1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,694 --> 00:00:23,854 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily 5 00:00:23,894 --> 00:00:27,894 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. This Sunday will mark one year 6 00:00:28,014 --> 00:00:32,134 Speaker 2: since the Bondai Junction stabbings. Today we remember those we 7 00:00:32,254 --> 00:00:35,294 Speaker 2: lost and look ahead to the coronial inquest into the 8 00:00:35,334 --> 00:00:40,134 Speaker 2: events of April thirteen set for later this month. But first, 9 00:00:40,174 --> 00:00:42,854 Speaker 2: here's Clem Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom 10 00:00:42,934 --> 00:00:44,054 Speaker 2: for Friday. 11 00:00:43,694 --> 00:00:47,254 Speaker 1: April eleven, Thanks Taylor. Peter Dutton has announced that the 12 00:00:47,254 --> 00:00:50,454 Speaker 1: scheme to lower the emissions from Australian cars and encourage 13 00:00:50,454 --> 00:00:53,694 Speaker 1: more people to buy electric will be significantly wound back 14 00:00:53,694 --> 00:00:57,814 Speaker 1: if the Coalition wins the upcoming election. The NVIES, or 15 00:00:57,934 --> 00:01:01,734 Speaker 1: New Vehicle Efficiency Standard, takes effect in July, requiring an 16 00:01:01,734 --> 00:01:05,174 Speaker 1: emission ceiling on the total car sales of each automotive company. 17 00:01:05,534 --> 00:01:07,774 Speaker 1: Those who exceed that ceiling would be hit with a 18 00:01:07,814 --> 00:01:11,494 Speaker 1: hefty penalty. The Coalition has promised to drop the penalties 19 00:01:11,534 --> 00:01:15,054 Speaker 1: but keep some of the existing framework, saying car manufacturers 20 00:01:15,054 --> 00:01:18,574 Speaker 1: will continue to offer cleaner cars in the Australian market regardless. 21 00:01:18,854 --> 00:01:22,814 Speaker 1: The automotive industry themselves called for the regulation, saying Australia 22 00:01:22,974 --> 00:01:25,374 Speaker 1: was one of the only remaining countries not to have 23 00:01:25,414 --> 00:01:28,894 Speaker 1: fuel efficiency laws, but the global uncertainty of the industry 24 00:01:28,894 --> 00:01:31,334 Speaker 1: in the wake of Donald Trump's tariffs has made some 25 00:01:31,574 --> 00:01:34,934 Speaker 1: fearful of how they'll impact them. The latest Yugov poll 26 00:01:35,014 --> 00:01:37,734 Speaker 1: shows not only has the Coalition gone from looking like 27 00:01:37,814 --> 00:01:40,334 Speaker 1: a very good chance to win the federal election to 28 00:01:40,454 --> 00:01:44,214 Speaker 1: now possibly losing even more seats, the polling shows Labour 29 00:01:44,254 --> 00:01:47,054 Speaker 1: has gained ground and now sitted fifty two point five 30 00:01:47,094 --> 00:01:50,254 Speaker 1: percent compared to the Coalition on forty seven point five 31 00:01:50,294 --> 00:01:53,494 Speaker 1: to two Party preferred. That result puts Labour in even 32 00:01:53,534 --> 00:01:55,454 Speaker 1: better standing than it was in the lead up to 33 00:01:55,494 --> 00:01:58,934 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two election. The Coalition's primary vote is 34 00:01:58,974 --> 00:02:02,214 Speaker 1: also down to thirty three point five percent, lower than 35 00:02:02,214 --> 00:02:05,694 Speaker 1: at the previous election. Yugov Director of Public Data Paul 36 00:02:05,734 --> 00:02:08,694 Speaker 1: Smith points to the Coalition's Work from Home ban as 37 00:02:08,694 --> 00:02:10,894 Speaker 1: the start of the super caught free full and that 38 00:02:10,934 --> 00:02:13,774 Speaker 1: while the party has since backflipped on the decision, it 39 00:02:13,854 --> 00:02:17,054 Speaker 1: had already done enormous damage because voters had now formed 40 00:02:17,054 --> 00:02:20,414 Speaker 1: a strong opinion of Peter Dutton, believing he doesn't understand 41 00:02:20,454 --> 00:02:24,334 Speaker 1: the working Australian's life and is possibly a threat to workers' rights. 42 00:02:25,174 --> 00:02:27,454 Speaker 1: A ten year old Australian girl is believed to have 43 00:02:27,534 --> 00:02:30,014 Speaker 1: died in a fire at a cooking school in Singapore. 44 00:02:30,454 --> 00:02:33,734 Speaker 1: Sixteen children and six adults or rushed to hospital following 45 00:02:33,734 --> 00:02:36,894 Speaker 1: the fire at the Tomato Cooking School. Some were rescued 46 00:02:36,894 --> 00:02:39,334 Speaker 1: from the ledge of the window outside the third floor 47 00:02:39,374 --> 00:02:41,774 Speaker 1: of the building. The fire is believed to have broken 48 00:02:41,814 --> 00:02:44,134 Speaker 1: out on the second floor, but the cause is still 49 00:02:44,174 --> 00:02:48,094 Speaker 1: being investigated. The Australian girl died in hospital, the Department 50 00:02:48,094 --> 00:02:51,414 Speaker 1: of Foreign Affairs saying they're offering consular assistance to the family. 51 00:02:51,974 --> 00:02:55,214 Speaker 1: The controversial Treaty Principal's Bill that saw a New Zealand 52 00:02:55,334 --> 00:02:58,014 Speaker 1: MP break out in the Hakker in Parliament late last 53 00:02:58,094 --> 00:03:02,294 Speaker 1: year has been defeated. Opposition Party MP Hannah Rahiti might 54 00:03:02,334 --> 00:03:05,134 Speaker 1: be Clark ripped the bill in half before starting the 55 00:03:05,174 --> 00:03:08,614 Speaker 1: Harker in November last year. Her defiance to the changes 56 00:03:08,654 --> 00:03:11,134 Speaker 1: to the eighteen four aughty Treaty of Waitangi that was 57 00:03:11,214 --> 00:03:14,694 Speaker 1: signed by more than five hundred Maori chiefs and representatives 58 00:03:14,734 --> 00:03:17,494 Speaker 1: of the Crown protecting the rights of the Maori people 59 00:03:17,654 --> 00:03:18,974 Speaker 1: spread across the globe. 60 00:03:19,414 --> 00:03:19,694 Speaker 3: Act. 61 00:03:19,774 --> 00:03:22,414 Speaker 1: The party that introduced the bill, claims it's needed to 62 00:03:22,534 --> 00:03:25,574 Speaker 1: legally define the principles of the treaty that have long 63 00:03:25,614 --> 00:03:28,934 Speaker 1: been woven into Aturoa law to redress the wrongs done 64 00:03:28,934 --> 00:03:32,454 Speaker 1: to Maury during colonization. The bill needed a majority to 65 00:03:32,494 --> 00:03:34,974 Speaker 1: pass its second reading, but it failed one hundred and 66 00:03:35,054 --> 00:03:38,654 Speaker 1: twelve votes to eleven. Andrew Tate has been accused of 67 00:03:38,694 --> 00:03:41,134 Speaker 1: holding a gun to a woman's face and telling her 68 00:03:41,254 --> 00:03:43,214 Speaker 1: you're going to do as I say, or they'll be 69 00:03:43,294 --> 00:03:46,774 Speaker 1: hell to pay. The accusation was outlined in UK court 70 00:03:46,854 --> 00:03:49,534 Speaker 1: documents submitted to the High Court in London for a 71 00:03:49,574 --> 00:03:53,294 Speaker 1: civil case brought against the Internet personality. The woman also 72 00:03:53,414 --> 00:03:56,134 Speaker 1: claimed she was grabbed by the throat several times and 73 00:03:56,174 --> 00:04:00,134 Speaker 1: assaulted with a belt. A second complainant alleged Tate strangled 74 00:04:00,174 --> 00:04:03,134 Speaker 1: her during sex without her consent and made it clear 75 00:04:03,174 --> 00:04:05,294 Speaker 1: that she belonged to him and that if anyone else 76 00:04:05,294 --> 00:04:08,094 Speaker 1: spoke to her, he would kill her. A third woman 77 00:04:08,174 --> 00:04:10,814 Speaker 1: claims Tate told her he was debating whether to rape 78 00:04:10,814 --> 00:04:13,894 Speaker 1: her or not before having sex with her without her consent, 79 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:16,574 Speaker 1: while a fourth says take threatened to kill her and 80 00:04:16,654 --> 00:04:20,214 Speaker 1: strangled her during sex until she passed out. The allegations 81 00:04:20,294 --> 00:04:23,974 Speaker 1: date from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen. Andrew Tate denies 82 00:04:24,054 --> 00:04:27,134 Speaker 1: the allegations, calling them false and saying the women were 83 00:04:27,174 --> 00:04:29,934 Speaker 1: not controlled by him and did not behave as if 84 00:04:29,974 --> 00:04:31,014 Speaker 1: they were controlled. 85 00:04:31,974 --> 00:04:35,774 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, remembering the victims of the Bondai Junction massacre. 86 00:04:48,854 --> 00:04:52,254 Speaker 2: It was a busy Saturday afternoon. Shoppers rushed through the 87 00:04:52,254 --> 00:04:55,014 Speaker 2: grocery store on their way to children's sports events and 88 00:04:55,094 --> 00:04:58,814 Speaker 2: park picnics, while others roamed and peru shops at their 89 00:04:58,854 --> 00:05:03,734 Speaker 2: own pace. Bleary eyed, underslept parents pushed prams around the center, 90 00:05:04,054 --> 00:05:06,814 Speaker 2: hoping and praying their babies would not off. To the 91 00:05:06,854 --> 00:05:09,894 Speaker 2: white noise of foot traffic and nearby coffee machine being 92 00:05:09,934 --> 00:05:13,374 Speaker 2: put to work, It was a busy Saturday afternoon. It 93 00:05:13,454 --> 00:05:17,454 Speaker 2: was April thirteen, a typical Saturday afternoon, but it was 94 00:05:17,494 --> 00:05:20,094 Speaker 2: also a Saturday afternoon when a trip to the shops 95 00:05:20,214 --> 00:05:23,174 Speaker 2: or a weekend retail shift would claim the lives of 96 00:05:23,214 --> 00:05:27,254 Speaker 2: six people. What began as an ordinary shopping day turned 97 00:05:27,254 --> 00:05:31,134 Speaker 2: into one of Sydney's darkest moments when Joel Couci entered 98 00:05:31,134 --> 00:05:34,814 Speaker 2: the shopping center. He arrived at the center at three 99 00:05:34,934 --> 00:05:38,414 Speaker 2: ten pm before leaving quickly. He re entered the site 100 00:05:38,454 --> 00:05:43,254 Speaker 2: ten minutes later and began his devastating attack. In just 101 00:05:43,454 --> 00:05:46,094 Speaker 2: under twenty minutes, he would take the lives of six 102 00:05:46,134 --> 00:05:49,294 Speaker 2: people and injure twelve others before being stopped by a 103 00:05:49,294 --> 00:05:53,334 Speaker 2: single shot from Police Inspector Amy Scott. Among those we 104 00:05:53,414 --> 00:05:58,054 Speaker 2: lost were mothers, daughters, sisters and friends. Fifty five year 105 00:05:58,094 --> 00:06:01,694 Speaker 2: old artist and mother of two, Piricreadatia, who moved from 106 00:06:01,734 --> 00:06:05,974 Speaker 2: Georgia to Australia, studied business administration at Sydney Tafe and 107 00:06:06,214 --> 00:06:10,134 Speaker 2: spoke three languages. Thirty year old security guard for us 108 00:06:10,174 --> 00:06:13,494 Speaker 2: to hear, who was a recently arrived refugee from Pakistan. 109 00:06:14,014 --> 00:06:17,174 Speaker 2: It was his first day shift at the center. He'd 110 00:06:17,174 --> 00:06:20,094 Speaker 2: moved from Brisbane to Sydney in search of work after 111 00:06:20,134 --> 00:06:24,854 Speaker 2: falling persecution abroad just a year earlier. Forty seven year 112 00:06:24,894 --> 00:06:28,334 Speaker 2: old architect and mother of two, Jade Young was another victim. 113 00:06:28,854 --> 00:06:31,734 Speaker 2: She was a member of the Bronte Surf Life Saving Club. 114 00:06:32,094 --> 00:06:34,854 Speaker 2: While twenty five year old Dawn Singleton was in the 115 00:06:34,894 --> 00:06:37,614 Speaker 2: midst of planning her wedding. She was the daughter of 116 00:06:37,854 --> 00:06:41,774 Speaker 2: entrepreneur John Singleton. Thirty eight year old Ashley Good was 117 00:06:41,774 --> 00:06:44,614 Speaker 2: a physiotherapist who at the time of the attack was 118 00:06:44,614 --> 00:06:48,494 Speaker 2: shielding her nine month old baby from County before succumbing 119 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:52,414 Speaker 2: to her own stab wounds. Two nearby men shielded Ashley's 120 00:06:52,414 --> 00:06:56,934 Speaker 2: baby before the child received life saving treatment, and twenty 121 00:06:57,014 --> 00:07:00,454 Speaker 2: seven year old Chinese national Yishuan Chung, who was studying 122 00:07:00,494 --> 00:07:03,854 Speaker 2: at the University of Sydney and was engaged to be married. 123 00:07:05,374 --> 00:07:09,254 Speaker 2: Inspector Amy Scott's swift and courageous action that day prevented 124 00:07:09,254 --> 00:07:12,534 Speaker 2: furs the loss of life. Responding to the scene alone, 125 00:07:12,574 --> 00:07:15,774 Speaker 2: she confronted Couchy and made the split second decision that 126 00:07:15,974 --> 00:07:19,654 Speaker 2: ended his rampage. In the days that followed, Bondai Junction 127 00:07:19,774 --> 00:07:23,294 Speaker 2: became a sea of flowers as thousands gathered to morn. 128 00:07:23,774 --> 00:07:27,374 Speaker 2: That spirit of community continues today, with vigils planned across 129 00:07:27,414 --> 00:07:33,014 Speaker 2: Sydney to mark the solemn anniversary as we remember those 130 00:07:33,054 --> 00:07:36,174 Speaker 2: we lost. A coronial inquest is set to begin later 131 00:07:36,254 --> 00:07:39,494 Speaker 2: this month. The inquest will examine not only the events 132 00:07:39,494 --> 00:07:42,294 Speaker 2: of the day, but also the broader questions of how 133 00:07:42,334 --> 00:07:46,614 Speaker 2: this tragedy might have been prevented. Seven news anchor Angela 134 00:07:46,654 --> 00:07:50,494 Speaker 2: Cox remembers April thirteen, and take us back to that afternoon. 135 00:07:50,694 --> 00:07:52,094 Speaker 2: Were you in the newsroom? 136 00:07:52,614 --> 00:07:54,694 Speaker 3: Strangely, I wasn't actually in the newsroom. 137 00:07:54,734 --> 00:07:57,494 Speaker 4: It was the only time i'd actually gone because Channel 138 00:07:57,534 --> 00:08:00,294 Speaker 4: seven hosts the racing, So I was going there to 139 00:08:00,294 --> 00:08:02,454 Speaker 4: have lunch and come back to the newsroom, which I'd 140 00:08:02,494 --> 00:08:05,054 Speaker 4: never done before and I will probably never do again. 141 00:08:05,214 --> 00:08:08,974 Speaker 4: Because I walked back into the newsroom and as I 142 00:08:09,014 --> 00:08:11,334 Speaker 4: was getting my cup fixed up just to go back 143 00:08:11,414 --> 00:08:15,094 Speaker 4: up and do updates, we saw one of our journeys 144 00:08:15,174 --> 00:08:16,494 Speaker 4: racing out for bon night junctions. 145 00:08:16,534 --> 00:08:18,854 Speaker 3: So I was like, Oh, what's going on? Go upstairs. 146 00:08:19,294 --> 00:08:21,894 Speaker 4: And it was when we were first just getting the 147 00:08:22,214 --> 00:08:25,014 Speaker 4: alerts trickle through and the cops were going to the 148 00:08:25,094 --> 00:08:27,574 Speaker 4: area and checking it out. At that stage, we obviously 149 00:08:27,574 --> 00:08:30,374 Speaker 4: didn't know the magnitude of it what had happened, and 150 00:08:30,654 --> 00:08:34,814 Speaker 4: it all evolved quite quickly, and Mike Lusher I was 151 00:08:34,854 --> 00:08:37,094 Speaker 4: reading the news with him at that stage on weekend, 152 00:08:37,694 --> 00:08:40,894 Speaker 4: and he quickly went downstairs and got in the chair 153 00:08:41,334 --> 00:08:44,454 Speaker 4: from five point thirty while I was helping pull together 154 00:08:44,654 --> 00:08:46,774 Speaker 4: what we actually were putting on air, because at that 155 00:08:46,854 --> 00:08:49,094 Speaker 4: stage a lot of the pictures and everything we were 156 00:08:49,094 --> 00:08:51,414 Speaker 4: getting was stuff that was being posted on social media, 157 00:08:51,574 --> 00:08:53,534 Speaker 4: So we were trying to piece together all the information 158 00:08:53,574 --> 00:08:55,574 Speaker 4: that we had in the video and were staying across 159 00:08:55,614 --> 00:08:57,614 Speaker 4: that because at that stage we still didn't really know 160 00:08:57,654 --> 00:09:00,534 Speaker 4: the full magnitude of it. As it kept developing while 161 00:09:00,534 --> 00:09:03,494 Speaker 4: we were on air, we ended up just clearing the 162 00:09:03,534 --> 00:09:06,254 Speaker 4: whole rundown and we just stayed on what was happening 163 00:09:06,294 --> 00:09:08,974 Speaker 4: at Bondi Junction because at that stage people were coming 164 00:09:08,974 --> 00:09:13,014 Speaker 4: out and telling their awful stories. They were distressed and upset, 165 00:09:13,214 --> 00:09:16,414 Speaker 4: and we were on air until about ten or eleven 166 00:09:16,414 --> 00:09:18,454 Speaker 4: o'clock that night, I want to say, we were on 167 00:09:18,494 --> 00:09:22,974 Speaker 4: air for hours doing rolling coverage, and then the next 168 00:09:23,054 --> 00:09:26,414 Speaker 4: day we came back and obviously Weekend Sunrise was on 169 00:09:26,454 --> 00:09:30,494 Speaker 4: in the morning and they were doing coverage all morning 170 00:09:30,574 --> 00:09:33,214 Speaker 4: until I think midday, and then Michael and I were 171 00:09:33,254 --> 00:09:36,534 Speaker 4: back in the rolling coverage desk doing all of the 172 00:09:36,574 --> 00:09:39,414 Speaker 4: next day as well, trying to understand what happened. 173 00:09:39,894 --> 00:09:42,894 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess when events like these unfold in real time, 174 00:09:42,934 --> 00:09:46,214 Speaker 2: as you just mentioned there, it's people trying to piece 175 00:09:46,254 --> 00:09:48,774 Speaker 2: together information. It's people in the newsroom trying to piece 176 00:09:48,814 --> 00:09:52,694 Speaker 2: together that information. But also keeping calm and being a 177 00:09:52,694 --> 00:09:55,094 Speaker 2: real voice of reason and trying to help people not 178 00:09:55,214 --> 00:09:57,494 Speaker 2: panic when we don't really know exactly what's gone on 179 00:09:57,534 --> 00:09:58,174 Speaker 2: at that point. 180 00:09:58,814 --> 00:10:01,254 Speaker 4: It is so important that we do that, and it's 181 00:10:01,374 --> 00:10:05,934 Speaker 4: also really difficult because especially when it's in your backyard. 182 00:10:06,054 --> 00:10:06,774 Speaker 3: I live in Bondai. 183 00:10:06,814 --> 00:10:08,934 Speaker 4: I literally walk through Bondni Junction every time I come 184 00:10:08,974 --> 00:10:11,574 Speaker 4: to work, and not that it was about me or anything, 185 00:10:11,614 --> 00:10:13,694 Speaker 4: but it's part of your community. It's not something that 186 00:10:13,734 --> 00:10:16,574 Speaker 4: you're reporting on. Obviously, we've done lots of terror attacks 187 00:10:16,574 --> 00:10:18,974 Speaker 4: and different incidents that have happened around the world, and 188 00:10:19,014 --> 00:10:22,214 Speaker 4: they're distressing and upsetting, but something that's actually happening in 189 00:10:22,214 --> 00:10:27,334 Speaker 4: your backyard, it's like, oh my goodness. Keeping calm and 190 00:10:27,414 --> 00:10:32,774 Speaker 4: not filling the gaps with things that are unhelpful or 191 00:10:32,814 --> 00:10:35,974 Speaker 4: not facts, very careful about the language we were using, 192 00:10:36,534 --> 00:10:38,814 Speaker 4: and also know that there are a lot of people 193 00:10:38,854 --> 00:10:41,694 Speaker 4: in our community who are going to be directly impacted 194 00:10:41,734 --> 00:10:42,054 Speaker 4: by this. 195 00:10:42,454 --> 00:10:46,134 Speaker 3: The victims obviously their loved ones, but they have big 196 00:10:46,174 --> 00:10:48,854 Speaker 3: circles of friends and family and loved ones, not just 197 00:10:48,894 --> 00:10:52,534 Speaker 3: the immediate family. And they're our viewers and they're learning 198 00:10:52,534 --> 00:10:54,854 Speaker 3: stuff in real time on air. You have to be 199 00:10:54,894 --> 00:10:58,334 Speaker 3: super careful, like the identities of people who were being killed. 200 00:10:59,214 --> 00:11:02,254 Speaker 2: Can you remember sort of in the immediate aftermath what 201 00:11:02,294 --> 00:11:04,614 Speaker 2: the community response was, like, I mean, you were on 202 00:11:04,694 --> 00:11:07,294 Speaker 2: air for the majority of the time this was all 203 00:11:07,334 --> 00:11:10,894 Speaker 2: unfolding in real time when the dust started to settle. 204 00:11:10,894 --> 00:11:14,134 Speaker 2: Can you remember what people were doing and saying. I 205 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:18,614 Speaker 2: remember seeing just seas of flowers and candles and all 206 00:11:18,654 --> 00:11:19,734 Speaker 2: of that kind of imagery. 207 00:11:20,334 --> 00:11:22,774 Speaker 4: I walked through that area every day, and I remember 208 00:11:23,374 --> 00:11:25,414 Speaker 4: it was probably two or three days after would have 209 00:11:25,454 --> 00:11:28,534 Speaker 4: been similar time that you're talking about, walking through the 210 00:11:28,614 --> 00:11:32,774 Speaker 4: mall outside Westfield with the flowers and the Teddy Bears, 211 00:11:32,814 --> 00:11:36,374 Speaker 4: obviously because everyone was leaving toys for the baby, and 212 00:11:37,454 --> 00:11:40,294 Speaker 4: I just started builing my eyes out because just kind 213 00:11:40,294 --> 00:11:42,734 Speaker 4: of hit me all of the emotions of all of 214 00:11:42,774 --> 00:11:44,974 Speaker 4: the past few days and just seeing that and just 215 00:11:44,974 --> 00:11:47,934 Speaker 4: seeing the toy, because I think that everyone was so 216 00:11:48,414 --> 00:11:51,134 Speaker 4: broken hearted about the mum had to pass off a baby, 217 00:11:51,214 --> 00:11:54,334 Speaker 4: and I just think that was it. People in Australia 218 00:11:54,374 --> 00:11:56,334 Speaker 4: just around the country, like, how does this happen in 219 00:11:56,374 --> 00:11:58,614 Speaker 4: our country? This is what you see in America or 220 00:11:58,614 --> 00:12:01,254 Speaker 4: in England or something in Europe, but particularly in the 221 00:12:01,254 --> 00:12:05,254 Speaker 4: eastern suburbs. So many people I knew knew one of 222 00:12:05,254 --> 00:12:08,814 Speaker 4: the victims because they were shopping at their local shopping center. 223 00:12:09,014 --> 00:12:12,694 Speaker 4: And how many people it touched, and or people who 224 00:12:13,494 --> 00:12:16,334 Speaker 4: just got away because they saw him running and oh 225 00:12:16,374 --> 00:12:19,334 Speaker 4: my god, if I was thirty seconds later going down 226 00:12:19,374 --> 00:12:23,094 Speaker 4: the escalator. It was very haunting and I think kind 227 00:12:23,174 --> 00:12:27,014 Speaker 4: of scary and a bit destabilizing knowing that something like 228 00:12:27,054 --> 00:12:29,574 Speaker 4: that could happen in our backyard. 229 00:12:30,134 --> 00:12:33,174 Speaker 2: We're almost at the one year anniversary, Angela and a 230 00:12:33,214 --> 00:12:36,174 Speaker 2: coronial inquest into the event that unfolded its scheduled to 231 00:12:36,214 --> 00:12:39,294 Speaker 2: start later this month. What can you tell us about 232 00:12:39,334 --> 00:12:41,374 Speaker 2: that in quest? What's it hoping to achieve? 233 00:12:41,654 --> 00:12:44,134 Speaker 4: Obviously it's been a bit controversial, with John Singleton, whose 234 00:12:44,214 --> 00:12:47,454 Speaker 4: daughter was killed in the attack, saying that it's not necessary, 235 00:12:47,974 --> 00:12:50,694 Speaker 4: Dawn's mum and sister saying that they think it is, 236 00:12:50,974 --> 00:12:53,054 Speaker 4: and that you know a bit of controversy around that. 237 00:12:53,494 --> 00:12:56,494 Speaker 4: I think they'll obviously look at security and that you know, 238 00:12:56,654 --> 00:12:58,934 Speaker 4: at the time, people were talking about do we need 239 00:12:59,214 --> 00:13:01,854 Speaker 4: armed guards and shopping centers and stuff like that with 240 00:13:02,254 --> 00:13:04,974 Speaker 4: bulletproofests and everything, and it's like, who wants to live 241 00:13:05,014 --> 00:13:06,654 Speaker 4: like that? That we don't want to live like we're 242 00:13:06,694 --> 00:13:09,734 Speaker 4: in America. So I'm sure that they'll look at security 243 00:13:10,294 --> 00:13:13,614 Speaker 4: issues with actual security personnel and CCTV and all of 244 00:13:13,654 --> 00:13:18,014 Speaker 4: that sort of stuff, But I personally hope that the 245 00:13:18,054 --> 00:13:20,694 Speaker 4: main focus will be our mental. 246 00:13:20,334 --> 00:13:23,054 Speaker 3: Health services because obviously Howchi. 247 00:13:22,854 --> 00:13:27,334 Speaker 4: Was known to mental health officials in Queensland, whether or 248 00:13:27,374 --> 00:13:30,014 Speaker 4: not that was something that goes across borders to New 249 00:13:30,014 --> 00:13:34,014 Speaker 4: South Wales, and I think whether we support people with 250 00:13:34,054 --> 00:13:35,374 Speaker 4: mental health issues enough. 251 00:13:35,574 --> 00:13:37,254 Speaker 3: There are obviously holes in the system. 252 00:13:37,294 --> 00:13:39,414 Speaker 4: This isn't the first example of it, but I think 253 00:13:39,614 --> 00:13:42,934 Speaker 4: if anything positive can come out of an inquest, if 254 00:13:42,934 --> 00:13:46,054 Speaker 4: we can address the holes in the mental health system, 255 00:13:46,094 --> 00:13:48,894 Speaker 4: I think that's probably going to be the most beneficial. 256 00:13:49,054 --> 00:13:52,054 Speaker 4: But obviously it's the families and loved ones of the 257 00:13:52,134 --> 00:13:55,174 Speaker 4: victims who are the ones, most of them, not all 258 00:13:55,174 --> 00:13:57,574 Speaker 4: of them, obviously with John suthing Elton, but most of them. 259 00:13:57,734 --> 00:14:01,174 Speaker 4: This is very much a process for them to hopefully 260 00:14:01,294 --> 00:14:02,494 Speaker 4: find some answers. 261 00:14:02,694 --> 00:14:04,694 Speaker 3: I mean, I've been a court reporter for a long time. 262 00:14:04,774 --> 00:14:07,334 Speaker 4: I was, and I've spoken to a lot of families 263 00:14:07,374 --> 00:14:10,334 Speaker 4: who go to in quests and court cases and they're 264 00:14:10,374 --> 00:14:12,614 Speaker 4: always sort of asked a very cliche. You know, it's 265 00:14:12,654 --> 00:14:15,094 Speaker 4: this closure for you, and so many of them say 266 00:14:15,214 --> 00:14:18,174 Speaker 4: there's no such thing as closure when you lose someone 267 00:14:18,294 --> 00:14:20,894 Speaker 4: you love so much in such a senseless way. But 268 00:14:21,254 --> 00:14:23,974 Speaker 4: if there can be justice, or if there's some lessons 269 00:14:24,094 --> 00:14:27,894 Speaker 4: learned or something positive has come out of the investigation afterwards, 270 00:14:28,294 --> 00:14:30,334 Speaker 4: there is some comfort in that. I don't think they're 271 00:14:30,374 --> 00:14:32,614 Speaker 4: going to get closure. There's nothing that's going to fill 272 00:14:32,614 --> 00:14:34,854 Speaker 4: that hole in their heart that's been left. But if 273 00:14:34,854 --> 00:14:36,774 Speaker 4: they can find some answers, and if they can find 274 00:14:36,814 --> 00:14:39,054 Speaker 4: some comfort in the process, I think it's a valuable 275 00:14:39,054 --> 00:14:39,454 Speaker 4: thing to do. 276 00:14:41,814 --> 00:14:44,014 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 277 00:14:44,094 --> 00:14:46,974 Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano 278 00:14:47,094 --> 00:14:54,494 Speaker 2: and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.