WEBVTT - The Podcast Seat We’re All Fighting For 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.400 Out louders, Hello and welcome to MoMA Mia out loud. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.160 It's what we've been actually talking about on Friday, the 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.760 twenty fourth of July. I should have taken a breath. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.720 Yea, thank you. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.479 I was running out of air as I got to 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.160 the end of our done this before I know what has. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:22.639 Happened to me. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.479 I was when you started just going wow, she's really 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:26.000 bringing it. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.920 Today, high energy, and then I'll run out and puff. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.800 I'm sorry, out louders. My name's Holly Wayne right, I'm 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:33.879 m Vernon. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.360 I'm Meya Friedman, and I have not peaked too soon, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.120 thank god, thank god, there's a professional in the house. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.280 Here's what's made our agenda for today. There's a very 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.320 whimsical cure for doom scrolling that EM tells me it's 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:48.639 the saddest thing she's ever heard. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.440 Oh I'm sorry. It was great. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.360 Plus, before you sit down, have you ever thought about 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.240 why you chosen that exact seat. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:58.040 In the middle. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.880 Also, I have hit news about my hair. I've got 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.760 a recommendation because I've had lots of questions about my 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:05.440 hair this week. 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:06.880 I've had a bit of a transformation. 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:12.399 Yeah, new hair. But first, in case you missed it. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.759 Frozen yogurt is the new juice, right, you know, we're 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.440 bringing you the big news. You're bringing you the big 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.240 breaking news. Do you want to wait in line for 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.640 fifty minutes for some pretend ice fifty fifty minutes for 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.520 some pretender ice cream? Because if you do, fro Yo 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.240 has got you. Do you remember frozen yogurt used to 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.080 be cool, like it was on Sex and the City 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.760 and stuff, and it was like this mythical thing that 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.680 they had in New York City because it's like probiotics, 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:38.520 pre biotics. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:38.759 Yeah. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.640 But well then it wasn't that. It was just like 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.120 it's low curlerie. Yeah, And then it went out of 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.560 fashion and everyone started on their gelado. So then it 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.760 was all about your messina and your you know, all 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:53.840 your young fancy k We're now back to froyo and 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.320 it's really really back. It's everywhere that Vox has written 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.320 this big piece about it and about how in New 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.639 York you can way up to an hour in line 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.680 at the trendy fro Yo shops, so much so they 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.080 might have entertainers to like sing to you while you're 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:08.600 in the queue. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.760 So I just discovered this recently I had. It's not 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.040 my first frozen yoga experience, but I went to is 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.120 it yo chi yo Chi? 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:16.519 Yeah? 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:17.280 In Furry Hill. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:18.480 Is that the same as froyer? 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.640 No, it's not. Yeah, Froyo is just frozen yogurt, so 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.079 Yochi is a brand name, but froyo is just like frozen. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.120 I can't remember what I went to, but I did 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.720 and I got it was a fun experience, very creative. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.639 I liked that I could help myself. I really liked 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:36.079 that a lot. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:37.919 Well, the way we know that it's definitely the new 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:42.760 juice is yo Chi. It's like very easy to get 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:43.840 carried away there. 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.359 And then it's too late because you can't put it back. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.639 I didn't know this, but yo Chi, which has got 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.800 seventy shops around Australia now, and there's one in Kuldji 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.359 where I used to live, that always has a queue 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.639 out the door. And whenever I take my kids to 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.239 the city because we don't have frozen yogur where I live, 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.720 they're like, we want to go and they want to 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.399 cure up. Janine Ellis's family have doing that and they're 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.720 the boost Juice people. So her sons took over the 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:13.960 frozen yogurt business because it's very tiktoki, like it's very 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.800 it looks great right as you were just saying, the toppings, 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.680 the mixtures, all that stuff, it looks great. So it's 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.880 very social media ish caught on with a new generation 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.760 and now everybody's into fro yo right in a big way. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:26.960 It's also you. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.680 Can control it, so you know when you're like, you 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.760 go to the because I love ice cream, It's one 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.520 of my favorite foods and I'm a chunk ice cream girl. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:39.360 But when you go, you can't control which bit they 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.080 give you, and you're like, can I have some more chunks? 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.760 And also could I have a bigger scoop? 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.920 I wanted to know who decides what food is called again, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.600 And in the Vox article they had a woman who 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.960 is a predictor of food trends, which sounds like a 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.520 good job. Wow, And she said, this is the third 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.000 time that frozen yogurt's come back into fashion, and this 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.600 time it's all about the wellness, like skinny jeans. This 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.160 time round, it's all about the wellness because it's like 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.960 we're all obsessed with our protein and got health and 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.560 bone health and all that stuff and apparently all that 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.080 leads back to yogurt. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.600 Or yogurt as we say, which I'm like. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.720 Guys, but is it because we want to put all 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:18.480 m and ms on. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.159 It, like yeah, like the kids do Eminem's, but my 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.360 yo chi experience has been quite different. There's this scene 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.720 in the TV show The Good Place where this is 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.240 going to be a huge spoiler if you haven't watched 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.440 the show, but it's basically, when you die, you go 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.440 to a good place or you go to a bad place, 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.919 and the characters think they're in the good place, but 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.880 they realize they're actually in the bad place because in 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.320 the place that they're in there's endless amounts of frozen yogurt. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.400 And if it really was a good place to just 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.039 be ice cream. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.359 It's so true because it's like I, as you say, me, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.320 like ice cream is what you want, And that's what 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:54.080 happened in sex. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.520 This why it's so clever. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.720 Firstly, it takets like ice cream, and secondly, it actually 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.599 doesn't matter what's in it because you just put all 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.240 the other stuff on it, the cookie do dough and 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.240 the chocolate chip. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:03.960 Yeah, and all of them. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.679 Would you line up for it? Because why everybody's lining 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.320 up for things now and there's line culture, frozen yogurt culture, 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.560 line culture, Like what's that all about? 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.560 So there was a story in New York Magazine this 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.640 week that I didn't think it was going to be 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.760 very interesting because it was about lines, and I was like, oh, 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:20.840 maybe there's lines in New York. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:21.560 I don't understand it. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.760 And then I thought about it and I realized that 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.280 when I was just in Japan, people was lining up 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:32.279 outside the on Ittsuku Tiger shop, which is a trainer label, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.279 and there's a few of them around Japan and in Tokyo, 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.799 and you it was three hours to get a little engraving. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:41.839 Some of the shops had lines just to walk in 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:42.240 the door. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.440 And what it does is there's also a place just 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.159 around the corner from where friends of mine live that's 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.839 like one of those cool cinnamon. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.039 Scroll places in Bondai. I kind of remember what it's called. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.000 And every time I go and visit them, they're accused 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.400 like it's a big weekend thing. So everyone one cues 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.080 down the block and it's a really social thing. And 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.640 this story in New York Magazine sort of looked at 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.320 this idea of line culture and how it's not just 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.640 a line, it's culture. And I sort of rolled my 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.760 eyes at that for a minute, but actually there's truth 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:22.400 in it because the reasons that people are enjoying queuing. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:22.600 There's a few. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.360 The first is TikTok obviously, because if it's everyone's queuing. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:28.320 There, therefore it must be good. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.200 I'll just go and stand in this queue, because if 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.040 people are willing to wait, it must be the best. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.440 Fomo has become the governing emotional force in modern culture 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.680 when you think about it, like everybody wants to be first. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.839 Everybody wants to know. That's why we keep scrolling because 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.320 fear of missing out on what's going on and the 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.480 next bit of entertainment. There's also this culture of optimization. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.240 Everyone wants to have the best of everything. Like if 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.600 you're going to have something, you want it to be 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.000 the best thing and the viral thing. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.760 I reject it what I said, line, I'm like, I'm 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.200 not going to stand in it. Really, when I was 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.320 in when I was on holiday last year, I remember 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.360 coming back from Europe and being like, it's so weird. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.920 I'll be walking through the high street of Manchester and 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.120 suddenly there's a line and everyone's like, what's the line for? 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:13.880 What's the line for? And it's it'll be a pop 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.440 up makeup or whatever. But I'm like, that is the 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.160 last thing I would do. I'll go and find the 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.200 place with no line. When I was in Tazzi recently 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.239 and I went to the big food place, which was great. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.880 There was a what did they make? They made cherry pies? Right, 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.400 so inside this huge so there's a massive food market 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.880 as part of Dark Mofo and there's all these food 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.040 stalls selling everything from oisters to pasta to cherry pies. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.200 The place that had the longest line, and there were 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.400 lots of articles about which place had the longest line 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.560 because line culture was this cherry pie place and the 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.200 line was about forty minutes. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.280 And then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.640 But for me, I was like, I will never eat 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:54.960 those pies because I am not from I'm like, I'm 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.840 sure those pies are lovely, but I wouldn't line up. 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.560 That's generation I wonder joined a line, and then I 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.720 went I told my friend, go to the front of 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.520 the line to see why we're lining up. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.600 And you just have to join. 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.280 You just have to join I've like for twenty minutes 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.240 for a La booboo that I don't know where it is. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.119 The only thing that I have stopped standing in lines 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:20.040 for are for like restauranty things like if like restaurants 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.760 don't have a booking system and you just have to 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.440 join a line. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:24.280 To wait there. I hate that. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.080 I really wanted to get this really nice breakfast from 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.520 this cafe that I'm sure if you live in Sydney 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.640 you know what cafe I'm talking about. And the wait 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.000 was forty minutes and I'm standing there and I'm like, 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.400 it's going to be worth it. I just want to 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:36.880 get my breakfast. It's going to be worth it. I 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.840 know exactly what I'm going to order first, I sit 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.040 down lunch menu. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:48.920 Oh so the thing about lines also that wouldn't necessarily 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.960 be your issue, hole, but it's actually lines as human connection. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.720 One thing I've noticed about when you see people in lines, 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.000 very few of them have theirs in. I know you 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.640 spoke about it on Monday Show that the airpot effect, 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.200 and that's something that people are actually talking in lines. 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.000 So there are very few places where we gather anymore. 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.040 And I've noticed this watching the people lining up for 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:18.280 the scroll cinnamon scroll place. All the people kind of can't. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.120 They come in their active where and they all chat 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.959 and it's a social thing, and then they go and 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:29.120 sit on the nature strip with their cinnamon scrolls and 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.800 it's it's social because and you could read this as 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.840 being a little bit you know, the bleak reading on 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.280 it is that digital capitalism has won and things are 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.160 so bleak that we're like, we'll surrender our leisure and go, yeah. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.080 Exactly hour of my life. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.360 And also that people deliberately make things scarce to give 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:48.199 you a longer. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.520 Cue to social lives are so degraded that standing in 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:52.520 a line feels like fun. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.839 See, I think that's my you know, you said it's generational. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.200 I think that's the problem. Is I once, when I 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.480 was twelve, stood in line for eight hours to get 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.000 tickets to Duran Durand because that was the only way 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.959 you could buy a thing. And so you go on 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.320 line and you take your chair and you take your jacket, 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.520 and like that was fun to a point until you 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.200 got to the front and they went, sorry, just sold 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.920 the last ticket eight. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.840 Hours and you're like, no, it's not. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.560 It's like, I will never stand in a line again, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.040 you're not standing in a line for. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:23.160 Impatient. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.040 Impatient, but I think you just want to hang out. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.600 The titty chair culture. You can meet people there who 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.480 like the same breakfast as you. I know we're both 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:34.959 missed out. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.160 I digress out louders in a moment, the psychology behind 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.560 where you sit and what it says about you. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.080 Out louders, Hey, it's me here. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.280 On Thursday Subscriber episode, we spoke about Hassler friends. You know, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.360 the people who, well, your heart just thinks a little 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.040 bit when you see their name come up on your phone. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.360 Might be a friend, might be a relation. Have a 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:57.800 listen link in the show. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:02.080 Notes friends who are trying to in their obsessive phone 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:07.400 scrolling try a scrolly phone and a scrolly chair. I 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.680 nicked this idea from the legendary Aussie crime writer Devlin 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.400 mctin and who is actually sharing a piece from the 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.400 New York Times. See how it happens. We pass We 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.600 passed the information around between us. And this is an 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.520 article by Mahir Ahmad from the opinion section of New 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.600 York Times. She's been trying to shape her phone scrolling 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.200 addiction this northern summer, and she has found a hack. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.559 I've removed all my social media apps, she says, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.600 and moved them onto an old iPhone that I had 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.760 lying around my house. I've dubbed this phone my scroll phone. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.680 I've designated a single spot in my home where I 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.560 could use it, a stripey armchair in my living room, 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.240 which I have now anointed the Scrolly chair. The scroll 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.200 phone has no simcard, only Wi Fi, and I'm allowed 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.760 to use it as much as I want as long 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.719 as I'm sitting in the scrolly chair. The scrolly chair 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.920 exists so I don't end up doing exactly what I did, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.800 and my actual phone was also my scroll phone, eating 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.440 dinner with my scroll phone, watching TV with my scroll phone, 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.600 sitting on the toilet with my scroll phone. The scrolling 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.760 chair allows me to tether my social media use to 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.360 a single place. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:14.720 I think that's genius. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.840 I just feel like we're losing the water social media 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.440 and what we should give me is lost it. I'm 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.360 just like, if you need what's wrong with scrolling? Like 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.559 scrolling is fine. 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.959 It'srolling is sucking my life away. 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.680 I just feel like I'm reading hack after hack on 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.960 how to stop scrolling, but no one's actually stopping scrolling. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.080 Well, also, I'm reading these hacks while I'm scrolled exactly. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.959 It's just like, which is so you saw that when 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:41.680 you were scrolling? 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:42.840 I did, and then I went. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.240 And scrolled somewhere else to find. 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.400 But to your point, more and more people are looking, 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.520 we're feeling addicted, we're not working the way that it feels, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.400 and so we're wanting more control over it. I think 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.280 that an addiction is something that you feel you can't control. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.120 It's not that scrolling isn't pleasurable sometimes, but I think 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:02.880 we all know that feeling of when it goes from 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.280 being pleasurable to being a bit compulsive. Like I can 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.199 literally feel it in myself where I'm like, oh, I 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.959 just have a little scroll, and then I'm like scroll, scroll, scroll. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.040 Scroll, and then it's like two am exactly. And I 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.439 when I was talking on the show last week about 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.640 that book that i'd read about Burnout by Mantha Rimbagh, 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.439 and she said to me, when I was talking to 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.400 her about it, she said, willpower is bullshit. The only 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.800 thing that works is changing your environment. So in this instance, 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.080 that's exactly what the scrolly chairs doing right every day, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.240 I might say I'm not going to scroll my phone 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.760 for fifteen minutes before I fall asleep, and then end 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.200 up scrolling it for forty five minutes. And every day 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.360 I say that, and then every day I put it down, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.160 going Holly, you're such a bad person. Why could you 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.800 not Why couldn't you resist the phone? Why couldn't you 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.680 not scroll? And I beat myself up. The point of 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.439 this is you're taking control of your addiction, and you 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.040 go in scrolling's fun. You see loads of fun things 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.120 on TikTok. Like. It's not like it's bad and you 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:59.280 shouldn't do it. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.960 It's just you do it. 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.320 In a part of the day that you're in control 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:04.559 of and in a place you're in control of. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:05.760 I think it's genius. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.839 It doesn't work if you're like, if you need social 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.200 media for work and stuff, obviously it doesn't work. But 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:12.800 it would be a great thing to do if you 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.080 were on holiday, or do on the weekends, or you know, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.720 like a time when you're like, I don't want to 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.320 lose my leisure time to the phone. It's very clever. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.480 That's great because now you'll need two phones. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.440 But we do all have the old phone line around, right, 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:33.400 that's the one to give you a kid, so we 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.240 can take it off them and then we've solved two problems. 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.840 Talk show host Graham Norton was interviewed by a New 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:45.160 Zealand podcast call Between Two Beers, and on the podcast 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.480 he was talking about the most New Zealand podcast. It's 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.120 such a funny podcast I highly recommend. But on the 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.160 podcast he was talking about the dynamics of how he 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.960 chooses the celebrities he interviews and where he places them 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.280 on the seat because talk shows he never does one 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.680 on one interviews. He's always interviewing three to six celebrities 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:05.760 at the same time. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:11.520 He's become the iconic talk show host. Yeah that there 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.000 aren't any like him, Yeah anywhere else. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.440 He's so likable. 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.200 I've not once in my life has I have I 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.880 watched it wouldn't even know how, but it's become like 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.880 clips from the Grahame Not Show of you into the 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.080 zeitgeys through social So basically the show is laid out 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.600 with him on his own chair on the left, and 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.400 there's this big, long red couch on his right and 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.520 all the celebrities are popped onto it. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.160 And this is what he says about how he places 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:38.960 the celebrities. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.640 The person who sits the far end, you are right there. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.480 That person. We have to be confident about that person 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.360 because they are further away, it's going to be harder 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.280 to involve them. So they have to be a bit 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.960 of more of a self starter down the end, which 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.800 is why often it's a British comic or American comic 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.200 that's down the end, because I can just look at 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.560 them and they'll hit in. That's what you need from 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:06.080 that person. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.120 So after I listened to this clip, I went back 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.200 to his YouTube channel and like filtered by the most 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.560 popular videos and rewatching those videos through this lens is 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.760 so interesting because one of his most popular videos is 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.240 a story that the comedian Greg Davies tells the whole 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.320 couch and he sat right at the end, And the 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.840 reason that story is so viral is because he makes 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.720 Ryan Gosling like snort laugh, who's sitting right so entertaining 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.840 their people. So he's acting as kind of like a 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.760 secondary host to help Graham out to make sure that 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.200 everyone on the couch is having a good time. And 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.560 then we have like the Taylor Swift, the Kim Kardashian 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:43.520 who's always sitting. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.600 Right near Graham. See that's the only bit of this 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.600 explanation from Norton that I don't believe, because they talked 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.400 about this on the Rest of Entertainment once in Richard 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.320 Osmond asked the producer and he said that half his life, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.120 half his guest book is life, are arguing with agents 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.680 about seat one. Right, he said, everybody wants seat one, 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.720 and right next to him is Kanada Seat one. Yeah, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.840 seat one is the one next to Graham. And he 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.679 says after that, he said exactly what Graham said. It's 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.840 about chemistry and about someone the first time they had 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.520 been able to hold the run. It's so hard. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.680 When I used to do the project, they always it's 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.040 called the fourth chair, and so they'll be the comedian. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.400 If you're looking at the desk on the far left, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.920 will be the comedian. Then it would be like Walid 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.919 or Charlie, and then carry or Sarah. Then it was 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.720 Sarah and then it's fourth chair. So the fourth chair 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.080 is the one that rotates right and the other three 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:32.120 are pretty permanent. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.480 So the fourth chair, it's always been. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.560 A really weird role on the project, and I always 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.359 found it so stressful because you're on the outer, so 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.040 it's really hard to chip in, and you really rely 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.920 on the center of gravity being the two hosts in 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.520 the middle who have to do all the heavy lifting 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.639 because they also have the comedian on the outside, and 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.760 then it's the spare, so it's on you to sort 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.200 of interject yeah, and you don't really have anything to do, 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.520 but then you don't want to tread on anyone's toe. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:05.440 So where you sit makes a huge difference in how 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.080 you can contribute. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:11.720 It reminded me of when I did a psychology class 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.120 when I was in UNI, because I. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.879 Went to university. Yeah, all right, stop flexing. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.080