1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,584 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:29,744 Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,784 --> 00:00:32,944 Speaker 1: Brodnick and today I'm joined by I'm Cancna luc It 7 00:00:33,584 --> 00:00:35,104 Speaker 1: back on the show, chaw Well. We had to get 8 00:00:35,104 --> 00:00:37,264 Speaker 1: you back today because we're talking about one of our 9 00:00:37,304 --> 00:00:39,304 Speaker 1: I feel like our joint favorite subjects. I feel like 10 00:00:39,304 --> 00:00:42,064 Speaker 1: we've been on this journey together for a few weeks. 11 00:00:42,144 --> 00:00:46,464 Speaker 1: Megan Michael's new line has officially launched, and she's done 12 00:00:46,464 --> 00:00:48,784 Speaker 1: a bit of a tell all interview talking about some 13 00:00:48,824 --> 00:00:51,384 Speaker 1: of the bigger controversies around her kitchen, her home. So 14 00:00:51,384 --> 00:00:52,224 Speaker 1: we're going to get into that. 15 00:00:52,384 --> 00:00:55,024 Speaker 2: Look it's not too in depth, but yes, she did 16 00:00:55,064 --> 00:00:57,104 Speaker 2: an interview with The New York Times. We'll get into 17 00:00:57,184 --> 00:01:00,384 Speaker 2: it and we'll tell you all about her new lifestyle line. 18 00:01:00,464 --> 00:01:04,064 Speaker 1: Yes, and also one of our favorite NEPO babies, Apple Martin. 19 00:01:04,224 --> 00:01:06,264 Speaker 1: She has done a bit of an interesting, in depth 20 00:01:06,304 --> 00:01:09,344 Speaker 1: interview and she's talked about some of the viral moments 21 00:01:09,384 --> 00:01:11,704 Speaker 1: that we've talked about on this podcast before. Given a 22 00:01:11,704 --> 00:01:14,424 Speaker 1: bit of insight into her famous family's life. So we're 23 00:01:14,424 --> 00:01:17,224 Speaker 1: going to get into that, but first, a bit of 24 00:01:17,304 --> 00:01:19,144 Speaker 1: chaos on the streets of Sydney last night. 25 00:01:19,464 --> 00:01:23,664 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I'm so jealous. I've got massive fomo. 26 00:01:24,104 --> 00:01:26,104 Speaker 1: Also, you're a big fan of The Last of Us. 27 00:01:26,144 --> 00:01:27,664 Speaker 3: I love The Last of Us? 28 00:01:27,824 --> 00:01:29,744 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it so much. Do you 29 00:01:29,904 --> 00:01:34,184 Speaker 1: like that type of like apocalyptic sort of sci fi ish? 30 00:01:34,224 --> 00:01:39,344 Speaker 2: I really enjoy a dystopian series, like anything dystopian. I 31 00:01:39,824 --> 00:01:41,704 Speaker 2: loved Walking Dead, but. 32 00:01:42,064 --> 00:01:43,664 Speaker 1: I don't know, how have we not talked about this before. 33 00:01:43,704 --> 00:01:44,624 Speaker 1: That's like my whole life. 34 00:01:44,784 --> 00:01:48,504 Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I loved Walking Dead and then you know, 35 00:01:48,784 --> 00:01:51,384 Speaker 2: Last of Us came out and it was so different 36 00:01:51,504 --> 00:01:57,104 Speaker 2: from your typical zombie movie because it followed it after 37 00:01:57,464 --> 00:01:59,904 Speaker 2: like it wasn't immediately, it was, you know, a couple 38 00:01:59,904 --> 00:02:02,104 Speaker 2: of years, and I just thought it was a really 39 00:02:02,144 --> 00:02:05,464 Speaker 2: amazing concept. I am sorry to say that because it's 40 00:02:05,464 --> 00:02:08,264 Speaker 2: been so long since the first season, I've kind of 41 00:02:08,304 --> 00:02:09,984 Speaker 2: forgotten a lot of what happens, So I need to 42 00:02:10,024 --> 00:02:10,824 Speaker 2: go back a rewatch. 43 00:02:10,904 --> 00:02:12,984 Speaker 1: I would go into a rewatch because there's so many 44 00:02:13,024 --> 00:02:15,144 Speaker 1: like important plot points and things that it has been 45 00:02:15,144 --> 00:02:17,064 Speaker 1: a while so it's coming out in like just over 46 00:02:17,104 --> 00:02:19,504 Speaker 1: a week. So last night they had the Last of 47 00:02:19,584 --> 00:02:23,144 Speaker 1: US Season two premiere in Australia also to celebrate the 48 00:02:23,184 --> 00:02:25,784 Speaker 1: launch of Max, which is a new streaming service into Australia, 49 00:02:25,824 --> 00:02:28,024 Speaker 1: which is going to have the Last of US Season 50 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:29,944 Speaker 1: two on it. And do you know that like when 51 00:02:29,944 --> 00:02:32,624 Speaker 1: they do these big events at the State Theater in Sydney, 52 00:02:32,864 --> 00:02:33,264 Speaker 1: So if. 53 00:02:33,144 --> 00:02:35,584 Speaker 2: You don't know, the State Theater in Sydney is like 54 00:02:35,824 --> 00:02:39,544 Speaker 2: right on Pitt Street just stop pit straight. Mall very 55 00:02:39,664 --> 00:02:43,824 Speaker 2: very busy, and when they close off that straight, it 56 00:02:43,984 --> 00:02:45,984 Speaker 2: is chaotic. 57 00:02:45,824 --> 00:02:47,944 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you have all these fans, which we talked 58 00:02:47,944 --> 00:02:49,584 Speaker 1: a ut before, but I'm always so impressed with all 59 00:02:49,584 --> 00:02:52,344 Speaker 1: of these people who come hours and hours before an 60 00:02:52,344 --> 00:02:55,144 Speaker 1: event and they line the streets. You know, we saw 61 00:02:55,144 --> 00:02:57,624 Speaker 1: it at the Wicked premiere. We saw it challenges that 62 00:02:57,624 --> 00:02:59,984 Speaker 1: people wanted to see Zendea and they just stand in 63 00:03:00,024 --> 00:03:02,264 Speaker 1: these lines for hours and hours and hours just for 64 00:03:02,264 --> 00:03:04,584 Speaker 1: the idea of like a glimpse across the street at 65 00:03:04,584 --> 00:03:06,304 Speaker 1: these people they love. And I always just think I 66 00:03:06,344 --> 00:03:08,384 Speaker 1: wish I loved anything that much. Like I actually think 67 00:03:08,384 --> 00:03:10,824 Speaker 1: it's quite impressive and I feel very sorry for like 68 00:03:10,864 --> 00:03:12,624 Speaker 1: them having to stand outside for so long. 69 00:03:12,784 --> 00:03:15,144 Speaker 2: Honestly, I went to the Wicked premiere. This is my 70 00:03:15,184 --> 00:03:17,344 Speaker 2: little like jump in here. I went to the Wicked 71 00:03:17,344 --> 00:03:20,704 Speaker 2: premiere with Camilla. Yeah, yeah, Frank and we were all 72 00:03:20,704 --> 00:03:23,344 Speaker 2: at the State Theater. And then this is the funniest thing. 73 00:03:23,384 --> 00:03:25,544 Speaker 2: We all had to go out get into cars and 74 00:03:25,544 --> 00:03:27,304 Speaker 2: go around the block so that we could get to 75 00:03:27,344 --> 00:03:27,824 Speaker 2: the red car. 76 00:03:28,224 --> 00:03:30,664 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because niche problem guys for us if you 77 00:03:30,704 --> 00:03:32,384 Speaker 1: come in the wrong side of that red car but 78 00:03:32,424 --> 00:03:36,504 Speaker 1: your life is over, you cannot get in it. And 79 00:03:36,584 --> 00:03:38,744 Speaker 1: Sydney trying to get through. So last night they had 80 00:03:38,744 --> 00:03:40,424 Speaker 1: that set up and they had the red carpet outside 81 00:03:40,464 --> 00:03:42,904 Speaker 1: the State Theater, and because it's a post apocalyptic show, 82 00:03:42,944 --> 00:03:45,704 Speaker 1: they had like trash cars and like they'd done all 83 00:03:45,704 --> 00:03:47,664 Speaker 1: the greenery and all the sorts of things you have 84 00:03:47,824 --> 00:03:50,144 Speaker 1: like in the show. Because it's been so long since 85 00:03:50,144 --> 00:03:52,744 Speaker 1: the world shut down, they have like all the buildings 86 00:03:52,784 --> 00:03:57,904 Speaker 1: overgrown with like plants and trees and you know, and yeah, exactly, 87 00:03:57,984 --> 00:03:59,664 Speaker 1: so their state they're all done up like that. And 88 00:03:59,744 --> 00:04:01,544 Speaker 1: what was really interesting is that they had a lot 89 00:04:01,584 --> 00:04:04,024 Speaker 1: of the cast, including Bella Ramsey, who's the star of 90 00:04:04,024 --> 00:04:07,224 Speaker 1: the show, who plays Ellie there and that was incredible 91 00:04:07,264 --> 00:04:09,424 Speaker 1: to see. And when the cast all came in, so 92 00:04:09,464 --> 00:04:11,584 Speaker 1: it was like Kaitlin d were in Bella Ramsey and 93 00:04:11,624 --> 00:04:13,664 Speaker 1: all the rest of the cast. They came into the 94 00:04:13,664 --> 00:04:16,944 Speaker 1: theater and were up on stage, and Bella Ramsey in particular, 95 00:04:17,144 --> 00:04:19,584 Speaker 1: they have spoken before about getting it quite overwhelmed at 96 00:04:19,584 --> 00:04:23,184 Speaker 1: crowds and things, and as they arrived at the premiere, 97 00:04:23,384 --> 00:04:26,664 Speaker 1: that's when the fans were going crazy. So in the theater, Bella, 98 00:04:26,704 --> 00:04:28,904 Speaker 1: who plays one of the Lee characters, was saying, like, 99 00:04:28,984 --> 00:04:31,824 Speaker 1: what an intense experience it is to have people yell 100 00:04:31,864 --> 00:04:33,464 Speaker 1: at them, but they just had to sort of keep 101 00:04:33,504 --> 00:04:36,384 Speaker 1: calm and they were like dancing on stage, kind of 102 00:04:36,424 --> 00:04:37,904 Speaker 1: just swaying back and forth. I think it's like a 103 00:04:37,904 --> 00:04:39,664 Speaker 1: comfort thing, you know, just to kind of feel like 104 00:04:39,744 --> 00:04:42,224 Speaker 1: in the moment. And then we did like a Q 105 00:04:42,344 --> 00:04:45,104 Speaker 1: and A with the cast, and it was Pedro Pascal's birthday, 106 00:04:45,104 --> 00:04:49,704 Speaker 1: who's obviously the other big star of the last No 107 00:04:49,944 --> 00:04:51,984 Speaker 1: And that's what the host said on the night, like 108 00:04:52,024 --> 00:04:54,304 Speaker 1: it was Pedro's birthday, so he didn't come, and I 109 00:04:54,344 --> 00:04:55,944 Speaker 1: was like, God, Pedro. I mean also maybe he was 110 00:04:55,984 --> 00:04:58,664 Speaker 1: quite worried about because people love him so much that 111 00:04:58,744 --> 00:05:01,104 Speaker 1: he would have been like stalked on the streets of Sydney. 112 00:05:02,584 --> 00:05:04,424 Speaker 3: For four hours the road. 113 00:05:04,504 --> 00:05:06,224 Speaker 1: You were one of those people in the crowd affair. 114 00:05:07,784 --> 00:05:13,344 Speaker 2: But yes, he's amazing. But Bella, there's such a talented actor. 115 00:05:13,584 --> 00:05:14,544 Speaker 1: Oh incredible. 116 00:05:14,824 --> 00:05:15,744 Speaker 3: I think they've. 117 00:05:15,584 --> 00:05:17,664 Speaker 2: Done a really beautiful job and I'm really excited to 118 00:05:17,704 --> 00:05:18,384 Speaker 2: see season two. 119 00:05:18,704 --> 00:05:20,504 Speaker 3: You saw the first episode. 120 00:05:20,064 --> 00:05:21,864 Speaker 1: Yes, I did. So. They were up on stage and 121 00:05:21,904 --> 00:05:23,744 Speaker 1: it was so funny because it was Pedro's birthday. Bella 122 00:05:23,904 --> 00:05:26,064 Speaker 1: got their phone out and were the whole audience saying 123 00:05:26,064 --> 00:05:28,704 Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Pedro and filmed it to send to 124 00:05:28,784 --> 00:05:30,384 Speaker 1: him and kind of be like, look, it's your birthday, 125 00:05:30,424 --> 00:05:33,064 Speaker 1: Astoria saying happy birthday to you, and then the cast left. 126 00:05:33,064 --> 00:05:35,864 Speaker 1: And yes, then we saw the first episode of season two, 127 00:05:36,344 --> 00:05:39,384 Speaker 1: and I was literally squealing in my chair because I 128 00:05:39,384 --> 00:05:41,384 Speaker 1: love this show so much, and I also love I 129 00:05:41,384 --> 00:05:43,944 Speaker 1: get really angry when people sort of write off shows 130 00:05:43,944 --> 00:05:46,464 Speaker 1: that have any kind of sci fi other worldly element 131 00:05:46,504 --> 00:05:49,024 Speaker 1: as being like silly or not important. And I love 132 00:05:49,024 --> 00:05:52,224 Speaker 1: how much critical acclaim this show has got because I 133 00:05:52,224 --> 00:05:55,064 Speaker 1: think it shows that you can have these like sci fi, 134 00:05:55,544 --> 00:05:57,664 Speaker 1: those kind of shows and that they can beat these 135 00:05:57,704 --> 00:06:00,424 Speaker 1: critically acclaimed dramas and so many people write them off. 136 00:06:00,464 --> 00:06:02,704 Speaker 1: So I love that about it, but I'm obviously not 137 00:06:02,704 --> 00:06:04,824 Speaker 1: gonna say too much for spoilers. There is a bit 138 00:06:04,824 --> 00:06:07,144 Speaker 1: of a time jump, so like when the time don't 139 00:06:07,144 --> 00:06:09,384 Speaker 1: come up and screened from I was like, oh my gosh, like, 140 00:06:09,424 --> 00:06:11,344 Speaker 1: we're in a really different part of the story. Now. 141 00:06:11,464 --> 00:06:14,344 Speaker 2: Do they give a recap at the beginning of season one? 142 00:06:14,864 --> 00:06:17,784 Speaker 2: They do, so if you haven't seen season one in 143 00:06:17,824 --> 00:06:20,664 Speaker 2: a while, you could still start and be okay. 144 00:06:20,504 --> 00:06:22,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would sort of maybe just like 145 00:06:22,264 --> 00:06:24,224 Speaker 1: refresh your memory of what happened. But yes, they do. 146 00:06:24,264 --> 00:06:25,944 Speaker 1: They start off with a recap of season one, so 147 00:06:25,944 --> 00:06:28,144 Speaker 1: that goes through all the big moments, and it also 148 00:06:28,504 --> 00:06:32,464 Speaker 1: picks up where season one ended in that moment before 149 00:06:32,504 --> 00:06:34,184 Speaker 1: the time jump. If that helps them really trying not 150 00:06:34,184 --> 00:06:36,344 Speaker 1: to do any spoilers. Yeah, so you will sort of 151 00:06:36,344 --> 00:06:39,264 Speaker 1: get pulled straight back into Oh that's right, we ended 152 00:06:39,304 --> 00:06:42,304 Speaker 1: on this huge storytelling moment. Yeah, there was between these 153 00:06:42,344 --> 00:06:45,064 Speaker 1: two characters. Yeah, and then it picks up and you know, 154 00:06:45,104 --> 00:06:47,544 Speaker 1: you see their life now and you also see like 155 00:06:48,024 --> 00:06:50,144 Speaker 1: new threats that are coming in and you get introduced 156 00:06:50,144 --> 00:06:52,464 Speaker 1: a bit more to Caitlin Diva's character Abby, who's like 157 00:06:52,504 --> 00:06:54,864 Speaker 1: a really important character from the game the show is 158 00:06:54,904 --> 00:06:55,344 Speaker 1: based on. 159 00:06:55,624 --> 00:06:59,144 Speaker 2: I love her so much. She's Apple Sided Vinegar. I 160 00:06:59,184 --> 00:07:02,664 Speaker 2: actually messaged her on Instagram'd you say? I said, you 161 00:07:02,704 --> 00:07:05,104 Speaker 2: have the best Austrayian accent that I've ever like, this 162 00:07:05,144 --> 00:07:06,624 Speaker 2: is the best to training And she brote back and 163 00:07:06,704 --> 00:07:07,424 Speaker 2: said thank you. 164 00:07:07,624 --> 00:07:14,264 Speaker 1: Oh that's so nice of Herdman and Gallant. Oh my god, 165 00:07:14,264 --> 00:07:16,344 Speaker 1: I love it was Again. Obviously, I've seen her in 166 00:07:16,344 --> 00:07:17,864 Speaker 1: so many other movies, so I know she doesn't have 167 00:07:17,904 --> 00:07:20,464 Speaker 1: an Austorian accent. But after watching Apple Side of Vinegar 168 00:07:20,504 --> 00:07:21,944 Speaker 1: and then she was up on stage last night and 169 00:07:21,984 --> 00:07:24,784 Speaker 1: she's chatting away in a beautiful white gown and her 170 00:07:24,864 --> 00:07:26,984 Speaker 1: American accent was just so thick. I was like, Oh, 171 00:07:27,184 --> 00:07:28,864 Speaker 1: that's right, And this is such a different role for 172 00:07:28,864 --> 00:07:31,584 Speaker 1: her too, because she's kind of just quite scary actually. 173 00:07:31,944 --> 00:07:35,664 Speaker 2: Okay, So Last of Us Season two premieres on Max 174 00:07:35,744 --> 00:07:36,744 Speaker 2: on April fourteen. 175 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:38,784 Speaker 1: Yes, counting down the days. I can't wait to watch 176 00:07:38,784 --> 00:07:39,144 Speaker 1: it again. 177 00:07:39,224 --> 00:07:40,024 Speaker 2: Nana, Nana. 178 00:07:40,984 --> 00:07:43,504 Speaker 1: So today we woke up to a very interesting interview 179 00:07:43,584 --> 00:07:47,264 Speaker 1: from Interview magazine and the title of this article is 180 00:07:47,544 --> 00:07:50,744 Speaker 1: Vibes Are great. Honestly, let's meet Apple Martin. So if 181 00:07:50,744 --> 00:07:53,384 Speaker 1: anyone doesn't know, Apple Martin is the daughter of Gwyneth 182 00:07:53,424 --> 00:07:56,824 Speaker 1: Paltrow and Chris Martin. She's in her early twenties now. 183 00:07:56,864 --> 00:07:57,984 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, because I was 184 00:07:58,024 --> 00:08:01,184 Speaker 1: in high school and when her name was announced, shock 185 00:08:01,224 --> 00:08:02,264 Speaker 1: waves around the world. 186 00:08:03,024 --> 00:08:08,504 Speaker 2: She was the original crazy celebrity baby. Yeah, she's just 187 00:08:08,584 --> 00:08:10,984 Speaker 2: turned twenty, so she's she's a due and you're in college. 188 00:08:11,184 --> 00:08:11,384 Speaker 1: Yeau. 189 00:08:11,544 --> 00:08:13,624 Speaker 2: She's in her third year of college. 190 00:08:13,304 --> 00:08:16,464 Speaker 1: And she's studying law. It's or very fancy Vanderbilt College. 191 00:08:16,624 --> 00:08:20,104 Speaker 1: I remember like people being like almost like angry when 192 00:08:20,144 --> 00:08:22,704 Speaker 1: her name was announced, like furious. I think now people 193 00:08:22,744 --> 00:08:24,184 Speaker 1: would like less bad an eye. 194 00:08:24,304 --> 00:08:27,584 Speaker 2: Her name is like very normal comparatively to the names 195 00:08:27,584 --> 00:08:28,464 Speaker 2: that are out there now. 196 00:08:28,344 --> 00:08:30,584 Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. Also in celebrity land, like this 197 00:08:30,624 --> 00:08:32,704 Speaker 1: girl isn't living well. She's living more of a normal 198 00:08:32,744 --> 00:08:34,664 Speaker 1: life than I would have thought for her. I remember 199 00:08:34,984 --> 00:08:36,704 Speaker 1: just after she was born, and again as a kid, 200 00:08:36,744 --> 00:08:38,824 Speaker 1: don't know how I remember this, just my memory soaked 201 00:08:38,824 --> 00:08:42,064 Speaker 1: things in. When Gwyneth Paltroe went on Oprah Winfrey's show 202 00:08:42,144 --> 00:08:44,464 Speaker 1: and she was like Apple and she was like, yeah, 203 00:08:44,584 --> 00:08:46,704 Speaker 1: I just heard someone say Apple, and I thought they're 204 00:08:46,744 --> 00:08:50,144 Speaker 1: so crisp and clean and healthy and happy. And that's 205 00:08:50,184 --> 00:08:51,744 Speaker 1: what I feel like when I look at my daughter, 206 00:08:51,784 --> 00:08:54,064 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's kind of nice. Apple 207 00:08:54,104 --> 00:08:56,424 Speaker 1: Martin now is. Yeah, she's out in the world. She's 208 00:08:56,424 --> 00:08:59,144 Speaker 1: a law student. She's kept very private up until now, 209 00:08:59,144 --> 00:09:01,264 Speaker 1: and she's still got a private Instagram and all those 210 00:09:01,264 --> 00:09:03,544 Speaker 1: sorts of things that she started dipping her toe in 211 00:09:03,624 --> 00:09:06,424 Speaker 1: a few little celebrity moments which she gets into. It's 212 00:09:06,464 --> 00:09:10,304 Speaker 1: interesting because in this she's being interviewed by the editor 213 00:09:10,584 --> 00:09:14,184 Speaker 1: of Interview magazine, Mel Ottenberg, who chats to her at 214 00:09:14,264 --> 00:09:17,024 Speaker 1: first about the fact that she interned with them last 215 00:09:17,104 --> 00:09:19,584 Speaker 1: year in Interview Magazine. She did a lot of the 216 00:09:19,704 --> 00:09:22,864 Speaker 1: archival kind of restocking and was doing admin and all 217 00:09:22,864 --> 00:09:23,544 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. 218 00:09:23,584 --> 00:09:25,704 Speaker 2: Good on her, and yeah, her baby, who's putting in 219 00:09:25,744 --> 00:09:27,584 Speaker 2: a little bit of work. And I mean, look, we 220 00:09:27,704 --> 00:09:31,944 Speaker 2: know that the reason she got that internship. 221 00:09:31,384 --> 00:09:33,464 Speaker 1: Was because of her status. 222 00:09:33,464 --> 00:09:35,744 Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure, but I'm really happy to hear that 223 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:39,024 Speaker 2: she still was doing the work. And look, reading this interview, 224 00:09:39,624 --> 00:09:42,104 Speaker 2: she does seem just like a regular twenty year old. 225 00:09:42,464 --> 00:09:47,744 Speaker 2: She's one hundred percent, absolutely, very very privileged. It doesn't 226 00:09:47,784 --> 00:09:51,424 Speaker 2: come off to me in this interview that she doesn't 227 00:09:51,464 --> 00:09:52,544 Speaker 2: realize her privilege. 228 00:09:52,624 --> 00:09:56,464 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And on her internship. It's funny because in 229 00:09:56,504 --> 00:09:59,064 Speaker 1: the interview, which is just a transcript of Mel and 230 00:09:59,104 --> 00:10:02,384 Speaker 1: Apple's conversation back and forth, Mel says that he was 231 00:10:02,464 --> 00:10:05,744 Speaker 1: quite upset when news of her internship leakes the day 232 00:10:05,784 --> 00:10:08,304 Speaker 1: before she started, and he says to her like, I 233 00:10:08,464 --> 00:10:10,584 Speaker 1: was worried that your mum, so Gwyneth, who I think 234 00:10:10,624 --> 00:10:12,784 Speaker 1: he also has a bit of a relationship. I was 235 00:10:12,824 --> 00:10:14,544 Speaker 1: worried that your mom would have thought I would have 236 00:10:14,664 --> 00:10:16,224 Speaker 1: leaked that to get a bit of press and a 237 00:10:16,224 --> 00:10:17,944 Speaker 1: bit of attention to the magazine. But I did. And 238 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:19,944 Speaker 1: Apple's like very chill about it. She's like, yeah, that 239 00:10:19,984 --> 00:10:22,784 Speaker 1: stuff happens. It's interesting because they really set up the 240 00:10:22,824 --> 00:10:25,824 Speaker 1: interview as making her out to be this very grounded person, 241 00:10:25,864 --> 00:10:28,344 Speaker 1: like before you even read her quotes, they're going in 242 00:10:28,384 --> 00:10:31,544 Speaker 1: one particular direction, because it starts off by saying, how 243 00:10:31,664 --> 00:10:34,464 Speaker 1: does the daughter of two megastars end up so grounded, 244 00:10:34,584 --> 00:10:37,224 Speaker 1: quick witted, and shut. Never mind that her mum built 245 00:10:37,264 --> 00:10:39,584 Speaker 1: a wellness empire and her dad fronts one of the 246 00:10:39,624 --> 00:10:43,104 Speaker 1: biggest bands on the planet. Apple Martin just had it. 247 00:10:43,784 --> 00:10:45,744 Speaker 1: And I think one of the interesting parts in this 248 00:10:45,784 --> 00:10:49,664 Speaker 1: and they talk about do you remember that debutante ball? Yeah, yeah. 249 00:10:49,744 --> 00:10:53,224 Speaker 2: Look, the thing is, first of all, she's beautiful. Yes, 250 00:10:53,304 --> 00:10:54,824 Speaker 2: she's a beautiful young woman. 251 00:10:55,144 --> 00:10:58,104 Speaker 1: She's rich. I don't know what it is about her features. 252 00:10:58,384 --> 00:11:00,464 Speaker 1: Like her features just look like if you said to 253 00:11:00,504 --> 00:11:04,344 Speaker 1: an AI machine like make you know, a simulation of 254 00:11:04,384 --> 00:11:07,464 Speaker 1: a very old world, old money kind of look. She 255 00:11:07,544 --> 00:11:07,864 Speaker 1: has that. 256 00:11:08,144 --> 00:11:11,064 Speaker 2: She's got that very and unfortunately she does have that 257 00:11:11,144 --> 00:11:12,144 Speaker 2: mean girl look. 258 00:11:12,224 --> 00:11:13,744 Speaker 3: And she does. 259 00:11:14,384 --> 00:11:16,464 Speaker 1: Yeah I know it because we're always being conditioned, like 260 00:11:16,464 --> 00:11:19,624 Speaker 1: because pop culture always has had that blonde beautiful. 261 00:11:19,904 --> 00:11:22,864 Speaker 2: She's blonde. She's got these beautiful lips, pointy little nose, 262 00:11:23,104 --> 00:11:24,504 Speaker 2: delicate features. 263 00:11:24,104 --> 00:11:26,944 Speaker 1: And a very stilly look almost like on her face. 264 00:11:27,384 --> 00:11:30,464 Speaker 2: She is a beautiful, beautiful young woman. And look, I 265 00:11:30,624 --> 00:11:34,824 Speaker 2: can't comment on this debutante issue. Look, she is one 266 00:11:34,944 --> 00:11:39,064 Speaker 2: hundred percent very very privileged girl. Can we judge her 267 00:11:39,104 --> 00:11:41,944 Speaker 2: on that? But yet, look, she's scored. These photos are phenomenal. 268 00:11:41,944 --> 00:11:43,904 Speaker 2: If you haven't seen the pictures, go and have a look. 269 00:11:43,944 --> 00:11:47,704 Speaker 2: I'm like blown away. She's beautiful, but she looks She 270 00:11:47,744 --> 00:11:51,744 Speaker 2: talks about the controversy and really touches on the fact 271 00:11:51,824 --> 00:11:54,304 Speaker 2: that she has grown up. In her life. She's had 272 00:11:54,344 --> 00:11:57,384 Speaker 2: these two parts of her life, one part where she 273 00:11:57,624 --> 00:12:01,544 Speaker 2: is like a fish in a fish bowl being photographed 274 00:12:01,704 --> 00:12:05,064 Speaker 2: and followed everywhere she goes, and then the other part 275 00:12:05,064 --> 00:12:08,344 Speaker 2: where she's a quote unquote normal girl. Yeah, and I 276 00:12:08,384 --> 00:12:11,424 Speaker 2: think that this college experience for her is giving her 277 00:12:11,504 --> 00:12:18,024 Speaker 2: that normal life. But she still is criticized and talked 278 00:12:18,064 --> 00:12:21,584 Speaker 2: about a lot in the media, as we can see, 279 00:12:21,904 --> 00:12:23,784 Speaker 2: and I think that's really hard for any twenty year old. 280 00:12:23,824 --> 00:12:26,744 Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't want people talking about the stuff 281 00:12:26,784 --> 00:12:28,184 Speaker 2: that I did when I was twenty. 282 00:12:28,304 --> 00:12:30,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And it's so I actually wanted them to 283 00:12:30,864 --> 00:12:33,584 Speaker 1: go a bit more into the controversy around the debutant Ball, 284 00:12:33,624 --> 00:12:35,824 Speaker 1: but I did the stand while they kept a light 285 00:12:35,864 --> 00:12:38,864 Speaker 1: because they mention it in the kind of setup of 286 00:12:38,864 --> 00:12:41,584 Speaker 1: the interview that there was controversy around this debutant ball. 287 00:12:41,624 --> 00:12:43,384 Speaker 1: So if you're not across it, it was like a 288 00:12:43,424 --> 00:12:46,104 Speaker 1: few months ago now and Apple Martin, along with a 289 00:12:46,104 --> 00:12:48,864 Speaker 1: lot of other young, rich, famous woman was like launched 290 00:12:48,864 --> 00:12:52,584 Speaker 1: into society this French Ball and it was so fancy 291 00:12:52,624 --> 00:12:54,344 Speaker 1: and so over the top, and it's the first time 292 00:12:54,344 --> 00:12:57,104 Speaker 1: a lot of people had heard about this particular Debutante 293 00:12:57,144 --> 00:12:59,904 Speaker 1: Ball event and because we hadn't seen Apple Martin anything 294 00:12:59,944 --> 00:13:02,744 Speaker 1: like this before, and you know, both her parents were 295 00:13:02,744 --> 00:13:04,744 Speaker 1: there and like they were all these family photos and 296 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:07,704 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow was sharing it. It became this huge thing. 297 00:13:07,744 --> 00:13:09,384 Speaker 1: But more so than that, there was a video that 298 00:13:09,424 --> 00:13:12,304 Speaker 1: went viral after the Debutante Ball And if you saw 299 00:13:12,344 --> 00:13:14,824 Speaker 1: this where each girl came out in her beautiful gown 300 00:13:14,864 --> 00:13:17,224 Speaker 1: and had her picture taken, and this girl's getting her 301 00:13:17,264 --> 00:13:20,104 Speaker 1: picture taken and then Apple Martin comes in behind and 302 00:13:20,144 --> 00:13:22,344 Speaker 1: she kind of dances and bobs a bit and walks 303 00:13:22,384 --> 00:13:24,904 Speaker 1: in front of her and a few people, including my 304 00:13:24,944 --> 00:13:26,944 Speaker 1: co host Emily, who are not here to defend herself. 305 00:13:26,984 --> 00:13:28,344 Speaker 1: So I won't get into it. Thinks that she did 306 00:13:28,344 --> 00:13:30,704 Speaker 1: it on purpose. I just think she's a bit overtaken 307 00:13:30,704 --> 00:13:34,064 Speaker 1: with the moment and didn't quite realize what she was doing. 308 00:13:34,224 --> 00:13:36,744 Speaker 1: That went everywhere and everyone's like, oh my god, Apple 309 00:13:36,784 --> 00:13:39,024 Speaker 1: Martin is like the ultimate mean girl. She tried to 310 00:13:39,104 --> 00:13:40,264 Speaker 1: sabotage this girl. 311 00:13:40,344 --> 00:13:42,744 Speaker 2: I think that there's probably a little bit of like 312 00:13:42,984 --> 00:13:46,624 Speaker 2: conditioning here where she's so used to people taking photos 313 00:13:46,664 --> 00:13:50,224 Speaker 2: of her. Yeah, maybe she just thought it was about her. Then, yeah, 314 00:13:50,224 --> 00:13:51,784 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, maybe it's not as 315 00:13:51,824 --> 00:13:54,384 Speaker 2: malicious as we think it is. Yeah, it's just like 316 00:13:54,584 --> 00:13:57,944 Speaker 2: still child like twenty is not she just turned twenty. 317 00:13:58,184 --> 00:13:59,464 Speaker 1: I just think of how I was at twenty, and 318 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:01,024 Speaker 1: I would have just been off the rails with this. 319 00:14:01,224 --> 00:14:03,704 Speaker 1: So it's interesting if Ottenburg says, and this melton Berg says, 320 00:14:03,784 --> 00:14:06,104 Speaker 1: then the debutante ball was such a big thing, but 321 00:14:06,184 --> 00:14:08,184 Speaker 1: you also keep some of the mystery. How do you 322 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:10,304 Speaker 1: do that? And then she said that she grewt with 323 00:14:10,424 --> 00:14:13,304 Speaker 1: a really uneven balance of getting out of an airport 324 00:14:13,384 --> 00:14:15,784 Speaker 1: with her mum and dad and just being bombarded by 325 00:14:15,784 --> 00:14:18,944 Speaker 1: cameras and being a normal kid, but also always having 326 00:14:18,944 --> 00:14:21,344 Speaker 1: her photo taken. And this is funny because then she's like, 327 00:14:21,384 --> 00:14:23,864 Speaker 1: so I read Discipline and Punished, which is a great book, 328 00:14:23,984 --> 00:14:26,424 Speaker 1: but it also talks about the surveillance state. I feel 329 00:14:26,464 --> 00:14:28,504 Speaker 1: like I've grown up with that, which is really scary. 330 00:14:28,584 --> 00:14:31,744 Speaker 1: It makes me anxious about making mistakes. And then says 331 00:14:31,784 --> 00:14:35,344 Speaker 1: that she was always really discouraged from doing anything in 332 00:14:35,344 --> 00:14:37,264 Speaker 1: the public eye and she didn't want to be seen 333 00:14:37,264 --> 00:14:40,784 Speaker 1: as just this another celebrity child, and she kept that 334 00:14:40,864 --> 00:14:43,384 Speaker 1: all her life, and then she ended up saying, fuck it, 335 00:14:43,544 --> 00:14:45,024 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be scared. I just want to 336 00:14:45,024 --> 00:14:46,984 Speaker 1: do what seems fun and figure my life out. 337 00:14:47,624 --> 00:14:47,984 Speaker 3: Yeah. 338 00:14:48,224 --> 00:14:51,264 Speaker 2: I mean I think that that is really valid. That's 339 00:14:51,304 --> 00:14:55,464 Speaker 2: a valid experience. You a twenty year old girl. I 340 00:14:55,704 --> 00:14:59,584 Speaker 2: feel like she definitely has it made. She's got a 341 00:14:59,704 --> 00:15:04,144 Speaker 2: lot of privilege. She's a beautiful white woman with very 342 00:15:04,224 --> 00:15:09,304 Speaker 2: wealthy parents. Like, she has a lot going Yeah, she's 343 00:15:09,624 --> 00:15:10,824 Speaker 2: multiple steps ahead. 344 00:15:10,984 --> 00:15:13,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she comes across so fancy. But there's one 345 00:15:13,064 --> 00:15:16,344 Speaker 1: moment in this interview I find her very relatable because 346 00:15:16,424 --> 00:15:18,664 Speaker 1: she's talking about going to college and how, you know, 347 00:15:18,664 --> 00:15:20,864 Speaker 1: how like we all grow up watching these American movies 348 00:15:20,904 --> 00:15:23,704 Speaker 1: at college and like it's frat parties, it's keg parties. 349 00:15:23,704 --> 00:15:26,424 Speaker 1: Everyone walks around with those big red cups. It's all crazy. 350 00:15:26,824 --> 00:15:29,024 Speaker 1: And she says that she also kind of grew up 351 00:15:29,064 --> 00:15:30,984 Speaker 1: watching that and thought that college would be like that, 352 00:15:31,024 --> 00:15:32,464 Speaker 1: but it's not at all, Like she hasn't seen a 353 00:15:32,504 --> 00:15:35,784 Speaker 1: keg party, poor girl. And she's like, sometimes things happen, 354 00:15:35,824 --> 00:15:37,624 Speaker 1: but people are a bit fancier now and no one 355 00:15:37,704 --> 00:15:40,224 Speaker 1: parties like that. And also because she's doing law, she's 356 00:15:40,224 --> 00:15:42,504 Speaker 1: doing a few things, but she's studying law. She also 357 00:15:42,584 --> 00:15:44,544 Speaker 1: talks about the fact that she thought her life was 358 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:46,464 Speaker 1: going to be a bit more el woods, that she 359 00:15:46,504 --> 00:15:48,944 Speaker 1: would kind of have that like this just screams to me, 360 00:15:48,984 --> 00:15:51,424 Speaker 1: twenty year old, Like, honestly, she's watched so many movies 361 00:15:51,504 --> 00:15:52,104 Speaker 1: just like us. 362 00:15:52,264 --> 00:15:55,304 Speaker 2: She's just twenty That is, yeah, one hundred percent what 363 00:15:55,464 --> 00:15:55,864 Speaker 2: it's like. 364 00:15:56,144 --> 00:15:57,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 365 00:15:57,304 --> 00:15:59,264 Speaker 2: She's a cutie. I wish her all the best. 366 00:15:59,424 --> 00:16:01,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think little Apple Mum's going to be Okay, 367 00:16:01,464 --> 00:16:03,624 Speaker 1: So we'll link the full interview in our show notes 368 00:16:03,624 --> 00:16:05,424 Speaker 1: if you want to have a read. But I know, 369 00:16:05,624 --> 00:16:07,664 Speaker 1: like neppobooks got a lot of shit, And I also 370 00:16:07,784 --> 00:16:10,144 Speaker 1: dislike them when they talk about how hard their lives are. 371 00:16:10,544 --> 00:16:12,464 Speaker 1: But I do love them when they just give us 372 00:16:12,464 --> 00:16:14,344 Speaker 1: like a little insight into their crazy lives. 373 00:16:16,824 --> 00:16:20,424 Speaker 2: OKAYLB, Now we have one of our favorite topics on 374 00:16:20,464 --> 00:16:22,664 Speaker 2: the spell. We have Miss Megan mark. 375 00:16:22,544 --> 00:16:24,184 Speaker 3: All, Duchess of Sussex. 376 00:16:25,224 --> 00:16:25,544 Speaker 1: Now. 377 00:16:25,904 --> 00:16:30,064 Speaker 2: She has launched her lifestyle line as Ever, which has 378 00:16:30,144 --> 00:16:32,864 Speaker 2: sold out on the website. Now as Ever is selling 379 00:16:32,904 --> 00:16:35,944 Speaker 2: We're selling jams, which are actually called fruit spreads. There's 380 00:16:35,944 --> 00:16:38,624 Speaker 2: some FDA regulations that says she has to call them 381 00:16:38,624 --> 00:16:43,144 Speaker 2: a fruit spread. She's got little edible flowers, she's got 382 00:16:43,664 --> 00:16:48,424 Speaker 2: beautiful honey, and it's very idyllic. This very like farm 383 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:49,104 Speaker 2: life idyllic. 384 00:16:49,144 --> 00:16:49,864 Speaker 3: It's beautiful. 385 00:16:50,104 --> 00:16:50,264 Speaker 1: Now. 386 00:16:50,264 --> 00:16:54,144 Speaker 2: It's all sold out at the moment. But this line 387 00:16:54,704 --> 00:16:56,944 Speaker 2: has taken a lot of people by storm, because I 388 00:16:56,984 --> 00:16:59,224 Speaker 2: feel like people are like really hating on it. But 389 00:16:59,264 --> 00:17:01,224 Speaker 2: it does seem to have sold that relatively quickly. 390 00:17:01,384 --> 00:17:02,744 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, she's the 391 00:17:02,784 --> 00:17:04,944 Speaker 1: winner here, because yeah, she's gotten a lot of hate, 392 00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:08,384 Speaker 1: but her Netflix show was watched by so many people, 393 00:17:08,464 --> 00:17:10,864 Speaker 1: was commissioned for a second season. She's getting so much 394 00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:14,144 Speaker 1: publicity at the moment. And yes, everything she put on 395 00:17:14,184 --> 00:17:16,344 Speaker 1: her website sold out within a few minutes. So at 396 00:17:16,344 --> 00:17:18,784 Speaker 1: the moment, if you go on to the website, there's 397 00:17:19,184 --> 00:17:21,344 Speaker 1: no content on there and there's nothing you can buy 398 00:17:21,424 --> 00:17:23,744 Speaker 1: at the moment, But there is a homepage inviting you 399 00:17:23,784 --> 00:17:27,024 Speaker 1: to save your seat at the table by subscribing to 400 00:17:27,064 --> 00:17:29,624 Speaker 1: their email address. They can mine your data, which is fair. Yeah, 401 00:17:29,904 --> 00:17:32,024 Speaker 1: there's a list of everything that's there and it's sold out. 402 00:17:32,064 --> 00:17:34,744 Speaker 1: So yeah, the jam sold out in under five minutes. 403 00:17:35,144 --> 00:17:38,704 Speaker 1: It was a limited edition wildflower honey with honey cone. 404 00:17:38,704 --> 00:17:40,704 Speaker 1: It was twenty eight dollars, which I guess is pricey 405 00:17:40,744 --> 00:17:42,864 Speaker 1: for jam, but it's like it's a collector's addition. 406 00:17:42,704 --> 00:17:46,184 Speaker 2: Right Yeah, and honey in a honey never goes off. 407 00:17:46,304 --> 00:17:48,864 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, it's actually kind of a bargain. 408 00:17:48,984 --> 00:17:50,864 Speaker 1: I'd be scared to eat it if I bought a pot, like, 409 00:17:50,864 --> 00:17:52,664 Speaker 1: I would probably have one little taste and I would 410 00:17:52,704 --> 00:17:53,424 Speaker 1: just keep it forever. 411 00:17:53,704 --> 00:17:57,464 Speaker 2: So, this particular lifestyle brand was initially called American Riviera, 412 00:17:57,584 --> 00:18:02,064 Speaker 2: which is what this area of Montesita, California was called before. Like, 413 00:18:02,104 --> 00:18:04,264 Speaker 2: that's apparently what the locals call it. Yes, Now she 414 00:18:04,424 --> 00:18:08,024 Speaker 2: changed that name to as Ever So on the website, 415 00:18:08,064 --> 00:18:11,024 Speaker 2: it's a curated collection has been crafted to elevate your 416 00:18:11,064 --> 00:18:13,584 Speaker 2: every day and inspire moments of joy. 417 00:18:14,104 --> 00:18:15,824 Speaker 3: It's very idyllic, yes. 418 00:18:16,104 --> 00:18:18,744 Speaker 2: Now. Last week, Meghan announced that she was also going 419 00:18:18,744 --> 00:18:21,224 Speaker 2: to be hosting a new podcast series called Confessions of 420 00:18:21,264 --> 00:18:25,104 Speaker 2: a Female Founder. Now, she did a interview with The 421 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:28,584 Speaker 2: New York Times and the journalist went. 422 00:18:28,504 --> 00:18:30,184 Speaker 3: To her actual house. 423 00:18:30,624 --> 00:18:33,864 Speaker 2: So Julia Moskin was the interviewer from the New York 424 00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:36,584 Speaker 2: Times went to her actual house in Montecita, California, and 425 00:18:36,624 --> 00:18:40,224 Speaker 2: they did an interview together. There are no accompanying images. 426 00:18:40,704 --> 00:18:45,024 Speaker 2: But this is kind of the first actual interview we've seen. 427 00:18:45,424 --> 00:18:48,344 Speaker 1: With someone with ever since. I think it was Vanity 428 00:18:48,384 --> 00:18:50,464 Speaker 1: Fair when they sent a journalist to her home many 429 00:18:50,544 --> 00:18:53,624 Speaker 1: years ago, and she wrote in the article that Megan 430 00:18:53,704 --> 00:18:56,224 Speaker 1: was telling her what to write and saying like, I'm 431 00:18:56,224 --> 00:18:58,184 Speaker 1: going to make a guttural sound, you should describe that. 432 00:18:58,224 --> 00:18:59,744 Speaker 1: So I think since then she's been a big camera 433 00:18:59,784 --> 00:19:02,464 Speaker 1: shy and a bit interview shy with these bigger publications. 434 00:19:02,704 --> 00:19:05,064 Speaker 1: But also interesting that The New York Times, like they've 435 00:19:05,064 --> 00:19:07,984 Speaker 1: pointed out so many times in their article that the 436 00:19:08,024 --> 00:19:10,984 Speaker 1: one condition of them sending this journalist over was that 437 00:19:11,424 --> 00:19:15,064 Speaker 1: no photos were taken inside or outside the house, because 438 00:19:15,064 --> 00:19:17,704 Speaker 1: they kept saying Megan kept saying it's a security concern. 439 00:19:17,784 --> 00:19:20,544 Speaker 1: And I get that, Like they've got paparazzi outside their house, 440 00:19:20,544 --> 00:19:23,264 Speaker 1: they've got drones everywhere. At their last home, people were 441 00:19:23,264 --> 00:19:25,904 Speaker 1: cutting with wires through the fence and like sneaking up 442 00:19:25,944 --> 00:19:27,784 Speaker 1: to their windows and stuff. So I understand why she 443 00:19:27,784 --> 00:19:30,304 Speaker 1: doesn't want photos, especially like the outside, so you can 444 00:19:30,384 --> 00:19:31,904 Speaker 1: find out easier where it is. 445 00:19:32,384 --> 00:19:35,024 Speaker 2: We've all got to be very cautious of our security 446 00:19:35,024 --> 00:19:37,984 Speaker 2: these even if you're not a massive absolebrity. These kids 447 00:19:38,024 --> 00:19:40,104 Speaker 2: are in line for the throne. But I mean, you'd 448 00:19:40,144 --> 00:19:42,424 Speaker 2: start taking photos of your house, people can start mapping 449 00:19:42,504 --> 00:19:44,704 Speaker 2: out with me in your home. I don't think that 450 00:19:44,704 --> 00:19:47,784 Speaker 2: that is like that bad in terms of like I 451 00:19:47,864 --> 00:19:50,864 Speaker 2: just wanting to protect your sty I think that's really okay. 452 00:19:51,144 --> 00:19:53,304 Speaker 1: It's a security risk. But also I think she knows 453 00:19:53,504 --> 00:19:55,984 Speaker 1: that once photos of her home are out, people will 454 00:19:56,024 --> 00:19:59,944 Speaker 1: start zooming on every picture. They'll start pricing things, They'll 455 00:19:59,984 --> 00:20:02,104 Speaker 1: start sort of mapping out where things have come from 456 00:20:02,144 --> 00:20:04,424 Speaker 1: and did they come from an unethical place. It just 457 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:06,384 Speaker 1: opens her up to so much more criticism. 458 00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:10,104 Speaker 2: Now, this article, I didn't find it particularly insightful. There 459 00:20:10,224 --> 00:20:13,704 Speaker 2: was wasn't really anything new there. It was talking about 460 00:20:13,744 --> 00:20:17,904 Speaker 2: some criticisms about her not being relatable. So basically there's 461 00:20:17,904 --> 00:20:20,744 Speaker 2: been a lot of criticism about Megan doing this because 462 00:20:20,784 --> 00:20:24,104 Speaker 2: you know, you're talking about her wanting to be private. Yeah, 463 00:20:24,344 --> 00:20:28,304 Speaker 2: and I understand that criticism. However, her reasoning behind it 464 00:20:28,344 --> 00:20:30,304 Speaker 2: is I need to work and I love to work. 465 00:20:31,184 --> 00:20:33,184 Speaker 2: So she said that, pointing out until she'd met Harry, 466 00:20:33,304 --> 00:20:35,984 Speaker 2: she hadn't been without a job since she was thirteen. 467 00:20:36,784 --> 00:20:39,424 Speaker 2: This is how I connect my home life and my work, 468 00:20:39,824 --> 00:20:43,384 Speaker 2: and I think that that is reasonable to do. Even 469 00:20:43,464 --> 00:20:46,744 Speaker 2: when I see it, it just feels so nothing realistic 470 00:20:46,744 --> 00:20:48,864 Speaker 2: about it, which is okay. So if people are looking 471 00:20:48,944 --> 00:20:52,944 Speaker 2: for that aspirational content, that's wonderful. So I heard this 472 00:20:52,984 --> 00:20:55,224 Speaker 2: person I can't remember who wrote it, but they were 473 00:20:55,224 --> 00:20:58,144 Speaker 2: talking about the types of content. I think it was 474 00:20:58,224 --> 00:21:00,624 Speaker 2: a social media marketer or something, and was talking about 475 00:21:00,664 --> 00:21:04,264 Speaker 2: the types of content that people like to consume depends 476 00:21:04,384 --> 00:21:07,024 Speaker 2: on the economic environment. So when the economy is in 477 00:21:07,064 --> 00:21:10,984 Speaker 2: a downturn, people want to see relatable content, whereas when 478 00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:13,624 Speaker 2: the economy is doing well, people are happy to see 479 00:21:13,624 --> 00:21:16,264 Speaker 2: the aspirational content. It's kind of a little bit of 480 00:21:16,264 --> 00:21:19,424 Speaker 2: that tool poppy syndrome. Yet it's like, when we're doing 481 00:21:19,464 --> 00:21:21,384 Speaker 2: really tough, I don't want to see you living this 482 00:21:21,464 --> 00:21:22,104 Speaker 2: perfect life. 483 00:21:22,184 --> 00:21:24,144 Speaker 1: This is pissing me off, exactly. 484 00:21:24,384 --> 00:21:27,584 Speaker 2: So I think that that's a little bit. What a 485 00:21:27,624 --> 00:21:29,704 Speaker 2: lot of the backlash is is that, you know, we're 486 00:21:29,744 --> 00:21:33,664 Speaker 2: going through this massive cost of living crisis and Megan's 487 00:21:33,744 --> 00:21:38,424 Speaker 2: talking about buying these artisanal jams and honeys and put 488 00:21:38,424 --> 00:21:41,784 Speaker 2: your stuff in different containers, Like it feels really out 489 00:21:41,784 --> 00:21:44,584 Speaker 2: of touch for a lot of people. But then I 490 00:21:44,624 --> 00:21:46,784 Speaker 2: think there's also other people that actually just really enjoy 491 00:21:46,824 --> 00:21:50,064 Speaker 2: that content. It is a way for them to take 492 00:21:50,064 --> 00:21:51,824 Speaker 2: a step back and just take a step out of 493 00:21:51,864 --> 00:21:52,904 Speaker 2: their regular lives. 494 00:21:53,024 --> 00:21:55,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean I would love more of that. 495 00:21:55,544 --> 00:21:57,464 Speaker 1: I would love to see more of her fancy, over 496 00:21:57,464 --> 00:22:00,064 Speaker 1: the top life, because that's the form of escapism I 497 00:22:00,064 --> 00:22:02,144 Speaker 1: want to see. But I understand why she's too scared 498 00:22:02,184 --> 00:22:03,944 Speaker 1: to show it. And at least in this New York 499 00:22:03,984 --> 00:22:06,744 Speaker 1: Times article, the journalist did to describe what they saw 500 00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:08,144 Speaker 1: at Meghan's house. So we've got a bit of an 501 00:22:08,184 --> 00:22:11,184 Speaker 1: idea of this big like kitchen Iyeland that's apparently like 502 00:22:11,224 --> 00:22:13,344 Speaker 1: all weather board but still very fancy, and she has 503 00:22:13,384 --> 00:22:16,984 Speaker 1: like all these beautiful cookbooks like Ottolengi and stuff all 504 00:22:17,024 --> 00:22:19,664 Speaker 1: around the home, so it's trying to make it really fancy. 505 00:22:20,104 --> 00:22:22,984 Speaker 1: I'm interested in her home as sixteen bathrooms that seems 506 00:22:23,024 --> 00:22:25,824 Speaker 1: like a lot for five bedrooms. That was the interesting takeaway. 507 00:22:25,904 --> 00:22:27,784 Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like a very good use of space, 508 00:22:27,984 --> 00:22:28,624 Speaker 1: is all I'm saying. 509 00:22:28,624 --> 00:22:30,104 Speaker 2: But I think a lot of them are probably let 510 00:22:30,104 --> 00:22:32,704 Speaker 2: little like there's probably a toilet in the powder rooms. 511 00:22:32,824 --> 00:22:36,504 Speaker 1: Yes, I know, you know, but sixteen for five bedroom scene. 512 00:22:36,544 --> 00:22:38,544 Speaker 1: That's my one note on Meghan Markle's home she didn't 513 00:22:38,584 --> 00:22:40,864 Speaker 1: ask for. Also that she has a guesthouse with like 514 00:22:40,944 --> 00:22:44,224 Speaker 1: multiple bedrooms and a little cottage on the grounds. I 515 00:22:44,264 --> 00:22:46,984 Speaker 1: was like, man, show show us that. It's because she 516 00:22:47,064 --> 00:22:48,504 Speaker 1: just knows she's going to get dragged through the mud. 517 00:22:48,744 --> 00:22:51,104 Speaker 1: I think where she's tried to be relatable really is 518 00:22:51,264 --> 00:22:54,344 Speaker 1: on her as Ever website with the pricing for some 519 00:22:54,424 --> 00:22:55,664 Speaker 1: of these things that you could buy it, and I'm 520 00:22:55,664 --> 00:22:57,704 Speaker 1: actually quite sad that they all sold out. I knew 521 00:22:57,704 --> 00:22:59,344 Speaker 1: she said it was launching today, but I just didn't 522 00:22:59,344 --> 00:23:01,584 Speaker 1: realize everything would sell out so quickly. Otherwise I would 523 00:23:01,624 --> 00:23:04,184 Speaker 1: have jumped on and bought some fourteen dollar Create mex 524 00:23:04,264 --> 00:23:05,824 Speaker 1: So that's quite you know, fourteen dollars. 525 00:23:05,824 --> 00:23:07,904 Speaker 2: Fourteen US dollars I remember, yeah, which is like. 526 00:23:07,864 --> 00:23:09,424 Speaker 1: One hundred and fifteen in Australia right now. 527 00:23:10,184 --> 00:23:13,544 Speaker 2: With the exchange rate, you're looking at probably what twenty bucks. 528 00:23:13,624 --> 00:23:15,784 Speaker 1: It's a collector's edition. I could have sold that on 529 00:23:15,864 --> 00:23:17,704 Speaker 1: eBay for about two hundred dollars in a year or so. 530 00:23:17,944 --> 00:23:20,104 Speaker 1: It looks beautiful, it's amazing. 531 00:23:20,184 --> 00:23:23,344 Speaker 2: It's lovely packaging. You know, you've got flower sprinkles, you've got. 532 00:23:23,464 --> 00:23:26,064 Speaker 1: Doll flower sprinkles. I know you can buy those. I know, 533 00:23:26,064 --> 00:23:28,024 Speaker 1: like Harris Farm down the road for me sells those. 534 00:23:28,104 --> 00:23:28,504 Speaker 1: They don't. 535 00:23:28,664 --> 00:23:32,304 Speaker 2: They're definitely not fifteen bucks either, but still, look it's sweet. 536 00:23:32,424 --> 00:23:35,264 Speaker 2: It's like get your bag girl whatever exactly. 537 00:23:35,384 --> 00:23:37,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, the short bread cookie mix that was fourteen dollars 538 00:23:37,624 --> 00:23:39,864 Speaker 1: that comes with the flower sprinkles, or you could buy 539 00:23:39,864 --> 00:23:42,344 Speaker 1: the flower sprinkles separately for fifteen which seems like not 540 00:23:42,384 --> 00:23:45,344 Speaker 1: great marketing, but that's okay. Everything's sold out so quickly, 541 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,304 Speaker 1: and she said there's more drops to come, so I 542 00:23:47,304 --> 00:23:48,864 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be one of those things where every 543 00:23:48,864 --> 00:23:51,504 Speaker 1: time she does these limited drops, it's just going to 544 00:23:51,504 --> 00:23:53,224 Speaker 1: completely sell out, which is like quite a lot of 545 00:23:53,264 --> 00:23:56,784 Speaker 1: money coming in for that fifteen bathroom house that she's funding. 546 00:23:56,864 --> 00:23:59,144 Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, she's doing quite well. 547 00:23:59,464 --> 00:24:01,424 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think there's any do that's just doing 548 00:24:01,544 --> 00:24:04,624 Speaker 2: very well. Okay, So just one more thing about this. So, 549 00:24:04,664 --> 00:24:07,704 Speaker 2: according to the initial trademark application filed in February of 550 00:24:07,744 --> 00:24:10,984 Speaker 2: twenty four to four, as ever, this business will sell 551 00:24:11,024 --> 00:24:14,864 Speaker 2: home deco, kitchen items, decanters, and napkin rings, cutlery table 552 00:24:14,864 --> 00:24:17,424 Speaker 2: in its placebats and napkins and even cookbooks, so that 553 00:24:17,624 --> 00:24:21,384 Speaker 2: is what she trademarked as ever for so we may 554 00:24:21,424 --> 00:24:23,664 Speaker 2: not just be seeing gems and spreads and cookie mixes 555 00:24:23,864 --> 00:24:25,864 Speaker 2: like this is probably going to go out into a 556 00:24:25,904 --> 00:24:28,824 Speaker 2: whole probably cookwear brand. This is like a math of 557 00:24:28,944 --> 00:24:30,344 Speaker 2: Just Stewart two point zero situation. 558 00:24:30,424 --> 00:24:32,984 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. The woman is building an empire. 559 00:24:33,064 --> 00:24:34,904 Speaker 1: And I think as much as she gets so much 560 00:24:34,944 --> 00:24:37,944 Speaker 1: hate online having that TV show and doing these little 561 00:24:38,024 --> 00:24:41,704 Speaker 1: drops of small amounts of affordable products, everyone says they 562 00:24:41,704 --> 00:24:43,424 Speaker 1: hate Megan Markle, but everyone wants a little bit of 563 00:24:43,464 --> 00:24:45,544 Speaker 1: Megan Markle in their home. That's what I've learned today. 564 00:24:45,824 --> 00:24:48,984 Speaker 2: Can you imagine if they only did an order of 565 00:24:49,024 --> 00:24:50,264 Speaker 2: like one hundred gems and. 566 00:24:50,184 --> 00:24:52,224 Speaker 1: That's oh my god. 567 00:24:52,304 --> 00:24:54,744 Speaker 2: Okay, but that's a strategy. I'm just telling you that's 568 00:24:54,744 --> 00:24:59,104 Speaker 2: a marketing strategy, and not that they do small releases 569 00:24:59,264 --> 00:25:01,864 Speaker 2: so that people it's ill the highates hype so then 570 00:25:01,904 --> 00:25:03,184 Speaker 2: people like, oh god, it's sow that would to buy 571 00:25:03,224 --> 00:25:03,784 Speaker 2: it straight away. 572 00:25:03,904 --> 00:25:05,824 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm setting my alarm. Next time, I will not 573 00:25:05,864 --> 00:25:07,664 Speaker 1: be a fool again and logne at nine o'clock in 574 00:25:07,664 --> 00:25:09,544 Speaker 1: the morning and see that everything's sold out. Next time, 575 00:25:09,544 --> 00:25:11,064 Speaker 1: I'm setting an alarm in the middle of the night, 576 00:25:11,104 --> 00:25:13,504 Speaker 1: I'm jumping on and I'm buying some flowers proubles. 577 00:25:13,744 --> 00:25:17,224 Speaker 2: If any of our listeners bought anything from as, please 578 00:25:17,264 --> 00:25:19,224 Speaker 2: let us know in the comments and send us a 579 00:25:19,304 --> 00:25:21,024 Speaker 2: DM like we want to hear from you and bought 580 00:25:21,064 --> 00:25:22,104 Speaker 2: us a task. 581 00:25:21,744 --> 00:25:24,224 Speaker 1: For jam Well, thank you so much for listening to 582 00:25:24,224 --> 00:25:26,344 Speaker 1: The Spill today, and make sure you tune back into 583 00:25:26,344 --> 00:25:28,904 Speaker 1: tomorrow's episode because I don't want to spoil it. It's 584 00:25:28,904 --> 00:25:31,144 Speaker 1: going to be a surprise, but we have some very 585 00:25:31,144 --> 00:25:33,784 Speaker 1: big names from I'm going to say the biggest TV 586 00:25:33,824 --> 00:25:35,784 Speaker 1: show in the world right now, even I'm dramatic. That 587 00:25:35,824 --> 00:25:38,784 Speaker 1: doesn't even feel like an exaggeration. Coming on the pod tomorrow, 588 00:25:38,904 --> 00:25:42,984 Speaker 1: along with all of our weekend watch recommendations, so stay 589 00:25:43,024 --> 00:25:45,384 Speaker 1: tuned for that. And The Spill is produced by Ned 590 00:25:45,424 --> 00:25:48,064 Speaker 1: Green with sound production by Scott Stronik. And we'll see 591 00:25:48,104 --> 00:25:50,784 Speaker 1: you back here on your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 592 00:25:50,824 --> 00:25:56,904 Speaker 3: Bye bye.