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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix.

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Speaker 1: I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brednick and.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, do we have an episode for you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this episode has been in the works

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Speaker 1: for when did we first hear about this movie. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say at least two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and then we watched it two months ago.

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Speaker 1: But before that, the press tour and all of the

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Speaker 1: viral moments. We're just all over our social feeds and everywhere,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of build up to this moment too.

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Speaker 2: Much, if you ask me. We are doing our brutally

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Speaker 2: honest review of the Nicole Kidman film Baby Girl. It's

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Speaker 2: gonna be an explicit one. There's gonna be spoilers, so

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Speaker 2: make sure you watch the film before we actually get

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Speaker 2: into it. So make sure you saved this episode, watch

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Speaker 2: the film, then come back and listen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So if you're not across our brilliant honest review format,

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Speaker 1: this is where we talk about a big TV show

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Speaker 1: know everyone is talking about. That's kind of become a

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Speaker 1: because it can go either way. So these episodes, as

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Speaker 1: Emily said, we're gonna get into the nitty gritty behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, our own opinions, and also talk about the ending.

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Speaker 1: This is a safe space.

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Speaker 2: We've done a bunch of them, so if you haven't

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Speaker 2: heard them before, we will link our favorite ones in

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Speaker 1: They're always our best episodes, right the most.

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Speaker 2: Everyone loves these episodes the most. That's just let's just

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Speaker 2: start back. That's just the fact of life. I want

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Speaker 2: to link Gladiator because that's my favorite one. Which one

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Speaker 1: Oh? Maybe nobody wants this.

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Speaker 2: That's a good five day. That's a good one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So as we just say, we hope you've watched Baby

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Speaker 1: and you need to know what it's about. The baby

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Speaker 1: an erotic thriller. That's how they still do. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: Nicole Kidman is the star of the movie. She plays

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Speaker 2: don't know, Adam, because like you're right, it's these like

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because when I heard that Sophie Wilde, who

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Speaker 2: but you're also like, yes, what did you expect?

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00:19:16,904 --> 00:19:20,264
Speaker 1: I know, I did not expect to take away workplace

430
00:19:20,344 --> 00:19:23,064
Speaker 1: politics from this movie. And I'm sure people who listen

431
00:19:23,064 --> 00:19:24,824
Speaker 1: to the podcast that's not what they're after. But that's

432
00:19:24,864 --> 00:19:25,304
Speaker 1: what we got.

433
00:19:25,344 --> 00:19:26,104
Speaker 2: That's what we got.

434
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:35,464
Speaker 1: Being a se of jeans, being a nurturer and a collaborator.

435
00:19:36,504 --> 00:19:40,864
Speaker 2: You know, what is that what you want?

436
00:19:43,264 --> 00:19:47,584
Speaker 1: Happy fantasies? What do you mean? What's about giving and

437
00:19:47,664 --> 00:19:48,184
Speaker 1: taking hour?

438
00:19:56,344 --> 00:19:57,064
Speaker 2: Whatever you do?

439
00:19:59,264 --> 00:20:01,064
Speaker 1: I know, whatever you know me to do.

440
00:20:02,104 --> 00:20:02,624
Speaker 2: Good girl.

441
00:20:03,504 --> 00:20:05,904
Speaker 1: Other really interesting bit of casting before we move on

442
00:20:05,944 --> 00:20:09,744
Speaker 1: to the sexy scenes is that Romy's daughter Isabelle, the

443
00:20:09,784 --> 00:20:12,064
Speaker 1: other daughter of doesn't really get much spare time. That's fine.

444
00:20:12,144 --> 00:20:15,704
Speaker 1: Romy's orter Isabelle, Yeah me, yeah, Well, the more complex

445
00:20:15,744 --> 00:20:18,024
Speaker 1: one who's going through something, cheating on her girlfriend and

446
00:20:18,024 --> 00:20:20,144
Speaker 1: then is kind of holds a mirror up to some

447
00:20:20,184 --> 00:20:23,784
Speaker 1: things that are happening in her mother's life. Yes, which

448
00:20:23,784 --> 00:20:27,344
Speaker 1: is quite nice. Is played by Esther McGregor, who is

449
00:20:27,504 --> 00:20:30,504
Speaker 1: yemo baby, Yes, an epo baby who you know has

450
00:20:30,544 --> 00:20:32,904
Speaker 1: gotten this role through her father, who is Ewan McGregor,

451
00:20:33,064 --> 00:20:38,384
Speaker 1: who very infamously starred with Nicole Kidman in Maulan Rouge. No,

452
00:20:38,464 --> 00:20:41,344
Speaker 1: he doesn't have it. It had to be Antonio. And again,

453
00:20:41,504 --> 00:20:43,664
Speaker 1: like again, she's great in this role Esther McGregor, and

454
00:20:43,664 --> 00:20:46,144
Speaker 1: I think she's a really interesting actress. But it was

455
00:20:46,184 --> 00:20:48,384
Speaker 1: a big part of the movie's promo. Nicole brought it

456
00:20:48,464 --> 00:20:51,024
Speaker 1: up all the time that was Ewan's daughter who was

457
00:20:51,064 --> 00:20:53,064
Speaker 1: playing her daughter. So it was this kind of big

458
00:20:53,104 --> 00:20:56,344
Speaker 1: circle moment from Mulan Rouge. And you know, whenever any

459
00:20:56,344 --> 00:20:59,824
Speaker 1: publicity information came out about the movie, it was always

460
00:20:59,864 --> 00:21:01,904
Speaker 1: like Esther McGregor, daughter of you. And so it does

461
00:21:01,944 --> 00:21:03,744
Speaker 1: it gives her like a bit of extra promo to

462
00:21:03,744 --> 00:21:06,304
Speaker 1: be in the movie. But she was great, She was good. Okay,

463
00:21:06,344 --> 00:21:09,944
Speaker 1: so we need to talk about the moment where romy

464
00:21:10,104 --> 00:21:12,664
Speaker 1: and Samuel meet for the first time, which is on

465
00:21:12,704 --> 00:21:13,664
Speaker 1: the street with the dog.

466
00:21:13,784 --> 00:21:16,104
Speaker 2: Thoughts, Oh I forgot about that?

467
00:21:16,184 --> 00:21:18,104
Speaker 1: Did she want it? Was an important part of the movie.

468
00:21:18,464 --> 00:21:21,304
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, actually now that you mention it. I

469
00:21:21,424 --> 00:21:23,944
Speaker 2: was thinking of when she was introduced him as like

470
00:21:24,024 --> 00:21:27,104
Speaker 2: the intern in their lock eyes. No, the dog part

471
00:21:27,224 --> 00:21:28,104
Speaker 2: was weird to me.

472
00:21:28,264 --> 00:21:31,064
Speaker 1: It's almost too like meta in terms, like it just

473
00:21:31,144 --> 00:21:32,824
Speaker 1: hits you over the head with the premise of what's

474
00:21:32,824 --> 00:21:35,264
Speaker 1: to come in a way that's almost too heavy handed. Yes,

475
00:21:35,384 --> 00:21:37,904
Speaker 1: like he's taming this dog and the dog submits to him,

476
00:21:37,904 --> 00:21:39,064
Speaker 1: and she's looking at him and she's.

477
00:21:38,944 --> 00:21:42,864
Speaker 2: Getting turned on by Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. I do

478
00:21:42,904 --> 00:21:45,544
Speaker 2: want to say that, like she did what I felt

479
00:21:45,584 --> 00:21:48,104
Speaker 2: like we were all thinking, because I don't know how

480
00:21:48,104 --> 00:21:50,504
Speaker 2: he acted that way, but like in the whole dog scene,

481
00:21:51,024 --> 00:21:53,944
Speaker 2: he knew what he was doing without even realizing it. Yeah,

482
00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:56,304
Speaker 2: he obviously recognized her because he's like, I'm about to

483
00:21:56,344 --> 00:21:58,504
Speaker 2: work for that woman. Yeah, and then he just saw

484
00:21:58,504 --> 00:22:01,544
Speaker 2: something in her eye and then like gently started like

485
00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:06,664
Speaker 2: patting the dog and got really quiet, and the treats

486
00:22:06,704 --> 00:22:09,824
Speaker 2: in his pocket because like after that whole situation, she

487
00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:11,744
Speaker 2: was taking a bak because she got attacked by the dog.

488
00:22:12,104 --> 00:22:14,744
Speaker 2: And then you see them formally meet as like with

489
00:22:14,824 --> 00:22:17,624
Speaker 2: the group of interns, and then she approaches him in

490
00:22:17,664 --> 00:22:19,064
Speaker 2: the kitchen and she was like, how did you get

491
00:22:19,064 --> 00:22:21,064
Speaker 2: that dog to come down? And he was like, I

492
00:22:21,104 --> 00:22:23,664
Speaker 2: had treats in my pocket, do you want one? And

493
00:22:23,704 --> 00:22:26,984
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, And that's.

494
00:22:26,784 --> 00:22:27,544
Speaker 1: Where it starts.

495
00:22:27,584 --> 00:22:29,264
Speaker 2: And he knew he got her in that moment.

496
00:22:29,464 --> 00:22:32,384
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where the power dynamic between them starts to shift.

497
00:22:32,704 --> 00:22:34,264
Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of people like kind of

498
00:22:34,304 --> 00:22:37,264
Speaker 1: mock them. Milk scene in the bar when he sends

499
00:22:37,264 --> 00:22:39,264
Speaker 1: the milk over to her table and they lock eyes

500
00:22:39,584 --> 00:22:41,944
Speaker 1: and she downs in one go, and that it's weird

501
00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:44,144
Speaker 1: how like a tall glass of milk has really become

502
00:22:44,624 --> 00:22:47,104
Speaker 1: almost one of the biggest takeaways in the movie, Like

503
00:22:47,144 --> 00:22:49,304
Speaker 1: to call him in took a glass of milk on

504
00:22:49,384 --> 00:22:51,584
Speaker 1: stage and award show people have handed her milk on

505
00:22:51,664 --> 00:22:54,224
Speaker 1: red carpet. She's posed with glasses of milk. It's become

506
00:22:54,264 --> 00:22:59,144
Speaker 1: a real symbol of like subservience to a sexual partner because.

507
00:22:58,944 --> 00:23:01,864
Speaker 2: It's baby, right, Like only babies drink, and now she's

508
00:23:01,944 --> 00:23:03,784
Speaker 2: like drinking milk and she's the baby girl.

509
00:23:04,024 --> 00:23:05,144
Speaker 1: Yeah, good girl.

510
00:23:05,144 --> 00:23:09,904
Speaker 2: I mean that's not that deep. You're like the amount

511
00:23:09,944 --> 00:23:13,264
Speaker 2: of like critical analysis I've read about this fucking glass

512
00:23:13,264 --> 00:23:15,304
Speaker 2: of milk. It's not that deep, like we all get it.

513
00:23:15,344 --> 00:23:16,864
Speaker 1: I know, Like I said, they're beating you over the

514
00:23:16,864 --> 00:23:19,064
Speaker 1: hair with it. It's not to be this really hidden.

515
00:23:19,704 --> 00:23:22,144
Speaker 2: You're doing something by giving us like a full analog

516
00:23:22,304 --> 00:23:24,144
Speaker 2: of the history of milk. It's not that deep.

517
00:23:24,304 --> 00:23:26,104
Speaker 1: She sees him tame the dog, she wants him to

518
00:23:26,144 --> 00:23:27,944
Speaker 1: tame her. He tells her to drink the milk. She

519
00:23:27,984 --> 00:23:29,944
Speaker 1: does it to sort of signal like I'm in the game,

520
00:23:30,064 --> 00:23:31,344
Speaker 1: and right, it's not that deep.

521
00:23:31,424 --> 00:23:33,184
Speaker 2: And then they like, you have to move on, and

522
00:23:33,224 --> 00:23:33,824
Speaker 2: that's our brutally.

523
00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:38,304
Speaker 1: What did you think about the scenes early on in

524
00:23:38,304 --> 00:23:40,824
Speaker 1: the movie where you see like Roomy kind of running

525
00:23:40,824 --> 00:23:43,624
Speaker 1: her family, running her big business empire, but also having

526
00:23:43,664 --> 00:23:45,944
Speaker 1: to take the time out of her busy dage like

527
00:23:45,984 --> 00:23:48,184
Speaker 1: go and get all her beauty treatments, and actually having

528
00:23:48,184 --> 00:23:51,144
Speaker 1: a shot of a botox needle going into Knockole Kim's

529
00:23:51,184 --> 00:23:52,864
Speaker 1: face because that's not something you see in these kind

530
00:23:52,864 --> 00:23:53,744
Speaker 1: of movies very often.

531
00:23:53,824 --> 00:23:58,624
Speaker 2: Okay, the mentioning of her age without actually mentioning it

532
00:23:58,744 --> 00:24:01,384
Speaker 2: was so scary to me, Like this is probably the

533
00:24:01,384 --> 00:24:04,424
Speaker 2: most the thriller part. Really, this is the thriller because

534
00:24:04,464 --> 00:24:08,424
Speaker 2: I think it's I felt like every mum has experienced this,

535
00:24:08,944 --> 00:24:11,824
Speaker 2: but it's the first time I've actually it in cinema.

536
00:24:11,864 --> 00:24:14,464
Speaker 2: And I want to talk about two instances where the

537
00:24:14,624 --> 00:24:16,904
Speaker 2: fact her age was brought up in a really like

538
00:24:17,384 --> 00:24:20,464
Speaker 2: upsetting way that I found upsetting personally. And the first

539
00:24:20,544 --> 00:24:23,344
Speaker 2: time was when she came down in the kitchen and

540
00:24:23,384 --> 00:24:25,464
Speaker 2: was like telling her daughter to do something and you

541
00:24:25,504 --> 00:24:27,824
Speaker 2: like eat breakfast or something, and her daughter was like,

542
00:24:27,824 --> 00:24:29,384
Speaker 2: why do you get all that shit in your face?

543
00:24:29,424 --> 00:24:32,784
Speaker 2: Like she looks crazy and yeah, and like it's one

544
00:24:32,784 --> 00:24:35,864
Speaker 2: of those things that I feel like not even teenagers,

545
00:24:35,864 --> 00:24:37,224
Speaker 2: but like even like kids who are like a bit

546
00:24:37,264 --> 00:24:40,184
Speaker 2: younger than teenagers, who they know like where to hit

547
00:24:40,264 --> 00:24:43,024
Speaker 2: you at like your most insecure point, and they just

548
00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:44,824
Speaker 2: go hard and they know they can do it because

549
00:24:44,824 --> 00:24:47,664
Speaker 2: they're kids. And it's like something that I feel like

550
00:24:47,904 --> 00:24:50,624
Speaker 2: I've also leant into when I was younger, Like you

551
00:24:50,704 --> 00:24:52,744
Speaker 2: just want to find like hurt someone, so that's the

552
00:24:52,784 --> 00:24:54,944
Speaker 2: first thing you go to. It's so common with young

553
00:24:54,944 --> 00:24:57,624
Speaker 2: girls as well, like you just know that there's a

554
00:24:57,744 --> 00:25:01,424
Speaker 2: deeper reason why you're seeing like older women like make

555
00:25:01,464 --> 00:25:04,184
Speaker 2: these altercations to their faces and their bodies, and you

556
00:25:04,264 --> 00:25:06,024
Speaker 2: know it's like a pain point and then you just

557
00:25:06,064 --> 00:25:08,464
Speaker 2: go hard. Yeah. Yeah, So that was the first time

558
00:25:08,504 --> 00:25:09,584
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god.

559
00:25:09,904 --> 00:25:10,144
Speaker 1: Yeah.

560
00:25:10,744 --> 00:25:12,744
Speaker 2: And as a mom, because she's a mom, she just

561
00:25:12,744 --> 00:25:14,224
Speaker 2: had to be like like roll her eyes and be

562
00:25:14,264 --> 00:25:16,784
Speaker 2: like oh whatever, like that would have genuinely stune, like

563
00:25:16,784 --> 00:25:17,944
Speaker 2: that would have actually.

564
00:25:17,664 --> 00:25:20,384
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because there's a few times in the movie

565
00:25:20,464 --> 00:25:23,384
Speaker 1: when Nicole Kimmen's or Romy's age is like throw it

566
00:25:23,384 --> 00:25:25,944
Speaker 1: in her face through her daughter, and then Samuel does

567
00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:27,304
Speaker 1: it later on, and it's kind.

568
00:25:27,144 --> 00:25:28,064
Speaker 2: Of that's the second run.

569
00:25:28,344 --> 00:25:31,024
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's kind of this reminder that no matter like,

570
00:25:31,064 --> 00:25:34,544
Speaker 1: you can be like conventionally beautiful and attractive, like she is, successful, rich,

571
00:25:34,624 --> 00:25:36,464
Speaker 1: all these things, but the worst thing you can say

572
00:25:36,464 --> 00:25:38,464
Speaker 1: to a woman is that she's old. Yea, even in

573
00:25:38,504 --> 00:25:39,984
Speaker 1: a movie like this, I guess, I mean in a

574
00:25:40,024 --> 00:25:41,904
Speaker 1: movie like this, like it's trying to highlight that as

575
00:25:41,944 --> 00:25:44,144
Speaker 1: a way to be subversive. And I also think it

576
00:25:44,184 --> 00:25:46,824
Speaker 1: was just interesting because Nicole Kimmen is someone who the

577
00:25:47,144 --> 00:25:49,224
Speaker 1: chat around her face and what does she have done

578
00:25:49,224 --> 00:25:51,224
Speaker 1: and how much is she lying about and she never

579
00:25:51,304 --> 00:25:54,024
Speaker 1: talks about it, and then they show the botox needle

580
00:25:54,064 --> 00:25:56,144
Speaker 1: going in. It's almost like alluding to this idea of

581
00:25:56,584 --> 00:25:59,304
Speaker 1: there's always something happening behind the scenes to make a

582
00:25:59,304 --> 00:26:02,024
Speaker 1: woman look like she's worthy of success and worthy to

583
00:26:02,144 --> 00:26:03,624
Speaker 1: like be in the conversation.

584
00:26:03,784 --> 00:26:06,264
Speaker 2: Still, yes, And it's also the way that she reacted

585
00:26:06,304 --> 00:26:08,984
Speaker 2: to those moments. Like the second time, as you mentioned,

586
00:26:09,184 --> 00:26:12,064
Speaker 2: was the time where both her and Samuel were in

587
00:26:12,104 --> 00:26:14,864
Speaker 2: the car and she was telling him that, like she

588
00:26:14,944 --> 00:26:17,544
Speaker 2: doesn't think that they should continue their romantic relationship, and

589
00:26:17,584 --> 00:26:20,264
Speaker 2: she locks the car doors and he freaks out and

590
00:26:20,344 --> 00:26:22,424
Speaker 2: he's like, open the fucking door, open the door. Yeah,

591
00:26:22,424 --> 00:26:24,144
Speaker 2: And he's like, if you think that, like I'm going

592
00:26:24,224 --> 00:26:25,904
Speaker 2: to fall in love with you, I'm not. You're like

593
00:26:25,944 --> 00:26:28,544
Speaker 2: a mom. Yeah, And she's like, okay, just calm down.

594
00:26:28,544 --> 00:26:30,504
Speaker 2: And so things were like if I was in that

595
00:26:30,544 --> 00:26:32,944
Speaker 2: situation like with Samuel and he like called me like

596
00:26:32,984 --> 00:26:35,184
Speaker 2: a mom, would like inverted commas because we know what

597
00:26:35,224 --> 00:26:37,344
Speaker 2: that actually means, what it actually means by that. Plus

598
00:26:37,344 --> 00:26:38,904
Speaker 2: her daughter is saying, why together, that's in your face?

599
00:26:39,144 --> 00:26:41,304
Speaker 2: Is those moments that if I was in that situation,

600
00:26:41,584 --> 00:26:44,544
Speaker 2: I would have like broken down and had and been

601
00:26:44,544 --> 00:26:47,584
Speaker 2: really upset. But because you see her in this position

602
00:26:47,664 --> 00:26:49,864
Speaker 2: like a woman in power, you like kind of can

603
00:26:49,904 --> 00:26:51,904
Speaker 2: tell that she took a real long time to get

604
00:26:51,984 --> 00:26:55,504
Speaker 2: into that position. She can't break down and every single

605
00:26:55,504 --> 00:26:57,144
Speaker 2: time that happens to her, because it would have happened

606
00:26:57,144 --> 00:27:00,144
Speaker 2: to her like constantly. So it gets to a point

607
00:27:00,144 --> 00:27:02,264
Speaker 2: where now when people like dig at her about her

608
00:27:02,304 --> 00:27:04,744
Speaker 2: looks or her age or something about her, she just

609
00:27:04,784 --> 00:27:06,864
Speaker 2: has to brush it off. Yeah, Like she can't react

610
00:27:06,904 --> 00:27:08,704
Speaker 2: because otherwise she'll be racking to everything.

611
00:27:09,024 --> 00:27:11,904
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, oh my god, it's so many laz That's

612
00:27:11,904 --> 00:27:13,624
Speaker 1: an interesting thing about this movie to kind of now

613
00:27:13,664 --> 00:27:15,824
Speaker 1: get into the first time that they hook up, is

614
00:27:15,864 --> 00:27:18,104
Speaker 1: that even though they kept saying like it's an erotic

615
00:27:18,144 --> 00:27:21,624
Speaker 1: thriller or it's an erotic drama, through the whole press tour,

616
00:27:21,704 --> 00:27:24,784
Speaker 1: they were really pushing the drama side of it, and

617
00:27:24,784 --> 00:27:26,744
Speaker 1: no one was really listening because they were just hearing

618
00:27:26,824 --> 00:27:29,504
Speaker 1: orgasms and milk. And so when you come into their

619
00:27:29,504 --> 00:27:32,064
Speaker 1: first sex scene, there's like this really heightened excitement of like, yes,

620
00:27:32,104 --> 00:27:34,784
Speaker 1: we're finally going to see the good stuff, and then

621
00:27:35,024 --> 00:27:36,784
Speaker 1: it doesn't really pan out like that. Like I think

622
00:27:36,784 --> 00:27:38,664
Speaker 1: if you come into this movie thinking it was going

623
00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:40,984
Speaker 1: to be some I know, fifty shades of gray is

624
00:27:41,024 --> 00:27:42,824
Speaker 1: like an offensive term or at the time to the

625
00:27:42,824 --> 00:27:45,304
Speaker 1: BDSM community because they felt like it was off the rails.

626
00:27:45,304 --> 00:27:48,784
Speaker 1: But it does, I think, represent this very commercialized idea

627
00:27:48,784 --> 00:27:53,424
Speaker 1: of taking that particular sexual preference and making it almost

628
00:27:53,424 --> 00:27:56,984
Speaker 1: like a fantasy, like it's this ritually suave man who

629
00:27:57,424 --> 00:28:00,144
Speaker 1: easily can make you orgasm and becomes obsessed with you.

630
00:28:00,544 --> 00:28:03,304
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people were thinking that

631
00:28:03,304 --> 00:28:05,104
Speaker 1: that's what this movie was going to be about. But

632
00:28:05,144 --> 00:28:07,224
Speaker 1: when they get into the hotel room and have sex

633
00:28:07,224 --> 00:28:09,144
Speaker 1: for the first time, it's almost have you seen a

634
00:28:09,144 --> 00:28:12,904
Speaker 1: movie Secretary? Okay, definitely go and watch that. That's Maggie

635
00:28:12,944 --> 00:28:14,824
Speaker 1: Dyllan Hall, but it's a similar kind of thing with

636
00:28:14,864 --> 00:28:18,384
Speaker 1: a workplace BDSM relationship, but it's much closer to how

637
00:28:18,704 --> 00:28:21,224
Speaker 1: that particular sexual preference plays out where they think this

638
00:28:21,384 --> 00:28:23,704
Speaker 1: was a bit of a different dynamic. But I loved

639
00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:26,664
Speaker 1: how you see Roomy come to the hotel room to

640
00:28:26,704 --> 00:28:29,784
Speaker 1: meet him and when she decides to like submit to

641
00:28:29,864 --> 00:28:32,104
Speaker 1: him for the first time, and that's when you see

642
00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:35,624
Speaker 1: like he's not this sexual mastermind or because he has

643
00:28:35,664 --> 00:28:38,944
Speaker 1: been dominating her and being like the more empower one,

644
00:28:39,064 --> 00:28:41,504
Speaker 1: there's always been a push and pull before that, where

645
00:28:41,664 --> 00:28:43,064
Speaker 1: like he would go to kiss her and then she

646
00:28:43,064 --> 00:28:45,024
Speaker 1: would tell him to stop. They still had a power

647
00:28:45,104 --> 00:28:47,504
Speaker 1: in balance between them. But when she finally gives up

648
00:28:47,504 --> 00:28:50,224
Speaker 1: the power and balance, he looks really shocked and doesn't

649
00:28:50,224 --> 00:28:50,744
Speaker 1: know what to do.

650
00:28:50,864 --> 00:28:53,144
Speaker 2: He has no idea. Yeah if his list time as well,

651
00:28:53,144 --> 00:28:54,984
Speaker 2: oh okay, stand.

652
00:28:54,704 --> 00:28:57,624
Speaker 1: By the wall and starts laughing yes, yeah, and then

653
00:28:57,664 --> 00:28:59,744
Speaker 1: he looks in that moment where she says, okay, what

654
00:28:59,744 --> 00:29:02,064
Speaker 1: do I do? And this look of horror goes over

655
00:29:02,104 --> 00:29:04,104
Speaker 1: his face. He looks like someone who'd light in a

656
00:29:04,144 --> 00:29:06,864
Speaker 1: job interview, got the job, went to work, and then

657
00:29:06,984 --> 00:29:09,424
Speaker 1: was like, what do I do? What do I do?

658
00:29:09,584 --> 00:29:12,224
Speaker 2: I've seen so many tiktoks of people saying, you can't

659
00:29:12,264 --> 00:29:14,944
Speaker 2: tell me that this is just terroristic, instant breaking character.

660
00:29:14,984 --> 00:29:16,064
Speaker 2: I don't no idea what to do.

661
00:29:16,384 --> 00:29:18,904
Speaker 1: Well, It's funny because I obviously had an intimacy coordinator

662
00:29:18,944 --> 00:29:21,464
Speaker 1: on set that they spoke with, but they didn't map

663
00:29:21,504 --> 00:29:23,864
Speaker 1: out all the sex scenes as other movies do. Well.

664
00:29:23,904 --> 00:29:26,904
Speaker 1: They'll almost choreographed them where they'll say like, Okay, he's

665
00:29:26,904 --> 00:29:28,544
Speaker 1: going to put his hand here, he's going to pull

666
00:29:28,584 --> 00:29:30,304
Speaker 1: it down to this point in your arm. Then he's

667
00:29:30,304 --> 00:29:31,984
Speaker 1: going to move it across your stomach. Then you're going

668
00:29:32,064 --> 00:29:34,224
Speaker 1: to put your leg up here. Like a lot of

669
00:29:34,264 --> 00:29:36,504
Speaker 1: sex scenes are like that now, where it's completely mapped

670
00:29:36,544 --> 00:29:38,864
Speaker 1: out and no part of anyone else. Yeah, no part

671
00:29:38,864 --> 00:29:42,264
Speaker 1: of anyone's skin gets touched without prior written permission. But

672
00:29:42,384 --> 00:29:44,064
Speaker 1: for Baby Girl, what they did is they just sat

673
00:29:44,104 --> 00:29:46,944
Speaker 1: down with the intimacy coordinator were like, Okay, this is

674
00:29:46,984 --> 00:29:49,344
Speaker 1: my absolute limit and this is what I'll do here,

675
00:29:49,424 --> 00:29:51,584
Speaker 1: and then they just kind of went to town and

676
00:29:51,784 --> 00:29:54,184
Speaker 1: just improvised it over and over again on the day.

677
00:29:54,304 --> 00:29:56,384
Speaker 1: So all those times where she's lying on the ground,

678
00:29:56,424 --> 00:29:58,384
Speaker 1: she starts writing and he's putting his hands on her

679
00:29:58,384 --> 00:30:01,224
Speaker 1: own stuff is a little bit improvised. Did you think

680
00:30:01,264 --> 00:30:01,904
Speaker 1: it was sexy?

681
00:30:02,144 --> 00:30:04,184
Speaker 2: No, yeah, me neither, but not in a bad way.

682
00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:06,424
Speaker 2: Not in a bad way, but in a way where

683
00:30:06,904 --> 00:30:08,344
Speaker 2: I don't know how to explain it.

684
00:30:08,544 --> 00:30:10,144
Speaker 1: I don't actually think it was meant to be sexy

685
00:30:10,184 --> 00:30:11,944
Speaker 1: to whil you know how you said some movies and

686
00:30:11,984 --> 00:30:12,424
Speaker 1: you're watching it.

687
00:30:12,544 --> 00:30:14,824
Speaker 2: Felt quite clinical. But they had a job to do

688
00:30:14,864 --> 00:30:15,864
Speaker 2: when they were executing.

689
00:30:15,984 --> 00:30:19,224
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, the people in the movie never build this

690
00:30:19,304 --> 00:30:21,384
Speaker 1: as the sexiest movie of the year or anything like that.

691
00:30:21,504 --> 00:30:23,904
Speaker 1: The audience did that from the little snippets we were getting,

692
00:30:23,984 --> 00:30:25,904
Speaker 1: which is fair because they were showing the sexy stuff

693
00:30:25,944 --> 00:30:27,384
Speaker 1: to get people to come and watch it. But it

694
00:30:27,424 --> 00:30:29,344
Speaker 1: was so funny. There's so many movies where you watch

695
00:30:29,384 --> 00:30:33,424
Speaker 1: these really like fantasy sex scenes and you're just like, fuck,

696
00:30:33,424 --> 00:30:35,064
Speaker 1: I'd love to be involved in that. And then you're

697
00:30:35,104 --> 00:30:37,904
Speaker 1: watching Baby Girl and you're like, oh no, I wouldn't

698
00:30:37,984 --> 00:30:41,464
Speaker 1: keep die before I go into that room with either

699
00:30:41,504 --> 00:30:43,624
Speaker 1: one of them. But it's so interesting to watch, and

700
00:30:43,664 --> 00:30:45,784
Speaker 1: I think that was very much that's what they wanted.

701
00:30:45,784 --> 00:30:48,784
Speaker 1: They wanted it to be this exploration of who she was,

702
00:30:48,824 --> 00:30:51,024
Speaker 1: and they're doing it through sex. But it's not meant

703
00:30:51,024 --> 00:30:52,784
Speaker 1: to be sexy. You're not meant to wish you were there.

704
00:30:52,904 --> 00:30:54,584
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're meant to, like see, I think you're just

705
00:30:54,664 --> 00:30:58,424
Speaker 2: meant to experience like her trying to figure out like

706
00:30:58,464 --> 00:31:01,624
Speaker 2: her kink basically, which I feel like should only be private.

707
00:31:02,624 --> 00:31:05,384
Speaker 2: You should only like figure out your own kink in

708
00:31:05,424 --> 00:31:08,224
Speaker 2: your own time, bring us along with your jam.

709
00:31:08,344 --> 00:31:10,544
Speaker 1: Off the clock. I guess it does get maybe a

710
00:31:10,624 --> 00:31:13,184
Speaker 1: little bit more fantasy roxy.

711
00:31:13,224 --> 00:31:15,264
Speaker 2: I feel like, are the bits that aren't sex, right?

712
00:31:16,024 --> 00:31:18,624
Speaker 2: Isn't that girl and stuff like that.

713
00:31:18,264 --> 00:31:20,224
Speaker 1: That's such a female thing where we're just like, oh,

714
00:31:20,264 --> 00:31:23,664
Speaker 1: we don't touch me, just like talk or look into

715
00:31:23,704 --> 00:31:25,824
Speaker 1: my eyes and like treat me like a human being

716
00:31:25,904 --> 00:31:28,344
Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, that's such a female thing to be, like, Oh,

717
00:31:28,384 --> 00:31:30,464
Speaker 1: I'm not sort of getting super turned on obviously, Like

718
00:31:30,504 --> 00:31:32,864
Speaker 1: everyone's different, like happy for her, happy for.

719
00:31:32,824 --> 00:31:34,544
Speaker 2: Her, she's achieving for dreams exactly.

720
00:31:34,544 --> 00:31:37,024
Speaker 1: But those first moments in the hotel room or later

721
00:31:37,064 --> 00:31:38,904
Speaker 1: on where they have these like little forbidden moments and

722
00:31:38,904 --> 00:31:43,504
Speaker 1: stuff like that dance that's supposed to be his like sexiest,

723
00:31:43,584 --> 00:31:44,904
Speaker 1: most humanizing moment.

724
00:31:45,064 --> 00:31:46,464
Speaker 2: What would you do in that situation?

725
00:31:46,624 --> 00:31:49,184
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm the wrong person.

726
00:31:48,864 --> 00:31:50,544
Speaker 2: Starts dancing for you.

727
00:31:50,784 --> 00:31:53,744
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends how many times we different.

728
00:31:53,784 --> 00:31:55,344
Speaker 2: It's just like in his own little world.

729
00:31:55,224 --> 00:31:57,864
Speaker 1: Everything's different when you're in a sex haze, though, Like

730
00:31:58,184 --> 00:32:00,304
Speaker 1: we're sitting there watching the movie with our colleagues, like

731
00:32:00,344 --> 00:32:03,784
Speaker 1: and someone's eating popcorns, so we're not gonna have that

732
00:32:03,784 --> 00:32:05,824
Speaker 1: that moment. But I think the most the most like

733
00:32:05,904 --> 00:32:08,624
Speaker 1: romantic scenes, like when they're like in the hotel rooms

734
00:32:08,624 --> 00:32:11,664
Speaker 1: together later on and she's feeling so like fulfilled because

735
00:32:11,664 --> 00:32:13,904
Speaker 1: of all the orgasms. She's finally having three sex that

736
00:32:13,904 --> 00:32:16,344
Speaker 1: she's never had before and they're lying in bed together

737
00:32:16,384 --> 00:32:18,544
Speaker 1: and he's looking into her eyes or they're like he's

738
00:32:18,544 --> 00:32:20,464
Speaker 1: holding her and like just like putting his hands over

739
00:32:20,464 --> 00:32:21,024
Speaker 1: her body, like.

740
00:32:20,984 --> 00:32:23,184
Speaker 2: When they're swimming in the pool. Yeah, or then they

741
00:32:23,184 --> 00:32:26,504
Speaker 2: come out of the pool and yeah, I don't feeling scary.

742
00:32:26,744 --> 00:32:28,584
Speaker 1: It's all those moments that for women we need like

743
00:32:28,584 --> 00:32:31,224
Speaker 1: a real backstory. And obviously no men and women watch

744
00:32:31,264 --> 00:32:33,144
Speaker 1: porn in equal measure, but I think a lot of

745
00:32:33,144 --> 00:32:35,424
Speaker 1: the time with men, like when they watch porn, they

746
00:32:35,464 --> 00:32:37,784
Speaker 1: just need to kind of see the act itself, whereas

747
00:32:38,144 --> 00:32:40,304
Speaker 1: women are like, oh, but what's the backstory or what's

748
00:32:40,344 --> 00:32:42,904
Speaker 1: this person doing or this particular type of stuff for

749
00:32:42,944 --> 00:32:44,384
Speaker 1: it to work for you. And I think that's you

750
00:32:44,424 --> 00:32:46,304
Speaker 1: see those two different elements in the movie.

751
00:32:46,424 --> 00:32:48,944
Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing that I thought was really interesting was

752
00:32:48,944 --> 00:32:53,064
Speaker 2: when Antonio Benders catches them and then him what's the name,

753
00:32:53,184 --> 00:32:53,824
Speaker 2: Jacob Jake.

754
00:32:54,104 --> 00:32:56,984
Speaker 1: I'm like, say, I love how you Antonio. It's Antonia

755
00:32:57,104 --> 00:32:59,024
Speaker 1: Nicole and Harrison.

756
00:32:59,024 --> 00:33:03,824
Speaker 2: It's Jacob Nicole and yeah, Jacob Nicole, and I know

757
00:33:03,944 --> 00:33:07,464
Speaker 2: they will become their characters anyway. When Jacob the husband

758
00:33:07,624 --> 00:33:10,264
Speaker 2: comes and catches them in the Howday House and then

759
00:33:11,024 --> 00:33:13,864
Speaker 2: him and Samuel kind of start punching each other.

760
00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:14,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fair.

761
00:33:15,064 --> 00:33:18,104
Speaker 2: And then the conversation that happened after, I think was

762
00:33:18,144 --> 00:33:21,224
Speaker 2: so interesting where I'm just gonna say, Antonio Manderas, I

763
00:33:21,224 --> 00:33:26,344
Speaker 2: can't no, it's ok. Antonio Mandera says, hadn't even given

764
00:33:26,384 --> 00:33:29,944
Speaker 2: him a characterine Well. Antonio Mendera says to Samuel, do

765
00:33:29,984 --> 00:33:32,864
Speaker 2: you not see she's taking advantage of you? Because I

766
00:33:32,864 --> 00:33:35,864
Speaker 2: feel like we never see that in the heated moment,

767
00:33:36,464 --> 00:33:38,944
Speaker 2: and I think it comes with the role reversal, like

768
00:33:38,984 --> 00:33:42,264
Speaker 2: you could tell that Antonio Benderaz instead of being like

769
00:33:42,544 --> 00:33:47,064
Speaker 2: extremely angry at her straight up, he actually really thinks

770
00:33:47,104 --> 00:33:50,104
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with her, and he's telling this young

771
00:33:50,144 --> 00:33:53,504
Speaker 2: guy like she's taking advantage of you. Get out, like go,

772
00:33:54,424 --> 00:33:58,424
Speaker 2: and that only ever happens like well after, like either

773
00:33:58,464 --> 00:34:01,144
Speaker 2: well after where they've come to terms with it, or

774
00:34:01,184 --> 00:34:02,864
Speaker 2: like if it's like a woman and then she just

775
00:34:02,904 --> 00:34:06,264
Speaker 2: becomes friends with the person's husband's having an affair with

776
00:34:06,384 --> 00:34:08,144
Speaker 2: and then they try to get back at him, Like

777
00:34:08,184 --> 00:34:10,064
Speaker 2: this is the first time I've seen where like both

778
00:34:10,104 --> 00:34:13,224
Speaker 2: these men seeing Nicole as something to like look after

779
00:34:13,464 --> 00:34:15,904
Speaker 2: or fix that they don't put the blame on her.

780
00:34:16,544 --> 00:34:19,904
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's so true. Just too bro is coming together.

781
00:34:20,544 --> 00:34:23,144
Speaker 1: What do you think Then when Antonio van Derres no

782
00:34:23,224 --> 00:34:26,304
Speaker 1: character name starts having essentially a panic attack, like you

783
00:34:26,304 --> 00:34:27,904
Speaker 1: think he's having a heart attack. Then he starts having

784
00:34:27,904 --> 00:34:30,304
Speaker 1: a panic attack, and Samuel.

785
00:34:30,424 --> 00:34:31,744
Speaker 2: Nineteen year old has to come.

786
00:34:32,064 --> 00:34:35,024
Speaker 1: Samuel uses his powers of persuasion to calm him down.

787
00:34:35,424 --> 00:34:39,184
Speaker 2: Gen zirl boss, it's so funny to say.

788
00:34:39,464 --> 00:34:41,784
Speaker 1: The camera flashes to Roamy. She looks concerned when she

789
00:34:41,784 --> 00:34:43,344
Speaker 1: thinks he's having a heart attack, but when she realize

790
00:34:43,384 --> 00:34:45,344
Speaker 1: what's happening, that woman gets the ick so bad.

791
00:34:45,424 --> 00:34:47,704
Speaker 2: Samuel's like, you know what, everyone in my generation has

792
00:34:47,704 --> 00:34:49,904
Speaker 2: some of these. Yeah, yeah, she gets the IX so

793
00:34:49,944 --> 00:34:53,144
Speaker 2: bad that she's like, oh god, yeah, now my situationship

794
00:34:53,224 --> 00:34:54,624
Speaker 2: has to like deal with my husband.

795
00:34:54,864 --> 00:34:59,984
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's attack and she's like out of here.

796
00:35:00,464 --> 00:35:02,264
Speaker 2: I thought that was a really interesting that they left

797
00:35:02,264 --> 00:35:04,704
Speaker 2: that in there. Yeah, that they did it in the

798
00:35:04,704 --> 00:35:08,224
Speaker 2: first place, because it's true. You see, like Antonio Bydnas

799
00:35:08,224 --> 00:35:10,344
Speaker 2: is meant to be like this big hantre like success

800
00:35:10,464 --> 00:35:12,904
Speaker 2: full man with like the beautiful family, and he like

801
00:35:13,024 --> 00:35:16,064
Speaker 2: fully breaks down in that scene like you can't understand,

802
00:35:16,064 --> 00:35:17,904
Speaker 2: like why how is life has gotten so out of hands.

803
00:35:18,024 --> 00:35:19,984
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's interesting because there's so many

804
00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:22,744
Speaker 1: movies where you see the husband finds out the wife

805
00:35:22,784 --> 00:35:25,064
Speaker 1: is having an affair and he gets violent and angry

806
00:35:25,144 --> 00:35:27,504
Speaker 1: and sullid. It's not very often that you see the

807
00:35:27,544 --> 00:35:31,384
Speaker 1: man have that very emotional physical response, which is very realistic.

808
00:35:31,424 --> 00:35:33,664
Speaker 2: But I think it also comes with the power dynamic, right,

809
00:35:33,744 --> 00:35:35,904
Speaker 2: because everything I've seen where like the wife has an

810
00:35:35,944 --> 00:35:38,744
Speaker 2: affairs because the husband's constantly working and she's not getting

811
00:35:38,784 --> 00:35:42,224
Speaker 2: intention whereas like now it's like how could you possibly

812
00:35:42,344 --> 00:35:43,384
Speaker 2: have had time to do?

813
00:35:43,904 --> 00:35:46,544
Speaker 1: It's like ow, Yeah, he actually has a logistics question.

814
00:35:46,704 --> 00:35:48,784
Speaker 1: He was like how did you fit this in? Yeah?

815
00:35:48,784 --> 00:35:51,144
Speaker 2: And I think that reaction from it just kind of

816
00:35:51,184 --> 00:35:54,544
Speaker 2: made more sense than the full anger and like who

817
00:35:54,624 --> 00:35:56,504
Speaker 2: is he? And get out of my house. He's just

818
00:35:56,544 --> 00:35:59,664
Speaker 2: like fully breaking down as like the I guess the

819
00:35:59,704 --> 00:36:01,144
Speaker 2: family man who's trying to keep it all.

820
00:36:01,344 --> 00:36:04,944
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, what a what a what a scene?

821
00:36:05,544 --> 00:36:06,784
Speaker 2: Antonio banderas Stanti.

822
00:36:07,144 --> 00:36:09,664
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that man's okay. And to finish off,

823
00:36:09,664 --> 00:36:11,824
Speaker 1: what did you think the ending? Because I'm really in

824
00:36:11,864 --> 00:36:14,744
Speaker 1: two minds about it. On one side, I felt it

825
00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:16,464
Speaker 1: was just I felt it was a bit mess I

826
00:36:16,464 --> 00:36:17,784
Speaker 1: thought it was a bit of a cop out in

827
00:36:17,824 --> 00:36:20,184
Speaker 1: some ways, and a bit like very like a fantasy

828
00:36:20,224 --> 00:36:23,904
Speaker 1: element of like this woman's feeling unfulfilled in her perfect life,

829
00:36:23,904 --> 00:36:25,464
Speaker 1: and she goes up and have a wild fling, and

830
00:36:25,464 --> 00:36:27,904
Speaker 1: then she goes back to her happy marriage, taking with

831
00:36:27,984 --> 00:36:30,464
Speaker 1: her the lessons of the fling, and everything is perfect.

832
00:36:31,184 --> 00:36:33,184
Speaker 1: That's how at first I was like, that feels like

833
00:36:33,224 --> 00:36:35,384
Speaker 1: a bit of a copper out to have everything tied

834
00:36:35,464 --> 00:36:37,864
Speaker 1: up so neatly in this perfect little bow, like this

835
00:36:37,944 --> 00:36:39,944
Speaker 1: is a little Hallmark movie when you were trying to

836
00:36:39,944 --> 00:36:42,544
Speaker 1: be subversive. But then I actually thought the more I

837
00:36:42,584 --> 00:36:44,024
Speaker 1: thought about it, because I have thought about this movie

838
00:36:44,064 --> 00:36:46,024
Speaker 1: quite a lot since we saw it, then I started

839
00:36:46,064 --> 00:36:48,784
Speaker 1: to think, is it more subversive to have a woman

840
00:36:49,264 --> 00:36:52,064
Speaker 1: be able to go off and not be this perfect

841
00:36:52,104 --> 00:36:54,704
Speaker 1: step Ford wife and go off and have this exploration

842
00:36:54,824 --> 00:36:57,464
Speaker 1: and finally be upfront about what she needs to be

843
00:36:57,504 --> 00:37:00,624
Speaker 1: sexually fulfilled and not be shamed for it, not be

844
00:37:00,704 --> 00:37:04,184
Speaker 1: punished for it, because in so many movies when women

845
00:37:04,304 --> 00:37:07,184
Speaker 1: go off and get fulfilled sexually, they get punished at

846
00:37:07,184 --> 00:37:09,264
Speaker 1: the end of the movie because their husband leaves them

847
00:37:09,344 --> 00:37:11,024
Speaker 1: or their children turn away from them, or their lover

848
00:37:11,104 --> 00:37:13,624
Speaker 1: doesn't want them anymore, or they have to grovel and

849
00:37:13,664 --> 00:37:16,144
Speaker 1: apologize and promise they'll never do it again. And she

850
00:37:16,184 --> 00:37:19,064
Speaker 1: didn't do that, So is it more subversive that she

851
00:37:19,184 --> 00:37:21,384
Speaker 1: got that and then she got her life and then

852
00:37:21,424 --> 00:37:22,584
Speaker 1: she took one at.

853
00:37:22,464 --> 00:37:23,664
Speaker 2: The end of the day, she did win.

854
00:37:23,744 --> 00:37:26,224
Speaker 1: I like that. We don't usually see women win when

855
00:37:26,264 --> 00:37:27,504
Speaker 1: sex is involved in movies.

856
00:37:27,864 --> 00:37:30,464
Speaker 2: I thought it was more like, we see her so

857
00:37:30,464 --> 00:37:33,344
Speaker 2: we see that, like she taught Antonio Benderoz how she

858
00:37:33,464 --> 00:37:35,464
Speaker 2: likes to be pleasured, and then he was taking that

859
00:37:35,584 --> 00:37:37,784
Speaker 2: on and feedback on at the end where they were

860
00:37:37,784 --> 00:37:40,344
Speaker 2: having sex. But I saw it in a way because

861
00:37:40,344 --> 00:37:42,224
Speaker 2: do you remember, like in those like in between scenes,

862
00:37:42,264 --> 00:37:46,864
Speaker 2: she was trying like some really hardcore therapy hypnotized sessions

863
00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:49,384
Speaker 2: of trying to like go through what happened to her

864
00:37:49,624 --> 00:37:52,024
Speaker 2: as a child, to try to figure out why she's

865
00:37:52,064 --> 00:37:54,624
Speaker 2: so obsessed with a specific king. Yeah, And I thought

866
00:37:54,664 --> 00:37:56,264
Speaker 2: that was a way of telling to us, like, she

867
00:37:56,464 --> 00:37:59,744
Speaker 2: never will be sexually satisfied. Ye, She'll always want something

868
00:37:59,784 --> 00:38:03,144
Speaker 2: more and something different and something more unusual. Because like

869
00:38:03,504 --> 00:38:06,184
Speaker 2: in that end sex scene with Antonio Benderoz, you can

870
00:38:06,224 --> 00:38:09,064
Speaker 2: still see the uncertainty in both of their faces. She

871
00:38:09,144 --> 00:38:12,624
Speaker 2: does like orgasm, that general noise, but I feel like

872
00:38:12,664 --> 00:38:15,824
Speaker 2: we're left with them uncertainty that will be like every

873
00:38:15,904 --> 00:38:18,544
Speaker 2: time they have sex. Yeah, And I feel like it's

874
00:38:18,704 --> 00:38:20,824
Speaker 2: one of those things where she could possibly take on

875
00:38:20,864 --> 00:38:23,264
Speaker 2: a new lover and they'll just keep going yeah.

876
00:38:23,424 --> 00:38:25,424
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's such an interesting take. And also, like in

877
00:38:25,464 --> 00:38:28,984
Speaker 1: Fairness to Romi is a character before she really gets

878
00:38:29,424 --> 00:38:32,104
Speaker 1: very involved in this affair, she does try to tell

879
00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:35,304
Speaker 1: Antonio Banderas how she wants to have sex, and she

880
00:38:35,344 --> 00:38:36,824
Speaker 1: tries to show him it's like that when she like

881
00:38:36,864 --> 00:38:38,784
Speaker 1: lies down, puts a pillow over face and go, I

882
00:38:38,784 --> 00:38:40,464
Speaker 1: want it like this someone like this, and then he

883
00:38:40,504 --> 00:38:43,384
Speaker 1: tries when he starts giggling. It's kind of like the

884
00:38:43,384 --> 00:38:45,584
Speaker 1: most shameful thing you can do is laugh at someone

885
00:38:45,624 --> 00:38:51,984
Speaker 1: when they tell you what they're in front. How long

886
00:38:52,024 --> 00:38:54,304
Speaker 1: you've been married, yeah, which is kind of the most

887
00:38:54,304 --> 00:38:57,424
Speaker 1: shameful thing. So later on that you see how they've

888
00:38:57,424 --> 00:38:59,824
Speaker 1: got to their point in this relationship. And this woman

889
00:38:59,864 --> 00:39:02,864
Speaker 1: has been humiliated many times throughout the movie, but she

890
00:39:02,944 --> 00:39:05,904
Speaker 1: comes out on top. So maybe that is subversive. Man,

891
00:39:06,264 --> 00:39:07,824
Speaker 1: it is a drama. At the end of the day.

892
00:39:08,024 --> 00:39:16,984
Speaker 1: Look at that they proved us wrong. The weekend watch. Okay,

893
00:39:17,144 --> 00:39:19,624
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, because it's now time after all that,

894
00:39:19,824 --> 00:39:21,544
Speaker 1: for we can watch. Yes, I'm not gonna leave you

895
00:39:21,544 --> 00:39:23,664
Speaker 1: hanging if you're looking for something else new to watch

896
00:39:23,664 --> 00:39:27,864
Speaker 1: this week after taking all that Baby Girl information. So obviously,

897
00:39:28,064 --> 00:39:31,384
Speaker 1: the really big release of this week is Apple Cider Vininger,

898
00:39:31,664 --> 00:39:34,464
Speaker 1: the new Netflix series based on the story It's not.

899
00:39:34,584 --> 00:39:36,904
Speaker 2: Way to finish it, I'm itching to get out.

900
00:39:36,984 --> 00:39:38,784
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you've got a few more episodes to go,

901
00:39:39,384 --> 00:39:41,064
Speaker 1: which is the story of Bell Gibson, bit of a

902
00:39:41,064 --> 00:39:43,664
Speaker 1: fictionalized story. We did already talk about that this week,

903
00:39:43,744 --> 00:39:46,144
Speaker 1: but if you miss that episode, just know that that

904
00:39:46,304 --> 00:39:49,144
Speaker 1: is the TV show that you should be binging this weekend,

905
00:39:49,144 --> 00:39:51,264
Speaker 1: Apple Side of Vininger on Netflix, because we're going to

906
00:39:51,304 --> 00:39:53,424
Speaker 1: talk about it again next week. But if you've already

907
00:39:53,464 --> 00:39:55,144
Speaker 1: watched that, you're looking for something else, I have a

908
00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:57,544
Speaker 1: movie to bring to your attention. This is one of

909
00:39:57,584 --> 00:39:59,384
Speaker 1: those times, and we can watch where I'm gonna call

910
00:39:59,424 --> 00:40:02,104
Speaker 1: it less of a recommendation and more of an FYI.

911
00:40:02,184 --> 00:40:04,104
Speaker 1: This is out if you want to watch it, and

912
00:40:04,184 --> 00:40:06,544
Speaker 1: it's a movie called Kind of Pregnant, which just came

913
00:40:06,584 --> 00:40:09,264
Speaker 1: out on Netflix this week. Do you ever tool like.

914
00:40:09,384 --> 00:40:11,264
Speaker 2: Such a big lie you don't know how to get

915
00:40:11,304 --> 00:40:11,704
Speaker 2: out of it?

916
00:40:12,224 --> 00:40:15,104
Speaker 1: How's your pregnancy going? Oh my god, how cute?

917
00:40:15,344 --> 00:40:19,904
Speaker 2: Now, culle Face almost tore my ass while open. I've

918
00:40:19,944 --> 00:40:22,224
Speaker 2: always known I want a family. Have you ever dated

919
00:40:22,224 --> 00:40:23,224
Speaker 2: a pregnant one?

920
00:40:23,264 --> 00:40:24,984
Speaker 1: You're the least pregnant person.

921
00:40:24,784 --> 00:40:26,264
Speaker 2: I've ever Wow, Yeah, any waits on?

922
00:40:26,304 --> 00:40:26,904
Speaker 1: They're crowning.

923
00:40:26,984 --> 00:40:28,784
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want them to be like two weeks away

924
00:40:28,824 --> 00:40:29,424
Speaker 2: from dropping.

925
00:40:30,344 --> 00:40:32,304
Speaker 1: So the reason I sat down to watch this movie

926
00:40:32,424 --> 00:40:36,144
Speaker 1: is that it stars and was co written by Amy Schumer. Now.

927
00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:38,104
Speaker 1: I know Amy Schumer gets a lot of flak because

928
00:40:38,104 --> 00:40:40,944
Speaker 1: she's had a few less than stellar releases in the

929
00:40:40,984 --> 00:40:43,264
Speaker 1: last couple of years, but I have found a lot

930
00:40:43,304 --> 00:40:45,064
Speaker 1: of her comedy very funny over the years.

931
00:40:45,104 --> 00:40:46,264
Speaker 2: I haven't seen her in a while.

932
00:40:46,624 --> 00:40:48,544
Speaker 1: I think she does tour and she does bits and pieces,

933
00:40:48,544 --> 00:40:51,304
Speaker 1: but she hasn't had like a really big movie release,

934
00:40:51,344 --> 00:40:53,864
Speaker 1: I think since Snatched the Goldihorn movie that came out

935
00:40:53,904 --> 00:40:56,824
Speaker 1: many years ago now. But I always think Inside Amy Schumer,

936
00:40:56,864 --> 00:41:00,224
Speaker 1: which was her Comedy Central sketch show, was really groundbreaking.

937
00:41:00,224 --> 00:41:02,104
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of her stand up she's amazing.

938
00:41:02,344 --> 00:41:03,944
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just always find her funny, so

939
00:41:03,944 --> 00:41:06,984
Speaker 1: I'm always happy to support an Amy Schumer project. This

940
00:41:07,024 --> 00:41:09,904
Speaker 1: one was fine, is all I'm gonna say so. In

941
00:41:09,944 --> 00:41:13,064
Speaker 1: the movie, Amy Schumer plays a school teacher named Laney

942
00:41:13,544 --> 00:41:16,624
Speaker 1: and her best friend is played by Jillian Bell, who's

943
00:41:16,624 --> 00:41:19,584
Speaker 1: another comedic genius who've had on the Spill before, plays

944
00:41:19,584 --> 00:41:22,304
Speaker 1: her best friend, Kate. She's a school teacher. She's always

945
00:41:22,344 --> 00:41:24,784
Speaker 1: dreamed of being a mother, but her long term relationship

946
00:41:24,784 --> 00:41:27,664
Speaker 1: has just ended when Kate, her best friend, announces that

947
00:41:27,704 --> 00:41:32,144
Speaker 1: she's pregnant and Amy Schumer's character, Laney, is obviously happy

948
00:41:32,184 --> 00:41:34,744
Speaker 1: with her, but very jealous, and then, in a setup

949
00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:37,104
Speaker 1: that can only happen in a Netflix movie like this,

950
00:41:37,344 --> 00:41:39,744
Speaker 1: she decides that she will pretend to be pregnant so

951
00:41:39,744 --> 00:41:41,704
Speaker 1: she can kind of be like accepted by that world

952
00:41:41,784 --> 00:41:43,824
Speaker 1: and see what it's like. And that leads to like

953
00:41:43,864 --> 00:41:46,624
Speaker 1: a lot of funny moments, a lot of physical comedy

954
00:41:46,624 --> 00:41:48,824
Speaker 1: from Amy Schumer, a lot of like pregnancy body joke,

955
00:41:48,824 --> 00:41:50,904
Speaker 1: because that's always kind of her area that she's really

956
00:41:50,944 --> 00:41:52,784
Speaker 1: good and is just making those kind of big jokes

957
00:41:52,824 --> 00:41:56,504
Speaker 1: at her expense. That also point like a bigger conversation. Obviously,

958
00:41:56,544 --> 00:41:59,144
Speaker 1: things start to go awry as the movie goes on

959
00:41:59,184 --> 00:42:01,584
Speaker 1: because she's not pregnant, so eventually her secret with all

960
00:42:01,584 --> 00:42:03,704
Speaker 1: these people that she's bonded with will be found out.

961
00:42:03,704 --> 00:42:05,744
Speaker 1: But she also starts dating and falling in love with

962
00:42:05,784 --> 00:42:07,984
Speaker 1: this s guy, so she does get pregnant, but then

963
00:42:08,024 --> 00:42:10,504
Speaker 1: she's gonna explain to him that she's not actually pregnant,

964
00:42:10,544 --> 00:42:12,224
Speaker 1: which is a bit of you know, every love story

965
00:42:12,264 --> 00:42:13,544
Speaker 1: has to have a bit of a foil, and for

966
00:42:13,584 --> 00:42:15,784
Speaker 1: this one, it's I'm lying about being pregnant. This is

967
00:42:15,784 --> 00:42:16,384
Speaker 1: a fake bump.

968
00:42:16,464 --> 00:42:17,184
Speaker 2: That's so fine.

969
00:42:17,184 --> 00:42:20,224
Speaker 1: So what I'll say is like, it's fine. Jillian Bell's great,

970
00:42:20,264 --> 00:42:22,744
Speaker 1: Amy Schumer is great. It's needed something to really elevate

971
00:42:22,784 --> 00:42:25,904
Speaker 1: it to be like a really groundbreaking comedy. But I'll

972
00:42:25,944 --> 00:42:27,344
Speaker 1: just say, like, it's a nice movie to put on

973
00:42:27,344 --> 00:42:30,664
Speaker 1: the weekend. It's just really like a fun, really easy

974
00:42:30,704 --> 00:42:32,424
Speaker 1: watch as long as you go into it knowing it's

975
00:42:32,424 --> 00:42:35,184
Speaker 1: not going to be this really sharp, groundbreaking comedy that

976
00:42:35,264 --> 00:42:37,944
Speaker 1: maybe you had expected from an Amy Schumer type before.

977
00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:40,864
Speaker 1: But yeah, kind of Pregnant on Netflix. It's kind of good,

978
00:42:41,744 --> 00:42:42,384
Speaker 1: not great.

979
00:42:42,264 --> 00:42:44,824
Speaker 2: It's kind of good, kind of pregnant, kind of good. Yes,

980
00:42:45,144 --> 00:42:46,224
Speaker 2: I've got a recommendation.

981
00:42:46,464 --> 00:42:48,144
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's great because it's the time of the

982
00:42:48,144 --> 00:42:48,584
Speaker 1: show for that.

983
00:42:48,664 --> 00:42:51,024
Speaker 2: I feel really proud of this one because I got

984
00:42:51,104 --> 00:42:52,744
Speaker 2: sneaky little screeners.

985
00:42:53,504 --> 00:42:56,064
Speaker 1: Well now she's getting screeners. She feels like a professional.

986
00:42:57,704 --> 00:43:01,184
Speaker 2: So I watched this whole first season of this show. Wow,

987
00:43:01,264 --> 00:43:03,944
Speaker 2: hoping that's second Thason kind. I'm obsessed. It's out right

988
00:43:03,984 --> 00:43:10,944
Speaker 2: now on Prime. It's called Clean Slate's really.

989
00:43:10,784 --> 00:43:11,784
Speaker 1: In a good time right now.

990
00:43:11,984 --> 00:43:13,744
Speaker 2: My son's coming in, Dad.

991
00:43:14,704 --> 00:43:17,224
Speaker 1: I'm your daughter, Desiree.

992
00:43:17,984 --> 00:43:24,544
Speaker 2: I've always been Desiree. We haven't spoken on a law.

993
00:43:24,664 --> 00:43:29,824
Speaker 1: How long is what happened? This place looks exactly the same.

994
00:43:30,104 --> 00:43:31,904
Speaker 1: I don't know what they say. If they ain't broke,

995
00:43:32,144 --> 00:43:34,664
Speaker 1: don't that's broke.

996
00:43:34,904 --> 00:43:39,744
Speaker 2: I gotta fix it. How about crash with you? The

997
00:43:39,984 --> 00:43:41,064
Speaker 2: crashing when you're whole.

998
00:43:42,104 --> 00:43:43,784
Speaker 1: Until they're gonna have to be decorated.

999
00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:47,064
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I have heard of this and it stars

1000
00:43:47,224 --> 00:43:50,584
Speaker 2: Levine Cox and you might know Levenet just being an

1001
00:43:50,584 --> 00:43:53,464
Speaker 2: absolute angel. But I think most people saw her for

1002
00:43:53,504 --> 00:43:55,504
Speaker 2: the first time on Orange is a New Black, which

1003
00:43:55,544 --> 00:43:59,344
Speaker 2: he absolutely nailed that role. It is a comedy. It

1004
00:43:59,464 --> 00:44:03,424
Speaker 2: is so funny, so it stars Lemon Clox obviously as Desiree,

1005
00:44:03,624 --> 00:44:06,624
Speaker 2: and her father is played by George Wallace, who, if

1006
00:44:06,664 --> 00:44:09,824
Speaker 2: you don't know, he is like a massive stand up

1007
00:44:09,824 --> 00:44:12,384
Speaker 2: comedian in the US. He's been around for years and

1008
00:44:12,424 --> 00:44:14,504
Speaker 2: years and years, and like he's come back to do

1009
00:44:14,544 --> 00:44:17,984
Speaker 2: this show. He plays Harry, who's like a car wash owner.

1010
00:44:18,424 --> 00:44:21,184
Speaker 2: And then his a strange child comes to visit him

1011
00:44:21,224 --> 00:44:24,664
Speaker 2: after seventeen years and he realizes that his estrange child

1012
00:44:24,744 --> 00:44:28,144
Speaker 2: has transitioned into a woman's man Cox and she moves

1013
00:44:28,184 --> 00:44:30,144
Speaker 2: in with him, and then they just kind of have

1014
00:44:30,264 --> 00:44:33,104
Speaker 2: this like really fun relationship where they're starting to learn

1015
00:44:33,144 --> 00:44:37,784
Speaker 2: about each other again. It is so freakin' funny. Someone

1016
00:44:37,864 --> 00:44:39,504
Speaker 2: I feel like you would know who's in the show.

1017
00:44:39,824 --> 00:44:41,984
Speaker 2: So he was so he's so hot, you would know

1018
00:44:42,744 --> 00:44:44,704
Speaker 2: he's so hot. And I looked, I was like, where

1019
00:44:44,704 --> 00:44:45,664
Speaker 2: has he been in before?

1020
00:44:45,744 --> 00:44:46,984
Speaker 1: Go? And now for beat? If I don't know who

1021
00:44:47,024 --> 00:44:47,424
Speaker 1: he is, I.

1022
00:44:47,344 --> 00:44:48,784
Speaker 2: Want to say his name. Wait, let me can find

1023
00:44:48,784 --> 00:44:50,624
Speaker 2: his name, Jay Wilkinson.

1024
00:44:50,824 --> 00:44:52,224
Speaker 1: I'd have to see a picture.

1025
00:44:51,944 --> 00:44:58,504
Speaker 2: And Younger, Oh, who, let me show you a photo?

1026
00:44:58,504 --> 00:45:01,144
Speaker 1: Okay, show me a photo. Obviously I know everyone in Younger,

1027
00:45:01,144 --> 00:45:02,384
Speaker 1: but that name doesn't ring a bell.

1028
00:45:02,864 --> 00:45:06,384
Speaker 2: This guy. He's doesn't look good here, but he's so

1029
00:45:06,544 --> 00:45:07,424
Speaker 2: hot in the show.

1030
00:45:08,024 --> 00:45:10,504
Speaker 1: Oh it's that Kelsey's boyfriend in Younger, and then he

1031
00:45:10,544 --> 00:45:12,424
Speaker 1: came back as his twin after her boyfriend was killed.

1032
00:45:12,464 --> 00:45:13,704
Speaker 2: I don't know, I haven't watched it.

1033
00:45:13,784 --> 00:45:16,584
Speaker 1: You watch Younger. Oh, that's such a big issue to

1034
00:45:16,624 --> 00:45:19,624
Speaker 1: talk about. Okay, all right, Yeah, that guy great, he's

1035
00:45:19,624 --> 00:45:20,144
Speaker 1: so hot.

1036
00:45:20,384 --> 00:45:22,424
Speaker 2: He plays her love interests okay, and they have like

1037
00:45:22,464 --> 00:45:24,824
Speaker 2: a really cute like because he's like an ex convict

1038
00:45:24,824 --> 00:45:26,864
Speaker 2: and he has like the sassy daughter and then she

1039
00:45:26,944 --> 00:45:28,424
Speaker 2: tries to get on both their sides and they both

1040
00:45:28,464 --> 00:45:31,144
Speaker 2: love her. It is so funny because like there's only

1041
00:45:31,264 --> 00:45:33,504
Speaker 2: just come out, so there's not that much out there,

1042
00:45:33,664 --> 00:45:35,584
Speaker 2: like information about it. But I was reading some of

1043
00:45:35,624 --> 00:45:39,304
Speaker 2: the comments on YouTube, and so many people were saying

1044
00:45:39,304 --> 00:45:42,064
Speaker 2: that this is a kind of comedy that they've always wanted.

1045
00:45:42,224 --> 00:45:45,544
Speaker 2: Like it's so diversity and representation is so important in

1046
00:45:45,584 --> 00:45:47,584
Speaker 2: cinema and TV, and I feel like we are getting

1047
00:45:47,624 --> 00:45:49,704
Speaker 2: more of it. But it feels like that those like

1048
00:45:49,784 --> 00:45:53,104
Speaker 2: big stories, especially about the trans community, are always either

1049
00:45:53,144 --> 00:45:57,784
Speaker 2: like thrillers or like horrors or dramas or like really

1050
00:45:57,824 --> 00:46:00,464
Speaker 2: like slow sad coming of ages, and at that time

1051
00:46:00,504 --> 00:46:03,144
Speaker 2: it was really important. But this is just such a fun,

1052
00:46:03,504 --> 00:46:06,504
Speaker 2: light hearted comedy and it's so good to see representation

1053
00:46:06,624 --> 00:46:11,784
Speaker 2: across all genres. Laverne Cox is freaking hilarious, so so funny.

1054
00:46:11,984 --> 00:46:13,984
Speaker 2: I want everyone to watch this. It's just like one

1055
00:46:13,984 --> 00:46:16,344
Speaker 2: of those really feel good TV shows that you could

1056
00:46:16,384 --> 00:46:18,744
Speaker 2: literally turn on any episode and you'll be like, this

1057
00:46:18,824 --> 00:46:23,504
Speaker 2: is just fun. It's just fun on Prime Video. Thank

1058
00:46:23,544 --> 00:46:26,184
Speaker 2: you so much for listening to The Spill today, Baby girls,

1059
00:46:26,184 --> 00:46:28,464
Speaker 2: We love you so much. The Spill is produced by

1060
00:46:28,544 --> 00:46:31,344
Speaker 2: Kimberly Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik. We will

1061
00:46:31,384 --> 00:46:33,224
Speaker 2: be back here in your podcast Weed at three pm

1062
00:46:33,264 --> 00:46:33,784
Speaker 2: on Monday.

1063
00:46:34,104 --> 00:46:40,664
Speaker 1: Bye bye,