1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,704 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,704 --> 00:00:30,344 Speaker 1: to the Spill your daily pop culture FeAs. I'm Laura Brodnick. 6 00:00:30,064 --> 00:00:32,864 Speaker 2: And Iron Ash London. Hello now on today's show. The 7 00:00:32,904 --> 00:00:35,504 Speaker 2: Arias run last night and there were a number of 8 00:00:35,584 --> 00:00:39,184 Speaker 2: surprise winners and snubs. Plus we know exactly what people 9 00:00:39,184 --> 00:00:42,184 Speaker 2: were searching on Google last night during Missy Higgins's speech, 10 00:00:42,224 --> 00:00:45,024 Speaker 2: which should surprise me, but it doesn't. And we need 11 00:00:45,064 --> 00:00:48,744 Speaker 2: to talk about the access paparazzi had to Liam Payne's funeral, 12 00:00:48,784 --> 00:00:51,344 Speaker 2: which just happened and it's still very very sad. 13 00:00:52,064 --> 00:00:55,664 Speaker 1: Yes. But first, some very exciting news for book lovers 14 00:00:55,664 --> 00:00:57,784 Speaker 1: around the world, or book lovers of Colin Hoover, which, 15 00:00:57,864 --> 00:01:00,184 Speaker 1: judging by the number of sales that woman has made, 16 00:01:00,344 --> 00:01:03,744 Speaker 1: is a pretty huge chunk of people. So people have 17 00:01:03,824 --> 00:01:06,544 Speaker 1: been clamoring to find out who was going to start 18 00:01:06,584 --> 00:01:09,424 Speaker 1: in the adaptation of her book Verity, So if you're 19 00:01:09,424 --> 00:01:12,264 Speaker 1: not across Verity, she actually self published it in twenty 20 00:01:12,384 --> 00:01:15,864 Speaker 1: eighteen and it became such a huge success just from 21 00:01:15,904 --> 00:01:18,864 Speaker 1: people finding online and word of mouth that it was 22 00:01:18,864 --> 00:01:21,144 Speaker 1: then acquired by a publisher and then became a New 23 00:01:21,224 --> 00:01:24,424 Speaker 1: York Times bestseller, and just in twenty twenty three it's 24 00:01:24,464 --> 00:01:27,464 Speaker 1: sold over a million copies, which is wild. So I 25 00:01:27,504 --> 00:01:30,664 Speaker 1: guess because it's a psycho sexual thriller, people have likened 26 00:01:30,664 --> 00:01:33,304 Speaker 1: it to Rebecca and Gone Girl. I personally wouldn't go 27 00:01:33,504 --> 00:01:35,184 Speaker 1: that far, but it is a good page turner. 28 00:01:35,424 --> 00:01:39,344 Speaker 2: It's not the same kind of level of literary perfection, 29 00:01:39,664 --> 00:01:41,744 Speaker 2: not that we want to be judgy, but can I 30 00:01:41,784 --> 00:01:44,024 Speaker 2: just say before we kind of get into this, yeah, 31 00:01:44,184 --> 00:01:47,344 Speaker 2: I think it's so wonderful that women like Colleen Hoover 32 00:01:47,864 --> 00:01:50,544 Speaker 2: self published back in the day and slogged it out 33 00:01:50,864 --> 00:01:53,624 Speaker 2: before the rest of the world cottoned on to the 34 00:01:53,624 --> 00:01:55,824 Speaker 2: fact that women were desperate for this kind of writing. 35 00:01:56,224 --> 00:01:58,824 Speaker 2: So yes, she's self published and did the slog. Now 36 00:01:58,984 --> 00:02:02,864 Speaker 2: so many women are having their books published and now 37 00:02:02,864 --> 00:02:04,944 Speaker 2: they're being turned into films, and I just think it's 38 00:02:04,984 --> 00:02:08,224 Speaker 2: so wonderful that, like, we're being taken seriously now. 39 00:02:08,424 --> 00:02:10,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And you can't argue against that level of 40 00:02:10,984 --> 00:02:14,024 Speaker 1: word of mouth marketing, like for a self published book 41 00:02:14,024 --> 00:02:16,064 Speaker 1: to go on to sell means of copies you need 42 00:02:16,144 --> 00:02:19,144 Speaker 1: so many women to take action and say I finished this, 43 00:02:19,264 --> 00:02:20,824 Speaker 1: like I found this book, I read it, and then 44 00:02:20,864 --> 00:02:22,944 Speaker 1: to tell all your friends about it. That's something that 45 00:02:22,984 --> 00:02:25,424 Speaker 1: like best selling authors often can't even get that level 46 00:02:25,464 --> 00:02:28,024 Speaker 1: of traction totally. So I think that's why people have 47 00:02:28,104 --> 00:02:30,264 Speaker 1: been really excited to see has come to the big screen. 48 00:02:30,344 --> 00:02:32,424 Speaker 1: So it's Anne Hathaway and she's tearing up with the 49 00:02:32,464 --> 00:02:34,704 Speaker 1: same director that she worked with for The Idea of You, 50 00:02:35,064 --> 00:02:36,544 Speaker 1: which I quite liked. I don't want to hear a 51 00:02:36,584 --> 00:02:37,304 Speaker 1: word against that movie. 52 00:02:37,504 --> 00:02:39,544 Speaker 2: I will never say a bad word against it. That 53 00:02:39,784 --> 00:02:43,744 Speaker 2: scene in the piano when he's playing the piano and 54 00:02:43,824 --> 00:02:46,744 Speaker 2: she comes over and she's all like, we shouldn't and 55 00:02:46,744 --> 00:02:49,824 Speaker 2: then he's big man hands like fondling her and then 56 00:02:49,864 --> 00:02:53,984 Speaker 2: they kiss to me. That is as like sexually charged 57 00:02:54,024 --> 00:02:55,944 Speaker 2: as it comes. And I didn't read Did you read 58 00:02:55,944 --> 00:02:56,664 Speaker 2: the book? Yeah? 59 00:02:56,704 --> 00:02:58,944 Speaker 1: I did, and the book is much sexier, so they 60 00:02:58,984 --> 00:03:01,504 Speaker 1: actually toned it way down. This is I don't want 61 00:03:01,504 --> 00:03:03,584 Speaker 1: to sound like an old white man, but bring back 62 00:03:03,624 --> 00:03:05,464 Speaker 1: sex in movies, is what I'm going to say. I 63 00:03:05,544 --> 00:03:07,744 Speaker 1: feel like I watched way more sex and movies as 64 00:03:07,784 --> 00:03:10,184 Speaker 1: a kid, sneaking like VHS's that I wasn't allowed to 65 00:03:10,224 --> 00:03:13,864 Speaker 1: watch in like normal rom coms, and then today everything 66 00:03:13,904 --> 00:03:14,824 Speaker 1: is very sanitized. 67 00:03:14,984 --> 00:03:17,624 Speaker 2: It is, absolutely, But the thing is, Babe, the books 68 00:03:17,664 --> 00:03:18,544 Speaker 2: aren't sanitized. 69 00:03:18,624 --> 00:03:20,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, the books are sexier than ever. 70 00:03:20,424 --> 00:03:23,064 Speaker 2: Yes, Like so, Emily Henry also has had pretty much 71 00:03:23,104 --> 00:03:26,264 Speaker 2: all of her back catalog now greenlit. So people we 72 00:03:26,304 --> 00:03:29,704 Speaker 2: meet on vacation is happening Emily Bader who is my 73 00:03:29,904 --> 00:03:32,104 Speaker 2: lady Jane, and Tom Blathe and the Hunk Games both 74 00:03:32,104 --> 00:03:34,904 Speaker 2: in it. There's some sex in that be treated another 75 00:03:34,904 --> 00:03:38,024 Speaker 2: Emily Henry one, and people are saying that Io Edibri 76 00:03:38,304 --> 00:03:39,944 Speaker 2: is going to be in that one with Paul Mescalo. 77 00:03:40,064 --> 00:03:43,224 Speaker 2: Now none of that is confirmed, but if it does 78 00:03:43,344 --> 00:03:46,424 Speaker 2: happen and we do not get a sex scene between 79 00:03:46,464 --> 00:03:49,944 Speaker 2: those two, I will burn the cinema down, just quietly. 80 00:03:50,304 --> 00:03:54,624 Speaker 1: You'll see reports ash London. Yeah, burning cinemas now the cops. 81 00:03:54,864 --> 00:03:56,824 Speaker 2: This audio will be all the proof they need to 82 00:03:56,824 --> 00:04:00,384 Speaker 2: press charges because I need to see it Happy Place again. 83 00:04:00,464 --> 00:04:04,104 Speaker 2: Jennifer Lopez's production company. That's another Emily Henry book that's 84 00:04:04,144 --> 00:04:06,704 Speaker 2: happening for Netflix. And I couldn't agree with you more 85 00:04:06,744 --> 00:04:09,944 Speaker 2: even like nobody wants this one of the greatest rom coms. 86 00:04:09,944 --> 00:04:14,864 Speaker 2: I've ever no sex scenes. I need to see bits 87 00:04:14,984 --> 00:04:15,704 Speaker 2: touching bits. 88 00:04:16,224 --> 00:04:18,224 Speaker 1: Yes, that's all these two ladies want to hear. So 89 00:04:18,624 --> 00:04:21,584 Speaker 1: verity is obviously they've only just announced the casting and everything, 90 00:04:21,624 --> 00:04:23,104 Speaker 1: so it'll probably take a few years for it to 91 00:04:23,144 --> 00:04:26,424 Speaker 1: actually come out. But excited about that, and just excited 92 00:04:26,464 --> 00:04:28,144 Speaker 1: about all these women who are getting their books made 93 00:04:28,184 --> 00:04:30,024 Speaker 1: into movies. That's all we want, that's. 94 00:04:29,864 --> 00:04:31,624 Speaker 2: All we want. That's what I want to do. I 95 00:04:31,624 --> 00:04:34,304 Speaker 2: would like my book to be made into a movie 96 00:04:34,384 --> 00:04:35,064 Speaker 2: so I could be rich. 97 00:04:35,184 --> 00:04:35,864 Speaker 1: That's going to happen. 98 00:04:36,424 --> 00:04:38,184 Speaker 2: Just go and lie by a pool with the rest 99 00:04:38,224 --> 00:04:40,584 Speaker 2: of my life. Thank you, Just not to make it 100 00:04:40,584 --> 00:04:42,024 Speaker 2: about me, but please. 101 00:04:41,784 --> 00:04:42,504 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. 102 00:04:42,904 --> 00:04:44,384 Speaker 2: Thank you so much that I'll see you there. I'll 103 00:04:44,424 --> 00:04:45,824 Speaker 2: book you a plan ticket to come join me. 104 00:04:49,344 --> 00:04:51,944 Speaker 1: Drive you crazy, just. 105 00:04:54,344 --> 00:04:58,744 Speaker 2: Change So Laura, we've seen it all over the news. 106 00:04:58,944 --> 00:05:01,704 Speaker 2: It's still hard to even get at my head around. 107 00:05:01,704 --> 00:05:04,704 Speaker 2: I still can't believe this whole thing happened. Liam Payne 108 00:05:04,744 --> 00:05:08,024 Speaker 2: passing away at the young age of thirty one, just 109 00:05:08,064 --> 00:05:10,704 Speaker 2: a baby, after falling from the third floor bal in 110 00:05:10,704 --> 00:05:15,024 Speaker 2: Buenos Aire's last month. Investigations are still ongoing. Now it 111 00:05:15,104 --> 00:05:17,224 Speaker 2: happened last month. But obviously due to the fact that 112 00:05:17,224 --> 00:05:20,424 Speaker 2: it happened overseas and there are investigations and there's kind 113 00:05:20,424 --> 00:05:23,944 Speaker 2: of so much extra complication around it. The funeral just 114 00:05:24,064 --> 00:05:27,144 Speaker 2: happened in the UK. It's at Mary's Church, about forty 115 00:05:27,224 --> 00:05:31,904 Speaker 2: kilometers northwest of London. Now it's always a funny one, 116 00:05:31,944 --> 00:05:36,824 Speaker 2: isn't it when a huge celebrity passes away and we 117 00:05:36,984 --> 00:05:41,584 Speaker 2: end up getting paparazzi photos of the funeral. Now, sometimes 118 00:05:42,024 --> 00:05:45,464 Speaker 2: there's lots of security and these paparazzi photos are from 119 00:05:45,584 --> 00:05:48,904 Speaker 2: very far away, kind of like long lens, blurry behind 120 00:05:48,944 --> 00:05:52,224 Speaker 2: a tree. Whatever. This was a little different. Perhaps it 121 00:05:52,264 --> 00:05:55,024 Speaker 2: was the fact that details of the funeral were published. 122 00:05:55,424 --> 00:05:59,744 Speaker 2: Perhaps the family just decided, hey, we know the photos 123 00:05:59,744 --> 00:06:02,584 Speaker 2: are going to exist, we may as well just kind 124 00:06:02,624 --> 00:06:05,904 Speaker 2: of live with it and let it happen. But lots 125 00:06:05,904 --> 00:06:09,584 Speaker 2: of intimate photos of people that I feel like we know, 126 00:06:09,824 --> 00:06:13,464 Speaker 2: because there's so famous mourning and it is such a 127 00:06:13,504 --> 00:06:16,064 Speaker 2: strange thing. So we had, of course all the boys 128 00:06:16,104 --> 00:06:20,704 Speaker 2: from one direction, Harry Nile with his girlfriend Zane and Louis, 129 00:06:21,144 --> 00:06:24,784 Speaker 2: plus Leam's girlfriend Kate Cassidy, who attended with Liz Hurley's 130 00:06:24,784 --> 00:06:29,344 Speaker 2: son Damien Hurley, her friend James Corden Simon Cowell of course, 131 00:06:29,384 --> 00:06:32,864 Speaker 2: who kind of started One Direction, And as I said, 132 00:06:32,904 --> 00:06:36,984 Speaker 2: these photos are of normal people mourning at a funeral, 133 00:06:37,224 --> 00:06:39,384 Speaker 2: and if you can just put yourself in that position, 134 00:06:39,464 --> 00:06:41,264 Speaker 2: like I don't know if you've been to many funerals before, 135 00:06:41,304 --> 00:06:45,144 Speaker 2: but they're really shitty affairs, especially when someone is too young. 136 00:06:45,184 --> 00:06:47,944 Speaker 2: And I just can't imagine how it would feel to 137 00:06:48,104 --> 00:06:50,704 Speaker 2: have to go to a funeral to mourn someone you love, 138 00:06:50,824 --> 00:06:54,264 Speaker 2: knowing full well that photos of you at that event 139 00:06:54,304 --> 00:06:56,264 Speaker 2: will be published all around the world. Straight. 140 00:06:56,704 --> 00:07:01,104 Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's two really conflicting emotions I think happening around 141 00:07:01,104 --> 00:07:02,944 Speaker 1: this event. And one is that a lot of the 142 00:07:02,944 --> 00:07:05,384 Speaker 1: people who are searching this information out, who are wanting 143 00:07:05,424 --> 00:07:08,624 Speaker 1: to see these photos and see the details die hard 144 00:07:08,664 --> 00:07:11,664 Speaker 1: One Direction fan who grew up with this band, and 145 00:07:11,744 --> 00:07:13,584 Speaker 1: also like it might have been their first taste of 146 00:07:13,624 --> 00:07:15,304 Speaker 1: falling in love with music, they might have been their 147 00:07:15,344 --> 00:07:18,224 Speaker 1: first concert, and so I think that they're wanting to 148 00:07:18,264 --> 00:07:20,464 Speaker 1: sort of see all the details and sort of take 149 00:07:20,504 --> 00:07:23,584 Speaker 1: part in the morning as a form of closure. But 150 00:07:23,664 --> 00:07:26,824 Speaker 1: then there's also the huge celebrity element around it. You know, 151 00:07:26,864 --> 00:07:29,504 Speaker 1: I've seen outlets and people online billing it as like 152 00:07:29,864 --> 00:07:32,944 Speaker 1: the One Direction reunion we've been waiting for, because the 153 00:07:32,984 --> 00:07:36,144 Speaker 1: group hasn't been pictured together in so many years, and 154 00:07:36,224 --> 00:07:38,184 Speaker 1: there's no pictures of them. They didn't pose for a 155 00:07:38,224 --> 00:07:40,264 Speaker 1: group photo or anything like that. What we're seeing is 156 00:07:40,304 --> 00:07:43,024 Speaker 1: all of these single shots of the former One Direction 157 00:07:43,184 --> 00:07:46,224 Speaker 1: band members walking into the church. But it has been 158 00:07:46,304 --> 00:07:49,304 Speaker 1: hyped as this reunion, which I think is not quite 159 00:07:49,344 --> 00:07:52,544 Speaker 1: the tone that you would want for an event like this. 160 00:07:53,024 --> 00:07:54,824 Speaker 1: But also just the thing is, even if you weren't 161 00:07:54,864 --> 00:07:57,024 Speaker 1: seeking out these images and these videos, like I don't 162 00:07:57,024 --> 00:07:58,544 Speaker 1: know what you ash, but they just found me, like 163 00:07:58,544 --> 00:08:00,704 Speaker 1: they were filling my nose feeds, they were coming up 164 00:08:00,744 --> 00:08:02,184 Speaker 1: in articles, they were I didn't have to go and 165 00:08:02,224 --> 00:08:04,144 Speaker 1: look for the information. It was just in front of 166 00:08:04,144 --> 00:08:07,784 Speaker 1: my face. And some of the details just felt so personal, 167 00:08:07,904 --> 00:08:11,864 Speaker 1: Like I've seen really up close photos OF's parents, which 168 00:08:11,984 --> 00:08:15,784 Speaker 1: just it felt like intruding too far into someone's grief 169 00:08:15,904 --> 00:08:18,704 Speaker 1: because his parents are not public figures, and the look 170 00:08:18,704 --> 00:08:20,904 Speaker 1: on his mother's face it's like burnt into my brain now, 171 00:08:20,984 --> 00:08:25,184 Speaker 1: this devastation. And then we're also seeing the floral arrangements outside, 172 00:08:25,224 --> 00:08:28,064 Speaker 1: so his son bear his seven year old son wasn't pictured, 173 00:08:28,104 --> 00:08:30,424 Speaker 1: Sheryl Cole, his mother was pictured. The mother of his 174 00:08:30,464 --> 00:08:33,224 Speaker 1: son was pictured going in and she was surrounded by 175 00:08:33,584 --> 00:08:36,464 Speaker 1: like girls, allowed, singers and all that sort of stuff. 176 00:08:36,504 --> 00:08:38,944 Speaker 1: But there was like a floral arrangement that said daddy 177 00:08:39,344 --> 00:08:42,184 Speaker 1: out the front. There's so many pictures of that. There's 178 00:08:42,224 --> 00:08:45,144 Speaker 1: another floral arrangement that says son. And there's also a 179 00:08:45,184 --> 00:08:48,264 Speaker 1: floral display of bowling pins because he loved bowling. And 180 00:08:48,304 --> 00:08:51,184 Speaker 1: so there's all these like little personal touches that are 181 00:08:51,224 --> 00:08:54,264 Speaker 1: now being pushed across the internet. And I also think, 182 00:08:54,344 --> 00:08:56,224 Speaker 1: like it's not just the photos. You just got to 183 00:08:56,224 --> 00:08:57,984 Speaker 1: think about what it would have been like to have 184 00:08:58,024 --> 00:09:01,504 Speaker 1: a huge swarm of paparazzi. They're taking the photos, like 185 00:09:01,784 --> 00:09:03,744 Speaker 1: a lot of them look like they're through a long lens, 186 00:09:04,064 --> 00:09:07,064 Speaker 1: but still all these people. What you don't see in 187 00:09:07,104 --> 00:09:08,904 Speaker 1: these photos is the fact that these people would have 188 00:09:08,904 --> 00:09:11,904 Speaker 1: been chased. They're having is pushed in their face, like 189 00:09:11,984 --> 00:09:14,784 Speaker 1: I've seen up close photos of the coffin. I shouldn't 190 00:09:14,784 --> 00:09:17,424 Speaker 1: have seen that, but it's there because it's too personal. 191 00:09:17,904 --> 00:09:20,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you've kind of explained the two sides of 192 00:09:20,584 --> 00:09:23,944 Speaker 2: it so beautifully, because as you said like one direction 193 00:09:24,104 --> 00:09:27,544 Speaker 2: were an ah still are forced to be reckoned with. 194 00:09:27,784 --> 00:09:30,704 Speaker 2: For so many people, this was the first time they 195 00:09:30,704 --> 00:09:33,424 Speaker 2: fell in love, you know, And this is the kind 196 00:09:33,464 --> 00:09:35,784 Speaker 2: of and they've always had the kind of access that 197 00:09:36,064 --> 00:09:38,344 Speaker 2: perhaps when we were teenagers we didn't have to our 198 00:09:38,344 --> 00:09:41,664 Speaker 2: favorite celebrities because social media didn't exist, and the only 199 00:09:41,744 --> 00:09:45,304 Speaker 2: photos we got of them were like paparazzi photos or 200 00:09:45,344 --> 00:09:48,144 Speaker 2: official engagements. You didn't get a peek into their real 201 00:09:48,224 --> 00:09:50,704 Speaker 2: life and to know them as humans. But you know, 202 00:09:50,784 --> 00:09:54,184 Speaker 2: as teenagers, these people like they were following them on 203 00:09:54,224 --> 00:09:57,384 Speaker 2: social media, they knew them intimately. They loved these boys 204 00:09:57,424 --> 00:09:59,944 Speaker 2: and still love them. And that kind of love stays 205 00:09:59,944 --> 00:10:03,064 Speaker 2: with you. The love you feel for someone at twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 206 00:10:03,104 --> 00:10:05,344 Speaker 2: fifteen doesn't just go away like it kind of it 207 00:10:05,384 --> 00:10:08,264 Speaker 2: grows with you and then it's almost like a first boyfriend. 208 00:10:08,264 --> 00:10:11,264 Speaker 2: And I don't want that to sound like I'm kind 209 00:10:11,304 --> 00:10:13,544 Speaker 2: of being tried about it, like I really mean it, 210 00:10:13,624 --> 00:10:17,704 Speaker 2: because this is like something we probably won't experience again 211 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:21,064 Speaker 2: in our lifetime, that kind of love and obsession. And 212 00:10:21,144 --> 00:10:25,144 Speaker 2: when someone passes like it is grief. This isn't for 213 00:10:25,264 --> 00:10:29,304 Speaker 2: many people. His death isn't just like some celebrity, but 214 00:10:29,344 --> 00:10:31,824 Speaker 2: it's someone that a lot of people grew up really 215 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:35,944 Speaker 2: loving and there is so much kind of grief attached 216 00:10:35,944 --> 00:10:38,304 Speaker 2: to it. So in a way, I think it is 217 00:10:38,384 --> 00:10:42,824 Speaker 2: really beautiful. Maybe his family had no choice, but that 218 00:10:44,024 --> 00:10:46,984 Speaker 2: for a lot of people, they probably would have loved 219 00:10:47,024 --> 00:10:49,584 Speaker 2: to be there to mourn this person that they loved, 220 00:10:49,584 --> 00:10:51,984 Speaker 2: and how they kind of get a sense of it. 221 00:10:52,024 --> 00:10:53,984 Speaker 2: For someone like me who was a bit older, and 222 00:10:54,024 --> 00:10:55,864 Speaker 2: of course I loved one d but I didn't have 223 00:10:55,944 --> 00:10:58,424 Speaker 2: the same sense of like obsession, it does feel a 224 00:10:58,464 --> 00:11:01,224 Speaker 2: bit voyeuristic to look at these photos, like, oh, especially 225 00:11:01,224 --> 00:11:04,344 Speaker 2: the floral arrangements of the coffin, that feels a bit like, oh, 226 00:11:04,384 --> 00:11:06,424 Speaker 2: but this is the world he lived in, and this 227 00:11:06,504 --> 00:11:09,544 Speaker 2: is the world that kind of gave him the experiences 228 00:11:09,584 --> 00:11:11,464 Speaker 2: and the life that he had. So I guess it 229 00:11:11,624 --> 00:11:14,784 Speaker 2: was and is normal. Like what is the family going 230 00:11:14,824 --> 00:11:17,024 Speaker 2: to do? Like what are they going to do? Honestly, like, 231 00:11:17,784 --> 00:11:21,264 Speaker 2: you either fight against it and it becomes something added 232 00:11:21,384 --> 00:11:25,024 Speaker 2: layer of stress on the day, or you let it 233 00:11:25,104 --> 00:11:28,464 Speaker 2: happen and prepare for it, you know, like everyone there 234 00:11:29,024 --> 00:11:30,864 Speaker 2: a lot of these celebrities have kind of lived with 235 00:11:30,904 --> 00:11:34,384 Speaker 2: this level of attention but yeah, like you said, it 236 00:11:34,464 --> 00:11:37,304 Speaker 2: is a bittersweet. As someone who's just kind of a 237 00:11:37,344 --> 00:11:40,104 Speaker 2: casual fan, it felt wrong. 238 00:11:40,544 --> 00:11:43,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly to look at it. Yeah, And I think 239 00:11:43,144 --> 00:11:45,144 Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like the photos and videos from 240 00:11:45,184 --> 00:11:47,304 Speaker 1: what I could see, were being received in a loving way, 241 00:11:47,384 --> 00:11:49,384 Speaker 1: but the cost of what they would have caused to 242 00:11:49,384 --> 00:11:51,544 Speaker 1: get them just seems very high. But again, I think 243 00:11:51,584 --> 00:11:53,144 Speaker 1: that what you're saying is it just comes with a 244 00:11:53,184 --> 00:11:55,944 Speaker 1: price of fame and just a very sad day all around. 245 00:11:56,224 --> 00:11:59,984 Speaker 2: Absolutely poor guy, poor family, poor son. And that's the thing, Like, 246 00:12:00,064 --> 00:12:02,784 Speaker 2: he's the one thing I keep coming back to is that, 247 00:12:02,864 --> 00:12:05,224 Speaker 2: you know, above everything, he was a dad and that's 248 00:12:05,304 --> 00:12:07,024 Speaker 2: changed his son's life forever. 249 00:12:09,264 --> 00:12:13,824 Speaker 1: So Astray Music Night of Nights was held was held 250 00:12:13,904 --> 00:12:16,984 Speaker 1: last night the ARIA Awards in Sydney, kicking off of 251 00:12:17,064 --> 00:12:19,624 Speaker 1: a very lavish red carpet and then going into the ceremony. 252 00:12:19,824 --> 00:12:22,864 Speaker 1: A few overall big winners from the night, So Sydney's 253 00:12:22,904 --> 00:12:26,384 Speaker 1: guitar pop duo overall Otis took home four ARIA Awards. 254 00:12:26,424 --> 00:12:29,024 Speaker 1: They were one of the big winners. They won Best Group, 255 00:12:29,104 --> 00:12:33,184 Speaker 1: Best Rock Album, Best Engineered Release, and Best Produced Release. 256 00:12:33,264 --> 00:12:35,544 Speaker 1: So a lot of big wins there Troy Savonne was 257 00:12:35,624 --> 00:12:38,144 Speaker 1: kind of the big overall winner of the night, who 258 00:12:38,184 --> 00:12:41,184 Speaker 1: won Album of the Year, Best Solo Artist, and Best 259 00:12:41,224 --> 00:12:41,824 Speaker 1: Pop Release. 260 00:12:42,384 --> 00:12:45,504 Speaker 2: Yes, and so wonderful for Troy, who I think for 261 00:12:45,544 --> 00:12:48,504 Speaker 2: a lot of years people kind of underestimated, like we 262 00:12:48,544 --> 00:12:51,384 Speaker 2: didn't realize the level of success he has been having 263 00:12:51,744 --> 00:12:55,584 Speaker 2: kind of worldwide. I remember, not to be this about me, 264 00:12:55,824 --> 00:12:58,024 Speaker 2: but like, maybe please do I want to say, like 265 00:12:58,104 --> 00:13:02,264 Speaker 2: ten years ago I attended like these like it was 266 00:13:02,304 --> 00:13:04,504 Speaker 2: like this tiny little Sydney I don't even know who 267 00:13:04,504 --> 00:13:07,584 Speaker 2: sponsored it. Maybe it was a pedestrian or an rip 268 00:13:07,864 --> 00:13:11,104 Speaker 2: something like that, or a buzzfees like and he won, 269 00:13:11,264 --> 00:13:13,824 Speaker 2: like you know, Digital Creator of the Year, and he 270 00:13:13,904 --> 00:13:16,344 Speaker 2: was this little kid and this like fourteen year old 271 00:13:16,384 --> 00:13:18,784 Speaker 2: gets up and we're all like, oh, who's this kid? 272 00:13:19,304 --> 00:13:21,864 Speaker 2: He's a YouTuber and kind of now look at him. 273 00:13:21,864 --> 00:13:23,824 Speaker 2: So I think it's wonderful that he's having his moment, 274 00:13:24,184 --> 00:13:26,384 Speaker 2: and perhaps it often happens that a lot of these 275 00:13:26,464 --> 00:13:28,144 Speaker 2: artists have to kind of go overseas and kill it 276 00:13:28,224 --> 00:13:30,824 Speaker 2: before Australia will kind of give him the kudoste. 277 00:13:30,904 --> 00:13:31,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 278 00:13:31,944 --> 00:13:33,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big fan of oh Boy, Troy Boy 279 00:13:33,824 --> 00:13:35,544 Speaker 2: and his mum, who's always there on the red carpet. 280 00:13:35,504 --> 00:13:39,144 Speaker 1: Sae, Oh, that's really cute. The other big winner of 281 00:13:39,184 --> 00:13:41,424 Speaker 1: the night, and this made me very happy because Missy 282 00:13:41,504 --> 00:13:44,024 Speaker 1: Higgins was the first concert I ever attended, so watching 283 00:13:44,064 --> 00:13:46,504 Speaker 1: her Yeah my friends lie in high school went was 284 00:13:46,504 --> 00:13:48,384 Speaker 1: a very big deal and she still holds up to 285 00:13:48,384 --> 00:13:50,144 Speaker 1: this day. So Missy Higgins was one of the big 286 00:13:50,184 --> 00:13:52,384 Speaker 1: winners of the night. She won the award for Best 287 00:13:52,424 --> 00:13:55,424 Speaker 1: Australian Live Act and she was also inducted into the 288 00:13:55,464 --> 00:13:58,544 Speaker 1: ARIA Hall of Fame, which was very exciting, and in 289 00:13:58,584 --> 00:14:02,864 Speaker 1: her Aria Hall of Fame speech, she got quite emotional 290 00:14:02,984 --> 00:14:05,304 Speaker 1: talking about I guess just you know, her life and 291 00:14:05,304 --> 00:14:09,904 Speaker 1: what's inspired her music and also how the breakdown of 292 00:14:09,944 --> 00:14:13,064 Speaker 1: her Marriagridge has really kind of shaped a lot of 293 00:14:13,064 --> 00:14:15,264 Speaker 1: her music and has also you know, made her very 294 00:14:15,264 --> 00:14:18,904 Speaker 1: emotional touring, and so that became sort of a big 295 00:14:18,944 --> 00:14:20,744 Speaker 1: point of the night. And what was interesting is when 296 00:14:20,864 --> 00:14:23,584 Speaker 1: the Arias were playing because at Muma Mia we can 297 00:14:23,664 --> 00:14:25,464 Speaker 1: sort of we've got like, you know, dashboards and things 298 00:14:25,464 --> 00:14:28,024 Speaker 1: that show us how many people are reading stories and 299 00:14:28,024 --> 00:14:30,584 Speaker 1: where it's coming from. And as soon as she got 300 00:14:30,664 --> 00:14:32,384 Speaker 1: up on stage, all of a sudden it felt like 301 00:14:32,424 --> 00:14:35,944 Speaker 1: every person in Australia was googling Missy higgins divorce because 302 00:14:35,984 --> 00:14:37,744 Speaker 1: she was talking about it, you know she and they 303 00:14:37,784 --> 00:14:40,144 Speaker 1: wanted to like, oh, what are the details here? And 304 00:14:40,184 --> 00:14:42,304 Speaker 1: so all of those stories on our site just started 305 00:14:42,304 --> 00:14:45,144 Speaker 1: going nuts for numbers. And it was because she was 306 00:14:45,184 --> 00:14:47,424 Speaker 1: talking about her divorce, because she had two kids with 307 00:14:47,424 --> 00:14:50,344 Speaker 1: her husband and they separated in twenty twenty two, and 308 00:14:50,464 --> 00:14:53,584 Speaker 1: she's spoken very openly about it on many different occasions, 309 00:14:53,584 --> 00:14:56,184 Speaker 1: either in interviews or talking through her music. But at 310 00:14:56,184 --> 00:14:59,304 Speaker 1: the time, she posted on her Instagram accounts sort of 311 00:14:59,304 --> 00:15:01,864 Speaker 1: talking about how they tried to keep the story alive, 312 00:15:02,064 --> 00:15:03,944 Speaker 1: and then she wanted to say, but life happens, doesn't it, 313 00:15:03,984 --> 00:15:06,144 Speaker 1: And once again I'm on my knees and utterly humbled 314 00:15:06,184 --> 00:15:08,224 Speaker 1: by my inability to control it, which I think a 315 00:15:08,224 --> 00:15:10,424 Speaker 1: lot of people related to. So she said, MISSI it 316 00:15:10,624 --> 00:15:13,344 Speaker 1: just finds a way, whether it's through what she says 317 00:15:13,384 --> 00:15:15,024 Speaker 1: or through her music, to just get to the heart 318 00:15:15,064 --> 00:15:17,664 Speaker 1: of what you're thinking, whether it's a friendship, breakup or 319 00:15:17,944 --> 00:15:20,384 Speaker 1: love or a divorce, I think, and just like putting 320 00:15:20,424 --> 00:15:22,584 Speaker 1: words around it in a way that other people don't. 321 00:15:23,064 --> 00:15:25,904 Speaker 2: That's her job, right, that's what musicians do, and it's 322 00:15:25,904 --> 00:15:27,824 Speaker 2: what she's done for so many years. And I don't 323 00:15:27,864 --> 00:15:30,344 Speaker 2: know whether I should be disappointed that, you know, the 324 00:15:30,384 --> 00:15:34,944 Speaker 2: search terms weren't like Missy Higgins discography, mister Higgins' biggest hits, 325 00:15:34,984 --> 00:15:38,144 Speaker 2: because I'm like people remembering how much they loved SCA 326 00:15:38,504 --> 00:15:39,504 Speaker 2: or the specialty world. 327 00:15:39,584 --> 00:15:41,184 Speaker 1: But maybe people know that, like they know that it's like, 328 00:15:41,184 --> 00:15:43,304 Speaker 1: oh yeah, i'mnna put Missy Higgins into my Spotify and 329 00:15:43,344 --> 00:15:46,064 Speaker 1: like blast her music. It seems like there was always 330 00:15:46,064 --> 00:15:48,944 Speaker 1: so much like speculation around her relationship with her tool manager, 331 00:15:48,984 --> 00:15:51,304 Speaker 1: or relationship around her marriage. But I guess, like you know, 332 00:15:51,424 --> 00:15:53,544 Speaker 1: going back like twenty years ago, we didn't have that 333 00:15:53,664 --> 00:15:56,624 Speaker 1: level of like internet access to her, so maybe people 334 00:15:56,624 --> 00:15:57,544 Speaker 1: didn't know about her. 335 00:15:58,104 --> 00:16:01,304 Speaker 2: And also she was so big, as you said, pre 336 00:16:01,424 --> 00:16:04,384 Speaker 2: social media. She was so big. So for like our generation, 337 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,544 Speaker 2: we love her so much. But she always has been 338 00:16:06,624 --> 00:16:10,184 Speaker 2: quite not coy, but like, yeah, it's been about the music, 339 00:16:10,544 --> 00:16:12,064 Speaker 2: you know, in fact, for years and years. She just 340 00:16:12,184 --> 00:16:15,744 Speaker 2: kind of like one offhand comment about her sexuality defined 341 00:16:15,784 --> 00:16:19,064 Speaker 2: her as gay forever. Yeah, and she took her time 342 00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:21,544 Speaker 2: and just like when she was ready, she was like actually, 343 00:16:22,344 --> 00:16:24,024 Speaker 2: that was one thing that was kind of blown out 344 00:16:24,024 --> 00:16:26,664 Speaker 2: of proportion that I had this whole separate life to that, 345 00:16:26,744 --> 00:16:29,064 Speaker 2: and that actually doesn't define me at all. So I 346 00:16:29,064 --> 00:16:31,664 Speaker 2: find it interesting that she kind of like picks her moments, 347 00:16:32,184 --> 00:16:35,664 Speaker 2: but she is an absolute superstar. I am kind of 348 00:16:35,984 --> 00:16:38,384 Speaker 2: You're right, people care because her music's such a big 349 00:16:38,424 --> 00:16:40,944 Speaker 2: part of her lives. It's not like people are being. 350 00:16:41,064 --> 00:16:43,824 Speaker 1: I'm sure people wanted a little bit more, but I think, yeah, 351 00:16:43,824 --> 00:16:45,384 Speaker 1: But I think when you hear divorce, you think, because 352 00:16:45,424 --> 00:16:47,304 Speaker 1: she always has that thing that I think so many 353 00:16:47,384 --> 00:16:50,224 Speaker 1: musicians want, is that Like me, as a diehard fan, 354 00:16:50,344 --> 00:16:52,504 Speaker 1: I know every word to every one of her songs, 355 00:16:52,824 --> 00:16:54,624 Speaker 1: but I don't know that much about her personal life. 356 00:16:54,664 --> 00:16:57,184 Speaker 1: It's only recently when she did like that great take 357 00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:59,304 Speaker 1: five with like zan Row and stuff and really talked 358 00:16:59,304 --> 00:17:01,304 Speaker 1: about it that I knew about it. Before then, I 359 00:17:01,344 --> 00:17:03,504 Speaker 1: only knew her music, which I think most artists would 360 00:17:03,504 --> 00:17:05,344 Speaker 1: really want, so I guess, like that's a nice side 361 00:17:05,344 --> 00:17:07,344 Speaker 1: to it. And then when she was inducted into the 362 00:17:07,384 --> 00:17:09,824 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, she also made a really good point 363 00:17:09,824 --> 00:17:11,504 Speaker 1: that I think needed with a lot of people in 364 00:17:11,544 --> 00:17:13,064 Speaker 1: that room and also people who are trying to get 365 00:17:13,064 --> 00:17:15,184 Speaker 1: into that room, is that she was saying we need 366 00:17:15,224 --> 00:17:18,344 Speaker 1: to play more Aussie music on radio, saying that it's 367 00:17:18,424 --> 00:17:20,584 Speaker 1: so much harder now exactly what you're kind of saying 368 00:17:20,584 --> 00:17:23,264 Speaker 1: about Troy before. She was saying it's so much harder 369 00:17:23,304 --> 00:17:25,904 Speaker 1: now for Australian artists to break into the industry that 370 00:17:25,984 --> 00:17:28,064 Speaker 1: it was twenty years ago when she was starting out, 371 00:17:28,104 --> 00:17:29,904 Speaker 1: because that radio support's not there. 372 00:17:30,504 --> 00:17:32,504 Speaker 2: And I think that was evident in the fact that, 373 00:17:32,864 --> 00:17:35,864 Speaker 2: you know, I've been someone who's worked in music radio 374 00:17:35,904 --> 00:17:37,864 Speaker 2: commercially for ten years and I've stept out of it 375 00:17:37,904 --> 00:17:39,344 Speaker 2: for kind of two or three years now, So I'm 376 00:17:39,344 --> 00:17:42,624 Speaker 2: the perfect example of someone who like lived and breathed 377 00:17:42,624 --> 00:17:45,024 Speaker 2: Australian music and the aris for so long and now 378 00:17:45,024 --> 00:17:48,264 Speaker 2: I'm kind of a normal, a regular punter. I didn't 379 00:17:48,304 --> 00:17:51,304 Speaker 2: know eighty percent of the people on that red carpet, like. 380 00:17:52,184 --> 00:17:54,704 Speaker 2: I think that is pretty indicative of where we're at 381 00:17:54,824 --> 00:17:58,464 Speaker 2: and the fact that mainstream media and commercial radio are 382 00:17:58,504 --> 00:18:01,264 Speaker 2: not supporting Australian music. And there are many, many different 383 00:18:01,304 --> 00:18:05,144 Speaker 2: reasons for it, and it is very layered, but I mean, 384 00:18:05,704 --> 00:18:07,984 Speaker 2: can you think of how many breakthrough Australian pop ucks 385 00:18:07,984 --> 00:18:09,544 Speaker 2: we've had in the past couple of years apart from 386 00:18:09,624 --> 00:18:13,624 Speaker 2: like the kid, like there's no one and I think 387 00:18:13,664 --> 00:18:16,504 Speaker 2: that's really sad exactly. 388 00:18:16,544 --> 00:18:18,384 Speaker 1: And they used to do so many avenues, as you said, 389 00:18:18,384 --> 00:18:20,064 Speaker 1: like there were different festivals that you could go do 390 00:18:20,144 --> 00:18:22,144 Speaker 1: and you might hear someone on a small stage and 391 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:24,264 Speaker 1: then you go and follow them. But like festivals are 392 00:18:24,264 --> 00:18:26,544 Speaker 1: closing down now and people only go to the big acts. 393 00:18:26,864 --> 00:18:29,624 Speaker 1: Even if people listen to radio anymore, you're only really 394 00:18:29,624 --> 00:18:31,864 Speaker 1: getting the same few kind of like big pop songs 395 00:18:31,904 --> 00:18:32,864 Speaker 1: over and over again. 396 00:18:32,704 --> 00:18:35,904 Speaker 2: Like I don't hear anything new. They're like looking to Spotify, 397 00:18:36,064 --> 00:18:38,704 Speaker 2: looking to TikTok, looking to see what trending tracks are, 398 00:18:39,224 --> 00:18:41,064 Speaker 2: and there might be a couple that break through and 399 00:18:41,144 --> 00:18:43,264 Speaker 2: kind of get played, but there's certainly no one's in 400 00:18:43,304 --> 00:18:44,824 Speaker 2: there going, oh, this is a great as the artist, 401 00:18:44,864 --> 00:18:47,144 Speaker 2: we should get behind, which is definitely how it used 402 00:18:47,144 --> 00:18:48,544 Speaker 2: to be. And that was kind of something that I 403 00:18:48,584 --> 00:18:51,984 Speaker 2: know I took very seriously, was this is a responsibility 404 00:18:51,984 --> 00:18:54,144 Speaker 2: because if I don't do it, who's going to do it? 405 00:18:54,504 --> 00:18:57,304 Speaker 2: So it really breaks my heart when it comes to like, 406 00:18:57,344 --> 00:19:00,344 Speaker 2: if you're an Australian artist now trying to break through, 407 00:19:01,104 --> 00:19:04,784 Speaker 2: TikTok's your only option, Yeah, like be TikTok star and 408 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:07,384 Speaker 2: if a hook of your song gets picked up and 409 00:19:07,504 --> 00:19:10,144 Speaker 2: starts trending on videos, that's how you're going to do it. 410 00:19:10,384 --> 00:19:11,744 Speaker 2: And I get that that's where we're at and we 411 00:19:11,824 --> 00:19:15,064 Speaker 2: need to adapt and move with the times. But it's 412 00:19:15,064 --> 00:19:18,184 Speaker 2: pretty sad, yes, and I'm all behind me. Someone like 413 00:19:18,264 --> 00:19:20,304 Speaker 2: Missy must look at the state of things now and 414 00:19:20,504 --> 00:19:23,264 Speaker 2: really feel for the other artists to try to come 415 00:19:23,344 --> 00:19:25,504 Speaker 2: up because they don't have the same opportunities that she 416 00:19:25,624 --> 00:19:26,704 Speaker 2: had twenty years ago. 417 00:19:26,944 --> 00:19:29,664 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Well, we ran a full recap of the 418 00:19:29,664 --> 00:19:31,664 Speaker 1: arias ONMMEA last night because there was so many moments 419 00:19:31,664 --> 00:19:33,024 Speaker 1: we have been a touch on here, so I link 420 00:19:33,064 --> 00:19:34,024 Speaker 1: that in the show notes so you can have a 421 00:19:34,104 --> 00:19:36,704 Speaker 1: full recap of exactly what went down. Well, thank you 422 00:19:36,744 --> 00:19:38,704 Speaker 1: so much for listening to the spill today. And if 423 00:19:38,704 --> 00:19:41,544 Speaker 1: you haven't heard enough fangirling over Missy Higgins in the 424 00:19:41,624 --> 00:19:45,104 Speaker 1: just this episode, Missy actually came into the MUMMEA offices 425 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,864 Speaker 1: not too long ago and was interviewed on our podcast 426 00:19:47,944 --> 00:19:50,984 Speaker 1: Are You Happy, which is hosted by Claire Stevens, and 427 00:19:51,304 --> 00:19:53,544 Speaker 1: we will link that episode in the show notes so 428 00:19:53,544 --> 00:19:55,904 Speaker 1: you can have a listen and also just a little 429 00:19:55,904 --> 00:19:58,584 Speaker 1: teaser of what's coming up on tomorrow's episode. It is 430 00:19:58,984 --> 00:20:01,504 Speaker 1: something we have been dying for weeks to do. We 431 00:20:01,544 --> 00:20:04,544 Speaker 1: are doing a brutally honest review on a movie that 432 00:20:04,584 --> 00:20:06,424 Speaker 1: I think we've been talking about for at least a year. 433 00:20:06,584 --> 00:20:09,184 Speaker 1: That's a little teaser. I won't say exactly. What's it, Hot, Frosty, 434 00:20:09,704 --> 00:20:12,304 Speaker 1: it is ash London. You have your build the names. 435 00:20:12,384 --> 00:20:13,064 Speaker 1: It's not people. 436 00:20:13,064 --> 00:20:13,584 Speaker 2: Don't worry. 437 00:20:14,544 --> 00:20:16,424 Speaker 1: We'll put that one on the maybe Liz and that 438 00:20:16,504 --> 00:20:19,184 Speaker 1: one will be dropping into your feed at three pm tomorrow. 439 00:20:19,304 --> 00:20:22,184 Speaker 2: Bye bye.