1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:22,134 --> 00:00:25,374 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily 5 00:00:25,454 --> 00:00:29,774 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Australia's birthrate is teetering on the 6 00:00:29,854 --> 00:00:32,454 Speaker 2: edge of a new low. So is it time to 7 00:00:32,574 --> 00:00:35,814 Speaker 2: dust off the baby bonus and try to reboot the population. 8 00:00:36,574 --> 00:00:39,574 Speaker 2: Let's break down what the numbers say, why families are 9 00:00:39,574 --> 00:00:43,854 Speaker 2: holding back, and whether the cash injection actually worked last time. 10 00:00:44,494 --> 00:00:46,494 Speaker 2: Before we get there, here is Claire Murphy with the 11 00:00:46,534 --> 00:00:49,934 Speaker 2: latest from the Quickie newsroom for Monday, July twenty one. 12 00:00:50,454 --> 00:00:53,534 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Tasmanians may not find out who will govern 13 00:00:53,574 --> 00:00:56,494 Speaker 1: them for some time, as election votes accounted and major 14 00:00:56,534 --> 00:00:59,014 Speaker 1: parties attempt to make deals with the crossbench to form 15 00:00:59,094 --> 00:01:03,334 Speaker 1: minority government. The incumbent Liberals won fourteen seats, five more 16 00:01:03,374 --> 00:01:06,894 Speaker 1: than labor On nine in Saturday snap election, but neither 17 00:01:06,974 --> 00:01:10,214 Speaker 1: have reached the eighteen seat mark required for major a. 18 00:01:10,254 --> 00:01:13,894 Speaker 1: Liberal Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe, whose refusal to resign after losing 19 00:01:13,894 --> 00:01:16,814 Speaker 1: a no confidence vote spark the poll, has been given 20 00:01:16,894 --> 00:01:20,654 Speaker 1: first crack at forming government by Labor leader Dean Winter. However, 21 00:01:20,774 --> 00:01:23,294 Speaker 1: Winter hasn't ruled out trying to get the numbers to govern. 22 00:01:23,614 --> 00:01:26,574 Speaker 1: If mister Rockcliffe is unable to form a working government, 23 00:01:27,014 --> 00:01:29,574 Speaker 1: it could be weeks for three in doubt seats to 24 00:01:29,574 --> 00:01:33,894 Speaker 1: be confirmed via preferences, and any formal minority agreements might 25 00:01:33,934 --> 00:01:37,014 Speaker 1: not be arranged until after the numbers are settled. Mister 26 00:01:37,094 --> 00:01:39,974 Speaker 1: Rockliffe on Sunday said he'd reached out to Independence on 27 00:01:40,014 --> 00:01:43,134 Speaker 1: the cross Bench, pledging to work collaboratively, but it was 28 00:01:43,174 --> 00:01:45,814 Speaker 1: the Liberals failure to keep the cross Bench on side 29 00:01:45,854 --> 00:01:49,054 Speaker 1: in minority that resulted in an early election in March 30 00:01:49,134 --> 00:01:52,294 Speaker 1: last year, as well as the successful no confidence vote 31 00:01:52,294 --> 00:01:56,334 Speaker 1: against mister Rockliffe in June. The Israeli military has issued 32 00:01:56,334 --> 00:01:59,974 Speaker 1: evacuation orders in areas of central Gaza packed with displaced 33 00:02:00,014 --> 00:02:03,214 Speaker 1: Palestinians where it hasn't operated so far in its war 34 00:02:03,254 --> 00:02:06,014 Speaker 1: with Maas. While medics say at least thirty people have 35 00:02:06,094 --> 00:02:09,694 Speaker 1: been killed waiting for aid. The military evacuation demand, which 36 00:02:09,734 --> 00:02:13,534 Speaker 1: could signal an imminent attack on neighborhoods in dear Albala, 37 00:02:13,574 --> 00:02:16,814 Speaker 1: alarmed the families of Israeli hostages who fear their relatives 38 00:02:16,854 --> 00:02:19,814 Speaker 1: are being held there. The Israeli military dropped leaflets from 39 00:02:19,854 --> 00:02:23,774 Speaker 1: the sky ordering people in several districts in southwest dear Albala, 40 00:02:23,814 --> 00:02:26,854 Speaker 1: where hundreds of thousands of displaced Garzans have been sheltering 41 00:02:27,094 --> 00:02:30,254 Speaker 1: to leave their homes and head further south. Meanwhile, health 42 00:02:30,294 --> 00:02:33,414 Speaker 1: officials at Alshifa Hospital in northern Gaza said at least 43 00:02:33,414 --> 00:02:37,054 Speaker 1: thirty Palestinians were killed and dozens of others wounded by 44 00:02:37,174 --> 00:02:40,334 Speaker 1: Israeli fire as crowds gathered to await the entry of 45 00:02:40,494 --> 00:02:43,934 Speaker 1: United Nations aid trucks. Israel's military said it was checking 46 00:02:43,934 --> 00:02:47,694 Speaker 1: the report. Palestinian health officials said hundreds of people could 47 00:02:47,774 --> 00:02:51,574 Speaker 1: soon die as hospitals were inundated, with patients suffering from 48 00:02:51,694 --> 00:02:54,854 Speaker 1: dizziness and exhaustion due to the scarcity of food and 49 00:02:54,894 --> 00:02:58,054 Speaker 1: a collapse in aid deliveries, warning that hundreds of people 50 00:02:58,054 --> 00:03:00,854 Speaker 1: whose bodies have wasted away are at risk of imminent 51 00:03:00,894 --> 00:03:04,054 Speaker 1: death due to hunger. The UN also said civilians were 52 00:03:04,054 --> 00:03:07,614 Speaker 1: starving and need an urgent influx of aid. Late Night 53 00:03:07,654 --> 00:03:10,534 Speaker 1: hosts have been voicing their support for Stevefae Colbert after 54 00:03:10,574 --> 00:03:13,054 Speaker 1: he announced CBS will cancel the Late Show in May 55 00:03:13,334 --> 00:03:16,374 Speaker 1: amid rumors the show was acts to appease US President 56 00:03:16,414 --> 00:03:18,974 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and allowed the smooth sale of the show's 57 00:03:19,054 --> 00:03:22,174 Speaker 1: parent company. Jimmy Fallon said he was just as shocked 58 00:03:22,174 --> 00:03:26,174 Speaker 1: as everyone. Seth Meyers called Colbert a great host and comedian, 59 00:03:26,174 --> 00:03:28,814 Speaker 1: but an even better person. John Oliver said he was 60 00:03:28,814 --> 00:03:31,094 Speaker 1: excited to see what Colbert and his team will do 61 00:03:31,254 --> 00:03:34,214 Speaker 1: during the final ten months of the program. Jimmy Kimmel 62 00:03:34,294 --> 00:03:37,694 Speaker 1: directed an expletive at CBS, and Andy Cohen said it 63 00:03:37,734 --> 00:03:40,574 Speaker 1: was a sad day for the network. As for Donald Trump, 64 00:03:40,654 --> 00:03:44,294 Speaker 1: a frequent target of Colbert's comedy, he said on Truth Social, 65 00:03:44,494 --> 00:03:48,454 Speaker 1: I absolutely love that Colbert was fired. Colbert had recently 66 00:03:48,494 --> 00:03:52,134 Speaker 1: delivered a scathing report on parent company Paramount after they 67 00:03:52,174 --> 00:03:55,174 Speaker 1: settled a sixteen million dollar lawsuit with Trump over an 68 00:03:55,214 --> 00:03:58,494 Speaker 1: interview with then presidential candidate Kamala Harris on its show 69 00:03:58,574 --> 00:04:03,054 Speaker 1: Sixty Minutes, which Trump claims was deceptively edited. Despite saying 70 00:04:03,094 --> 00:04:06,214 Speaker 1: there was no merit to the lawsuit, Paramount settled, saying 71 00:04:06,214 --> 00:04:09,294 Speaker 1: it was purely for financial reasons, the same reason given 72 00:04:09,334 --> 00:04:12,014 Speaker 1: for canceling The Late Show, but there are claims they 73 00:04:12,054 --> 00:04:14,494 Speaker 1: settled so that the suit wouldn't become a roadblock to 74 00:04:14,534 --> 00:04:17,734 Speaker 1: the sale of Paramount to Hollywood studio sky Dance. There 75 00:04:17,734 --> 00:04:21,734 Speaker 1: are now concerns that CBS's journalistic integrity will be compromised, 76 00:04:21,974 --> 00:04:24,574 Speaker 1: as the company that owns Paramount is accused of dropping 77 00:04:24,654 --> 00:04:28,654 Speaker 1: the late show to also appeace President Trump. Coldplay frontman 78 00:04:28,774 --> 00:04:31,254 Speaker 1: Chris Martin has warned the crowd at the first show 79 00:04:31,334 --> 00:04:34,814 Speaker 1: since that viral kisscam drama that the cameras were about 80 00:04:34,854 --> 00:04:37,454 Speaker 1: to head out into the crowd. Martin told fans that 81 00:04:37,454 --> 00:04:39,534 Speaker 1: if they hadn't done their makeup, now was the time 82 00:04:39,534 --> 00:04:42,574 Speaker 1: to do it. As a fan noted, no couples were 83 00:04:42,614 --> 00:04:44,934 Speaker 1: featured in the segment of the show this time. At 84 00:04:44,974 --> 00:04:47,134 Speaker 1: their previous show, a man and a woman were shown 85 00:04:47,134 --> 00:04:49,774 Speaker 1: on the big screen, the pair quickly jumping apart in 86 00:04:49,854 --> 00:04:52,094 Speaker 1: a moment that led to Martin commenting that either they 87 00:04:52,094 --> 00:04:55,134 Speaker 1: were having an affair or very shy. Turns out one 88 00:04:55,174 --> 00:04:57,694 Speaker 1: of them was having an affair. The CEO of a 89 00:04:57,694 --> 00:05:01,294 Speaker 1: company called Astronomer now stepping down from his job after 90 00:05:01,334 --> 00:05:04,214 Speaker 1: the Internet went wild with the story. The company says 91 00:05:04,254 --> 00:05:06,814 Speaker 1: they've accepted his resignation and are now on the hunt 92 00:05:06,854 --> 00:05:10,054 Speaker 1: for a replacement CEO. That's the latest news headlines, and 93 00:05:10,094 --> 00:05:12,334 Speaker 1: if you're after more celebrity news, head to link in 94 00:05:12,334 --> 00:05:15,094 Speaker 1: our show notes for the spills daily entertainment headlines. 95 00:05:15,414 --> 00:05:18,854 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, is it time for another baby bonus 96 00:05:18,934 --> 00:05:27,174 Speaker 2: to get us out of this baby recession. Australia's national 97 00:05:27,174 --> 00:05:30,254 Speaker 2: fertility rate, that's the average number of children per woman, 98 00:05:30,614 --> 00:05:32,734 Speaker 2: was sitting at about one point five to one in 99 00:05:32,814 --> 00:05:36,174 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. That's well below the two point one 100 00:05:36,254 --> 00:05:39,854 Speaker 2: replacement rate we need just to keep our population steady 101 00:05:40,054 --> 00:05:44,654 Speaker 2: without relying entirely on migration. The country just recorded around 102 00:05:44,654 --> 00:05:47,774 Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety two thousand, five hundred berths this 103 00:05:47,934 --> 00:05:51,414 Speaker 2: past year. That's a two point six percent bounce back 104 00:05:51,454 --> 00:05:54,614 Speaker 2: compared to last year, but it's still down by nearly 105 00:05:54,654 --> 00:05:58,094 Speaker 2: four percent from twenty nineteen, before the pandemic sent our 106 00:05:58,134 --> 00:06:02,054 Speaker 2: birth rates on a roller coaster. This baby recession has 107 00:06:02,134 --> 00:06:06,294 Speaker 2: hit the city's hardest. Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane all recorded 108 00:06:06,334 --> 00:06:09,494 Speaker 2: further drops in their fertility rates. For twenty twenty four, 109 00:06:09,854 --> 00:06:12,614 Speaker 2: we have Melbourne sitting at just one point four zero, 110 00:06:12,934 --> 00:06:16,334 Speaker 2: which is a record low for the city. Young families 111 00:06:16,374 --> 00:06:20,254 Speaker 2: are holding off or simply not having kids altogether, often 112 00:06:20,334 --> 00:06:23,654 Speaker 2: citing the same reasons sawing cost of living, house stress, 113 00:06:23,774 --> 00:06:27,494 Speaker 2: and the price of childcare. However, it's not all bleak. 114 00:06:28,254 --> 00:06:31,054 Speaker 2: Regional Australia is seeing a bit of a baby bounce, 115 00:06:31,374 --> 00:06:34,814 Speaker 2: with places like Geelong, Newcastle and Perts out of Suburbs 116 00:06:34,854 --> 00:06:38,654 Speaker 2: all recording year on year increases in births. Experts say 117 00:06:38,734 --> 00:06:42,094 Speaker 2: that's probably due to affordable housing and remote work that's 118 00:06:42,174 --> 00:06:46,214 Speaker 2: luring families away from pricing inner city living. Still, though, 119 00:06:46,294 --> 00:06:50,334 Speaker 2: even these positive signs are only slowing, not reversing, what's 120 00:06:50,414 --> 00:06:54,734 Speaker 2: become a long term decline in birth rates. So is 121 00:06:54,734 --> 00:06:58,854 Speaker 2: it time for another government intervention, like say, the Baby Bonus. 122 00:06:59,734 --> 00:07:02,454 Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and four, then Treasure repeated Costello 123 00:07:02,574 --> 00:07:06,334 Speaker 2: introduced the baby Bonus, a lump sum payment to new 124 00:07:06,374 --> 00:07:09,894 Speaker 2: parents starting at three thousand dollars, eventually rising up to 125 00:07:09,974 --> 00:07:13,774 Speaker 2: five k. The aim was simple, boost the birth rate 126 00:07:13,854 --> 00:07:17,894 Speaker 2: and offset and aging population with that infamous slogan have. 127 00:07:17,694 --> 00:07:21,494 Speaker 3: One for mom, one for dead, and one for the country. 128 00:07:22,174 --> 00:07:25,774 Speaker 2: And well, it actually worked, at least in the short term. 129 00:07:26,254 --> 00:07:29,214 Speaker 2: Birth rates jumped and stayed high for several years before 130 00:07:29,254 --> 00:07:32,694 Speaker 2: trending down again. Some studies have argued that the baby 131 00:07:32,694 --> 00:07:36,134 Speaker 2: Bonus encouraged families to bring forward planned births that would 132 00:07:36,174 --> 00:07:39,534 Speaker 2: have happened anyway, while others credit it for a genuine, 133 00:07:39,614 --> 00:07:43,654 Speaker 2: if temporary, baby boom. In fact, the early baby bonus 134 00:07:43,694 --> 00:07:48,294 Speaker 2: generation is now entering adulthood and the workforce. So was 135 00:07:48,294 --> 00:07:52,214 Speaker 2: it a roaring success, Well, not really. While a cash 136 00:07:52,214 --> 00:07:55,614 Speaker 2: payment helps some families, experts say it didn't address deeper 137 00:07:55,654 --> 00:08:00,214 Speaker 2: issues like affordable housing, reliable childcare, and job security for parents, 138 00:08:00,694 --> 00:08:03,214 Speaker 2: factors that we keep hearing now are driving this new 139 00:08:03,214 --> 00:08:06,654 Speaker 2: baby recession. And then there's the ongoing debate about whether 140 00:08:06,654 --> 00:08:09,974 Speaker 2: the government incentives like this create lasting change or just 141 00:08:09,974 --> 00:08:13,414 Speaker 2: a short bloop. Meanwhile, on the world stage, cash for 142 00:08:13,494 --> 00:08:16,774 Speaker 2: kids schemes are making a comeback. US President Donald Trump 143 00:08:16,774 --> 00:08:20,014 Speaker 2: promised one during his campaign to be reelected, and South 144 00:08:20,094 --> 00:08:22,694 Speaker 2: Korea is considering a bonus of over one hundred thousand 145 00:08:22,694 --> 00:08:27,094 Speaker 2: dollars to try to reverse its population slide. But in Australia, 146 00:08:27,454 --> 00:08:30,174 Speaker 2: the major parties seem to agree that cash payments are 147 00:08:30,214 --> 00:08:33,854 Speaker 2: not the fix this time. Instead, they're talking about investing 148 00:08:33,854 --> 00:08:37,654 Speaker 2: in what families actually need, secure jobs, affordable homes, and 149 00:08:37,734 --> 00:08:40,854 Speaker 2: an easier way to juggle work and care. To help 150 00:08:40,974 --> 00:08:43,174 Speaker 2: us dig into what the numbers actually mean. And what 151 00:08:43,294 --> 00:08:46,254 Speaker 2: might truly make a difference were joined by economist and 152 00:08:46,374 --> 00:08:50,254 Speaker 2: specialist in economics of family, University of Sydney, professor Hailey 153 00:08:50,334 --> 00:08:54,614 Speaker 2: Fisher Hailey Why are lessonless people actually having kids? 154 00:08:55,774 --> 00:08:57,694 Speaker 4: One of the key drivers of why people are having 155 00:08:57,774 --> 00:09:01,214 Speaker 4: less children is that women, especially are more educated than 156 00:09:01,214 --> 00:09:04,134 Speaker 4: they used to be. So today over half of women 157 00:09:04,214 --> 00:09:06,494 Speaker 4: age twenty five to thirty four have a bachelor degree 158 00:09:06,534 --> 00:09:09,094 Speaker 4: or above as the highest level of education, and for 159 00:09:09,214 --> 00:09:12,654 Speaker 4: men it's about forty percents. Back in twenty ten, only 160 00:09:12,694 --> 00:09:15,134 Speaker 4: twenty five percent of women had a bachelor degree, so 161 00:09:15,174 --> 00:09:18,574 Speaker 4: we've had a really large increase in educational attainment. People 162 00:09:18,614 --> 00:09:21,374 Speaker 4: with bachelor degrees can earn more money in the labor market, 163 00:09:21,494 --> 00:09:24,414 Speaker 4: and they often want to establish their careers, and it's 164 00:09:24,414 --> 00:09:27,574 Speaker 4: difficult to combine that with having children. There's a big 165 00:09:27,614 --> 00:09:30,654 Speaker 4: opportunity cost of taking time out of the labor market 166 00:09:30,814 --> 00:09:35,174 Speaker 4: or downshifting to a less intensive participation in the labor markets, 167 00:09:35,574 --> 00:09:38,574 Speaker 4: and it's also challenging to combine having children and the 168 00:09:38,614 --> 00:09:41,814 Speaker 4: time it takes to parent them. There are increasing expectations 169 00:09:41,894 --> 00:09:45,494 Speaker 4: for the amount of time that parents invest in their children, 170 00:09:45,654 --> 00:09:48,454 Speaker 4: and that's just a challenging balance to find when there's 171 00:09:48,454 --> 00:09:49,694 Speaker 4: so many demands on your time. 172 00:09:50,374 --> 00:09:53,414 Speaker 2: We also heard a lot of experts throwing things like 173 00:09:53,494 --> 00:09:57,294 Speaker 2: the cost of living in and housing affordability, lots of 174 00:09:57,494 --> 00:10:00,934 Speaker 2: other external factors as to why people are maybe putting 175 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:02,494 Speaker 2: off or choosing not to have kids. 176 00:10:03,494 --> 00:10:06,894 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely so. The cost of living and especially housing 177 00:10:06,934 --> 00:10:08,814 Speaker 4: costs are a little bit of a double edged sword. 178 00:10:09,534 --> 00:10:12,694 Speaker 4: So we find that for people who are already homeowners, 179 00:10:12,774 --> 00:10:16,054 Speaker 4: when their house value increases, they're going to have more children. 180 00:10:16,694 --> 00:10:18,734 Speaker 4: But for those who are renting and they're not in 181 00:10:18,774 --> 00:10:21,254 Speaker 4: the housing market and not taking that first step on 182 00:10:21,294 --> 00:10:24,254 Speaker 4: the housing ladder, then the opposite happens. They're less likely 183 00:10:24,334 --> 00:10:27,254 Speaker 4: to have children. So housing affordability is a really strong 184 00:10:27,334 --> 00:10:31,014 Speaker 4: driver and it's a really challenging sector in Australia right now. 185 00:10:31,614 --> 00:10:35,454 Speaker 2: Should we be worried about this nearon record low for 186 00:10:35,494 --> 00:10:37,534 Speaker 2: the birth rate in Australia, I mean, we have a 187 00:10:37,534 --> 00:10:40,334 Speaker 2: lot of people in this country. Is it a possibility 188 00:10:40,374 --> 00:10:42,814 Speaker 2: that we just accept that we are having less babies 189 00:10:42,854 --> 00:10:45,054 Speaker 2: and move on with it, or why is it potentially 190 00:10:45,094 --> 00:10:45,654 Speaker 2: a bad thing? 191 00:10:46,174 --> 00:10:50,094 Speaker 4: The consequence of having lower fertility in the absence of 192 00:10:50,534 --> 00:10:54,254 Speaker 4: immigration that makes up the numbers in the population is 193 00:10:54,374 --> 00:10:56,774 Speaker 4: that we're going to have a reduction in the number 194 00:10:56,774 --> 00:10:59,414 Speaker 4: of working people we have supporting those that don't work, 195 00:10:59,494 --> 00:11:03,454 Speaker 4: so an increase in the dependency ratio. That's really challenging 196 00:11:03,494 --> 00:11:06,174 Speaker 4: because we need people who are working and being productive 197 00:11:06,294 --> 00:11:10,974 Speaker 4: to fund those who are not working, those who are young, 198 00:11:11,454 --> 00:11:13,534 Speaker 4: and those who are in retirement. And as we get 199 00:11:13,574 --> 00:11:15,774 Speaker 4: more people who are retired compared to the number of 200 00:11:15,854 --> 00:11:17,894 Speaker 4: people who are working, that's going to be harder and 201 00:11:17,974 --> 00:11:20,774 Speaker 4: harder to afford. And it's not just about tax revenue. 202 00:11:20,894 --> 00:11:23,614 Speaker 4: So clearly we need people to work to pay taxes 203 00:11:23,654 --> 00:11:25,654 Speaker 4: to fund the age pension, but it also has an 204 00:11:25,654 --> 00:11:29,894 Speaker 4: impact on superannuation too. So we think about boomers having 205 00:11:30,454 --> 00:11:32,894 Speaker 4: big houses that are worth a lot of money. One 206 00:11:32,934 --> 00:11:34,454 Speaker 4: of the reasons they're worth a lot of money is 207 00:11:34,454 --> 00:11:36,054 Speaker 4: there are a lot of people coming up behind them 208 00:11:36,094 --> 00:11:38,174 Speaker 4: that want to buy a house. If we've got fewer 209 00:11:38,174 --> 00:11:40,454 Speaker 4: people coming into the labor market for you are younger 210 00:11:40,494 --> 00:11:43,134 Speaker 4: people who are seeking to buy a house, the value 211 00:11:43,134 --> 00:11:45,734 Speaker 4: of housing and other assets is going to start to decline, 212 00:11:46,054 --> 00:11:49,214 Speaker 4: and that source of funding our retirements is going to 213 00:11:49,254 --> 00:11:50,374 Speaker 4: become less strong. 214 00:11:51,014 --> 00:11:53,694 Speaker 2: We had that baby bonus about twenty years ago, and 215 00:11:53,854 --> 00:11:56,214 Speaker 2: it seemed to have boosted the birth rate at the time, 216 00:11:56,374 --> 00:11:58,934 Speaker 2: at least for a little while. But there's also like 217 00:11:58,934 --> 00:12:01,254 Speaker 2: a lot of criticism about the baby bonus, right there's 218 00:12:01,334 --> 00:12:03,694 Speaker 2: talk about do we need to do something like that again? 219 00:12:04,534 --> 00:12:06,814 Speaker 2: Can you remind us of maybe some of the cons 220 00:12:06,894 --> 00:12:09,454 Speaker 2: or the bad side of what the baby bonus did. 221 00:12:10,174 --> 00:12:12,334 Speaker 4: The biggest challenge with the baby bonus is that you 222 00:12:12,374 --> 00:12:15,254 Speaker 4: pay it to everybody who's having a child, including all 223 00:12:15,294 --> 00:12:17,534 Speaker 4: of those that we're going to have a child anyway. 224 00:12:17,894 --> 00:12:20,734 Speaker 4: So we pay a lot of money for each additional 225 00:12:20,814 --> 00:12:23,374 Speaker 4: child that gets born as a result of the baby bonus. 226 00:12:23,454 --> 00:12:26,134 Speaker 4: So some estimates that it was over one hundred and 227 00:12:26,134 --> 00:12:29,094 Speaker 4: twenty five thousand dollars per additional child born in that 228 00:12:29,174 --> 00:12:32,214 Speaker 4: baby bonus twenty years ago. And it's also still unclear 229 00:12:32,254 --> 00:12:34,734 Speaker 4: whether it's had a long term impact on the total 230 00:12:34,814 --> 00:12:37,094 Speaker 4: number of children that have been born. So what we 231 00:12:37,214 --> 00:12:39,974 Speaker 4: really do know about baby bonus and similar types of 232 00:12:39,974 --> 00:12:42,414 Speaker 4: scheme is that they change the timing of when people 233 00:12:42,454 --> 00:12:45,414 Speaker 4: have children. So if you are planning to have a child, 234 00:12:45,534 --> 00:12:48,254 Speaker 4: then the introduction of a baby bonus might cause you 235 00:12:48,334 --> 00:12:50,614 Speaker 4: to bring that forward. And because the time frame that 236 00:12:50,614 --> 00:12:54,214 Speaker 4: people have children over twenty or more years. We have 237 00:12:54,294 --> 00:12:56,214 Speaker 4: to wait for that time to be completed to know 238 00:12:56,254 --> 00:12:59,014 Speaker 4: whether it's changed the total number of children people have had, 239 00:12:59,334 --> 00:13:01,894 Speaker 4: So some initial evidence suggests that there probably wear a 240 00:13:01,894 --> 00:13:04,454 Speaker 4: few more berths over the longer period of time, but 241 00:13:04,534 --> 00:13:06,774 Speaker 4: not nearly as many as that spike suggests. 242 00:13:06,814 --> 00:13:09,014 Speaker 2: When we look at the data, is it worth us 243 00:13:09,134 --> 00:13:11,934 Speaker 2: in visstigating bringing it back now? If we're really worried 244 00:13:11,974 --> 00:13:15,134 Speaker 2: about these numbers? Is the idea of a baby bonus 245 00:13:15,134 --> 00:13:17,694 Speaker 2: to get us out of a baby recession a viable option? 246 00:13:17,774 --> 00:13:18,254 Speaker 2: Do you think? 247 00:13:18,654 --> 00:13:20,494 Speaker 4: I think it would be a short term solution for 248 00:13:20,574 --> 00:13:23,094 Speaker 4: what's a long term problem. When we look at the 249 00:13:23,614 --> 00:13:26,454 Speaker 4: data on who is having children, we're actually starting to 250 00:13:26,494 --> 00:13:29,414 Speaker 4: see a little bit of an increase in the number 251 00:13:29,494 --> 00:13:32,414 Speaker 4: of children that the most highly educated women are having, 252 00:13:32,694 --> 00:13:34,534 Speaker 4: And one of the reasons for that is that they 253 00:13:34,574 --> 00:13:37,974 Speaker 4: are likely to be in jobs where their employers are 254 00:13:37,974 --> 00:13:40,974 Speaker 4: giving them quite a lot of benefits and resources to 255 00:13:41,174 --> 00:13:44,734 Speaker 4: enable them to combine work with having children better than 256 00:13:44,934 --> 00:13:48,574 Speaker 4: those who are in lower paying jobs. So that potentially 257 00:13:48,614 --> 00:13:53,294 Speaker 4: suggests that investig in those types of supports for families 258 00:13:53,454 --> 00:13:56,094 Speaker 4: is going to be more effective than a one time 259 00:13:56,174 --> 00:13:59,094 Speaker 4: cash injection that's going to be very expensive and might 260 00:13:59,134 --> 00:14:00,454 Speaker 4: not have a long term impact. 261 00:14:00,894 --> 00:14:03,694 Speaker 2: We maybe need to take a more holistic approach to 262 00:14:03,814 --> 00:14:06,254 Speaker 2: affordability as opposed to a cash bonus. 263 00:14:06,814 --> 00:14:10,014 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, it's putting the foundations in place a score 264 00:14:10,214 --> 00:14:13,974 Speaker 4: long term supporter families combining work hand children rather than 265 00:14:14,014 --> 00:14:18,134 Speaker 4: a short term chuck ahead. Before you go today, I 266 00:14:18,174 --> 00:14:21,454 Speaker 4: want to share something with you, Mumma. Mer Listeners asked 267 00:14:21,494 --> 00:14:24,254 Speaker 4: for more entertainment goodness, and well, I'm here to let 268 00:14:24,254 --> 00:14:25,454 Speaker 4: you know, my friends. 269 00:14:25,134 --> 00:14:29,414 Speaker 2: That we listened. Our daily pop culture podcast, The Spill 270 00:14:29,614 --> 00:14:33,214 Speaker 2: is now in your ears twice a day. If you're unfamiliar. 271 00:14:33,294 --> 00:14:36,494 Speaker 2: Laura Rodnick, joined by Cassenya Lukic and m Vernham are 272 00:14:36,494 --> 00:14:38,974 Speaker 2: with us every day at three pm to unpack the 273 00:14:39,054 --> 00:14:42,774 Speaker 2: biggest stories in Hollywood. And now I'm very happy to 274 00:14:42,814 --> 00:14:45,694 Speaker 2: report that Ash London is with you every morning to 275 00:14:45,734 --> 00:14:47,454 Speaker 2: get you up to speed on the latest in the 276 00:14:47,494 --> 00:14:50,934 Speaker 2: Hollywood headlines with morning tea. Think of it like this short, 277 00:14:51,014 --> 00:14:53,894 Speaker 2: sharp celebrity field news update over in the Spill feed 278 00:14:53,974 --> 00:14:57,014 Speaker 2: every Monday to Thursday at eight am. A pop a 279 00:14:57,054 --> 00:14:58,694 Speaker 2: link in the show notes for you to listen, but 280 00:14:58,894 --> 00:15:01,214 Speaker 2: you can actually check out a recent episode right here. 281 00:15:11,814 --> 00:15:14,334 Speaker 3: Good morning, Spillers and other days upon us and with 282 00:15:14,374 --> 00:15:17,694 Speaker 3: it more juicy entertainment news to get us through the morning. 283 00:15:18,054 --> 00:15:20,614 Speaker 3: I'm ash London, and just like you can count on 284 00:15:20,654 --> 00:15:23,134 Speaker 3: Reread to pop out another kid when all we want 285 00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:25,374 Speaker 3: is an album, you can count on me to keep 286 00:15:25,374 --> 00:15:27,694 Speaker 3: you up to date with everything that's happening amongst the 287 00:15:27,734 --> 00:15:31,934 Speaker 3: stars today. We've got everything from Daddy Pedro stepping out 288 00:15:31,934 --> 00:15:33,694 Speaker 3: in Sydney to the Emmy Knoms. 289 00:15:34,094 --> 00:15:36,734 Speaker 5: I've done us a nice drunk Hamama this morning, so 290 00:15:37,174 --> 00:15:38,094 Speaker 5: let's get pouring. 291 00:15:38,854 --> 00:15:42,734 Speaker 3: After their December proposal, Seleni Gomez and Benny Blanco are. 292 00:15:42,614 --> 00:15:45,454 Speaker 5: Officially in wedding planning mode. 293 00:15:45,534 --> 00:15:48,974 Speaker 3: The star studded wedding is going to be happening in Montecito, 294 00:15:49,494 --> 00:15:52,374 Speaker 3: which I think will henceforth always be known as Harry 295 00:15:52,374 --> 00:15:53,374 Speaker 3: in Meghan's neighborhood. 296 00:15:53,414 --> 00:15:56,214 Speaker 5: Let's be honest. The wedding is happening in September of 297 00:15:56,254 --> 00:15:56,654 Speaker 5: this year. 298 00:15:56,654 --> 00:15:59,934 Speaker 3: It's going to last two days and featuring mostly close 299 00:15:59,974 --> 00:16:03,694 Speaker 3: friends and family, including likely appearances of course from her 300 00:16:03,694 --> 00:16:07,414 Speaker 3: Best Day tape. And we're hearing the invitations have officially 301 00:16:07,454 --> 00:16:10,734 Speaker 3: been sent out, so this baby's happening. Check your mailboxes. 302 00:16:10,774 --> 00:16:13,494 Speaker 3: Come on Australia Post, come through with the goods. I'm kidding, 303 00:16:13,574 --> 00:16:16,814 Speaker 3: I'm juda not expected invitation. Now Benny is Jewish, so 304 00:16:16,894 --> 00:16:20,374 Speaker 3: we'll no doubt see some Jewish traditions incorporated into the ceremony, 305 00:16:20,574 --> 00:16:25,174 Speaker 3: hopefully some killer musical performances. I love these guys together 306 00:16:25,374 --> 00:16:28,094 Speaker 3: so much. I'm so happy they're getting married. I cannot 307 00:16:28,134 --> 00:16:30,494 Speaker 3: wait to see how beautiful she looks on her wedding day. 308 00:16:30,974 --> 00:16:34,734 Speaker 3: Next up, if you're in ours and the airfields decidedly sexier, 309 00:16:34,934 --> 00:16:38,774 Speaker 3: more daddy like, then I have the reason. Pedro Pascal 310 00:16:38,814 --> 00:16:41,574 Speaker 3: has stepped out on our fair shows. I repeat, Pedro 311 00:16:41,654 --> 00:16:45,134 Speaker 3: Pascal has stepped out in Sydney in a sheer shirt. 312 00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:46,494 Speaker 5: I can't it's like he's teasing me. 313 00:16:46,534 --> 00:16:49,014 Speaker 3: It's he's personally teasing me with the outfits, and he 314 00:16:49,054 --> 00:16:52,574 Speaker 3: knows what he's doing. He appeared alongside his Fantastic four 315 00:16:52,734 --> 00:16:56,414 Speaker 3: First Steps co stars Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn and Eban 316 00:16:56,654 --> 00:16:59,774 Speaker 3: Mosserbakrach at the City premiere last night for the film, 317 00:16:59,774 --> 00:17:03,414 Speaker 3: which is scheduled for a July twenty five release. The 318 00:17:03,454 --> 00:17:06,774 Speaker 3: red carpet was absolutely heaving. Fans had been there for 319 00:17:06,894 --> 00:17:09,774 Speaker 3: hours and hours and hours in order to catch a 320 00:17:09,814 --> 00:17:14,214 Speaker 3: glimpse of Daddy and Vanessa. Kirby looked so radiant and 321 00:17:14,334 --> 00:17:16,894 Speaker 3: so pregnant, although I would be pregnant too if I 322 00:17:16,974 --> 00:17:19,894 Speaker 3: just spend that uch time around Petre Repser. The Emmy 323 00:17:19,894 --> 00:17:24,534 Speaker 3: nominations are officially out. An Apple TV psychological thrillers Severance 324 00:17:24,934 --> 00:17:29,414 Speaker 3: and HBOS DC Universe drama The Penguin have stacked up 325 00:17:29,494 --> 00:17:34,414 Speaker 3: the most nominations at the Emmy. Severance scoring twenty seven 326 00:17:34,534 --> 00:17:37,654 Speaker 3: nominations not Bad and nominated for the top fries of 327 00:17:37,894 --> 00:17:42,014 Speaker 3: Best Drama alongside The Pit, The White Lotus and others. 328 00:17:42,054 --> 00:17:46,534 Speaker 3: Now The Penguins starring Coron Colin Farrell, earned twenty four nominations. 329 00:17:46,614 --> 00:17:49,734 Speaker 3: My God, it's going to compete for Best Limited Series. 330 00:17:49,774 --> 00:17:52,014 Speaker 3: I still haven't seen The Penguin because it looks too scary, 331 00:17:52,054 --> 00:17:56,814 Speaker 3: but Colin Farrell is unbelievable. Hollywood Satire, The Studio and 332 00:17:56,854 --> 00:18:00,054 Speaker 3: The Iconic White Lotus of twenty three each not Bad, 333 00:18:00,494 --> 00:18:03,494 Speaker 3: and then the likes of Hacks the Bear, Nobody Wants 334 00:18:03,494 --> 00:18:08,334 Speaker 3: This and Abbott Elementary also competing for Best Comedy Mini Series. 335 00:18:08,734 --> 00:18:10,894 Speaker 3: My money is He's got to be on Nobody wants this. 336 00:18:11,734 --> 00:18:14,334 Speaker 3: I mean, has ever been a greater show? If if 337 00:18:14,334 --> 00:18:17,734 Speaker 3: a category was just like best Kiss, then that would 338 00:18:17,734 --> 00:18:20,054 Speaker 3: definitely get it. 339 00:18:19,534 --> 00:18:21,654 Speaker 5: When he takes a bag, puts the ice cream down 340 00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:22,534 Speaker 5: Chef's kiss. 341 00:18:23,014 --> 00:18:26,934 Speaker 3: Noah Wiley receives his first Emmy nomination since nineteen ninety 342 00:18:27,054 --> 00:18:29,814 Speaker 3: nine for his role as an emergency room doctor on 343 00:18:29,894 --> 00:18:32,654 Speaker 3: The Pit. I have loved him for so long. He 344 00:18:32,734 --> 00:18:35,534 Speaker 3: was nominated five times for his role in Er back 345 00:18:35,534 --> 00:18:37,774 Speaker 3: in the Day, but never won. So wouldn't that just 346 00:18:37,814 --> 00:18:40,974 Speaker 3: be the most amazing full circle moment? And at age 347 00:18:41,014 --> 00:18:44,134 Speaker 3: eighty three, Harrison Ford has earned his first Emmy nod 348 00:18:44,254 --> 00:18:47,334 Speaker 3: ever for playing a grumpy therapist on Shrinking. If you 349 00:18:47,454 --> 00:18:50,254 Speaker 3: haven't seen that show, get around it. It is so fantastic. 350 00:18:50,574 --> 00:18:52,694 Speaker 3: The Emmy winners will be announced at the Red Carpet 351 00:18:52,694 --> 00:18:57,174 Speaker 3: ceremony on September fourteen. Now we Loved Wicked and Now 352 00:18:57,254 --> 00:19:00,494 Speaker 3: director John m. Chwo is back with another adaptation for film, 353 00:19:00,534 --> 00:19:03,854 Speaker 3: and this time it is Doctor SEUs. Oh the Places 354 00:19:03,934 --> 00:19:05,974 Speaker 3: You'll Go. It's going to be turned into a film. 355 00:19:06,014 --> 00:19:08,654 Speaker 3: One of my favorite books of all time. This one's 356 00:19:08,694 --> 00:19:13,254 Speaker 3: starring Arina and Josh Gadd aka Olaf from Frozen. The 357 00:19:13,294 --> 00:19:16,454 Speaker 3: Ata shared photos of both of them holding binders with 358 00:19:16,494 --> 00:19:19,694 Speaker 3: their scripts over their faces in a recording studio. Josh said, 359 00:19:20,134 --> 00:19:22,534 Speaker 3: never been more excited to go places. We are dreaming 360 00:19:22,614 --> 00:19:26,574 Speaker 3: up something very special for you, he said. Warner Brothers 361 00:19:26,614 --> 00:19:29,734 Speaker 3: Animation is put together a truly all star team. I've 362 00:19:29,774 --> 00:19:32,934 Speaker 3: been dying to work with Ariana and John for a while. 363 00:19:33,374 --> 00:19:35,454 Speaker 5: This is so, so exciting. 364 00:19:35,534 --> 00:19:38,294 Speaker 3: One of the most magical, inspiring books being brought to 365 00:19:38,334 --> 00:19:40,854 Speaker 3: life with one of the most exciting directors on the planet. 366 00:19:41,174 --> 00:19:45,094 Speaker 3: Josh gadd Is Musical Royalty. Ariana Grande is Ariana Grande. 367 00:19:45,414 --> 00:19:47,534 Speaker 3: I can't wait for more information. I can't wait to 368 00:19:47,574 --> 00:19:50,054 Speaker 3: see it. I love everything about this project. 369 00:19:50,734 --> 00:19:52,974 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 370 00:19:53,094 --> 00:19:55,894 Speaker 2: us today. The Quikie is produced by me Tabor Strano 371 00:19:56,014 --> 00:19:59,054 Speaker 2: and Clo Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.