1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 3 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 2: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 4 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:27,224 Speaker 2: is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill 5 00:00:27,264 --> 00:00:30,064 Speaker 2: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Bretney and I'm 6 00:00:30,104 --> 00:00:33,544 Speaker 2: vannam and on the show today. Look, even more disturbing 7 00:00:33,584 --> 00:00:36,264 Speaker 2: allegations have come out about Sean Combe, so we're going 8 00:00:36,304 --> 00:00:38,584 Speaker 2: to get into that, and even more celebrity names have 9 00:00:38,664 --> 00:00:42,064 Speaker 2: been wrapped up in this just ugly turn of events. 10 00:00:42,104 --> 00:00:44,064 Speaker 2: We're getting into all of that because it's important to 11 00:00:44,064 --> 00:00:44,504 Speaker 2: know about. 12 00:00:45,024 --> 00:00:49,024 Speaker 3: But first, but first, Dakota Fanning has recently done a 13 00:00:49,104 --> 00:00:53,384 Speaker 3: profile with The Cut and every single person is obsessed 14 00:00:53,424 --> 00:00:58,264 Speaker 3: with her, including myself. So this is mainly for I 15 00:00:58,264 --> 00:01:00,904 Speaker 3: guess her core demographic, which I want to say is 16 00:01:01,024 --> 00:01:03,904 Speaker 3: millennial girl boss. Yes, I've been seeing like all the 17 00:01:03,904 --> 00:01:07,184 Speaker 3: memes everywhere, there are certain quotes from this one interview 18 00:01:07,224 --> 00:01:10,664 Speaker 3: that have gone absolutely viral. So she was into viewed 19 00:01:10,704 --> 00:01:13,384 Speaker 3: off the back of her recent work on The Perfect Couple, 20 00:01:13,464 --> 00:01:15,904 Speaker 3: which we both loved. We have done a brutally honest 21 00:01:15,944 --> 00:01:17,584 Speaker 3: review on it if you haven't listened to. 22 00:01:17,544 --> 00:01:18,904 Speaker 2: It, which she's so great in that. 23 00:01:19,144 --> 00:01:20,704 Speaker 3: Oh it's so good, we will link it in our 24 00:01:20,704 --> 00:01:24,584 Speaker 3: show notes. She's brilliant, But the entire interview largely focuses 25 00:01:24,664 --> 00:01:27,224 Speaker 3: on her career, like starting out as a child actor, 26 00:01:27,664 --> 00:01:30,544 Speaker 3: her relationship with her other famous sister, Elle Fanning, who 27 00:01:30,544 --> 00:01:33,464 Speaker 3: we also love, and her work ethic in general. So 28 00:01:33,504 --> 00:01:35,184 Speaker 3: some of the quotes that have gone viral, I want 29 00:01:35,184 --> 00:01:37,064 Speaker 3: to read these out to you. So there was a 30 00:01:37,064 --> 00:01:40,224 Speaker 3: part in the interview where they were saying, people have 31 00:01:40,304 --> 00:01:43,184 Speaker 3: called your Emmy nominated part in Ripley your first ever 32 00:01:43,344 --> 00:01:46,744 Speaker 3: adult role, like your first real adult role, And she said, 33 00:01:46,784 --> 00:01:48,744 Speaker 3: I've been acting for twenty four years, so I do 34 00:01:48,864 --> 00:01:49,584 Speaker 3: know what I'm doing. 35 00:01:50,024 --> 00:01:52,104 Speaker 2: But also she's done other adult roles. 36 00:01:52,344 --> 00:01:54,624 Speaker 3: I think it's like a bit of a like we 37 00:01:54,944 --> 00:01:56,824 Speaker 3: haven't seen you until now kind of thing. 38 00:01:57,024 --> 00:01:59,064 Speaker 2: Yes, even though she has done a lot of different 39 00:01:59,064 --> 00:02:00,944 Speaker 2: even like The Runaways with Christian Stewart. I mean, there's 40 00:02:00,944 --> 00:02:02,464 Speaker 2: more movies than that. But I'm just thinking, like, that's 41 00:02:02,464 --> 00:02:05,184 Speaker 2: a crazy adult role that she had. I mean, isn't 42 00:02:05,184 --> 00:02:06,064 Speaker 2: she like nearly thirty. 43 00:02:06,264 --> 00:02:07,144 Speaker 3: She's like nearly thirty. 44 00:02:07,264 --> 00:02:09,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, yah, So she's been acting for over a decade 45 00:02:09,344 --> 00:02:11,144 Speaker 2: as an adult. But I think when you think of her, 46 00:02:11,224 --> 00:02:14,344 Speaker 2: you think of her like War of the World's Uptown Girls. 47 00:02:14,504 --> 00:02:17,064 Speaker 2: I am sam all of those because she was so 48 00:02:17,104 --> 00:02:18,384 Speaker 2: tiny in all of those roles. 49 00:02:18,384 --> 00:02:20,144 Speaker 3: And they did bring up the fact that she did 50 00:02:20,184 --> 00:02:23,304 Speaker 3: start off really, really young. Yeah, And we were actually 51 00:02:23,344 --> 00:02:25,304 Speaker 3: discussing it, the two of us, about how she was 52 00:02:25,304 --> 00:02:28,344 Speaker 3: one of the child actors that weren't for other children, 53 00:02:28,664 --> 00:02:30,824 Speaker 3: like we always talk about child actors like a Miley 54 00:02:30,864 --> 00:02:33,664 Speaker 3: Cyrus or a Disney child actor that's four children and 55 00:02:33,704 --> 00:02:36,544 Speaker 3: they're brought up with the audience that they're playing for, 56 00:02:36,784 --> 00:02:38,824 Speaker 3: where she was a child actor, but four adults because 57 00:02:38,824 --> 00:02:39,784 Speaker 3: she's an adult movie. 58 00:02:39,904 --> 00:02:41,344 Speaker 2: That did blow my mind when you said that, because 59 00:02:41,344 --> 00:02:43,224 Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about it in that way. That always 60 00:02:43,264 --> 00:02:45,624 Speaker 2: in my head I lump all child stars in together. 61 00:02:45,864 --> 00:02:47,624 Speaker 2: But you're right, someone who is on like the Disney 62 00:02:47,624 --> 00:02:50,864 Speaker 2: Network or is very like almost like infantilized for a 63 00:02:50,984 --> 00:02:53,344 Speaker 2: very long time would have a different experience. And like 64 00:02:53,384 --> 00:02:55,984 Speaker 2: a Dakota Johnson or like a Natalie Portman who was 65 00:02:56,024 --> 00:02:58,824 Speaker 2: also a child actor for a long time but has 66 00:02:58,904 --> 00:03:01,704 Speaker 2: had a similar trajectory to Dakota in terms of like 67 00:03:01,904 --> 00:03:05,464 Speaker 2: they don't seem to have that big rebellious over sexualized. 68 00:03:05,584 --> 00:03:08,344 Speaker 2: I'm breaking away from the mold, maybe because they were 69 00:03:08,384 --> 00:03:10,984 Speaker 2: always treated in this very adult way, so it's almost 70 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:13,344 Speaker 2: like they go the other way and they pick different 71 00:03:13,424 --> 00:03:15,064 Speaker 2: roles because they don't feel it has to prove they're 72 00:03:15,064 --> 00:03:16,744 Speaker 2: an adult because they're always an adult. 73 00:03:16,824 --> 00:03:19,144 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I wonder if it's also with audiences act 74 00:03:19,264 --> 00:03:23,664 Speaker 3: like feeling a bit icky with criticizing younger actors because 75 00:03:23,664 --> 00:03:26,824 Speaker 3: I can't imagine like someone our age now watching I 76 00:03:26,864 --> 00:03:28,504 Speaker 3: Am Sam for the first time and being like, oh 77 00:03:28,504 --> 00:03:31,344 Speaker 3: my gosh, that kid is so weird. But like with Disney, 78 00:03:31,384 --> 00:03:33,704 Speaker 3: because you're acting for your peers, so it doesn't feel 79 00:03:33,744 --> 00:03:36,144 Speaker 3: like you're punching down. It feels like you're punching like 80 00:03:36,184 --> 00:03:38,264 Speaker 3: across yeah, because like this is my age, and then 81 00:03:38,344 --> 00:03:40,904 Speaker 3: you just grow up with that trolling of like people 82 00:03:40,944 --> 00:03:43,544 Speaker 3: who also become adults with you. So I think that's 83 00:03:43,624 --> 00:03:45,384 Speaker 3: kind of like the sticking point when it comes to 84 00:03:45,424 --> 00:03:48,264 Speaker 3: the difference between like what audience you're acting for at 85 00:03:48,264 --> 00:03:50,904 Speaker 3: what age. Because I was a part where they alluded 86 00:03:50,944 --> 00:03:53,344 Speaker 3: to the fact that a lot of people felt like 87 00:03:53,384 --> 00:03:55,784 Speaker 3: she had to mature really quickly as a child, Like 88 00:03:55,824 --> 00:03:57,784 Speaker 3: a lot of critics saying that it sucks that she 89 00:03:57,864 --> 00:04:00,144 Speaker 3: never had a childhood, and she said, I was a 90 00:04:00,144 --> 00:04:02,784 Speaker 3: mature child. I didn't become that way because of acting. 91 00:04:02,904 --> 00:04:04,464 Speaker 3: It was always the way I was. 92 00:04:05,104 --> 00:04:08,224 Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, with everything we know about child actors 93 00:04:08,264 --> 00:04:09,744 Speaker 2: now and what they get put through when they talk 94 00:04:09,784 --> 00:04:11,784 Speaker 2: about the fact that I know she said an inter 95 00:04:11,864 --> 00:04:13,184 Speaker 2: us in the past that it was always a good 96 00:04:13,184 --> 00:04:15,984 Speaker 2: experience for her. It never felt like work, but also 97 00:04:16,144 --> 00:04:19,584 Speaker 2: she was working like an adult her whole childhood. It's 98 00:04:19,584 --> 00:04:21,064 Speaker 2: im not saying it's a bad thing. She obviously liked it, 99 00:04:21,104 --> 00:04:24,104 Speaker 2: and she seems like very grounded and together now and everything. 100 00:04:24,184 --> 00:04:27,304 Speaker 2: But I do think that you're still working full time 101 00:04:27,544 --> 00:04:30,504 Speaker 2: with adults, and especially with all these big blockbusters like 102 00:04:30,544 --> 00:04:32,584 Speaker 2: you I mentioned shutting down production War of the Worlds 103 00:04:32,584 --> 00:04:34,104 Speaker 2: because you're having a bad day, you want to go 104 00:04:34,144 --> 00:04:35,944 Speaker 2: to a friend's birthday. It's like you're on the clock, 105 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:38,544 Speaker 2: you're working. And I think she just handled it very well, 106 00:04:38,584 --> 00:04:41,384 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean it wasn't an extreme situation to 107 00:04:41,424 --> 00:04:42,184 Speaker 2: be in as a kid. 108 00:04:42,344 --> 00:04:44,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wonder if it felt like she had 109 00:04:44,144 --> 00:04:47,664 Speaker 3: to handle it well because she knows that question isn't 110 00:04:47,664 --> 00:04:50,344 Speaker 3: really for her but for her parents. Yeah, like for 111 00:04:50,424 --> 00:04:52,664 Speaker 3: putting her through that, because she did say that when 112 00:04:52,664 --> 00:04:55,504 Speaker 3: she was young, her parents just put her into everything. Yeah, 113 00:04:55,544 --> 00:04:57,784 Speaker 3: like all of these sports. I mean I had parents 114 00:04:57,784 --> 00:05:00,384 Speaker 3: like that. I'm not an Academy Award winning. 115 00:05:00,584 --> 00:05:01,304 Speaker 2: That's not yet. 116 00:05:01,664 --> 00:05:04,544 Speaker 3: What I also found interesting is the way they bring 117 00:05:04,664 --> 00:05:08,064 Speaker 3: up a sibling like another famous sibling. But I always 118 00:05:08,104 --> 00:05:10,224 Speaker 3: think about like American and Ashley when they used to 119 00:05:10,264 --> 00:05:12,864 Speaker 3: do separate interviews when they were younger, and I'd feel like, 120 00:05:12,904 --> 00:05:15,344 Speaker 3: that's so weird because that's what you're known for. And 121 00:05:15,384 --> 00:05:18,224 Speaker 3: I think with the Coda Fanning, it's like millennials know 122 00:05:18,344 --> 00:05:20,024 Speaker 3: her bagen Z no l. 123 00:05:20,264 --> 00:05:22,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's true because she's had such like 124 00:05:22,504 --> 00:05:25,024 Speaker 2: a huge career surge in the last couple of years 125 00:05:25,024 --> 00:05:26,704 Speaker 2: with the Great and even like doing the Disney thing 126 00:05:26,744 --> 00:05:30,024 Speaker 2: with Malificent and people loving her. Although Dakota, you know 127 00:05:30,104 --> 00:05:33,424 Speaker 2: she was in Twilight. We can't underestimate her work. She's 128 00:05:33,464 --> 00:05:36,504 Speaker 2: a great villain. Yeah, she was quite terrifying in that. 129 00:05:36,744 --> 00:05:38,944 Speaker 2: So I'm just all I'm saying is the girl's she's 130 00:05:38,944 --> 00:05:40,744 Speaker 2: been out there doing the hard work in the Twilight 131 00:05:40,744 --> 00:05:41,304 Speaker 2: franchise and. 132 00:05:41,384 --> 00:05:44,424 Speaker 3: In the Yards. She did say that she acknowledges that 133 00:05:44,504 --> 00:05:47,704 Speaker 3: they both go for very similar roles, like they both 134 00:05:47,704 --> 00:05:50,784 Speaker 3: are interested in very similar scripts. But she said, personality 135 00:05:50,864 --> 00:05:52,224 Speaker 3: wise they're different. 136 00:05:52,624 --> 00:05:54,144 Speaker 2: I mean you have to say that, right, because she 137 00:05:54,144 --> 00:05:55,624 Speaker 2: would be like you said, We've been in the industry 138 00:05:55,624 --> 00:05:56,184 Speaker 2: for twenty four. 139 00:05:56,264 --> 00:05:57,504 Speaker 3: There's been a rehearsed line for her. 140 00:05:57,544 --> 00:05:59,024 Speaker 2: Do you reckon? Oh, I'm sure she's been asked out 141 00:05:59,024 --> 00:06:00,584 Speaker 2: a thousand times if you even if you just saw 142 00:06:00,624 --> 00:06:03,264 Speaker 2: her go down the red carpet the Perfect Couple screening, 143 00:06:03,704 --> 00:06:06,344 Speaker 2: there's a series of questions that every single person asked her, 144 00:06:06,344 --> 00:06:09,664 Speaker 2: and it's about her sister, It's about their relationship, about rivalry. 145 00:06:09,984 --> 00:06:11,224 Speaker 2: In this come around, it was like, how is it 146 00:06:11,264 --> 00:06:12,984 Speaker 2: to act with Nicole Kimmen as an adult because you 147 00:06:12,984 --> 00:06:15,744 Speaker 2: acted with her as a child. And she's always very pleasantly, 148 00:06:15,904 --> 00:06:18,584 Speaker 2: very professional. But she's just got these answers that she 149 00:06:18,784 --> 00:06:22,064 Speaker 2: just rings off to every single person for like twenty 150 00:06:22,144 --> 00:06:24,864 Speaker 2: journalists down the line, and they all have the same SoundBite, 151 00:06:24,904 --> 00:06:26,664 Speaker 2: and she's done it in this interview as well. So 152 00:06:26,704 --> 00:06:28,024 Speaker 2: she's just a very rehearsed girl. 153 00:06:28,144 --> 00:06:30,624 Speaker 3: This interview is so brilliant. It's one of the few 154 00:06:30,664 --> 00:06:33,864 Speaker 3: interviews where like a woman in Hollywood has come across 155 00:06:33,984 --> 00:06:37,344 Speaker 3: so strong, so self assured, and has not gotten any 156 00:06:37,384 --> 00:06:38,304 Speaker 3: backlash from that. 157 00:06:38,784 --> 00:06:41,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, I guess because she's never had a scandal, 158 00:06:41,864 --> 00:06:44,064 Speaker 2: which again is interesting for like someone who's been in 159 00:06:44,064 --> 00:06:46,344 Speaker 2: the public eye for so long. And there are PAP 160 00:06:46,384 --> 00:06:48,784 Speaker 2: shots of her at parties, as a really infamous one 161 00:06:48,784 --> 00:06:51,664 Speaker 2: of her and her sister like blind drunk on a table. 162 00:06:52,064 --> 00:06:54,624 Speaker 3: It's the best, which it's like the most sister photo ever. 163 00:06:54,824 --> 00:06:56,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like is it Elle who's falling over and 164 00:06:57,064 --> 00:06:58,624 Speaker 2: Dakota's like trying to prop her up all the other 165 00:06:58,624 --> 00:06:59,224 Speaker 2: way around, Like. 166 00:06:59,264 --> 00:07:02,184 Speaker 3: Aelle is on the table and Dakota's just looking at her, 167 00:07:02,624 --> 00:07:03,544 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, looking. 168 00:07:03,304 --> 00:07:04,824 Speaker 2: At her like oh, She's said, yeah, it's the most 169 00:07:04,864 --> 00:07:07,064 Speaker 2: sister But also like that's fine, Like they're at a party, 170 00:07:07,064 --> 00:07:09,304 Speaker 2: they're allowed to drink. But I just feel like sometimes 171 00:07:09,344 --> 00:07:11,344 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff can blow. And then Dakota has 172 00:07:11,344 --> 00:07:13,784 Speaker 2: been packed with different boyfriends out and about over the years, 173 00:07:13,824 --> 00:07:16,864 Speaker 2: but always like very scandal free. Maybe that's why she's 174 00:07:16,904 --> 00:07:19,024 Speaker 2: so well adjusted. She has never had those Like I 175 00:07:19,064 --> 00:07:21,384 Speaker 2: know she gets chased by paps, but she's never had 176 00:07:21,664 --> 00:07:26,504 Speaker 2: that huge intrusive backlash people like chasing her through the 177 00:07:26,544 --> 00:07:29,264 Speaker 2: streets and chasing her down at parties that we know of. 178 00:07:29,344 --> 00:07:30,824 Speaker 3: Oh, she's winning live right now. 179 00:07:32,904 --> 00:07:35,584 Speaker 2: So last week we spoke about all of the new 180 00:07:35,624 --> 00:07:39,064 Speaker 2: allegations that have come out against Sean Combs since he 181 00:07:39,224 --> 00:07:41,464 Speaker 2: was arrested a few weeks ago, and he remains in 182 00:07:41,504 --> 00:07:43,944 Speaker 2: custody in New York denied bail, which I think we 183 00:07:43,984 --> 00:07:47,064 Speaker 2: can all agree under the circumstances, feels like the right decision. 184 00:07:47,504 --> 00:07:49,664 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of allegations come his way, a 185 00:07:49,704 --> 00:07:51,784 Speaker 2: lot of different celebrity names have been embroiled in that. 186 00:07:52,184 --> 00:07:54,464 Speaker 2: But what's come out this week has made the story 187 00:07:54,584 --> 00:07:56,664 Speaker 2: I think. I mean, it was already disturbing, but every 188 00:07:56,704 --> 00:07:59,104 Speaker 2: time we get a new layer of this narrative it 189 00:07:59,144 --> 00:08:01,944 Speaker 2: becomes even harder to hear. But I think also just 190 00:08:01,984 --> 00:08:03,824 Speaker 2: for the number of people that involved in it and 191 00:08:03,864 --> 00:08:05,904 Speaker 2: what has happened, it's important for people to sort of 192 00:08:05,944 --> 00:08:08,864 Speaker 2: really be across this. So he's been hit with a 193 00:08:08,864 --> 00:08:11,464 Speaker 2: whole lot of new law suits. And we know this 194 00:08:11,544 --> 00:08:14,744 Speaker 2: because in a press conference this week, Attorney Tony Busby, 195 00:08:14,784 --> 00:08:17,744 Speaker 2: who is representing the one hundred and twenty people who 196 00:08:17,904 --> 00:08:21,344 Speaker 2: have made allegations against Shawn Comb, and these allegations arranging 197 00:08:21,384 --> 00:08:24,464 Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety one through to this year, so things 198 00:08:24,464 --> 00:08:28,224 Speaker 2: happened in twenty yes. So what happened was, after all 199 00:08:28,264 --> 00:08:30,464 Speaker 2: the initial people who were in the first round of 200 00:08:30,504 --> 00:08:33,904 Speaker 2: lawsuits and allegations came forward, Tony Buzzby put out a 201 00:08:33,944 --> 00:08:36,584 Speaker 2: call basically saying, if there are any other victims out 202 00:08:36,624 --> 00:08:39,544 Speaker 2: there of Seawan Comb's please contact me. We want to 203 00:08:39,584 --> 00:08:42,104 Speaker 2: hear your stories. I'm going to do a group representation. 204 00:08:42,624 --> 00:08:44,784 Speaker 2: They knew from the people they had already spoken to 205 00:08:45,144 --> 00:08:47,544 Speaker 2: how deep this was, how layered, and how many people 206 00:08:47,544 --> 00:08:49,664 Speaker 2: were involved, and so they knew there were so many 207 00:08:49,664 --> 00:08:51,944 Speaker 2: people out there who had a story to tell about 208 00:08:51,944 --> 00:08:55,264 Speaker 2: Seawan Combs and could be involved in these lawsuits. But probably, 209 00:08:55,424 --> 00:08:58,864 Speaker 2: like prior to this, he's this huge, famous, all powerful 210 00:08:59,024 --> 00:09:01,624 Speaker 2: by all accounts, allegedly dangerous man like you wouldn't go 211 00:09:01,664 --> 00:09:04,224 Speaker 2: against him by yourself. But what Tony Buzzby was trying 212 00:09:04,264 --> 00:09:06,944 Speaker 2: to do was link them all together. So when he 213 00:09:06,984 --> 00:09:09,744 Speaker 2: put out that initial call, he almost immediately in the 214 00:09:09,744 --> 00:09:13,864 Speaker 2: first couple of days, received three thousand responses, and he 215 00:09:13,904 --> 00:09:15,584 Speaker 2: has got here and his team have gone through the 216 00:09:15,624 --> 00:09:18,744 Speaker 2: three thousand responses of people and they've come down to 217 00:09:18,864 --> 00:09:21,864 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty credible cases like people with evidence, 218 00:09:21,864 --> 00:09:25,184 Speaker 2: people with timelines, people who fit into this story. So 219 00:09:25,264 --> 00:09:27,504 Speaker 2: the attorney at the center of this case, Tony Busby, 220 00:09:27,744 --> 00:09:30,464 Speaker 2: gave a really detailed press conference on the events that 221 00:09:30,504 --> 00:09:32,464 Speaker 2: have happened, and here's a little bit of what he said. 222 00:09:32,744 --> 00:09:35,384 Speaker 1: The day will come when we will name names other 223 00:09:35,424 --> 00:09:38,944 Speaker 1: than Shaan Commbs, and there's a lot of names. It's 224 00:09:38,984 --> 00:09:41,704 Speaker 1: a long list already, and of course I already know 225 00:09:41,744 --> 00:09:43,704 Speaker 1: who some of these individuals are. But because of the 226 00:09:43,744 --> 00:09:47,664 Speaker 1: nature of this case, we're gonna make damn sure, damn 227 00:09:47,664 --> 00:09:51,104 Speaker 1: sure that we're right before we do that. But the 228 00:09:51,184 --> 00:09:54,944 Speaker 1: names that we're going to name, assuming that our investigators 229 00:09:54,984 --> 00:09:58,824 Speaker 1: confirm and corroborate what we've been told, are names that 230 00:09:58,864 --> 00:10:03,304 Speaker 1: will shock you. These are individual cases. There are indeed 231 00:10:03,344 --> 00:10:07,064 Speaker 1: other perpetrators involved. They will be revealed when that particular 232 00:10:07,064 --> 00:10:10,944 Speaker 1: individual case is ready to be filed. They already know 233 00:10:10,984 --> 00:10:14,584 Speaker 1: who they are. And I'm talking here about not just 234 00:10:14,624 --> 00:10:17,424 Speaker 1: the cowardly but complicit bystanders. That is, those people that 235 00:10:17,464 --> 00:10:23,024 Speaker 1: we know watched this behavior cur and did nothing, And 236 00:10:23,024 --> 00:10:26,504 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the people that participated, encouraged it, egged 237 00:10:26,504 --> 00:10:28,424 Speaker 1: it on. They know who they are. 238 00:10:29,104 --> 00:10:33,064 Speaker 3: What I've seen is that it's becoming more and more murky, 239 00:10:33,144 --> 00:10:36,224 Speaker 3: because I think I saw like around twenty five were 240 00:10:36,264 --> 00:10:38,904 Speaker 3: minus Yeah, so was that part of the three thousand. 241 00:10:39,104 --> 00:10:41,464 Speaker 2: Yes, again, it's all disturbing, but like every time you 242 00:10:41,544 --> 00:10:44,464 Speaker 2: hear another lady like that's even more disturbing. So they 243 00:10:44,504 --> 00:10:46,744 Speaker 2: went through they found one hundred and twenty lawsuits and yes, 244 00:10:46,824 --> 00:10:50,584 Speaker 2: twenty five were underage when the alleged abuse happened. Some 245 00:10:50,704 --> 00:10:53,744 Speaker 2: of the youngest victims are fourteen and fifteen. And one 246 00:10:53,784 --> 00:10:56,624 Speaker 2: of the stories that's emerged is an account for a 247 00:10:56,704 --> 00:11:00,024 Speaker 2: nine year old boy. In this case, what this boy, 248 00:11:00,064 --> 00:11:02,504 Speaker 2: who was not at the time, is alleging happened is 249 00:11:02,504 --> 00:11:04,344 Speaker 2: that he was taken to an audition in New York 250 00:11:04,384 --> 00:11:07,664 Speaker 2: with Bad Boy Records, and he is alleging that at 251 00:11:07,664 --> 00:11:10,824 Speaker 2: that time he was sexually abused by Sean Combe and 252 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:14,104 Speaker 2: also several other people in the studio and it was 253 00:11:14,144 --> 00:11:16,184 Speaker 2: all covered up and allowed to happen to him because 254 00:11:16,184 --> 00:11:19,144 Speaker 2: they promised his parents that if they went along with 255 00:11:19,184 --> 00:11:21,184 Speaker 2: it and kept quiet, they would give the boy a 256 00:11:21,224 --> 00:11:24,904 Speaker 2: record deal. And so Bad Boy Records at the time 257 00:11:25,024 --> 00:11:28,344 Speaker 2: had launched Notorious Big and Faith Evans and all these 258 00:11:28,344 --> 00:11:31,304 Speaker 2: other after Shawn Combs had founded the record company in 259 00:11:31,384 --> 00:11:33,744 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, it had launched all these big music careers. 260 00:11:33,784 --> 00:11:35,984 Speaker 2: It had a lot of power behind it. So it's 261 00:11:36,064 --> 00:11:37,784 Speaker 2: kind of thought that that happened a lot behind the 262 00:11:37,824 --> 00:11:41,384 Speaker 2: scenes of people being told that if they kept quiet 263 00:11:41,384 --> 00:11:43,384 Speaker 2: and they did what was asked of them at either 264 00:11:43,424 --> 00:11:46,464 Speaker 2: those freak off parties that we've talked about previously or 265 00:11:46,744 --> 00:11:49,464 Speaker 2: sexually assaulted in a room full of studio executives, and 266 00:11:49,624 --> 00:11:51,944 Speaker 2: their careers would be launched by Shawn Combs. 267 00:11:52,264 --> 00:11:54,624 Speaker 3: So what I'm trying to figure out is, like we 268 00:11:54,744 --> 00:11:57,904 Speaker 3: have talked about this in the past, and the call 269 00:11:57,944 --> 00:12:01,984 Speaker 3: out where he got three thousand people to voice their stories, 270 00:12:02,664 --> 00:12:04,984 Speaker 3: is that going to now be used as part of 271 00:12:04,984 --> 00:12:07,464 Speaker 3: the case against Shawn Combs? Like, can that be used? 272 00:12:07,664 --> 00:12:09,744 Speaker 2: Yes, they found one hundred and twenty credible ones out 273 00:12:09,744 --> 00:12:12,384 Speaker 2: of three thound and it doesn't mean the others weren't credible. 274 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:14,584 Speaker 2: It just could mean that. I mean, there's so many 275 00:12:14,624 --> 00:12:17,184 Speaker 2: things there wasn't proof, or the timelines didn't match up, 276 00:12:17,264 --> 00:12:19,144 Speaker 2: or they couldn't verify. But the fact that they've got 277 00:12:19,184 --> 00:12:21,304 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty that they're like these ones we 278 00:12:21,344 --> 00:12:24,984 Speaker 2: can progress with is quite intense, and yes, obviously he'll 279 00:12:25,024 --> 00:12:27,664 Speaker 2: be tried on different counts and different crimes and things. 280 00:12:27,544 --> 00:12:30,224 Speaker 3: Especially now that the miners could be involved. 281 00:12:29,944 --> 00:12:32,944 Speaker 2: Yes, which is obviously a huge deal. So basically a 282 00:12:32,944 --> 00:12:35,304 Speaker 2: lot of different crimes that he could be tried for 283 00:12:35,504 --> 00:12:37,904 Speaker 2: coming up at his trial in the future. And some 284 00:12:37,944 --> 00:12:39,904 Speaker 2: of the stories that are coming out, I mean, Busby 285 00:12:40,024 --> 00:12:42,104 Speaker 2: was kind of like sharing different ones of them in 286 00:12:42,144 --> 00:12:45,304 Speaker 2: the press conference. They're pretty much all pertaining to like 287 00:12:45,424 --> 00:12:48,984 Speaker 2: very violent sexual assault or rape and also the sexual 288 00:12:48,984 --> 00:12:51,704 Speaker 2: abuse of miners. And there's a lot of stories coming forward, 289 00:12:51,744 --> 00:12:54,104 Speaker 2: and what's interesting is they all really line up, like 290 00:12:54,184 --> 00:12:57,024 Speaker 2: so many of them start with this idea of being 291 00:12:57,104 --> 00:13:00,504 Speaker 2: at one of Sean Combs's infamous parties, So not just 292 00:13:00,584 --> 00:13:03,464 Speaker 2: the famous white parties with all the celebrities that used 293 00:13:03,464 --> 00:13:05,944 Speaker 2: to be there and like the Hampton's in La that 294 00:13:05,984 --> 00:13:09,024 Speaker 2: we've discussed, but these smaller, more intimate parties that were 295 00:13:09,024 --> 00:13:12,264 Speaker 2: held behind closed doors with like He's inner circle, and 296 00:13:12,624 --> 00:13:15,584 Speaker 2: there are accounts of him like locking the doors before 297 00:13:15,624 --> 00:13:17,664 Speaker 2: all of this came out at how bad the parties were. 298 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:19,664 Speaker 2: This is stuff he'd said in the public a lot 299 00:13:19,704 --> 00:13:20,384 Speaker 2: of the time. 300 00:13:20,264 --> 00:13:23,504 Speaker 3: Because I remember you said that he allegedly said in 301 00:13:23,664 --> 00:13:26,464 Speaker 3: interviews that he would get arrested, like he knew he 302 00:13:26,504 --> 00:13:27,024 Speaker 3: was going to get. 303 00:13:26,944 --> 00:13:28,824 Speaker 2: Arrestd Yes, he kind of joked about it. And at 304 00:13:28,864 --> 00:13:30,944 Speaker 2: the time, everyone just saw him as this big party player, 305 00:13:31,024 --> 00:13:33,904 Speaker 2: so and everyone wanted to go to a puff Daddy 306 00:13:33,904 --> 00:13:35,184 Speaker 2: at the time as he was no one or a 307 00:13:35,224 --> 00:13:36,744 Speaker 2: pddy or whatever his name was. 308 00:13:36,624 --> 00:13:38,344 Speaker 3: Was it like one of those parties that if you 309 00:13:38,344 --> 00:13:40,504 Speaker 3: were invited to and you went, you knew you were 310 00:13:40,544 --> 00:13:41,024 Speaker 3: like set. 311 00:13:40,904 --> 00:13:43,744 Speaker 2: Up for life. You're kind of on the inner fame circle. Yeah, 312 00:13:43,784 --> 00:13:45,504 Speaker 2: obviously the ones we're talking about here are the big, 313 00:13:45,544 --> 00:13:49,664 Speaker 2: forward facing parties where you have photographers and huge amounts 314 00:13:49,704 --> 00:13:52,744 Speaker 2: of celebrities. But even though, like when Shawn Combs would 315 00:13:52,744 --> 00:13:54,904 Speaker 2: give interview that, there's a few interviews that have resurfaced 316 00:13:54,944 --> 00:13:57,344 Speaker 2: now where yes, he does joke about being arrested, but 317 00:13:57,344 --> 00:13:59,224 Speaker 2: at the time you're just like, he's just throwing a 318 00:13:59,224 --> 00:14:00,944 Speaker 2: fun party, Like it doesn't sound. 319 00:14:01,024 --> 00:14:03,184 Speaker 3: Like it was right in front of our eyes. 320 00:14:03,304 --> 00:14:05,424 Speaker 2: And in one interview they also say to him, like, 321 00:14:05,464 --> 00:14:08,144 Speaker 2: what are your rules for throwing a good party? And 322 00:14:08,224 --> 00:14:09,944 Speaker 2: he talked about having like lots of hot people there 323 00:14:09,944 --> 00:14:12,104 Speaker 2: and stuff, which again at the time just seemed very innocent. 324 00:14:12,144 --> 00:14:14,344 Speaker 2: But he also said that he likes to lock the doors. 325 00:14:14,624 --> 00:14:16,464 Speaker 2: He said, if you make it harder for people to leave, 326 00:14:16,464 --> 00:14:18,704 Speaker 2: they won't want to leave, which again, at the time, 327 00:14:18,984 --> 00:14:19,824 Speaker 2: because you're thinking. 328 00:14:19,664 --> 00:14:22,304 Speaker 3: That everyone wants it's all content, But at the time, everyone. 329 00:14:22,024 --> 00:14:23,664 Speaker 2: Wanted to be there as far as we know, so 330 00:14:23,704 --> 00:14:25,344 Speaker 2: that doesn't sound bad. It's like a little joke, like 331 00:14:25,344 --> 00:14:26,864 Speaker 2: your friend's being over, like, look the doors. Not that 332 00:14:26,904 --> 00:14:28,264 Speaker 2: anyone us do that, but you know what I mean, 333 00:14:29,184 --> 00:14:31,544 Speaker 2: we live alone. On my get out, Yeah, I'll get 334 00:14:31,544 --> 00:14:33,664 Speaker 2: out of my house. He also talked about cranking the 335 00:14:33,704 --> 00:14:35,464 Speaker 2: heat up so it was always really hot, so people 336 00:14:35,504 --> 00:14:37,224 Speaker 2: would be more likely to take their clothes off and 337 00:14:37,264 --> 00:14:39,944 Speaker 2: more likely to drink more. And the drinking thing is 338 00:14:39,944 --> 00:14:42,224 Speaker 2: hard because in these interviews he'd always talk about having 339 00:14:42,264 --> 00:14:45,304 Speaker 2: crazy abounds of alcohol on hand. But what a lot 340 00:14:45,344 --> 00:14:47,264 Speaker 2: of people who out of these one hundred and twenty, 341 00:14:47,464 --> 00:14:50,464 Speaker 2: especially like new accusations that have come forward, a lot 342 00:14:50,504 --> 00:14:52,424 Speaker 2: of people are saying they were forced to drink these 343 00:14:52,504 --> 00:14:56,024 Speaker 2: laced cocktails when they went into these parties. And one 344 00:14:56,064 --> 00:14:58,224 Speaker 2: woman in particular, who obviously hasn't been named yet, but 345 00:14:58,304 --> 00:15:00,744 Speaker 2: she said, when you were handed a drink and then 346 00:15:00,784 --> 00:15:02,944 Speaker 2: you know the drink is laced with something, but if 347 00:15:02,984 --> 00:15:05,384 Speaker 2: you refuse to drink it, you were kicked out of 348 00:15:05,384 --> 00:15:08,224 Speaker 2: the party. And though and I think people just really 349 00:15:08,224 --> 00:15:11,904 Speaker 2: wanted to be on the inner sore one time those doors, yeah, exactly, 350 00:15:12,064 --> 00:15:13,864 Speaker 2: and then you drink it and then so a lot 351 00:15:13,904 --> 00:15:16,024 Speaker 2: of the sexual assaults and rapes happened while people were 352 00:15:16,024 --> 00:15:19,344 Speaker 2: intoxicated with these drugs, is the allegation that's out there, 353 00:15:19,384 --> 00:15:20,064 Speaker 2: and I read. 354 00:15:19,944 --> 00:15:23,224 Speaker 3: Like some insane drugs like horse tranquilizer and stuff. And 355 00:15:23,264 --> 00:15:28,104 Speaker 3: it's just so scary because it's always the case when 356 00:15:28,304 --> 00:15:32,544 Speaker 3: they bring in these allegations, and sometimes in cases like this, 357 00:15:32,624 --> 00:15:35,024 Speaker 3: they always use drugs as kind of an excuse of 358 00:15:35,064 --> 00:15:37,384 Speaker 3: like you don't actually remember what happened exactly. 359 00:15:37,424 --> 00:15:39,744 Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's going to plain into the credibility 360 00:15:39,784 --> 00:15:41,504 Speaker 2: of a lot of these stories, because we should say, 361 00:15:41,544 --> 00:15:45,784 Speaker 2: like Shawan Crombs in his team are very insistently every 362 00:15:45,824 --> 00:15:49,064 Speaker 2: time any kind of accusation has come out in the 363 00:15:49,104 --> 00:15:51,384 Speaker 2: past couple of months, from when he was first arrested, 364 00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:54,304 Speaker 2: from when his home was first rated and all of 365 00:15:54,344 --> 00:15:57,504 Speaker 2: these new accusations that have happened in the last week. 366 00:15:57,584 --> 00:16:00,104 Speaker 2: He and his team are saying that they're all completely false. 367 00:16:00,424 --> 00:16:02,824 Speaker 2: He's completely innocent, and he has said that he looks 368 00:16:02,864 --> 00:16:06,104 Speaker 2: forward to proving his innocence and like showing everyone there 369 00:16:06,104 --> 00:16:09,024 Speaker 2: wrong basically, So him and his team are really kind 370 00:16:09,024 --> 00:16:11,184 Speaker 2: of I mean, obviously this stage of the game, that 371 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,264 Speaker 2: is what you would say because it hasn't gone to 372 00:16:13,304 --> 00:16:16,384 Speaker 2: like a proper trial yet. But he's really maintaining his innocence. 373 00:16:18,664 --> 00:16:22,384 Speaker 3: So the last time we talked about Shawn Combs, we 374 00:16:22,384 --> 00:16:25,024 Speaker 3: were talking largely about the white parties and the celebrities 375 00:16:25,024 --> 00:16:27,424 Speaker 3: who have attended, which we have proof of because there 376 00:16:27,424 --> 00:16:30,424 Speaker 3: are photos, so just a jogging memory. Some of the 377 00:16:30,424 --> 00:16:33,624 Speaker 3: photos we have seen with big celebrity names have included 378 00:16:33,944 --> 00:16:37,104 Speaker 3: Jennifer Lopez, who we know was in a relationship with 379 00:16:37,184 --> 00:16:40,784 Speaker 3: him for some time, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jay Z, and Beyonce 380 00:16:40,944 --> 00:16:42,624 Speaker 3: so who I feel like they're the two names that 381 00:16:42,624 --> 00:16:45,224 Speaker 3: we've seen the most like come out of these allegations. 382 00:16:45,544 --> 00:16:51,384 Speaker 3: Mariah Carey, Nick Cannon, Paris Hilton Kardashians, Kelly Osborne, Aretha Franklin, 383 00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:55,624 Speaker 3: Tommy Lee, Martha Stewart, Sarah Jessica Parker, Like these are massive, 384 00:16:55,704 --> 00:16:58,304 Speaker 3: massive celebrities and We've also talked about Ashton Kutcher, who 385 00:16:58,344 --> 00:17:00,504 Speaker 3: has hosted a white party with Shawn Combs as. 386 00:17:00,464 --> 00:17:02,224 Speaker 2: Well, yes, and who has come out and said that 387 00:17:02,264 --> 00:17:04,184 Speaker 2: he has only been with him a small amount of times. 388 00:17:04,184 --> 00:17:06,144 Speaker 2: They've all been photographed. I think we should say that 389 00:17:06,264 --> 00:17:08,304 Speaker 2: this is the list of people who've been photographed at 390 00:17:08,344 --> 00:17:11,904 Speaker 2: these big front facing parts. Like we obviously don't know 391 00:17:12,024 --> 00:17:15,744 Speaker 2: who came to the other parties where the abuse is 392 00:17:15,784 --> 00:17:17,984 Speaker 2: alleged to take place. I just didn't think it's going 393 00:17:18,024 --> 00:17:20,104 Speaker 2: to get a little bit murky with you could just 394 00:17:20,144 --> 00:17:22,184 Speaker 2: be someone a celebrity who was at a Shawn Combs's 395 00:17:22,184 --> 00:17:24,864 Speaker 2: party with a thousand other people once, or go photographed 396 00:17:24,904 --> 00:17:26,984 Speaker 2: with him at a bar, Like there's photographs of Prince Harry, 397 00:17:27,024 --> 00:17:29,144 Speaker 2: were Shawn Combs at a party and everyone's like he 398 00:17:29,184 --> 00:17:30,944 Speaker 2: was involved, and it's like, we just don't. I'm not 399 00:17:30,944 --> 00:17:32,584 Speaker 2: saying he's not. We don't have that information. 400 00:17:32,904 --> 00:17:35,544 Speaker 3: It has been reported that he would invite both Prince 401 00:17:35,544 --> 00:17:38,144 Speaker 3: Harry and Prince William to the parties, but then stopped 402 00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:41,024 Speaker 3: inviting them when they got married. Oh and they never attended. 403 00:17:41,224 --> 00:17:44,984 Speaker 3: But it's also been reported that Denzel Washington yelled at 404 00:17:44,984 --> 00:17:47,664 Speaker 3: Shawn Combs during one of his parties, saying you don't 405 00:17:47,664 --> 00:17:51,704 Speaker 3: respect anyone, and he stormed out. And what I struggle 406 00:17:51,784 --> 00:17:56,304 Speaker 3: to understand is where does the line blur between who's 407 00:17:56,504 --> 00:18:00,144 Speaker 3: responsible and who was just a bystander? And like, our 408 00:18:00,184 --> 00:18:03,384 Speaker 3: bystander is also responsible. Because we have seen these white 409 00:18:03,384 --> 00:18:06,384 Speaker 3: parties and after Tony Busby said that like it was 410 00:18:06,424 --> 00:18:10,264 Speaker 3: a well known secret in the industry, is anyone actually 411 00:18:10,344 --> 00:18:12,464 Speaker 3: in the scent even if you attended these parties, Because 412 00:18:12,504 --> 00:18:14,264 Speaker 3: from what we can see, there have been so many 413 00:18:14,304 --> 00:18:18,464 Speaker 3: allegations of celebrities knowing that they had to leave these 414 00:18:18,504 --> 00:18:21,704 Speaker 3: parties at a certain time, and them leaving at a 415 00:18:21,704 --> 00:18:24,824 Speaker 3: certain time only protects themselves. It does not protect the 416 00:18:25,144 --> 00:18:28,104 Speaker 3: women who were allegedly being abused behind the scenes. It 417 00:18:28,144 --> 00:18:30,704 Speaker 3: doesn't protect the women who were at the private parties 418 00:18:31,064 --> 00:18:33,824 Speaker 3: they didn't go to. It feels like that they all 419 00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:37,064 Speaker 3: knew it was happening and they can get away with 420 00:18:37,104 --> 00:18:40,024 Speaker 3: it because they are saying that they didn't actually see it. 421 00:18:40,024 --> 00:18:41,984 Speaker 2: It's a hard one because if you look at those 422 00:18:42,184 --> 00:18:44,624 Speaker 2: photos from like the initial White party days, like in 423 00:18:44,664 --> 00:18:47,024 Speaker 2: their glory days, and there's over a thousand people there 424 00:18:47,024 --> 00:18:49,224 Speaker 2: and there's members of the press like invited to take 425 00:18:49,264 --> 00:18:51,624 Speaker 2: pre photos and stuff, maybe to being overly naive, but 426 00:18:51,664 --> 00:18:53,424 Speaker 2: I do find it hard to believe that every person 427 00:18:53,464 --> 00:18:55,864 Speaker 2: at that event knew the extent of what was going 428 00:18:55,904 --> 00:18:57,944 Speaker 2: on and was covering it up. What I'd say is 429 00:18:57,984 --> 00:18:59,744 Speaker 2: more likely is that there were layers. There's the top 430 00:18:59,784 --> 00:19:01,944 Speaker 2: layer of people who just came for the little photo 431 00:19:02,024 --> 00:19:04,184 Speaker 2: op and had a drink and left and who wouldn't 432 00:19:04,184 --> 00:19:06,424 Speaker 2: know about it. And then there were the people who 433 00:19:06,504 --> 00:19:09,304 Speaker 2: were there during the late hours when everyone was drunken 434 00:19:09,384 --> 00:19:12,024 Speaker 2: as Chloe Cutshiss, drunken naked like those could just be 435 00:19:12,104 --> 00:19:14,624 Speaker 2: really wild parties, which I think is very like PAF 436 00:19:14,664 --> 00:19:16,864 Speaker 2: of the course with these You've got to think these 437 00:19:16,864 --> 00:19:19,344 Speaker 2: people have a huge amount of money, They live these big, 438 00:19:19,384 --> 00:19:22,304 Speaker 2: extreme lifestyles. This is what they're doing all the time. 439 00:19:22,384 --> 00:19:24,824 Speaker 2: So sometimes I think his parties would have felt very 440 00:19:24,864 --> 00:19:28,064 Speaker 2: similar to the other big celebrity blowouts. I mean even 441 00:19:28,104 --> 00:19:30,744 Speaker 2: the after party for the award shows get Yeah, just 442 00:19:30,784 --> 00:19:32,544 Speaker 2: as loose as this. And then I think there's the 443 00:19:32,584 --> 00:19:35,664 Speaker 2: next layer of people who had heard what is happening, 444 00:19:35,704 --> 00:19:38,544 Speaker 2: like heard whispers in terms of like, oh that freak 445 00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:41,344 Speaker 2: off party last night turned ugly with those women or something, 446 00:19:41,344 --> 00:19:43,024 Speaker 2: you know, that sort of stuff, but weren't there. And 447 00:19:43,064 --> 00:19:45,224 Speaker 2: then you've got the layer of people who were there sometimes. 448 00:19:45,304 --> 00:19:46,824 Speaker 2: And then you've got the layer of people, which I'm 449 00:19:46,824 --> 00:19:50,504 Speaker 2: assuming is much smaller, who were there and really involved 450 00:19:50,504 --> 00:19:52,704 Speaker 2: in it. And I guess that's what's going to come 451 00:19:52,744 --> 00:19:54,384 Speaker 2: out at the trial is. 452 00:19:54,064 --> 00:19:56,904 Speaker 3: Is that what I'm really interested. I'm really interested in 453 00:19:56,944 --> 00:20:00,704 Speaker 3: the trial because for me, all the celebrities, if they 454 00:20:00,744 --> 00:20:04,504 Speaker 3: get interviewed for it, it's like they're reasoning behind why 455 00:20:04,544 --> 00:20:06,944 Speaker 3: they left the parties. Yeah, Like I want to know 456 00:20:07,184 --> 00:20:09,984 Speaker 3: why you knew to leave, like what made you leave 457 00:20:10,024 --> 00:20:13,144 Speaker 3: the Yeah? And I think that will show everyone who 458 00:20:13,464 --> 00:20:15,144 Speaker 3: knew and who did it exactly. 459 00:20:15,224 --> 00:20:16,784 Speaker 2: And it's also hard to know this stage of like 460 00:20:16,784 --> 00:20:18,584 Speaker 2: because there's so many names now, Like I mean, you 461 00:20:18,624 --> 00:20:20,024 Speaker 2: mentioned all those ones at the top, but there's so 462 00:20:20,024 --> 00:20:22,824 Speaker 2: many other names that have been pulled in in different ways. Obviously, 463 00:20:22,864 --> 00:20:25,304 Speaker 2: Ashton Kutsch has been really at the forefront of it, 464 00:20:25,344 --> 00:20:27,784 Speaker 2: and his team has issued some statements saying well, I 465 00:20:27,784 --> 00:20:30,024 Speaker 2: mean they've issued them to people like under the Radar 466 00:20:30,064 --> 00:20:32,624 Speaker 2: because I don't want people to really draw attention to him. 467 00:20:32,824 --> 00:20:35,544 Speaker 2: But things like there's all these unearthed interviews now with 468 00:20:35,584 --> 00:20:37,464 Speaker 2: Shawn Colme's coming out, and they're like, who's the one 469 00:20:37,504 --> 00:20:39,744 Speaker 2: person if you really want to party, if you really 470 00:20:39,744 --> 00:20:41,624 Speaker 2: want to have a good time, who's the one person 471 00:20:41,664 --> 00:20:44,984 Speaker 2: you call over? And he said, Leonardo DiCaprio, And so 472 00:20:45,184 --> 00:20:47,344 Speaker 2: we don't know anything, like but it does look bad 473 00:20:47,384 --> 00:20:49,824 Speaker 2: for Leonardo DiCaprio that he has been really centered at 474 00:20:49,824 --> 00:20:52,224 Speaker 2: the forefront of this. And then you've got something like 475 00:20:52,264 --> 00:20:54,944 Speaker 2: an interview with Usher, who has worked with Shawn Cromes 476 00:20:54,984 --> 00:20:58,104 Speaker 2: before and being asked in interviews like do you stay 477 00:20:58,104 --> 00:20:59,544 Speaker 2: at those parties? And he was kind of like shaking, 478 00:20:59,544 --> 00:21:01,424 Speaker 2: he said, He's like, hell, no, absolutely not. And they're like, 479 00:21:01,424 --> 00:21:03,504 Speaker 2: would you let your kids go to a Shawn Colme's party? 480 00:21:03,504 --> 00:21:07,064 Speaker 2: And he's like absolutely, which is insane. Yeah, It's like 481 00:21:07,264 --> 00:21:09,304 Speaker 2: but you've got at the time, it was just that 482 00:21:09,344 --> 00:21:11,184 Speaker 2: they were these big party and you've got to remember 483 00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:13,424 Speaker 2: that Sean Combs really when he talked to the parties, 484 00:21:13,424 --> 00:21:15,504 Speaker 2: he would talk about bringing people from like his old 485 00:21:15,544 --> 00:21:18,224 Speaker 2: neighborhood and his friends together with all these famous people 486 00:21:18,264 --> 00:21:20,224 Speaker 2: and everyone's in white, so that they looked the same 487 00:21:20,304 --> 00:21:22,624 Speaker 2: and no one was judging anyone, which obviously wasn't the case. 488 00:21:22,664 --> 00:21:24,344 Speaker 2: But you know, and he was like, we're gonna push 489 00:21:24,344 --> 00:21:26,504 Speaker 2: against the system. They can't stop us having a good time. 490 00:21:26,824 --> 00:21:28,704 Speaker 2: It was almost seen this is like rebellious, like this 491 00:21:28,744 --> 00:21:32,024 Speaker 2: man's trying to like create this party utopia for us. 492 00:21:32,344 --> 00:21:34,224 Speaker 2: And so people who were being like, oh, no, those 493 00:21:34,264 --> 00:21:36,224 Speaker 2: parties are while like I wouldn't let my kids go there, 494 00:21:36,784 --> 00:21:38,824 Speaker 2: I wouldn't stay lay. Yeah, I wouldn't say like that. 495 00:21:38,824 --> 00:21:41,144 Speaker 2: That looks bad now, But I'm just thinking like with 496 00:21:41,424 --> 00:21:43,464 Speaker 2: just how the information was taken. At the time, everyone 497 00:21:43,544 --> 00:21:46,504 Speaker 2: was talking the same language because the agreed upon thing 498 00:21:46,664 --> 00:21:50,424 Speaker 2: was that these parties were a wild time. But everyone 499 00:21:50,464 --> 00:21:52,624 Speaker 2: there was consenting to that wild time and that was 500 00:21:52,664 --> 00:21:54,904 Speaker 2: the difference. And now it's. 501 00:21:54,784 --> 00:21:57,664 Speaker 3: Also the celebrity is saying like us there saying no 502 00:21:57,824 --> 00:21:59,584 Speaker 3: I left, or like no, I will never take my 503 00:21:59,664 --> 00:22:03,064 Speaker 3: kids there. But like them having the power because I 504 00:22:03,104 --> 00:22:05,144 Speaker 3: had these a less celebrities, them having the power to 505 00:22:05,144 --> 00:22:07,824 Speaker 3: not have to explain why exactly. Now they're going to 506 00:22:07,904 --> 00:22:08,944 Speaker 3: have to explain why. 507 00:22:08,864 --> 00:22:11,304 Speaker 2: Exactly if they get kind of pulled in to appear 508 00:22:11,344 --> 00:22:13,824 Speaker 2: in Courton to testify in the trial. Again, there's so 509 00:22:13,864 --> 00:22:15,224 Speaker 2: many names that have kind of wrapped up in this. 510 00:22:15,344 --> 00:22:18,224 Speaker 2: So like Justin Bieber's come up many times. No information 511 00:22:18,304 --> 00:22:20,184 Speaker 2: is known yet, like he and his team have not 512 00:22:20,224 --> 00:22:22,424 Speaker 2: spoken about it, and his name hasn't been listed in 513 00:22:22,424 --> 00:22:24,304 Speaker 2: any of the court documents to be made public. 514 00:22:24,384 --> 00:22:26,384 Speaker 3: He would have been quite young, Yeah, what was he like. 515 00:22:26,344 --> 00:22:28,984 Speaker 2: Ten or something or twelve when he like really shot 516 00:22:29,024 --> 00:22:30,864 Speaker 2: to think he was like around twelve. 517 00:22:30,944 --> 00:22:33,144 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then when he had that episode in Sydney 518 00:22:33,144 --> 00:22:34,704 Speaker 3: where he lost his hat and stuff and it went 519 00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:36,344 Speaker 3: around to New Zealand and that was when he was 520 00:22:36,384 --> 00:22:38,224 Speaker 3: sorry when he was like fifteen sixteen. 521 00:22:38,304 --> 00:22:40,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's crazy young. But also there was 522 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:41,904 Speaker 2: like the years of build up to that, so Sean 523 00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:44,504 Speaker 2: Combs was like a bit involved with him at the time. 524 00:22:44,584 --> 00:22:46,584 Speaker 2: And there are these interviews where he's saying that he's 525 00:22:46,624 --> 00:22:49,704 Speaker 2: taking Justin Bieber out for his like a dream night 526 00:22:49,744 --> 00:22:52,624 Speaker 2: out for like a teenage boy, and the camera's like 527 00:22:52,664 --> 00:22:54,784 Speaker 2: to Justin, what is your dream night out? And he 528 00:22:54,824 --> 00:22:56,664 Speaker 2: was kind of like, yeah, like a big party and stuff. 529 00:22:56,704 --> 00:22:58,624 Speaker 2: And now people are looking back at that and saying like, 530 00:22:59,104 --> 00:23:00,544 Speaker 2: was he involved in it? Was he part of the 531 00:23:00,584 --> 00:23:02,584 Speaker 2: cover up? Or was he part of the other side? 532 00:23:02,744 --> 00:23:05,104 Speaker 2: And I just think that's jumping ahead quite a bit. 533 00:23:05,144 --> 00:23:07,144 Speaker 2: Like obviously doesn't look good on paper, but I just 534 00:23:07,184 --> 00:23:09,184 Speaker 2: think that's jumping ahead quite a bit to sort of 535 00:23:09,224 --> 00:23:11,904 Speaker 2: take one into where he went to a party with 536 00:23:11,904 --> 00:23:14,984 Speaker 2: Sean colmb's to then say that he's involved in this 537 00:23:15,184 --> 00:23:18,184 Speaker 2: is just yeah, taking it too far. And the other side, 538 00:23:18,184 --> 00:23:19,544 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've found your way to this 539 00:23:19,624 --> 00:23:21,984 Speaker 2: part of the internet yet, but there's a lot of 540 00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:24,224 Speaker 2: people out there that are dedicating their entire life to 541 00:23:24,744 --> 00:23:26,904 Speaker 2: trying to prove this point. Is that people think that 542 00:23:26,944 --> 00:23:28,904 Speaker 2: Beyonce is heavily involved in the cover up. 543 00:23:28,984 --> 00:23:33,064 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have seen that. It's hard because there have 544 00:23:33,184 --> 00:23:37,264 Speaker 3: been many photos of Beyonce and jay Z with Shawn Combs, 545 00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:40,184 Speaker 3: not even like at parties, but just like hanging out 546 00:23:40,184 --> 00:23:41,024 Speaker 3: as friends. 547 00:23:41,424 --> 00:23:41,704 Speaker 2: Yeah. 548 00:23:41,744 --> 00:23:45,624 Speaker 3: And what is confusing to me is out of all 549 00:23:45,664 --> 00:23:48,824 Speaker 3: of these celebrities, like Jennifer Lopez dated him, out of 550 00:23:48,864 --> 00:23:51,224 Speaker 3: all of you the years, out of all of these celebrities, 551 00:23:51,344 --> 00:23:54,704 Speaker 3: I'm interested in why we're only talking about Beyonce. 552 00:23:55,024 --> 00:23:56,264 Speaker 2: Well exactly, that's the thing. 553 00:23:56,464 --> 00:23:56,704 Speaker 1: I mean. 554 00:23:56,784 --> 00:23:58,344 Speaker 2: The first thing to remember again is like we don't 555 00:23:58,344 --> 00:24:00,744 Speaker 2: have any information about who was involved and who wasn't. 556 00:24:01,024 --> 00:24:02,224 Speaker 2: I think jumping to these. 557 00:24:01,984 --> 00:24:03,544 Speaker 3: And I don't want to be that person, because I 558 00:24:03,544 --> 00:24:05,784 Speaker 3: think everyone should be held the counter. Yeah, but everyone 559 00:24:05,824 --> 00:24:08,704 Speaker 3: who's been at those parties needs to have like answers. 560 00:24:08,984 --> 00:24:11,704 Speaker 3: But it is interesting saying that she's the one name 561 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:13,904 Speaker 3: that people are constantly bringing up. 562 00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:15,544 Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent, it's because and a little bit 563 00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:18,144 Speaker 2: of Jennifer Lopez as well. I think it's people always 564 00:24:18,144 --> 00:24:20,944 Speaker 2: want to center women, especially like these kind of powerful, 565 00:24:21,024 --> 00:24:24,864 Speaker 2: seemingly untouchable women at the center of scandal. And so 566 00:24:25,424 --> 00:24:28,384 Speaker 2: even though Beyonce hasn't been mentioned in anything yet apart 567 00:24:28,384 --> 00:24:30,864 Speaker 2: from the fact that she was one of many, many, 568 00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:33,864 Speaker 2: many celebrities, hundreds of celebrities who has photos with him 569 00:24:33,904 --> 00:24:35,664 Speaker 2: and obviously they seem too close to friends and just 570 00:24:35,704 --> 00:24:37,784 Speaker 2: like met at a party. But at the same time, 571 00:24:37,864 --> 00:24:40,584 Speaker 2: I think it's a wild accusation to like, I have 572 00:24:40,664 --> 00:24:42,344 Speaker 2: seen the threads that people are posted. I don't want 573 00:24:42,384 --> 00:24:44,064 Speaker 2: to sort of start listing the facts because I just 574 00:24:44,104 --> 00:24:45,984 Speaker 2: feel like, I mean, the facts that they think they have. 575 00:24:46,424 --> 00:24:49,104 Speaker 2: Some people have done deep dive investigations and they're coming 576 00:24:49,184 --> 00:24:52,304 Speaker 2: up with timelines. They're going back through all Beyonce interviews 577 00:24:52,344 --> 00:24:54,344 Speaker 2: trying to like catch her out on different things. 578 00:24:54,424 --> 00:24:57,464 Speaker 3: And it's also because she has made her whole brand 579 00:24:57,504 --> 00:25:00,864 Speaker 3: about like women empowerment, girls run the world. And then 580 00:25:01,104 --> 00:25:05,024 Speaker 3: if she is allegedly complicit in this or saw what 581 00:25:05,104 --> 00:25:08,104 Speaker 3: was happening, it goes completely against what she was putting on. 582 00:25:09,224 --> 00:25:11,504 Speaker 3: Like the other celebrities mentioned that guests haven't made that 583 00:25:11,584 --> 00:25:12,664 Speaker 3: their brand in such a. 584 00:25:12,624 --> 00:25:15,744 Speaker 2: Say exactly, although anyone obviously who has covered this up 585 00:25:15,824 --> 00:25:18,944 Speaker 2: or just even just turned away from it is very complicit. 586 00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:20,664 Speaker 2: But the thing is, it's not going to be someone 587 00:25:20,704 --> 00:25:23,024 Speaker 2: on the internet that like catches beyond fay out, do 588 00:25:23,024 --> 00:25:24,504 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, if she is involved 589 00:25:24,504 --> 00:25:26,904 Speaker 2: for some reason, which we have no proof of that yet. 590 00:25:26,944 --> 00:25:29,704 Speaker 2: If she is, it'll be the lawyers and their teams 591 00:25:29,704 --> 00:25:32,224 Speaker 2: and the police who are going through the information. It's 592 00:25:32,224 --> 00:25:34,904 Speaker 2: not gonna be someone of the internet from like to that, Yeah, 593 00:25:35,064 --> 00:25:36,824 Speaker 2: says well on a red carpet, she said she loved 594 00:25:36,824 --> 00:25:38,744 Speaker 2: Deshaun Holm's party. So I just I just feel like 595 00:25:38,744 --> 00:25:41,344 Speaker 2: that's also straying away from the information we have, which 596 00:25:41,384 --> 00:25:44,424 Speaker 2: is what these one hundred and twenty new victims are saying. 597 00:25:44,504 --> 00:25:47,304 Speaker 2: What people have said before that like Cassie who was 598 00:25:47,344 --> 00:25:49,264 Speaker 2: in the long term relationship with him, Like the statements 599 00:25:49,344 --> 00:25:51,584 Speaker 2: she's made I feel like people just like to jump 600 00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:55,664 Speaker 2: on the Beyonce Jennifer Lopez conspiracy theories because that feels 601 00:25:55,664 --> 00:25:58,024 Speaker 2: like fun and bad and also I think is a 602 00:25:58,024 --> 00:26:00,304 Speaker 2: bit of escapism from kind of like reading through. 603 00:26:00,304 --> 00:26:02,384 Speaker 3: It makes it feel less real. Yeah, I don't think 604 00:26:02,424 --> 00:26:03,504 Speaker 3: that's fair to the victims. 605 00:26:03,664 --> 00:26:05,664 Speaker 2: No, not at all. So all we know at this 606 00:26:05,744 --> 00:26:09,544 Speaker 2: stage is that he remains in custody. More information they've 607 00:26:09,544 --> 00:26:12,264 Speaker 2: said from the league team about these different claims will 608 00:26:12,264 --> 00:26:13,784 Speaker 2: come forward, is going to come out, So it's going 609 00:26:13,864 --> 00:26:16,184 Speaker 2: to be a very long process, but I just think 610 00:26:16,224 --> 00:26:17,984 Speaker 2: one that we should all be keeping across. 611 00:26:18,224 --> 00:26:20,424 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 612 00:26:20,504 --> 00:26:22,904 Speaker 3: If you want more content on Sean Combs, we will 613 00:26:22,944 --> 00:26:24,744 Speaker 3: put a link to all of our coverage we've been 614 00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:27,344 Speaker 3: doing on the mummea website, and we'll also link our 615 00:26:27,504 --> 00:26:29,904 Speaker 3: last episode that we did on him. The Spill is 616 00:26:29,944 --> 00:26:32,944 Speaker 3: produced by Kimberly Bradish with audio production by Scott Stronik. 617 00:26:33,104 --> 00:26:35,184 Speaker 3: We will see you back here in your podcast feed 618 00:26:35,184 --> 00:26:36,424 Speaker 3: at three pm tomorrow. 619 00:26:36,544 --> 00:26:42,544 Speaker 2: Bye bye.