WEBVTT - Nick Offerman & Megan Mullally: Beyond Parks & Rec And Will & Grace

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Maya acknowledges

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just really grateful, Like it's just getting a job

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<v Speaker 2>as an actor is like winning the lottery. So getting

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<v Speaker 2>one that resonates with people and that I would watch

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<v Speaker 2>and be entertained by myself is I don't know, winning

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<v Speaker 2>the triple lottery or something. So I would be happy

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<v Speaker 2>to shake Ron's hand and serve him mistake if he showed.

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<v Speaker 3>Up for Mama Maya.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kateline Brook and you're listening to No Filter. There

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<v Speaker 1>are some roles that transcend the actors who portray them,

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<v Speaker 1>Characters who are so well acted, so funny or groundbreaking,

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<v Speaker 1>who brings something new and exciting to our screens that

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<v Speaker 1>they become in the process iconic. Nick Offerman and Meghan

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<v Speaker 1>Malally are both screen icons for so many people all

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. Nick will always be Ron Swanson from

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<v Speaker 1>Parks and Reck.

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<v Speaker 4>Shut up and look at me.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome Divisions of Nature. This room has several paintings in it.

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<v Speaker 5>Some are big, some are small. People did them and

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<v Speaker 5>they are here now. Please do not misinterpret the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that I am talking right now as genuine interest in

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<v Speaker 5>art and attempt to discuss it with me further. End

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<v Speaker 5>of speech.

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<v Speaker 1>Megan Malally will always be Karen Walker from Will and

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<v Speaker 1>Grace booked Jack.

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<v Speaker 6>There goes my world, There goes my everything. Just stop worrying.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a maid, Just a maid, Just like saying.

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<v Speaker 6>That Pradas or just shoes or Vodcas, just a morning beverage.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a shadow side to being so well known

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing you've done as an artist. It can

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<v Speaker 1>eclipse all of the other incredible work you do and

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<v Speaker 1>the art that you create. And that's the thing about

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<v Speaker 1>Nick and Meghan. They are true artists in love and

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<v Speaker 1>in life and in their work. Nick and Meghan met

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<v Speaker 1>on stage twenty five years ago and have been married

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<v Speaker 1>for over two decades. No small feat in Hollywood, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly impossible, And in these years they have independently produced

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<v Speaker 1>some incredible work. Meghan has graced Broadway stages and is

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<v Speaker 1>one half of a very cool indie band called Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>and Bee. Nick has played searing roles in the Last

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<v Speaker 1>of US and Civil War. Together. They've written a book

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<v Speaker 1>about their marriage and life together called The Greatest Love

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<v Speaker 1>Story Ever Told. And soon they're coming to Australia to

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<v Speaker 1>perform together on stage again in a show they've called

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<v Speaker 1>unscripted and unfiltered. So it's fitting that they'd sit down

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<v Speaker 1>with the executive producer of this show, Naima Brown, for

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<v Speaker 1>a No Filter chat. And you can't say it, but

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<v Speaker 1>Nick apparently joined the call shirtless, much to naim A

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<v Speaker 1>is delight.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so happy to see you both. Nick.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like, you know, maybe we should all take

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<v Speaker 7>our shirts off and have a really unfiltered conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, let's make Sitney vivid.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's make Sydney vivid. Megan Molalley, Nick Offerman, welcome to

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<v Speaker 7>No Filter. It is my greatest joy to have you

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<v Speaker 7>here with us today. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>We're so happy to be here now.

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<v Speaker 7>Yours is a marriage and a partnership that is really

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<v Speaker 7>forged in creativity. You met a couple decades ago on

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<v Speaker 7>stage together working together in a play. Since that time,

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<v Speaker 7>you have collaborated in so many different ways, and I

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<v Speaker 7>really wanted to begin by asking you each to introduce

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<v Speaker 7>or describe each other creatively. What is it that you

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<v Speaker 7>most admire about each other as an artist? What's your

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<v Speaker 7>favorite work? That each other has done. Nick, I'll start

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<v Speaker 7>with you, tell me what kind of artist Megan is.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is the best question I've ever had in

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<v Speaker 2>an interview.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I You know, it would be easy to list what

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<v Speaker 2>Mother Nature has has showered Meghan with by way of gifts.

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<v Speaker 2>Physical beauty, incredible singing voice, ridiculous comedy chops, great intelligence,

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<v Speaker 2>incredible taste.

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<v Speaker 4>In all things with one obvious exception. But I won't.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't rely on the easy laurels of all of

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<v Speaker 2>those attributes because early on, when when I met Meghan

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<v Speaker 2>and began living with her and saw her work in

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<v Speaker 2>her various different mediums, what struck me the most about

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<v Speaker 2>her was her incredible work ethic. Now, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were given the gifts that she was born with,

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume I'd rest easy on my laurels and

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<v Speaker 2>just let people feed me caviar all day. But Megan

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<v Speaker 2>works harder than anyone I've ever seen. Whether she's preparing

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<v Speaker 2>an evening of songs with her band or she's rehearsing

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<v Speaker 2>like a comedy scene.

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<v Speaker 4>She works every spare minute. She keeps working on things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when she used to do will and grace,

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<v Speaker 2>she would go into her secret laboratory and work those

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<v Speaker 2>scenes until each one played like an incredible piece of music.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's my favorite thing about her talents. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we both agree, of all the many great things

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<v Speaker 2>that she's worked at, her performance in the movie from

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago called Dix the Musical is

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest achant known to mankind in the field of entertainment.

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<v Speaker 7>I have this sense he could go on and on

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<v Speaker 7>for even longer. Nick talking about the incredible Megan and

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<v Speaker 7>it's I have to say, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Mean, I wish you had lunch first, because I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>gonna be able to top that.

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<v Speaker 7>Those are hard, that's a hard act to follow. But

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<v Speaker 7>why don't you give it a crack, Meghan?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Nick also has so many natural talents. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know who he thinks he's kidding, trying to pretend otherwise,

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<v Speaker 6>But you know, I think one of the things that's

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<v Speaker 6>so great about Nick too is from the first time

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<v Speaker 6>I met him, he was so different from not just

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<v Speaker 6>other actors, but any men i'd met, because he's so

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<v Speaker 6>centered and secure himself and kind of knew who he was.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think he brings that to his acting and

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<v Speaker 6>he's always like the most popular. I have people, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>like I'll go do a job somewhere and I'll have

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<v Speaker 6>people from the crew coming up to me saying, I

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<v Speaker 6>worked with your husban been on a different project, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>eleven years ago, And I'll never forget how he knew

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<v Speaker 6>every single person on the crew, and he knew all

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<v Speaker 6>of their first and last names, and how many kids

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<v Speaker 6>they have, and you know, all of that stuff. And

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<v Speaker 6>I do think I know that that's that is a

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<v Speaker 6>huge thing. Like I don't know if you understand, but

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of actors don't really pay attention to They

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<v Speaker 6>only pay attention to maybe the other actors and the director,

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<v Speaker 6>but not to everyone. And I think Nick is very

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<v Speaker 6>beloved by all, including me, in addition to his incredible

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<v Speaker 6>gifts as an actor. And he's got that face, he's

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<v Speaker 6>got those eyebrows, let's face.

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<v Speaker 7>It, he's also.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm so it's so delightful.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm so happy to have started and kind of anchored

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<v Speaker 7>this conversation there, because I'm really curious when you are

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<v Speaker 7>in a marriage that is also a creative partnership, but

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<v Speaker 7>then it's also a marriage, and those come with all

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<v Speaker 7>kinds of different things do you have to create And

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<v Speaker 7>over the years, maybe have you gotten better at creating

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<v Speaker 7>boundaries or a kind of separation of church and state,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, when you're creating something together, like your vivid production,

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<v Speaker 7>but then there's still dishes to be done, whatever those

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<v Speaker 7>dishes might be. Metaphorically, how do you kind of tie

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<v Speaker 7>together all the different strands of your relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I'll jump in and say that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been pretty lucky that organically, you know, it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>we're both working at Wall Street or something where we

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<v Speaker 2>just have a daily, consistent grind and we're like you

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<v Speaker 2>drop the kids off the pool, and you know that

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<v Speaker 2>we have some kind of conflict in that direction because

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<v Speaker 2>we're lucky enough to have different, organic, sporadic jobs. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, one of us will work for a

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<v Speaker 2>few months, one of us will work for a weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll switch.

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<v Speaker 4>One of us will work in Europe, one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of us will work at home, and so generally we

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<v Speaker 2>do a good job of just kind of handing off

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<v Speaker 2>and passing the baton back and forth. And sometimes when

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<v Speaker 2>we do something together and collaborate on a show, then

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<v Speaker 2>we have to be a little more conscientious about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when do we clock out, because we're working on it

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<v Speaker 2>at home in our living space, when do we get

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<v Speaker 2>off the clock and say, okay, let's let's change our

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<v Speaker 2>hats and just watch some TV now.

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<v Speaker 3>A bit like severance, hey, kind of walking walking you're

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<v Speaker 3>Inny and your outing.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>That's a bit Ana And you've collaborated on so many

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<v Speaker 7>different kinds of things together. You've written one of my

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<v Speaker 7>favorite books, the greatest love story ever told, a bit

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<v Speaker 7>of a it's so great, it is so fantastic. The

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<v Speaker 7>the photography, which I know, Megan, you aren't directed, and

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<v Speaker 7>you know you were the vision and visionary behind just

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<v Speaker 7>the tactile object of the book itself, and it's masterful.

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<v Speaker 3>I will pop links in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 7>It's obviously it's got all of your humor, both of you,

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<v Speaker 7>and a bit of a memoir of your marriage. But

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<v Speaker 7>it's also I think you know, our roadmap for how

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<v Speaker 7>to for people who want to have an empathetic, creative,

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<v Speaker 7>humor filled partnership with somebody. You've also got your podcast

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<v Speaker 7>in Bed with Nick and Meghan, and obviously the production

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<v Speaker 7>that you're bringing to Australia soon I'm curious to know

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<v Speaker 7>how you resolve creative differences when you are in that

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<v Speaker 7>collaborative space together. And Megan, I'll start with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Sometimes I just have to trick Nick into doing things

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<v Speaker 6>like our book. Our book is a good example, because

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<v Speaker 6>we would wrap it up for the day and I'd

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<v Speaker 6>be like, hey, let's do a chapter of our book

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<v Speaker 6>and it could be like you know, and then so

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<v Speaker 6>we recorded the book so by chapter by chapter, so

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<v Speaker 6>family is, you know, career, whatever. Each subject was a

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<v Speaker 6>different chapter, and so I would just say, oh, it'll

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<v Speaker 6>be fun, and he would be resistant.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like they're.

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<v Speaker 6>They're forgetting what. But I feel like there have been

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of some other times when you are a

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<v Speaker 6>little resistant, and I just kind of sweet talk and

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<v Speaker 6>then trustful once he does it, and once he's doing it,

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<v Speaker 6>he loves it and it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are many things you like Meghan has.

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<v Speaker 2>There are things if I'm not as experienced or as practiced,

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<v Speaker 2>then then I don't want to do those things. And

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<v Speaker 2>Meghan is a great and gentle teacher and life coach.

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<v Speaker 2>And a good example of that is I am. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty mediocre singer, but Meghan encouraged me to practice

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<v Speaker 2>and strengthen my voice, and now I'm a slightly less

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<v Speaker 2>mediocre singer, but I have a confidence now to sing

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<v Speaker 2>in front of an audience. And so there are many

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. I mean, we have a real student

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<v Speaker 2>teacher dynamic that I think I would be a fool

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<v Speaker 2>not to be crazy about.

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<v Speaker 7>After this short break, Nick and Meghan talked to us

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<v Speaker 7>about how they maintain curiosity about each other after so

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<v Speaker 7>many years together and how they feel about the characters

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<v Speaker 7>that shut them into the stratosphere. Ron Swanson and Karen

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<v Speaker 7>Walker stay with us. You've been married for over twenty years,

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<v Speaker 7>which is no small feat that takes a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>work and a lot of presence and clarity. And again,

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<v Speaker 7>given the depth and breadth of your many collaborations, and

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<v Speaker 7>that you're so entwined in each other's lives in ways

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<v Speaker 7>that lots of couples aren't. Really, I'm very curious to

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<v Speaker 7>know what you're still discovering about each other and if

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<v Speaker 7>that has to be a kind of deliberate act to

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<v Speaker 7>maintain a kind of curiosity about each other at this

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<v Speaker 7>time and phase, after so many wonderful years Already in

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<v Speaker 7>the camp.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think it's been pretty easy really. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't have children. We have dogs, if that makes

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<v Speaker 6>a difference. We don't have children, but we've always, i think,

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<v Speaker 6>just liked each other, which I know that sounds kind

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<v Speaker 6>of obvious, but I'm not sure that every married couple does,

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<v Speaker 6>or maybe they do. But I think we've been really

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<v Speaker 6>lucky in being we're both very romantic, but we're also

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<v Speaker 6>really good friends. And so I think that recently we

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<v Speaker 6>kind of looked at each other within the law, like

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<v Speaker 6>six months or so, and just sided that we thought

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<v Speaker 6>our relationship was better now than it ever happened. What

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<v Speaker 6>do you attribute to right twenty five years. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not really sure. Maybe, I mean, we do we've gotten

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<v Speaker 6>a lot better at communicating. We're always pretty good at communicating.

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<v Speaker 4>But what do you think, Conny, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we had the good fortune to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to ride through these two and a half decades together.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, as good listeners, we understand the simple

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<v Speaker 2>truth that if you make a promise to a person

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<v Speaker 2>that you're going to spend the rest of your lives together,

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<v Speaker 2>you can either make it difficult or when things do

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<v Speaker 2>get difficult. If we have disagreements, if we if we

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<v Speaker 2>shake our fists at each other, we can say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well listen, we're I still want to be live in

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<v Speaker 2>this house with you tomorrow, So I can either compromise

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<v Speaker 2>and find a resolution here. And so I think we

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<v Speaker 2>just have the wherewithal to be open and keep growing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think one thing that really keeps me invested

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<v Speaker 2>is that Megan has not yet allowed me to perform

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<v Speaker 2>the full sex act upon her.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that's kind of a carrot that's dangling.

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<v Speaker 7>John.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, another twenty five years and I could strugge

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<v Speaker 2>how you go.

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<v Speaker 3>We're rooting for you.

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<v Speaker 7>I want to ask when you've become so iconic and

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<v Speaker 7>beloved to so many audiences across the world for kind

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<v Speaker 7>of one big role that you've played. And yet I

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<v Speaker 7>imagine you get most of your creative fulfillment, especially these days,

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<v Speaker 7>from all of the other incredible things that you both

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<v Speaker 7>do together and separately. And as time passes, does that

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<v Speaker 7>become a burden or something you celebrate with grace? Megan,

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<v Speaker 7>I'll start with you. I'm curious to know what your

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<v Speaker 7>relationship to Karen Walker is now.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh well, I'm grateful to have been able to play

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<v Speaker 6>that role, and it was such a fun part to play,

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<v Speaker 6>of course, and so well written, and they really let

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<v Speaker 6>me bring you know, it was very collaborative, I would say,

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<v Speaker 6>in the way that the part was created, because it

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't written that way at the very beginning. It evolved.

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<v Speaker 6>So it was really really amazing to be able to

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<v Speaker 6>do that. And I sometimes see little clips of it

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm like, wow, how did I do that? But now,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, as the years go on, I always I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not sure that acting was ever like my number one

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<v Speaker 6>thing I wanted to do, Like I always loved singing

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<v Speaker 6>and music. So but that aside, I've I've put less

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<v Speaker 6>emphasis on acting maybe and more emphasis on other things

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<v Speaker 6>like I have a band called Nancy and Beth that

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<v Speaker 6>I love, and I'm starting an interior design company with

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<v Speaker 6>my friend and I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so fun to do.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, I think I have another a project,

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<v Speaker 6>like a long term project I'm working on that is

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<v Speaker 6>more of a podcast situation, but like a written podcast scripted.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, so I think that I want. I like

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<v Speaker 6>things where I feel that I can have more autonomy.

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<v Speaker 6>And that movie that Nick mentioned, Dick's The Musical, I

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<v Speaker 6>felt like it was so collaborative and I was really

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<v Speaker 6>treated as an equal, and you know, you'd be surprised,

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<v Speaker 6>but that's not always the case. So I think things

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<v Speaker 6>where I have a little more autonomy are the things

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<v Speaker 6>I'm a little more drawn to right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick, what's your relationship to ron sponson these days?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'll always be incredibly grateful for that role.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it took me from obscurity to putting me

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<v Speaker 2>sort of on the map and led to so many

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<v Speaker 2>other opportunities, from acting roles to writing books and touring

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<v Speaker 2>as a humorist, and so.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there are much worse problems.

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<v Speaker 2>To have than to be like associated with one huge,

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<v Speaker 2>overarching role. I'm very grateful that the world allows me

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<v Speaker 2>to play other things and continue to to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>discover and flex whatever muscles I can come across as

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<v Speaker 2>an actor.

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<v Speaker 4>But ultimately, you know, I'm just really grateful.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just getting a job as an actor is

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<v Speaker 2>like winning the lottery. So getting one that resonates with

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<v Speaker 2>people and that I would watch and be entertained by

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<v Speaker 2>myself is I don't know, winning the triple lottery or something,

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<v Speaker 2>So I would I would be happy to shake Ron's

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<v Speaker 2>hand and then serve him mistake.

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<v Speaker 4>If he showed up?

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<v Speaker 3>Aren't Nick and Meghan wonderful?

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<v Speaker 7>Look If Parks and Recreation and Will and Grace are

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<v Speaker 7>the only exposure you've had to them, you are really

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<v Speaker 7>in for a treat when you start to explore the

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<v Speaker 7>great breadth of their work. And Nick and Meghan will

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<v Speaker 7>be performing together in Australia in June. Will pop all

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<v Speaker 7>the links that you need to book tickets and other

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<v Speaker 7>little bits and bobs in the show notes. The executive

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<v Speaker 7>producer of No Filter is me Naima Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>Our senior producer is Grace Rufrey. Sound design is by

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<v Speaker 3>Jacob Brown and Kate ling Brook. Will be back in

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<v Speaker 3>your ears on Monday. Thank you for listening.