1 00:00:10,655 --> 00:00:12,305 Speaker 1: Makeup is my therapy. 2 00:00:13,424 --> 00:00:16,324 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it. 3 00:00:18,935 --> 00:00:21,894 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to You Beauty, the daily podcast for 4 00:00:21,894 --> 00:00:25,595 Speaker 2: your face. I'm Kelly McCarron and you're listening to The Formula. 5 00:00:26,214 --> 00:00:29,064 Speaker 2: Today I've got such an incredible guest lined up for you. 6 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:31,935 Speaker 2: I mean, I do every week, but I'm just so 7 00:00:31,935 --> 00:00:35,654 Speaker 2: excited to talk makeup with Max May. He's one of 8 00:00:35,654 --> 00:00:39,015 Speaker 2: Australia's top makeup artists and has dominated the industry for 9 00:00:39,015 --> 00:00:42,095 Speaker 2: over 20 years. He's the master behind some of. 10 00:00:42,219 --> 00:00:45,739 Speaker 2: Your favorite red carpet looks and the trusted hand behind 11 00:00:45,739 --> 00:00:49,458 Speaker 2: the makeup of some of Australia's biggest influencers. Max has 12 00:00:49,458 --> 00:00:52,259 Speaker 2: created looks for all of the high fashion editorials like 13 00:00:52,259 --> 00:00:55,579 Speaker 2: Vogue and Bizarre. He's worked with numerous top brands and 14 00:00:55,579 --> 00:01:00,348 Speaker 2: held masterclasses that blow attendees' minds. He's worked with much 15 00:01:00,348 --> 00:01:04,678 Speaker 2: loved celebs like Mel B, Drew Barrymore, Jodie Gordon, Elle Ferguson, 16 00:01:04,818 --> 00:01:05,719 Speaker 2: Beck Judd. 17 00:01:06,074 --> 00:01:09,915 Speaker 2: And he is the master of making effortlessly cool look 18 00:01:09,915 --> 00:01:14,395 Speaker 2: absolutely flawless. So thank you so much for joining us, Max. 19 00:01:14,715 --> 00:01:17,874 Speaker 2: You have such beautiful skin, but how? 20 00:01:19,855 --> 00:01:24,135 Speaker 2: OK, Max, you've spent over two decades defining the looks 21 00:01:24,135 --> 00:01:27,374 Speaker 2: we rip out of magazines and now screenshot, cause I 22 00:01:27,374 --> 00:01:30,194 Speaker 2: don't know, not many people are buying magazines these days. 23 00:01:30,415 --> 00:01:32,364 Speaker 2: Sometimes I do, sometimes I'm like, I'm gonna be a 24 00:01:32,364 --> 00:01:35,934 Speaker 2: magazine person again, and then I simply just, I do, 25 00:01:36,014 --> 00:01:38,145 Speaker 2: I do. I love like, you know, lying on a 26 00:01:38,145 --> 00:01:40,775 Speaker 2: beach and reading a magazine. You just feel very chic. 27 00:01:41,855 --> 00:01:45,834 Speaker 2: What have you seen change in how people approach beauty 28 00:01:46,215 --> 00:01:48,175 Speaker 2: from 20 years ago to now? 29 00:01:49,385 --> 00:01:54,465 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wow. shift. Yeah, I guess the biggest 30 00:01:54,465 --> 00:01:58,224 Speaker 2: shift is like accessibility, like what we have access to. 31 00:01:58,465 --> 00:02:04,334 Speaker 2: It's just an abundance of information and knowledge and people 32 00:02:04,334 --> 00:02:06,624 Speaker 2: are just really baffled by it because it's just like 33 00:02:06,624 --> 00:02:08,955 Speaker 2: coming at them from left, right and center, so I 34 00:02:08,955 --> 00:02:10,915 Speaker 2: really feel like people are kind of are a little 35 00:02:10,915 --> 00:02:14,754 Speaker 2: bit lost in the sense of like what they really want. 36 00:02:15,294 --> 00:02:18,724 Speaker 2: For themselves, they're kind of bamboozled with what everybody else 37 00:02:18,724 --> 00:02:21,465 Speaker 2: is doing and wearing, so I do find people are quite, 38 00:02:21,665 --> 00:02:23,385 Speaker 2: that would be the biggest thing is people are quite 39 00:02:23,385 --> 00:02:27,424 Speaker 2: complex about what they should be doing for themselves. You've 40 00:02:27,424 --> 00:02:30,265 Speaker 2: just actually blown my mind, it sounds so simple, but 41 00:02:30,265 --> 00:02:31,704 Speaker 2: you know how we always joke or, 42 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,439 Speaker 2: We make silly memes and such about how we looked 43 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:38,510 Speaker 2: like trolls growing up when we were teenagers, and the 44 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 2: teens today are like so hot and slaying their makeup routines. 45 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,989 Speaker 2: It's because they have access to tutorials and they're watching 46 00:02:46,989 --> 00:02:48,340 Speaker 2: influencers and they're watching, 47 00:02:48,864 --> 00:02:51,174 Speaker 2: Masterclasses and that sort of thing, that's why we didn't 48 00:02:51,174 --> 00:02:54,534 Speaker 2: have access. That's why we were trolls. We didn't we 49 00:02:54,534 --> 00:02:56,894 Speaker 2: have magazines and we waited for every month for it 50 00:02:56,894 --> 00:02:59,985 Speaker 2: to come out and they were gloss learn too much 51 00:02:59,985 --> 00:03:03,094 Speaker 2: from them, like you're not gonna learn techniques from a magazine. 52 00:03:03,424 --> 00:03:05,954 Speaker 2: That's the excuse. I also do think that the ugly 53 00:03:05,954 --> 00:03:07,125 Speaker 2: stage is character building. 54 00:03:09,125 --> 00:03:11,594 Speaker 2: That's why we've all got great senses of humor. Exactly, 55 00:03:11,844 --> 00:03:14,454 Speaker 2: and will that next generation, I don't know, maybe they won't. 56 00:03:14,735 --> 00:03:18,525 Speaker 2: They're just gonna be flops, just flops. I'm gonna run 57 00:03:18,525 --> 00:03:23,015 Speaker 2: you through, remind you of some really popular products over 58 00:03:23,015 --> 00:03:25,135 Speaker 2: the last 20 years that I'm sure you've used and 59 00:03:25,135 --> 00:03:27,495 Speaker 2: maybe you still do. I wanna know if you loved 60 00:03:27,495 --> 00:03:29,495 Speaker 2: them at the time and if you still use them 61 00:03:29,495 --> 00:03:33,864 Speaker 2: today or would if they still existed. Maybelline Instant Age. 62 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,269 Speaker 2: Wind razor. Oh, did I get into it? No, I didn't. 63 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: It was a little bit like no, and I don't 64 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: know if I would. Well, also it's not very, like 65 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,439 Speaker 2: I guess the ease of use at home, but you're 66 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:48,489 Speaker 2: not gonna use it on a set. No, not for me. Yeah, 67 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: not for you, not for me, but I can see 68 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:55,010 Speaker 2: where like it kind of connected with people for sure. Why? 69 00:03:55,019 --> 00:03:57,469 Speaker 2: I still use it. Do you? Yeah, it'd be top 70 00:03:57,469 --> 00:04:00,379 Speaker 2: like 10 products in my kit, I still use it. 71 00:04:00,844 --> 00:04:04,314 Speaker 2: Nobody has replicated that product other than, I mean, by 72 00:04:04,314 --> 00:04:06,594 Speaker 2: Terry tried to because she actually invented it and so 73 00:04:06,594 --> 00:04:09,515 Speaker 2: she came out with that whole range, but I still 74 00:04:09,515 --> 00:04:11,515 Speaker 2: use it, particularly on set when I'm shooting beauty cos 75 00:04:11,515 --> 00:04:14,915 Speaker 2: it's just so sheer and it's so responsive with it 76 00:04:14,915 --> 00:04:18,295 Speaker 2: being undetectable. Would you say it's better for young people though? 77 00:04:18,665 --> 00:04:20,745 Speaker 2: Used in the right way, it can be used for everybody, 78 00:04:20,795 --> 00:04:22,394 Speaker 2: like I love using it if, if I've done a 79 00:04:22,394 --> 00:04:24,694 Speaker 2: bold lip and I wanna clean up the edges. 80 00:04:24,995 --> 00:04:26,944 Speaker 2: And I'll use it because it just brightens those edges 81 00:04:26,944 --> 00:04:28,744 Speaker 2: and brings the lip forward. If I wanna clean up 82 00:04:28,744 --> 00:04:30,774 Speaker 2: a liquid liner, I'll use it to pop in there, 83 00:04:31,024 --> 00:04:32,705 Speaker 2: but then I'll go in and I'll mix it in 84 00:04:32,705 --> 00:04:35,184 Speaker 2: with my concealers when I'm laying them down to give 85 00:04:35,184 --> 00:04:37,024 Speaker 2: a little bit of brightness, or if there's a little 86 00:04:37,024 --> 00:04:38,974 Speaker 2: bit of darkness in the inner corner, I'll pop it 87 00:04:38,974 --> 00:04:41,284 Speaker 2: in there, if I want like that no makeup look, 88 00:04:41,705 --> 00:04:44,624 Speaker 2: which when I'm shooting editorial, generally we don't want to 89 00:04:44,624 --> 00:04:47,064 Speaker 2: see anything on the skin. For me, I love it, 90 00:04:47,335 --> 00:04:52,145 Speaker 2: still use it. The OG naked eyeshadow palettes. 91 00:04:52,784 --> 00:04:55,714 Speaker 2: Still got it, don't use it, just kept it because 92 00:04:55,714 --> 00:04:59,615 Speaker 2: it was such an iconic moment. nostalgic, right? I finally 93 00:04:59,615 --> 00:05:01,434 Speaker 2: bit cos I was just like, I simply do not 94 00:05:01,434 --> 00:05:03,355 Speaker 2: have the room to store these and I'm not gonna 95 00:05:03,355 --> 00:05:05,835 Speaker 2: use them, but I did keep them for ages because 96 00:05:05,835 --> 00:05:08,034 Speaker 2: I was like, I feel a connection with them. There's 97 00:05:08,034 --> 00:05:12,515 Speaker 2: so much nostalgia. That tin case of mine is, it 98 00:05:12,515 --> 00:05:15,274 Speaker 2: literally looks like people have driven over it, it's banged 99 00:05:15,274 --> 00:05:16,365 Speaker 2: and scratched, but. 100 00:05:16,555 --> 00:05:20,154 Speaker 2: I converted my garage into a makeup studio, so I 101 00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:23,425 Speaker 2: have wall units and I keep all my eye shadows 102 00:05:23,425 --> 00:05:25,754 Speaker 2: all stacked and it's in the kit with a few 103 00:05:25,754 --> 00:05:28,115 Speaker 2: other like old school Dior palettes and things that I 104 00:05:28,115 --> 00:05:32,244 Speaker 2: just think one day I'm gonna need that for something 105 00:05:32,244 --> 00:05:34,434 Speaker 2: or would you use it like if you were desperate 106 00:05:34,434 --> 00:05:36,874 Speaker 2: for a shade. Probably wouldn't use it, but as a 107 00:05:36,874 --> 00:05:40,355 Speaker 2: reference I could pull it out because it's like it's 108 00:05:40,355 --> 00:05:40,534 Speaker 2: a color. 109 00:05:40,825 --> 00:05:43,314 Speaker 2: In there that was just really iconic to that moment 110 00:05:43,314 --> 00:05:45,224 Speaker 2: or like I work with a lot of makeup brands, 111 00:05:45,235 --> 00:05:47,395 Speaker 2: so maybe I would need to draw on the particular 112 00:05:47,395 --> 00:05:50,915 Speaker 2: colors and why those colors worked. I just think also 113 00:05:50,915 --> 00:05:52,474 Speaker 2: as well, it was just one of those palettes that 114 00:05:52,474 --> 00:05:56,274 Speaker 2: I was just like, every day, on set, celebrity clients, 115 00:05:56,395 --> 00:05:59,024 Speaker 2: I was ripping out that palette and everyone was just like, 116 00:05:59,235 --> 00:06:01,515 Speaker 2: how did you get that palette, like where did you 117 00:06:01,515 --> 00:06:04,654 Speaker 2: get that palette? I feel like that palette to me. 118 00:06:05,274 --> 00:06:09,395 Speaker 2: Was the start of the general public getting obsessed with 119 00:06:09,395 --> 00:06:14,175 Speaker 2: makeup products, like that's the product that I think of, yes, yes, exactly, 120 00:06:14,274 --> 00:06:16,265 Speaker 2: not just like putting one thing, you know those tiny 121 00:06:16,265 --> 00:06:18,694 Speaker 2: little quads that our mums used back in the day. 122 00:06:20,004 --> 00:06:24,515 Speaker 2: Kylie lip kits, like the original matte. Yeah, never got 123 00:06:24,515 --> 00:06:27,395 Speaker 2: into them. I've got one Kylie pencil, I never got 124 00:06:27,395 --> 00:06:31,124 Speaker 2: into those lip kits. I'm not into those matte lipsticks, 125 00:06:31,205 --> 00:06:35,284 Speaker 2: it's not my vibe. So no. No. Maybelline Dream Matte 126 00:06:35,284 --> 00:06:36,385 Speaker 2: Mousse Foundation. 127 00:06:38,714 --> 00:06:42,675 Speaker 2: My aunt still uses, I'm pretty sure, a replica or 128 00:06:42,675 --> 00:06:47,075 Speaker 2: a version that they relaunched of that, and she reminded 129 00:06:47,075 --> 00:06:48,955 Speaker 2: me very similar to, I don't know if you remember 130 00:06:48,955 --> 00:06:52,795 Speaker 2: when Estee Lauder changed their iconic foundation recipe and all 131 00:06:52,795 --> 00:06:53,555 Speaker 2: the old ladies went. 132 00:06:53,665 --> 00:06:58,224 Speaker 2: Absolutely nuts. My aunt was losing it when they discontinued. 133 00:06:58,855 --> 00:07:01,714 Speaker 2: She was the mousse. Loved that mousse. Does she have 134 00:07:01,714 --> 00:07:06,154 Speaker 2: oily skin? Oh, loved it. So she's still on board, OK, 135 00:07:06,265 --> 00:07:08,524 Speaker 2: but you were not. Never. Very thick. Yeah. 136 00:07:09,885 --> 00:07:13,224 Speaker 2: Tarte Shape Tape. That's the concealer, right? Yeah, and people 137 00:07:13,274 --> 00:07:16,964 Speaker 2: in the 2016 YouTube era were doing like the huge 138 00:07:16,964 --> 00:07:21,045 Speaker 2: triangles under their eyes and don't mind it. I have 139 00:07:21,045 --> 00:07:23,194 Speaker 2: a couple of colors that I use as highlighters, and 140 00:07:23,194 --> 00:07:27,224 Speaker 2: in fact, they just launched a cream stick version. 141 00:07:28,075 --> 00:07:31,205 Speaker 2: The blur. I am using that on my mature girls, 142 00:07:31,214 --> 00:07:33,485 Speaker 2: and let me tell you, I'm loving it and they 143 00:07:33,485 --> 00:07:36,045 Speaker 2: are loving it as well. I have lost many of 144 00:07:36,045 --> 00:07:39,165 Speaker 2: those sticks since purchasing them because the girls are swiping them. 145 00:07:39,404 --> 00:07:41,805 Speaker 2: They're really good. I agree, and I, I've seen a 146 00:07:41,805 --> 00:07:44,284 Speaker 2: couple of reviews, people don't like them and I agree 147 00:07:44,284 --> 00:07:46,365 Speaker 2: with you. I love it. Oh, tap it on the 148 00:07:46,365 --> 00:07:47,765 Speaker 2: finger and just tap it on the face and let 149 00:07:47,765 --> 00:07:50,425 Speaker 2: it out, it's so smoothing, it's blurring heaven. 150 00:07:50,818 --> 00:07:52,017 Speaker 2: A little bit of oil in there if you want 151 00:07:52,017 --> 00:07:54,098 Speaker 2: to thin it out and then paint it on your 152 00:07:54,098 --> 00:07:58,257 Speaker 2: whole face and it just sets down. Gorgeous. The Becca 153 00:07:58,577 --> 00:08:04,968 Speaker 2: champagne pop. My like love for Becca like is just, 154 00:08:05,037 --> 00:08:07,618 Speaker 2: it's so iconic in. Were you so happy last year 155 00:08:07,618 --> 00:08:10,618 Speaker 2: when they brought back with Smashbox. Yeah, and so I 156 00:08:10,618 --> 00:08:13,577 Speaker 2: shot some Becca campaigns back in the day and. 157 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,870 Speaker 2: It's just like a ride or die product for me, 158 00:08:15,951 --> 00:08:19,191 Speaker 2: the highlighters, the liquid highlighters, they were the first to 159 00:08:19,191 --> 00:08:22,861 Speaker 2: do that, those foundations were amazing, the eye greases, like, 160 00:08:22,870 --> 00:08:26,111 Speaker 2: loved it all, use it all, still have some like 161 00:08:26,111 --> 00:08:29,750 Speaker 2: little skerricks of eye glosses and things still in my 162 00:08:29,750 --> 00:08:34,411 Speaker 2: drawers that I've just kept because I love. And they're irreplaceable, irreplaceable. Finally, 163 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:36,441 Speaker 2: Jeffree Star skin Frost. 164 00:08:37,385 --> 00:08:42,074 Speaker 2: Do you remember these? They were literal frosts, like the 165 00:08:42,074 --> 00:08:47,175 Speaker 2: most tacky. It's almost like crystals on your skin highlight, 166 00:08:47,675 --> 00:08:51,834 Speaker 2: like really thick frosting. Oh gosh, you didn't never tried 167 00:08:51,834 --> 00:08:54,115 Speaker 2: it probably for the best. I used to. 168 00:08:55,065 --> 00:08:57,505 Speaker 2: Did you whip it out on the top of the cheeks, 169 00:08:57,534 --> 00:09:02,315 Speaker 2: on the eyebrow? I was very into my 2016 YouTube era, 170 00:09:02,704 --> 00:09:04,904 Speaker 2: look real good in real life. So your work has 171 00:09:04,904 --> 00:09:08,724 Speaker 2: graced every Vogue and Bizarre page globally. How do you 172 00:09:08,904 --> 00:09:13,764 Speaker 2: adapt that high gloss editorial artistry for an iPhone screen, 173 00:09:13,935 --> 00:09:18,125 Speaker 2: and what's the biggest difference between setting a magazine standard. 174 00:09:19,269 --> 00:09:24,540 Speaker 2: Then moving on to like digital storytelling. OK, very, very different. Yeah, 175 00:09:24,740 --> 00:09:27,860 Speaker 2: like less is more when I worked in fashion and 176 00:09:27,860 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: when I still work in fashion, when I go there, 177 00:09:30,219 --> 00:09:33,779 Speaker 2: it's very minimal, it's very intentional, and then, you know, 178 00:09:33,860 --> 00:09:36,500 Speaker 2: when I go into my digital persona because I do 179 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:40,259 Speaker 2: have two very different portfolios and two very different styles 180 00:09:40,259 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: of work. 181 00:09:41,375 --> 00:09:45,094 Speaker 2: It is a little bit more kind of polished and 182 00:09:45,094 --> 00:09:47,685 Speaker 2: glossy and a little bit more kind of glam and 183 00:09:47,685 --> 00:09:51,094 Speaker 2: obvious and I layer a lot more products and things 184 00:09:51,094 --> 00:09:54,214 Speaker 2: like that when I'm working in that digital space, which 185 00:09:54,214 --> 00:09:57,134 Speaker 2: I think kind of more translates more into girls doing 186 00:09:57,134 --> 00:10:00,055 Speaker 2: their own makeup and getting longevity and things like that. 187 00:10:00,134 --> 00:10:02,935 Speaker 2: When I'm creating a picture and I'm on set doing that, 188 00:10:03,014 --> 00:10:04,154 Speaker 2: it's for that moment. 189 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:07,610 Speaker 2: You know, so I'm looking at getting the perfect finish 190 00:10:07,610 --> 00:10:10,170 Speaker 2: rather than saying that this is going to last. And 191 00:10:10,170 --> 00:10:13,610 Speaker 2: I guess that digital kind of makeup also translates over 192 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:18,409 Speaker 2: into my very much my celebrity kind of glams, red 193 00:10:18,409 --> 00:10:20,529 Speaker 2: carpet where I need things to kind of last a 194 00:10:20,529 --> 00:10:22,290 Speaker 2: little bit longer or they're going to go off on 195 00:10:22,290 --> 00:10:26,969 Speaker 2: their day. So two very different styles. Yeah, that makes 196 00:10:26,969 --> 00:10:27,709 Speaker 2: sense and. 197 00:10:28,355 --> 00:10:30,865 Speaker 2: I guess with all of the looks that you do though, 198 00:10:31,034 --> 00:10:34,154 Speaker 2: skin prep, and your skin prep and your love of 199 00:10:34,154 --> 00:10:37,675 Speaker 2: it is very iconic. So break it down for us, like, 200 00:10:37,704 --> 00:10:40,774 Speaker 2: do you have a secret to really plumping skin and 201 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:44,954 Speaker 2: making foundation stay all day? Do you use primers, like 202 00:10:44,954 --> 00:10:49,154 Speaker 2: I'm anti-primer. Really? I don't like primers unless the primer. 203 00:10:49,511 --> 00:10:53,011 Speaker 2: is like a pore refiner, like one size has a 204 00:10:53,011 --> 00:10:56,691 Speaker 2: pore refining silicon moment, which I'll use a lot around 205 00:10:56,691 --> 00:10:58,651 Speaker 2: the nose and these kind of pore areas and stuff, 206 00:10:58,660 --> 00:11:01,011 Speaker 2: and I'll put it on, but generally primers, nah, not 207 00:11:01,011 --> 00:11:03,521 Speaker 2: into it, don't believe in it. I believe in skincare. 208 00:11:03,771 --> 00:11:05,891 Speaker 2: I believe in good skin prep, so you know, like 209 00:11:05,891 --> 00:11:08,451 Speaker 2: I will do everything from doing like a Paula's Choice 210 00:11:08,451 --> 00:11:10,131 Speaker 2: liquid exfoliating and then. 211 00:11:10,467 --> 00:11:12,307 Speaker 2: You know, I'll go in and do a moisture mask 212 00:11:12,307 --> 00:11:14,506 Speaker 2: and then I put my hyaluronics on, and then I 213 00:11:14,506 --> 00:11:16,927 Speaker 2: put my moistures on, and then I put my sunscreen on, 214 00:11:16,936 --> 00:11:19,617 Speaker 2: and then maybe I'll kind of come in and, you know, 215 00:11:19,907 --> 00:11:21,746 Speaker 2: do a little bit of a, of a, of a 216 00:11:21,746 --> 00:11:25,026 Speaker 2: primer if I absolutely need it in a patch. So yeah, 217 00:11:25,146 --> 00:11:28,186 Speaker 2: skincare's a major part of what I do. I think 218 00:11:28,186 --> 00:11:31,107 Speaker 2: I really built my style off that. 219 00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:34,074 Speaker 2: Because you were doing it rather than saying come with 220 00:11:34,074 --> 00:11:37,875 Speaker 2: your skincare. Yeah, like I was into the massages, I 221 00:11:37,875 --> 00:11:40,555 Speaker 2: was really into products, and I worked out really early 222 00:11:40,555 --> 00:11:41,995 Speaker 2: in my career that, 223 00:11:42,324 --> 00:11:44,594 Speaker 2: It was important for makeup not only to look good 224 00:11:44,594 --> 00:11:47,755 Speaker 2: in the picture, but also to look good in real life, 225 00:11:47,795 --> 00:11:50,995 Speaker 2: because we were moving kind of into that digital moment, 226 00:11:51,074 --> 00:11:53,634 Speaker 2: so I kind of started to foresee that, so I 227 00:11:53,634 --> 00:11:56,315 Speaker 2: really worked on skin and I also noticed that girls 228 00:11:56,315 --> 00:11:59,625 Speaker 2: were like, oh my God, my skin looks amazing. But also, 229 00:11:59,834 --> 00:12:02,915 Speaker 2: I was just able to manipulate makeup a lot better 230 00:12:02,915 --> 00:12:04,795 Speaker 2: when I put that time in, 231 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:08,695 Speaker 2: To the skincare, I could see the result a lot more, 232 00:12:08,824 --> 00:12:10,605 Speaker 2: so for me it's a huge part of my career, 233 00:12:10,654 --> 00:12:13,284 Speaker 2: I love it. It's crazy what a different your makeup 234 00:12:13,284 --> 00:12:16,214 Speaker 2: will look just from a few minutes massaging. 235 00:12:16,485 --> 00:12:19,644 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a nice little face massage. It changes everything, 236 00:12:19,724 --> 00:12:22,324 Speaker 2: the way it goes down, the way it blends, the 237 00:12:22,324 --> 00:12:26,245 Speaker 2: way it lasts, just your finish, like, I'm constantly, I 238 00:12:26,245 --> 00:12:28,404 Speaker 2: feel like a broken record, I'm always like, guys, you 239 00:12:28,404 --> 00:12:30,474 Speaker 2: want your foundation to look like that, it's not about 240 00:12:30,474 --> 00:12:33,464 Speaker 2: the foundation, like it's about your skincare, it's about your skin. 241 00:12:33,774 --> 00:12:37,365 Speaker 2: Look after your skin, like you have to take that 242 00:12:37,365 --> 00:12:40,005 Speaker 2: step really seriously because you will not get, 243 00:12:40,524 --> 00:12:44,105 Speaker 2: The finish that I have got without doing that. Exactly, 244 00:12:44,565 --> 00:12:48,094 Speaker 2: and I just got a flashback to the troll era, 245 00:12:48,605 --> 00:12:55,805 Speaker 2: where I would put the Maybelline Mousse on unmoisturized acneic skin. Oh, 246 00:12:56,445 --> 00:12:58,675 Speaker 2: that would have been a a real treat to the 247 00:12:58,675 --> 00:13:03,524 Speaker 2: eyes of anyone walking past like concrete d bad, bad. 248 00:13:06,245 --> 00:13:10,005 Speaker 2: You love blush. Yeah, I've got a blush obsession. So 249 00:13:10,005 --> 00:13:11,884 Speaker 2: do I. I love blush. People who don't like blush, 250 00:13:11,964 --> 00:13:14,394 Speaker 2: I'm like, why? It makes you look youthful, it makes 251 00:13:14,394 --> 00:13:16,584 Speaker 2: you look healthy, like I'm obsessed. 252 00:13:17,105 --> 00:13:20,344 Speaker 2: You know, we're entering summer here in Australia, how can 253 00:13:20,344 --> 00:13:24,745 Speaker 2: people easily start incorporating it into their beauty routine? Do 254 00:13:24,745 --> 00:13:27,584 Speaker 2: you have any faves that you think are universally flattering, 255 00:13:27,945 --> 00:13:29,985 Speaker 2: or methods of application, because people go, oh where should 256 00:13:29,985 --> 00:13:32,344 Speaker 2: I put it? I'm like, I don't know, wherever suits you. Yeah, 257 00:13:32,545 --> 00:13:35,425 Speaker 2: definitely wear blush, blush is for everybody. People who don't 258 00:13:35,425 --> 00:13:36,904 Speaker 2: like blush, I mean I put them in the same 259 00:13:36,904 --> 00:13:37,824 Speaker 2: category as people who don't like. 260 00:13:38,695 --> 00:13:44,014 Speaker 2: Agree, agree, because also maybe you just used a Barbie 261 00:13:44,014 --> 00:13:46,605 Speaker 2: one that looks awful on you or like an orange one. Well, 262 00:13:46,774 --> 00:13:49,295 Speaker 2: I think that people are quite scared of blush because 263 00:13:49,295 --> 00:13:51,654 Speaker 2: it can go wrong, but I think our formulations have 264 00:13:51,654 --> 00:13:54,134 Speaker 2: changed so much. Like there's a lot of flexibility in 265 00:13:54,134 --> 00:13:57,974 Speaker 2: it now. Blush fixes so many things. It de-ages us, 266 00:13:58,055 --> 00:13:58,704 Speaker 2: it brightens our skin. 267 00:13:58,844 --> 00:14:01,365 Speaker 2: And it brightens out under eyes, it helps, you know, 268 00:14:01,524 --> 00:14:04,764 Speaker 2: contrast against under-eye darkness if you're tired, if you feel 269 00:14:04,764 --> 00:14:06,764 Speaker 2: very sallow, if you, you know, feel like you haven't 270 00:14:06,764 --> 00:14:08,805 Speaker 2: had a tan and you need some color, like it 271 00:14:08,805 --> 00:14:12,665 Speaker 2: brightens up your eye color, like it volumizes your face. 272 00:14:12,964 --> 00:14:16,485 Speaker 2: It does so many things. I would rather leave the 273 00:14:16,485 --> 00:14:20,625 Speaker 2: house without mascara on the blush. Oh, for sure. 274 00:14:21,084 --> 00:14:27,644 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 100%, like it's just heaven. I agree, I'm with you, sister. Um, applications, 275 00:14:27,805 --> 00:14:30,435 Speaker 2: so I love a cream formula, but I love to layer. 276 00:14:30,565 --> 00:14:33,365 Speaker 2: I layer my cream and my powder generally in a 277 00:14:33,365 --> 00:14:37,005 Speaker 2: 33 stacker. So I'll put down my cream, I'll set 278 00:14:37,005 --> 00:14:38,724 Speaker 2: all around it, then I'll put on the powder. 279 00:14:38,820 --> 00:14:41,300 Speaker 2: But I generally, like I'll put a bright color down 280 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:42,779 Speaker 2: first in the cream, and then I'll put a really 281 00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:46,219 Speaker 2: really light version of that cream down. So say if 282 00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:49,380 Speaker 2: I used a, a really beautiful like pink color, I 283 00:14:49,380 --> 00:14:51,579 Speaker 2: would put that bright color down first, and then I'd 284 00:14:51,579 --> 00:14:54,099 Speaker 2: use a really lighter version of that and I'd dust 285 00:14:54,099 --> 00:14:56,620 Speaker 2: it over the top to kind of set that cream. 286 00:14:56,964 --> 00:14:59,204 Speaker 2: And then I take a little bit of that cream 287 00:14:59,204 --> 00:15:01,524 Speaker 2: that I originally laid down the brighter, and I'll just 288 00:15:01,524 --> 00:15:03,954 Speaker 2: dab it on like the highest point, or maybe I'll 289 00:15:03,954 --> 00:15:06,204 Speaker 2: dab it in the center of the cheek, depending on 290 00:15:06,204 --> 00:15:09,404 Speaker 2: my blush style, just to give me that kind of 291 00:15:09,404 --> 00:15:13,855 Speaker 2: three dimensional kind of layering effect. And also, it just 292 00:15:13,855 --> 00:15:14,425 Speaker 2: helps it. 293 00:15:14,779 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: is the most important thing, it really helps it last 294 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,820 Speaker 2: because blush evaporates really really does. I always think I'm 295 00:15:20,820 --> 00:15:23,269 Speaker 2: like if I leave the house looking a little bit clown-like, 296 00:15:23,420 --> 00:15:25,139 Speaker 2: I'm OK with that because I feel like by the 297 00:15:25,139 --> 00:15:28,139 Speaker 2: time I get wherever I'm going, it's going to look human. 298 00:15:28,259 --> 00:15:31,540 Speaker 2: 15 minutes, it's gonna sink in. Exactly, yeah, and I 299 00:15:31,540 --> 00:15:32,670 Speaker 2: think that is a really, 300 00:15:33,175 --> 00:15:35,704 Speaker 2: A good thing to focus on with that situation is 301 00:15:35,704 --> 00:15:38,264 Speaker 2: using a cream first, because the cream will really sink 302 00:15:38,264 --> 00:15:41,505 Speaker 2: into your foundation and it'll sort of look like it's 303 00:15:41,505 --> 00:15:44,824 Speaker 2: coming through the foundation, so I think it's really good 304 00:15:44,824 --> 00:15:47,815 Speaker 2: to use a cream first and then to set it. Agreed. Yeah. 305 00:15:48,264 --> 00:15:49,384 Speaker 2: Do you have any favorites? 306 00:15:49,884 --> 00:15:53,425 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I am such a blush, I get around. 307 00:15:57,704 --> 00:15:59,404 Speaker 2: I don't. I like to be blush. Yeah, I, I 308 00:15:59,404 --> 00:16:00,925 Speaker 2: was gonna say that and then I thought don't say that. No, no, 309 00:16:00,974 --> 00:16:02,445 Speaker 2: I said I knew you were thinking it, so I 310 00:16:02,445 --> 00:16:04,925 Speaker 2: said it. I don't say that, that's a bad word. Yeah, 311 00:16:05,084 --> 00:16:09,884 Speaker 2: so rare beauty, love rare beauty, friendly. Yeah, well, I 312 00:16:09,884 --> 00:16:11,764 Speaker 2: think it, yeah, it can be a little bit, tap 313 00:16:11,764 --> 00:16:13,805 Speaker 2: it on the back of your hand, work it into 314 00:16:13,805 --> 00:16:16,245 Speaker 2: your brush, then put it onto your face, so kind 315 00:16:16,245 --> 00:16:19,344 Speaker 2: of prime your brush first rather than dabbing it onto the. 316 00:16:19,477 --> 00:16:21,917 Speaker 2: To the cheeks like everybody does on social, like, don't 317 00:16:21,917 --> 00:16:23,998 Speaker 2: ever do that with a liquid blush. Always work it 318 00:16:23,998 --> 00:16:26,128 Speaker 2: into the back of the hand. You'll get a softer, 319 00:16:26,277 --> 00:16:31,428 Speaker 2: nicer effect. I really love the Dior glow blushes. They're 320 00:16:31,428 --> 00:16:36,318 Speaker 2: really sheer and very user-friendly. Nude sticks, love nude sticks. 321 00:16:36,518 --> 00:16:38,277 Speaker 2: And so many shades. Love that I can put them 322 00:16:38,277 --> 00:16:41,998 Speaker 2: on eyes. I am lips a little lazy. I like 323 00:16:41,998 --> 00:16:45,118 Speaker 2: to use multi-use things. I love the idea of having a, 324 00:16:45,198 --> 00:16:46,868 Speaker 2: a cream that I can put on the cheek. I'll 325 00:16:46,868 --> 00:16:48,118 Speaker 2: put a little bit on the eyes, I'll put a 326 00:16:48,118 --> 00:16:49,198 Speaker 2: little bit on the lips, I'll put the line. 327 00:16:49,381 --> 00:16:52,951 Speaker 2: Later on and I'm like, oh sweet. Done, done. You 328 00:16:52,951 --> 00:16:57,011 Speaker 2: have an absolute roll call of icons in your list 329 00:16:57,011 --> 00:17:00,071 Speaker 2: of clientele from Mel B to Drew Barrymore. What's the 330 00:17:00,071 --> 00:17:06,031 Speaker 2: most surprising or unexpected beauty ritual that you've ever witnessed 331 00:17:06,031 --> 00:17:09,350 Speaker 2: from one of these high profile clients? Like just something 332 00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:12,471 Speaker 2: so random that you go, that is shocking, but I'm 333 00:17:12,471 --> 00:17:15,591 Speaker 2: here for it. Oh my gosh, let me think. Like 334 00:17:15,591 --> 00:17:18,030 Speaker 2: a beauty version of, do you remember that moment where 335 00:17:18,030 --> 00:17:19,010 Speaker 2: Anne Hathaway. 336 00:17:19,654 --> 00:17:21,175 Speaker 2: Ate the cupcake from the. 337 00:17:21,984 --> 00:17:24,185 Speaker 2: How did she do it? Oh, she like broke it 338 00:17:24,185 --> 00:17:26,415 Speaker 2: apart and then put the icing in the middle so 339 00:17:26,415 --> 00:17:28,345 Speaker 2: it was like a little cake, so then, yeah, like 340 00:17:28,345 --> 00:17:31,705 Speaker 2: a cupcake sandwich, so then no bite didn't have a 341 00:17:31,705 --> 00:17:35,264 Speaker 2: lot of icing and everyone went, oh my God, that's genius, right. Yeah, 342 00:17:35,384 --> 00:17:38,374 Speaker 2: so something like that but beauty related. OK, I can't 343 00:17:38,374 --> 00:17:40,825 Speaker 2: mention the names because I could never give away, I mean, 344 00:17:40,864 --> 00:17:44,264 Speaker 2: I'm very much trusted in these positions, but. 345 00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:47,530 Speaker 2: I had a client who used to, instead of using 346 00:17:47,530 --> 00:17:51,451 Speaker 2: a leave-in conditioner, she used to put olive oil in 347 00:17:51,451 --> 00:17:55,660 Speaker 2: the ends of her hair and rock up and then 348 00:17:55,660 --> 00:17:57,851 Speaker 2: want me to do like a huge blow dry. And 349 00:17:57,851 --> 00:18:00,851 Speaker 2: you were like, ma'am I I was like, girl, your 350 00:18:00,851 --> 00:18:03,451 Speaker 2: hair looks like, I don't know, and I would be 351 00:18:03,451 --> 00:18:06,121 Speaker 2: at the back with like the dry shampoo trying to 352 00:18:06,121 --> 00:18:06,851 Speaker 2: kind of like get it. 353 00:18:07,036 --> 00:18:09,316 Speaker 2: It out of the of the ends of her hair. 354 00:18:10,027 --> 00:18:12,227 Speaker 2: So I think that was probably the craziest thing, yeah, 355 00:18:12,277 --> 00:18:15,836 Speaker 2: it was the olive oil. Let's talk about a bit 356 00:18:15,836 --> 00:18:19,556 Speaker 2: of a common myth or debate if you will, so 357 00:18:19,556 --> 00:18:24,517 Speaker 2: setting powder, what is something that you see that you 358 00:18:24,517 --> 00:18:27,357 Speaker 2: just go, oh my goodness, like whether it's online or 359 00:18:27,357 --> 00:18:29,416 Speaker 2: just in real life when people, 360 00:18:29,744 --> 00:18:32,945 Speaker 2: Are setting their faces, like do you believe in powder 361 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:36,185 Speaker 2: all over, do you believe in more targeted, do you 362 00:18:36,185 --> 00:18:40,805 Speaker 2: think everyone needs powder? Yeah, look, I mean it's so subjective, 363 00:18:40,975 --> 00:18:43,185 Speaker 2: isn't it, depending on the result you want. I use 364 00:18:43,185 --> 00:18:45,955 Speaker 2: powder on every type of makeup for every type of finish, 365 00:18:47,345 --> 00:18:49,225 Speaker 2: so you know, if I'm using a radiant foundation, a 366 00:18:49,225 --> 00:18:51,604 Speaker 2: radiant foundation is designed to powder. 367 00:18:52,024 --> 00:18:53,795 Speaker 2: And if you don't powder it, it is going to 368 00:18:53,795 --> 00:18:57,114 Speaker 2: slip and it is going to move. It will become radiant, 369 00:18:57,195 --> 00:18:58,585 Speaker 2: you just need to give it a little bit of time, 370 00:18:58,595 --> 00:19:00,545 Speaker 2: or maybe you need to use some sort of setting 371 00:19:00,545 --> 00:19:02,585 Speaker 2: spray to kind of melt the powder in. 372 00:19:03,274 --> 00:19:06,795 Speaker 2: I guess the biggest mistake that I see is the 373 00:19:06,795 --> 00:19:09,435 Speaker 2: amount of powder, and I don't think that that's necessarily 374 00:19:09,435 --> 00:19:13,295 Speaker 2: like a general public issue. It's what social media has, 375 00:19:13,715 --> 00:19:17,475 Speaker 2: you know, tricked people into believing and is that is 376 00:19:17,475 --> 00:19:20,154 Speaker 2: they need to put so much on. You don't. And 377 00:19:20,154 --> 00:19:22,994 Speaker 2: you don't need to put it all over. Like you 378 00:19:22,994 --> 00:19:26,435 Speaker 2: can be really specific with it, less is more, apply 379 00:19:26,435 --> 00:19:26,994 Speaker 2: one light layer. 380 00:19:27,205 --> 00:19:28,925 Speaker 2: And then come back in and do another one if 381 00:19:28,925 --> 00:19:31,404 Speaker 2: you're unsure. So I guess that's the biggest mistake is 382 00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:33,644 Speaker 2: that influencers, you know, making out that you need to 383 00:19:33,644 --> 00:19:36,045 Speaker 2: use all this product, you know, it goes, it goes 384 00:19:36,045 --> 00:19:37,555 Speaker 2: across the board for all of it. Like, oh, you've 385 00:19:37,555 --> 00:19:39,604 Speaker 2: gotta apply all this foundation on, like that, all that 386 00:19:39,604 --> 00:19:42,445 Speaker 2: foundation does not look good in life. No. It only 387 00:19:42,445 --> 00:19:44,364 Speaker 2: looks good in front of their camera lighting, like this 388 00:19:44,364 --> 00:19:46,604 Speaker 2: beautiful lighting that we have right here where we've got 389 00:19:46,604 --> 00:19:49,205 Speaker 2: all these beautiful highlights bouncing on us. In real life, 390 00:19:49,234 --> 00:19:51,045 Speaker 2: you don't need to have all of that makeup. 391 00:19:51,254 --> 00:19:54,534 Speaker 2: So I think powder, less is more, be specific with it, 392 00:19:54,654 --> 00:19:56,284 Speaker 2: put it around the nose if you get oily there. 393 00:19:56,335 --> 00:19:58,695 Speaker 2: If you've got smile lines and and you find that 394 00:19:58,695 --> 00:20:00,965 Speaker 2: they get a little shiny and too enhanced, put a 395 00:20:00,965 --> 00:20:02,295 Speaker 2: little bit of powder there, put a little bit in 396 00:20:02,295 --> 00:20:05,475 Speaker 2: the middle of the forehead, be really kind of specific 397 00:20:05,475 --> 00:20:07,534 Speaker 2: with it, and then if you get halfway through the 398 00:20:07,534 --> 00:20:08,695 Speaker 2: day and you look at your face and you look 399 00:20:08,695 --> 00:20:10,534 Speaker 2: like a disco ball, then just put it all over. 400 00:20:11,095 --> 00:20:14,284 Speaker 2: Then rethink, rethink that you need to use a bit more, 401 00:20:14,374 --> 00:20:14,994 Speaker 2: but yes. 402 00:20:17,774 --> 00:20:21,575 Speaker 2: You funneled over 15 years of your secrets into the 403 00:20:21,575 --> 00:20:27,815 Speaker 2: sculpt and defined masterclass. What's one signature technique that you, well, I, 404 00:20:27,894 --> 00:20:29,835 Speaker 2: I really need to teach people this. 405 00:20:30,695 --> 00:20:34,494 Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to start that makeup course again. I, 406 00:20:34,575 --> 00:20:40,575 Speaker 2: it went off. COVID and it went absolutely nuts, and 407 00:20:40,575 --> 00:20:43,774 Speaker 2: it was a membership as well, which I wanted to 408 00:20:43,774 --> 00:20:46,854 Speaker 2: break all the rules because people were doing masterclasses and 409 00:20:46,854 --> 00:20:50,095 Speaker 2: they're still doing it, and it's about their look. But 410 00:20:50,095 --> 00:20:50,654 Speaker 2: I said to you that. 411 00:20:50,904 --> 00:20:53,884 Speaker 2: Before about, you know, trends, the T word, which is 412 00:20:53,884 --> 00:20:57,624 Speaker 2: such a double-edged sword for me, topic wise. You're teaching 413 00:20:57,624 --> 00:20:59,925 Speaker 2: one look. That one look doesn't look good on everyone. 414 00:21:00,004 --> 00:21:02,555 Speaker 2: And yeah, I understand that you can take little parts 415 00:21:02,555 --> 00:21:04,884 Speaker 2: of that, and yes, that works for people as well. 416 00:21:04,965 --> 00:21:07,805 Speaker 2: I agree, it's not completely wrong. But what I wanted 417 00:21:07,805 --> 00:21:10,244 Speaker 2: to do with my masterclass was teach girls how to 418 00:21:10,244 --> 00:21:10,965 Speaker 2: understand their, 419 00:21:11,534 --> 00:21:14,415 Speaker 2: Face, whether it be their coloring, whether it be their 420 00:21:14,415 --> 00:21:17,805 Speaker 2: face shape, and how to see that, how to recognize that, 421 00:21:17,854 --> 00:21:22,095 Speaker 2: and how to enhance that with makeup, specifically for them. 422 00:21:22,215 --> 00:21:24,335 Speaker 2: So I had a lot of like pictures, I had 423 00:21:24,335 --> 00:21:26,534 Speaker 2: a lot of color tabs that girls could look at 424 00:21:26,534 --> 00:21:28,575 Speaker 2: to see what sort of skin tone they were, to 425 00:21:28,575 --> 00:21:30,415 Speaker 2: work out what kind of foundation they were, what kind 426 00:21:30,415 --> 00:21:32,095 Speaker 2: of blush tones they were, what kind of lip tones. 427 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 2: And then I had like a lot of eye shapes, 428 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: cheek shapes, face shapes, lip shapes, so girls could recognize 429 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,609 Speaker 2: what they were so that they could enhance their lip 430 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,460 Speaker 2: to make their face look more symmetric or enhance those features. 431 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,519 Speaker 2: And also it was really a big part of it 432 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: was about breaking down that idea that makeup is there 433 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: to cover. It's there to enhance. We're a little bit 434 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: broken in the sense that we're clickbait is to tell people, ooh. 435 00:21:59,124 --> 00:22:02,244 Speaker 2: You know, you wanna be unfashionable this season, you know, 436 00:22:02,404 --> 00:22:05,165 Speaker 2: don't do this, where I was like, look at your face, 437 00:22:05,284 --> 00:22:08,004 Speaker 2: find the things that you love, enhance those things, and 438 00:22:08,004 --> 00:22:10,484 Speaker 2: what you will actually find is that you won't see 439 00:22:10,484 --> 00:22:12,725 Speaker 2: the things that you dislike, because all the attention will 440 00:22:12,725 --> 00:22:14,225 Speaker 2: be on the things that you love. 441 00:22:14,825 --> 00:22:17,425 Speaker 2: And I think that's why it did pop off in 442 00:22:17,425 --> 00:22:19,984 Speaker 2: that sense, and I still have girls that are like, 443 00:22:20,065 --> 00:22:22,774 Speaker 2: can you do that again or can you just reactivate that, 444 00:22:22,784 --> 00:22:24,425 Speaker 2: cos I had to close the website down because it 445 00:22:24,425 --> 00:22:26,705 Speaker 2: was just like, I didn't have time and I just 446 00:22:26,705 --> 00:22:28,904 Speaker 2: felt like it was old, you know, I saw things 447 00:22:28,904 --> 00:22:31,585 Speaker 2: that needed to be fixed or or repaired, that still 448 00:22:31,585 --> 00:22:33,575 Speaker 2: talk to me about it. I have girls that turned up. 449 00:22:33,774 --> 00:22:35,825 Speaker 2: I did a YSL master classes, they turned up with 450 00:22:35,825 --> 00:22:39,384 Speaker 2: the printouts. Oh bless them. Being like, hey, in this 451 00:22:39,384 --> 00:22:40,894 Speaker 2: bit when you said this and I was like, 452 00:22:41,315 --> 00:22:43,555 Speaker 2: What is that? And I'm looking and I was like, 453 00:22:43,595 --> 00:22:49,394 Speaker 2: oh my God, it was in a downloadable PDF thing, yeah, 454 00:22:49,595 --> 00:22:52,575 Speaker 2: so people could download it, so they they printed it out. 455 00:22:53,134 --> 00:22:57,534 Speaker 2: That's so cute. Looking back over the past 20 years, 456 00:22:57,654 --> 00:23:01,175 Speaker 2: what is the biggest, most revolutionary technique you've seen the 457 00:23:01,175 --> 00:23:05,494 Speaker 2: average person adopt that you would never have believed possible 458 00:23:05,494 --> 00:23:08,734 Speaker 2: back when you were working on those early shoots? Oh gosh, 459 00:23:08,845 --> 00:23:11,815 Speaker 2: there's a few things. I'm gonna say probably the first 460 00:23:11,815 --> 00:23:16,894 Speaker 2: thing would be contouring. I have pictures on Polaroids before 461 00:23:16,894 --> 00:23:18,774 Speaker 2: we went to digital, that's how old I am. 462 00:23:20,524 --> 00:23:23,524 Speaker 2: Of girls on set with what I call the Lion 463 00:23:23,524 --> 00:23:27,154 Speaker 2: King face on where I'd painted the contour, painted the highlight, 464 00:23:27,335 --> 00:23:29,534 Speaker 2: and I was blending it and the photographer had come 465 00:23:29,534 --> 00:23:31,894 Speaker 2: over to test the Polaroids and had taken a snap, 466 00:23:31,925 --> 00:23:34,455 Speaker 2: and I still have those. And I think, if I 467 00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:37,225 Speaker 2: had only published that or if I had, my magazine 468 00:23:37,225 --> 00:23:39,685 Speaker 2: had only published that, because when that boomed, when Kim 469 00:23:39,685 --> 00:23:42,215 Speaker 2: Kardashian did that, I was just like, like it was 470 00:23:42,215 --> 00:23:45,815 Speaker 2: like something new. All of us makeup artists were like, huh? 471 00:23:46,624 --> 00:23:48,415 Speaker 2: And all of the drag queens that had been doing 472 00:23:48,415 --> 00:23:51,534 Speaker 2: the drag makeup forever, they're like, hello sis, you did 473 00:23:51,534 --> 00:23:54,784 Speaker 2: not invent this. Yeah, well it comes from theater. Originally 474 00:23:54,784 --> 00:23:56,955 Speaker 2: that's where it come from, from theater and that's where 475 00:23:56,955 --> 00:23:59,675 Speaker 2: we'd adapted it and we'd obviously minimized it a lot 476 00:23:59,675 --> 00:24:02,034 Speaker 2: in fashion because less is kind of more in that situation, 477 00:24:02,075 --> 00:24:04,114 Speaker 2: but it was something there, but you know what, it 478 00:24:04,114 --> 00:24:06,795 Speaker 2: was a really defining moment for me at that point 479 00:24:06,795 --> 00:24:07,675 Speaker 2: when I saw her do that. 480 00:24:08,398 --> 00:24:10,437 Speaker 2: My Instagram had been going, but it was not, I 481 00:24:10,437 --> 00:24:13,758 Speaker 2: was not selling anything, literally on my lifestyle, you know, 482 00:24:13,837 --> 00:24:16,118 Speaker 2: I was just posting art pictures of me and my 483 00:24:16,118 --> 00:24:18,518 Speaker 2: friends here or going out or a cigarette in an 484 00:24:18,518 --> 00:24:23,357 Speaker 2: ashtray or something randoms and I thought, ding. I thought 485 00:24:23,357 --> 00:24:26,038 Speaker 2: this is it. This is where we're going, this is 486 00:24:26,038 --> 00:24:28,597 Speaker 2: the future, like this is what I need to start doing. 487 00:24:28,677 --> 00:24:28,957 Speaker 2: I need. 488 00:24:29,081 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: To start photographing and videoing my process because this is 489 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: what people wanna see. Yeah, and to make it accessible 490 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,441 Speaker 2: to people that aren't ever going to be in your makeup. 491 00:24:40,670 --> 00:24:42,380 Speaker 2: And you know what it's like when you're in the industry, 492 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: like I think still now I catch myself and people 493 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,601 Speaker 2: are like, oh we want you to do a masterclass 494 00:24:46,601 --> 00:24:49,191 Speaker 2: on this technique, and I'm thinking surely everyone knows how 495 00:24:49,191 --> 00:24:50,221 Speaker 2: to do that by now. 496 00:24:50,764 --> 00:24:53,725 Speaker 2: And they're like, no, they don't, they don't, like people 497 00:24:53,725 --> 00:24:56,524 Speaker 2: still want to see this, people still learning because our 498 00:24:56,524 --> 00:25:00,374 Speaker 2: algorithms might be full of 10 different tutorials in half 499 00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:03,325 Speaker 2: an hour, that doesn't mean that someone else's is. Theirs 500 00:25:03,325 --> 00:25:05,354 Speaker 2: might be full of gardening, they don't even know that 501 00:25:05,354 --> 00:25:06,524 Speaker 2: you can learn how to do a. 502 00:25:06,629 --> 00:25:12,470 Speaker 2: On tour on TikTok or whatnot. We're all obsessed with 503 00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:16,340 Speaker 2: very complex routines, which I think definitely started with, you know, 504 00:25:16,399 --> 00:25:21,300 Speaker 2: the 21 step skincare routines coming from Korea, which, I mean, listen, 505 00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:25,070 Speaker 2: they've got beautiful skin. What is one popular ritual or 506 00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:26,149 Speaker 2: step that you 507 00:25:26,685 --> 00:25:29,725 Speaker 2: Just go, oh God, that's so unnecessary, and why do 508 00:25:29,725 --> 00:25:33,845 Speaker 2: you think we put pressure on that? Probably unnecessary would 509 00:25:33,845 --> 00:25:39,514 Speaker 2: be the amount of skincare that people are putting on pre-makeup, 510 00:25:39,685 --> 00:25:43,364 Speaker 2: not in life. I think in life, like, with your skincare, 511 00:25:43,404 --> 00:25:46,484 Speaker 2: you should take it seriously and you should see a dermatologist, 512 00:25:46,565 --> 00:25:49,565 Speaker 2: you should see a facialist regularly, you should invest in 513 00:25:49,565 --> 00:25:50,305 Speaker 2: your skin. 514 00:25:50,764 --> 00:25:54,085 Speaker 2: I mean, I have my whole life looked after my 515 00:25:54,085 --> 00:25:57,004 Speaker 2: skin a lot and there's no regrets there definitely, but 516 00:25:57,004 --> 00:25:59,965 Speaker 2: when I watch people do their skincare before makeup and 517 00:25:59,965 --> 00:26:04,685 Speaker 2: they're using so many products on there, it's completely unnecessary. 518 00:26:04,764 --> 00:26:07,644 Speaker 2: Your skin can only absorb so much before you put 519 00:26:07,644 --> 00:26:09,805 Speaker 2: makeup on. Well, is it also just gonna then make 520 00:26:09,805 --> 00:26:12,675 Speaker 2: the makeup it's gonna make the makeup move and it's 521 00:26:12,675 --> 00:26:16,604 Speaker 2: not gonna make it sit. So simplicity is the key pre-makeup, 522 00:26:16,685 --> 00:26:19,124 Speaker 2: you know, like if you need to exfoliate, do that, put. 523 00:26:19,354 --> 00:26:21,675 Speaker 2: a serum, put down a moisturizer, or put down an 524 00:26:21,675 --> 00:26:25,475 Speaker 2: SPF slash moisturizer and just keep it really tight. Put 525 00:26:25,475 --> 00:26:28,354 Speaker 2: all those products on at night. Finally, I know that 526 00:26:28,354 --> 00:26:31,614 Speaker 2: it will constantly be changing anyone that's in the industry. 527 00:26:31,835 --> 00:26:34,555 Speaker 2: We know that we always have new favorites or old favorites, 528 00:26:34,634 --> 00:26:37,274 Speaker 2: but right now in this very moment, if you could 529 00:26:37,274 --> 00:26:41,634 Speaker 2: only grab 5 makeup products, what would they be? 5 530 00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:45,595 Speaker 2: makeup products. Definitely my Armani Luminous Silk. I'm a diehard fan. 531 00:26:45,705 --> 00:26:47,754 Speaker 2: I can make any sort of foundation out of that. 532 00:26:48,374 --> 00:26:52,014 Speaker 2: That I need to, that would definitely be that. My 533 00:26:52,014 --> 00:26:57,114 Speaker 2: circular serum from Dermalogica, I love it, super hydrating, really lightweight. 534 00:26:57,345 --> 00:27:01,845 Speaker 2: It'd be some sort of sunscreen. I'm a big sunscreen fanatic. 535 00:27:02,144 --> 00:27:06,484 Speaker 2: Maybe like a naked Sundays, I love their primer, super thick. 536 00:27:06,864 --> 00:27:11,604 Speaker 2: NARS cream bronzer would probably be the next. Love it. 537 00:27:11,904 --> 00:27:14,254 Speaker 2: I really wanna have a pencil and a. You can 538 00:27:14,254 --> 00:27:16,345 Speaker 2: have two cause I never can't sunscreen because sun. 539 00:27:17,624 --> 00:27:20,455 Speaker 2: We just gotta have it. Yeah. Probably like the Make 540 00:27:20,455 --> 00:27:24,175 Speaker 2: Up Forever outlining pencils because I use them in so 541 00:27:24,175 --> 00:27:25,894 Speaker 2: many different ways. I'll use them as a lip liner, 542 00:27:25,935 --> 00:27:27,484 Speaker 2: I'll use it as a lip color, I'll use them 543 00:27:27,484 --> 00:27:30,445 Speaker 2: as eye shadows, I'll use them as liners, like they're 544 00:27:30,445 --> 00:27:34,634 Speaker 2: so multifunctional. I even use like Endless cacao as a 545 00:27:34,634 --> 00:27:37,295 Speaker 2: nose contour. Put it on my finger, and then I'll 546 00:27:37,295 --> 00:27:38,894 Speaker 2: just swipe it down each side of the nose for 547 00:27:38,894 --> 00:27:42,134 Speaker 2: an under shadow. Like I love it. Those pencils are 548 00:27:42,134 --> 00:27:44,935 Speaker 2: like amazing. This is kind of a random one. 549 00:27:45,045 --> 00:27:49,305 Speaker 2: But probably like the YSL Lash Clash mascara in brown. 550 00:27:49,884 --> 00:27:54,524 Speaker 2: It's like a really beautiful like red brown and it's 551 00:27:54,524 --> 00:27:59,845 Speaker 2: really gorgeous on like green and brown eyes. It really 552 00:27:59,845 --> 00:28:01,565 Speaker 2: brings out the kind of the yellow and the brown 553 00:28:01,565 --> 00:28:03,244 Speaker 2: or really brings out the green, and in fact, you 554 00:28:03,244 --> 00:28:05,494 Speaker 2: know what, it's actually really beautiful on blue eyes. I say, 555 00:28:05,675 --> 00:28:07,315 Speaker 2: could it work for blue. It's really good on everyone. 556 00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:10,195 Speaker 2: It has this really beautiful kind of reddish undertone, and 557 00:28:10,195 --> 00:28:12,124 Speaker 2: I just love that I can kind of put it 558 00:28:12,124 --> 00:28:13,484 Speaker 2: on super sheer or I can. 559 00:28:13,945 --> 00:28:16,234 Speaker 2: build it up and do like a real rock chick 560 00:28:16,514 --> 00:28:20,325 Speaker 2: kind of mascara moment with it. I love it. OK, 561 00:28:20,335 --> 00:28:23,014 Speaker 2: I'll probably regret all of those, but I, well, like, 562 00:28:23,065 --> 00:28:25,555 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, this is the thing, in this, you're 563 00:28:25,555 --> 00:28:28,835 Speaker 2: gonna have 5 different favorites potentially next week, so that 564 00:28:28,835 --> 00:28:30,384 Speaker 2: is like, take it with a grain of salt. It 565 00:28:30,384 --> 00:28:32,715 Speaker 2: is just in this moment today, that's why I've got 566 00:28:32,715 --> 00:28:35,555 Speaker 2: to like preface it. Well, thank you so much, everyone's 567 00:28:35,555 --> 00:28:37,585 Speaker 2: going to have learnt so much. Thank you so much 568 00:28:37,585 --> 00:28:39,315 Speaker 2: for having me. That was fun. That was so that 569 00:28:39,315 --> 00:28:41,725 Speaker 2: was a great round of questions. I'm I love it. 570 00:28:43,034 --> 00:28:47,835 Speaker 2: Well that was absolutely amazing. I'm walking away from this chat, 571 00:28:48,114 --> 00:28:50,425 Speaker 2: convinced I can try a couple of new things and 572 00:28:50,425 --> 00:28:53,435 Speaker 2: also with a few things on my shopping list, so, 573 00:28:53,545 --> 00:28:55,394 Speaker 2: you know, I'll have to go shopping after this and 574 00:28:55,394 --> 00:28:56,455 Speaker 2: I'm sure that anyone, 575 00:28:57,144 --> 00:29:01,024 Speaker 2: Listening will too. If you're keen to learn all of 576 00:29:01,024 --> 00:29:03,065 Speaker 2: Max's secrets, you need to make sure that you are 577 00:29:03,065 --> 00:29:05,504 Speaker 2: following him on socials and you can go to a 578 00:29:05,504 --> 00:29:08,295 Speaker 2: website and sign up, maybe he'll bring back the masterclass. 579 00:29:08,545 --> 00:29:10,624 Speaker 2: But thank you so much for joining us, Max. Make 580 00:29:10,624 --> 00:29:12,825 Speaker 2: sure you subscribe to You Beauty, and we'll be back 581 00:29:12,825 --> 00:29:14,085 Speaker 2: in your ears and eyes tomorrow.