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Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Grace Ruefrey. This is Muma Ma's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Every four years, both the Democratic

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Speaker 2: National Convention the DNC and the Republican National Convention the

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Speaker 2: American politics. In July, former President Donald Trump was confirmed

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Speaker 2: as the Republican nominee at the RNC in his bid

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Speaker 2: last week's DNC, Kamala Harris and Tim Walls confirmed their

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Speaker 2: roles as nominees for president and Vice president. Today, we'll

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Speaker 2: dive into the history, impact, and inner workings of these conventions,

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Speaker 2: America electing its first ever female president. Before we catch

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Speaker 2: up on American politics, here's Claire Murphy with the latest

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Speaker 2: news headlines for Tuesday, August twenty seventh.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Grace, thousands of construction workers across Australia risk having

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Speaker 1: and rally in support of the embattled CFMEU. There are

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Speaker 1: Work Onmbudsman said if any employee fails to go to

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Speaker 1: process and democratic rights. The brother of an Australian aid

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Speaker 1: his refusal to communicate information to authorities. Jurov's arrest prompted

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Speaker 1: criticism from Elon Musk, who owns a platform formerly known

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire up Next. If elected, does Kamala Harris look

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Speaker 2: thirty two, the Democratic National Convention, or the DNC has

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Speaker 2: been a cornerstone of US political tradition. Delegates from every state,

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Speaker 3: What we stand for freedom, opportunity, compassion, dignity, fairness and

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Speaker 2: With speeches, pledges and celebrity appearances. What have we learned

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Speaker 5: So the conventions are the official mechanism by which parties

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Speaker 5: We all knew that Kamala Harris was going to be nominated.

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Speaker 2: On the convention's opening night, Joe Biden delivered a powerful

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Speaker 7: So I could.

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Speaker 8: Kamela was the very first decision I made when I

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Speaker 2: Amelia, How important is it for Joe Biden to attend

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Speaker 5: Nothing about this is normal. It's not normal for a

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Speaker 6: It hasn't been done for decades.

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Speaker 2: In the past. How has the DNC impacted the campaigns

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Speaker 5: I think the most important element of the conventions is

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Speaker 5: So the thing that everyone was looking for from this

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Speaker 5: She was not a very high profile vice president. By

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton both attended the DNC to

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Speaker 1: When the Biden Harris ticket Wont you posted this? He said,

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Speaker 3: Based on my experience on the show VIEP And I'm

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Speaker 3: that says Madam President is no longer.

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Speaker 2: Harris's presidential campaign ad is to Beyonce's song Freedom from

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Speaker 2: and director Mindy Kayling hosted Night three, talking about bonding

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Speaker 2: Tony Goldwin, the stars of American political thriller series Scandal,

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Speaker 1: I know that I am the one standing on this stage,

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Speaker 1: You are the messengers, You are the fixers. Dare I

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Speaker 4: You are the Olivia Popes, You are the superheroes.

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Speaker 2: Other profile attendees were Spike Lee, Lil John, Eva Longoria,

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is more than ready for this moment. She

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Speaker 2: There were a lot of celebrities at the DNC.

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Speaker 2: Is celebrity endorsement and attendance ramping up each year.

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Speaker 5: I actually think that the celebrity endorsements have gone up

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Speaker 5: So if I can track back to two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 5: when Barack Obama was first running, that was really the

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Speaker 5: a list of celebrities who endorsed Barack Obama has literally

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Speaker 5: that convention in two thousand and eight was very star studded.

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Speaker 5: Then in twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton decided to capitalize on

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Speaker 5: There's clearly a lot of excitement, particularly in Hollywood around

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris's historic candidacy, first Asian American woman, first Black

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Speaker 6: So Hollywood loves the historic nature of her.

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Speaker 5: Candidacy, but they had to be very careful not to

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Speaker 6: So I was.

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Speaker 5: Interested to note that on the last night of the convention,

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Speaker 5: She didn't show up. In the end, there was also

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Speaker 6: To work for you, the American people.

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Speaker 2: Back in July, at the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: This year, I think the contrast was even more stark

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Speaker 5: In fact, invoked the specter of World War III if

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Speaker 2: There was some speeches, a lot of speeches at the

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Speaker 5: So I was actually interested in the timing of Joe

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Speaker 5: So the R and C they mentioned Kamala here and there,

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Speaker 5: Of treating him like a bit of a joke. I

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Speaker 5: He's just out for himself. Was a big message this year.

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Speaker 5: There's one notable exception. Barack Obama's speech did make what

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Speaker 2: Abortion and contraceptives for an important topic across the DNC,

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Speaker 7: Because of Donald Trump, he and his allies would limit

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Speaker 2: The overturning of Roe v. Wade by the Supreme Court

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Speaker 8: First time I was ever told you have options. Kamala

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Speaker 5: So while she cannot codify a national right to abortion,

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Speaker 6: And this can be set through the mail.

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Speaker 5: So in all the swing states right now, Harris has

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Speaker 5: momentum is certainly on Harris's side. The problem is that

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Speaker 2: The quickie is produced by me Grace Rufray and our

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Speaker 2: senior producer Taylor Strano, with production assistants from Claire Murphy

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Speaker 2: and audio production by Tom Lyon.