1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:22,224 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. Hello, Spillers, it's Laura 4 00:00:22,224 --> 00:00:23,744 Speaker 2: Brodnick and Emily Vernum here. 5 00:00:24,184 --> 00:00:27,464 Speaker 3: Merry Christmas and happy holidays. If you're seeing family over 6 00:00:27,464 --> 00:00:30,264 Speaker 3: the holidays, I am sure you're telling them all about 7 00:00:30,304 --> 00:00:33,424 Speaker 3: how fun your year was listening to the Spill every day. 8 00:00:34,024 --> 00:00:36,064 Speaker 3: So on the Spill we do a whole bunch of 9 00:00:36,104 --> 00:00:38,344 Speaker 3: different stuff because we are a daily podcast and there 10 00:00:38,344 --> 00:00:42,224 Speaker 3: are many hours to fill, from celebrity news to very 11 00:00:42,304 --> 00:00:46,344 Speaker 3: juicy deep dives all the way to TV movie recommendations 12 00:00:46,344 --> 00:00:49,704 Speaker 3: and reviews. As part of Mamma MIA's Hot Pod Summer, 13 00:00:49,784 --> 00:00:53,464 Speaker 3: we're giving you fresh content all summer long, and today 14 00:00:53,584 --> 00:00:56,424 Speaker 3: we're sharing one of our favorite episodes of the Spill 15 00:00:56,544 --> 00:00:56,944 Speaker 3: this year. 16 00:00:57,744 --> 00:01:00,104 Speaker 2: Enjoy and remember to subscribe to the Spill so you 17 00:01:00,144 --> 00:01:01,984 Speaker 2: don't miss a thing that's. 18 00:01:01,904 --> 00:01:08,864 Speaker 4: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 19 00:01:08,904 --> 00:01:09,584 Speaker 4: culture fix. 20 00:01:09,864 --> 00:01:12,744 Speaker 2: I'm child and I'm Laura Brodnick coming up on the 21 00:01:12,744 --> 00:01:15,144 Speaker 2: show today. If you don't have friends, don't worry about it. 22 00:01:15,224 --> 00:01:17,504 Speaker 2: In fact, if you have friends, get rid of them, 23 00:01:17,584 --> 00:01:19,824 Speaker 2: you don't need them because we have some TV shows 24 00:01:19,864 --> 00:01:20,984 Speaker 2: that are going to replace them. 25 00:01:21,064 --> 00:01:23,664 Speaker 4: But first we've got to talk about a uish talk 26 00:01:23,704 --> 00:01:27,584 Speaker 4: show host who is currently living out her dreams. So, Laura, 27 00:01:27,824 --> 00:01:30,784 Speaker 4: there is a used talk show host called Sherry Shepherd 28 00:01:30,824 --> 00:01:35,344 Speaker 4: who hosts her own talk show called Sherry and she's 29 00:01:35,784 --> 00:01:40,864 Speaker 4: not low key but completely and boldly obsessed with Lenny Kravitz. 30 00:01:41,144 --> 00:01:43,024 Speaker 1: And aren't we all in a way? Did you see 31 00:01:43,024 --> 00:01:44,944 Speaker 1: that man this week? He got a Hollywood star. 32 00:01:45,344 --> 00:01:47,944 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he was wearing a shirt that was actually 33 00:01:48,024 --> 00:01:50,704 Speaker 2: coming up and his daughter Zoe Kravitz because she got 34 00:01:50,784 --> 00:01:52,744 Speaker 2: up and gave a speech, and Channing Tatum was there. 35 00:01:53,024 --> 00:01:55,184 Speaker 2: She was like, the longest relationship you have is with 36 00:01:55,264 --> 00:01:57,224 Speaker 2: C three shirts. I'm like, God, bless that man. 37 00:01:57,304 --> 00:01:59,824 Speaker 4: Roasted her dad, who, like, honestly at his age, he's 38 00:01:59,864 --> 00:02:05,064 Speaker 4: looking smoking anyway. So Sherry Shepherd is going quite viral 39 00:02:05,104 --> 00:02:07,584 Speaker 4: for the fact that she's been saying time and time 40 00:02:07,624 --> 00:02:09,984 Speaker 4: again that she wants to meet Lenny. 41 00:02:09,784 --> 00:02:13,144 Speaker 2: Come public campaign. It's been popping up on my different 42 00:02:13,184 --> 00:02:15,664 Speaker 2: social feeds for a while that she's obsessed with learning 43 00:02:15,704 --> 00:02:17,664 Speaker 2: Krabats and wanted him on his show, Like, what's the 44 00:02:17,744 --> 00:02:22,064 Speaker 2: level above obsessed. Yeah, talking but kind of getting in 45 00:02:22,104 --> 00:02:22,824 Speaker 2: there totally. 46 00:02:22,824 --> 00:02:25,704 Speaker 4: There was Travis Kelsey that was just a little sent 47 00:02:25,784 --> 00:02:29,664 Speaker 4: to this is talking on level before I melt in 48 00:02:29,744 --> 00:02:31,664 Speaker 4: my seat and sweat out my wig. 49 00:02:32,264 --> 00:02:33,864 Speaker 1: We have got to bring him out. 50 00:02:34,184 --> 00:02:37,904 Speaker 2: Please welcome the legendary Lenny Kravat. 51 00:02:40,704 --> 00:02:46,184 Speaker 1: We're on the wrong side. 52 00:02:44,064 --> 00:02:46,384 Speaker 2: Okay, then I'm gonna stay right on this side. 53 00:02:46,384 --> 00:02:48,584 Speaker 1: I can't like I was wondering where you're going. I 54 00:02:48,624 --> 00:02:50,504 Speaker 1: can't stop staring at your chest. 55 00:02:50,304 --> 00:02:53,704 Speaker 4: For a Oh god, it's so true about the fact 56 00:02:53,704 --> 00:02:55,064 Speaker 4: that he looks like he wants to have sex. 57 00:02:55,104 --> 00:02:57,704 Speaker 2: Who always what a lovely demeanor to have. But look 58 00:02:57,784 --> 00:03:00,064 Speaker 2: this paid off for her. Her campaign worked. 59 00:03:00,224 --> 00:03:04,064 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we came on the show and she screams 60 00:03:04,504 --> 00:03:08,424 Speaker 4: like a schoolgirl. She just gets all young and giddy, 61 00:03:08,464 --> 00:03:09,704 Speaker 4: and honestly, it's all because. 62 00:03:09,504 --> 00:03:13,384 Speaker 2: She's like the professional TV personality. She's been on talk 63 00:03:13,384 --> 00:03:16,464 Speaker 2: shows in America for decades and you know, hosting really 64 00:03:16,504 --> 00:03:18,024 Speaker 2: big shows like The View, and now she's got her 65 00:03:18,024 --> 00:03:20,504 Speaker 2: own talk shows, so she's not normally like this is 66 00:03:20,544 --> 00:03:22,424 Speaker 2: the interesting thing when I saw this clip, Like she's 67 00:03:22,464 --> 00:03:25,304 Speaker 2: usually very bubbleting side it, but she lost her mind 68 00:03:25,304 --> 00:03:27,944 Speaker 2: when Lenny Kravi came on Stane and then when he 69 00:03:27,984 --> 00:03:30,744 Speaker 2: sat down and she leans forward and just puts her 70 00:03:30,744 --> 00:03:33,344 Speaker 2: hands on his bare chest and she's like, sorry, I 71 00:03:33,424 --> 00:03:34,944 Speaker 2: just have to And then then it's like she has 72 00:03:34,984 --> 00:03:37,664 Speaker 2: this moment that's just him and her chest alone in 73 00:03:37,704 --> 00:03:41,584 Speaker 2: a room, and as a painted all, yeah, it's insane. 74 00:03:41,824 --> 00:03:44,504 Speaker 5: Seriously, it's like your photo shot. 75 00:03:44,264 --> 00:03:45,784 Speaker 2: And look, I get it. Sometimes you can be a 76 00:03:45,784 --> 00:03:48,304 Speaker 2: professional and then you meet your ultimate crush and no 77 00:03:48,344 --> 00:03:51,904 Speaker 2: matter how seasoned you are and how you are to 78 00:03:51,904 --> 00:03:54,424 Speaker 2: sort of keeping your cool around celebrities, you're gonna freak 79 00:03:54,424 --> 00:03:55,184 Speaker 2: out and lose your mind. 80 00:03:55,224 --> 00:03:59,784 Speaker 4: Do you revert to your teenage self? So elve, who 81 00:03:59,784 --> 00:04:02,184 Speaker 4: would you lose your shit if you met he? 82 00:04:02,224 --> 00:04:03,464 Speaker 2: Have had to think about it. I feel like you 83 00:04:03,464 --> 00:04:04,104 Speaker 2: think you know. 84 00:04:04,344 --> 00:04:06,424 Speaker 4: Oh, yes, I do, the guy from The Walking Dead, 85 00:04:06,464 --> 00:04:09,784 Speaker 4: because every time you mentioned him, you revert into that 86 00:04:09,904 --> 00:04:10,784 Speaker 4: teenage girl. 87 00:04:11,024 --> 00:04:13,584 Speaker 2: I know, so Norman readers, he's my TV crush. I 88 00:04:13,624 --> 00:04:15,144 Speaker 2: do turn down interviews with him a lot, so it 89 00:04:15,224 --> 00:04:16,464 Speaker 2: was like, I can't be in the same room as him. 90 00:04:16,544 --> 00:04:18,344 Speaker 2: But I do think if I met him, the illusion 91 00:04:18,344 --> 00:04:19,864 Speaker 2: would be gone. Like I don't think he'd be as 92 00:04:19,864 --> 00:04:21,984 Speaker 2: sexy in real life as his character is in The 93 00:04:22,024 --> 00:04:24,904 Speaker 2: Walking Dead. I guess, like you know, bare arms, crossbow 94 00:04:25,024 --> 00:04:27,864 Speaker 2: killing walkers. I think the only person I might truly 95 00:04:28,344 --> 00:04:30,664 Speaker 2: lose my mind over. I mean, look, I'm not gonna 96 00:04:30,664 --> 00:04:32,264 Speaker 2: say no like a Brad Peet or something like that. 97 00:04:32,384 --> 00:04:33,504 Speaker 2: I'm sure if I was in a room with him, 98 00:04:33,504 --> 00:04:35,104 Speaker 2: I would still lose my mind a little bit because 99 00:04:35,104 --> 00:04:37,864 Speaker 2: I feel like he's got that old school movie star charisma. 100 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:39,544 Speaker 2: I think it would be Jensen Acles. 101 00:04:41,224 --> 00:04:42,304 Speaker 1: Who is that? 102 00:04:42,464 --> 00:04:44,184 Speaker 2: Oh that kills me. I've been in love with this 103 00:04:44,224 --> 00:04:46,504 Speaker 2: man since I was fourteen. He was on all those 104 00:04:46,544 --> 00:04:49,944 Speaker 2: like teen supernatural shows when I was a teenager, So 105 00:04:49,984 --> 00:04:51,944 Speaker 2: he was on Dark Angel, he was on small Ville, 106 00:04:52,104 --> 00:04:55,584 Speaker 2: and then he was the co star in Supernatural with 107 00:04:55,744 --> 00:04:58,024 Speaker 2: Dared Peladecki that ran for over ten years. 108 00:04:58,104 --> 00:04:59,304 Speaker 1: Do you know Jared yep? 109 00:04:59,544 --> 00:05:03,944 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you see it right? But I who But 110 00:05:03,944 --> 00:05:06,264 Speaker 4: I mean, look at that but look at that face. 111 00:05:06,504 --> 00:05:08,544 Speaker 1: Yeah it's really but it's not face. 112 00:05:08,864 --> 00:05:12,184 Speaker 2: You can have a crazy good looking man and he's 113 00:05:12,184 --> 00:05:14,504 Speaker 2: got no personality, no charisma. I know people don't think 114 00:05:14,504 --> 00:05:16,304 Speaker 2: it's true, but when you I've talked to a lot 115 00:05:16,304 --> 00:05:18,624 Speaker 2: of dumb hot men in my time, it goes away 116 00:05:18,904 --> 00:05:21,464 Speaker 2: on the show. He's character Not only is he killing 117 00:05:21,504 --> 00:05:23,864 Speaker 2: wances and demons and stuff, but he's got so much charisma, 118 00:05:24,384 --> 00:05:27,224 Speaker 2: so much attitude. And then also he does all these 119 00:05:27,224 --> 00:05:29,544 Speaker 2: live shows where he tours around with Jared, which is 120 00:05:29,544 --> 00:05:32,264 Speaker 2: such nerdy okay, talking to fans, and he's just so 121 00:05:32,344 --> 00:05:34,784 Speaker 2: hot and charismatic in real life. But I think if 122 00:05:34,784 --> 00:05:36,264 Speaker 2: I was ever in a room with him, well, I 123 00:05:36,304 --> 00:05:38,584 Speaker 2: wouldn't be I would remove myself from the situation. I 124 00:05:38,584 --> 00:05:41,944 Speaker 2: would lose my mind. Where who who's your crush? Who 125 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:42,904 Speaker 2: your mind over? 126 00:05:43,024 --> 00:05:44,784 Speaker 4: I've really thought about this because I made sure that 127 00:05:44,904 --> 00:05:46,184 Speaker 4: they weren't it's important. 128 00:05:46,264 --> 00:05:49,584 Speaker 2: Oh okay married, to be fair, that's not what's stopping 129 00:05:49,664 --> 00:05:50,624 Speaker 2: us from being together. 130 00:05:50,824 --> 00:05:54,024 Speaker 4: Now now I've really thought it through. So I was 131 00:05:54,064 --> 00:05:56,064 Speaker 4: thinking about who is to you? And to be honest, 132 00:05:56,864 --> 00:05:58,824 Speaker 4: I haven't met nearly as many celebrities you know, I've met. 133 00:05:58,824 --> 00:06:01,784 Speaker 4: I've been a few, and at the end of the day, 134 00:06:01,784 --> 00:06:03,384 Speaker 4: they're just people, my people. 135 00:06:03,984 --> 00:06:04,824 Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan. 136 00:06:05,224 --> 00:06:07,544 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, but you've got a list of more than one. Yeah, 137 00:06:07,664 --> 00:06:09,624 Speaker 2: but two okay, sure, yeah, Michael B. Jordan, I can 138 00:06:09,704 --> 00:06:12,304 Speaker 2: see that you would lose your mind. You two would 139 00:06:12,384 --> 00:06:13,584 Speaker 2: lean forward and put your. 140 00:06:13,424 --> 00:06:15,504 Speaker 4: Hands on I would just not just stop, I just 141 00:06:15,544 --> 00:06:17,544 Speaker 4: start flirting with him, like way too much. 142 00:06:17,584 --> 00:06:18,864 Speaker 1: I just aggressively flat. 143 00:06:19,544 --> 00:06:21,584 Speaker 4: And then the one person i'd probably is my shit 144 00:06:21,624 --> 00:06:23,584 Speaker 4: with more than anyone. I read it in capital letters 145 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:27,344 Speaker 4: of my note. Very cute. Again, really don't you see 146 00:06:27,424 --> 00:06:29,184 Speaker 4: personality as well? 147 00:06:29,384 --> 00:06:31,504 Speaker 1: Like did you do you think does he have a personality? 148 00:06:31,504 --> 00:06:33,664 Speaker 4: Have we seen that Vanity Fair video that he did 149 00:06:33,744 --> 00:06:35,624 Speaker 4: that he did with his bare bottom and just that 150 00:06:35,744 --> 00:06:39,384 Speaker 4: cheeky little smile and he's a huge Killing Murphy supporter, 151 00:06:39,424 --> 00:06:41,184 Speaker 4: and he's irish, and okay. 152 00:06:40,904 --> 00:06:42,704 Speaker 2: You're listening things to be good that are like good 153 00:06:42,704 --> 00:06:44,504 Speaker 2: on paper or good to talk about. If you were 154 00:06:44,544 --> 00:06:47,704 Speaker 2: really standing eye level because he's really sure, if you 155 00:06:47,704 --> 00:06:50,144 Speaker 2: were staying eye level with that, I'd still be sure 156 00:06:50,224 --> 00:06:53,384 Speaker 2: that with that weedy, kind of pale man, nothing against that. 157 00:06:53,664 --> 00:06:56,344 Speaker 1: I told you we are different, Like no, I. 158 00:06:56,264 --> 00:06:58,144 Speaker 2: Know, I know mine was a bit of a beefcake 159 00:06:58,144 --> 00:07:00,064 Speaker 2: because I'm a basic bitch. But I'm just saying I 160 00:07:00,064 --> 00:07:01,904 Speaker 2: think his personal I would really have to shine for 161 00:07:01,944 --> 00:07:04,144 Speaker 2: you to lose your mind. Otherwise you would just be like, oh, 162 00:07:04,144 --> 00:07:05,744 Speaker 2: it's just not the guy. 163 00:07:06,224 --> 00:07:08,464 Speaker 1: I just guess no one makes me getting like a school. 164 00:07:08,184 --> 00:07:11,704 Speaker 2: Girl so she's dead, and well, now it's my goal 165 00:07:11,744 --> 00:07:13,104 Speaker 2: in life to get you in a room with Barry 166 00:07:13,184 --> 00:07:15,544 Speaker 2: so I can see this experiment come to fruition. Say 167 00:07:16,664 --> 00:07:17,264 Speaker 2: would happen? 168 00:07:17,624 --> 00:07:20,304 Speaker 4: Just play it on the dance floor to strip down. 169 00:07:20,984 --> 00:07:23,024 Speaker 4: I'd be like, yeah, I'm already sweating a little bit 170 00:07:23,784 --> 00:07:24,264 Speaker 4: coming up. 171 00:07:24,224 --> 00:07:26,264 Speaker 2: On the show today. As we said, get rid of 172 00:07:26,264 --> 00:07:29,464 Speaker 2: your friends, because we have the TV shows about female 173 00:07:29,464 --> 00:07:34,784 Speaker 2: friendships and also some pretty epic weekend watches. I missed 174 00:07:34,784 --> 00:07:37,384 Speaker 2: a few episodes of the pod recently because I was, 175 00:07:37,464 --> 00:07:41,264 Speaker 2: you know, often about at home at work things, and 176 00:07:41,304 --> 00:07:43,824 Speaker 2: if I had been here, my weekend watch pick that 177 00:07:43,864 --> 00:07:46,744 Speaker 2: I would have been screaming from the rooftops was Girls 178 00:07:46,784 --> 00:07:48,184 Speaker 2: five Ever, Season three? 179 00:07:48,464 --> 00:07:50,944 Speaker 1: How are we going to get her for the reunion summer? 180 00:07:51,184 --> 00:07:52,184 Speaker 1: There's no reunion. 181 00:07:52,304 --> 00:07:55,384 Speaker 2: Don't say that was that good. 182 00:07:55,624 --> 00:07:56,944 Speaker 1: I've tried out for the House File. I was like 183 00:07:56,984 --> 00:07:57,624 Speaker 1: eight times. 184 00:07:57,664 --> 00:08:01,424 Speaker 2: It's on Netflix's this show that was executive produced by 185 00:08:01,424 --> 00:08:03,984 Speaker 2: Tina Fey, and it's got the best cast at Sarah barrellis, 186 00:08:04,024 --> 00:08:07,984 Speaker 2: Busy Phillips, Paula pelle renee Elise Goldsbury, and it was 187 00:08:08,024 --> 00:08:11,664 Speaker 2: canceled by the like original studio in America who was 188 00:08:11,744 --> 00:08:13,384 Speaker 2: running it, and then Netflix picked it up and they've 189 00:08:13,384 --> 00:08:15,104 Speaker 2: given it this big life that they've done before with 190 00:08:15,184 --> 00:08:17,864 Speaker 2: shows like Shit's Creek, so it came back for season three. 191 00:08:17,984 --> 00:08:20,264 Speaker 2: It's about this girl group who in the nineties had 192 00:08:20,264 --> 00:08:22,704 Speaker 2: this massive hit and then had break up, and that 193 00:08:22,704 --> 00:08:24,664 Speaker 2: it picks up like twenty years later when they're all 194 00:08:24,704 --> 00:08:26,864 Speaker 2: in their forties, where they bring the band Girls five 195 00:08:26,904 --> 00:08:30,544 Speaker 2: Ever back together for another shot at fame. And it's 196 00:08:30,544 --> 00:08:32,144 Speaker 2: got great music and all this stuff. But what I 197 00:08:32,224 --> 00:08:34,504 Speaker 2: really loved about it as I turned on season three 198 00:08:34,504 --> 00:08:36,304 Speaker 2: when I was in one of my various hotel rooms 199 00:08:36,304 --> 00:08:38,984 Speaker 2: traveling for work recently, it was so tired, and I 200 00:08:39,064 --> 00:08:41,344 Speaker 2: turned on Girls for I've Ever and it was like 201 00:08:41,544 --> 00:08:44,464 Speaker 2: this warm hug because it's so rare that you see 202 00:08:44,504 --> 00:08:47,944 Speaker 2: TV shows that are so centered on not just four 203 00:08:47,984 --> 00:08:51,104 Speaker 2: female leads but their friendship, like the warmth of humor, 204 00:08:51,144 --> 00:08:54,944 Speaker 2: the complexities of it. And it just made me so happy, 205 00:08:55,024 --> 00:08:56,624 Speaker 2: and it's not something we see very often. 206 00:08:57,144 --> 00:08:59,104 Speaker 4: It's not I fine, when we go to watch those 207 00:08:59,104 --> 00:09:01,584 Speaker 4: comfort shows, which you are about female friendship, we end 208 00:09:01,664 --> 00:09:03,984 Speaker 4: up going back to shows that are a few years 209 00:09:04,024 --> 00:09:07,344 Speaker 4: old or even decades old, because they're just not getting 210 00:09:07,424 --> 00:09:10,024 Speaker 4: made as much these days. It's despite so many women 211 00:09:10,064 --> 00:09:12,344 Speaker 4: want to watch them, oh one hundred percent. 212 00:09:12,464 --> 00:09:14,744 Speaker 2: Like we've always seen from like you know, data, that 213 00:09:15,144 --> 00:09:18,544 Speaker 2: what stays in trend and what shows become cult classics 214 00:09:18,624 --> 00:09:21,784 Speaker 2: is so often they are centered on female friendship. This 215 00:09:21,904 --> 00:09:24,424 Speaker 2: is going back into like you know, thirty forty years 216 00:09:24,424 --> 00:09:27,064 Speaker 2: ago in TV with shows like Laverne and Shirley. You 217 00:09:27,104 --> 00:09:28,864 Speaker 2: won't live there, neither was I to be Fair that 218 00:09:29,024 --> 00:09:30,824 Speaker 2: was sent on two best friends. But also look at 219 00:09:30,824 --> 00:09:33,944 Speaker 2: Golden Girls and like, what a massive legacy that was 220 00:09:33,984 --> 00:09:37,304 Speaker 2: seen that came out in nineteen eighty five and we're 221 00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:39,504 Speaker 2: still talking about today and we still reference it, like 222 00:09:39,544 --> 00:09:42,824 Speaker 2: that was kind of the original show centered on female friendship. 223 00:09:43,264 --> 00:09:46,104 Speaker 2: And then there's been little bursts over the years, but 224 00:09:46,384 --> 00:09:50,544 Speaker 2: they always kind of never really critically acclaimed. They're always 225 00:09:50,624 --> 00:09:52,744 Speaker 2: seen there's a bit frothy and a bit silly. And 226 00:09:52,784 --> 00:09:55,264 Speaker 2: there's a moment that sticks in my mind a couple 227 00:09:55,264 --> 00:09:57,744 Speaker 2: of years ago when a few different shows came to 228 00:09:57,784 --> 00:10:00,144 Speaker 2: an end and they were the Bold Type and Younger, 229 00:10:00,624 --> 00:10:01,624 Speaker 2: both brilliant shows. 230 00:10:01,704 --> 00:10:02,944 Speaker 1: I loved those teams. 231 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:05,264 Speaker 2: I love them. I still watch them over and over again. 232 00:10:05,384 --> 00:10:08,024 Speaker 2: Both I'm Younger again, oh my god, watch it again. 233 00:10:08,184 --> 00:10:10,624 Speaker 2: Obviously that was also about work and romance. I told 234 00:10:10,624 --> 00:10:13,624 Speaker 2: her right now, yes, sorry, I said it had female 235 00:10:13,664 --> 00:10:16,104 Speaker 2: friendship at the center. But you had these shows Younger 236 00:10:16,144 --> 00:10:17,704 Speaker 2: and bold type. They came to an end around the 237 00:10:17,744 --> 00:10:19,904 Speaker 2: same time. And as that happened, there were all of 238 00:10:19,944 --> 00:10:23,984 Speaker 2: these cultural think pieces saying, thank god, like we're seeing 239 00:10:24,024 --> 00:10:26,864 Speaker 2: the death of the girl Boss on TV. Thank god, 240 00:10:26,904 --> 00:10:28,984 Speaker 2: these frothy shows are coming to an end, and there 241 00:10:29,024 --> 00:10:31,744 Speaker 2: was like this celebration that this era of television was over. 242 00:10:32,144 --> 00:10:34,824 Speaker 2: And that made me so angry because I want to 243 00:10:34,864 --> 00:10:37,744 Speaker 2: watch shows about women being friends and I want to 244 00:10:37,784 --> 00:10:42,104 Speaker 2: watch these shows where you see friendships treated with equal 245 00:10:42,304 --> 00:10:46,624 Speaker 2: intensity and sensitivity as a romantic relationship. And yes, both 246 00:10:46,664 --> 00:10:49,064 Speaker 2: these shows are a bit frothy and silly at times, 247 00:10:49,144 --> 00:10:50,944 Speaker 2: but that's fine, Like you want to see that. I 248 00:10:50,944 --> 00:10:53,704 Speaker 2: feel like, then shows about female friendship go out of fashion, 249 00:10:54,024 --> 00:10:55,944 Speaker 2: and then we're just left with so many shows where 250 00:10:55,944 --> 00:10:58,504 Speaker 2: we're seeing people being raped and murdered because they can 251 00:10:58,544 --> 00:11:01,344 Speaker 2: be seen as prestige dramas, and so we get to 252 00:11:01,384 --> 00:11:04,784 Speaker 2: watch those, or we're seeing this flood of reality TV 253 00:11:04,864 --> 00:11:07,344 Speaker 2: where you see women screaming each other and fighting and 254 00:11:07,384 --> 00:11:10,104 Speaker 2: having these really dramatic relationships. There's a place for that 255 00:11:10,184 --> 00:11:12,464 Speaker 2: as well, But I just wish there was more of 256 00:11:12,504 --> 00:11:14,784 Speaker 2: a place with female friendship on TV and it wasn't 257 00:11:14,824 --> 00:11:18,624 Speaker 2: seen as frothy, and it wasn't being replaced with women 258 00:11:18,664 --> 00:11:20,344 Speaker 2: being killed, Like I don't want to watch that. I 259 00:11:20,384 --> 00:11:22,144 Speaker 2: want to see women going get coffee together and have 260 00:11:22,264 --> 00:11:26,464 Speaker 2: these complex friendships and have those kind of dynamics on TV. 261 00:11:27,264 --> 00:11:29,064 Speaker 4: The timing of it all as well, it was the 262 00:11:29,104 --> 00:11:32,344 Speaker 4: death of the Girl Boss in general. Everyone was proudly 263 00:11:32,424 --> 00:11:34,104 Speaker 4: saying that we're done with this, We're done. 264 00:11:33,944 --> 00:11:36,544 Speaker 1: With the hustle around, which was such a shame. 265 00:11:36,624 --> 00:11:40,104 Speaker 4: After years of rejecting what like Sophia Russo did with 266 00:11:40,264 --> 00:11:44,704 Speaker 4: Nasty Gal, we were really trying to we were talking 267 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:47,824 Speaker 4: more about work life balance, So it wasn't just the 268 00:11:47,904 --> 00:11:49,704 Speaker 4: shows that we were rejecting. It was kind of the 269 00:11:49,744 --> 00:11:52,824 Speaker 4: whole idea of The Girl Boss in general. So I 270 00:11:52,904 --> 00:11:54,904 Speaker 4: really do hope that these type of shows do come 271 00:11:54,944 --> 00:11:57,504 Speaker 4: back because we are really missing that. And the thing is, 272 00:11:57,504 --> 00:11:59,984 Speaker 4: if you speak to any of your female friends, most 273 00:11:59,984 --> 00:12:02,344 Speaker 4: of them will say when they're having a bad week 274 00:12:02,504 --> 00:12:05,024 Speaker 4: or they just want to snuggle up and watch something 275 00:12:05,064 --> 00:12:08,024 Speaker 4: that makes them feel good. It'll always be a show 276 00:12:08,024 --> 00:12:09,224 Speaker 4: about female friendships. 277 00:12:09,384 --> 00:12:11,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very common fitting place for us to 278 00:12:11,224 --> 00:12:13,504 Speaker 2: sit in. And also, as like I've written about so much, 279 00:12:13,544 --> 00:12:17,504 Speaker 2: I know, like you're so aware that finding friends in 280 00:12:17,544 --> 00:12:21,264 Speaker 2: adulthood is such a difficult thing, especially now. And I'm 281 00:12:21,264 --> 00:12:23,064 Speaker 2: not saying I know. I was joking at the top 282 00:12:23,104 --> 00:12:25,544 Speaker 2: about you don't need friends, you can have TV shows. 283 00:12:25,584 --> 00:12:28,424 Speaker 2: It's not completely true, but I think, especially like in 284 00:12:28,504 --> 00:12:32,264 Speaker 2: lonely moments or vulnerable moments, you crave TV shows that 285 00:12:32,384 --> 00:12:35,464 Speaker 2: show you friendship because that's what we're craving in real life. 286 00:12:35,704 --> 00:12:38,824 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and these characters become a part of your world. 287 00:12:39,264 --> 00:12:42,024 Speaker 4: So I thought I would mention two of my favorite 288 00:12:42,064 --> 00:12:46,824 Speaker 4: TV shows about female friendships. And one's not surprising at all. 289 00:12:46,944 --> 00:12:49,584 Speaker 4: It is Sex and the City, and that is because 290 00:12:49,664 --> 00:12:52,464 Speaker 4: it is the show that, really, for so many women 291 00:12:53,344 --> 00:12:56,184 Speaker 4: is the pinnacle of just the female friendship that you want. 292 00:12:56,504 --> 00:12:58,344 Speaker 1: Maybe we could be each other so much. 293 00:12:59,864 --> 00:13:02,944 Speaker 5: And then we could let men be just these great, 294 00:13:03,144 --> 00:13:04,504 Speaker 5: nice guys to have fun with. 295 00:13:04,744 --> 00:13:06,624 Speaker 4: And the funny thing is we were talking about before 296 00:13:06,624 --> 00:13:08,864 Speaker 4: we were recording that a lot of people actually haven't. 297 00:13:08,624 --> 00:13:10,944 Speaker 2: Seen Yes, because I was nearly going to ridicule you 298 00:13:10,944 --> 00:13:12,984 Speaker 2: for bringing that up because it seemed like a kind 299 00:13:12,984 --> 00:13:14,984 Speaker 2: of a sort of basic bitch, but it's like a 300 00:13:15,024 --> 00:13:17,504 Speaker 2: very obvious anta. I am a basic, but as am 301 00:13:17,544 --> 00:13:20,264 Speaker 2: I very proudly. But then there are so many people, 302 00:13:20,464 --> 00:13:23,264 Speaker 2: especially younger women in our office, who when I mentioned 303 00:13:23,264 --> 00:13:25,384 Speaker 2: Sex and the City like never seen it and don't 304 00:13:25,384 --> 00:13:27,064 Speaker 2: desire to see it because they're like, oh, no, that's 305 00:13:27,064 --> 00:13:29,344 Speaker 2: an old show. It's not for me, and it has 306 00:13:29,424 --> 00:13:32,064 Speaker 2: obviously it's aged badly in some parts. But the core 307 00:13:32,144 --> 00:13:34,704 Speaker 2: of it of like female friendships and how those who 308 00:13:34,704 --> 00:13:37,904 Speaker 2: will become your family, I think has really like holds 309 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,104 Speaker 2: up today in a way that so many other TV 310 00:13:40,144 --> 00:13:40,744 Speaker 2: shows don't. 311 00:13:41,064 --> 00:13:43,984 Speaker 1: So just if you haven't watched it, start it. If 312 00:13:43,984 --> 00:13:45,664 Speaker 1: you have, it's all on again. 313 00:13:46,224 --> 00:13:49,304 Speaker 4: All six seasons are on Bitch second recommendation. There are 314 00:13:49,304 --> 00:13:52,224 Speaker 4: only two seasons sadly, but our audience and I think 315 00:13:52,264 --> 00:13:53,464 Speaker 4: all of our office really got into it. 316 00:13:53,544 --> 00:13:57,144 Speaker 1: Firefly Lane on Netflix. You can't go a whole day 317 00:13:57,344 --> 00:14:00,664 Speaker 1: without talking to me. It's too much. I need you 318 00:14:01,144 --> 00:14:02,184 Speaker 1: for my soulmate me. 319 00:14:02,304 --> 00:14:04,024 Speaker 5: Bitch, You're the bitch. 320 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:04,504 Speaker 4: Bitch. 321 00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:05,664 Speaker 1: It's a comfort show. 322 00:14:05,824 --> 00:14:08,824 Speaker 4: It is about two female friends who meet as young 323 00:14:08,864 --> 00:14:10,944 Speaker 4: girls on Firefly Lane. You just watch them over the 324 00:14:11,024 --> 00:14:13,424 Speaker 4: next thirty years. It's Katherine Heigl and Sarah Chalk and 325 00:14:13,504 --> 00:14:16,464 Speaker 4: it just follows them over their trajectory of their lives. 326 00:14:16,544 --> 00:14:18,144 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a goodie. 327 00:14:18,184 --> 00:14:20,024 Speaker 4: It's a shame it got cancer up for season two, 328 00:14:20,264 --> 00:14:22,264 Speaker 4: but I still recommend watching both of them. 329 00:14:22,704 --> 00:14:25,944 Speaker 2: Well, coming up next, more recommendations on friendship. Oz got 330 00:14:25,984 --> 00:14:28,264 Speaker 2: real wholesome all of a sudden, and then we can 331 00:14:28,304 --> 00:14:32,304 Speaker 2: watch Okay, I feel like this one gets brought up 332 00:14:32,344 --> 00:14:34,664 Speaker 2: more as like an iconic comedy, but for me, it 333 00:14:34,784 --> 00:14:37,624 Speaker 2: is the pinnacle of female friendship on TV. And it's 334 00:14:37,624 --> 00:14:40,184 Speaker 2: a show called broad City. Yes, can watch it on 335 00:14:40,264 --> 00:14:43,824 Speaker 2: stan It's this amazing, very intense comedy. And it's Alana 336 00:14:43,864 --> 00:14:47,464 Speaker 2: Glazier and Abby Jacobson who were best friends and like 337 00:14:47,504 --> 00:14:50,704 Speaker 2: co creators in real life, and they made this web 338 00:14:50,784 --> 00:14:53,904 Speaker 2: series about these two best friends called Abby and Alana 339 00:14:54,024 --> 00:14:56,584 Speaker 2: living New York and all these crazy adventures they go through. 340 00:14:56,824 --> 00:14:59,224 Speaker 2: And it's not the typical best friends living in New York. 341 00:14:59,264 --> 00:15:01,024 Speaker 2: It's very much like you see, kind of like the 342 00:15:01,104 --> 00:15:02,984 Speaker 2: rougher side of it, and like not having any money, 343 00:15:02,984 --> 00:15:05,024 Speaker 2: living in a basic apartment, all that sort of stuff, 344 00:15:05,304 --> 00:15:08,224 Speaker 2: but it is so very funny. And Amy Poehler saw 345 00:15:08,264 --> 00:15:10,064 Speaker 2: their web series and became aware of the show and 346 00:15:10,144 --> 00:15:12,504 Speaker 2: kne as an executive producer and blew it up to 347 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:16,664 Speaker 2: this big, critically acclaimed comedy series that it turned into. 348 00:15:16,824 --> 00:15:18,864 Speaker 2: And like they go on you know, Weird Dates as 349 00:15:18,864 --> 00:15:21,984 Speaker 2: a very iconic episode about pegging, just like it's so good, 350 00:15:22,024 --> 00:15:25,024 Speaker 2: it's so funny, and they go on these absurdist adventures, 351 00:15:25,024 --> 00:15:27,144 Speaker 2: but the heart of it always is the fact that 352 00:15:27,184 --> 00:15:29,544 Speaker 2: their friendship is the core. So that's on stand. You 353 00:15:29,544 --> 00:15:31,864 Speaker 2: should watch that. And the second one I'm gonna go 354 00:15:31,944 --> 00:15:33,504 Speaker 2: with is Dead to Me on Netflix. 355 00:15:33,704 --> 00:15:34,784 Speaker 1: Oh I love Dead to Me. 356 00:15:34,864 --> 00:15:37,824 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Christy and Applegate, Linda Cardlini. And also 357 00:15:37,864 --> 00:15:39,584 Speaker 2: I love that a lot of these kind of stories 358 00:15:39,624 --> 00:15:42,064 Speaker 2: are childhood best friends and like friends who have been 359 00:15:42,144 --> 00:15:44,624 Speaker 2: like around each other in their early twenties, like Sex 360 00:15:44,624 --> 00:15:46,984 Speaker 2: and the City is very much like that Broad City. 361 00:15:47,104 --> 00:15:49,104 Speaker 2: You know, they're in their twenties and that's how they 362 00:15:49,224 --> 00:15:51,064 Speaker 2: become friends. So I feel like a lot of shows 363 00:15:51,064 --> 00:15:54,624 Speaker 2: centering younger friendship or friendship like Firefight Lane that started 364 00:15:54,624 --> 00:15:57,144 Speaker 2: from childhood, whereas Dead to Me is two in their 365 00:15:57,184 --> 00:15:59,704 Speaker 2: forties they come together over not a spoiler. I feel 366 00:15:59,704 --> 00:16:01,624 Speaker 2: like everyone's sort of across the show now, but you know, 367 00:16:01,864 --> 00:16:03,984 Speaker 2: one HiT's the other one's husband with their car, and 368 00:16:04,024 --> 00:16:05,744 Speaker 2: it's all secret and then it comes out and they 369 00:16:05,784 --> 00:16:08,384 Speaker 2: hide dead bodies together and stuff. But I just love 370 00:16:08,424 --> 00:16:11,504 Speaker 2: that you can find this crazy new friendship in your 371 00:16:11,544 --> 00:16:14,944 Speaker 2: forties and it's so complex between these women and obviously 372 00:16:14,944 --> 00:16:17,464 Speaker 2: this massive secret comes out between them, but it doesn't 373 00:16:17,504 --> 00:16:19,624 Speaker 2: change where their friendship is and they become each other's 374 00:16:19,664 --> 00:16:23,144 Speaker 2: like complete Ride or Die. Christina Applegate and Linda CARDLINI 375 00:16:23,224 --> 00:16:26,424 Speaker 2: are so good in it right together. They really are 376 00:16:26,464 --> 00:16:30,104 Speaker 2: defining performances. So that's on Netflix. I feel like most 377 00:16:30,104 --> 00:16:31,744 Speaker 2: people have watched it, but if you haven't watched it, 378 00:16:31,824 --> 00:16:33,184 Speaker 2: or if you've seen a rewatch, like I think it 379 00:16:33,224 --> 00:16:35,624 Speaker 2: really hords out for sure as a rewatch and like 380 00:16:35,744 --> 00:16:38,504 Speaker 2: more TV shows about female friendship, it's all I want 381 00:16:38,544 --> 00:16:40,384 Speaker 2: to watch and not women getting murdered. 382 00:16:45,064 --> 00:16:46,224 Speaker 1: The weekend Watch. 383 00:16:47,304 --> 00:16:49,584 Speaker 4: Okay, so on to weekend watch, and I have a 384 00:16:49,624 --> 00:16:51,784 Speaker 4: movie that I'm really looking forward to watching. 385 00:16:51,904 --> 00:16:53,264 Speaker 1: So people probably don't know this. 386 00:16:53,624 --> 00:16:56,224 Speaker 4: I love a biopic, huge fan of biopic and they 387 00:16:56,264 --> 00:16:59,224 Speaker 4: twist about you. Yeah, and the more you know, so 388 00:16:59,384 --> 00:17:02,144 Speaker 4: There's a new Netflix biopic that comes out today. 389 00:17:02,344 --> 00:17:06,504 Speaker 1: It's called Shirley. I have something I want to tell you. 390 00:17:06,864 --> 00:17:11,344 Speaker 1: I am running for President of the United States, unpeaving 391 00:17:11,384 --> 00:17:12,984 Speaker 1: the rule for a lot of other people looking like 392 00:17:13,024 --> 00:17:14,144 Speaker 1: me to get elected. 393 00:17:13,784 --> 00:17:15,904 Speaker 4: For broadcast first black representative. 394 00:17:16,784 --> 00:17:19,344 Speaker 1: You sound just like every other politician? Do I look 395 00:17:19,464 --> 00:17:20,624 Speaker 1: like every other politician? 396 00:17:20,824 --> 00:17:21,184 Speaker 5: Truly? 397 00:17:21,544 --> 00:17:24,384 Speaker 1: It killed win, and why can't I win? I have 398 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:28,584 Speaker 1: an opportunity to make a difference. I don't think I'm special. 399 00:17:29,184 --> 00:17:31,704 Speaker 1: I just want to remind people what it's possible. 400 00:17:32,344 --> 00:17:33,264 Speaker 5: You won't do all that. 401 00:17:33,624 --> 00:17:36,704 Speaker 1: I'm a schoolteacher from Brooklyn. Harriet was just a sleeve. 402 00:17:37,184 --> 00:17:41,024 Speaker 1: Rosa was just a domestic. So it's based the true 403 00:17:41,064 --> 00:17:42,464 Speaker 1: story of Shirley Chisholm. 404 00:17:42,744 --> 00:17:45,704 Speaker 4: She was the first black congresswoman and the movie follows 405 00:17:45,704 --> 00:17:49,464 Speaker 4: her run for US president in nineteen seventy two, which 406 00:17:49,504 --> 00:17:53,584 Speaker 4: is just completely groundbreaking. Rigita King, who I love, plays Shirley, 407 00:17:54,024 --> 00:17:57,704 Speaker 4: but also stars the late Lance Reddick, Terrence Howard, and 408 00:17:57,784 --> 00:18:01,544 Speaker 4: Lucas Hedges. Firstly, the trailer looks amazing, and secondly, it's 409 00:18:01,544 --> 00:18:05,264 Speaker 4: directed by Academy Award winner John Ridley, who wrote Twelve 410 00:18:05,344 --> 00:18:08,024 Speaker 4: Years a Slave, and it's from the executive producers of 411 00:18:08,064 --> 00:18:10,304 Speaker 4: two of my favorite films, Judas and the Black Bessie 412 00:18:10,544 --> 00:18:13,544 Speaker 4: and Spotlight. Yeah, just a big fan and it's already 413 00:18:13,544 --> 00:18:15,264 Speaker 4: got me in the heart strings. I bot goose bumps, 414 00:18:15,304 --> 00:18:17,184 Speaker 4: and that's what I'm sadly in for this weekend. 415 00:18:17,224 --> 00:18:19,824 Speaker 1: So it's Sureley on Netflix. It's dropped today. 416 00:18:20,224 --> 00:18:21,944 Speaker 2: I think we've accidentally done a bit of a girl 417 00:18:21,984 --> 00:18:24,784 Speaker 2: power episode. I think we have with our recommendations and 418 00:18:24,824 --> 00:18:27,624 Speaker 2: our chat. I don't hate it now. My recommendation is 419 00:18:27,664 --> 00:18:28,704 Speaker 2: the girls on the bus. 420 00:18:29,304 --> 00:18:36,224 Speaker 5: Here we are for political reporters, rivals, vicious competitors getting 421 00:18:36,384 --> 00:18:41,424 Speaker 5: entirely out of control. Why because with state of American 422 00:18:41,464 --> 00:18:44,224 Speaker 5: politics is the state of our own lives. Twenty six 423 00:18:44,264 --> 00:18:46,904 Speaker 5: cities and fourteen states in five days. I'm going to 424 00:18:46,944 --> 00:18:48,904 Speaker 5: remain detached, objective. 425 00:18:48,904 --> 00:18:53,344 Speaker 1: And mostly sober. How did you get this number? It's 426 00:18:53,384 --> 00:18:55,344 Speaker 1: a serious shit. They need to work together. 427 00:18:55,904 --> 00:18:59,064 Speaker 5: Oh oh to your on the record is off the 428 00:18:59,104 --> 00:19:02,504 Speaker 5: record to being stuck on that bus? 429 00:19:02,504 --> 00:19:03,264 Speaker 1: Would you crazy? 430 00:19:03,304 --> 00:19:03,424 Speaker 4: Bit? 431 00:19:04,304 --> 00:19:08,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a political comedy, which they don't usually go together. 432 00:19:08,824 --> 00:19:12,224 Speaker 2: I would say it's a bit more comedic and like dramaedy. 433 00:19:12,384 --> 00:19:14,784 Speaker 2: Then it is a political kind of satire that people 434 00:19:14,784 --> 00:19:17,264 Speaker 2: were really expecting. And it tells the story of these 435 00:19:17,264 --> 00:19:20,784 Speaker 2: four female journalists who are following this group of very 436 00:19:20,784 --> 00:19:24,744 Speaker 2: flawed presidential candidates. And it's like their story, as when 437 00:19:24,824 --> 00:19:27,584 Speaker 2: presidential candidates go on the road often like the same 438 00:19:27,584 --> 00:19:30,664 Speaker 2: group of journalists will follow them around for months reporting 439 00:19:30,784 --> 00:19:34,344 Speaker 2: on their events and their interviews and their campaign and 440 00:19:34,384 --> 00:19:36,784 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. And so it's the story 441 00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:38,904 Speaker 2: of these women and like their friendship and the love 442 00:19:38,984 --> 00:19:41,464 Speaker 2: stories they have, the scandals they get involved in. And 443 00:19:41,504 --> 00:19:43,744 Speaker 2: what's super interesting is that it was co created and 444 00:19:43,784 --> 00:19:47,424 Speaker 2: produced by Amy Chozik, who is an American writer journalist 445 00:19:47,464 --> 00:19:50,104 Speaker 2: who previously worked at the New York Times, and she 446 00:19:50,504 --> 00:19:53,344 Speaker 2: was on the campaign trail with Hillary Clinton and the 447 00:19:53,384 --> 00:19:55,744 Speaker 2: woman saw some stuff. So then she wrote a book 448 00:19:55,784 --> 00:19:58,984 Speaker 2: about her time on the campaign trail and everything she saw, 449 00:19:59,344 --> 00:20:01,704 Speaker 2: and the book is called Chasing Hillary. So Girls on 450 00:20:01,744 --> 00:20:04,544 Speaker 2: the Bus is based on her memoir. And it's got 451 00:20:04,544 --> 00:20:06,824 Speaker 2: a great cast. Melissa Bernost is in there, who a 452 00:20:06,864 --> 00:20:09,064 Speaker 2: lot of people know from Glee and Supergirl. The rest 453 00:20:09,064 --> 00:20:10,864 Speaker 2: of the cast is great. I don't know, I just 454 00:20:10,904 --> 00:20:14,384 Speaker 2: like quite like it. Like it's not hard hitting political satire, 455 00:20:14,584 --> 00:20:16,824 Speaker 2: it's not a really intense comedy. It's just kind of 456 00:20:16,824 --> 00:20:19,864 Speaker 2: an interesting watch. Episodes of Dropping Weekly. There are two 457 00:20:19,904 --> 00:20:21,904 Speaker 2: out now on Binge if you're just looking for something 458 00:20:21,904 --> 00:20:23,944 Speaker 2: else to watch that's based on a real story.