everything. This is the
Speaker 1: Ratliffe family in season three of The White Loaders. They're
Speaker 1: the very rich, very white very dad's got.
Speaker 2: The big schlong them, likes to talk about Buddhism, yes,
Speaker 2: the daughter wants to be a very well off family.
Speaker 2: And they've got these two brothers.
Speaker 1: The oldest two's played by Arnold Schwarzenegger's son, and then
Speaker 1: Sam Navola plays the younger brother and there's been this
Speaker 1: underlying incest tension between them, especially in the Younger Brothers
Speaker 1: ed since episode one. At first, I wasn't sure if
Speaker 1: it was just an underlying current and nothing was going
Speaker 1: to come of it.
Speaker 2: But do something to come of it, anything, man, Mike Whitet.
Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything just to dilly dally around with it.
Speaker 2: We should have known. We should have known that he
Speaker 2: was going to commit. He teased us with it, then
Speaker 2: he was going to commit. It was just yuck, not
Speaker 2: okay with it.
Speaker 1: Some people have been saying this season is a bit
Speaker 1: too slow, so now it's kind of really up to
Speaker 1: the ants.
Speaker 2: He don't you think. I just think that you could
Speaker 2: have done a lot of things, but not having brothers
Speaker 2: jack each other off and walk around like they've been
Speaker 2: railed by each.
Speaker 1: Other was not I mean, that's definitely a visual so
Speaker 1: but yes, you're well by this. So I'm hearing this
Speaker 1: from a lot of people. Some people are like not
Speaker 1: loving it, but I guess they're lurry.
Speaker 2: If you're into this, that's weird.
Speaker 1: But I don't think people are into watching that. I
Speaker 1: think that people horrified, but they're also amused and it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, it's almost like an exist reading TV
Speaker 1: experience for some people, because the reason you watch a
Speaker 1: show like The White Lotus is for the shock value
Speaker 1: a lot of the time, and because we're in seasons.
Speaker 2: Really now, yeah, oh I reckon. You watch it because
Speaker 2: you want to enjoy a little bit of drama while
Speaker 2: you watch rich People by Pillar. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: But think back to the first season of Like the Managers.
Speaker 1: To Mary Butler's character, it was the only wild sex
Speaker 1: and the people.
Speaker 2: Will Oh I forgot about that. The only thing I
Speaker 2: remembered from that season was him shitting in someone suit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that too. But this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It has all these kind of crazy moments. Yeah, that's true,
Speaker 1: and the feedback on this season was not crazy enough.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure Mike White was watching all of that.
Speaker 2: Oh so then he was like, Okay, let's get one
Speaker 2: brother to jack off the other brother. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean again, you don't have to like what
Speaker 1: characters do, right, It's about watching the lives of people
Speaker 1: you would never interact with.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean hold this space. Next week, I
Speaker 2: might be sitting in this seat again, going yeap, oh god,
Speaker 2: I just I simply cannot. I've had to bleach my eyeballs.
Speaker 2: You've come back on the incest treen to my hands up,
Speaker 2: did did it?
Speaker 1: That's not the lyrics is yeah, oh it is pretty much.
Speaker 1: It's like Lizzo's in the frame with us. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're a Lizo fan, which I still very much
Speaker 1: call myself a Lizo fan, like her music spanging, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: But if you've been a Lizo fan the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, it has been a little difficult because a
Speaker 1: few years ago a whole bunch of allegations came out
Speaker 1: against her from dances that she had worked with in choreographers,
Speaker 1: which kind of shattered the allusion to some extent for
Speaker 1: a lot of fans who just saw her as like
Speaker 1: she just came across as the most warm, wonderful person,
Speaker 1: this kind of light in show business.
Speaker 2: The end of the day, she's still a business bitch.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, some of it's disproven, But where right now
Speaker 1: is that she did kind of go away for a
Speaker 1: little bit. She wasn't touring, she wasn't releasing music, she
Speaker 1: wasn't doing interviews. Off the back of all this drama.
Speaker 2: She was doing the cancelation playbook, which is Disappear. Yes.
Speaker 1: So she went away for a while and recently she's
Speaker 1: come back with a bit of a bang because she's
Speaker 1: got some good career news. She's got a new album
Speaker 1: coming out. But she's also booked her first lead role
Speaker 1: in a movie. So she's set to play Sister Rosetta Tharp,
Speaker 1: Who's someone I didn't know about, but I guess that's
Speaker 1: a great thing when someone has a movie made about
Speaker 1: their life, you get to learn their story. So she's
Speaker 1: an American gospel singer no one as the godmother of rock,
Speaker 1: and Lizo is going to be playing her in a.
Speaker 2: Movie None, I am assuming, So for names, sister.
Speaker 1: I think that's more like her stage name. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: never mind, I mean, I guess we'll know more in
Speaker 1: the movie. Okay, I don't know for sure. This is
Speaker 1: the first I don't want to Kelly, just bloody. Go
Speaker 1: watch the film when it comes out. Well, apparently she
Speaker 1: used like all different versions of music and was you know,
Speaker 1: a turing artists and people loved her. So Lizo shared
Speaker 1: the announcement to her Instagram page. You know how Deadline
Speaker 1: is the first platform to announce they have all the
Speaker 1: exclusives on new movies and what well, a lot of
Speaker 1: actors say they know they've made it when you get
Speaker 1: a Deadline article because they all post the Deadline articles
Speaker 1: to their Instagram. It's like the thing to do to
Speaker 1: show that you're legit. So Lizo posted her first Deadline
Speaker 1: article announcing her as the lead of this movie, and
Speaker 1: in the caption she wrote, black people made rock and roll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she said it's finally out, y'all. I'm so
Speaker 1: excited and honored. It's actually the first time she started
Speaker 1: in a feature film since twenty nineteen Hustlers, although that
Speaker 1: was just more of a bit supporting part.
Speaker 2: So she's the proper lead role. She's the least gonna
Speaker 2: be fantastic, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: And also just a different foray from her. She's obviously
Speaker 1: did her reality TV show, but she's mostly been a
Speaker 1: touring artist and like a few little acting roles here
Speaker 1: and there. So leading a movie is a big deal.
Speaker 2: Obviously, also trying to just really mix things up and
Speaker 2: not just go back to touring and doing the same
Speaker 2: thing that she was doing before she got quote unquote canceled.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So let's get into the cancelation, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I know people always go like I hate that word
Speaker 1: or it's not true, but it has just become like
Speaker 1: a way of explaining when someone goes through an allegation
Speaker 1: and then a backlash and everything that follows, like it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're gone for good. It just means they
Speaker 1: go through that public prot I think.
Speaker 2: It's just what we call exactly right, that public pr process.
Speaker 2: When something comes out about someone, you can't go onto
Speaker 2: their social media without the comment sections being absolutely full
Speaker 2: of things about it, and it's all anyone's talking about
Speaker 2: in relation to that person. Of course, they're not canceled
Speaker 2: to take cancel a person, like even the ones that
Speaker 2: we sent to jail, you're not actually canceled. You've still
Speaker 2: got like a mum and people that you can call.
Speaker 2: Like even many of those people come back into the
Speaker 2: spot like it's very much good. As we talked about
Speaker 2: this morning, lots.
Speaker 1: Of people exactly even people who have done way worse
Speaker 1: stuff than Lizard. Because we should say she has not
Speaker 1: been convicted or fowl guilty of it.
Speaker 2: Also wasn't that bad. I don't think it wasn't just
Speaker 2: that she might have been a bit of a mole
Speaker 2: to work for. Let's get into that.
Speaker 1: There's a few different things, and it's good to know
Speaker 1: because also there were so many different allegations from so
Speaker 1: many people that it was definitely, i think, unless you
Speaker 1: were really following all the granular moments, very hard to
Speaker 1: keep track of who was making what allegations. So one
Speaker 1: of the allegations which has recently been dismissed was from
Speaker 1: fashion designer Asher Daniels, who says that Lizzo undersaw a unsafe,
Speaker 1: sexually charged workplace and culture, and she also accused Lizo
Speaker 1: of making racist and fat phobic remarks and also mocking
Speaker 1: other black women in the entourage. This is when they
Speaker 1: were doing the international tour. Lizzo had always said from
Speaker 1: the beginning this was a very absurd publicity stunt, and
Speaker 1: she said that everything that Asha Daniels was saying was untrue,
Speaker 1: and her team at the time came out and said
Speaker 1: that she was a disgruntled former employee who was just
Speaker 1: out to make delicious claims. So that one has actually
Speaker 1: recently been dismissed only because it was found that it
Speaker 1: was actually the touring and payroll company who was the
Speaker 1: defendant In the ongoing case. So the judge has granted
Speaker 1: a partial motion to dismiss a lot of the claims
Speaker 1: just because they're saying that technically Lizzo wasn't the employer, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm really breaking this down to a granular level.
Speaker 2: But I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I did not know this because it wasn't actually Lizo,
Speaker 1: that she can sue for the unsafe working conditions is
Speaker 1: what they found. It's the tour company, and because it
Speaker 1: was a European tour company, American laws do not apply. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's been partially dismissed. But also three of Lizzo's
Speaker 1: former tour dancers sue The Star over a year ago
Speaker 1: now and accused her of sexual harassment and fat shaming
Speaker 1: over multiple incidents that they say that took place from
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three. And a lot
Speaker 1: of those stories and accusations from these women are very
Speaker 1: wild about things that happen behind the TV show they
Speaker 1: were on. Oh that just that she would make terrible
Speaker 1: remarks about what they looked like, that she would be
Speaker 1: fat shaming towards them, that she would be like critical
Speaker 1: of how they looked. Not a chance all these there's
Speaker 1: also allegations that she took them to a sex club
Speaker 1: when they were touring, and that she made them do
Speaker 1: things they were uncomfortable with. It's all these kind of
Speaker 1: different stories of like you're hearing, like Lizo's saying like,
Speaker 1: this is what happened, this is what I saw, their
Speaker 1: saying this is false. And then you have these other
Speaker 1: three dancers saying that they were treated terribly. They were like,
Speaker 1: you know, she'd scream at them and treat them badly
Speaker 1: and make sexual remarks about that.
Speaker 2: We all been to a strip club or a sex
Speaker 2: show with a boss before. And then I mean, I
Speaker 2: feel like you have this bonding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, you work in entertainment media marketing,
Speaker 1: like you actually do some weird things, really weird.
Speaker 2: Stuff with someple you work with.
Speaker 1: Some people on Liza's team have said this, so obviously
Speaker 1: all accusations at this point, this particular case, I think
Speaker 1: it might stretch on for a few years because there's
Speaker 1: so many different evidences and people.
Speaker 2: That they have to talk to.
Speaker 1: But some people on Lizzo's team have said that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're touring and like you'll go to a strip club
Speaker 1: or a sex club or something like that, and it's
Speaker 1: meant to be like a bonding experience. Again, not discounting
Speaker 1: what those women have said, because we don't know what happened,
Speaker 1: but their side of the story is that Lizo was
Speaker 1: trying to, like, you know, take them all for a
Speaker 1: fun night, and no one was pushed into anything. But
Speaker 1: it was a bonding experience, and what happens on tour
Speaker 1: probably times a bit wild.
Speaker 2: The way that I imagine it went was just that they
Speaker 2: were super uncomfortable, and I'm so just projecting, but Lizzo
Speaker 2: would have been like, yeah, yeah, h yeah, get her.
Speaker 2: And if they are not into that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: which is totally fine, then obviously then it can be
Speaker 2: taken the wrong way, which is no one's real fault.
Speaker 2: But it's just like, oh god, some people just should
Speaker 2: not be in certain jobs. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, I mean, whatever happened behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: we don't know yet, it sounds like it was a
Speaker 1: bit of a wild time. But I think also, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember when the allegations came out.
Speaker 1: I remember very vividly because Lizzo was always one of
Speaker 1: those people who like she was the ultimate girls girl.
Speaker 1: She had just put out that reality show searching for
Speaker 1: dancers who could have been in different bodies and plus
Speaker 1: sized bodies and who would be shut out of the industry,
Speaker 1: and she was bringing them on too with her and
Speaker 1: giving them jobs and her music and everything she'd said,
Speaker 1: like she was this whole being that people looked up
Speaker 1: to as almost I guess, looking back now, like almost
Speaker 1: too good to be true in a way, that she
Speaker 1: was this perfect person, Like not that we thought she
Speaker 1: was perfect, but she just set herself apart from other
Speaker 1: celebrities for what she stood for. And so when that
Speaker 1: all came crashing down, I think it hit her fans
Speaker 1: particularly hard.
Speaker 2: Which is actually ridiculous if you think about it, because
Speaker 2: all that proves is it it's true that perfection doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: No one is perfect. You can still be the biggest
Speaker 2: girls girl and a sligh queen an amazing, but still
Speaker 2: have had a couple of issues with people, like every
Speaker 2: single person does in the history of the world, and
Speaker 2: anyone that's gonna arc up about it and get really
Speaker 2: cranky and oh, she's not who we thought we were.
Speaker 2: So you're saying that if you put in a room
Speaker 2: every single person that's ever worked with you in your
Speaker 2: entire life. They're not one person's gonna have a story
Speaker 2: about you or a slight problem with the thing is
Speaker 2: is that you're not a public figure. You don't have
Speaker 2: the world looking up to you as the girl's girl.
Speaker 1: I think maybe people, including myself might have felt differently
Speaker 1: if they were saying she was just a difficult boss,
Speaker 1: she was demanding, she wasn't as friendly, and.
Speaker 2: She's so successful.
Speaker 1: Well, all those things I would have believed, because I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone who's in that area where, like when
Speaker 1: they talk about celebrities, if you're like leading a movie
Speaker 1: or you're the star of a big too like that,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can be a normal person because
Speaker 1: you live in an unnormal world exactly if what they're
Speaker 1: saying is true. And again they're just allegations, but it's
Speaker 1: three of them saying and other people have all so
Speaker 1: corroborated their facts, which is why it's still going through
Speaker 1: the court legal system. Is that she did make a
Speaker 1: lot of fat shaming and body comments, and that I
Speaker 1: find really hard to reconcile my head, because you have
Speaker 1: to have that in your head to put it out there,
Speaker 1: like most people wouldn't even if you're a terrible person,
Speaker 1: you're difficult to work with.
Speaker 2: I think that's a separate.
Speaker 1: Layer of bringing those comments in, and I know it's
Speaker 1: laid because she's had those comments strong at her.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I don't really understand that, because how
Speaker 2: could you believe that she would be saying fat phobic
Speaker 2: things when she's very fat positive as a fat woman herself,
Speaker 2: loud and proud. Yeah, so it just doesn't really make
Speaker 2: sense to me, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the thing I mean, not that
Speaker 1: I want to hear it, but like it'd be interesting
Speaker 1: if there was videos or transcripts or anything to kind
Speaker 1: of know what she was saying, because it's interesting because
Speaker 1: no matter what size you are, I think, like, because
Speaker 1: the world we live in is so fat phobic, there's
Speaker 1: just different things that are ingrained now way of thinking
Speaker 1: that we might not even know that we're saying just
Speaker 1: because that's how people talk.
Speaker 2: But also for things consider joke, Yeah, exactly might be
Speaker 2: like I can joke about this because I'm she could
Speaker 2: be like I can make fat jokes I'm fat, but
Speaker 2: like those other people might not see it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. Like, so it's like, was it being
Speaker 2: too familiar in a space. That's a hard thing with
Speaker 2: accus there's so much nuance behind it you actually think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the hard thing for her too,
Speaker 1: and her public persona is that, yes, you'll bounce back, like, yes,
Speaker 1: she's touring a new album and she's going to be
Speaker 1: in a movie. And I'm sure she could like easily
Speaker 1: still sell out stadiums and I would like one hundred
Speaker 1: percent gone by a ticket to see her. But I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people would have just seen that
Speaker 1: first wave of allegations that happened that week and see
Speaker 1: all these horrible things and not look into it further
Speaker 1: and not be following the news like over a year later,
Speaker 1: So they're always going to think that of her like
Speaker 1: that will never go away.
Speaker 2: And also the thousands and thousands of other people that
Speaker 2: have met her and know her and worked with her
Speaker 2: that don't have anything bad to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, no, no, no. Recently, Lizzie was on stage
Speaker 1: and she was and she started talking for really the
Speaker 1: first time that I've seen her talk publicly about what
Speaker 1: she went through in the last year, and it was
Speaker 1: really the most raw I've seen a singer be on
Speaker 1: stage for a long time.
Speaker 3: About a year and a half. I guess I had
Speaker 3: to tell me. I was in such a dark, deep depression.
Speaker 4: I was so heartbroken by the world and so deep
Speaker 4: heard that.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to live in about it. And I
Speaker 3: was so deeply afraid of people that I didn't want
Speaker 3: to be seen.
Speaker 4: And eventually I got over a fear and I went
Speaker 4: to a concept and I like this lived, and.
Speaker 3: I was walking through the crowd to get to.
Speaker 4: My safe something miraculous. Somebody who I didn't know looked
Speaker 4: at me as a liten I love you, and they
Speaker 4: reached out and I reached back and we hurt and
Speaker 4: it felt sold in how good.
Speaker 3: And then it was ten people, and then there was
Speaker 3: one hundred people, and it was a thousand people, and
Speaker 3: then it was ten.
Speaker 4: Thousand people showering me a low and support and reaching
Speaker 4: out and allowing me to reach back out and embracing me.
Speaker 3: And yet was fucking life saving me.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought Lizzo in my brain
Speaker 2: looked so different and that looks like someone else. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen her live, but that just
Speaker 2: looks like a different person.
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess you know, she'sn't performed for a while,
Speaker 1: be like a different look of different hair. She also
Speaker 1: has lost a lot of weight, which she Yeah, the
Speaker 1: other source of contention because she's documented a bit of
Speaker 1: it online. Oh obviously, because you know, there's not many
Speaker 1: people with different bodies in the spotlight, so anytime anyone
Speaker 1: who doesn't fit that mold changes their body becomes a
Speaker 1: big story.
Speaker 2: You wrote a really good article about that, Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately it keeps coming up time and time again,
Speaker 1: so we could write that over and over again. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was interesting because in that moment on stage and
Speaker 1: she's playing to this huge room full of people, but
Speaker 1: when you listen to what she's saying, it sounds like
Speaker 1: such an intimate conversation because she's talking about the fact
Speaker 1: that she didn't know if she could live anymore, where
Speaker 1: she was going through this.
Speaker 2: Very sad but once again the cancelation playbook, she's hitting
Speaker 2: those key points. You've got to disappear, then you've got
Speaker 2: to come back, and you've got to talk about your
Speaker 2: mental health, and you know how dire things got, and
Speaker 2: of course it would, but it's part of the playbook,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly, And I'm sure. I mean, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that she had some crisis prs who can give some
Speaker 1: questional advice. I don't know how much we should have
Speaker 1: them on them on the playbook.
Speaker 2: There's some real dodgy ones out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like, oh, here, Armi Hammer, go and
Speaker 1: do a tall interview, and you're like, no, that man
Speaker 1: should not be mere a microphone. Not that I'm looping
Speaker 1: Armie Hammer and Lozzo into the same bucket, but yeah,
Speaker 1: some of them need to go away for longer. Anymost
Speaker 1: no threatening to Yeah, it is interesting because I think
Speaker 1: the vitual towards her was maybe a bit more intense
Speaker 1: than some other celebrities, just because it's weird to think.
Speaker 1: As much as people loved her, a lot of people
Speaker 1: did hate her because of her body size and because
Speaker 1: she was outspoken, and.
Speaker 2: Because I literally would have thought that she's one of
Speaker 2: the most universally loved.
Speaker 1: So I think too, But I didn't realize and that
Speaker 1: intense hatreded And I think maybe because we live in
Speaker 1: a bubble with saying people who see a pop star
Speaker 1: come out with this music and we just all fantastic music.
Speaker 2: She seems fantastic.
Speaker 1: She's a great performer, but even before that, she could
Speaker 1: never get on stage that people being like I love
Speaker 1: her music, but like, is she promoting an unhealthy lifestyle?
Speaker 2: Is she this healthy lifestyle? I know? Even that woman
Speaker 2: could literally outlive any show.
Speaker 1: For three hours, dancing, singing, and playing the flute, like
Speaker 1: through a forty minute netball game, her lung capacity would
Speaker 1: be out.
Speaker 2: Of unhealthy lifestyle my eym, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: But again, so there's always people out there, like a
Speaker 1: black woman who's on stage and who's being very apologetic,
Speaker 1: and these are things that she said before that there's
Speaker 1: this undercurrent of people who just didn't like her because of.
Speaker 2: That, and now because she's a woman and someone will
Speaker 2: always have to have an opinion about everything or no
Speaker 2: one can ever do anything right. If she has lost weight,
Speaker 2: then all of those same people that said you're unhealthy
Speaker 2: will now be like, that's a shame that you lost weight.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like you're not servicing this group of fans and
Speaker 1: you've let people down.
Speaker 2: And again, I'm still unhealthy. You still can't run around
Speaker 2: to stage for three hour? Oh can you? Exactly?
Speaker 1: And this is what I always come back to, this
Speaker 1: idea of like when we start policing and women's bodies
Speaker 1: in general, but like famous women's bodies because they're the
Speaker 1: ones we see the most. Is that if we had
Speaker 1: an industry that had all different types of bodies, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be this big talking point every time someone changes
Speaker 1: it because exactly she'd be like to fluctuate without it
Speaker 1: being like, yes, so she has been like, you know,
Speaker 1: hate those tabloid headlongso like she's been showing off her body,
Speaker 1: but she has been like documenting her changing body on
Speaker 1: social But I feel like that hasn't she always showed
Speaker 1: off her body like she's always been, you know, like
Speaker 1: a bit of naked dancer. Oh yes, yes, in that capacity, yes,
Speaker 1: But now on her socials she's actually been saying, like
Speaker 1: some things I've been doing, my body looks smaller here,
Speaker 1: I've done this. I'm proud, like how my body looks here,
Speaker 1: Like she has been documenting it, so it's not like
Speaker 1: a secret thing. But I feel like that hasn't made
Speaker 1: headlines like it would have in the past, because you know,
Speaker 1: people are still having this conversation about is she canceled
Speaker 1: and when she gave this speech to this concept, and
Speaker 1: obviously so many people filmed it because the audience was
Speaker 1: full of fans and it went viral. Then the headlines
Speaker 1: became Lizo wanted to end her life, and so we're
Speaker 1: only getting these like little nuggets of information from a
Speaker 1: woman whose life is so public that I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a lot of layers to it.
Speaker 2: Well, anyway, I'm still very much so team Lizzo as
Speaker 2: I've always been. So I'll be there watching a movie
Speaker 2: and I'll go to a sex club with her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so would I look, I've that a bit. This is
Speaker 2: like a wildlife, really a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for listening to this spill today,
Speaker 1: and thank you Kelly for joining us once again for
Speaker 1: the incest chat anytime.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, not anytime only I don't have to
Speaker 2: talk to you about interests ever again.
Speaker 1: We'll see And also make sure you tune into the
Speaker 1: Spill tomorrow because I have a special weekend watch that
Speaker 1: I cannot hang on too. And we're actually gonna have
Speaker 1: a cameo from a very famous name that you'll be
Speaker 1: excited about coming in for that. So a little teaser
Speaker 1: for tomorrow's episode. So The Spill is produced by ned Green,
Speaker 1: with sound production by Scott Stronik, and we'll see you
Speaker 1: here back in.
Speaker 2: Your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. Bye Bye Lan.