1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,504 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on. 5 00:00:25,184 --> 00:00:28,264 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 6 00:00:28,304 --> 00:00:29,944 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm Cassan La. 7 00:00:29,984 --> 00:00:31,544 Speaker 1: Kid and I'm Laura Brodneck. 8 00:00:31,744 --> 00:00:34,944 Speaker 3: So on today's show, we're going to dive deep into 9 00:00:34,984 --> 00:00:40,384 Speaker 3: the very controversial Sydney Sweeney Times article. And also this 10 00:00:40,424 --> 00:00:42,704 Speaker 3: isn't the first time that there's been, you know, some 11 00:00:42,784 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 3: kind of controversial profile pieces on celebrities. But first, something 12 00:00:50,064 --> 00:00:54,624 Speaker 3: that I have just been devouring over the last few 13 00:00:54,704 --> 00:01:00,024 Speaker 3: days is the Lost Culture Easters Culture Awards by Bowen 14 00:01:00,264 --> 00:01:03,664 Speaker 3: Yang and Matt Rogers. Now, I have been so excited 15 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:05,984 Speaker 3: about this. We spoke about it a couple of weeks ago, 16 00:01:06,264 --> 00:01:07,824 Speaker 3: or maybe a month ago or so on the pod 17 00:01:07,864 --> 00:01:11,104 Speaker 3: about the Nooms, and it's basically just it's like an 18 00:01:11,144 --> 00:01:14,584 Speaker 3: ode to culture, an ode to satire. It is suddonic, 19 00:01:14,704 --> 00:01:18,464 Speaker 3: it's silly, it's basically just playing making. 20 00:01:18,104 --> 00:01:19,904 Speaker 2: Fun of all of these award shows. 21 00:01:20,184 --> 00:01:22,624 Speaker 3: And it was just such a breath of fresh air 22 00:01:22,744 --> 00:01:28,304 Speaker 3: to see something on stage that was purely just for. 23 00:01:28,424 --> 00:01:30,144 Speaker 2: Joy, do you know what I mean? 24 00:01:30,264 --> 00:01:32,544 Speaker 3: And I think like everything hit and there was so 25 00:01:32,624 --> 00:01:34,864 Speaker 3: many great moments. We're not going to go into all 26 00:01:34,904 --> 00:01:37,624 Speaker 3: of them other ways, we'll be here all day. But 27 00:01:38,024 --> 00:01:40,904 Speaker 3: I think the one that we spoke about that we 28 00:01:41,024 --> 00:01:41,704 Speaker 3: really loved. 29 00:01:41,784 --> 00:01:43,424 Speaker 2: We're gonna play a little bit for you. 30 00:01:44,144 --> 00:01:48,744 Speaker 4: My boys a winner. He loves the game. My lips 31 00:01:48,744 --> 00:01:53,184 Speaker 4: reflect off his cross gold gee. I like the way 32 00:01:54,104 --> 00:01:58,384 Speaker 4: he's telling me my ass looks good in these red 33 00:01:58,584 --> 00:02:00,144 Speaker 4: blue gees. 34 00:02:01,304 --> 00:02:05,224 Speaker 5: My cheeks are red like cherries and low spring bodies 35 00:02:05,344 --> 00:02:12,104 Speaker 5: or work of art you dye to see untouched, Oh young. 36 00:02:12,624 --> 00:02:15,064 Speaker 5: Plus let's when we. 37 00:02:15,264 --> 00:02:20,984 Speaker 6: Dive in your car on your baby in the back seat. 38 00:02:21,664 --> 00:02:25,304 Speaker 6: So I love you love seeing love. 39 00:02:26,104 --> 00:02:26,624 Speaker 2: Obviously. 40 00:02:26,704 --> 00:02:29,784 Speaker 3: It is a cover of Diet Pepsi by Addison Ray, 41 00:02:30,464 --> 00:02:33,144 Speaker 3: and just the way that Ben Platt delivers it in 42 00:02:33,344 --> 00:02:36,184 Speaker 3: just he's so straight faced, he's so serious. You know, 43 00:02:36,264 --> 00:02:39,744 Speaker 3: he's talking about like take me in the backseat and 44 00:02:39,744 --> 00:02:41,984 Speaker 3: there's strings playing and he's. 45 00:02:41,824 --> 00:02:44,784 Speaker 2: Giving it his best Broadway magic. 46 00:02:45,024 --> 00:02:48,864 Speaker 3: It was truly spectacular, and I know as a fellow 47 00:02:48,904 --> 00:02:52,264 Speaker 3: Broadway baby yourself, you would have appreciated it. 48 00:02:52,264 --> 00:02:54,064 Speaker 1: It's something about like a Broadway stuff. So if you 49 00:02:54,064 --> 00:02:56,104 Speaker 1: don't know Ben Platt, he originated the role of Evan 50 00:02:56,144 --> 00:02:58,384 Speaker 1: Hanson Dare Evan Hanson on Broadway, and he's got like 51 00:02:58,384 --> 00:03:02,024 Speaker 1: an unparalleled beautiful voice, taking like one of the biggest 52 00:03:02,024 --> 00:03:03,864 Speaker 1: pop songs at the moment. And because he was singing 53 00:03:03,904 --> 00:03:06,984 Speaker 1: in the in Memoriam section two of the Awards and 54 00:03:07,064 --> 00:03:08,544 Speaker 1: it was just one of those moments where he came 55 00:03:08,584 --> 00:03:10,744 Speaker 1: out and just everyone was like blowing away. And then 56 00:03:10,784 --> 00:03:13,264 Speaker 1: the campaign started for it to be released on Spotify 57 00:03:13,264 --> 00:03:15,784 Speaker 1: because that wasn't the plan, and that it was released 58 00:03:15,784 --> 00:03:17,784 Speaker 1: this morning. And I know this because I woke up 59 00:03:17,784 --> 00:03:20,504 Speaker 1: to about fifteen messages from people being like you we 60 00:03:20,544 --> 00:03:22,824 Speaker 1: please know this is on Spotify and it's already my 61 00:03:22,864 --> 00:03:24,384 Speaker 1: most played song of twenty twenty five. 62 00:03:24,424 --> 00:03:25,144 Speaker 2: I would say. 63 00:03:25,064 --> 00:03:27,544 Speaker 3: I have been listening to it back to back while 64 00:03:27,544 --> 00:03:28,664 Speaker 3: prepping for this episode. 65 00:03:28,824 --> 00:03:32,304 Speaker 2: It's just it just hits, It just hits. It's really 66 00:03:32,424 --> 00:03:33,024 Speaker 2: really good. 67 00:03:33,504 --> 00:03:35,984 Speaker 3: Ben Platt also was in like Pitch Perfect, so he's 68 00:03:36,024 --> 00:03:39,104 Speaker 3: been in a million different things. And then my other 69 00:03:39,184 --> 00:03:43,744 Speaker 3: favorite bit was the Renee Rap Award. 70 00:03:43,424 --> 00:03:45,504 Speaker 2: For Power in Lesbianism. 71 00:03:46,264 --> 00:03:48,464 Speaker 3: So we had a number of nominees and obviously this 72 00:03:48,864 --> 00:03:52,064 Speaker 3: whole thing is just like a joke, like Matt Rogers 73 00:03:52,064 --> 00:03:55,664 Speaker 3: and Bowen Yang initially started this as a complete joke. 74 00:03:55,744 --> 00:04:00,104 Speaker 3: They never intended to turn into an awards show, and 75 00:04:00,184 --> 00:04:04,344 Speaker 3: it just kind of spiraled and Bravo picked it up, and. 76 00:04:03,544 --> 00:04:05,744 Speaker 2: Andy Cohen got involved and. 77 00:04:05,784 --> 00:04:09,424 Speaker 3: It just sort of escalated. So the Renee rap Award 78 00:04:09,464 --> 00:04:12,584 Speaker 3: for Power in Lesbian. There was your Grandma even though 79 00:04:12,584 --> 00:04:16,264 Speaker 3: she was married for fifty years. There was Miss Honey 80 00:04:16,264 --> 00:04:19,864 Speaker 3: from Matilda, which I thought was quite funny, and you know, 81 00:04:19,944 --> 00:04:22,944 Speaker 3: being presented by Renee Rapp, who is actually so much 82 00:04:23,024 --> 00:04:25,344 Speaker 3: funnier than I mean. I knew she was funny, but 83 00:04:25,384 --> 00:04:27,584 Speaker 3: she just delivered it in such a perfect way. The 84 00:04:27,624 --> 00:04:30,944 Speaker 3: announced winner was we'll play the audio for you because 85 00:04:30,944 --> 00:04:33,704 Speaker 3: my delivery of it is just not gonna It's not 86 00:04:33,744 --> 00:04:34,304 Speaker 3: gonna do it. 87 00:04:34,624 --> 00:04:37,104 Speaker 7: I'm here to present the Renee Wrapp Award for Power 88 00:04:37,224 --> 00:04:41,344 Speaker 7: in Lesbian as much Ah Swan. Probably your grandma even 89 00:04:41,344 --> 00:04:44,464 Speaker 7: though she was married to your grandma for fifty years. Well, 90 00:04:44,504 --> 00:04:47,344 Speaker 7: your grandma couldn't be here tonight because she's dead. She's dead, 91 00:04:47,384 --> 00:04:49,704 Speaker 7: she's in heaven. But she did send a speech which 92 00:04:49,744 --> 00:04:54,544 Speaker 7: I will read now. Hi, sweetie, it's Mima. I'm sorry 93 00:04:54,624 --> 00:04:56,504 Speaker 7: you had to find out that I'm a big foot 94 00:04:56,664 --> 00:04:59,664 Speaker 7: switched granola lesbian, but the good news is that I'm 95 00:04:59,704 --> 00:05:00,544 Speaker 7: in heaven. 96 00:05:02,384 --> 00:05:03,904 Speaker 2: With my girlfriend. 97 00:05:04,864 --> 00:05:11,264 Speaker 7: Amelia Earhart, and lesbian sex is amazing. Scissoring is real love, Mima. 98 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:12,944 Speaker 2: I loved it. There's so many more moments. We don't 99 00:05:12,944 --> 00:05:14,584 Speaker 2: have to go into it. We'll put a couple of 100 00:05:14,624 --> 00:05:15,864 Speaker 2: links and maybe. 101 00:05:15,584 --> 00:05:18,744 Speaker 3: Some clips up on socials, but yeah, definitely one of 102 00:05:18,744 --> 00:05:21,664 Speaker 3: my favorite moments. I just love it when people bring 103 00:05:21,784 --> 00:05:24,864 Speaker 3: joy and satire and we don't have to focus on 104 00:05:24,984 --> 00:05:27,304 Speaker 3: all of the difficult stuff in life. And that's what 105 00:05:27,344 --> 00:05:30,024 Speaker 3: we do spilled too, I think most of the time. 106 00:05:30,544 --> 00:05:30,784 Speaker 7: Nana. 107 00:05:31,784 --> 00:05:33,384 Speaker 1: Okay, So now we need to talk about a new 108 00:05:33,464 --> 00:05:35,744 Speaker 1: article that has come out from The Times overnight and 109 00:05:35,784 --> 00:05:39,144 Speaker 1: it's titled My fifty Minutes with Sidney Sweeney, the pinup 110 00:05:39,184 --> 00:05:42,504 Speaker 1: Dividing America. So this is written by Meghan Agnew and 111 00:05:42,664 --> 00:05:44,344 Speaker 1: it starts off as quite a kind of an interesting 112 00:05:44,384 --> 00:05:47,744 Speaker 1: profile where she's it's to promote some of Sydney's new 113 00:05:47,744 --> 00:05:50,384 Speaker 1: movies but also her many many brand deals, and it 114 00:05:50,464 --> 00:05:53,544 Speaker 1: starts off with an interesting note about Sydney arriving fifteen 115 00:05:53,544 --> 00:05:56,624 Speaker 1: minutes early for the interview, which at first Megan thinks 116 00:05:56,704 --> 00:05:59,224 Speaker 1: is a really good sign that she's so keen to 117 00:05:59,504 --> 00:06:02,464 Speaker 1: beat the photo shoot, she's so keen to take part 118 00:06:02,504 --> 00:06:05,144 Speaker 1: in the interview, but she quickly realizes that it's actually 119 00:06:05,144 --> 00:06:06,904 Speaker 1: the opposite and she wants to get out there as 120 00:06:06,944 --> 00:06:07,744 Speaker 1: quickly as she can. 121 00:06:08,184 --> 00:06:10,304 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think what is really important to note 122 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:14,104 Speaker 3: is that this particular interview was done before the American 123 00:06:14,144 --> 00:06:17,784 Speaker 3: Eagle Yes backlash, So some of the controversy around and 124 00:06:17,784 --> 00:06:21,944 Speaker 3: the way that Sydney is behaving is not necessarily because 125 00:06:21,944 --> 00:06:24,704 Speaker 3: of the American Eagle campaign. So one of the main 126 00:06:24,824 --> 00:06:27,704 Speaker 3: things that Megan Agnew kind of notes in this interview, 127 00:06:27,704 --> 00:06:29,984 Speaker 3: and it keeps sort of popping up over and over again, 128 00:06:30,584 --> 00:06:33,144 Speaker 3: is that Sydney didn't want to be there. She was 129 00:06:33,304 --> 00:06:36,784 Speaker 3: pretty stand offish, and she was very very guarded and 130 00:06:36,944 --> 00:06:41,264 Speaker 3: kept looking off to her publicity team. I also noticed 131 00:06:41,304 --> 00:06:44,304 Speaker 3: that Meghan didn't actually mention any of the projects she 132 00:06:44,424 --> 00:06:45,184 Speaker 3: was promoting. 133 00:06:45,624 --> 00:06:47,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't know kind of guess a roundabout way, 134 00:06:47,824 --> 00:06:49,184 Speaker 1: but not as much as the new ones. But I 135 00:06:49,224 --> 00:06:51,464 Speaker 1: guess it's the many endorsement deals, you know, the bath Water, 136 00:06:51,544 --> 00:06:54,744 Speaker 1: putting her face on things, her different projects, even Euphoria 137 00:06:54,784 --> 00:06:57,504 Speaker 1: that she's shooting now. And it was kind of interesting 138 00:06:57,504 --> 00:06:59,384 Speaker 1: because a lot of the headlines around he are like 139 00:06:59,904 --> 00:07:03,424 Speaker 1: a journalist skewers. Sydney Sweeney writes awful profile of her, 140 00:07:03,464 --> 00:07:06,104 Speaker 1: but if you read the full thing, there's actually not 141 00:07:06,144 --> 00:07:08,784 Speaker 1: a lot of like damning information in there. She hasn't 142 00:07:08,784 --> 00:07:11,304 Speaker 1: written in a bad way. She notes as you're saying 143 00:07:11,304 --> 00:07:13,984 Speaker 1: that she keeps looking off to her publicist, And there's 144 00:07:14,024 --> 00:07:16,024 Speaker 1: a really good sentence in there. I mean, Meghan Angue 145 00:07:16,064 --> 00:07:18,584 Speaker 1: is such an incredible profile, right. I always read her 146 00:07:18,624 --> 00:07:21,584 Speaker 1: stuff where she said that Sidney Sweeney is so scared 147 00:07:21,664 --> 00:07:24,384 Speaker 1: of saying the wrong thing that she so carefully places 148 00:07:24,824 --> 00:07:27,344 Speaker 1: one word in front of the other so slowly that 149 00:07:27,384 --> 00:07:30,464 Speaker 1: she comes off as boring. And that's probably the most 150 00:07:30,544 --> 00:07:33,624 Speaker 1: kind of damning thing in there. And it's Meghan painting 151 00:07:33,624 --> 00:07:36,184 Speaker 1: a picture of how she's trying to talk to this 152 00:07:36,264 --> 00:07:39,704 Speaker 1: woman who love her or hater is very fascinating, makes 153 00:07:39,744 --> 00:07:42,584 Speaker 1: so many headlines, has so many kind of different stories 154 00:07:42,624 --> 00:07:44,904 Speaker 1: around her, and every time she does an interview it 155 00:07:44,904 --> 00:07:47,624 Speaker 1: does blow up in some way, and so she's trying 156 00:07:47,624 --> 00:07:49,144 Speaker 1: to get to get to the heart of that. But 157 00:07:49,504 --> 00:07:51,784 Speaker 1: Sidney is so reserved that's like she's just running out 158 00:07:51,824 --> 00:07:54,864 Speaker 1: the clock by talking around in circles and not answering 159 00:07:54,904 --> 00:07:55,704 Speaker 1: any of her questions. 160 00:07:55,784 --> 00:07:57,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, Meghan also says something she talks 161 00:07:57,984 --> 00:08:00,424 Speaker 3: about it being a very fresh fame, and I found 162 00:08:00,464 --> 00:08:03,064 Speaker 3: that very interesting because I've seen that before as well. 163 00:08:03,504 --> 00:08:06,184 Speaker 3: When you know celebrities in you they will often get 164 00:08:06,224 --> 00:08:10,024 Speaker 3: like media training, and that can make someone feel very guarded. 165 00:08:10,104 --> 00:08:13,184 Speaker 3: But Sidney talks about being a guarded person usually, and 166 00:08:13,224 --> 00:08:16,664 Speaker 3: I think given the last couple of months, that has 167 00:08:16,744 --> 00:08:18,224 Speaker 3: sort of made her. 168 00:08:18,104 --> 00:08:19,184 Speaker 2: Maybe more guarded. 169 00:08:19,544 --> 00:08:23,144 Speaker 3: But what happens is is it becomes, especially with these 170 00:08:23,184 --> 00:08:27,904 Speaker 3: profile pieces, the story is now you're not authentic, and 171 00:08:28,184 --> 00:08:31,624 Speaker 3: that is all people want in this world is authenticity. 172 00:08:32,184 --> 00:08:35,944 Speaker 3: And now off the back of this American Eagle campaign 173 00:08:36,664 --> 00:08:39,304 Speaker 3: and also you know, people digging up and seeing she 174 00:08:39,424 --> 00:08:42,544 Speaker 3: was registered Republican back in twenty twenty four, like all 175 00:08:42,584 --> 00:08:45,064 Speaker 3: of these things now people are kind of trying to 176 00:08:45,144 --> 00:08:49,264 Speaker 3: sort of find these bits with her. Another bit in 177 00:08:49,264 --> 00:08:52,624 Speaker 3: the interview I found quite interesting is you know, Mega 178 00:08:52,704 --> 00:08:55,224 Speaker 3: was talking to her about why does she use her 179 00:08:55,224 --> 00:08:57,064 Speaker 3: sexuality to get money? 180 00:08:57,224 --> 00:08:59,344 Speaker 2: And Sidney goes, well, everyone does. 181 00:08:59,184 --> 00:09:02,224 Speaker 3: It, and then Meghan says, well, what do you think 182 00:09:02,264 --> 00:09:04,744 Speaker 3: about sort of you know em Rada and her book 183 00:09:04,864 --> 00:09:07,904 Speaker 3: My Body, does that kind of resonate with you at all? 184 00:09:08,104 --> 00:09:11,184 Speaker 2: And Sydney says, take the power back. 185 00:09:11,424 --> 00:09:14,584 Speaker 3: Megan asks in what way, and she says, you'll have 186 00:09:14,624 --> 00:09:17,024 Speaker 3: to wait and see, and that's it. Yeah, So it's 187 00:09:17,104 --> 00:09:19,424 Speaker 3: kind of like it just doesn't seem like there's any depth. 188 00:09:19,904 --> 00:09:22,184 Speaker 3: I think what Meghan is saying is that there's no 189 00:09:22,264 --> 00:09:24,784 Speaker 3: depth to the interview and this is basically all she 190 00:09:24,824 --> 00:09:26,104 Speaker 3: could get out of the article. 191 00:09:26,304 --> 00:09:28,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I very much understand her having to put 192 00:09:28,624 --> 00:09:31,064 Speaker 1: that amount of context around it, because if she had 193 00:09:31,064 --> 00:09:33,144 Speaker 1: written it as a straight piece, which you can kind 194 00:09:33,144 --> 00:09:35,144 Speaker 1: of tell when a journalist has interviewed to celebrity and 195 00:09:35,184 --> 00:09:37,504 Speaker 1: they've given them nothing and they try and fill it 196 00:09:37,504 --> 00:09:40,624 Speaker 1: with all these like flowery quotes and background information, but 197 00:09:40,664 --> 00:09:42,784 Speaker 1: you read through and there's just nothing there. And I 198 00:09:42,864 --> 00:09:45,064 Speaker 1: think because Meg and Agnew is not the type of 199 00:09:45,104 --> 00:09:47,784 Speaker 1: journalist to write like a flowery profile, she had to 200 00:09:47,864 --> 00:09:50,904 Speaker 1: explain to the reader why there was nothing there. And 201 00:09:50,944 --> 00:09:52,984 Speaker 1: I guess that is an interesting thing to see a 202 00:09:52,984 --> 00:09:56,424 Speaker 1: woman who is seen as like a producer, so outspoken, 203 00:09:56,504 --> 00:09:58,704 Speaker 1: all these things come into an interview and give nothing. 204 00:09:58,784 --> 00:10:01,544 Speaker 1: That in itself is kind of interesting. It's kind of 205 00:10:01,544 --> 00:10:03,264 Speaker 1: harb a Sydney Sweeney, because you can kind of tell 206 00:10:03,304 --> 00:10:06,504 Speaker 1: that Meghan Agnew can see an interesting side of her 207 00:10:06,504 --> 00:10:08,824 Speaker 1: that she's trying to get to, and the interesting side 208 00:10:08,864 --> 00:10:11,504 Speaker 1: of her is how focused she is on money more 209 00:10:11,544 --> 00:10:14,144 Speaker 1: so than fame. And then the interview gets into talking 210 00:10:14,184 --> 00:10:17,064 Speaker 1: about how when she was twelve, she presented her family 211 00:10:17,104 --> 00:10:19,264 Speaker 1: with a five point business plan of why should she 212 00:10:19,384 --> 00:10:21,544 Speaker 1: be an actress and how much money she could make 213 00:10:21,544 --> 00:10:23,904 Speaker 1: and how it could set her up. So she always 214 00:10:23,904 --> 00:10:26,584 Speaker 1: has come at her career with this really intensity of 215 00:10:26,624 --> 00:10:28,664 Speaker 1: like it's a business, not that she's so much doing 216 00:10:28,744 --> 00:10:30,584 Speaker 1: it like for the art and the craft, which I 217 00:10:30,664 --> 00:10:33,224 Speaker 1: kind of respect. Yeah's if that's all you feel like, 218 00:10:33,264 --> 00:10:34,464 Speaker 1: it's refreshing to say that. 219 00:10:34,664 --> 00:10:37,304 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like that's probably the most honest 220 00:10:37,624 --> 00:10:40,144 Speaker 3: thing that she says in the interview. 221 00:10:40,624 --> 00:10:42,304 Speaker 2: But I've seen this before, and I've had this. 222 00:10:42,384 --> 00:10:46,104 Speaker 3: I've had this experience before where when you're interviewing someone 223 00:10:46,224 --> 00:10:48,864 Speaker 3: and you can tell that either they want to get 224 00:10:48,864 --> 00:10:51,984 Speaker 3: out of there or they're giving you very little, and 225 00:10:52,064 --> 00:10:55,624 Speaker 3: it becomes it's like pulling teeth, you know, fifteen minutes 226 00:10:55,784 --> 00:10:59,624 Speaker 3: the articles not very long, and an hour interview would 227 00:10:59,864 --> 00:11:02,744 Speaker 3: generally give you a little bit more. And I think 228 00:11:02,784 --> 00:11:05,224 Speaker 3: that's why Megan hat does it say like she really 229 00:11:05,264 --> 00:11:06,184 Speaker 3: wanted to get out of there. 230 00:11:06,224 --> 00:11:09,024 Speaker 2: She kept looking over. But I do also. 231 00:11:08,904 --> 00:11:12,424 Speaker 3: Understand her being guard I would understand it more if 232 00:11:12,464 --> 00:11:16,144 Speaker 3: it were after the American Eagle backlash, but this. 233 00:11:16,224 --> 00:11:19,704 Speaker 2: Was before it, so maybe that's just the way she is. 234 00:11:20,664 --> 00:11:23,464 Speaker 1: I think even before the American Eagle ad she is 235 00:11:23,544 --> 00:11:25,664 Speaker 1: kind of used to anything she's saying, blowing up in 236 00:11:25,704 --> 00:11:27,584 Speaker 1: a way, which is kind of I hate when celebrity 237 00:11:27,624 --> 00:11:29,104 Speaker 1: is like, you have a celebrity come along and they 238 00:11:29,104 --> 00:11:31,824 Speaker 1: do talk very openly, whether you agree with them or not, 239 00:11:32,184 --> 00:11:33,944 Speaker 1: because at least it kind of gives us some more 240 00:11:34,024 --> 00:11:37,344 Speaker 1: interesting discussion to have around how real people operate instead 241 00:11:37,344 --> 00:11:39,264 Speaker 1: of having these like this is so obviously the stuff 242 00:11:39,304 --> 00:11:41,544 Speaker 1: that she said, and there is so obviously a fed 243 00:11:41,584 --> 00:11:43,744 Speaker 1: line from her publicity team who were in the room 244 00:11:43,744 --> 00:11:46,184 Speaker 1: with her. But previous to that, Sidneys when he said 245 00:11:46,184 --> 00:11:48,504 Speaker 1: that she would never take time off and she works 246 00:11:48,504 --> 00:11:51,344 Speaker 1: really hard because she couldn't pay her bills unless she 247 00:11:51,424 --> 00:11:53,864 Speaker 1: kept working, and there was this huge backlash on that 248 00:11:54,024 --> 00:11:56,184 Speaker 1: because people were like, what do you mean you can't 249 00:11:56,184 --> 00:11:57,984 Speaker 1: live off a couple of million a year, but it's 250 00:11:57,984 --> 00:12:00,264 Speaker 1: all relative of you know who you are. But then 251 00:12:00,384 --> 00:12:03,824 Speaker 1: also there's a part in this profile where the journalist 252 00:12:03,864 --> 00:12:05,544 Speaker 1: talks about her eyes kind of lighting up when she 253 00:12:05,544 --> 00:12:08,944 Speaker 1: talks about property because she's got this huge property portfolio, 254 00:12:09,024 --> 00:12:11,784 Speaker 1: and she talks about each a state or home she 255 00:12:11,864 --> 00:12:14,104 Speaker 1: has having a different feel. So each of them needs 256 00:12:14,104 --> 00:12:17,304 Speaker 1: their own car because that's their vibe. That's obviously not relatable, 257 00:12:17,344 --> 00:12:19,584 Speaker 1: but it is an interesting insight into this woman who 258 00:12:20,184 --> 00:12:22,584 Speaker 1: has so much money from this career that she's built 259 00:12:22,584 --> 00:12:25,144 Speaker 1: because she dragged her family to la when she was 260 00:12:25,144 --> 00:12:26,944 Speaker 1: twelve and they all lived in one hotel room and 261 00:12:26,984 --> 00:12:28,944 Speaker 1: had no money, and she promised them that she would 262 00:12:29,264 --> 00:12:31,664 Speaker 1: make money one day. And now she has this huge 263 00:12:31,704 --> 00:12:34,744 Speaker 1: like empire. Like that is interesting, but you can see 264 00:12:34,744 --> 00:12:36,304 Speaker 1: the backlash coming in her head already. 265 00:12:36,344 --> 00:12:39,024 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like she's good on her Her family 266 00:12:39,104 --> 00:12:41,544 Speaker 3: went from bankruptcy to now she like she achieved what 267 00:12:41,624 --> 00:12:46,104 Speaker 3: she wanted to achieve. So without sort of psychoanalyzing Sydney Sweeney, 268 00:12:46,424 --> 00:12:48,904 Speaker 3: I think if you do grow up very. 269 00:12:48,784 --> 00:12:51,824 Speaker 2: Poor and then get money, you are. 270 00:12:52,224 --> 00:12:55,224 Speaker 3: Very conscious of not losing it, so like really wanting 271 00:12:55,264 --> 00:12:58,144 Speaker 3: to continue working to stay at the point that you are, 272 00:12:58,184 --> 00:13:00,824 Speaker 3: because you know what it's like in the other direction. 273 00:13:01,384 --> 00:13:03,024 Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm not projecting. 274 00:13:02,824 --> 00:13:07,064 Speaker 3: But I just think that it's an interesting turnaround for her. 275 00:13:07,544 --> 00:13:12,504 Speaker 3: I appreciate that she works very hard and that it 276 00:13:12,584 --> 00:13:17,624 Speaker 3: must be really difficult as a celebrity to have every 277 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:21,664 Speaker 3: single thing dissected that you say. Like I remember when 278 00:13:21,704 --> 00:13:26,104 Speaker 3: I interviewed Kim Kardashian, every single answer was so perfectly 279 00:13:26,784 --> 00:13:31,264 Speaker 3: curated that it felt fake because this was a point 280 00:13:31,264 --> 00:13:33,944 Speaker 3: in her career where she was very well established. She 281 00:13:34,024 --> 00:13:37,544 Speaker 3: knew what she was doing, she knew how to get 282 00:13:37,584 --> 00:13:40,824 Speaker 3: the response that she wanted from that. It's like City 283 00:13:40,864 --> 00:13:43,664 Speaker 3: Spenty's trying to do that, but it hasn't quite come off. 284 00:13:43,944 --> 00:13:45,904 Speaker 3: Maybe Agnew has seen straight through it. 285 00:13:46,224 --> 00:13:49,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's an interesting kind of take 286 00:13:49,184 --> 00:13:51,664 Speaker 1: on seeing behind the curtain of a celebrity interview in 287 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:54,184 Speaker 1: this way for people. But I also just wish that 288 00:13:54,264 --> 00:13:56,104 Speaker 1: there was a world where Sydney, to me, would just 289 00:13:56,104 --> 00:13:58,184 Speaker 1: sit down and say exactly what she thinks. But I 290 00:13:58,224 --> 00:14:00,784 Speaker 1: know she thinks that she would get canceled. But even 291 00:14:00,824 --> 00:14:03,744 Speaker 1: like the question about her using her sexuality and her 292 00:14:03,784 --> 00:14:06,424 Speaker 1: saying it's empowering and it's so funny because as that 293 00:14:06,624 --> 00:14:09,064 Speaker 1: was coming up, I was thinking of emeritor because that's 294 00:14:09,104 --> 00:14:12,544 Speaker 1: usually her kind of vibe that she talks about in interviews, 295 00:14:12,584 --> 00:14:15,424 Speaker 1: and then her name quickly appeared, and you just saw 296 00:14:15,424 --> 00:14:18,344 Speaker 1: Sydney kind of really brush that off instead of saying like, well, yeah, 297 00:14:18,344 --> 00:14:20,504 Speaker 1: I know I'm a young, hot blonde woman and so 298 00:14:20,544 --> 00:14:22,304 Speaker 1: I'm using that to make money. Like, to me, that 299 00:14:22,344 --> 00:14:24,864 Speaker 1: would be more refreshing than them kind of wrapping it 300 00:14:24,944 --> 00:14:27,144 Speaker 1: up in a bowl and like of empowerment. I think 301 00:14:27,224 --> 00:14:29,264 Speaker 1: she's the kind of person who likes to do like 302 00:14:29,304 --> 00:14:32,264 Speaker 1: a very provocative ad or a movie or a press tour, 303 00:14:32,744 --> 00:14:34,544 Speaker 1: but then jump out of the fray. It's like she 304 00:14:34,624 --> 00:14:37,184 Speaker 1: throws a firework into a room and then jumps out. 305 00:14:37,544 --> 00:14:40,184 Speaker 1: And there's a certain amount of protection for her because 306 00:14:40,184 --> 00:14:42,704 Speaker 1: then she gets the publicity and the headlines, but she 307 00:14:42,824 --> 00:14:44,944 Speaker 1: doesn't comment on it or feed into it. So she's 308 00:14:45,024 --> 00:14:47,784 Speaker 1: kind of removed from the situation. And that's how she 309 00:14:47,824 --> 00:14:50,064 Speaker 1: walks around a lot of things, very unscathed. I think. 310 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:52,624 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean she hasn't made a comment about 311 00:14:52,664 --> 00:14:53,464 Speaker 3: American Eagle. 312 00:14:53,664 --> 00:14:55,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, all those AI videos you guys see of her 313 00:14:55,824 --> 00:14:58,504 Speaker 1: are just not real. Yeah, Like the apology videos aren't real. 314 00:14:58,664 --> 00:15:01,304 Speaker 3: She has not made a statement on that. There's been 315 00:15:01,424 --> 00:15:04,624 Speaker 3: enough news out there about that. But yeah, this particular 316 00:15:05,024 --> 00:15:08,024 Speaker 3: profile piece was really interesting. But it's not the first 317 00:15:08,064 --> 00:15:11,744 Speaker 3: time that celebs have kind of been not necessarily had 318 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:16,104 Speaker 3: the rugg pulled out from underneath them, but had something 319 00:15:16,664 --> 00:15:18,944 Speaker 3: unseemly come out in a profile piece. 320 00:15:19,304 --> 00:15:22,104 Speaker 1: Yes, and it's also interesting that the interviewer of the 321 00:15:22,144 --> 00:15:25,024 Speaker 1: Sydney Swimmy piece Mega and Agnew is the same journalist 322 00:15:25,064 --> 00:15:28,584 Speaker 1: who wrote that Ballerina Farm piece that went viral over 323 00:15:28,624 --> 00:15:30,544 Speaker 1: a year ago Jim with that. So she was the 324 00:15:30,784 --> 00:15:33,584 Speaker 1: journalist who went to If you're not across Ballerina Farm, 325 00:15:33,624 --> 00:15:36,744 Speaker 1: it's the intern social name for Hannah Nielman, who has 326 00:15:36,864 --> 00:15:40,144 Speaker 1: made a huge following of living this very kind of 327 00:15:40,184 --> 00:15:43,464 Speaker 1: like tradwife lifestyle with her husband and they're what ten 328 00:15:43,584 --> 00:15:46,464 Speaker 1: kids now, Yeah, on this beautiful picturesque farm and she 329 00:15:46,504 --> 00:15:48,904 Speaker 1: gave up her life as a ballerina, and she'd only 330 00:15:49,024 --> 00:15:52,264 Speaker 1: had like really frothy pieces done about her until this moment. 331 00:15:52,344 --> 00:15:54,624 Speaker 1: And Miga Agnew went to the farm, spent a few 332 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:58,104 Speaker 1: days there and wrote this piece that went completely viral 333 00:15:58,184 --> 00:16:00,984 Speaker 1: because she wrote it as a journalist, as she saw 334 00:16:01,024 --> 00:16:02,984 Speaker 1: it like she wrote about like Hannah doing more work 335 00:16:03,024 --> 00:16:05,184 Speaker 1: than her husband. She wrote about her having to be 336 00:16:05,344 --> 00:16:08,184 Speaker 1: in bed for days because of exhaustion. She wrote about 337 00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:10,744 Speaker 1: a moment where her husband left the room, and Hannah 338 00:16:10,744 --> 00:16:13,104 Speaker 1: talked about the one time she got to have an 339 00:16:13,104 --> 00:16:15,824 Speaker 1: epitural during childbirth and it's because her husband wasn't there, 340 00:16:16,144 --> 00:16:18,504 Speaker 1: and all these things, and it blew up, and Hannah 341 00:16:18,544 --> 00:16:20,904 Speaker 1: put out a statement saying that she felt the journalist 342 00:16:20,984 --> 00:16:23,344 Speaker 1: had come in with a really mean tone and it 343 00:16:23,424 --> 00:16:26,304 Speaker 1: was untrue. And so it sort of was interesting that 344 00:16:26,424 --> 00:16:28,584 Speaker 1: Megan Agnew is one of those journalists who can sort 345 00:16:28,624 --> 00:16:31,504 Speaker 1: of like it's like almost the same thread between this 346 00:16:31,544 --> 00:16:34,104 Speaker 1: woman living on a farm and Sidney Sweeney in Hollywood 347 00:16:34,904 --> 00:16:35,944 Speaker 1: projecting an image. 348 00:16:36,024 --> 00:16:37,944 Speaker 3: And I don't know, I'd have to read more of 349 00:16:37,984 --> 00:16:41,584 Speaker 3: her pieces, but I think sometimes there is a case 350 00:16:41,624 --> 00:16:44,744 Speaker 3: where journalists do go in with a certain idea in mind, 351 00:16:44,824 --> 00:16:47,944 Speaker 3: and maybe there is that mean girl angle with the 352 00:16:47,984 --> 00:16:52,104 Speaker 3: Ballerina farms stuff. I think because she's had so much 353 00:16:52,824 --> 00:16:56,064 Speaker 3: positive feedback and she kind of lives in her little 354 00:16:56,104 --> 00:16:59,704 Speaker 3: Mormon bubble and gets a lot of that positive feedback, 355 00:16:59,744 --> 00:17:02,904 Speaker 3: she probably wasn't quite expecting the backlash that she got 356 00:17:03,104 --> 00:17:07,184 Speaker 3: from this, And I think for her, she's not a 357 00:17:07,224 --> 00:17:09,704 Speaker 3: celebrity in a traditional way like Sidney Sweeney is. 358 00:17:09,744 --> 00:17:13,664 Speaker 2: She is a an influencer, TikToker. So maybe she doesn't. 359 00:17:13,504 --> 00:17:16,864 Speaker 3: Understand that not all the journalists are there to give 360 00:17:16,944 --> 00:17:20,904 Speaker 3: you like puff pieces. Like she probably didn't think that 361 00:17:20,904 --> 00:17:23,624 Speaker 3: that's the way this interview was going to go, or. 362 00:17:23,544 --> 00:17:25,984 Speaker 1: That if she talks like in a cozy way away 363 00:17:25,984 --> 00:17:27,944 Speaker 1: from her husband, that would go into the article. 364 00:17:28,264 --> 00:17:29,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is the thing. 365 00:17:29,784 --> 00:17:34,144 Speaker 3: They observe things that are unsaid, you know, Megan observes 366 00:17:34,264 --> 00:17:38,944 Speaker 3: what is going on around her and writing it down. Look, 367 00:17:38,944 --> 00:17:41,904 Speaker 3: we've talked about celeb profile pieces before and how they 368 00:17:41,944 --> 00:17:44,864 Speaker 3: can be a bit interesting. One of the ones that 369 00:17:44,944 --> 00:17:47,984 Speaker 3: I think about, which is quite old, it's back from 370 00:17:48,064 --> 00:17:52,304 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. It's actually an interview with Miles Teller in 371 00:17:52,584 --> 00:17:55,904 Speaker 3: Esquire in twenty fifteen by another female journalist and Appeal, 372 00:17:56,544 --> 00:17:59,544 Speaker 3: and basically the whole article is about how much of 373 00:17:59,544 --> 00:18:03,584 Speaker 3: a dick he is, and she literally says he is 374 00:18:03,704 --> 00:18:06,304 Speaker 3: kind of a dick. That is a direct quote from 375 00:18:06,304 --> 00:18:09,224 Speaker 3: the article. Again, this is like ten years ago now, 376 00:18:09,384 --> 00:18:11,344 Speaker 3: so there's definitely been changed. 377 00:18:11,584 --> 00:18:13,024 Speaker 2: One of the opening. 378 00:18:12,584 --> 00:18:17,144 Speaker 3: Lines of the article is Anna is trying to sort 379 00:18:17,184 --> 00:18:20,064 Speaker 3: of create a rapport and talking about how a coupe 380 00:18:20,144 --> 00:18:24,064 Speaker 3: was modeled off Marie Antoinette's boobs, like that whole story, 381 00:18:24,504 --> 00:18:28,344 Speaker 3: and then he says a highball glass is modeled after 382 00:18:28,424 --> 00:18:30,944 Speaker 3: his cock and then tells the same thing to the 383 00:18:30,984 --> 00:18:35,704 Speaker 3: waitress when she walks over. So basically this very like machismo, 384 00:18:36,544 --> 00:18:39,824 Speaker 3: and the whole article is like that, and she kind 385 00:18:39,864 --> 00:18:42,944 Speaker 3: of ends it with He's kind of got a good catalog. 386 00:18:43,624 --> 00:18:46,464 Speaker 3: He thinks very highly of himself. He says he doesn't 387 00:18:46,464 --> 00:18:48,344 Speaker 3: care about what people think of him, but the way 388 00:18:48,344 --> 00:18:50,144 Speaker 3: that he's coming across, he kind of does care about 389 00:18:50,144 --> 00:18:53,184 Speaker 3: what people think of him, and she ends it with, 390 00:18:53,824 --> 00:18:55,624 Speaker 3: he has to be kind of a dick about it. 391 00:18:55,784 --> 00:18:57,624 Speaker 3: How can you not like that? It's almost like she 392 00:18:57,744 --> 00:18:59,504 Speaker 3: enjoys that he is a dick. 393 00:18:59,864 --> 00:19:02,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think after he blew up with top Gun Maverick, 394 00:19:02,184 --> 00:19:04,304 Speaker 1: he had to rain in his personality a little bit 395 00:19:04,384 --> 00:19:09,064 Speaker 1: and kind of be the goofy golden boy publicly at least. Actually, 396 00:19:09,104 --> 00:19:10,824 Speaker 1: I think what the journalist is saying that one is 397 00:19:10,824 --> 00:19:12,464 Speaker 1: like kind of like he's a dick, but that's okay, 398 00:19:12,544 --> 00:19:14,144 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of with the same mindset, like, I 399 00:19:14,184 --> 00:19:17,224 Speaker 1: don't mind it a celebrity. Obviously, interviewing a hostile person 400 00:19:17,264 --> 00:19:18,864 Speaker 1: is on a great situation. But if they're giving you 401 00:19:18,904 --> 00:19:21,984 Speaker 1: good content and they're giving you good soundbites, that's almost 402 00:19:22,024 --> 00:19:24,424 Speaker 1: better than interviewing someone who's a bit lovely but it's 403 00:19:24,464 --> 00:19:27,224 Speaker 1: just like dead behind the eyes and gives you nothing. 404 00:19:27,624 --> 00:19:29,784 Speaker 2: Well, it's almost like he knows he is a dick, 405 00:19:29,824 --> 00:19:30,384 Speaker 2: and it's. 406 00:19:30,224 --> 00:19:33,064 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I get that, especially because he went from 407 00:19:33,104 --> 00:19:35,184 Speaker 1: being like the goofy sye Kit character a little bit 408 00:19:35,224 --> 00:19:37,304 Speaker 1: to being a heartthrob, and I think that'll mean that'll 409 00:19:37,344 --> 00:19:38,104 Speaker 1: just well. 410 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:40,184 Speaker 3: In the article which she talks about that, he's like, oh, 411 00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:42,624 Speaker 3: I did pretty well back at school, Like I think 412 00:19:42,664 --> 00:19:43,784 Speaker 3: he thinks pretty highly. 413 00:19:44,104 --> 00:19:46,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have to be that industry to 414 00:19:46,744 --> 00:19:48,824 Speaker 1: be honest, Like, yeah, very so often a little unicorn 415 00:19:48,904 --> 00:19:50,904 Speaker 1: comes along of a celebrity where they're just like so 416 00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:53,424 Speaker 1: beautiful and genuine and bubbly, But that's like one in 417 00:19:53,464 --> 00:19:53,904 Speaker 1: a million. 418 00:19:54,144 --> 00:19:56,024 Speaker 2: I actually disagree with you. 419 00:19:56,064 --> 00:19:58,384 Speaker 3: I think the most insecure people on the planet are 420 00:19:58,704 --> 00:20:00,224 Speaker 3: probably celebrities and models. 421 00:20:00,784 --> 00:20:02,664 Speaker 1: Oh no, I think they have a level of security, 422 00:20:02,664 --> 00:20:05,504 Speaker 1: but also it's balanced with to put yourself in a room, 423 00:20:05,544 --> 00:20:07,344 Speaker 1: and to put yourself in an industry and to succeed, 424 00:20:07,384 --> 00:20:08,984 Speaker 1: you also have to have like some sort of a 425 00:20:09,064 --> 00:20:11,344 Speaker 1: fantasy I think about yourself, about who you are and 426 00:20:11,384 --> 00:20:14,024 Speaker 1: what you're you know, doing, and even if you don't 427 00:20:14,064 --> 00:20:15,824 Speaker 1: believe it yourself, you have to put it out there 428 00:20:15,824 --> 00:20:17,264 Speaker 1: in a way yea through it. 429 00:20:17,464 --> 00:20:17,904 Speaker 2: Yeah. 430 00:20:18,224 --> 00:20:20,264 Speaker 1: But I mean the reason they're acting like that is 431 00:20:20,304 --> 00:20:22,744 Speaker 1: because also they're they're worried someone's going to find out. 432 00:20:23,024 --> 00:20:25,384 Speaker 3: I don't think they are confident. I think they pretend 433 00:20:25,424 --> 00:20:30,744 Speaker 3: they're confident, but I think they're deeply, deeply insecure. And 434 00:20:30,984 --> 00:20:34,344 Speaker 3: maybe that is part of Sydney Swaeney's thing. Maybe it 435 00:20:34,464 --> 00:20:39,504 Speaker 3: is partly an insecurity thing and just trying to protect herself. 436 00:20:39,784 --> 00:20:42,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't anything or I think she just finds 437 00:20:42,424 --> 00:20:45,024 Speaker 1: the public opinion of her necessary but like a bothersome 438 00:20:45,064 --> 00:20:47,504 Speaker 1: thing that she has to deal with, like like, you know, 439 00:20:47,584 --> 00:20:49,664 Speaker 1: I'm making this project, people saying this about me, Like oh, 440 00:20:49,744 --> 00:20:51,744 Speaker 1: like you know, it's such a kind of because I 441 00:20:51,784 --> 00:20:53,384 Speaker 1: think she's in there to make a business and then 442 00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:55,624 Speaker 1: so she gets angry when people call her out on that. 443 00:20:55,664 --> 00:20:57,344 Speaker 1: And then you have some artists who are there to 444 00:20:57,424 --> 00:21:00,064 Speaker 1: like make art and then they get angry when the 445 00:21:00,144 --> 00:21:02,184 Speaker 1: headlines are not the right way that they think they 446 00:21:02,224 --> 00:21:05,624 Speaker 1: should be, which reminds me of a profile that Bradley 447 00:21:05,624 --> 00:21:07,464 Speaker 1: Cooper did for The New York Times many years ago. 448 00:21:07,464 --> 00:21:08,704 Speaker 1: I don't know if you read this at the time, 449 00:21:08,744 --> 00:21:09,944 Speaker 1: but like it was. 450 00:21:10,024 --> 00:21:11,184 Speaker 2: It didn't read it at the time, but I did 451 00:21:11,224 --> 00:21:11,824 Speaker 2: read it today. 452 00:21:12,224 --> 00:21:13,544 Speaker 1: It came out in the same time as that big 453 00:21:13,544 --> 00:21:15,944 Speaker 1: awards push for a star is born, and so it's 454 00:21:15,944 --> 00:21:17,944 Speaker 1: this big profile the New York Times, which for any 455 00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:20,904 Speaker 1: actor on that awards circuit, especially pushing for an oscar, 456 00:21:21,304 --> 00:21:25,424 Speaker 1: having a glowing, interesting profile in the New York Times 457 00:21:25,464 --> 00:21:29,304 Speaker 1: that makes like critics and moviegoers and industry think of 458 00:21:29,304 --> 00:21:32,104 Speaker 1: them differently can be like a really big turning point 459 00:21:32,144 --> 00:21:35,144 Speaker 1: in their career in their campaign for the awards. This 460 00:21:35,224 --> 00:21:38,504 Speaker 1: particular profile was written by Taffy Brodessa Akner, who is 461 00:21:38,544 --> 00:21:41,544 Speaker 1: an incredible profile writer no one felt like some of 462 00:21:41,584 --> 00:21:43,864 Speaker 1: the best celebrity interviews, but also no one for like 463 00:21:43,944 --> 00:21:46,344 Speaker 1: just going into like concerts and celebrity things and just 464 00:21:46,384 --> 00:21:49,264 Speaker 1: writing what she sees. And the title of this profile 465 00:21:49,424 --> 00:21:52,384 Speaker 1: was Bradley Cooper is not into this profile, And the 466 00:21:52,384 --> 00:21:54,064 Speaker 1: more you read it the more you can see what 467 00:21:54,224 --> 00:21:55,824 Speaker 1: the thing is like. He starts off by saying at 468 00:21:55,864 --> 00:21:58,384 Speaker 1: the top that after she starts off with all her questions, 469 00:21:58,384 --> 00:21:59,944 Speaker 1: and you can tell that she's really prepped and she's 470 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:03,144 Speaker 1: got these interesting questions. And he sees himself as a 471 00:22:03,224 --> 00:22:06,504 Speaker 1: very artistic filmmaker, which I guess is fair enough. You 472 00:22:06,544 --> 00:22:08,504 Speaker 1: can see by reading that her questions are to meet 473 00:22:08,584 --> 00:22:11,264 Speaker 1: him there. She's got these really artistics questions. She's not 474 00:22:11,424 --> 00:22:14,184 Speaker 1: delving too deeply into his personal life, although that comes later, 475 00:22:14,504 --> 00:22:16,664 Speaker 1: and he kind of stops her and is like, I'm 476 00:22:16,704 --> 00:22:18,984 Speaker 1: sure your questions are great, and you're very lovely and 477 00:22:19,224 --> 00:22:21,064 Speaker 1: you seem very nice, but I'm not going to answer 478 00:22:21,064 --> 00:22:23,704 Speaker 1: them pretty much, And then the whole profile is like 479 00:22:23,744 --> 00:22:26,144 Speaker 1: this this cat and mouse game of her trying to 480 00:22:26,184 --> 00:22:28,864 Speaker 1: get stuff out about his life and his breakups in 481 00:22:28,904 --> 00:22:30,784 Speaker 1: his career and him just saying like, I don't think 482 00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:32,624 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I'm not going to give you that all 483 00:22:32,664 --> 00:22:33,184 Speaker 1: the way through. 484 00:22:33,704 --> 00:22:36,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would really pave me. Like what are you 485 00:22:36,824 --> 00:22:37,584 Speaker 2: supposed to do with that? 486 00:22:37,944 --> 00:22:39,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you write a thing saying Bradley Cooper didn't 487 00:22:39,944 --> 00:22:41,384 Speaker 1: want to be here, and then you write a whole 488 00:22:41,904 --> 00:22:44,744 Speaker 1: two thousand word essay around how he didn't, which again 489 00:22:44,824 --> 00:22:47,024 Speaker 1: is kind of also interesting in itself, like, Yeah, you've 490 00:22:47,064 --> 00:22:49,344 Speaker 1: got this man who is chasing fame in such an 491 00:22:49,384 --> 00:22:52,064 Speaker 1: intense way, like he was the one who with a 492 00:22:52,064 --> 00:22:55,384 Speaker 1: star is born, who was really fueling the awards campaign 493 00:22:55,424 --> 00:22:59,024 Speaker 1: and the movie campaign, and the amount of money that 494 00:22:59,064 --> 00:23:01,984 Speaker 1: he himself put into that campaign is huge. And then 495 00:23:02,024 --> 00:23:03,744 Speaker 1: he kind of lands the thing that could be the 496 00:23:03,784 --> 00:23:07,464 Speaker 1: turning point, and his strategy is to act like he 497 00:23:07,704 --> 00:23:09,584 Speaker 1: is the nice guy who's been forced to be there 498 00:23:09,584 --> 00:23:11,904 Speaker 1: and doesn't want to be there. And in doing that, 499 00:23:11,984 --> 00:23:15,384 Speaker 1: I think it was when people started ridiculing him for wanting, 500 00:23:15,504 --> 00:23:17,624 Speaker 1: you know, because then this piece spawned all these other 501 00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:20,264 Speaker 1: pieces of Bradley Cooper is so desperate for an oscar 502 00:23:20,664 --> 00:23:22,464 Speaker 1: and the other thing she writes abound in the article, 503 00:23:22,864 --> 00:23:25,424 Speaker 1: which kind of made me think of how the joermalist 504 00:23:25,424 --> 00:23:27,144 Speaker 1: in the Sydneys when one sort of kept saying like 505 00:23:27,344 --> 00:23:29,584 Speaker 1: she kept looking over to her publiciser, she kept looking down, 506 00:23:29,704 --> 00:23:33,304 Speaker 1: she kept doing this. She describes Bradley Cooper like continuously 507 00:23:33,344 --> 00:23:35,544 Speaker 1: closing his eyes to be able to think better all 508 00:23:35,544 --> 00:23:38,864 Speaker 1: throughout the interview, and unfortunately that is something he's still 509 00:23:38,904 --> 00:23:40,624 Speaker 1: mocked for today. Yeah. 510 00:23:41,024 --> 00:23:43,744 Speaker 3: I mean I think sometimes when people go from being 511 00:23:44,264 --> 00:23:47,024 Speaker 3: maybe you know, maybe like the Hangover where it's funny 512 00:23:47,064 --> 00:23:51,664 Speaker 3: to an actor, they again insecure about that, so feel 513 00:23:51,664 --> 00:23:53,984 Speaker 3: like maybe they need to present that a little bit 514 00:23:54,024 --> 00:23:54,944 Speaker 3: more and I need. 515 00:23:54,784 --> 00:23:55,344 Speaker 2: To be serious. 516 00:23:55,464 --> 00:23:57,584 Speaker 3: But it's really interesting to me that he keeps pushing 517 00:23:57,584 --> 00:24:01,264 Speaker 3: those things away when that's what you wanted. 518 00:24:01,384 --> 00:24:03,224 Speaker 2: It's an interesting technique. Bradley. 519 00:24:03,664 --> 00:24:06,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he'd signed up. He'd started the game 520 00:24:06,104 --> 00:24:08,184 Speaker 1: by saying like, I'm going to give you this amount 521 00:24:08,224 --> 00:24:10,744 Speaker 1: of coverage on me to like help my ward show. 522 00:24:10,784 --> 00:24:11,984 Speaker 1: But when he got in the room and it was 523 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:13,504 Speaker 1: time for him to kind of play his end of 524 00:24:13,544 --> 00:24:15,344 Speaker 1: the bargain, he backed out. 525 00:24:15,464 --> 00:24:16,904 Speaker 2: Maybe he just seed it a little nap. 526 00:24:17,304 --> 00:24:19,904 Speaker 1: Oh my god, speaking of a nap. The other Taffy 527 00:24:19,904 --> 00:24:23,064 Speaker 1: brede Akna profile that I love and if you've seen this, 528 00:24:23,384 --> 00:24:26,504 Speaker 1: when she interviewed Nicki Minaj and Nikimash keeps falling asleep 529 00:24:26,944 --> 00:24:29,184 Speaker 1: all the way through the interview and she ends up 530 00:24:29,184 --> 00:24:31,544 Speaker 1: like having to write like, oh, she's fallen asleep again. 531 00:24:31,544 --> 00:24:32,984 Speaker 1: Oh she's gone off again. It's not enough to get 532 00:24:32,984 --> 00:24:34,744 Speaker 1: into rome sleep, but she's gone anyway. If she was 533 00:24:34,784 --> 00:24:37,464 Speaker 1: awake these are the questions I'd ask her. And it 534 00:24:37,584 --> 00:24:40,504 Speaker 1: is so funny. And it was a little unfortunate that 535 00:24:40,584 --> 00:24:43,024 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj's team, I believe, tried to get it taken down, 536 00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:45,344 Speaker 1: which made people wanted to read it even more. But 537 00:24:45,424 --> 00:24:47,464 Speaker 1: I think if you fall asleep four times in a 538 00:24:47,464 --> 00:24:49,704 Speaker 1: profile piece, even like I'm sure the girl was tired, 539 00:24:49,704 --> 00:24:51,824 Speaker 1: like she does a lot, but that's going to make 540 00:24:51,864 --> 00:24:52,744 Speaker 1: it into the interview. 541 00:24:53,064 --> 00:24:55,064 Speaker 2: How do you she would have had like a sleeping 542 00:24:55,064 --> 00:24:55,784 Speaker 2: tablet or something. 543 00:24:55,864 --> 00:24:58,024 Speaker 1: I wander, Yeah, I wonder if she was coming off 544 00:24:58,024 --> 00:25:00,424 Speaker 1: like a big work night or a bender or something she. 545 00:25:00,384 --> 00:25:02,104 Speaker 2: Would have I mean, I understand when you're like when 546 00:25:02,104 --> 00:25:03,144 Speaker 2: you're really exhausted. 547 00:25:03,304 --> 00:25:05,784 Speaker 3: I had newborns. I've had periods where I have like 548 00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:09,744 Speaker 3: fallen asleep. I've seen people like asleep in the food court. 549 00:25:10,784 --> 00:25:12,264 Speaker 3: Some people can just fall asleep anywhere. 550 00:25:12,304 --> 00:25:14,784 Speaker 1: My life is tiring. Look again, no shade to Nicki Minaj. 551 00:25:14,824 --> 00:25:16,784 Speaker 1: I actually thought Taffy was like quite nice about it. 552 00:25:16,824 --> 00:25:18,464 Speaker 1: In her keys, like a few times she was a 553 00:25:18,464 --> 00:25:20,464 Speaker 1: bit a bit few times she was a bit like, oh, 554 00:25:20,584 --> 00:25:22,464 Speaker 1: she's fallen asleeping in but she's also like, well, if 555 00:25:22,464 --> 00:25:23,904 Speaker 1: she was awake, this is what I would have asked 556 00:25:23,904 --> 00:25:26,624 Speaker 1: her finishing off I think with the celebrity profile that 557 00:25:26,664 --> 00:25:29,224 Speaker 1: comes to my mind first of all, when anyone talks 558 00:25:29,264 --> 00:25:33,464 Speaker 1: about a celebrity profile writer completely skewing the talent and 559 00:25:33,504 --> 00:25:35,984 Speaker 1: hanging them out to dry to an extent, is the 560 00:25:36,024 --> 00:25:37,624 Speaker 1: cut profile on Megan Markle. 561 00:25:37,744 --> 00:25:40,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just want to say, you're saying skewing 562 00:25:40,944 --> 00:25:44,064 Speaker 3: like a kebab skew, not skewing like. 563 00:25:44,184 --> 00:25:47,224 Speaker 1: Nos in like basically like yeah, like driving a red 564 00:25:47,264 --> 00:25:49,264 Speaker 1: hot poker through them and putting them through a fire 565 00:25:50,264 --> 00:25:51,784 Speaker 1: yeap or a spit ROAs. 566 00:25:51,664 --> 00:25:52,264 Speaker 2: To some sort. 567 00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:55,664 Speaker 3: That is where I'm going, Okay, Yes, And that's kind 568 00:25:55,704 --> 00:25:59,464 Speaker 3: of one of the most famous ones. And every single 569 00:25:59,464 --> 00:26:01,864 Speaker 3: time we talk about Mega Markle, we get a lot 570 00:26:01,864 --> 00:26:03,624 Speaker 3: of comments about. 571 00:26:03,544 --> 00:26:05,144 Speaker 2: Why they hate, why they hate, why they hate. 572 00:26:05,224 --> 00:26:08,024 Speaker 3: I mean, it's out there, there are a lot of 573 00:26:08,064 --> 00:26:08,944 Speaker 3: these articles. 574 00:26:09,384 --> 00:26:12,064 Speaker 1: It's interesting with this article though, because in my mind, like, 575 00:26:12,224 --> 00:26:16,184 Speaker 1: obviously she comes off terribly in it, but also part 576 00:26:16,224 --> 00:26:18,584 Speaker 1: of me doesn't like hate her or judge her for 577 00:26:18,624 --> 00:26:20,864 Speaker 1: it because I feel like, even though she's someone who 578 00:26:20,944 --> 00:26:22,944 Speaker 1: has been in the public life for so long, just 579 00:26:23,024 --> 00:26:26,664 Speaker 1: didn't understand the process that she was a part of 580 00:26:27,344 --> 00:26:29,584 Speaker 1: and I don't know what have behind the scenes, but 581 00:26:29,704 --> 00:26:31,744 Speaker 1: I'm assuming, like what happened, if you haven't read it, 582 00:26:31,744 --> 00:26:33,544 Speaker 1: is that the cart Center journalists like spend a day 583 00:26:33,544 --> 00:26:37,184 Speaker 1: with her, and Megan, of course, was her lovely, beautiful, 584 00:26:37,544 --> 00:26:40,784 Speaker 1: flowery self, talking all these kind of big platitudes, and yeah, 585 00:26:40,824 --> 00:26:43,304 Speaker 1: she said a few unfortunate things like comparing herself to 586 00:26:43,384 --> 00:26:45,784 Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela and her marriage and all those sorts of things. 587 00:26:46,144 --> 00:26:49,184 Speaker 1: But the thing is those are quotes, So that's almost 588 00:26:49,264 --> 00:26:50,784 Speaker 1: like one thing. Like you say a quote, it goes 589 00:26:50,784 --> 00:26:52,784 Speaker 1: out to the world. It doesn't take a genius to 590 00:26:52,824 --> 00:26:55,704 Speaker 1: figure out that process. The bit in this article that 591 00:26:55,784 --> 00:26:59,464 Speaker 1: I think destroyed Megan's public profile, a little bit that 592 00:26:59,504 --> 00:27:02,824 Speaker 1: she maybe didn't see coming, is the journalist writing down 593 00:27:02,864 --> 00:27:05,464 Speaker 1: a description of how she was acting behind the scenes. 594 00:27:05,864 --> 00:27:09,104 Speaker 1: So she says to the journalist, oh, I'm going to 595 00:27:09,144 --> 00:27:11,464 Speaker 1: make these sounds, okay, And then she makes these sounds, 596 00:27:11,464 --> 00:27:13,664 Speaker 1: like guttural sounds, and then she leaned over to the 597 00:27:13,744 --> 00:27:15,464 Speaker 1: journalists and she's like, so you should write then the 598 00:27:15,544 --> 00:27:17,984 Speaker 1: article and describe it as if I'm really making these 599 00:27:18,024 --> 00:27:20,424 Speaker 1: deep sounds and I'm moving back and forth. And of 600 00:27:20,464 --> 00:27:22,824 Speaker 1: course the journalist wrote that out exactly what she did, 601 00:27:23,304 --> 00:27:25,864 Speaker 1: and that makes her look so bad because it made 602 00:27:25,904 --> 00:27:29,104 Speaker 1: her look like she was making up this big story 603 00:27:29,144 --> 00:27:31,584 Speaker 1: of herself and this vibe and she was almost like 604 00:27:32,464 --> 00:27:34,304 Speaker 1: the strings yeah behind the scene. 605 00:27:34,504 --> 00:27:35,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just sorry. 606 00:27:35,264 --> 00:27:38,304 Speaker 3: I got this picture in Parks and Rec where Leslie 607 00:27:38,304 --> 00:27:39,864 Speaker 3: Nope is always. 608 00:27:39,864 --> 00:27:42,344 Speaker 2: With the journalists just like, okay, what about this for 609 00:27:42,344 --> 00:27:44,184 Speaker 2: a headline Parks and Rec. 610 00:27:44,544 --> 00:27:48,224 Speaker 3: No, no nod, Just like it just that springs to mind, yeah, 611 00:27:48,384 --> 00:27:51,424 Speaker 3: straight away, like really trying to control the narrative, which 612 00:27:51,464 --> 00:27:53,224 Speaker 3: is you know, exsane and exactly. 613 00:27:53,264 --> 00:27:55,944 Speaker 1: It's the one thing that completely pulls the authenticity from 614 00:27:55,984 --> 00:27:59,424 Speaker 1: the room, and it just makes you look so much 615 00:27:59,464 --> 00:28:01,544 Speaker 1: worse than if you'd been a little bit boring, or 616 00:28:01,544 --> 00:28:02,824 Speaker 1: if you'd been like a bit of a jerk like 617 00:28:02,824 --> 00:28:04,864 Speaker 1: a Miles Teller, or if you'd been like Bradley Creeper 618 00:28:04,864 --> 00:28:06,224 Speaker 1: and just smiling and being like, I'm not going to 619 00:28:06,304 --> 00:28:10,264 Speaker 1: answer that. Like manufacturing your own drama within the article 620 00:28:10,424 --> 00:28:13,504 Speaker 1: for it's even happened is a real choice. So that 621 00:28:13,544 --> 00:28:16,584 Speaker 1: came out, and obviously the cut took their one swing. 622 00:28:16,624 --> 00:28:18,344 Speaker 1: They're like, we're going to write this piece and it 623 00:28:18,384 --> 00:28:20,424 Speaker 1: means that we'll always cut tires with Megan mark l 624 00:28:20,424 --> 00:28:22,944 Speaker 1: after this, but the traffic and the downloads and everything 625 00:28:22,944 --> 00:28:25,944 Speaker 1: will get will be so huge that it's almost worth 626 00:28:26,024 --> 00:28:27,624 Speaker 1: kind of severing that relationship. 627 00:28:27,904 --> 00:28:30,144 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it really is important to 628 00:28:30,224 --> 00:28:32,984 Speaker 3: take these profile pieces with a grain of salt because 629 00:28:32,984 --> 00:28:35,864 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, they are opinion pieces 630 00:28:36,224 --> 00:28:39,664 Speaker 3: by obviously by journalists who are entitled to their opinion. 631 00:28:40,104 --> 00:28:43,224 Speaker 3: But yeah, sometimes people do go in with an agenda, 632 00:28:43,824 --> 00:28:46,304 Speaker 3: you know, but we do get a different side of 633 00:28:46,344 --> 00:28:49,304 Speaker 3: them with these longer pieces that are in The Times 634 00:28:49,424 --> 00:28:53,424 Speaker 3: or Vanity Fair, these like longer profile pieces. It's kind 635 00:28:53,464 --> 00:28:55,184 Speaker 3: of trying to take a little bit of a look 636 00:28:55,664 --> 00:28:59,184 Speaker 3: behind the curtain. But it'll be really interesting to see 637 00:28:59,224 --> 00:29:01,744 Speaker 3: how this profile affects Sidney Sweeney. 638 00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:04,304 Speaker 2: She has not had a very good week. 639 00:29:04,464 --> 00:29:06,264 Speaker 1: No, she has it. But I almost think, like again, 640 00:29:06,304 --> 00:29:09,504 Speaker 1: the Sydney Sweeney school of pr is like just keep going, 641 00:29:09,544 --> 00:29:12,784 Speaker 1: like next headline, next project, Like none of this. I 642 00:29:12,784 --> 00:29:14,904 Speaker 1: don't know if there's anything that can come out about her, 643 00:29:15,304 --> 00:29:17,064 Speaker 1: or anything she can say or do that will get 644 00:29:17,184 --> 00:29:20,144 Speaker 1: rid of her kind of the core of her fan base, 645 00:29:20,424 --> 00:29:22,424 Speaker 1: because you've got the people who love her and obsessed 646 00:29:22,424 --> 00:29:23,624 Speaker 1: with her, and then you've got the people who are 647 00:29:23,624 --> 00:29:27,024 Speaker 1: just fascinated by everything about her, and once that attaches 648 00:29:27,064 --> 00:29:30,144 Speaker 1: itself to you, like that level of infamy, it's really hard, 649 00:29:30,184 --> 00:29:32,784 Speaker 1: I think, to like take that away from someone. So 650 00:29:32,984 --> 00:29:35,224 Speaker 1: I think she's just going to keep monetizing it, which 651 00:29:35,264 --> 00:29:36,864 Speaker 1: it sounds exactly what she wants. 652 00:29:37,064 --> 00:29:40,224 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think Trump commenting on the campaign may 653 00:29:40,264 --> 00:29:43,144 Speaker 3: have turned some people off though maybe. 654 00:29:42,744 --> 00:29:44,864 Speaker 1: But also this is the country that voted Trump in 655 00:29:45,024 --> 00:29:47,264 Speaker 1: so I feel like she's gone with the majority I know, 656 00:29:47,304 --> 00:29:47,904 Speaker 1: but I'm talking. 657 00:29:47,704 --> 00:29:50,384 Speaker 2: About like the rest of the world. Like, yeah, like 658 00:29:50,504 --> 00:29:52,704 Speaker 2: maybe some people will start getting nick from it. 659 00:29:52,864 --> 00:29:54,664 Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but the thing is, like then the 660 00:29:54,704 --> 00:29:56,704 Speaker 1: new season of Before It will come out, she'll sell 661 00:29:56,744 --> 00:29:59,264 Speaker 1: like the bubbles from her bath again. She'll do like 662 00:29:59,264 --> 00:30:01,624 Speaker 1: a big press tour. I just think, like, if you're 663 00:30:01,704 --> 00:30:05,664 Speaker 1: chasing headlines, not likability, it's almost sometimes an easier game 664 00:30:05,784 --> 00:30:07,944 Speaker 1: to win if you've already got that base love, which 665 00:30:07,944 --> 00:30:10,904 Speaker 1: I think she has. But yes, we'll see. 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