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Speaker 1: the way that you're dressing, all of those things. So

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Speaker 2: Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 3: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for

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Speaker 4: your faith. I'm Aaron Dockerty and welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 4: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of

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Speaker 4: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into

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Speaker 4: their skincareer teams. Today, we're diving into the effortlessly sheep

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Speaker 4: world of buy Rosy Jane Fragrances with its vibrant founder

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Speaker 4: Rosie Jane Johnston. As a former celebrity makeup artist, Rosie

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Speaker 4: wanted to leave a lasting impression on her clients, so

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Speaker 4: in twenty ten, she concocted her first signature scent and

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Speaker 4: it was a hit. Her mind from clients, friends, and

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Speaker 4: family was actually so high that she started selling it

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Speaker 4: in a friend's boutique and it's sold out in just

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Speaker 4: twenty four hours. Fast forward to today, Rosie's full range

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Speaker 4: of cool beauty products, often described as the white T

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Speaker 4: Today she's sharing her incredible journey and the ultimate La

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Speaker 4: Cool Girl skincare product she includes in her daily beauty rituals,

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Speaker 4: from her favorite fresh cleansing oil to the juiciest face

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Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skill, but how Rosie, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for joining us today, all the way from

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Speaker 3: La You are.

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Speaker 1: So welcome, and I mean, listen with zoom now and

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: For technology, we're so keen for this one. We can't

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Speaker 4: wait to dig into your skin, Carouteene. Let's start at

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Speaker 4: the very beginning. I want to ask you, what was

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Speaker 4: the inspiration behind creating your brand.

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Speaker 1: By Rosie Jane? Kind of evolved, is what I say

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Speaker 1: all the time. I never started in this idea like

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Speaker 1: for me. So initially, I was a makeup artist for many,

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Speaker 1: I had just had my first child, and I took

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Speaker 4: And it's a very specific aesthetic. You've really kind of

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Speaker 2: How did you build that aesthetic?

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Speaker 1: You know, everything for by Rosie Jane really comes from

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Speaker 1: like denim with a pair of high heels on. That's it.

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Speaker 1: It's pear, jasmine and fresh cut grass, and I think

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Speaker 4: I love the you know how fluid it's become. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's honestly as individual as your style.

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Speaker 4: I know for me personally, when I'm smelling my you know, fragrances,

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Speaker 2: Give us the dirty. I want to move into your skin, Carrotine.

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Speaker 2: Oh tell me let's start with face, leaning into.

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Speaker 1: I don't love my perfume to be in my body products.

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Speaker 1: care to feel different. So I have this really simple routine.

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Speaker 1: I use like an oil cleanser.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I use Mara. She has a cleansing

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard of this. I looked it up.

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Speaker 4: The package was so nice. It's kind of like this gradient.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is, it is, And she is an amazing

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Speaker 1: When I created them, it was over the pandemic. I

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Speaker 1: So I was like, I have to like get to

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Speaker 2: Hit You've made one of the greatest discoveries of all time,

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Speaker 2: or a miss never again. Never. This is my favorite

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Speaker 4: I yes, I want to ask you what skincare ingredient

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Speaker 1: I love the idea of slugging right. I love the

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Speaker 1: layering of skincare. I don't think it's overrated. I truly

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Speaker 1: think it works. You know. One of the things actually

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Speaker 1: that I think is a little overrated is retinoal.

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Speaker 2: Like, tell me, I need to know more, cancel it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like once something gets a trend, it just

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Speaker 1: is done to death, right, And I just think you've

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Speaker 1: what retinoal is. I'm sort of weary of it. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's not that brilliant. You know, if you really want

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Speaker 4: I feel like, obviously there's only so much that topical

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Speaker 4: products can actually do, and you know, there's so many

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and I do think that there are

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Speaker 1: She was the first real over the counter retinol, like

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Speaker 1: and it felt very real and authentic. And now people

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Speaker 1: were like, ooh, retinal retino. My god, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: put it in everything. It doesn't matter what it is.

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Speaker 1: Let's just throw some retinol in there and then it

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Speaker 4: So so true. You've made save any good points there, Rosie.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us on the show today.

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Speaker 2: We loved having you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. There's been so fun. It's gone so fast too.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, friends.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening to the show today.

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Speaker 4: Rosie was a bloody delight. So I hope you enjoyed

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