1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,384 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on. 5 00:00:25,264 --> 00:00:26,064 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. 6 00:00:26,344 --> 00:00:29,624 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm 7 00:00:29,664 --> 00:00:31,144 Speaker 1: more Broadneck and today I'm. 8 00:00:31,064 --> 00:00:32,944 Speaker 2: Joined by I'm Kelly mccaren. 9 00:00:33,064 --> 00:00:35,704 Speaker 1: I love doing a little throw to my mystery guest home. 10 00:00:35,544 --> 00:00:38,224 Speaker 2: Mystery guest while em is what is him doing? She's 11 00:00:38,264 --> 00:00:40,224 Speaker 2: doing some sort of a YouTube course. Yeah, I don't. 12 00:00:40,304 --> 00:00:42,104 Speaker 1: I can't talk about that. I was like, wait to 13 00:00:42,224 --> 00:00:43,984 Speaker 1: sell out our podcast and just go and do something 14 00:00:43,984 --> 00:00:45,384 Speaker 1: completely different for a few week. 15 00:00:45,424 --> 00:00:47,784 Speaker 2: Good for us because I get to dive on in. 16 00:00:47,864 --> 00:00:49,824 Speaker 1: Yes, actually having you here is fun. I just like 17 00:00:49,904 --> 00:00:50,984 Speaker 1: to berate her when I can. 18 00:00:51,104 --> 00:00:53,504 Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough. So what's on the show today? 19 00:00:53,544 --> 00:00:55,944 Speaker 1: Laura coming up on the show today. Lizo is back 20 00:00:55,944 --> 00:00:57,664 Speaker 1: in the headlines for Looks. 21 00:00:58,064 --> 00:00:59,864 Speaker 2: Isn't back baby? She really is. 22 00:00:59,904 --> 00:01:01,904 Speaker 1: She went away for a while, She's come back, and 23 00:01:02,144 --> 00:01:04,704 Speaker 1: because she's Lizo, there's a lot of controversy around her 24 00:01:04,744 --> 00:01:07,544 Speaker 1: new job, her new album, a statement she made on 25 00:01:07,624 --> 00:01:10,864 Speaker 1: stage the other day, her ongoing legal battle into all 26 00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:13,024 Speaker 1: of that. But first, I love that you're always hearing 27 00:01:13,024 --> 00:01:15,104 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Kelly, because there is a day after The 28 00:01:15,104 --> 00:01:18,624 Speaker 1: White Lotus airs on binge here in Australia. So I 29 00:01:18,624 --> 00:01:20,944 Speaker 1: actually didn't get to see the episode last night because 30 00:01:20,944 --> 00:01:23,464 Speaker 1: I was at an event very late last night, very 31 00:01:23,504 --> 00:01:26,104 Speaker 1: early morning interview, and I knew I was going to 32 00:01:26,144 --> 00:01:28,904 Speaker 1: be hit with spoilers, and that's okay. But last time 33 00:01:28,944 --> 00:01:30,104 Speaker 1: you look so angry. 34 00:01:30,464 --> 00:01:34,224 Speaker 2: I'm just dirty. What did I threaten last week? 35 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:34,504 Speaker 3: Well? 36 00:01:34,704 --> 00:01:38,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, people, okay, last week I was sitting here with 37 00:01:38,384 --> 00:01:41,264 Speaker 2: Laura on this very same couch, in these same positions. 38 00:01:41,504 --> 00:01:44,264 Speaker 2: You know what, today, I'm even dressed more White Lotus 39 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:45,424 Speaker 2: than you actually do. 40 00:01:45,544 --> 00:01:47,264 Speaker 1: Look like you could be by the pool of the 41 00:01:47,264 --> 00:01:48,504 Speaker 1: White Lotus and Thailand. 42 00:01:48,664 --> 00:01:52,664 Speaker 2: But I said, did I not? I can't deal with 43 00:01:52,704 --> 00:01:58,104 Speaker 2: their undercurrent incest vibes. If Mike White wants to continue 44 00:01:58,144 --> 00:02:00,944 Speaker 2: down this track, I'm going to have to just bow out. Well, 45 00:02:01,384 --> 00:02:03,984 Speaker 2: after last night's episode, it looks like I shall not 46 00:02:04,024 --> 00:02:07,024 Speaker 2: be finishing the last out of season five. 47 00:02:07,224 --> 00:02:07,504 Speaker 3: That's it. 48 00:02:08,224 --> 00:02:08,464 Speaker 4: Yuck. 49 00:02:10,184 --> 00:02:12,624 Speaker 1: I wish you could see Kelly's face. I'll have to 50 00:02:12,624 --> 00:02:15,304 Speaker 1: take a pot on post it because you just look 51 00:02:15,384 --> 00:02:16,744 Speaker 1: absolutely horrified. 52 00:02:17,384 --> 00:02:20,904 Speaker 2: Yuck. Jess. I'm sorry, but there are a lot of 53 00:02:20,944 --> 00:02:24,064 Speaker 2: storylines that I'm okay with. Incest is not one of them. 54 00:02:24,104 --> 00:02:25,104 Speaker 2: That is yuck. 55 00:02:25,544 --> 00:02:28,344 Speaker 1: Okay, So obviously this is very light spoilers for last night, 56 00:02:28,344 --> 00:02:31,624 Speaker 1: and don't worry for people who haven't can't I your shoes, 57 00:02:31,704 --> 00:02:33,064 Speaker 1: But this is everywhere today. 58 00:02:33,064 --> 00:02:35,464 Speaker 2: You kind of scared. I didn't watch it till this morning, 59 00:02:36,264 --> 00:02:38,984 Speaker 2: so I'd already seen all the incest stuff last night 60 00:02:39,704 --> 00:02:42,224 Speaker 2: or this morning when I was on social, which you know, 61 00:02:42,344 --> 00:02:43,904 Speaker 2: I should have known. I should have known that I 62 00:02:43,904 --> 00:02:46,144 Speaker 2: couldn't deal with it. Didn't have the stomach for it. 63 00:02:46,664 --> 00:02:48,984 Speaker 2: One of the brothers did have a vomit. I was 64 00:02:49,024 --> 00:02:51,624 Speaker 2: with him. I also wanted to have a big vomit. 65 00:02:51,584 --> 00:02:54,064 Speaker 1: Again, if anyone who's not super across the right Loaders. 66 00:02:54,184 --> 00:02:56,304 Speaker 1: But you've seen the memes and everything. This is the 67 00:02:56,384 --> 00:02:58,784 Speaker 1: Ratliffe family in season three of The White Loaders. They're 68 00:02:58,784 --> 00:03:02,504 Speaker 1: the very rich, very white very dad's got. 69 00:03:02,384 --> 00:03:05,624 Speaker 2: The big schlong them, likes to talk about Buddhism, yes, 70 00:03:05,704 --> 00:03:08,184 Speaker 2: the daughter wants to be a very well off family. 71 00:03:08,224 --> 00:03:09,464 Speaker 2: And they've got these two brothers. 72 00:03:09,464 --> 00:03:13,264 Speaker 1: The oldest two's played by Arnold Schwarzenegger's son, and then 73 00:03:13,304 --> 00:03:16,704 Speaker 1: Sam Navola plays the younger brother and there's been this 74 00:03:16,864 --> 00:03:20,344 Speaker 1: underlying incest tension between them, especially in the Younger Brothers 75 00:03:20,424 --> 00:03:23,144 Speaker 1: ed since episode one. At first, I wasn't sure if 76 00:03:23,144 --> 00:03:24,904 Speaker 1: it was just an underlying current and nothing was going 77 00:03:24,944 --> 00:03:25,344 Speaker 1: to come of it. 78 00:03:25,384 --> 00:03:28,744 Speaker 2: But do something to come of it, anything, man, Mike Whitet. 79 00:03:28,784 --> 00:03:31,864 Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything just to dilly dally around with it. 80 00:03:32,304 --> 00:03:34,064 Speaker 2: We should have known. We should have known that he 81 00:03:34,144 --> 00:03:36,784 Speaker 2: was going to commit. He teased us with it, then 82 00:03:36,824 --> 00:03:39,344 Speaker 2: he was going to commit. It was just yuck, not 83 00:03:39,464 --> 00:03:40,184 Speaker 2: okay with it. 84 00:03:40,264 --> 00:03:41,864 Speaker 1: Some people have been saying this season is a bit 85 00:03:41,904 --> 00:03:44,064 Speaker 1: too slow, so now it's kind of really up to 86 00:03:44,064 --> 00:03:44,384 Speaker 1: the ants. 87 00:03:44,384 --> 00:03:46,904 Speaker 2: He don't you think. I just think that you could 88 00:03:46,904 --> 00:03:49,224 Speaker 2: have done a lot of things, but not having brothers 89 00:03:49,304 --> 00:03:51,984 Speaker 2: jack each other off and walk around like they've been 90 00:03:52,064 --> 00:03:52,864 Speaker 2: railed by each. 91 00:03:52,744 --> 00:03:55,944 Speaker 1: Other was not I mean, that's definitely a visual so 92 00:03:56,064 --> 00:03:58,224 Speaker 1: but yes, you're well by this. So I'm hearing this 93 00:03:58,304 --> 00:04:00,584 Speaker 1: from a lot of people. Some people are like not 94 00:04:00,944 --> 00:04:02,264 Speaker 1: loving it, but I guess they're lurry. 95 00:04:02,304 --> 00:04:03,744 Speaker 2: If you're into this, that's weird. 96 00:04:03,784 --> 00:04:05,504 Speaker 1: But I don't think people are into watching that. I 97 00:04:05,504 --> 00:04:08,624 Speaker 1: think that people horrified, but they're also amused and it's 98 00:04:08,664 --> 00:04:11,184 Speaker 1: kind of like, it's almost like an exist reading TV 99 00:04:11,264 --> 00:04:14,104 Speaker 1: experience for some people, because the reason you watch a 100 00:04:14,144 --> 00:04:16,904 Speaker 1: show like The White Lotus is for the shock value 101 00:04:16,904 --> 00:04:18,504 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, and because we're in seasons. 102 00:04:18,504 --> 00:04:21,104 Speaker 2: Really now, yeah, oh I reckon. You watch it because 103 00:04:21,144 --> 00:04:22,744 Speaker 2: you want to enjoy a little bit of drama while 104 00:04:22,744 --> 00:04:25,224 Speaker 2: you watch rich People by Pillar. Yeah exactly. 105 00:04:25,264 --> 00:04:27,944 Speaker 1: But think back to the first season of Like the Managers. 106 00:04:27,984 --> 00:04:30,024 Speaker 1: To Mary Butler's character, it was the only wild sex 107 00:04:30,064 --> 00:04:30,664 Speaker 1: and the people. 108 00:04:30,424 --> 00:04:32,864 Speaker 2: Will Oh I forgot about that. The only thing I 109 00:04:32,904 --> 00:04:35,624 Speaker 2: remembered from that season was him shitting in someone suit. 110 00:04:35,824 --> 00:04:37,544 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that too. But this is what I'm saying. 111 00:04:37,544 --> 00:04:40,024 Speaker 1: It has all these kind of crazy moments. Yeah, that's true, 112 00:04:40,064 --> 00:04:42,504 Speaker 1: and the feedback on this season was not crazy enough. 113 00:04:42,544 --> 00:04:44,624 Speaker 2: And I'm sure Mike White was watching all of that. 114 00:04:44,704 --> 00:04:46,824 Speaker 2: Oh so then he was like, Okay, let's get one 115 00:04:46,864 --> 00:04:48,904 Speaker 2: brother to jack off the other brother. Yeah. 116 00:04:48,984 --> 00:04:50,584 Speaker 1: But I mean again, you don't have to like what 117 00:04:50,704 --> 00:04:53,504 Speaker 1: characters do, right, It's about watching the lives of people 118 00:04:53,504 --> 00:04:54,744 Speaker 1: you would never interact with. 119 00:04:55,184 --> 00:04:57,664 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean hold this space. Next week, I 120 00:04:57,744 --> 00:05:00,464 Speaker 2: might be sitting in this seat again, going yeap, oh god, 121 00:05:00,664 --> 00:05:03,704 Speaker 2: I just I simply cannot. I've had to bleach my eyeballs. 122 00:05:04,104 --> 00:05:11,664 Speaker 2: You've come back on the incest treen to my hands up, 123 00:05:11,984 --> 00:05:12,584 Speaker 2: did did it? 124 00:05:12,784 --> 00:05:15,344 Speaker 1: That's not the lyrics is yeah, oh it is pretty much. 125 00:05:17,664 --> 00:05:20,144 Speaker 1: It's like Lizzo's in the frame with us. So yeah, 126 00:05:20,184 --> 00:05:22,224 Speaker 1: if you're a Lizo fan, which I still very much 127 00:05:22,264 --> 00:05:25,464 Speaker 1: call myself a Lizo fan, like her music spanging, she's amazing. 128 00:05:25,864 --> 00:05:27,664 Speaker 1: But if you've been a Lizo fan the last couple 129 00:05:27,704 --> 00:05:30,464 Speaker 1: of years, it has been a little difficult because a 130 00:05:30,464 --> 00:05:33,224 Speaker 1: few years ago a whole bunch of allegations came out 131 00:05:33,264 --> 00:05:36,824 Speaker 1: against her from dances that she had worked with in choreographers, 132 00:05:37,104 --> 00:05:39,864 Speaker 1: which kind of shattered the allusion to some extent for 133 00:05:39,904 --> 00:05:42,344 Speaker 1: a lot of fans who just saw her as like 134 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:45,104 Speaker 1: she just came across as the most warm, wonderful person, 135 00:05:45,184 --> 00:05:46,784 Speaker 1: this kind of light in show business. 136 00:05:46,904 --> 00:05:48,664 Speaker 2: The end of the day, she's still a business bitch. 137 00:05:48,824 --> 00:05:49,584 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. 138 00:05:49,624 --> 00:05:52,144 Speaker 1: I mean, some of it's disproven, But where right now 139 00:05:52,264 --> 00:05:54,024 Speaker 1: is that she did kind of go away for a 140 00:05:54,024 --> 00:05:56,424 Speaker 1: little bit. She wasn't touring, she wasn't releasing music, she 141 00:05:56,464 --> 00:05:59,224 Speaker 1: wasn't doing interviews. Off the back of all this drama. 142 00:05:58,984 --> 00:06:02,504 Speaker 2: She was doing the cancelation playbook, which is Disappear. Yes. 143 00:06:02,824 --> 00:06:04,824 Speaker 1: So she went away for a while and recently she's 144 00:06:04,864 --> 00:06:06,424 Speaker 1: come back with a bit of a bang because she's 145 00:06:06,424 --> 00:06:08,264 Speaker 1: got some good career news. She's got a new album 146 00:06:08,304 --> 00:06:11,224 Speaker 1: coming out. But she's also booked her first lead role 147 00:06:11,264 --> 00:06:14,104 Speaker 1: in a movie. So she's set to play Sister Rosetta Tharp, 148 00:06:14,144 --> 00:06:15,984 Speaker 1: Who's someone I didn't know about, but I guess that's 149 00:06:16,344 --> 00:06:18,104 Speaker 1: a great thing when someone has a movie made about 150 00:06:18,104 --> 00:06:20,584 Speaker 1: their life, you get to learn their story. So she's 151 00:06:20,584 --> 00:06:23,624 Speaker 1: an American gospel singer no one as the godmother of rock, 152 00:06:24,064 --> 00:06:25,944 Speaker 1: and Lizo is going to be playing her in a. 153 00:06:25,904 --> 00:06:28,864 Speaker 2: Movie None, I am assuming, So for names, sister. 154 00:06:28,824 --> 00:06:31,024 Speaker 1: I think that's more like her stage name. Oh okay, 155 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:32,344 Speaker 1: never mind, I mean, I guess we'll know more in 156 00:06:32,384 --> 00:06:33,864 Speaker 1: the movie. Okay, I don't know for sure. This is 157 00:06:33,864 --> 00:06:35,744 Speaker 1: the first I don't want to Kelly, just bloody. Go 158 00:06:35,784 --> 00:06:38,184 Speaker 1: watch the film when it comes out. Well, apparently she 159 00:06:38,264 --> 00:06:41,664 Speaker 1: used like all different versions of music and was you know, 160 00:06:41,704 --> 00:06:44,384 Speaker 1: a turing artists and people loved her. So Lizo shared 161 00:06:44,424 --> 00:06:47,104 Speaker 1: the announcement to her Instagram page. You know how Deadline 162 00:06:47,144 --> 00:06:49,024 Speaker 1: is the first platform to announce they have all the 163 00:06:49,064 --> 00:06:52,984 Speaker 1: exclusives on new movies and what well, a lot of 164 00:06:53,024 --> 00:06:54,864 Speaker 1: actors say they know they've made it when you get 165 00:06:54,864 --> 00:06:57,704 Speaker 1: a Deadline article because they all post the Deadline articles 166 00:06:57,704 --> 00:07:00,104 Speaker 1: to their Instagram. It's like the thing to do to 167 00:07:00,184 --> 00:07:02,864 Speaker 1: show that you're legit. So Lizo posted her first Deadline 168 00:07:02,944 --> 00:07:06,104 Speaker 1: article announcing her as the lead of this movie, and 169 00:07:06,304 --> 00:07:09,264 Speaker 1: in the caption she wrote, black people made rock and roll. Yeah, 170 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:11,784 Speaker 1: and then she said it's finally out, y'all. I'm so 171 00:07:11,944 --> 00:07:15,104 Speaker 1: excited and honored. It's actually the first time she started 172 00:07:15,104 --> 00:07:18,384 Speaker 1: in a feature film since twenty nineteen Hustlers, although that 173 00:07:18,464 --> 00:07:20,384 Speaker 1: was just more of a bit supporting part. 174 00:07:20,744 --> 00:07:23,424 Speaker 2: So she's the proper lead role. She's the least gonna 175 00:07:23,424 --> 00:07:25,344 Speaker 2: be fantastic, Yeah, I think so. 176 00:07:25,504 --> 00:07:28,424 Speaker 1: And also just a different foray from her. She's obviously 177 00:07:28,424 --> 00:07:30,744 Speaker 1: did her reality TV show, but she's mostly been a 178 00:07:30,784 --> 00:07:32,864 Speaker 1: touring artist and like a few little acting roles here 179 00:07:32,904 --> 00:07:35,104 Speaker 1: and there. So leading a movie is a big deal. 180 00:07:35,344 --> 00:07:38,904 Speaker 2: Obviously, also trying to just really mix things up and 181 00:07:38,944 --> 00:07:41,424 Speaker 2: not just go back to touring and doing the same 182 00:07:41,464 --> 00:07:44,544 Speaker 2: thing that she was doing before she got quote unquote canceled. 183 00:07:44,704 --> 00:07:47,504 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So let's get into the cancelation, And I mean, 184 00:07:47,544 --> 00:07:49,064 Speaker 1: I know people always go like I hate that word 185 00:07:49,144 --> 00:07:51,784 Speaker 1: or it's not true, but it has just become like 186 00:07:51,864 --> 00:07:55,424 Speaker 1: a way of explaining when someone goes through an allegation 187 00:07:55,624 --> 00:07:58,024 Speaker 1: and then a backlash and everything that follows, like it 188 00:07:58,064 --> 00:07:59,904 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're gone for good. It just means they 189 00:07:59,944 --> 00:08:01,704 Speaker 1: go through that public prot I think. 190 00:08:01,504 --> 00:08:05,744 Speaker 2: It's just what we call exactly right, that public pr process. 191 00:08:06,264 --> 00:08:09,584 Speaker 2: When something comes out about someone, you can't go onto 192 00:08:09,624 --> 00:08:13,544 Speaker 2: their social media without the comment sections being absolutely full 193 00:08:13,544 --> 00:08:17,304 Speaker 2: of things about it, and it's all anyone's talking about 194 00:08:17,344 --> 00:08:20,464 Speaker 2: in relation to that person. Of course, they're not canceled 195 00:08:20,664 --> 00:08:23,144 Speaker 2: to take cancel a person, like even the ones that 196 00:08:23,224 --> 00:08:25,424 Speaker 2: we sent to jail, you're not actually canceled. You've still 197 00:08:25,424 --> 00:08:28,184 Speaker 2: got like a mum and people that you can call. 198 00:08:28,304 --> 00:08:29,944 Speaker 2: Like even many of those people come back into the 199 00:08:29,984 --> 00:08:32,664 Speaker 2: spot like it's very much good. As we talked about 200 00:08:32,664 --> 00:08:33,544 Speaker 2: this morning, lots. 201 00:08:33,424 --> 00:08:35,624 Speaker 1: Of people exactly even people who have done way worse 202 00:08:35,664 --> 00:08:37,344 Speaker 1: stuff than Lizard. Because we should say she has not 203 00:08:37,384 --> 00:08:38,744 Speaker 1: been convicted or fowl guilty of it. 204 00:08:39,024 --> 00:08:40,744 Speaker 2: Also wasn't that bad. I don't think it wasn't just 205 00:08:40,744 --> 00:08:41,864 Speaker 2: that she might have been a bit of a mole 206 00:08:41,984 --> 00:08:43,864 Speaker 2: to work for. Let's get into that. 207 00:08:43,864 --> 00:08:45,624 Speaker 1: There's a few different things, and it's good to know 208 00:08:45,664 --> 00:08:48,944 Speaker 1: because also there were so many different allegations from so 209 00:08:49,144 --> 00:08:51,544 Speaker 1: many people that it was definitely, i think, unless you 210 00:08:51,584 --> 00:08:54,904 Speaker 1: were really following all the granular moments, very hard to 211 00:08:55,024 --> 00:08:59,024 Speaker 1: keep track of who was making what allegations. So one 212 00:08:59,064 --> 00:09:02,184 Speaker 1: of the allegations which has recently been dismissed was from 213 00:09:02,264 --> 00:09:07,144 Speaker 1: fashion designer Asher Daniels, who says that Lizzo undersaw a unsafe, 214 00:09:07,304 --> 00:09:11,624 Speaker 1: sexually charged workplace and culture, and she also accused Lizo 215 00:09:11,664 --> 00:09:15,584 Speaker 1: of making racist and fat phobic remarks and also mocking 216 00:09:15,704 --> 00:09:17,984 Speaker 1: other black women in the entourage. This is when they 217 00:09:17,984 --> 00:09:21,184 Speaker 1: were doing the international tour. Lizzo had always said from 218 00:09:21,184 --> 00:09:23,904 Speaker 1: the beginning this was a very absurd publicity stunt, and 219 00:09:23,944 --> 00:09:27,344 Speaker 1: she said that everything that Asha Daniels was saying was untrue, 220 00:09:27,664 --> 00:09:29,704 Speaker 1: and her team at the time came out and said 221 00:09:29,704 --> 00:09:32,824 Speaker 1: that she was a disgruntled former employee who was just 222 00:09:32,864 --> 00:09:36,064 Speaker 1: out to make delicious claims. So that one has actually 223 00:09:36,064 --> 00:09:39,304 Speaker 1: recently been dismissed only because it was found that it 224 00:09:39,344 --> 00:09:42,704 Speaker 1: was actually the touring and payroll company who was the 225 00:09:42,784 --> 00:09:46,664 Speaker 1: defendant In the ongoing case. So the judge has granted 226 00:09:46,704 --> 00:09:49,344 Speaker 1: a partial motion to dismiss a lot of the claims 227 00:09:49,784 --> 00:09:53,584 Speaker 1: just because they're saying that technically Lizzo wasn't the employer, Like, 228 00:09:53,624 --> 00:09:55,744 Speaker 1: I'm really breaking this down to a granular level. 229 00:09:55,504 --> 00:09:57,024 Speaker 2: But I'm enjoying it. 230 00:09:57,144 --> 00:10:00,224 Speaker 1: I did not know this because it wasn't actually Lizo, 231 00:10:00,304 --> 00:10:02,784 Speaker 1: that she can sue for the unsafe working conditions is 232 00:10:02,784 --> 00:10:05,864 Speaker 1: what they found. It's the tour company, and because it 233 00:10:05,904 --> 00:10:10,104 Speaker 1: was a European tour company, American laws do not apply. Okay, 234 00:10:10,344 --> 00:10:13,624 Speaker 1: so that's been partially dismissed. But also three of Lizzo's 235 00:10:13,704 --> 00:10:17,264 Speaker 1: former tour dancers sue The Star over a year ago 236 00:10:17,424 --> 00:10:20,544 Speaker 1: now and accused her of sexual harassment and fat shaming 237 00:10:20,624 --> 00:10:23,704 Speaker 1: over multiple incidents that they say that took place from 238 00:10:23,784 --> 00:10:26,704 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three. And a lot 239 00:10:26,704 --> 00:10:29,184 Speaker 1: of those stories and accusations from these women are very 240 00:10:29,224 --> 00:10:32,024 Speaker 1: wild about things that happen behind the TV show they 241 00:10:32,064 --> 00:10:35,184 Speaker 1: were on. Oh that just that she would make terrible 242 00:10:35,224 --> 00:10:37,784 Speaker 1: remarks about what they looked like, that she would be 243 00:10:37,784 --> 00:10:40,424 Speaker 1: fat shaming towards them, that she would be like critical 244 00:10:40,424 --> 00:10:43,264 Speaker 1: of how they looked. Not a chance all these there's 245 00:10:43,264 --> 00:10:45,544 Speaker 1: also allegations that she took them to a sex club 246 00:10:45,544 --> 00:10:47,384 Speaker 1: when they were touring, and that she made them do 247 00:10:47,464 --> 00:10:49,824 Speaker 1: things they were uncomfortable with. It's all these kind of 248 00:10:49,864 --> 00:10:52,904 Speaker 1: different stories of like you're hearing, like Lizo's saying like, 249 00:10:52,984 --> 00:10:55,304 Speaker 1: this is what happened, this is what I saw, their 250 00:10:55,384 --> 00:10:57,424 Speaker 1: saying this is false. And then you have these other 251 00:10:57,464 --> 00:11:00,864 Speaker 1: three dancers saying that they were treated terribly. They were like, 252 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:03,344 Speaker 1: you know, she'd scream at them and treat them badly 253 00:11:03,464 --> 00:11:05,704 Speaker 1: and make sexual remarks about that. 254 00:11:05,824 --> 00:11:07,744 Speaker 2: We all been to a strip club or a sex 255 00:11:07,784 --> 00:11:10,584 Speaker 2: show with a boss before. And then I mean, I 256 00:11:10,584 --> 00:11:12,424 Speaker 2: feel like you have this bonding. 257 00:11:12,744 --> 00:11:16,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, you work in entertainment media marketing, 258 00:11:16,304 --> 00:11:19,464 Speaker 1: like you actually do some weird things, really weird. 259 00:11:19,344 --> 00:11:20,784 Speaker 2: Stuff with someple you work with. 260 00:11:20,944 --> 00:11:23,464 Speaker 1: Some people on Liza's team have said this, so obviously 261 00:11:23,504 --> 00:11:26,744 Speaker 1: all accusations at this point, this particular case, I think 262 00:11:26,744 --> 00:11:28,624 Speaker 1: it might stretch on for a few years because there's 263 00:11:28,624 --> 00:11:30,064 Speaker 1: so many different evidences and people. 264 00:11:29,864 --> 00:11:30,624 Speaker 2: That they have to talk to. 265 00:11:31,144 --> 00:11:33,624 Speaker 1: But some people on Lizzo's team have said that, yeah, 266 00:11:33,664 --> 00:11:36,624 Speaker 1: you're touring and like you'll go to a strip club 267 00:11:36,704 --> 00:11:38,384 Speaker 1: or a sex club or something like that, and it's 268 00:11:38,384 --> 00:11:41,504 Speaker 1: meant to be like a bonding experience. Again, not discounting 269 00:11:41,504 --> 00:11:43,584 Speaker 1: what those women have said, because we don't know what happened, 270 00:11:44,024 --> 00:11:46,584 Speaker 1: but their side of the story is that Lizo was 271 00:11:46,584 --> 00:11:48,024 Speaker 1: trying to, like, you know, take them all for a 272 00:11:48,024 --> 00:11:50,144 Speaker 1: fun night, and no one was pushed into anything. But 273 00:11:50,184 --> 00:11:52,824 Speaker 1: it was a bonding experience, and what happens on tour 274 00:11:53,544 --> 00:11:54,544 Speaker 1: probably times a bit wild. 275 00:11:54,624 --> 00:11:56,584 Speaker 2: The way that I imagine it went was just that they 276 00:11:56,584 --> 00:11:59,224 Speaker 2: were super uncomfortable, and I'm so just projecting, but Lizzo 277 00:11:59,224 --> 00:12:02,304 Speaker 2: would have been like, yeah, yeah, h yeah, get her. 278 00:12:02,384 --> 00:12:04,824 Speaker 2: And if they are not into that sort of thing, 279 00:12:04,864 --> 00:12:07,144 Speaker 2: which is totally fine, then obviously then it can be 280 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:10,104 Speaker 2: taken the wrong way, which is no one's real fault. 281 00:12:10,184 --> 00:12:13,064 Speaker 2: But it's just like, oh god, some people just should 282 00:12:13,064 --> 00:12:15,184 Speaker 2: not be in certain jobs. Yeah exactly. 283 00:12:15,264 --> 00:12:17,544 Speaker 1: It sounds like, I mean, whatever happened behind the scenes, 284 00:12:17,544 --> 00:12:18,784 Speaker 1: we don't know yet, it sounds like it was a 285 00:12:18,784 --> 00:12:20,944 Speaker 1: bit of a wild time. But I think also, I 286 00:12:20,984 --> 00:12:22,904 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember when the allegations came out. 287 00:12:22,984 --> 00:12:26,584 Speaker 1: I remember very vividly because Lizzo was always one of 288 00:12:26,584 --> 00:12:29,504 Speaker 1: those people who like she was the ultimate girls girl. 289 00:12:29,584 --> 00:12:32,384 Speaker 1: She had just put out that reality show searching for 290 00:12:32,704 --> 00:12:35,544 Speaker 1: dancers who could have been in different bodies and plus 291 00:12:35,544 --> 00:12:37,904 Speaker 1: sized bodies and who would be shut out of the industry, 292 00:12:37,944 --> 00:12:39,624 Speaker 1: and she was bringing them on too with her and 293 00:12:39,664 --> 00:12:42,744 Speaker 1: giving them jobs and her music and everything she'd said, 294 00:12:42,784 --> 00:12:45,304 Speaker 1: like she was this whole being that people looked up 295 00:12:45,304 --> 00:12:48,344 Speaker 1: to as almost I guess, looking back now, like almost 296 00:12:48,464 --> 00:12:50,344 Speaker 1: too good to be true in a way, that she 297 00:12:50,464 --> 00:12:52,224 Speaker 1: was this perfect person, Like not that we thought she 298 00:12:52,304 --> 00:12:56,304 Speaker 1: was perfect, but she just set herself apart from other 299 00:12:56,344 --> 00:12:58,904 Speaker 1: celebrities for what she stood for. And so when that 300 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:01,184 Speaker 1: all came crashing down, I think it hit her fans 301 00:13:01,224 --> 00:13:02,304 Speaker 1: particularly hard. 302 00:13:02,464 --> 00:13:05,144 Speaker 2: Which is actually ridiculous if you think about it, because 303 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:08,224 Speaker 2: all that proves is it it's true that perfection doesn't exist. 304 00:13:08,784 --> 00:13:11,384 Speaker 2: No one is perfect. You can still be the biggest 305 00:13:11,384 --> 00:13:14,624 Speaker 2: girls girl and a sligh queen an amazing, but still 306 00:13:14,624 --> 00:13:17,984 Speaker 2: have had a couple of issues with people, like every 307 00:13:17,984 --> 00:13:20,424 Speaker 2: single person does in the history of the world, and 308 00:13:20,504 --> 00:13:22,904 Speaker 2: anyone that's gonna arc up about it and get really 309 00:13:22,944 --> 00:13:26,104 Speaker 2: cranky and oh, she's not who we thought we were. 310 00:13:26,224 --> 00:13:28,624 Speaker 2: So you're saying that if you put in a room 311 00:13:28,704 --> 00:13:31,784 Speaker 2: every single person that's ever worked with you in your 312 00:13:31,904 --> 00:13:34,544 Speaker 2: entire life. They're not one person's gonna have a story 313 00:13:34,584 --> 00:13:38,144 Speaker 2: about you or a slight problem with the thing is 314 00:13:38,144 --> 00:13:40,704 Speaker 2: is that you're not a public figure. You don't have 315 00:13:40,784 --> 00:13:43,344 Speaker 2: the world looking up to you as the girl's girl. 316 00:13:43,824 --> 00:13:47,064 Speaker 1: I think maybe people, including myself might have felt differently 317 00:13:47,064 --> 00:13:49,104 Speaker 1: if they were saying she was just a difficult boss, 318 00:13:49,464 --> 00:13:51,904 Speaker 1: she was demanding, she wasn't as friendly, and. 319 00:13:52,184 --> 00:13:53,224 Speaker 2: She's so successful. 320 00:13:53,344 --> 00:13:55,184 Speaker 1: Well, all those things I would have believed, because I 321 00:13:55,184 --> 00:13:57,384 Speaker 1: don't think anyone who's in that area where, like when 322 00:13:57,424 --> 00:13:59,704 Speaker 1: they talk about celebrities, if you're like leading a movie 323 00:13:59,824 --> 00:14:01,464 Speaker 1: or you're the star of a big too like that, 324 00:14:01,664 --> 00:14:03,664 Speaker 1: I don't think you can be a normal person because 325 00:14:03,664 --> 00:14:06,384 Speaker 1: you live in an unnormal world exactly if what they're 326 00:14:06,384 --> 00:14:08,544 Speaker 1: saying is true. And again they're just allegations, but it's 327 00:14:08,584 --> 00:14:10,504 Speaker 1: three of them saying and other people have all so 328 00:14:11,064 --> 00:14:13,344 Speaker 1: corroborated their facts, which is why it's still going through 329 00:14:13,344 --> 00:14:15,904 Speaker 1: the court legal system. Is that she did make a 330 00:14:15,904 --> 00:14:18,824 Speaker 1: lot of fat shaming and body comments, and that I 331 00:14:18,864 --> 00:14:21,904 Speaker 1: find really hard to reconcile my head, because you have 332 00:14:21,984 --> 00:14:24,544 Speaker 1: to have that in your head to put it out there, 333 00:14:24,584 --> 00:14:27,064 Speaker 1: like most people wouldn't even if you're a terrible person, 334 00:14:27,064 --> 00:14:28,184 Speaker 1: you're difficult to work with. 335 00:14:28,504 --> 00:14:29,864 Speaker 2: I think that's a separate. 336 00:14:29,544 --> 00:14:32,464 Speaker 1: Layer of bringing those comments in, and I know it's 337 00:14:32,544 --> 00:14:34,584 Speaker 1: laid because she's had those comments strong at her. 338 00:14:34,824 --> 00:14:38,104 Speaker 2: Well, that's why I don't really understand that, because how 339 00:14:38,144 --> 00:14:40,584 Speaker 2: could you believe that she would be saying fat phobic 340 00:14:41,104 --> 00:14:45,344 Speaker 2: things when she's very fat positive as a fat woman herself, 341 00:14:45,904 --> 00:14:48,424 Speaker 2: loud and proud. Yeah, so it just doesn't really make 342 00:14:48,464 --> 00:14:49,584 Speaker 2: sense to me, I know. 343 00:14:49,544 --> 00:14:50,944 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the thing I mean, not that 344 00:14:50,984 --> 00:14:52,504 Speaker 1: I want to hear it, but like it'd be interesting 345 00:14:52,544 --> 00:14:55,144 Speaker 1: if there was videos or transcripts or anything to kind 346 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:57,544 Speaker 1: of know what she was saying, because it's interesting because 347 00:14:57,544 --> 00:14:59,504 Speaker 1: no matter what size you are, I think, like, because 348 00:14:59,704 --> 00:15:02,064 Speaker 1: the world we live in is so fat phobic, there's 349 00:15:02,104 --> 00:15:04,424 Speaker 1: just different things that are ingrained now way of thinking 350 00:15:04,424 --> 00:15:06,744 Speaker 1: that we might not even know that we're saying just 351 00:15:06,744 --> 00:15:08,064 Speaker 1: because that's how people talk. 352 00:15:08,304 --> 00:15:12,224 Speaker 2: But also for things consider joke, Yeah, exactly might be 353 00:15:12,264 --> 00:15:16,064 Speaker 2: like I can joke about this because I'm she could 354 00:15:16,104 --> 00:15:18,264 Speaker 2: be like I can make fat jokes I'm fat, but 355 00:15:18,384 --> 00:15:21,104 Speaker 2: like those other people might not see it that way. Yeah, 356 00:15:21,224 --> 00:15:23,384 Speaker 2: that makes sense. Like, so it's like, was it being 357 00:15:23,384 --> 00:15:26,944 Speaker 2: too familiar in a space. That's a hard thing with 358 00:15:26,984 --> 00:15:29,824 Speaker 2: accus there's so much nuance behind it you actually think 359 00:15:29,864 --> 00:15:30,304 Speaker 2: about it. 360 00:15:30,664 --> 00:15:33,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the hard thing for her too, 361 00:15:33,744 --> 00:15:36,904 Speaker 1: and her public persona is that, yes, you'll bounce back, like, yes, 362 00:15:36,944 --> 00:15:38,984 Speaker 1: she's touring a new album and she's going to be 363 00:15:38,984 --> 00:15:40,944 Speaker 1: in a movie. And I'm sure she could like easily 364 00:15:40,984 --> 00:15:43,344 Speaker 1: still sell out stadiums and I would like one hundred 365 00:15:43,344 --> 00:15:45,584 Speaker 1: percent gone by a ticket to see her. But I 366 00:15:45,624 --> 00:15:47,944 Speaker 1: think a lot of people would have just seen that 367 00:15:48,104 --> 00:15:51,624 Speaker 1: first wave of allegations that happened that week and see 368 00:15:51,624 --> 00:15:54,064 Speaker 1: all these horrible things and not look into it further 369 00:15:54,104 --> 00:15:56,344 Speaker 1: and not be following the news like over a year later, 370 00:15:56,424 --> 00:15:58,064 Speaker 1: So they're always going to think that of her like 371 00:15:58,064 --> 00:15:59,104 Speaker 1: that will never go away. 372 00:15:59,264 --> 00:16:02,304 Speaker 2: And also the thousands and thousands of other people that 373 00:16:02,344 --> 00:16:03,944 Speaker 2: have met her and know her and worked with her 374 00:16:03,984 --> 00:16:05,344 Speaker 2: that don't have anything bad to say. 375 00:16:05,384 --> 00:16:09,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, no, no, no. Recently, Lizzie was on stage 376 00:16:09,704 --> 00:16:13,704 Speaker 1: and she was and she started talking for really the 377 00:16:13,704 --> 00:16:16,384 Speaker 1: first time that I've seen her talk publicly about what 378 00:16:16,624 --> 00:16:18,944 Speaker 1: she went through in the last year, and it was 379 00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:21,304 Speaker 1: really the most raw I've seen a singer be on 380 00:16:21,384 --> 00:16:22,744 Speaker 1: stage for a long time. 381 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:25,624 Speaker 3: About a year and a half. I guess I had 382 00:16:25,824 --> 00:16:36,144 Speaker 3: to tell me. I was in such a dark, deep depression. 383 00:16:37,504 --> 00:16:41,584 Speaker 4: I was so heartbroken by the world and so deep 384 00:16:41,784 --> 00:16:42,264 Speaker 4: heard that. 385 00:16:43,784 --> 00:16:49,504 Speaker 3: I didn't want to live in about it. And I 386 00:16:49,584 --> 00:16:53,104 Speaker 3: was so deeply afraid of people that I didn't want 387 00:16:53,104 --> 00:16:53,584 Speaker 3: to be seen. 388 00:16:55,584 --> 00:17:00,904 Speaker 4: And eventually I got over a fear and I went 389 00:17:00,944 --> 00:17:05,424 Speaker 4: to a concept and I like this lived, and. 390 00:17:05,704 --> 00:17:07,744 Speaker 3: I was walking through the crowd to get to. 391 00:17:07,704 --> 00:17:13,984 Speaker 4: My safe something miraculous. Somebody who I didn't know looked 392 00:17:13,984 --> 00:17:16,264 Speaker 4: at me as a liten I love you, and they 393 00:17:16,344 --> 00:17:20,704 Speaker 4: reached out and I reached back and we hurt and 394 00:17:20,704 --> 00:17:21,864 Speaker 4: it felt sold in how good. 395 00:17:22,744 --> 00:17:24,624 Speaker 3: And then it was ten people, and then there was 396 00:17:24,624 --> 00:17:27,144 Speaker 3: one hundred people, and it was a thousand people, and 397 00:17:27,184 --> 00:17:28,104 Speaker 3: then it was ten. 398 00:17:27,944 --> 00:17:32,344 Speaker 4: Thousand people showering me a low and support and reaching 399 00:17:32,424 --> 00:17:35,624 Speaker 4: out and allowing me to reach back out and embracing me. 400 00:17:36,024 --> 00:17:38,984 Speaker 3: And yet was fucking life saving me. 401 00:17:41,224 --> 00:17:43,184 Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought Lizzo in my brain 402 00:17:43,224 --> 00:17:46,744 Speaker 2: looked so different and that looks like someone else. Oh really, yeah, 403 00:17:46,824 --> 00:17:48,864 Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen her live, but that just 404 00:17:48,904 --> 00:17:49,904 Speaker 2: looks like a different person. 405 00:17:50,024 --> 00:17:51,824 Speaker 1: Oh, I guess you know, she'sn't performed for a while, 406 00:17:51,944 --> 00:17:53,864 Speaker 1: be like a different look of different hair. She also 407 00:17:53,944 --> 00:17:57,184 Speaker 1: has lost a lot of weight, which she Yeah, the 408 00:17:57,264 --> 00:17:59,624 Speaker 1: other source of contention because she's documented a bit of 409 00:17:59,664 --> 00:18:03,384 Speaker 1: it online. Oh obviously, because you know, there's not many 410 00:18:03,384 --> 00:18:05,864 Speaker 1: people with different bodies in the spotlight, so anytime anyone 411 00:18:05,904 --> 00:18:08,184 Speaker 1: who doesn't fit that mold changes their body becomes a 412 00:18:08,184 --> 00:18:08,784 Speaker 1: big story. 413 00:18:08,864 --> 00:18:11,184 Speaker 2: You wrote a really good article about that, Oh, thank you. 414 00:18:11,264 --> 00:18:13,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately it keeps coming up time and time again, 415 00:18:13,544 --> 00:18:15,744 Speaker 1: so we could write that over and over again. But yeah, 416 00:18:15,744 --> 00:18:18,624 Speaker 1: it was interesting because in that moment on stage and 417 00:18:18,664 --> 00:18:20,904 Speaker 1: she's playing to this huge room full of people, but 418 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:22,824 Speaker 1: when you listen to what she's saying, it sounds like 419 00:18:22,864 --> 00:18:25,784 Speaker 1: such an intimate conversation because she's talking about the fact 420 00:18:25,784 --> 00:18:28,504 Speaker 1: that she didn't know if she could live anymore, where 421 00:18:28,544 --> 00:18:29,744 Speaker 1: she was going through this. 422 00:18:30,264 --> 00:18:35,224 Speaker 2: Very sad but once again the cancelation playbook, she's hitting 423 00:18:35,264 --> 00:18:37,944 Speaker 2: those key points. You've got to disappear, then you've got 424 00:18:37,984 --> 00:18:39,384 Speaker 2: to come back, and you've got to talk about your 425 00:18:39,424 --> 00:18:42,024 Speaker 2: mental health, and you know how dire things got, and 426 00:18:42,104 --> 00:18:44,824 Speaker 2: of course it would, but it's part of the playbook, 427 00:18:44,864 --> 00:18:45,264 Speaker 2: of course. 428 00:18:45,424 --> 00:18:47,424 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly, And I'm sure. I mean, I'm hoping 429 00:18:47,504 --> 00:18:50,184 Speaker 1: that she had some crisis prs who can give some 430 00:18:50,264 --> 00:18:52,504 Speaker 1: questional advice. I don't know how much we should have 431 00:18:52,544 --> 00:18:53,904 Speaker 1: them on them on the playbook. 432 00:18:53,984 --> 00:18:55,744 Speaker 2: There's some real dodgy ones out there. 433 00:18:55,944 --> 00:18:57,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like, oh, here, Armi Hammer, go and 434 00:18:57,624 --> 00:18:59,704 Speaker 1: do a tall interview, and you're like, no, that man 435 00:18:59,744 --> 00:19:02,384 Speaker 1: should not be mere a microphone. Not that I'm looping 436 00:19:02,504 --> 00:19:04,704 Speaker 1: Armie Hammer and Lozzo into the same bucket, but yeah, 437 00:19:04,704 --> 00:19:07,824 Speaker 1: some of them need to go away for longer. Anymost 438 00:19:08,264 --> 00:19:12,184 Speaker 1: no threatening to Yeah, it is interesting because I think 439 00:19:12,184 --> 00:19:15,344 Speaker 1: the vitual towards her was maybe a bit more intense 440 00:19:15,384 --> 00:19:17,944 Speaker 1: than some other celebrities, just because it's weird to think. 441 00:19:17,984 --> 00:19:20,264 Speaker 1: As much as people loved her, a lot of people 442 00:19:20,344 --> 00:19:23,664 Speaker 1: did hate her because of her body size and because 443 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:24,864 Speaker 1: she was outspoken, and. 444 00:19:24,824 --> 00:19:27,344 Speaker 2: Because I literally would have thought that she's one of 445 00:19:27,344 --> 00:19:30,584 Speaker 2: the most universally loved. 446 00:19:29,544 --> 00:19:31,864 Speaker 1: So I think too, But I didn't realize and that 447 00:19:31,944 --> 00:19:33,824 Speaker 1: intense hatreded And I think maybe because we live in 448 00:19:33,864 --> 00:19:36,384 Speaker 1: a bubble with saying people who see a pop star 449 00:19:36,504 --> 00:19:38,864 Speaker 1: come out with this music and we just all fantastic music. 450 00:19:38,904 --> 00:19:39,904 Speaker 2: She seems fantastic. 451 00:19:39,904 --> 00:19:42,384 Speaker 1: She's a great performer, but even before that, she could 452 00:19:42,464 --> 00:19:44,464 Speaker 1: never get on stage that people being like I love 453 00:19:44,464 --> 00:19:47,824 Speaker 1: her music, but like, is she promoting an unhealthy lifestyle? 454 00:19:47,864 --> 00:19:50,544 Speaker 2: Is she this healthy lifestyle? I know? Even that woman 455 00:19:50,624 --> 00:19:52,744 Speaker 2: could literally outlive any show. 456 00:19:52,744 --> 00:19:55,784 Speaker 1: For three hours, dancing, singing, and playing the flute, like 457 00:19:56,304 --> 00:19:59,704 Speaker 1: through a forty minute netball game, her lung capacity would 458 00:19:59,744 --> 00:20:00,944 Speaker 1: be out. 459 00:20:00,224 --> 00:20:02,864 Speaker 2: Of unhealthy lifestyle my eym, yeah exactly. 460 00:20:02,944 --> 00:20:06,264 Speaker 1: But again, so there's always people out there, like a 461 00:20:06,304 --> 00:20:09,904 Speaker 1: black woman who's on stage and who's being very apologetic, 462 00:20:09,984 --> 00:20:12,544 Speaker 1: and these are things that she said before that there's 463 00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:15,224 Speaker 1: this undercurrent of people who just didn't like her because of. 464 00:20:15,184 --> 00:20:18,504 Speaker 2: That, and now because she's a woman and someone will 465 00:20:18,504 --> 00:20:20,544 Speaker 2: always have to have an opinion about everything or no 466 00:20:20,544 --> 00:20:23,264 Speaker 2: one can ever do anything right. If she has lost weight, 467 00:20:23,544 --> 00:20:26,264 Speaker 2: then all of those same people that said you're unhealthy 468 00:20:26,264 --> 00:20:28,464 Speaker 2: will now be like, that's a shame that you lost weight. 469 00:20:28,584 --> 00:20:29,264 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. 470 00:20:29,304 --> 00:20:31,264 Speaker 1: It's like you're not servicing this group of fans and 471 00:20:31,304 --> 00:20:32,184 Speaker 1: you've let people down. 472 00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:35,024 Speaker 2: And again, I'm still unhealthy. You still can't run around 473 00:20:35,024 --> 00:20:36,904 Speaker 2: to stage for three hour? Oh can you? Exactly? 474 00:20:37,104 --> 00:20:38,504 Speaker 1: And this is what I always come back to, this 475 00:20:38,584 --> 00:20:41,584 Speaker 1: idea of like when we start policing and women's bodies 476 00:20:41,584 --> 00:20:44,184 Speaker 1: in general, but like famous women's bodies because they're the 477 00:20:44,224 --> 00:20:46,904 Speaker 1: ones we see the most. Is that if we had 478 00:20:47,144 --> 00:20:49,984 Speaker 1: an industry that had all different types of bodies, it 479 00:20:50,024 --> 00:20:53,024 Speaker 1: wouldn't be this big talking point every time someone changes 480 00:20:53,024 --> 00:20:56,944 Speaker 1: it because exactly she'd be like to fluctuate without it 481 00:20:56,984 --> 00:20:59,584 Speaker 1: being like, yes, so she has been like, you know, 482 00:20:59,824 --> 00:21:02,424 Speaker 1: hate those tabloid headlongso like she's been showing off her body, 483 00:21:02,424 --> 00:21:05,064 Speaker 1: but she has been like documenting her changing body on 484 00:21:05,184 --> 00:21:07,144 Speaker 1: social But I feel like that hasn't she always showed 485 00:21:07,144 --> 00:21:09,744 Speaker 1: off her body like she's always been, you know, like 486 00:21:09,784 --> 00:21:12,824 Speaker 1: a bit of naked dancer. Oh yes, yes, in that capacity, yes, 487 00:21:12,864 --> 00:21:14,824 Speaker 1: But now on her socials she's actually been saying, like 488 00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:17,224 Speaker 1: some things I've been doing, my body looks smaller here, 489 00:21:17,224 --> 00:21:19,824 Speaker 1: I've done this. I'm proud, like how my body looks here, 490 00:21:19,864 --> 00:21:21,784 Speaker 1: Like she has been documenting it, so it's not like 491 00:21:21,864 --> 00:21:24,824 Speaker 1: a secret thing. But I feel like that hasn't made 492 00:21:24,904 --> 00:21:27,864 Speaker 1: headlines like it would have in the past, because you know, 493 00:21:27,904 --> 00:21:30,744 Speaker 1: people are still having this conversation about is she canceled 494 00:21:30,744 --> 00:21:32,744 Speaker 1: and when she gave this speech to this concept, and 495 00:21:32,784 --> 00:21:34,864 Speaker 1: obviously so many people filmed it because the audience was 496 00:21:34,904 --> 00:21:37,544 Speaker 1: full of fans and it went viral. Then the headlines 497 00:21:37,584 --> 00:21:40,184 Speaker 1: became Lizo wanted to end her life, and so we're 498 00:21:40,184 --> 00:21:43,464 Speaker 1: only getting these like little nuggets of information from a 499 00:21:43,504 --> 00:21:45,864 Speaker 1: woman whose life is so public that I'm sure there's 500 00:21:45,864 --> 00:21:46,784 Speaker 1: a lot of layers to it. 501 00:21:47,024 --> 00:21:49,504 Speaker 2: Well, anyway, I'm still very much so team Lizzo as 502 00:21:49,544 --> 00:21:52,144 Speaker 2: I've always been. So I'll be there watching a movie 503 00:21:52,544 --> 00:21:54,344 Speaker 2: and I'll go to a sex club with her. Yeah, 504 00:21:54,384 --> 00:21:56,384 Speaker 2: so would I look, I've that a bit. This is 505 00:21:56,424 --> 00:21:58,224 Speaker 2: like a wildlife, really a lot of fun. 506 00:21:58,544 --> 00:22:00,824 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for listening to this spill today, 507 00:22:00,864 --> 00:22:02,824 Speaker 1: and thank you Kelly for joining us once again for 508 00:22:02,824 --> 00:22:04,944 Speaker 1: the incest chat anytime. 509 00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:07,464 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, not anytime only I don't have to 510 00:22:07,504 --> 00:22:08,824 Speaker 2: talk to you about interests ever again. 511 00:22:09,024 --> 00:22:11,224 Speaker 1: We'll see And also make sure you tune into the 512 00:22:11,224 --> 00:22:13,864 Speaker 1: Spill tomorrow because I have a special weekend watch that 513 00:22:13,904 --> 00:22:15,864 Speaker 1: I cannot hang on too. And we're actually gonna have 514 00:22:15,904 --> 00:22:18,144 Speaker 1: a cameo from a very famous name that you'll be 515 00:22:18,144 --> 00:22:21,304 Speaker 1: excited about coming in for that. So a little teaser 516 00:22:21,344 --> 00:22:24,584 Speaker 1: for tomorrow's episode. So The Spill is produced by ned Green, 517 00:22:24,704 --> 00:22:27,344 Speaker 1: with sound production by Scott Stronik, and we'll see you 518 00:22:27,424 --> 00:22:28,024 Speaker 1: here back in. 519 00:22:27,984 --> 00:22:36,344 Speaker 2: Your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. Bye Bye Lan.