Speaker 1: Out louders, Hello and welcome to MoMA Mia out loud.
Speaker 1: It's what we've been actually talking about on Friday, the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth of July. I should have taken a breath.
Speaker 2: Yea, thank you.
Speaker 1: I was running out of air as I got to
Speaker 1: the end of our done this before I know what has.
Speaker 3: Happened to me.
Speaker 2: I was when you started just going wow, she's really
Speaker 2: bringing it.
Speaker 1: Today, high energy, and then I'll run out and puff.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, out louders. My name's Holly Wayne right, I'm
Speaker 1: m Vernon.
Speaker 2: I'm Meya Friedman, and I have not peaked too soon,
Speaker 2: thank god, thank god, there's a professional in the house.
Speaker 1: Here's what's made our agenda for today. There's a very
Speaker 1: whimsical cure for doom scrolling that EM tells me it's
Speaker 1: the saddest thing she's ever heard.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry. It was great.
Speaker 4: Plus, before you sit down, have you ever thought about
Speaker 4: why you chosen that exact seat.
Speaker 3: In the middle.
Speaker 2: Also, I have hit news about my hair. I've got
Speaker 2: a recommendation because I've had lots of questions about my
Speaker 2: hair this week.
Speaker 3: I've had a bit of a transformation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, new hair. But first, in case you missed it.
Speaker 1: Frozen yogurt is the new juice, right, you know, we're
Speaker 1: bringing you the big news. You're bringing you the big
Speaker 1: breaking news. Do you want to wait in line for
Speaker 1: fifty minutes for some pretend ice fifty fifty minutes for
Speaker 1: some pretender ice cream? Because if you do, fro Yo
Speaker 1: has got you. Do you remember frozen yogurt used to
Speaker 1: be cool, like it was on Sex and the City
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it was like this mythical thing that
Speaker 1: they had in New York City because it's like probiotics,
Speaker 1: pre biotics.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But well then it wasn't that. It was just like
Speaker 1: it's low curlerie. Yeah, And then it went out of
Speaker 1: fashion and everyone started on their gelado. So then it
Speaker 1: was all about your messina and your you know, all
Speaker 1: your young fancy k We're now back to froyo and
Speaker 1: it's really really back. It's everywhere that Vox has written
Speaker 1: this big piece about it and about how in New
Speaker 1: York you can way up to an hour in line
Speaker 1: at the trendy fro Yo shops, so much so they
Speaker 1: might have entertainers to like sing to you while you're
Speaker 1: in the queue.
Speaker 2: So I just discovered this recently I had. It's not
Speaker 2: my first frozen yoga experience, but I went to is
Speaker 2: it yo chi yo Chi?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: In Furry Hill.
Speaker 3: Is that the same as froyer?
Speaker 1: No, it's not. Yeah, Froyo is just frozen yogurt, so
Speaker 1: Yochi is a brand name, but froyo is just like frozen.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what I went to, but I did
Speaker 2: and I got it was a fun experience, very creative.
Speaker 2: I liked that I could help myself. I really liked
Speaker 2: that a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, the way we know that it's definitely the new
Speaker 1: juice is yo Chi. It's like very easy to get
Speaker 1: carried away there.
Speaker 3: And then it's too late because you can't put it back.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but yo Chi, which has got
Speaker 1: seventy shops around Australia now, and there's one in Kuldji
Speaker 1: where I used to live, that always has a queue
Speaker 1: out the door. And whenever I take my kids to
Speaker 1: the city because we don't have frozen yogur where I live,
Speaker 1: they're like, we want to go and they want to
Speaker 1: cure up. Janine Ellis's family have doing that and they're
Speaker 1: the boost Juice people. So her sons took over the
Speaker 1: frozen yogurt business because it's very tiktoki, like it's very
Speaker 1: it looks great right as you were just saying, the toppings,
Speaker 1: the mixtures, all that stuff, it looks great. So it's
Speaker 1: very social media ish caught on with a new generation
Speaker 1: and now everybody's into fro yo right in a big way.
Speaker 1: It's also you.
Speaker 2: Can control it, so you know when you're like, you
Speaker 2: go to the because I love ice cream, It's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite foods and I'm a chunk ice cream girl.
Speaker 2: But when you go, you can't control which bit they
Speaker 2: give you, and you're like, can I have some more chunks?
Speaker 2: And also could I have a bigger scoop?
Speaker 1: I wanted to know who decides what food is called again,
Speaker 1: And in the Vox article they had a woman who
Speaker 1: is a predictor of food trends, which sounds like a
Speaker 1: good job. Wow, And she said, this is the third
Speaker 1: time that frozen yogurt's come back into fashion, and this
Speaker 1: time it's all about the wellness, like skinny jeans. This
Speaker 1: time round, it's all about the wellness because it's like
Speaker 1: we're all obsessed with our protein and got health and
Speaker 1: bone health and all that stuff and apparently all that
Speaker 1: leads back to yogurt.
Speaker 3: Or yogurt as we say, which I'm like.
Speaker 1: Guys, but is it because we want to put all
Speaker 1: m and ms on.
Speaker 4: It, like yeah, like the kids do Eminem's, but my
Speaker 4: yo chi experience has been quite different. There's this scene
Speaker 4: in the TV show The Good Place where this is
Speaker 4: going to be a huge spoiler if you haven't watched
Speaker 4: the show, but it's basically, when you die, you go
Speaker 4: to a good place or you go to a bad place,
Speaker 4: and the characters think they're in the good place, but
Speaker 4: they realize they're actually in the bad place because in
Speaker 4: the place that they're in there's endless amounts of frozen yogurt.
Speaker 4: And if it really was a good place to just
Speaker 4: be ice cream.
Speaker 1: It's so true because it's like I, as you say, me,
Speaker 1: like ice cream is what you want, And that's what
Speaker 1: happened in sex.
Speaker 3: This why it's so clever.
Speaker 2: Firstly, it takets like ice cream, and secondly, it actually
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what's in it because you just put all
Speaker 2: the other stuff on it, the cookie do dough and
Speaker 2: the chocolate chip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all of them.
Speaker 1: Would you line up for it? Because why everybody's lining
Speaker 1: up for things now and there's line culture, frozen yogurt culture,
Speaker 1: line culture, Like what's that all about?
Speaker 2: So there was a story in New York Magazine this
Speaker 2: week that I didn't think it was going to be
Speaker 2: very interesting because it was about lines, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe there's lines in New York.
Speaker 3: I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: And then I thought about it and I realized that
Speaker 2: when I was just in Japan, people was lining up
Speaker 2: outside the on Ittsuku Tiger shop, which is a trainer label,
Speaker 2: and there's a few of them around Japan and in Tokyo,
Speaker 2: and you it was three hours to get a little engraving.
Speaker 3: Some of the shops had lines just to walk in
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 2: And what it does is there's also a place just
Speaker 2: around the corner from where friends of mine live that's
Speaker 2: like one of those cool cinnamon.
Speaker 3: Scroll places in Bondai. I kind of remember what it's called.
Speaker 2: And every time I go and visit them, they're accused
Speaker 2: like it's a big weekend thing. So everyone one cues
Speaker 2: down the block and it's a really social thing. And
Speaker 2: this story in New York Magazine sort of looked at
Speaker 2: this idea of line culture and how it's not just
Speaker 2: a line, it's culture. And I sort of rolled my
Speaker 2: eyes at that for a minute, but actually there's truth
Speaker 2: in it because the reasons that people are enjoying queuing.
Speaker 3: There's a few.
Speaker 2: The first is TikTok obviously, because if it's everyone's queuing.
Speaker 3: There, therefore it must be good.
Speaker 2: I'll just go and stand in this queue, because if
Speaker 2: people are willing to wait, it must be the best.
Speaker 2: Fomo has become the governing emotional force in modern culture
Speaker 2: when you think about it, like everybody wants to be first.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to know. That's why we keep scrolling because
Speaker 2: fear of missing out on what's going on and the
Speaker 2: next bit of entertainment. There's also this culture of optimization.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to have the best of everything. Like if
Speaker 2: you're going to have something, you want it to be
Speaker 2: the best thing and the viral thing.
Speaker 1: I reject it what I said, line, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to stand in it. Really, when I was
Speaker 1: in when I was on holiday last year, I remember
Speaker 1: coming back from Europe and being like, it's so weird.
Speaker 1: I'll be walking through the high street of Manchester and
Speaker 1: suddenly there's a line and everyone's like, what's the line for?
Speaker 1: What's the line for? And it's it'll be a pop
Speaker 1: up makeup or whatever. But I'm like, that is the
Speaker 1: last thing I would do. I'll go and find the
Speaker 1: place with no line. When I was in Tazzi recently
Speaker 1: and I went to the big food place, which was great.
Speaker 1: There was a what did they make? They made cherry pies? Right,
Speaker 1: so inside this huge so there's a massive food market
Speaker 1: as part of Dark Mofo and there's all these food
Speaker 1: stalls selling everything from oisters to pasta to cherry pies.
Speaker 1: The place that had the longest line, and there were
Speaker 1: lots of articles about which place had the longest line
Speaker 1: because line culture was this cherry pie place and the
Speaker 1: line was about forty minutes.
Speaker 3: And then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 1: But for me, I was like, I will never eat
Speaker 1: those pies because I am not from I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure those pies are lovely, but I wouldn't line up.
Speaker 4: That's generation I wonder joined a line, and then I
Speaker 4: went I told my friend, go to the front of
Speaker 4: the line to see why we're lining up.
Speaker 3: And you just have to join.
Speaker 4: You just have to join I've like for twenty minutes
Speaker 4: for a La booboo that I don't know where it is.
Speaker 4: The only thing that I have stopped standing in lines
Speaker 4: for are for like restauranty things like if like restaurants
Speaker 4: don't have a booking system and you just have to
Speaker 4: join a line.
Speaker 1: To wait there. I hate that.
Speaker 4: I really wanted to get this really nice breakfast from
Speaker 4: this cafe that I'm sure if you live in Sydney
Speaker 4: you know what cafe I'm talking about. And the wait
Speaker 4: was forty minutes and I'm standing there and I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's going to be worth it. I just want to
Speaker 4: get my breakfast. It's going to be worth it. I
Speaker 4: know exactly what I'm going to order first, I sit
Speaker 4: down lunch menu.
Speaker 2: Oh so the thing about lines also that wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 2: be your issue, hole, but it's actually lines as human connection.
Speaker 2: One thing I've noticed about when you see people in lines,
Speaker 2: very few of them have theirs in. I know you
Speaker 2: spoke about it on Monday Show that the airpot effect,
Speaker 2: and that's something that people are actually talking in lines.
Speaker 2: So there are very few places where we gather anymore.
Speaker 2: And I've noticed this watching the people lining up for
Speaker 2: the scroll cinnamon scroll place. All the people kind of can't.
Speaker 2: They come in their active where and they all chat
Speaker 2: and it's a social thing, and then they go and
Speaker 2: sit on the nature strip with their cinnamon scrolls and
Speaker 2: it's it's social because and you could read this as
Speaker 2: being a little bit you know, the bleak reading on
Speaker 2: it is that digital capitalism has won and things are
Speaker 2: so bleak that we're like, we'll surrender our leisure and go, yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly hour of my life.
Speaker 1: And also that people deliberately make things scarce to give
Speaker 1: you a longer.
Speaker 2: Cue to social lives are so degraded that standing in
Speaker 2: a line feels like fun.
Speaker 1: See, I think that's my you know, you said it's generational.
Speaker 1: I think that's the problem. Is I once, when I
Speaker 1: was twelve, stood in line for eight hours to get
Speaker 1: tickets to Duran Durand because that was the only way
Speaker 1: you could buy a thing. And so you go on
Speaker 1: line and you take your chair and you take your jacket,
Speaker 1: and like that was fun to a point until you
Speaker 1: got to the front and they went, sorry, just sold
Speaker 1: the last ticket eight.
Speaker 3: Hours and you're like, no, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's like, I will never stand in a line again,
Speaker 1: you're not standing in a line for.
Speaker 3: Impatient.
Speaker 2: Impatient, but I think you just want to hang out.
Speaker 1: The titty chair culture. You can meet people there who
Speaker 1: like the same breakfast as you. I know we're both
Speaker 1: missed out.
Speaker 4: I digress out louders in a moment, the psychology behind
Speaker 4: where you sit and what it says about you.
Speaker 3: Out louders, Hey, it's me here.
Speaker 2: On Thursday Subscriber episode, we spoke about Hassler friends. You know,
Speaker 2: the people who, well, your heart just thinks a little
Speaker 2: bit when you see their name come up on your phone.
Speaker 2: Might be a friend, might be a relation. Have a
Speaker 2: listen link in the show.
Speaker 1: Notes friends who are trying to in their obsessive phone
Speaker 1: scrolling try a scrolly phone and a scrolly chair. I
Speaker 1: nicked this idea from the legendary Aussie crime writer Devlin
Speaker 1: mctin and who is actually sharing a piece from the
Speaker 1: New York Times. See how it happens. We pass We
Speaker 1: passed the information around between us. And this is an
Speaker 1: article by Mahir Ahmad from the opinion section of New
Speaker 1: York Times. She's been trying to shape her phone scrolling
Speaker 1: addiction this northern summer, and she has found a hack.
Speaker 1: I've removed all my social media apps, she says, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok,
Speaker 1: and moved them onto an old iPhone that I had
Speaker 1: lying around my house. I've dubbed this phone my scroll phone.
Speaker 1: I've designated a single spot in my home where I
Speaker 1: could use it, a stripey armchair in my living room,
Speaker 1: which I have now anointed the Scrolly chair. The scroll
Speaker 1: phone has no simcard, only Wi Fi, and I'm allowed
Speaker 1: to use it as much as I want as long
Speaker 1: as I'm sitting in the scrolly chair. The scrolly chair
Speaker 1: exists so I don't end up doing exactly what I did,
Speaker 1: and my actual phone was also my scroll phone, eating
Speaker 1: dinner with my scroll phone, watching TV with my scroll phone,
Speaker 1: sitting on the toilet with my scroll phone. The scrolling
Speaker 1: chair allows me to tether my social media use to
Speaker 1: a single place.
Speaker 3: I think that's genius.
Speaker 4: I just feel like we're losing the water social media
Speaker 4: and what we should give me is lost it. I'm
Speaker 4: just like, if you need what's wrong with scrolling? Like
Speaker 4: scrolling is fine.
Speaker 1: It'srolling is sucking my life away.
Speaker 4: I just feel like I'm reading hack after hack on
Speaker 4: how to stop scrolling, but no one's actually stopping scrolling.
Speaker 1: Well, also, I'm reading these hacks while I'm scrolled exactly.
Speaker 1: It's just like, which is so you saw that when
Speaker 1: you were scrolling?
Speaker 3: I did, and then I went.
Speaker 1: And scrolled somewhere else to find.
Speaker 2: But to your point, more and more people are looking,
Speaker 2: we're feeling addicted, we're not working the way that it feels,
Speaker 2: and so we're wanting more control over it. I think
Speaker 2: that an addiction is something that you feel you can't control.
Speaker 2: It's not that scrolling isn't pleasurable sometimes, but I think
Speaker 2: we all know that feeling of when it goes from
Speaker 2: being pleasurable to being a bit compulsive. Like I can
Speaker 2: literally feel it in myself where I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 2: just have a little scroll, and then I'm like scroll, scroll, scroll.
Speaker 1: Scroll, and then it's like two am exactly. And I
Speaker 1: when I was talking on the show last week about
Speaker 1: that book that i'd read about Burnout by Mantha Rimbagh,
Speaker 1: and she said to me, when I was talking to
Speaker 1: her about it, she said, willpower is bullshit. The only
Speaker 1: thing that works is changing your environment. So in this instance,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the scrolly chairs doing right every day,
Speaker 1: I might say I'm not going to scroll my phone
Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes before I fall asleep, and then end
Speaker 1: up scrolling it for forty five minutes. And every day
Speaker 1: I say that, and then every day I put it down,
Speaker 1: going Holly, you're such a bad person. Why could you
Speaker 1: not Why couldn't you resist the phone? Why couldn't you
Speaker 1: not scroll? And I beat myself up. The point of
Speaker 1: this is you're taking control of your addiction, and you
Speaker 1: go in scrolling's fun. You see loads of fun things
Speaker 1: on TikTok. Like. It's not like it's bad and you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: It's just you do it.
Speaker 1: In a part of the day that you're in control
Speaker 1: of and in a place you're in control of.
Speaker 3: I think it's genius.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work if you're like, if you need social
Speaker 1: media for work and stuff, obviously it doesn't work. But
Speaker 1: it would be a great thing to do if you
Speaker 1: were on holiday, or do on the weekends, or you know,
Speaker 1: like a time when you're like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: lose my leisure time to the phone. It's very clever.
Speaker 2: That's great because now you'll need two phones.
Speaker 1: But we do all have the old phone line around, right,
Speaker 1: that's the one to give you a kid, so we
Speaker 1: can take it off them and then we've solved two problems.
Speaker 4: Talk show host Graham Norton was interviewed by a New
Speaker 4: Zealand podcast call Between Two Beers, and on the podcast
Speaker 4: he was talking about the most New Zealand podcast. It's
Speaker 4: such a funny podcast I highly recommend. But on the
Speaker 4: podcast he was talking about the dynamics of how he
Speaker 4: chooses the celebrities he interviews and where he places them
Speaker 4: on the seat because talk shows he never does one
Speaker 4: on one interviews. He's always interviewing three to six celebrities
Speaker 4: at the same time.
Speaker 2: He's become the iconic talk show host. Yeah that there
Speaker 2: aren't any like him, Yeah anywhere else.
Speaker 1: He's so likable.
Speaker 2: I've not once in my life has I have I
Speaker 2: watched it wouldn't even know how, but it's become like
Speaker 2: clips from the Grahame Not Show of you into the
Speaker 2: zeitgeys through social So basically the show is laid out
Speaker 2: with him on his own chair on the left, and
Speaker 2: there's this big, long red couch on his right and
Speaker 2: all the celebrities are popped onto it.
Speaker 4: And this is what he says about how he places
Speaker 4: the celebrities.
Speaker 6: The person who sits the far end, you are right there.
Speaker 6: That person. We have to be confident about that person
Speaker 6: because they are further away, it's going to be harder
Speaker 6: to involve them. So they have to be a bit
Speaker 6: of more of a self starter down the end, which
Speaker 6: is why often it's a British comic or American comic
Speaker 6: that's down the end, because I can just look at
Speaker 6: them and they'll hit in. That's what you need from
Speaker 6: that person.
Speaker 4: So after I listened to this clip, I went back
Speaker 4: to his YouTube channel and like filtered by the most
Speaker 4: popular videos and rewatching those videos through this lens is
Speaker 4: so interesting because one of his most popular videos is
Speaker 4: a story that the comedian Greg Davies tells the whole
Speaker 4: couch and he sat right at the end, And the
Speaker 4: reason that story is so viral is because he makes
Speaker 4: Ryan Gosling like snort laugh, who's sitting right so entertaining
Speaker 4: their people. So he's acting as kind of like a
Speaker 4: secondary host to help Graham out to make sure that
Speaker 4: everyone on the couch is having a good time. And
Speaker 4: then we have like the Taylor Swift, the Kim Kardashian
Speaker 4: who's always sitting.
Speaker 1: Right near Graham. See that's the only bit of this
Speaker 1: explanation from Norton that I don't believe, because they talked
Speaker 1: about this on the Rest of Entertainment once in Richard
Speaker 1: Osmond asked the producer and he said that half his life,
Speaker 1: half his guest book is life, are arguing with agents
Speaker 1: about seat one. Right, he said, everybody wants seat one,
Speaker 1: and right next to him is Kanada Seat one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seat one is the one next to Graham. And he
Speaker 1: says after that, he said exactly what Graham said. It's
Speaker 1: about chemistry and about someone the first time they had
Speaker 1: been able to hold the run. It's so hard.
Speaker 2: When I used to do the project, they always it's
Speaker 2: called the fourth chair, and so they'll be the comedian.
Speaker 2: If you're looking at the desk on the far left,
Speaker 2: will be the comedian. Then it would be like Walid
Speaker 2: or Charlie, and then carry or Sarah. Then it was
Speaker 2: Sarah and then it's fourth chair. So the fourth chair
Speaker 2: is the one that rotates right and the other three
Speaker 2: are pretty permanent.
Speaker 3: So the fourth chair, it's always been.
Speaker 2: A really weird role on the project, and I always
Speaker 2: found it so stressful because you're on the outer, so
Speaker 2: it's really hard to chip in, and you really rely
Speaker 2: on the center of gravity being the two hosts in
Speaker 2: the middle who have to do all the heavy lifting
Speaker 2: because they also have the comedian on the outside, and
Speaker 2: then it's the spare, so it's on you to sort
Speaker 2: of interject yeah, and you don't really have anything to do,
Speaker 2: but then you don't want to tread on anyone's toe.
Speaker 2: So where you sit makes a huge difference in how
Speaker 2: you can contribute.
Speaker 4: It reminded me of when I did a psychology class
Speaker 4: when I was in UNI, because I.
Speaker 3: Went to university. Yeah, all right, stop flexing.
Speaker 4: And it was this big lecture hall and they were
Speaker 4: talking about the psychology of where you sit. And the
Speaker 4: professor was talking to us and she says, can you
Speaker 4: make assumptions of everyone in this room based on where
Speaker 4: they're sitting? And what she said was so true because
Speaker 4: we all just started looking around the room. I was
Speaker 4: the kind of student who never did my work, so
Speaker 4: I never wanted to be asking any questions, so I'd
Speaker 4: always sit right on the end, like as if I'm
Speaker 4: about to leave. There'd always be a group of boys
Speaker 4: who were clearly watching a movie right at the back
Speaker 4: front row seats mature age students, Yes.
Speaker 1: Don't want to and then she made us all switch seats.
Speaker 1: That's so clever, I reckon. There's a lot of real
Speaker 1: life this because if you think about the Graham Norton example,
Speaker 1: seat one next to the host is this is a
Speaker 1: dinner party, that's the power seat next to your friend
Speaker 1: next to the host, right, Yeah, so you always put
Speaker 1: them there the rest of the table. Chemistry is true.
Speaker 1: So whether or not you sit couples together, whether you
Speaker 1: put people together who know each other or don't. And
Speaker 1: then the person you put on the end in the
Speaker 1: difficult seat has to be your friend who you know
Speaker 1: can handle it. Right, So like the same thing as
Speaker 1: you've got, You've probably got a friend who you know
Speaker 1: you can put anywhere and we'll be fine. And that's
Speaker 1: the same as this.
Speaker 2: Right, when you're at a group dinner or something like,
Speaker 2: often it will be stressful, like in a restaurant if
Speaker 2: you get there a.
Speaker 3: Bit laid, because that's what it's cheated.
Speaker 2: Right, And so people mistakenly think that the head of
Speaker 2: the table is the power position, it's actually not.
Speaker 3: It's the middle of the table.
Speaker 2: It's the power position because then you've got access to
Speaker 2: all the you know, three people probably in front of you,
Speaker 2: the two people on your side, so you've got really
Speaker 2: good conversational access to at least five people. If you're
Speaker 2: on the end, you've only really got access to two.
Speaker 2: And if one of them is talking to someone else,
Speaker 2: you've only got access to one, and they could both
Speaker 2: be talking to someone else.
Speaker 1: Then you just have to are you scroll your phone
Speaker 1: the type of person who if you get someone you
Speaker 1: don't like where your seat, did you move the names around?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 4: My mom does this clever trick though, whenever she doesn't
Speaker 4: like where she's seated. After like about ten minutes, she's like,
Speaker 4: we're going to play a game and we're all going
Speaker 4: to move seats, and then that's the game. Then she
Speaker 4: just gets the seat that she wants.
Speaker 1: Look, I've just been buying my time before I can
Speaker 1: bring up the obvious, which is the seating plan on
Speaker 1: out loud, now, everybody wants the center seat.
Speaker 3: I don't, I do, I don't either, yess you do? No,
Speaker 3: I just get body is not here.
Speaker 2: You're meant to be in the center set. Yes, I
Speaker 2: was only meant to be in the center seat. For
Speaker 2: subscriber episodes. You're meant to be in this seat.
Speaker 1: I think our producers just want to create conflict.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 1: They want to create driver, they want to keep some
Speaker 1: our toes. But the reason that's the best seat is
Speaker 1: because you get the best camera angle. You get the
Speaker 1: front on camera angle, so you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about this, which everybody does, and you also don't. You
Speaker 1: can talk to both people like that.
Speaker 4: It hurts your leg, which is why I wonder how
Speaker 4: Jesse and Clair did it for so long, because the turning,
Speaker 4: it's yes, it's a lot.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me that the power.
Speaker 1: I think you should feel really fine in your seat.
Speaker 2: So something else that's quite controversial that we're about to
Speaker 2: undertake again here at Momamea is moving desks.
Speaker 3: Desk moves. You know, I love desk moves so in all.
Speaker 2: Our offices because I like change and I like variety,
Speaker 2: and people get really really funny about it, and I
Speaker 2: really love it, and so I'm like, guys, I think
Speaker 2: everybody should move desks souse. I'm always looking for optimum combinations,
Speaker 2: optimum configurations, And we've gone through lots of different phases
Speaker 2: of whether we sit via sort of skills sets or
Speaker 2: like all the written team sits together, or on the
Speaker 2: pod team sits together, and then the video people sit together.
Speaker 2: And now we're looking at moving desks. According to shows, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so everybody, no matter what they do on the show,
Speaker 2: social producer, producers, hosts, all sit in my pot. That
Speaker 2: was Holly's idea.
Speaker 3: Actually, and I can get.
Speaker 4: Well, can I say something yes because my current seat,
Speaker 4: everyone's jealous of it because I sit right near a window.
Speaker 4: I'm at the end of a big desk, so no
Speaker 4: one really kind of walks past. I feel like I'm
Speaker 4: in my own little corner office.
Speaker 1: Bad luck, and so you loseing't it? When I used
Speaker 1: to manage people, we want to move desks is the
Speaker 1: most is the sentence that will make you least popular
Speaker 1: as a manager because everybody hates change. Remember when we
Speaker 1: never really did it at Mom and Me And maybe
Speaker 1: we did it a little bit, but remember when hot
Speaker 1: desking was the thing, and it was like, you don't
Speaker 1: get a desk, you don't get a place that's yours,
Speaker 1: like not necessarily here, but lots of businesses.
Speaker 3: No, we did try.
Speaker 1: There was an absolute oh yeah yeah, and everybody and
Speaker 1: everybody just went back to their same seat every day.
Speaker 1: Because there's something very We're all such territorial little creatures,
Speaker 1: aren't we, that we're like, this is my spot.
Speaker 2: Spot. As an employer, in work from home times, everybody
Speaker 2: wants the flexibility to work from home on certain days.
Speaker 2: And also nobody wants a hot desk, I know.
Speaker 1: So what they got.
Speaker 2: Their employers to do is to pay for the desk
Speaker 2: full time, pay rent for their desk, but they will
Speaker 2: only use it on the days that they want to
Speaker 2: use it. So it's incredibly challenging because everybody having their
Speaker 2: own desks when not everybody's in the office every day
Speaker 2: is incredibly inefficient and really really expensive.
Speaker 4: It is challenging, and sometimes when I'm here on a
Speaker 4: Friday where most people work from home, it is lonely
Speaker 4: near my window.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's about like habit.
Speaker 4: And routine, like it's something that you just get so
Speaker 4: used to because it's your one given for the day.
Speaker 4: And then coming into a space where you're like, I
Speaker 4: don't know where I'm going to sit is already like
Speaker 4: having I don't know, I already feel anxious about even
Speaker 4: getting there.
Speaker 1: That's when I gave up having a desk though. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do have a desk key now, but I didn't
Speaker 1: have a desk for ages because because I'm not in
Speaker 1: every day, and I do get that it seems like
Speaker 1: silly to have this is Holly's space. But now that
Speaker 1: I've had my own space, Royal, I have to say
Speaker 1: that when we move, I'm going to have to move
Speaker 1: my tea, my hot sauce, a lot of my lipsticks,
Speaker 1: my books. I could colonize the.
Speaker 3: Space pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: I fluctuate between I'm not good at working at desks.
Speaker 2: I need to work at different places.
Speaker 1: All the time, some times on the couch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things I love about this office
Speaker 2: is that there's so many different places to work. So
Speaker 2: when we were looking to move here, we moved here.
Speaker 3: About a year ago.
Speaker 2: I there have been times at Mumamea where I have
Speaker 2: had an office and times when I've been on the floor,
Speaker 2: and times when I've fluctuated between two. And when we
Speaker 2: moved here, I had my I've got my office, but
Speaker 2: I've just in the last couple of weeks I've moved
Speaker 2: back onto the floor and I now sit with the
Speaker 2: executive team. Because two reasons when you're in an office.
Speaker 2: The good thing about it is that you can close
Speaker 2: the door. But the other thing that happens when you've
Speaker 2: got an office you get trapped.
Speaker 3: People decide they.
Speaker 2: Want to come and knock on the door, and you
Speaker 2: can't get away. And if they're like, have you just
Speaker 2: got a second? And because you're in a closed room,
Speaker 2: they can just walk in. So then I bought a
Speaker 2: little thing saying do not enter podcast recording in progress,
Speaker 2: and i'd stick that on my door.
Speaker 3: Everyone just ignored it.
Speaker 2: Well I know, and then they come anyway, and then
Speaker 2: they never ever leave, and so when you're on the floor,
Speaker 2: that happens less.
Speaker 3: And also you can get up a walk away. You can.
Speaker 3: The job I had for this, I did have an office.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 1: I liked having an office. But then someone new came in,
Speaker 1: big big boss came and kicked me out of my
Speaker 1: office put me are back on the floor.
Speaker 3: I was so upset about it. I love having an office.
Speaker 3: I loved it. But yeah, no, you're not. You're not
Speaker 3: an office person out.
Speaker 2: Loud as after the break my hair. All the questions
Speaker 2: you didn't ask.
Speaker 5: We have recos too will be answered, and these bitches
Speaker 5: the things I want to tell you about as well
Speaker 5: out loud as it's the time of the week where
Speaker 5: we tell you the things that we're going to recommend
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 2: I know you've been asking about my hair. I have
Speaker 2: actually been asking about your hair.
Speaker 3: But I think I'm the only one.
Speaker 1: There's anyone but asking about me as hair in your world.
Speaker 4: I didn't ask about your hair. I just said your
Speaker 4: hair looks nice because.
Speaker 1: You've been growing it.
Speaker 3: That is a question.
Speaker 2: Wearing as curly, it looks great. I'll take that as
Speaker 2: an invitation to tell you about my O. No, I
Speaker 2: actually hadn't even registered that there was a thing. But
Speaker 2: I've started doing a few Insta babbles again, where I
Speaker 2: just put my makeup on and have a chat in
Speaker 2: the morning, and everyone's like, have.
Speaker 3: You had hair extensions your hair?
Speaker 2: Your hair?
Speaker 3: When did it get so long?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I didn't make cutting it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then I'm feeling competitive growing it longer.
Speaker 3: Well, it's already grown longer. I mean, this is the
Speaker 3: longest it's been in quite a long time.
Speaker 2: But the strange thing is I have I'm in love
Speaker 2: with my I've got to diceon air straight, very spendy.
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm recommending ridiculously expensive, but I use
Speaker 2: it every single day.
Speaker 3: I've traveled with it.
Speaker 2: It's probably one of the best investments I've ever made.
Speaker 3: Again, not really.
Speaker 2: It blow dries your hair and straightens it. It gives
Speaker 2: me a good hair day every day because my hair
Speaker 2: I'm never I'm never, not very good at hair anyway.
Speaker 2: Recently I decided to on weekends, and when I don't
Speaker 2: want to blow dry my.
Speaker 1: Hair, it dries curly like that's just.
Speaker 3: What it looks like.
Speaker 2: And the problem with when you've got curly not like
Speaker 2: proper curly hair. Someone got upset when I described it
Speaker 2: as curly, and the Internet said that please describe it
Speaker 2: as wavy. You don't know my story. You don't know
Speaker 2: true curls. I'm like, okay, okay, respect it's on.
Speaker 1: The curlier side of waby, I would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the problem with my hair or hair like this,
Speaker 2: it's quite fine. It doesn't hold curls very well. Whenever
Speaker 2: it looks good curly is usually by accident, and usually
Speaker 2: because it's just air dried, usually when I've slept on it.
Speaker 3: But it's cold. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to get curly hair deliberately like this question.
Speaker 1: Now it has so long, you're still washing it every night,
Speaker 1: every night. Every morning I wash it before work, jeez,
Speaker 1: every morning.
Speaker 3: I wash it. Every morning.
Speaker 2: I exercise and I wash my hair then I dry
Speaker 2: my hair part. I just feel it's like my rece
Speaker 2: it's my.
Speaker 3: Meditation, diptation.
Speaker 2: So I was talking to my hairdresser, l hairdresser of
Speaker 2: the pod except for m who's the dirty stop out.
Speaker 1: She wants to get her hands on your hair. Lady,
Speaker 1: get there anyway, sorry.
Speaker 2: And she said, what about a diffuser? And I said,
Speaker 2: is it nineteen ninety one?
Speaker 3: Do you remember diffuse it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So apparently diffuses are how you I just bought one.
Speaker 2: I've got a just a regular hair dryer, and I
Speaker 2: just bought a diffuser.
Speaker 3: That attaches to it.
Speaker 1: Get them quite cheap on Amazon.
Speaker 2: A lot of hair dryers come with diffuses, which I've
Speaker 2: always just chucked out because I'm like, what is that?
Speaker 3: Who's going to do that?
Speaker 2: I've been using a diffuser because I can't leave the
Speaker 2: house with wet hair, except for that day when I
Speaker 2: came on with my hair literally on fire, not literally
Speaker 2: been hosed figuratively on fire. I had to hose it down,
Speaker 2: it's too cold, and also it looks a little bit unprofresh.
Speaker 2: And so now I use my diffuser.
Speaker 1: And you scrunch hair right, Yeah, I use.
Speaker 2: Colour Ow does a something called dream coat that I
Speaker 2: spray in my hair before I blow dry it. They've
Speaker 2: got regular dream coat, but they've also got a dream
Speaker 2: coat curly. I've now unlocked a whole lot of new.
Speaker 3: Hair products for curly hair. Out louders.
Speaker 2: If you've got a hair routine for curly hair, please
Speaker 2: tell me, because I am at the beginning of my
Speaker 2: hair chow so diffuse it. It probably costs me, I don't know,
Speaker 2: ten bucks on Amazon or nice thing.
Speaker 1: The challenge with curly hair wavy hair is that you
Speaker 1: want it to be wavy but not frizzy and been
Speaker 1: fire yeah, entire life, like you know. Anyway, I'll get
Speaker 1: back to you. I think that's a bit sad about
Speaker 1: it is. I keep saying to you all week, you
Speaker 1: look so young. But that's so interesting because like we
Speaker 1: the short haircut that is really cool, which we've obviously
Speaker 1: been We've obviously all been programmed, even without knowing it,
Speaker 1: to think that that's an older look than long hair.
Speaker 3: It's depressing.
Speaker 1: It means that all that standard beauty programming is definitely
Speaker 1: in there because the long hair.
Speaker 3: You go, oh yeah, you look you're little, so youthful.
Speaker 3: It's it's silly.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you look great, thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm recommending a TV show. It's called Ride or Die
Speaker 4: on Prime Video.
Speaker 3: I've heard about that.
Speaker 4: It's so funny. It stars two It's about two best friends,
Speaker 4: starring Hannah Waddingham and Octavia Spencer. Hannah plays due to
Speaker 4: Octavia Space plays Debbie and Debbie is the wife of
Speaker 4: an MP in London and England set in England. Set
Speaker 4: in London. Judit is a secret international assassin.
Speaker 3: She's from Ted Lesso, Right, yeah, Hannah, yep, she is.
Speaker 4: You find out quite early on that in the first
Speaker 4: episode that jud that the company that she works for,
Speaker 4: they are kind of pushing her towards retirement because she's
Speaker 4: a whoaka woman of a certain age. Oh and she's like, nap,
Speaker 4: absolutely not. They give her one last assignment and it
Speaker 4: kind of gets infiltrated with both her and Debbie's friendship
Speaker 4: and their life and they kind of go on the
Speaker 4: run from this hidden mass figure.
Speaker 2: Is it a bit?
Speaker 3: Filmer lays very much so that.
Speaker 4: Their chemistry, Oh my god, is amazing, so funny, very
Speaker 4: fast paced, very funny, very actiony. You move through the
Speaker 4: episodes really fast. All eight episodes have drops. You can
Speaker 4: binge watch them. That's sure good episodes. It's around like
Speaker 4: the Yeah thirty minute mark, I would say, really funny that.
Speaker 4: It's also had amazing reviews. We interviewed both of them
Speaker 4: from Mama Mia and even in the interviews you can
Speaker 4: tell that they just really like each other, which I
Speaker 4: love with co stars because I'm like, it just shows
Speaker 4: on the screen. The chemistry is amazing.
Speaker 2: So Mark Loud has been recommending this past Hannah Waddington
Speaker 2: in the street a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: She must have been filming something in Australia, but she
Speaker 3: looked like a goddess because she's like very tall.
Speaker 2: She looked she looked I definitely knew it was her,
Speaker 2: but she was very low key.
Speaker 3: She was just sort of going about her business.
Speaker 1: She would have been filming that right Gosling movie for guy.
Speaker 3: He was here for ages.
Speaker 2: Enough in the same suburb. I walked past his wife Mendez.
Speaker 1: There you go. They were obviously all staying there. Wow,
Speaker 1: look I've got a Beauty Wrecker and MEA's cut my
Speaker 1: grass because I thought she's doing something else. So we're
Speaker 1: just this is just Beauty Today and TV TV and beauty.
Speaker 3: I'm doing lips.
Speaker 1: I'm doing lips because you know, I love a red lip.
Speaker 1: And it's winter and the mate stuff is not working anymore.
Speaker 1: You need some juice, so I'm recommending my new favorite
Speaker 1: lip things from cheat to not cheap. Okay, so this
Speaker 1: isn't new, but I love it. This is Model Cooshier
Speaker 1: tint lip bomb. It's a dupe of that famous nas one,
Speaker 1: but it's only fifteen dollars Happy days. And this is
Speaker 1: girl Boss, which is very appropriate. It's in girl Boss shirt.
Speaker 1: It's shade. It's called girl Boss. It's red, but because
Speaker 1: it's a tint, it's not super red like it's just
Speaker 1: a bit red. Love it.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 1: It's juicy but not too full on, so I love that.
Speaker 1: But the other thing I've been doing instead this model
Speaker 1: this Mechamax. You're just approving that we don't actually drink
Speaker 1: from these car but this is a Mechamax pencil, so
Speaker 1: it's lipliner. Now, well, i'd lose it as a lipstick,
Speaker 1: so I color the whole thing in and then put
Speaker 1: them over the and then I put my barm this
Speaker 1: one which is Doctor, which is also from Makkabe. It's
Speaker 1: about fifteen bucks. That's got a tint in it too.
Speaker 1: So those two together all the same color.
Speaker 3: Look, you know, I like my red.
Speaker 1: And then my bougie is the French you know, Violet,
Speaker 1: So she makes this she it is a she. She was,
Speaker 1: she was on a beauty a while ago. She's like
Speaker 1: the coolest French. She's like, if you had to just
Speaker 1: look up in the dictionary cool French woman, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would be the woman who makes this brand.
Speaker 2: Right. It's funny you've got that. I have one of those.
Speaker 1: It's like a sustained gloss.
Speaker 2: So my ride or dye lip stick colored thing is
Speaker 2: also that brand.
Speaker 1: But it's the Blurah I've got that.
Speaker 3: I haven't tried that.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing. I love that, and I've
Speaker 1: got a few of those.
Speaker 2: Stands work because it's like I don't like Matt, but
Speaker 2: Blur is like Matt, but Blur It's yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like a new type off.
Speaker 1: So with those Korean ones that we all like that
Speaker 1: are like spongy. But I'm just finding with winter, I
Speaker 1: just want more juice, and so I've got those violet
Speaker 1: French the matt ones. But this is a gloss that's
Speaker 1: also a stain, and it's just a very very pleasing
Speaker 1: situation because you don't feel dry. It gives you bitstain.
Speaker 1: But it is expensive. It's fifty forty eight dollars on.
Speaker 1: Right now, your lips look good.
Speaker 4: I've got Merit the Merit lipsticks. I use them as
Speaker 4: a lip liner, and then I use a clear gloss
Speaker 4: on top, yeah, and smudge it in.
Speaker 1: So it kind of works as a blur as well.
Speaker 3: Manual blow back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lip liner.
Speaker 3: Is to do the big.
Speaker 1: Darkick. That's not happening in my watch anyway. Actually, the
Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to eco is a Mom and
Speaker 1: mea product. It's moved the Weights program, which you.
Speaker 3: Seem to be the face of Hallyween.
Speaker 1: Right I am. But here's the thing, right is that?
Speaker 1: So I've promised my self and I'm committing. I'm saying
Speaker 1: out loud because I want to be held accountable, right,
Speaker 1: I know, like every woman over forty knows waights Waits, Waits,
Speaker 1: lengths Waits. I'm so bored of it. And people tell
Speaker 1: you all the time, like how heavy are you lifting?
Speaker 1: You know, it's become like this boring conversation between women.
Speaker 1: But I do need to commit to it because we
Speaker 1: know how good it is for your bone density all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And there is a program on Move, which
Speaker 1: is one AMA's fitness app that is new and it
Speaker 1: is specifically for dommies like me who don't really know
Speaker 1: how to lift weights or how or where to start
Speaker 1: or what to do.
Speaker 2: It's really intimidating when you first start, it is, and
Speaker 2: we when we first launched Move, the idea for Move
Speaker 2: a few years ago was that you didn't need any equipment,
Speaker 2: and which there are still a ton of workouts that
Speaker 2: you don't need any equipment for. But as you say, oh,
Speaker 2: weights are so important and making sure you have resistance
Speaker 2: doing some kind of resistance training, and so that's why
Speaker 2: we introduce the weights program.
Speaker 1: She's the trainer who does it is so great. She's
Speaker 1: called Chantelle Ekerman's and she specializes in over forties exercise
Speaker 1: and so she's not I know this sounds bad, but
Speaker 1: I'm very intimidated by trainers who are like tiny little pilates,
Speaker 1: you know, like twenty year olds.
Speaker 3: They don't get my life.
Speaker 2: That's another reason we started out exactly because it was like.
Speaker 3: Not that nah.
Speaker 1: And so she's done this weights program that I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I've done some of it, which I've filmed with her.
Speaker 1: But now I've committed and I'm going to be held
Speaker 1: accountable three times a week twenty minute sessions. They're so easy,
Speaker 1: Like she just goes through the three sets and she
Speaker 1: does it like three times or whatever, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's so good easy you just proply phone up. Just
Speaker 1: I've got my little dumbbell that I stole from my daughter. Nice.
Speaker 2: We'll put a link in the show notes if you
Speaker 2: want to do those workouts. If you're Amomer of Me
Speaker 2: a subscriber, you already have free access to the move app.
Speaker 2: And if you're not seven bucks a month or something
Speaker 2: close to that, pretty good. The other thing that we
Speaker 2: wanted to tell you about the other bit of keeping
Speaker 2: is that Well has relaunched. We have got that's our
Speaker 2: health podcast.
Speaker 3: We have got.
Speaker 2: Doctor Ginny Mansberg who's also a host on Unleashed, along
Speaker 2: with Kath Mahoney who's also a host Unleashed, and they
Speaker 2: did some stuff for us for the Very Pery Summit
Speaker 2: and God, they're funny together.
Speaker 3: Their chemistry is off the charts.
Speaker 2: And so when we were looking at putting together the
Speaker 2: new season, they were just such a natural fit. If
Speaker 2: you imagine sitting down with the top women's health doctor,
Speaker 2: which Ginny is, and your funniest friend openly discussing bladderliks
Speaker 2: and Salmon's burn facials and why you're so exhausted. It
Speaker 2: is like medical expertise, but with humor and heart, and
Speaker 2: you will laugh hard enough to.
Speaker 3: Accidentally test your health expence.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 4: Asks all the questions you're embarrassed to ask your own doctor.
Speaker 1: And I love that in the show notes to all
Speaker 1: these things for sure, out louders, thank you for being
Speaker 1: here with us all week. We bloody love you, love
Speaker 1: y see you on Monday. Say ye hi, Mamma.
Speaker 4: Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which
Speaker 4: we recorded this podcast.