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Speaker 1: We've got a question about PERF which I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: I could not tolerate it. I'm finally back on the

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Speaker 3: But Wonder asked me anything. You ask plenty questions.

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Speaker 1: Katie has asked Elda millennial here. I love that term.

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Speaker 1: I've been using prescription retinal pretty consistently for a few years,

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Speaker 1: My question is for the aging benefits as I approach forty,

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Speaker 1: is it better to use mild retinal often, such as

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Speaker 1: Thank you ladies for being such a trusted source for

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Speaker 1: my skin.

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Speaker 2: In ket question, Katie, look, I think Kelly and I

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Speaker 3: I don't think either of us use prescription retinol. I don't.

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Speaker 1: It just means that we wouldn't be able to use

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we test a lot of over the counter

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Speaker 2: You go through dryness, flakiness, reddness, tightness, sometimes breakouts when

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Speaker 2: you push through. Eventually, apparently it's great. And follow everyone.

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Speaker 1: I'm part of this retinal group on Facebook just to

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Speaker 2: And the thing is any type of vitamin A product

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Speaker 1: When you use an over the counter retinal or different products,

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Speaker 2: So I'm very much in the over the counter camp

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Speaker 3: Like you almost wouldn't know it was a vitamin A product.

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Speaker 1: Beauty from Sephora Skin Lab Retinal Serum point two five

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Speaker 1: pure concentrate is specifically made for sensitive skin. So that

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Speaker 1: and the Rattit users have seen a lot of success

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Speaker 1: Well, well, we're actually going to see more results faster

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Speaker 2: Right, So this is a spendy. It's the Medicaid Crystal Retina. Yes,

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Speaker 3: They're great.

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Speaker 2: You can get that at Adoor beauty. Nutrogena is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: They've got a whole bunch of actual retinal products, but

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Speaker 2: the one I like the most is the Neutrogena Rapid

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Speaker 2: Ola Hendrickson double or Wine pro Grade zero point three

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Speaker 1: Even if a product says can be used twice a day, No,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to use it again. I should buy it again.

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Speaker 2: The go to very amazing retinal. It's a Vitner Maneo's favorite. Actually,

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Speaker 2: So gotya, Katia, You have a beautiful name. You said, Hi,

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Speaker 2: you be queens. My question is about perfume. No matter

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Speaker 2: which perfume I wear, it just doesn't last on me.

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Speaker 2: Can you please tell me some of your favorite perfumes

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Speaker 1: you ask other people around you, they can smell your perfume.

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Speaker 2: And before you give us the grades of the strengths,

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Speaker 2: because you're a pro that can I just further on

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Speaker 2: that point. It's a thing it's called olfactory aduption, So

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Speaker 2: your nose gets used to the smell that's right near it.

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Speaker 2: So like say, how you walk into someone's house and

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Speaker 2: You can get the little roll on ten mil roll

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Speaker 2: Ad Myra it's on sale and it is just so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Kelly a Yu. That's quite like literally how I would

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Speaker 2: So this is Jasmine orange blossom Tonka Bean. It's so beautiful, yum.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, and then they're good to have in your

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Speaker 1: So I have two new ones that I've recently discovered

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Speaker 2: But this is Goman means an edible note, So something

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Speaker 2: I wonder if the opposite could be true, because oftentimes

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Speaker 3: Yes you?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm going to try it on my hand

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Speaker 1: I just if you don't trust me, you're a makeup

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