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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking about.

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday, the sixteenth of October. I'm Holly Waynwright and

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Speaker 2: I am back from my holiday.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm m Vernham filling in for

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Speaker 3: mea today. You can normally hear me on our daily

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Speaker 3: entertainment podcast The Spill.

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Speaker 2: Clearly we have a one in one out I am,

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Speaker 2: I came back and Mia fed off anyway, on the

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Speaker 2: show today, we were looking for a Madam Finance, but

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Speaker 2: he's not in the office today. What happened to women

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Speaker 2: when one of the most macho work cultures in the

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Speaker 2: world tried a four day work week? Also, the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister bought a very expensive house. You might have heard,

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Speaker 2: so is this perfectly fine class betrayal.

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Speaker 3: Or just a little quiet quit?

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Speaker 2: Two two two four two three And don't try to

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Speaker 2: make a five year a seven year, you idiot? Why

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Speaker 2: number woo wu is so very hot right now?

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Speaker 4: But first, the US has sent its strongest known written

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Speaker 4: warning to Israel demanding Israel boost aid to Gaza or

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Speaker 4: risk losing military support. The Biden administration sent this letter

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Speaker 4: to Israeli leaders on Sunday, expressing their deep concerns about

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Speaker 4: the deteriorating humanitarian situation. The letter referred to the Israeli

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Speaker 4: government denying or impeding nearly ninety percent of humanitarian movements

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Speaker 4: between northern and southern Gaza last month, and demanded that

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: The US is by far the biggest supplier of arms

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Speaker 4: really significant. It's also only nineteen days until the presidential election.

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Speaker 4: The warning comes amid a new Israeli offensive in northern Gaza,

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Speaker 4: which has reportedly called caused a large number of civilian

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Speaker 4: casualties and forced one point seven million people into a

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Speaker 4: narrow area where they are at risk, the letter says,

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Speaker 4: of lethal contagion. You might have also seen the distressing

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Speaker 4: which killed at least four injuring dozens of others. The

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Speaker 6: Last week marked.

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Speaker 4: One year since the October seven attack carried out by Hamas,

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Speaker 4: where twelve hundred people were killed, two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: four hostages were taken, and ninety seven hostages are yet

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Speaker 4: to be recovered. Since the war began, more than forty

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Speaker 2: Listen, it's completely normal to feel helpless and overwhelmed in

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Speaker 2: wanted to give you a few details of some of

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Speaker 2: need support more than ever if you're able to give it.

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Speaker 2: Doctors without Borders are operating in both Gaza and Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: Any donation to them pays for consultations, surgeries, treatments and vaccinations.

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Speaker 2: World's Central Kitchen is a remarkable organization. They go all

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Speaker 2: They provide emergency food relief and they have served more

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Speaker 2: Plan International focus on Girls and children. They do things

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Speaker 2: They provide suppert for children that can include things like

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Speaker 2: the links to all of those organizations in today's show notes.

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Speaker 3: And to say, across any developments across the Middle East,

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Speaker 3: you can always tune into our daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 3: We will put a link in our show notes to that.

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Speaker 7: The four day work week is slowly transforming from a

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Speaker 5: With Medibank expanding its trial.

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Speaker 3: Companies in Australia are trialing a four day work week,

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Speaker 3: and it's looking pretty good for women.

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Speaker 6: As a woman, I think it sounds great.

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Speaker 3: Well, you, Jesse and Holley work part time. Woll interesting,

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Speaker 2: Why not? Because I don't work in the office five

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we work a part time at Mama Maya and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that yes. Anyway, Well, look, we're defensive already,

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Speaker 3: So let's I was gonna I was gonna say that

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Speaker 3: So Medibank have been trialing this with their employees and

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Speaker 3: they've adopted the one hundred eighty one hundred model, which

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Speaker 3: this is never going to work for women, because, as

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Speaker 3: of the insights from this trial has actually shown that

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Speaker 3: employee satisfaction, motivation, and engagement is up. There's also been

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Speaker 3: significant reductions in unhealthy eating, sleep disturbances, and job related stress.

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Speaker 3: From other trials at aren't the Medibank trials, it was

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Speaker 3: it's not equal to women, but it's more than what

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Speaker 3: to see. So previous trials also indicated that there was

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Speaker 3: of these results, a company called Insignia Financial, which is

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Speaker 2: Because finance is known as a very like Matro, work

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Speaker 3: Jess Stevens.

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Speaker 4: I loved this story because recently there was another news

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Speaker 4: and the Productivity Commission that was their scope, so I

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Speaker 4: totally understand that. But the other side of the conversation

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Speaker 4: also because of the finite resource that is time.

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Speaker 4: I don't have time to raise them a lot of

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Speaker 4: We're talking a lot about the finite resource of money,

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Speaker 4: which is cost of living crisis. I don't have another bedroom.

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Speaker 4: say that it is a significant public health crisis parental stress,

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Speaker 6: I wonder if we shifted, say.

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Speaker 4: Universally to a four day work week, if people would

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Speaker 6: Somebody needs to think of the bosses.

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Speaker 2: And I promise you, Mia, wherever you're listening to this,

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that is life changing for

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Speaker 2: Brent has never worked five full days in office since

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Speaker 2: for those four days. Often people will tack on other

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Speaker 2: order to get your four day work week, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the conditions are the output has to remain the same. Yea,

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Speaker 2: So that means the four days that you work are

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Speaker 2: you that is already their reality, right, So it's never

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Speaker 2: whenever we talk about flexible work, working from home, all

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Speaker 2: has never been the same for everyone. People have always

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of nurses, for example, who since

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Speaker 2: Like that has always happened in different professions. There's never

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Speaker 4: But the thing about women going part time is obviously

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Speaker 2: And some space to have creative ideas for our bosses?

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Speaker 6: Now We're not my teacher friend until.

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Speaker 2: The school goes to four days a week, that's not

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Speaker 4: Enormous amount of outpush. But you know, Fridays, honestly, they're

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Speaker 3: So I'm sure if me is listening right now or

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Speaker 2: I don't give her any ideas she's gonna get on board.

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Speaker 10: I understand I've been fortunate, which is why I want

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Speaker 4: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi has purchased a new home

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Speaker 4: and if you would like all the details, you better

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Speaker 2: This is quite a good real estate, pawny juicy.

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Speaker 6: It's always not why they always bring up north.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because against the sun. And you don't want to

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Speaker 4: in May that will be fought primarily on housing affordability.

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Speaker 4: Albernizi also has an investment property which is for sale

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Speaker 4: for one point eight five million dollars. Here's what Opposition

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a matter for the Prime Minister, but I

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Speaker 4: Until twenty nineteen, Dutton himself actually had four properties in Queensland.

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Speaker 2: It is. Look I'm really conflicted about this. I want

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Speaker 2: we don't vote like about what politicians do in their

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Speaker 3: But I entirely agree with.

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Speaker 2: As he said when he was talking about why he's

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Speaker 2: we are not political advisors, that this was going to

442
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Speaker 2: be a storm for him.

443
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Speaker 4: The only thing I'm thinking is I was looking at

444
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Speaker 4: the property prices of this particular house, and he got

445
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Speaker 4: it for less than.

446
00:22:03,847 --> 00:22:05,247
Speaker 6: It was sold for last time.

447
00:22:05,967 --> 00:22:09,567
Speaker 4: So in my mind, if I'm just looking at Anthony

448
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Speaker 4: Alberanesi as an average person who wanted to buy a house,

449
00:22:12,887 --> 00:22:15,887
Speaker 4: he's going well, if I don't buy my dream house now,

450
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Speaker 4: I'm going to lose the opportunity because someone else is

451
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Speaker 4: going to get it now. It's politicians make really good money.

452
00:22:22,167 --> 00:22:25,727
Speaker 4: The base rate for a politician would put their household

453
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Speaker 4: in the top ten percent of Australian households, and that's

454
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Speaker 4: before accounting for the fact that they might be married

455
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Speaker 4: and their spouse might also bring in some income. So

456
00:22:34,527 --> 00:22:37,327
Speaker 4: this group of people are exceptional. And when you're talking

457
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Speaker 4: about negative gearing or interest rates, which are impacting the

458
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Speaker 4: wider Australian population more than it's impacting the people who

459
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Speaker 4: are kind of in charge of making these policies, I

460
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Speaker 4: do understand that I agree with you, Holly, that I

461
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Speaker 4: look at this and go there are massive issues that

462
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Speaker 4: we want to discuss as a nation, even globally. I

463
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Speaker 4: want to talk about policies, not necessarily what Alberanize.

464
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Speaker 6: Is choosing for.

465
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Speaker 4: But I saw it compared to when Scott Morrison went

466
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Speaker 4: to Hawaii during the bushfires and didn't tell anyone that

467
00:23:10,807 --> 00:23:15,087
Speaker 4: he'd gone on holidays, which wasn't a policy eerror, but

468
00:23:15,527 --> 00:23:19,167
Speaker 4: when he was eventually voted out, that was the thing

469
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Speaker 4: voters remember. Like this comparison is so simple. Annabel Krab

470
00:23:24,527 --> 00:23:27,767
Speaker 4: wrote a brilliant piece on this, like, in voters' minds,

471
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Speaker 4: you just went and got your cliff top mansion for

472
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Speaker 4: the two of you to live in. While a report

473
00:23:34,367 --> 00:23:36,527
Speaker 4: came out I think just this week saying that eighty

474
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Speaker 4: percent of Australians believe young Aussies.

475
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Speaker 6: Will never afford their own home exactly. And what did

476
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Speaker 6: you make of all this?

477
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Speaker 3: I felt personally betrayed, alban Ezi.

478
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Speaker 6: I don't know.

479
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Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think, especially with young voters,

480
00:23:50,087 --> 00:23:52,407
Speaker 3: like the thing you grab onto is like their personal

481
00:23:52,447 --> 00:23:56,047
Speaker 3: decisions are the people you're voting for. And Anthony ALBERANIZI

482
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Speaker 3: was that guy that came from nothing, that made something

483
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Speaker 3: from himself, and he's like the everyday guy and he's

484
00:24:01,567 --> 00:24:03,807
Speaker 3: able to relate to us. And this is like what

485
00:24:04,047 --> 00:24:06,527
Speaker 3: his third house, So he's got two on taxpayers and

486
00:24:06,567 --> 00:24:07,487
Speaker 3: this is the one he bought.

487
00:24:07,807 --> 00:24:10,927
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's gotten property.

488
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Speaker 3: He's just like a mansion. I just look at that

489
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I really hope you're going to

490
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Speaker 3: rent that out the internet.

491
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Speaker 2: Well I don't because you've probably charged way too much

492
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Speaker 2: rent for it. But I think that what's interesting about that, right,

493
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Speaker 2: is that Albo in particular has very much always been lefty,

494
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Speaker 2: a man of the people. And one of the things

495
00:24:27,407 --> 00:24:30,407
Speaker 2: that's interesting for lefties who've always seen themselves as that.

496
00:24:30,647 --> 00:24:32,727
Speaker 2: And his first speech is Prime Minister. He quoted lyrics

497
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Speaker 2: from Billy Bragg. Right, here's a down in the dirt

498
00:24:36,167 --> 00:24:38,167
Speaker 2: lefty guy who's always been into a bit of class

499
00:24:38,207 --> 00:24:41,327
Speaker 2: warfare himself. But one of the big struggles for those

500
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Speaker 2: people as they get middle aged is that they become

501
00:24:44,007 --> 00:24:47,047
Speaker 2: the establishment. Right now, he's the man, and he's not

502
00:24:47,367 --> 00:24:49,847
Speaker 2: rich in the way that say a Malcolm Turnbull is rich.

503
00:24:50,287 --> 00:24:53,207
Speaker 2: But he bought his first property when properties were affordable

504
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Speaker 2: for ordinary people who earn ordinary money, and now that

505
00:24:56,847 --> 00:24:59,367
Speaker 2: is not the case for ordinary people who earn ordinary

506
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Speaker 2: money in a city. So it's not like he has

507
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Speaker 2: played the markets, been a venture capitalist, been like a

508
00:25:05,327 --> 00:25:08,527
Speaker 2: professional money maker. But he is by the nature of

509
00:25:08,527 --> 00:25:12,167
Speaker 2: his generation and the timing and the financial choices he's made,

510
00:25:12,367 --> 00:25:14,807
Speaker 2: he's now the position of the guy who can buy

511
00:25:14,847 --> 00:25:17,967
Speaker 2: the cliff top mansion. And so he looks to you,

512
00:25:18,927 --> 00:25:21,127
Speaker 2: the bad guy like you, And I was like, oh

513
00:25:21,127 --> 00:25:23,727
Speaker 2: my god, you're part of the problem. And he probably

514
00:25:23,727 --> 00:25:25,927
Speaker 2: would never see himself that way. But that just makes

515
00:25:25,967 --> 00:25:29,047
Speaker 2: it even more like a bizarre decision. Why wouldn't you

516
00:25:29,087 --> 00:25:31,487
Speaker 2: wait six months till after the election and then buy

517
00:25:31,607 --> 00:25:32,407
Speaker 2: clifftop match.

518
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Speaker 4: So the only thing I can think is that the

519
00:25:34,767 --> 00:25:36,047
Speaker 4: man believes he's going to lose.

520
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Speaker 3: That's it.

521
00:25:37,007 --> 00:25:39,287
Speaker 4: I just kept going looking at this house and looking

522
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Speaker 4: at the story and how a lot of people were going,

523
00:25:41,687 --> 00:25:42,167
Speaker 4: don't buy it.

524
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Speaker 3: Now it's going to look really, really bad as his

525
00:25:43,807 --> 00:25:44,687
Speaker 3: retirement plan.

526
00:25:45,047 --> 00:25:47,967
Speaker 4: Yeah, because as you say, he's got harbor views from

527
00:25:47,967 --> 00:25:49,447
Speaker 4: his Curebilly manchat.

528
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Speaker 2: Which it doesn't his but he's allowed to live in it,

529
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Speaker 2: and he's also allowed to live in the house in Canberra,

530
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Speaker 2: so he's got two different places to live.

531
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Speaker 6: He's selling his investment.

532
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Speaker 3: And he has to move out straight away if he loses.

533
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wondered that, Like, I'm sure that they're not

534
00:26:01,087 --> 00:26:03,047
Speaker 4: going to kick him out onto the straight.

535
00:26:04,207 --> 00:26:06,047
Speaker 2: You do have to move out straight away if you lose,

536
00:26:06,127 --> 00:26:06,967
Speaker 2: well pretty quickly.

537
00:26:07,047 --> 00:26:10,527
Speaker 3: Well maybe it's not like you to if Jackie Kennedy

538
00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:11,447
Speaker 3: had to do it.

539
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Speaker 2: The thing that's tricky here, right is that again, on

540
00:26:14,647 --> 00:26:16,087
Speaker 2: the face of it, the man's allowed to do what

541
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Speaker 2: he wants, and it isn't relevant about what kind of

542
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Speaker 2: prime ministery is. But and this was also in the

543
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Speaker 2: Annabel Crab piece, which is very true. It's what we

544
00:26:22,927 --> 00:26:26,727
Speaker 2: expect from leaders. They're only really in that gig, most

545
00:26:26,727 --> 00:26:28,807
Speaker 2: of them for a short time, and what we expect

546
00:26:28,807 --> 00:26:30,767
Speaker 2: from them in that time is that they won't necessarily

547
00:26:30,807 --> 00:26:32,847
Speaker 2: do all the things they want. There was a guy

548
00:26:32,887 --> 00:26:35,527
Speaker 2: in that piece who was quoted as saying Tony Barry,

549
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Speaker 2: who's a former liberal person but he's a strategist now,

550
00:26:38,447 --> 00:26:40,687
Speaker 2: and he said, one of the golden rules of leadership

551
00:26:40,727 --> 00:26:42,687
Speaker 2: is that you just can't do all the things you'd

552
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Speaker 2: like to do, like overseas holidays, like selling investment properties,

553
00:26:46,367 --> 00:26:50,487
Speaker 2: like buying spectacular waterfront real estate homes. It's true, right,

554
00:26:50,607 --> 00:26:53,007
Speaker 2: is that just for that period of time. And I

555
00:26:53,007 --> 00:26:56,487
Speaker 2: love Albow, he's my guy, but I'm like, mate.

556
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Speaker 6: There was a crazy choice.

557
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Speaker 2: I think he's in love in a big way, which

558
00:27:02,167 --> 00:27:04,207
Speaker 2: is lovely, but like mate.

559
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Speaker 6: Don't we all want to go and buy a match

560
00:27:05,607 --> 00:27:06,727
Speaker 6: with the love of our lives.

561
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Speaker 2: It's the other thing that's interesting listening to people's reactions

562
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Speaker 2: about this is who thinks that four million dollars is

563
00:27:11,767 --> 00:27:13,527
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and who doesn't.

564
00:27:13,487 --> 00:27:14,687
Speaker 3: That is very telling.

565
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566
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569
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Speaker 2: Subscribers, Astrology, tarot and maths. You've heard us talk a

571
00:27:42,967 --> 00:27:45,167
Speaker 2: lot about Woo woo lately on Mamma Mia out Loud.

572
00:27:45,207 --> 00:27:47,367
Speaker 2: We all downloaded some app that told us what the

573
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Speaker 2: stars had in store for us today today. Apparently, friends,

574
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Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to meddle, So if I offer any

575
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Speaker 2: opinions about your clothes, your lunches, or something you say

576
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Speaker 2: in a meeting, just remind me of that. Anyway, Now,

577
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Speaker 2: everywhere I look, people are talking about numbers. And when

578
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Speaker 2: I say people, I mean celebrities. First of all, I

579
00:28:06,487 --> 00:28:08,607
Speaker 2: was listening to an interview with Zoe Foster Blake that

580
00:28:08,727 --> 00:28:10,967
Speaker 2: Clastives did for but are you happy? It was great

581
00:28:11,287 --> 00:28:13,007
Speaker 2: and in it she revealed that her mom is a

582
00:28:13,087 --> 00:28:16,367
Speaker 2: numerology devotee and that she was concerned that Zoe was

583
00:28:16,407 --> 00:28:19,167
Speaker 2: trying to make a nine year a seven or something. Anyway,

584
00:28:19,207 --> 00:28:21,727
Speaker 2: we'll get back to that later. And then I learned

585
00:28:22,207 --> 00:28:24,647
Speaker 2: that for the cool people, having a necklace or a

586
00:28:24,687 --> 00:28:28,047
Speaker 2: tattoo that displays your angel number, which might be something

587
00:28:28,127 --> 00:28:31,567
Speaker 2: like two two two like Kylie Jenners or one four three,

588
00:28:31,727 --> 00:28:34,087
Speaker 2: which is both the name of Katy Perry's new album

589
00:28:34,127 --> 00:28:37,207
Speaker 2: and her angel number, is extremely cool. This is what

590
00:28:37,327 --> 00:28:40,967
Speaker 2: Katy Perry said about what makes your angel number and

591
00:28:41,007 --> 00:28:43,087
Speaker 2: why hers is one four three.

592
00:28:42,927 --> 00:28:45,527
Speaker 5: One four three, and it means I love you in

593
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Speaker 5: a digital language. And that came to me actually at

594
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Speaker 5: a time that was pretty tough and I was looking

595
00:28:52,087 --> 00:28:55,407
Speaker 5: for some guidance and this number started appearing, and so

596
00:28:55,727 --> 00:28:58,487
Speaker 5: I called it my angel number. Some people are attracted

597
00:28:58,487 --> 00:29:01,767
Speaker 5: to eleven eleven, some people like you know, two two

598
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Speaker 5: two a look. For me, it was a sign, It

599
00:29:04,527 --> 00:29:07,647
Speaker 5: was a symbol, and it came to me at a

600
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Speaker 5: really tough time when I was having a lot of anxiety,

601
00:29:10,287 --> 00:29:13,167
Speaker 5: and it was just so comforting and I would see

602
00:29:13,207 --> 00:29:15,087
Speaker 5: it in so many different places, and then I looked

603
00:29:15,087 --> 00:29:16,367
Speaker 5: it up and I was like, well, what does this

604
00:29:16,447 --> 00:29:17,007
Speaker 5: number mean?

605
00:29:17,207 --> 00:29:17,687
Speaker 3: I love you?

606
00:29:18,007 --> 00:29:19,727
Speaker 2: Isn't that wo woo and silly? I said to all

607
00:29:19,767 --> 00:29:23,047
Speaker 2: my colleagues who for the purposes of this conversation, I

608
00:29:23,087 --> 00:29:28,407
Speaker 2: will not refer to as esteemed. No, they said Emily Vernon,

609
00:29:28,607 --> 00:29:31,487
Speaker 2: what's a necklace with her angel number on it? A

610
00:29:31,567 --> 00:29:34,767
Speaker 2: head of content? Eliza was thinking about a bracelet. Here

611
00:29:34,767 --> 00:29:36,887
Speaker 2: are a few other things that the Mama Mere team

612
00:29:37,007 --> 00:29:39,527
Speaker 2: said about their angel numbers.

613
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Speaker 8: I do believe in angel numbers. I have for a while,

614
00:29:43,887 --> 00:29:46,007
Speaker 8: since I was younger. With my friend, we always saw five,

615
00:29:46,127 --> 00:29:49,727
Speaker 8: five five. It means abundance and that good things are coming.

616
00:29:50,247 --> 00:29:52,127
Speaker 8: And so now I wear a five five five necklace

617
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Speaker 8: around my neck.

618
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Speaker 7: I don't really believe in them, but i'd like to.

619
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Speaker 7: I'm open to it.

620
00:29:57,567 --> 00:30:00,087
Speaker 11: I definitely believe in angel numbers. I feel like the

621
00:30:00,167 --> 00:30:02,527
Speaker 11: universe is looking out for us in all different ways.

622
00:30:03,047 --> 00:30:06,047
Speaker 11: I see one, two, three four almost every single day,

623
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Speaker 11: whether that's the time or on a building, it's always

624
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Speaker 11: kind of and it means that you're progressing and growing

625
00:30:12,647 --> 00:30:14,607
Speaker 11: and that the universe is kind of guiding you on

626
00:30:14,647 --> 00:30:15,287
Speaker 11: the right path.

627
00:30:15,527 --> 00:30:16,967
Speaker 7: No, I don't believe in angel numbers.

628
00:30:16,967 --> 00:30:19,407
Speaker 3: I've never even thought about it. The only time, and

629
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Speaker 3: it's not even a time or a number thing.

630
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Speaker 7: It's when I look at my phone. For some reason,

631
00:30:23,527 --> 00:30:25,527
Speaker 7: a lot of the time it's twelve thirteen, and that

632
00:30:25,567 --> 00:30:27,807
Speaker 7: became a personal joke. But that's the only thing that

633
00:30:27,847 --> 00:30:30,727
Speaker 7: I can think of in terms of having significance to numbers.

634
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Speaker 1: Yes, I like to believe in them, and anytime I

635
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Speaker 1: see a loved one's birthday, I like to think that

636
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Speaker 1: that's a nice little you're going well today, Or when

637
00:30:40,287 --> 00:30:42,167
Speaker 1: I see eleven eleven, I always make a wish.

638
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Speaker 12: I definitely believe in angel numbers. I see eleven eleven

639
00:30:46,687 --> 00:30:49,407
Speaker 12: pretty much every day, and it's just a reminder for

640
00:30:49,447 --> 00:30:52,287
Speaker 12: me that the angels are around me, whether that's my

641
00:30:52,527 --> 00:30:55,847
Speaker 12: guides or people that have passed over, and it just

642
00:30:55,887 --> 00:30:58,607
Speaker 12: makes me feel very much connected to them.

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Speaker 2: Surely, I thought, Jesse Stevens will be into this silliness.

644
00:31:03,327 --> 00:31:06,727
Speaker 2: Jesse Stevens, I said, do you have weird numbers that

645
00:31:06,807 --> 00:31:09,887
Speaker 2: you think about all the time? And Jesse Stephens said, yes,

646
00:31:10,127 --> 00:31:10,367
Speaker 2: I do.

647
00:31:11,727 --> 00:31:13,967
Speaker 6: I said, of course. I said, I've never said it

648
00:31:13,967 --> 00:31:15,127
Speaker 6: out loud. I'm too ashamed.

649
00:31:15,327 --> 00:31:17,207
Speaker 4: And then I think I might have said it out loud,

650
00:31:17,247 --> 00:31:19,647
Speaker 4: which is that I was born on the twenty first

651
00:31:19,687 --> 00:31:22,407
Speaker 4: of the twelve so obviously two to one one two.

652
00:31:22,767 --> 00:31:24,847
Speaker 4: The house I grow up in with was twenty one.

653
00:31:24,887 --> 00:31:28,007
Speaker 4: The postcode was two to one some something. That number

654
00:31:28,007 --> 00:31:31,767
Speaker 4: to me has always been very significant, so I googled

655
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Speaker 4: it to be like, well, what does the number twenty

656
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Speaker 4: one mean?

657
00:31:34,447 --> 00:31:39,007
Speaker 6: And it means abundance, and.

658
00:31:38,967 --> 00:31:43,327
Speaker 4: I think it all means abundance actually, which made me

659
00:31:43,367 --> 00:31:47,087
Speaker 4: feel very very special. But I also was thinking I've

660
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Speaker 4: got the same thing with a song. I've never said

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Speaker 4: this out loud either, because it's mortifying, but there's a

662
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Speaker 4: song that, like, the first time I played maybe I

663
00:31:53,807 --> 00:31:57,007
Speaker 4: was like graduating year twelve, right, and then you know,

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Speaker 4: the day I hand in my master's thesis, the day

665
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Speaker 4: I finished writing my book one of my first days

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Speaker 4: with the lunar is a song that comes on the

667
00:32:03,367 --> 00:32:06,567
Speaker 4: radio that is a very rare, weird song. And this

668
00:32:06,927 --> 00:32:09,247
Speaker 4: would never wear something around my neck or something, cause

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Speaker 4: so I feel like these things are very private, like, and.

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Speaker 3: It's almost you were scared to tell us.

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00:32:14,047 --> 00:32:16,407
Speaker 4: I was really scared because I was like, oh, this

672
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Speaker 4: is my own woo woo.

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Speaker 6: I'm not even sure what I think it means.

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Speaker 4: But what those responses said about feeling safe or feeling

675
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Speaker 4: like there is some sense in the universe reminded me

676
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Speaker 4: of this conversation I listened to recently with doctor Emily

677
00:32:30,367 --> 00:32:33,407
Speaker 4: on The Imperfect and it was all about uncertainty, and

678
00:32:33,447 --> 00:32:38,127
Speaker 4: she said that we have grown increasingly intolerant of all uncertainty.

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00:32:38,247 --> 00:32:40,807
Speaker 4: So we walked into the office this morning and all

680
00:32:40,847 --> 00:32:42,847
Speaker 4: of us were mad because our weather app said it

681
00:32:42,887 --> 00:32:44,407
Speaker 4: was going to be cool, but it was quite hot,

682
00:32:44,487 --> 00:32:47,367
Speaker 4: and that really pissed us off. So the weather app

683
00:32:47,407 --> 00:32:49,247
Speaker 4: and then you were probably on your maps if you

684
00:32:49,287 --> 00:32:53,007
Speaker 4: were going somewhere, and then you know, you've googled what's

685
00:32:53,007 --> 00:32:55,087
Speaker 4: wrong with you before you go and see the doctor.

686
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Speaker 4: Our muscle for uncertainty is not being strengthened, and therefore

687
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Speaker 4: any time that uncertainty might pop up, we look for

688
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Speaker 4: And I think this happens in times of great uncertainty,

689
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Speaker 4: like when people get a diagnosis or grief.

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Speaker 2: Will going to Hell and a Hamburg?

691
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Speaker 4: Yes, we go, Oh, I actually have to hold really

692
00:33:13,527 --> 00:33:17,007
Speaker 4: tightly onto things because then everything will be certain. And

693
00:33:17,047 --> 00:33:19,047
Speaker 4: apparently that's not very good for us. Apparently what we

694
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Speaker 4: should all be doing is practicing our uncertainty. So the

695
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Speaker 4: example they had was like when you go to a restaurant,

696
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Speaker 4: like maybe don't look at Google reviews before you go

697
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Speaker 4: because that's the other thing we do is it needs

698
00:33:29,447 --> 00:33:31,847
Speaker 4: to be four point nine stars because we can't possibly

699
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Speaker 4: risk having a subpar meal, whereas years ago the uncertainty

700
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Speaker 4: that we lived in was enormous, Like this has happened

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Speaker 4: in a very very short amount of time. And what's

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Speaker 4: your relationship with your angel numbers?

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Speaker 3: What is your angel and number? So mine's a bit

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Speaker 3: complicated my journey with angel number.

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Speaker 2: Please tell me.

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Speaker 3: Firstly, I'm numerically dyslexic, so this was a very fad.

707
00:33:53,287 --> 00:33:56,207
Speaker 2: Same which took me a really long time to figure.

708
00:33:55,927 --> 00:34:00,127
Speaker 3: This out, very hard for me to take on. I

709
00:34:00,167 --> 00:34:02,567
Speaker 3: originally thought when angel numbers started becoming a thing, because

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Speaker 3: I think it was definitely my generation where I just

711
00:34:04,247 --> 00:34:06,647
Speaker 3: started hearing it, maybe like four or five years ago.

712
00:34:07,167 --> 00:34:09,767
Speaker 3: I was like, this is so silly. I think it's

713
00:34:09,807 --> 00:34:12,527
Speaker 3: just like the astrology girl he's got on board of astrology.

714
00:34:12,687 --> 00:34:14,447
Speaker 3: We all know our star signs, that we all knew

715
00:34:14,447 --> 00:34:17,487
Speaker 3: our like rising moon phases, so that angel numbers felt

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00:34:17,487 --> 00:34:19,687
Speaker 3: like the next thing to progress to, which is why

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00:34:19,767 --> 00:34:21,647
Speaker 3: where I feel like we are at now. So the

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Speaker 3: number that I see consistently when I was a child

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Speaker 3: was twelve, and like.

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Speaker 4: Similarly, twenty one and also one and two, but wherely

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00:34:29,807 --> 00:34:30,447
Speaker 4: for you.

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Speaker 3: Like every time I would look at the clock could

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Speaker 3: always be twelve twenty one. Yeah, And then I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: this could be my angel number, but I actually don't

725
00:34:37,127 --> 00:34:38,967
Speaker 3: like the look of it. It looks a bit ugly.

726
00:34:39,607 --> 00:34:42,087
Speaker 3: So then I told myself my angel number was two

727
00:34:42,167 --> 00:34:44,367
Speaker 3: two two because I like the look of that. And

728
00:34:44,407 --> 00:34:46,727
Speaker 3: since telling myself that, I've been looking for two to

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00:34:46,807 --> 00:34:48,967
Speaker 3: two two to come up much. It comes up quite

730
00:34:49,007 --> 00:34:51,287
Speaker 3: a lot because I'm waiting for it. So sometimes when

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Speaker 3: it's like the clock it's like two twenty, I like, wait,

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00:34:53,407 --> 00:34:54,367
Speaker 3: so it's like two twenty one.

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Speaker 2: If you went to get this on a necklace or whatever, M.

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00:34:56,807 --> 00:34:59,047
Speaker 3: I did what you did? I got two two two

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Speaker 3: on a necklace.

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Speaker 2: Is the purpose of that to make you feel like

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00:35:02,727 --> 00:35:04,487
Speaker 2: when you see the two two two or you touch

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Speaker 2: your necklace or something, that you feel like cared for

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00:35:07,407 --> 00:35:08,727
Speaker 2: the purpose by the universe.

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Speaker 3: When you wear your necklace, people go what does that mean?

741
00:35:12,167 --> 00:35:15,007
Speaker 3: And then you go, oh, this is my angel nembor

742
00:35:15,527 --> 00:35:18,007
Speaker 3: and they're like what's that? And I was like, yeah,

743
00:35:18,847 --> 00:35:21,407
Speaker 3: everyone's answer to that. That's so funny.

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00:35:21,447 --> 00:35:24,967
Speaker 2: So I thought this was bullshit right, particularly the numerology thing.

745
00:35:24,967 --> 00:35:26,647
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't understand and I can't add up.

746
00:35:26,727 --> 00:35:28,767
Speaker 3: But we struggled with the.

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00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:32,407
Speaker 2: Math I was looking after I heard Zoey Foster Blake

748
00:35:32,487 --> 00:35:34,447
Speaker 2: say that thing about like it's a seven year or

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Speaker 2: whatever she said, and I'm sorry that I've mangled whatever

750
00:35:36,327 --> 00:35:39,207
Speaker 2: it was that she said. I was like, that's such nonsense.

751
00:35:39,727 --> 00:35:42,487
Speaker 2: And then I worked out how you work out what

752
00:35:42,567 --> 00:35:44,687
Speaker 2: number year it is for you, And it's some complicated

753
00:35:44,687 --> 00:35:46,807
Speaker 2: thing where you add your birthdays together and then you

754
00:35:46,927 --> 00:35:47,727
Speaker 2: de blah blah blah.

755
00:35:47,727 --> 00:35:48,447
Speaker 3: It's all the workers.

756
00:35:48,527 --> 00:35:50,207
Speaker 2: And one of the things I've been bitching about a

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00:35:50,207 --> 00:35:52,807
Speaker 2: lot lately is that this year I was supposed to

758
00:35:52,847 --> 00:35:54,527
Speaker 2: be less busy, but I appear to be more busy,

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00:35:54,567 --> 00:35:56,447
Speaker 2: and I've taken on a lot of extra work and

760
00:35:56,527 --> 00:35:58,767
Speaker 2: I should be more organized about it. And it's good

761
00:35:58,847 --> 00:36:01,207
Speaker 2: because it's good financially, but it's making my life hard.

762
00:36:01,247 --> 00:36:03,007
Speaker 2: And I bitch about that to anyone who listened. Jesse,

763
00:36:03,047 --> 00:36:04,287
Speaker 2: you hears me talk about it. But is that the

764
00:36:04,407 --> 00:36:05,287
Speaker 2: universe's fault?

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Speaker 3: Well, I added up my years. It's before for me.

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00:36:10,647 --> 00:36:13,527
Speaker 2: This year focuses on hard work and security. The opportunities

767
00:36:13,567 --> 00:36:15,807
Speaker 2: will be fantastic if you're willing to knuckle down, but

768
00:36:15,887 --> 00:36:18,807
Speaker 2: you need to be organized in all of your endeavors,

769
00:36:19,327 --> 00:36:22,407
Speaker 2: manage your time, money and resources carefully, et cetera, et cetera.

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00:36:22,487 --> 00:36:24,567
Speaker 2: And I was like, shit, it's true.

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00:36:25,007 --> 00:36:27,247
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's been a shame for you last

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00:36:27,327 --> 00:36:28,487
Speaker 3: year and the year before.

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Speaker 2: Every year is just a stupid four where it's like

774
00:36:34,087 --> 00:36:36,127
Speaker 2: I say yes to things I should have said no to.

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00:36:36,367 --> 00:36:39,327
Speaker 4: It's probably an addition error. Honestly, you're probably actually in

776
00:36:39,327 --> 00:36:40,447
Speaker 4: your year six only.

777
00:36:40,327 --> 00:36:43,247
Speaker 3: Hearing us love and abundance, Like we're all love and abundance.

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00:36:43,327 --> 00:36:45,807
Speaker 2: That's interesting about the eleven eleven because my late mother

779
00:36:45,847 --> 00:36:47,767
Speaker 2: in law, who regular out loud as well know, was

780
00:36:47,887 --> 00:36:50,327
Speaker 2: definitely on the woo wu side. She's psychic. She's an

781
00:36:50,327 --> 00:36:53,327
Speaker 2: amazing woman. She was always like, when you see eleven eleven,

782
00:36:53,367 --> 00:36:55,567
Speaker 2: it means the spirit world is trying to tell you something.

783
00:36:55,927 --> 00:36:58,487
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, is it just eleven eleven?

784
00:36:58,687 --> 00:36:59,567
Speaker 3: Really, Julie?

785
00:36:59,847 --> 00:37:03,407
Speaker 2: But every time I see eleven eleven, obviously think of Julie,

786
00:37:03,687 --> 00:37:06,007
Speaker 2: But I don't think that means Okay.

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00:37:06,207 --> 00:37:09,207
Speaker 4: What it actually is is it something called the frequency illusion,

788
00:37:09,607 --> 00:37:12,727
Speaker 4: which is a cognitive bias, which means that, for example,

789
00:37:12,727 --> 00:37:14,647
Speaker 4: you'll be listening to out loud and we'll say something

790
00:37:14,687 --> 00:37:16,967
Speaker 4: like let's say we'll say the name Andrew Garfield, and

791
00:37:17,007 --> 00:37:19,647
Speaker 4: then in the next three weeks you will go, Andrew

792
00:37:19,687 --> 00:37:22,807
Speaker 4: Garfield is everywhere ever since I heard them talk about it,

793
00:37:23,167 --> 00:37:25,047
Speaker 4: and yeah, maybe he's on a publicity trail. But the

794
00:37:25,047 --> 00:37:27,527
Speaker 4: point is that we have planted a seed and suddenly

795
00:37:27,567 --> 00:37:30,087
Speaker 4: you're seeing something that you probably saw our thousand times

796
00:37:30,127 --> 00:37:34,007
Speaker 4: before but never noticed. So that's the thing about angel numbers, right,

797
00:37:34,127 --> 00:37:36,207
Speaker 4: is that if you go right now, you choose a

798
00:37:36,247 --> 00:37:38,807
Speaker 4: number out of nowhere. Like the fact every time I

799
00:37:38,847 --> 00:37:41,367
Speaker 4: see twenty one, I noticed she just have an emotional

800
00:37:41,447 --> 00:37:45,367
Speaker 4: response means that I'm seeking it out, like it's just

801
00:37:45,407 --> 00:37:46,407
Speaker 4: how the brain works.

802
00:37:46,407 --> 00:37:48,807
Speaker 2: She's ruined all our fun But I like it. And

803
00:37:48,887 --> 00:37:51,487
Speaker 2: I also like the fact that this week is literally

804
00:37:51,567 --> 00:37:54,167
Speaker 2: the first time I've ever heard about angel numbers, and

805
00:37:54,247 --> 00:37:57,287
Speaker 2: am said about five years ago, me and all my

806
00:37:57,407 --> 00:38:00,127
Speaker 2: young girl friends started getting into them, so that tells

807
00:38:00,167 --> 00:38:00,567
Speaker 2: you everything.

808
00:38:01,567 --> 00:38:04,847
Speaker 4: Also mentioned that the woman who invented angel numbers regrets it,

809
00:38:04,927 --> 00:38:06,887
Speaker 4: regrets it and was like, actually, I totally made it.

810
00:38:07,047 --> 00:38:08,447
Speaker 3: Everyone's blaming me problem.

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00:38:08,647 --> 00:38:10,127
Speaker 2: I want to make something like that.

812
00:38:10,207 --> 00:38:11,727
Speaker 3: I know devil number idea.

813
00:38:13,687 --> 00:38:14,607
Speaker 10: I could have loved it.

814
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Speaker 2: All right. That is all we've got time for today.

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Speaker 2: A massive thank you to all of our out louders

816
00:38:20,567 --> 00:38:22,607
Speaker 2: for listening to us. Tell us what you thought about

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00:38:22,607 --> 00:38:24,847
Speaker 2: today's show, whether it's about the four day work week,

818
00:38:24,887 --> 00:38:27,487
Speaker 2: whether it's about whether or not you believe in angel numbers.

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Speaker 2: Please tell me you don't. We would love to hear

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Speaker 2: from you. We are going to be back in your

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Speaker 2: ears tomorrow. And thank you, of course to our wonderful

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Speaker 2: team helping us put this show together.

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Speaker 4: And if you want something else to listen to, yesterday,

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Speaker 4: we talked about attachment styles on our subscriber episode. Holly

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Speaker 4: me Or and I revealed our very different attachment styles

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Speaker 4: and it'll help you figure yours out as well. There

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Speaker 4: is a link to that in our show notes.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mama Mia subscribers listening. If you

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Speaker 2: love the show and you want to support us, subscribing

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