WEBVTT - Lizzo’s Startling Confession & The TV Plotline Audiences Cannot Handle 0:00:11.064 --> 0:00:11.384 So much. 0:00:11.424 --> 0:00:14.104 You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 0:00:14.784 --> 0:00:18.664 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:18.704 --> 0:00:20.384 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:25.264 --> 0:00:26.064 From Mamma Mia. 0:00:26.344 --> 0:00:29.624 Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm 0:00:29.664 --> 0:00:31.144 more Broadneck and today I'm. 0:00:31.064 --> 0:00:32.944 Joined by I'm Kelly mccaren. 0:00:33.064 --> 0:00:35.704 I love doing a little throw to my mystery guest home. 0:00:35.544 --> 0:00:38.224 Mystery guest while em is what is him doing? She's 0:00:38.264 --> 0:00:40.224 doing some sort of a YouTube course. Yeah, I don't. 0:00:40.304 --> 0:00:42.104 I can't talk about that. I was like, wait to 0:00:42.224 --> 0:00:43.984 sell out our podcast and just go and do something 0:00:43.984 --> 0:00:45.384 completely different for a few week. 0:00:45.424 --> 0:00:47.784 Good for us because I get to dive on in. 0:00:47.864 --> 0:00:49.824 Yes, actually having you here is fun. I just like 0:00:49.904 --> 0:00:50.984 to berate her when I can. 0:00:51.104 --> 0:00:53.504 Fair enough, fair enough. So what's on the show today? 0:00:53.544 --> 0:00:55.944 Laura coming up on the show today. Lizo is back 0:00:55.944 --> 0:00:57.664 in the headlines for Looks. 0:00:58.064 --> 0:00:59.864 Isn't back baby? She really is. 0:00:59.904 --> 0:01:01.904 She went away for a while, She's come back, and 0:01:02.144 --> 0:01:04.704 because she's Lizo, there's a lot of controversy around her 0:01:04.744 --> 0:01:07.544 new job, her new album, a statement she made on 0:01:07.624 --> 0:01:10.864 stage the other day, her ongoing legal battle into all 0:01:10.904 --> 0:01:13.024 of that. But first, I love that you're always hearing 0:01:13.024 --> 0:01:15.104 on Tuesday, Kelly, because there is a day after The 0:01:15.104 --> 0:01:18.624 White Lotus airs on binge here in Australia. So I 0:01:18.624 --> 0:01:20.944 actually didn't get to see the episode last night because 0:01:20.944 --> 0:01:23.464 I was at an event very late last night, very 0:01:23.504 --> 0:01:26.104 early morning interview, and I knew I was going to 0:01:26.144 --> 0:01:28.904 be hit with spoilers, and that's okay. But last time 0:01:28.944 --> 0:01:30.104 you look so angry. 0:01:30.464 --> 0:01:34.224 I'm just dirty. What did I threaten last week? 0:01:34.344 --> 0:01:34.504 Well? 0:01:34.704 --> 0:01:38.304 Yeah, people, okay, last week I was sitting here with 0:01:38.384 --> 0:01:41.264 Laura on this very same couch, in these same positions. 0:01:41.504 --> 0:01:44.264 You know what, today, I'm even dressed more White Lotus 0:01:44.304 --> 0:01:45.424 than you actually do. 0:01:45.544 --> 0:01:47.264 Look like you could be by the pool of the 0:01:47.264 --> 0:01:48.504 White Lotus and Thailand. 0:01:48.664 --> 0:01:52.664 But I said, did I not? I can't deal with 0:01:52.704 --> 0:01:58.104 their undercurrent incest vibes. If Mike White wants to continue 0:01:58.144 --> 0:02:00.944 down this track, I'm going to have to just bow out. Well, 0:02:01.384 --> 0:02:03.984 after last night's episode, it looks like I shall not 0:02:04.024 --> 0:02:07.024 be finishing the last out of season five. 0:02:07.224 --> 0:02:07.504 That's it. 0:02:08.224 --> 0:02:08.464 Yuck. 0:02:10.184 --> 0:02:12.624 I wish you could see Kelly's face. I'll have to 0:02:12.624 --> 0:02:15.304 take a pot on post it because you just look 0:02:15.384 --> 0:02:16.744 absolutely horrified. 0:02:17.384 --> 0:02:20.904 Yuck. Jess. I'm sorry, but there are a lot of 0:02:20.944 --> 0:02:24.064 storylines that I'm okay with. Incest is not one of them. 0:02:24.104 --> 0:02:25.104 That is yuck. 0:02:25.544 --> 0:02:28.344 Okay, So obviously this is very light spoilers for last night, 0:02:28.344 --> 0:02:31.624 and don't worry for people who haven't can't I your shoes, 0:02:31.704 --> 0:02:33.064 But this is everywhere today. 0:02:33.064 --> 0:02:35.464 You kind of scared. I didn't watch it till this morning, 0:02:36.264 --> 0:02:38.984 so I'd already seen all the incest stuff last night 0:02:39.704 --> 0:02:42.224 or this morning when I was on social, which you know, 0:02:42.344 --> 0:02:43.904 I should have known. I should have known that I 0:02:43.904 --> 0:02:46.144 couldn't deal with it. Didn't have the stomach for it. 0:02:46.664 --> 0:02:48.984 One of the brothers did have a vomit. I was 0:02:49.024 --> 0:02:51.624 with him. I also wanted to have a big vomit. 0:02:51.584 --> 0:02:54.064 Again, if anyone who's not super across the right Loaders. 0:02:54.184 --> 0:02:56.304 But you've seen the memes and everything. This is the 0:02:56.384 --> 0:02:58.784 Ratliffe family in season three of The White Loaders. They're 0:02:58.784 --> 0:03:02.504 the very rich, very white very dad's got. 0:03:02.384 --> 0:03:05.624 The big schlong them, likes to talk about Buddhism, yes, 0:03:05.704 --> 0:03:08.184 the daughter wants to be a very well off family. 0:03:08.224 --> 0:03:09.464 And they've got these two brothers. 0:03:09.464 --> 0:03:13.264 The oldest two's played by Arnold Schwarzenegger's son, and then 0:03:13.304 --> 0:03:16.704 Sam Navola plays the younger brother and there's been this 0:03:16.864 --> 0:03:20.344 underlying incest tension between them, especially in the Younger Brothers 0:03:20.424 --> 0:03:23.144 ed since episode one. At first, I wasn't sure if 0:03:23.144 --> 0:03:24.904 it was just an underlying current and nothing was going 0:03:24.944 --> 0:03:25.344 to come of it. 0:03:25.384 --> 0:03:28.744 But do something to come of it, anything, man, Mike Whitet. 0:03:28.784 --> 0:03:31.864 He doesn't do anything just to dilly dally around with it. 0:03:32.304 --> 0:03:34.064 We should have known. We should have known that he 0:03:34.144 --> 0:03:36.784 was going to commit. He teased us with it, then 0:03:36.824 --> 0:03:39.344 he was going to commit. It was just yuck, not 0:03:39.464 --> 0:03:40.184 okay with it. 0:03:40.264 --> 0:03:41.864 Some people have been saying this season is a bit 0:03:41.904 --> 0:03:44.064 too slow, so now it's kind of really up to 0:03:44.064 --> 0:03:44.384 the ants. 0:03:44.384 --> 0:03:46.904 He don't you think. I just think that you could 0:03:46.904 --> 0:03:49.224 have done a lot of things, but not having brothers 0:03:49.304 --> 0:03:51.984 jack each other off and walk around like they've been 0:03:52.064 --> 0:03:52.864 railed by each. 0:03:52.744 --> 0:03:55.944 Other was not I mean, that's definitely a visual so 0:03:56.064 --> 0:03:58.224 but yes, you're well by this. So I'm hearing this 0:03:58.304 --> 0:04:00.584 from a lot of people. Some people are like not 0:04:00.944 --> 0:04:02.264 loving it, but I guess they're lurry. 0:04:02.304 --> 0:04:03.744 If you're into this, that's weird. 0:04:03.784 --> 0:04:05.504 But I don't think people are into watching that. I 0:04:05.504 --> 0:04:08.624 think that people horrified, but they're also amused and it's 0:04:08.664 --> 0:04:11.184 kind of like, it's almost like an exist reading TV 0:04:11.264 --> 0:04:14.104 experience for some people, because the reason you watch a 0:04:14.144 --> 0:04:16.904 show like The White Lotus is for the shock value 0:04:16.904 --> 0:04:18.504 a lot of the time, and because we're in seasons. 0:04:18.504 --> 0:04:21.104 Really now, yeah, oh I reckon. You watch it because 0:04:21.144 --> 0:04:22.744 you want to enjoy a little bit of drama while 0:04:22.744 --> 0:04:25.224 you watch rich People by Pillar. Yeah exactly. 0:04:25.264 --> 0:04:27.944 But think back to the first season of Like the Managers. 0:04:27.984 --> 0:04:30.024 To Mary Butler's character, it was the only wild sex 0:04:30.064 --> 0:04:30.664 and the people. 0:04:30.424 --> 0:04:32.864 Will Oh I forgot about that. The only thing I 0:04:32.904 --> 0:04:35.624 remembered from that season was him shitting in someone suit. 0:04:35.824 --> 0:04:37.544 Oh my god, that too. But this is what I'm saying. 0:04:37.544 --> 0:04:40.024 It has all these kind of crazy moments. Yeah, that's true, 0:04:40.064 --> 0:04:42.504 and the feedback on this season was not crazy enough. 0:04:42.544 --> 0:04:44.624 And I'm sure Mike White was watching all of that. 0:04:44.704 --> 0:04:46.824 Oh so then he was like, Okay, let's get one 0:04:46.864 --> 0:04:48.904 brother to jack off the other brother. Yeah. 0:04:48.984 --> 0:04:50.584 But I mean again, you don't have to like what 0:04:50.704 --> 0:04:53.504 characters do, right, It's about watching the lives of people 0:04:53.504 --> 0:04:54.744 you would never interact with. 0:04:55.184 --> 0:04:57.664 Okay, well, I mean hold this space. Next week, I 0:04:57.744 --> 0:05:00.464 might be sitting in this seat again, going yeap, oh god, 0:05:00.664 --> 0:05:03.704 I just I simply cannot. I've had to bleach my eyeballs. 0:05:04.104 --> 0:05:11.664 You've come back on the incest treen to my hands up, 0:05:11.984 --> 0:05:12.584 did did it? 0:05:12.784 --> 0:05:15.344 That's not the lyrics is yeah, oh it is pretty much. 0:05:17.664 --> 0:05:20.144 It's like Lizzo's in the frame with us. So yeah, 0:05:20.184 --> 0:05:22.224 if you're a Lizo fan, which I still very much 0:05:22.264 --> 0:05:25.464 call myself a Lizo fan, like her music spanging, she's amazing. 0:05:25.864 --> 0:05:27.664 But if you've been a Lizo fan the last couple 0:05:27.704 --> 0:05:30.464 of years, it has been a little difficult because a 0:05:30.464 --> 0:05:33.224 few years ago a whole bunch of allegations came out 0:05:33.264 --> 0:05:36.824 against her from dances that she had worked with in choreographers, 0:05:37.104 --> 0:05:39.864 which kind of shattered the allusion to some extent for 0:05:39.904 --> 0:05:42.344 a lot of fans who just saw her as like 0:05:42.384 --> 0:05:45.104 she just came across as the most warm, wonderful person, 0:05:45.184 --> 0:05:46.784 this kind of light in show business. 0:05:46.904 --> 0:05:48.664 The end of the day, she's still a business bitch. 0:05:48.824 --> 0:05:49.584 Well that's the thing. 0:05:49.624 --> 0:05:52.144 I mean, some of it's disproven, But where right now 0:05:52.264 --> 0:05:54.024 is that she did kind of go away for a 0:05:54.024 --> 0:05:56.424 little bit. She wasn't touring, she wasn't releasing music, she 0:05:56.464 --> 0:05:59.224 wasn't doing interviews. Off the back of all this drama. 0:05:58.984 --> 0:06:02.504 She was doing the cancelation playbook, which is Disappear. Yes. 0:06:02.824 --> 0:06:04.824 So she went away for a while and recently she's 0:06:04.864 --> 0:06:06.424 come back with a bit of a bang because she's 0:06:06.424 --> 0:06:08.264 got some good career news. She's got a new album 0:06:08.304 --> 0:06:11.224 coming out. But she's also booked her first lead role 0:06:11.264 --> 0:06:14.104 in a movie. So she's set to play Sister Rosetta Tharp, 0:06:14.144 --> 0:06:15.984 Who's someone I didn't know about, but I guess that's 0:06:16.344 --> 0:06:18.104 a great thing when someone has a movie made about 0:06:18.104 --> 0:06:20.584 their life, you get to learn their story. So she's 0:06:20.584 --> 0:06:23.624 an American gospel singer no one as the godmother of rock, 0:06:24.064 --> 0:06:25.944 and Lizo is going to be playing her in a. 0:06:25.904 --> 0:06:28.864 Movie None, I am assuming, So for names, sister. 0:06:28.824 --> 0:06:31.024 I think that's more like her stage name. Oh okay, 0:06:31.024 --> 0:06:32.344 never mind, I mean, I guess we'll know more in 0:06:32.384 --> 0:06:33.864 the movie. Okay, I don't know for sure. This is 0:06:33.864 --> 0:06:35.744 the first I don't want to Kelly, just bloody. Go 0:06:35.784 --> 0:06:38.184 watch the film when it comes out. Well, apparently she 0:06:38.264 --> 0:06:41.664 used like all different versions of music and was you know, 0:06:41.704 --> 0:06:44.384 a turing artists and people loved her. So Lizo shared 0:06:44.424 --> 0:06:47.104 the announcement to her Instagram page. You know how Deadline 0:06:47.144 --> 0:06:49.024 is the first platform to announce they have all the 0:06:49.064 --> 0:06:52.984 exclusives on new movies and what well, a lot of 0:06:53.024 --> 0:06:54.864 actors say they know they've made it when you get 0:06:54.864 --> 0:06:57.704 a Deadline article because they all post the Deadline articles 0:06:57.704 --> 0:07:00.104 to their Instagram. It's like the thing to do to 0:07:00.184 --> 0:07:02.864 show that you're legit. So Lizo posted her first Deadline 0:07:02.944 --> 0:07:06.104 article announcing her as the lead of this movie, and 0:07:06.304 --> 0:07:09.264 in the caption she wrote, black people made rock and roll. Yeah, 0:07:09.584 --> 0:07:11.784 and then she said it's finally out, y'all. I'm so 0:07:11.944 --> 0:07:15.104 excited and honored. It's actually the first time she started 0:07:15.104 --> 0:07:18.384 in a feature film since twenty nineteen Hustlers, although that 0:07:18.464 --> 0:07:20.384 was just more of a bit supporting part. 0:07:20.744 --> 0:07:23.424 So she's the proper lead role. She's the least gonna 0:07:23.424 --> 0:07:25.344 be fantastic, Yeah, I think so. 0:07:25.504 --> 0:07:28.424 And also just a different foray from her. She's obviously 0:07:28.424 --> 0:07:30.744 did her reality TV show, but she's mostly been a 0:07:30.784 --> 0:07:32.864 touring artist and like a few little acting roles here 0:07:32.904 --> 0:07:35.104 and there. So leading a movie is a big deal. 0:07:35.344 --> 0:07:38.904 Obviously, also trying to just really mix things up and 0:07:38.944 --> 0:07:41.424 not just go back to touring and doing the same 0:07:41.464 --> 0:07:44.544 thing that she was doing before she got quote unquote canceled. 0:07:44.704 --> 0:07:47.504 Yes, exactly. So let's get into the cancelation, And I mean, 0:07:47.544 --> 0:07:49.064 I know people always go like I hate that word 0:07:49.144 --> 0:07:51.784 or it's not true, but it has just become like 0:07:51.864 --> 0:07:55.424 a way of explaining when someone goes through an allegation 0:07:55.624 --> 0:07:58.024 and then a backlash and everything that follows, like it 0:07:58.064 --> 0:07:59.904 doesn't mean they're gone for good. It just means they 0:07:59.944 --> 0:08:01.704 go through that public prot I think. 0:08:01.504 --> 0:08:05.744 It's just what we call exactly right, that public pr process. 0:08:06.264 --> 0:08:09.584 When something comes out about someone, you can't go onto 0:08:09.624 --> 0:08:13.544 their social media without the comment sections being absolutely full 0:08:13.544 --> 0:08:17.304 of things about it, and it's all anyone's talking about 0:08:17.344 --> 0:08:20.464 in relation to that person. Of course, they're not canceled 0:08:20.664 --> 0:08:23.144 to take cancel a person, like even the ones that 0:08:23.224 --> 0:08:25.424 we sent to jail, you're not actually canceled. You've still 0:08:25.424 --> 0:08:28.184 got like a mum and people that you can call. 0:08:28.304 --> 0:08:29.944 Like even many of those people come back into the 0:08:29.984 --> 0:08:32.664 spot like it's very much good. As we talked about 0:08:32.664 --> 0:08:33.544 this morning, lots. 0:08:33.424 --> 0:08:35.624 Of people exactly even people who have done way worse 0:08:35.664 --> 0:08:37.344 stuff than Lizard. Because we should say she has not 0:08:37.384 --> 0:08:38.744 been convicted or fowl guilty of it. 0:08:39.024 --> 0:08:40.744 Also wasn't that bad. I don't think it wasn't just 0:08:40.744 --> 0:08:41.864 that she might have been a bit of a mole 0:08:41.984 --> 0:08:43.864 to work for. Let's get into that. 0:08:43.864 --> 0:08:45.624 There's a few different things, and it's good to know 0:08:45.664 --> 0:08:48.944 because also there were so many different allegations from so 0:08:49.144 --> 0:08:51.544 many people that it was definitely, i think, unless you 0:08:51.584 --> 0:08:54.904 were really following all the granular moments, very hard to 0:08:55.024 --> 0:08:59.024 keep track of who was making what allegations. So one 0:08:59.064 --> 0:09:02.184 of the allegations which has recently been dismissed was from 0:09:02.264 --> 0:09:07.144 fashion designer Asher Daniels, who says that Lizzo undersaw a unsafe, 0:09:07.304 --> 0:09:11.624 sexually charged workplace and culture, and she also accused Lizo 0:09:11.664 --> 0:09:15.584 of making racist and fat phobic remarks and also mocking 0:09:15.704 --> 0:09:17.984 other black women in the entourage. This is when they 0:09:17.984 --> 0:09:21.184 were doing the international tour. Lizzo had always said from 0:09:21.184 --> 0:09:23.904 the beginning this was a very absurd publicity stunt, and 0:09:23.944 --> 0:09:27.344 she said that everything that Asha Daniels was saying was untrue, 0:09:27.664 --> 0:09:29.704 and her team at the time came out and said 0:09:29.704 --> 0:09:32.824 that she was a disgruntled former employee who was just 0:09:32.864 --> 0:09:36.064 out to make delicious claims. So that one has actually 0:09:36.064 --> 0:09:39.304 recently been dismissed only because it was found that it 0:09:39.344 --> 0:09:42.704 was actually the touring and payroll company who was the 0:09:42.784 --> 0:09:46.664 defendant In the ongoing case. So the judge has granted 0:09:46.704 --> 0:09:49.344 a partial motion to dismiss a lot of the claims 0:09:49.784 --> 0:09:53.584 just because they're saying that technically Lizzo wasn't the employer, Like, 0:09:53.624 --> 0:09:55.744 I'm really breaking this down to a granular level. 0:09:55.504 --> 0:09:57.024 But I'm enjoying it. 0:09:57.144 --> 0:10:00.224 I did not know this because it wasn't actually Lizo, 0:10:00.304 --> 0:10:02.784 that she can sue for the unsafe working conditions is 0:10:02.784 --> 0:10:05.864 what they found. It's the tour company, and because it 0:10:05.904 --> 0:10:10.104 was a European tour company, American laws do not apply. Okay, 0:10:10.344 --> 0:10:13.624 so that's been partially dismissed. But also three of Lizzo's 0:10:13.704 --> 0:10:17.264 former tour dancers sue The Star over a year ago 0:10:17.424 --> 0:10:20.544 now and accused her of sexual harassment and fat shaming 0:10:20.624 --> 0:10:23.704 over multiple incidents that they say that took place from 0:10:23.784 --> 0:10:26.704 twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three. And a lot 0:10:26.704 --> 0:10:29.184 of those stories and accusations from these women are very 0:10:29.224 --> 0:10:32.024 wild about things that happen behind the TV show they 0:10:32.064 --> 0:10:35.184 were on. Oh that just that she would make terrible 0:10:35.224 --> 0:10:37.784 remarks about what they looked like, that she would be 0:10:37.784 --> 0:10:40.424 fat shaming towards them, that she would be like critical 0:10:40.424 --> 0:10:43.264 of how they looked. Not a chance all these there's 0:10:43.264 --> 0:10:45.544 also allegations that she took them to a sex club 0:10:45.544 --> 0:10:47.384 when they were touring, and that she made them do 0:10:47.464 --> 0:10:49.824 things they were uncomfortable with. It's all these kind of 0:10:49.864 --> 0:10:52.904 different stories of like you're hearing, like Lizo's saying like, 0:10:52.984 --> 0:10:55.304 this is what happened, this is what I saw, their 0:10:55.384 --> 0:10:57.424 saying this is false. And then you have these other 0:10:57.464 --> 0:11:00.864 three dancers saying that they were treated terribly. They were like, 0:11:01.104 --> 0:11:03.344 you know, she'd scream at them and treat them badly 0:11:03.464 --> 0:11:05.704 and make sexual remarks about that. 0:11:05.824 --> 0:11:07.744 We all been to a strip club or a sex 0:11:07.784 --> 0:11:10.584 show with a boss before. And then I mean, I 0:11:10.584 --> 0:11:12.424 feel like you have this bonding. 0:11:12.744 --> 0:11:16.144 Yeah, I mean again, you work in entertainment media marketing, 0:11:16.304 --> 0:11:19.464 like you actually do some weird things, really weird. 0:11:19.344 --> 0:11:20.784 Stuff with someple you work with. 0:11:20.944 --> 0:11:23.464 Some people on Liza's team have said this, so obviously 0:11:23.504 --> 0:11:26.744 all accusations at this point, this particular case, I think 0:11:26.744 --> 0:11:28.624 it might stretch on for a few years because there's 0:11:28.624 --> 0:11:30.064 so many different evidences and people. 0:11:29.864 --> 0:11:30.624 That they have to talk to. 0:11:31.144 --> 0:11:33.624 But some people on Lizzo's team have said that, yeah, 0:11:33.664 --> 0:11:36.624 you're touring and like you'll go to a strip club 0:11:36.704 --> 0:11:38.384 or a sex club or something like that, and it's 0:11:38.384 --> 0:11:41.504 meant to be like a bonding experience. Again, not discounting 0:11:41.504 --> 0:11:43.584 what those women have said, because we don't know what happened, 0:11:44.024 --> 0:11:46.584 but their side of the story is that Lizo was 0:11:46.584 --> 0:11:48.024 trying to, like, you know, take them all for a 0:11:48.024 --> 0:11:50.144 fun night, and no one was pushed into anything. But 0:11:50.184 --> 0:11:52.824 it was a bonding experience, and what happens on tour 0:11:53.544 --> 0:11:54.544 probably times a bit wild. 0:11:54.624 --> 0:11:56.584 The way that I imagine it went was just that they 0:11:56.584 --> 0:11:59.224 were super uncomfortable, and I'm so just projecting, but Lizzo 0:11:59.224 --> 0:12:02.304 would have been like, yeah, yeah, h yeah, get her. 0:12:02.384 --> 0:12:04.824 And if they are not into that sort of thing, 0:12:04.864 --> 0:12:07.144 which is totally fine, then obviously then it can be 0:12:07.184 --> 0:12:10.104 taken the wrong way, which is no one's real fault. 0:12:10.184 --> 0:12:13.064 But it's just like, oh god, some people just should 0:12:13.064 --> 0:12:15.184 not be in certain jobs. Yeah exactly. 0:12:15.264 --> 0:12:17.544 It sounds like, I mean, whatever happened behind the scenes, 0:12:17.544 --> 0:12:18.784 we don't know yet, it sounds like it was a 0:12:18.784 --> 0:12:20.944 bit of a wild time. But I think also, I 0:12:20.984 --> 0:12:22.904 don't know if you remember when the allegations came out. 0:12:22.984 --> 0:12:26.584 I remember very vividly because Lizzo was always one of 0:12:26.584 --> 0:12:29.504 those people who like she was the ultimate girls girl. 0:12:29.584 --> 0:12:32.384 She had just put out that reality show searching for 0:12:32.704 --> 0:12:35.544 dancers who could have been in different bodies and plus 0:12:35.544 --> 0:12:37.904 sized bodies and who would be shut out of the industry, 0:12:37.944 --> 0:12:39.624 and she was bringing them on too with her and 0:12:39.664 --> 0:12:42.744 giving them jobs and her music and everything she'd said, 0:12:42.784 --> 0:12:45.304 like she was this whole being that people looked up 0:12:45.304 --> 0:12:48.344 to as almost I guess, looking back now, like almost 0:12:48.464 --> 0:12:50.344 too good to be true in a way, that she 0:12:50.464 --> 0:12:52.224 was this perfect person, Like not that we thought she 0:12:52.304 --> 0:12:56.304 was perfect, but she just set herself apart from other 0:12:56.344 --> 0:12:58.904 celebrities for what she stood for. And so when that 0:12:58.944 --> 0:13:01.184 all came crashing down, I think it hit her fans 0:13:01.224 --> 0:13:02.304 particularly hard. 0:13:02.464 --> 0:13:05.144 Which is actually ridiculous if you think about it, because 0:13:05.184 --> 0:13:08.224 all that proves is it it's true that perfection doesn't exist. 0:13:08.784 --> 0:13:11.384 No one is perfect. You can still be the biggest 0:13:11.384 --> 0:13:14.624 girls girl and a sligh queen an amazing, but still 0:13:14.624 --> 0:13:17.984 have had a couple of issues with people, like every 0:13:17.984 --> 0:13:20.424 single person does in the history of the world, and 0:13:20.504 --> 0:13:22.904 anyone that's gonna arc up about it and get really 0:13:22.944 --> 0:13:26.104 cranky and oh, she's not who we thought we were. 0:13:26.224 --> 0:13:28.624 So you're saying that if you put in a room 0:13:28.704 --> 0:13:31.784 every single person that's ever worked with you in your 0:13:31.904 --> 0:13:34.544 entire life. They're not one person's gonna have a story 0:13:34.584 --> 0:13:38.144 about you or a slight problem with the thing is 0:13:38.144 --> 0:13:40.704 is that you're not a public figure. You don't have 0:13:40.784 --> 0:13:43.344 the world looking up to you as the girl's girl. 0:13:43.824 --> 0:13:47.064 I think maybe people, including myself might have felt differently 0:13:47.064 --> 0:13:49.104 if they were saying she was just a difficult boss, 0:13:49.464 --> 0:13:51.904 she was demanding, she wasn't as friendly, and. 0:13:52.184 --> 0:13:53.224 She's so successful. 0:13:53.344 --> 0:13:55.184 Well, all those things I would have believed, because I 0:13:55.184 --> 0:13:57.384 don't think anyone who's in that area where, like when 0:13:57.424 --> 0:13:59.704 they talk about celebrities, if you're like leading a movie 0:13:59.824 --> 0:14:01.464 or you're the star of a big too like that, 0:14:01.664 --> 0:14:03.664 I don't think you can be a normal person because 0:14:03.664 --> 0:14:06.384 you live in an unnormal world exactly if what they're 0:14:06.384 --> 0:14:08.544 saying is true. And again they're just allegations, but it's 0:14:08.584 --> 0:14:10.504 three of them saying and other people have all so 0:14:11.064 --> 0:14:13.344 corroborated their facts, which is why it's still going through 0:14:13.344 --> 0:14:15.904 the court legal system. Is that she did make a 0:14:15.904 --> 0:14:18.824 lot of fat shaming and body comments, and that I 0:14:18.864 --> 0:14:21.904 find really hard to reconcile my head, because you have 0:14:21.984 --> 0:14:24.544 to have that in your head to put it out there, 0:14:24.584 --> 0:14:27.064 like most people wouldn't even if you're a terrible person, 0:14:27.064 --> 0:14:28.184 you're difficult to work with. 0:14:28.504 --> 0:14:29.864 I think that's a separate. 0:14:29.544 --> 0:14:32.464 Layer of bringing those comments in, and I know it's 0:14:32.544 --> 0:14:34.584 laid because she's had those comments strong at her. 0:14:34.824 --> 0:14:38.104 Well, that's why I don't really understand that, because how 0:14:38.144 --> 0:14:40.584 could you believe that she would be saying fat phobic 0:14:41.104 --> 0:14:45.344 things when she's very fat positive as a fat woman herself, 0:14:45.904 --> 0:14:48.424 loud and proud. Yeah, so it just doesn't really make 0:14:48.464 --> 0:14:49.584 sense to me, I know. 0:14:49.544 --> 0:14:50.944 I mean, and that's the thing I mean, not that 0:14:50.984 --> 0:14:52.504 I want to hear it, but like it'd be interesting 0:14:52.544 --> 0:14:55.144 if there was videos or transcripts or anything to kind 0:14:55.144 --> 0:14:57.544 of know what she was saying, because it's interesting because 0:14:57.544 --> 0:14:59.504 no matter what size you are, I think, like, because 0:14:59.704 --> 0:15:02.064 the world we live in is so fat phobic, there's 0:15:02.104 --> 0:15:04.424 just different things that are ingrained now way of thinking 0:15:04.424 --> 0:15:06.744 that we might not even know that we're saying just 0:15:06.744 --> 0:15:08.064 because that's how people talk. 0:15:08.304 --> 0:15:12.224 But also for things consider joke, Yeah, exactly might be 0:15:12.264 --> 0:15:16.064 like I can joke about this because I'm she could 0:15:16.104 --> 0:15:18.264 be like I can make fat jokes I'm fat, but 0:15:18.384 --> 0:15:21.104 like those other people might not see it that way. Yeah, 0:15:21.224 --> 0:15:23.384 that makes sense. Like, so it's like, was it being 0:15:23.384 --> 0:15:26.944 too familiar in a space. That's a hard thing with 0:15:26.984 --> 0:15:29.824 accus there's so much nuance behind it you actually think 0:15:29.864 --> 0:15:30.304 about it. 0:15:30.664 --> 0:15:33.704 Yeah, And I think the hard thing for her too, 0:15:33.744 --> 0:15:36.904 and her public persona is that, yes, you'll bounce back, like, yes, 0:15:36.944 --> 0:15:38.984 she's touring a new album and she's going to be 0:15:38.984 --> 0:15:40.944 in a movie. And I'm sure she could like easily 0:15:40.984 --> 0:15:43.344 still sell out stadiums and I would like one hundred 0:15:43.344 --> 0:15:45.584 percent gone by a ticket to see her. But I 0:15:45.624 --> 0:15:47.944 think a lot of people would have just seen that 0:15:48.104 --> 0:15:51.624 first wave of allegations that happened that week and see 0:15:51.624 --> 0:15:54.064 all these horrible things and not look into it further 0:15:54.104 --> 0:15:56.344 and not be following the news like over a year later, 0:15:56.424 --> 0:15:58.064 So they're always going to think that of her like 0:15:58.064 --> 0:15:59.104 that will never go away. 0:15:59.264 --> 0:16:02.304 And also the thousands and thousands of other people that 0:16:02.344 --> 0:16:03.944 have met her and know her and worked with her 0:16:03.984 --> 0:16:05.344 that don't have anything bad to say. 0:16:05.384 --> 0:16:09.704 Yeah, exactly, no, no, no. Recently, Lizzie was on stage 0:16:09.704 --> 0:16:13.704 and she was and she started talking for really the 0:16:13.704 --> 0:16:16.384 first time that I've seen her talk publicly about what 0:16:16.624 --> 0:16:18.944 she went through in the last year, and it was 0:16:19.144 --> 0:16:21.304 really the most raw I've seen a singer be on 0:16:21.384 --> 0:16:22.744 stage for a long time. 0:16:23.024 --> 0:16:25.624 About a year and a half. I guess I had 0:16:25.824 --> 0:16:36.144 to tell me. I was in such a dark, deep depression. 0:16:37.504 --> 0:16:41.584 I was so heartbroken by the world and so deep 0:16:41.784 --> 0:16:42.264 heard that. 0:16:43.784 --> 0:16:49.504 I didn't want to live in about it. And I 0:16:49.584 --> 0:16:53.104 was so deeply afraid of people that I didn't want 0:16:53.104 --> 0:16:53.584 to be seen. 0:16:55.584 --> 0:17:00.904 And eventually I got over a fear and I went 0:17:00.944 --> 0:17:05.424 to a concept and I like this lived, and. 0:17:05.704 --> 0:17:07.744 I was walking through the crowd to get to. 0:17:07.704 --> 0:17:13.984 My safe something miraculous. Somebody who I didn't know looked 0:17:13.984 --> 0:17:16.264 at me as a liten I love you, and they 0:17:16.344 --> 0:17:20.704 reached out and I reached back and we hurt and 0:17:20.704 --> 0:17:21.864 it felt sold in how good. 0:17:22.744 --> 0:17:24.624 And then it was ten people, and then there was 0:17:24.624 --> 0:17:27.144 one hundred people, and it was a thousand people, and 0:17:27.184 --> 0:17:28.104 then it was ten. 0:17:27.944 --> 0:17:32.344 Thousand people showering me a low and support and reaching 0:17:32.424 --> 0:17:35.624 out and allowing me to reach back out and embracing me. 0:17:36.024 --> 0:17:38.984 And yet was fucking life saving me. 0:17:41.224 --> 0:17:43.184