1 00:00:10,265 --> 00:00:15,265 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,305 --> 00:00:18,345 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,465 --> 00:00:19,305 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,545 --> 00:00:24,465 Speaker 2: Makeup is My Therapy. I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and 5 00:00:24,505 --> 00:00:26,105 Speaker 2: I don't even feel guilty body. 6 00:00:29,825 --> 00:00:32,905 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for 7 00:00:33,025 --> 00:00:37,185 Speaker 1: your Face. I'm Kelly mccaren and welcome to the formula. 8 00:00:37,225 --> 00:00:41,105 Speaker 1: Every week I chat to all sorts of celebs, experts, 9 00:00:41,185 --> 00:00:44,145 Speaker 1: and their biggest names in beauty to take a sneak 10 00:00:44,225 --> 00:00:47,505 Speaker 1: peek inside their bathroom cabinet and still as much information 11 00:00:47,625 --> 00:00:51,745 Speaker 1: from their clever brains as possible ready to share with you. Now, 12 00:00:51,785 --> 00:00:53,785 Speaker 1: you might be in a certain stage of life where 13 00:00:53,785 --> 00:00:55,785 Speaker 1: your skin is just not what it used to be. 14 00:00:56,185 --> 00:00:59,625 Speaker 1: Maybe you're hitting your late thirties or forties and perimenopause 15 00:00:59,705 --> 00:01:03,305 Speaker 1: is roaring its ugly little head with dry skin and 16 00:01:03,425 --> 00:01:07,025 Speaker 1: random breakouts. Maybe you're pregnant and you've suddenly got pigmentation 17 00:01:07,145 --> 00:01:10,425 Speaker 1: that's appeared out of nowhere. Well, we might already know 18 00:01:10,505 --> 00:01:13,665 Speaker 1: that those sneaky little things called hormones have a lot 19 00:01:13,865 --> 00:01:16,505 Speaker 1: to do with it, and to help us understand how 20 00:01:16,505 --> 00:01:19,665 Speaker 1: hormones can affect our skin and come up with some solutions. 21 00:01:19,745 --> 00:01:23,705 Speaker 1: Is my amazing guest today with me today is celebrity 22 00:01:23,705 --> 00:01:28,865 Speaker 1: facialist and hormonal skin expert Ingrid Seaburn. After spending fifteen 23 00:01:28,985 --> 00:01:32,505 Speaker 1: years in Hollywood, working with a listers and transforming some 24 00:01:32,585 --> 00:01:36,025 Speaker 1: of the most famous faces in the world, Ingrid returned 25 00:01:36,025 --> 00:01:38,865 Speaker 1: to Sydney where she continues to help change the skin 26 00:01:38,945 --> 00:01:41,705 Speaker 1: of women in every phase of life. She's worked with 27 00:01:41,745 --> 00:01:45,065 Speaker 1: the likes of Delta Gudrum, Pip Edwards, Jackie O plus 28 00:01:45,145 --> 00:01:49,065 Speaker 1: Spy Skull Melcy to name a few. Ingrid's holistic approach 29 00:01:49,105 --> 00:01:53,425 Speaker 1: combines cutting edge skincare with a deep understanding of how 30 00:01:53,465 --> 00:01:56,305 Speaker 1: our internal biology affects what we see in the mirror. 31 00:01:56,625 --> 00:01:58,825 Speaker 1: You have such beautiful skin. 32 00:01:58,745 --> 00:02:02,025 Speaker 2: But how. 33 00:02:03,185 --> 00:02:07,105 Speaker 1: So today we are unpacking how those invisible chemical messengers 34 00:02:07,105 --> 00:02:09,585 Speaker 1: in our bodies create very visible changes in our se 35 00:02:09,785 --> 00:02:14,825 Speaker 1: in from pregnancy to postpartum, perimenopause, menopause and beyond. Ingrid, 36 00:02:14,905 --> 00:02:15,505 Speaker 1: Welcome to. 37 00:02:15,465 --> 00:02:18,505 Speaker 2: You, beauty, Thank you, Kelly. It's so nice to be. 38 00:02:18,505 --> 00:02:21,905 Speaker 1: Here on this rainy Sydney day. Before we get started, 39 00:02:22,425 --> 00:02:25,025 Speaker 1: what is the main message from this chat today that 40 00:02:25,065 --> 00:02:27,705 Speaker 1: you would love listeners to remember and take note of. 41 00:02:28,145 --> 00:02:31,625 Speaker 2: There are a couple of messages because that different things 42 00:02:31,625 --> 00:02:34,025 Speaker 2: are going on at different stages of your life, right 43 00:02:34,105 --> 00:02:38,905 Speaker 2: with your hormones. But hormones are such a huge part 44 00:02:39,065 --> 00:02:43,465 Speaker 2: of how our body functions, how healthy our skin is, 45 00:02:44,145 --> 00:02:47,225 Speaker 2: and I think the take home would be that I'm 46 00:02:47,225 --> 00:02:51,025 Speaker 2: going to try to sort of delve into things that 47 00:02:51,105 --> 00:02:56,545 Speaker 2: you can do to manage those hormones at the stage 48 00:02:56,625 --> 00:02:59,145 Speaker 2: of life that you're at, whether it's with pregnancy, hormones 49 00:02:59,305 --> 00:03:02,545 Speaker 2: or perimenopause, because I think there's a lot of information 50 00:03:03,025 --> 00:03:05,585 Speaker 2: out there about you know, this is what it is, 51 00:03:05,945 --> 00:03:08,785 Speaker 2: but not so much about what we can do. So 52 00:03:08,865 --> 00:03:11,585 Speaker 2: I think that's important to kind of Yeah, I agree 53 00:03:11,905 --> 00:03:15,025 Speaker 2: on actual skin solutions, and because. 54 00:03:14,745 --> 00:03:18,025 Speaker 1: We all can't afford to be going to an endocrinologist 55 00:03:18,145 --> 00:03:21,145 Speaker 1: or have the time every single time something different is happening, exactly. 56 00:03:21,185 --> 00:03:23,705 Speaker 1: I only recently realized that that was an actual thing. 57 00:03:23,985 --> 00:03:26,905 Speaker 1: An endochronologist anyone that's playing long at home, yeah, is 58 00:03:26,945 --> 00:03:29,785 Speaker 1: a doctor that specializes in hormones. I didn't know that 59 00:03:29,825 --> 00:03:32,745 Speaker 1: was the thing until recently. Really, Yeah, I know, I 60 00:03:33,025 --> 00:03:34,305 Speaker 1: guess I love it, right. 61 00:03:34,345 --> 00:03:36,225 Speaker 2: I love that you admit that. Oh, I'm not. 62 00:03:36,225 --> 00:03:39,905 Speaker 1: Afraid of admitting things before we dive into the specific 63 00:03:39,945 --> 00:03:43,385 Speaker 1: life stages. Can you help us understand the fundamental relationship 64 00:03:43,385 --> 00:03:46,305 Speaker 1: between hormones and skin, because the way I think about it, 65 00:03:46,345 --> 00:03:49,825 Speaker 1: I think that the perfect example is when you're a teenager, yes, 66 00:03:49,905 --> 00:03:51,905 Speaker 1: many of us, and we just start breaking. 67 00:03:51,585 --> 00:03:56,865 Speaker 2: Out absolutely, So hormones rule our lives as women, right, 68 00:03:57,065 --> 00:04:01,905 Speaker 2: So the basic connection with skin is that hormones are, 69 00:04:02,065 --> 00:04:06,065 Speaker 2: as you said, like the messengers, little chemical messengers that 70 00:04:06,145 --> 00:04:12,465 Speaker 2: go to our brain, to our muscles, what connects us 71 00:04:12,585 --> 00:04:18,425 Speaker 2: to our cellular function and so organ wise, skin is 72 00:04:18,465 --> 00:04:23,345 Speaker 2: your largest organ. So skin is probably the most reflective 73 00:04:23,505 --> 00:04:26,585 Speaker 2: organ of what's going on hormonally in your body. So 74 00:04:27,345 --> 00:04:32,265 Speaker 2: the relationship is really an obvious one because you can 75 00:04:32,345 --> 00:04:36,185 Speaker 2: tell what's going on with your body hormonally by what's 76 00:04:36,265 --> 00:04:40,105 Speaker 2: going on with your skin. And particularly with teenagers, you know, 77 00:04:40,145 --> 00:04:43,745 Speaker 2: we start off I mean the three biggies hormones for women, 78 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:49,945 Speaker 2: it's estrogen and progesterone, for men, testosterone. We have all 79 00:04:49,985 --> 00:04:53,065 Speaker 2: three in our bodies. But what happens when we reach 80 00:04:53,145 --> 00:04:58,665 Speaker 2: puberty is that those hormones start to kick in as 81 00:04:58,745 --> 00:05:03,025 Speaker 2: we start to get closer and closer to particularly when 82 00:05:03,065 --> 00:05:05,785 Speaker 2: you're pre pubescent, that's when they start to kind of 83 00:05:05,825 --> 00:05:08,225 Speaker 2: get a revon where you start to get a surge 84 00:05:08,385 --> 00:05:13,305 Speaker 2: of estrogen and a surge of progesterone, and the problems 85 00:05:13,425 --> 00:05:17,585 Speaker 2: are with imbalance. It's not the actual hormones. It's just 86 00:05:17,665 --> 00:05:22,425 Speaker 2: that the imbalance of hormones can go either way with 87 00:05:22,625 --> 00:05:26,825 Speaker 2: teenage skin. If you have an imbalance where there's a 88 00:05:26,945 --> 00:05:31,225 Speaker 2: surge of testosterone, then you're going to get more breakouts 89 00:05:31,905 --> 00:05:37,545 Speaker 2: because that creates more signaling to oil production, and then 90 00:05:37,585 --> 00:05:39,465 Speaker 2: you get the bacteria and so it becomes like a 91 00:05:39,545 --> 00:05:45,665 Speaker 2: vicious cycle. Same with progesterone. To a lesser extent. Progesterone 92 00:05:45,865 --> 00:05:50,625 Speaker 2: is a female hormone, but it can cause irritation and 93 00:05:50,745 --> 00:05:54,745 Speaker 2: clogged pores and more seben production, and so really it's 94 00:05:54,825 --> 00:05:57,945 Speaker 2: just that balance, and so it's so difficult for teenagers 95 00:05:58,025 --> 00:06:01,625 Speaker 2: to kind of get through that period and have perfect skin. 96 00:06:02,105 --> 00:06:04,985 Speaker 2: You know, some do, they're very lucky, but they're the 97 00:06:05,065 --> 00:06:06,025 Speaker 2: few yeap. 98 00:06:06,305 --> 00:06:09,345 Speaker 1: I must have had an awful lot of progesterone and testosterone, 99 00:06:09,345 --> 00:06:12,225 Speaker 1: because my skin was awful when I was a teenager. 100 00:06:12,705 --> 00:06:15,585 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such bad. And mine wasn't bad, Like I 101 00:06:15,705 --> 00:06:19,305 Speaker 2: had really bad cystic acne on my chin. And no 102 00:06:19,385 --> 00:06:22,265 Speaker 2: matter what, you know, this is it like for all hormones, right, 103 00:06:22,305 --> 00:06:25,065 Speaker 2: it's hormones, and it's so difficult. And the thing with 104 00:06:25,145 --> 00:06:27,665 Speaker 2: teens is it's such a tough one for them to 105 00:06:27,745 --> 00:06:30,825 Speaker 2: deal with because you know, they're so self conscious anyway 106 00:06:31,065 --> 00:06:33,945 Speaker 2: that they're you know, suddenly they've got all these pimples 107 00:06:33,985 --> 00:06:36,265 Speaker 2: and they just don't even want to go out of 108 00:06:36,265 --> 00:06:38,825 Speaker 2: the house. And then it's overwhelming on how do I 109 00:06:38,905 --> 00:06:41,825 Speaker 2: treat them? And then that becomes a rabbit. 110 00:06:41,545 --> 00:06:44,305 Speaker 1: Hole of all the wrong things exactly because you're trying 111 00:06:44,305 --> 00:06:46,225 Speaker 1: to put all of these different things on your skin 112 00:06:46,265 --> 00:06:47,665 Speaker 1: and they're trying to cover it up, and. 113 00:06:47,865 --> 00:06:51,825 Speaker 2: Yes, which makes it worse. Yeah, and different doctors, different therapies, 114 00:06:51,865 --> 00:06:54,425 Speaker 2: you know, people sometimes tell you different things exactly. And 115 00:06:54,745 --> 00:06:55,825 Speaker 2: social media. 116 00:06:55,865 --> 00:06:57,585 Speaker 1: I mean everyone's an expert, right. 117 00:06:57,625 --> 00:07:02,545 Speaker 2: Everyone's an expert. And teenagers will listen to influences on 118 00:07:02,625 --> 00:07:04,985 Speaker 2: social media more so than they will a. 119 00:07:04,985 --> 00:07:07,505 Speaker 1: Doctor exactly because she's terrifying. 120 00:07:07,545 --> 00:07:10,105 Speaker 2: God knows, you know, TikTok is no more, right. 121 00:07:10,785 --> 00:07:14,345 Speaker 1: So of course they do it. Yeah, they read the 122 00:07:14,345 --> 00:07:16,985 Speaker 1: back of a box. They know what that product does. 123 00:07:17,185 --> 00:07:19,785 Speaker 1: Possibly you know that probably didn't even read it back 124 00:07:19,825 --> 00:07:22,785 Speaker 1: of the box, I know. So while estrodrome gets most 125 00:07:22,785 --> 00:07:25,425 Speaker 1: of the attention for being great, Yeah, more so for 126 00:07:25,505 --> 00:07:30,505 Speaker 1: the skin, more so than progesterone and testosterone. How do 127 00:07:30,625 --> 00:07:34,945 Speaker 1: all of the hormones influence our skin health with things 128 00:07:34,985 --> 00:07:37,025 Speaker 1: like the stress hormone cortisol. 129 00:07:37,385 --> 00:07:42,585 Speaker 2: So, cortisol is in a group of hormones called androgens 130 00:07:42,945 --> 00:07:49,265 Speaker 2: and which also includes testosterone, and cortisol is the stress hormone. 131 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:53,025 Speaker 2: So it has an effect on our adrenal glands. And 132 00:07:53,865 --> 00:07:57,545 Speaker 2: when that happens, then that also has an effect on 133 00:07:57,985 --> 00:08:02,865 Speaker 2: our well, first our skins immune response, and then second 134 00:08:03,105 --> 00:08:07,265 Speaker 2: again the oil production. So it ramps up the oil production. 135 00:08:07,625 --> 00:08:12,385 Speaker 2: And that's a classic example of when you're stressed, your 136 00:08:12,425 --> 00:08:17,105 Speaker 2: skin can often be breaking out, you know, the worst 137 00:08:17,145 --> 00:08:19,985 Speaker 2: possible times, right when you really don't need it to 138 00:08:20,145 --> 00:08:20,585 Speaker 2: break out. 139 00:08:20,665 --> 00:08:23,065 Speaker 1: My best friend to tour it like it was. It 140 00:08:23,105 --> 00:08:26,745 Speaker 1: was quite funny looking back. She had perfect skin, her 141 00:08:26,865 --> 00:08:30,025 Speaker 1: entire life barely is at a pimple. Her wedding day, 142 00:08:30,065 --> 00:08:32,745 Speaker 1: she woke up with a pimple in between her eyebrows. 143 00:08:33,105 --> 00:08:35,385 Speaker 2: It's like a bride's worst nightmare. 144 00:08:35,665 --> 00:08:37,825 Speaker 1: So I's a karma because she was like, can you 145 00:08:37,905 --> 00:08:39,745 Speaker 1: all make sure that you don't get pimples on the 146 00:08:39,785 --> 00:08:42,025 Speaker 1: wedding date. I was like, well, this is what happens. 147 00:08:42,105 --> 00:08:44,905 Speaker 2: But it is karma, isn't it. It's like they just arrived, 148 00:08:45,505 --> 00:08:47,305 Speaker 2: you know. I call them a little friends and. 149 00:08:48,105 --> 00:08:53,465 Speaker 1: I'm welcome from times two. No one invited them, no one, no, 150 00:08:53,825 --> 00:08:55,465 Speaker 1: So they were not invited to the party. They just 151 00:08:55,505 --> 00:08:56,025 Speaker 1: turned up. 152 00:08:56,345 --> 00:08:58,545 Speaker 2: So that's what cortisol is, you know. And just talking 153 00:08:58,585 --> 00:09:01,385 Speaker 2: skin today, but cortisol has such an impact on every 154 00:09:02,145 --> 00:09:06,545 Speaker 2: part of our ability to deal with stress. But for skin, 155 00:09:06,905 --> 00:09:09,625 Speaker 2: that's how it manifests. 156 00:09:09,305 --> 00:09:12,385 Speaker 1: Sadly, And what are the telltale scigns that any hormone 157 00:09:12,665 --> 00:09:15,225 Speaker 1: is too high, too low and is affecting our skin, 158 00:09:15,305 --> 00:09:18,225 Speaker 1: like obviously it's not just acne. So what sort of 159 00:09:18,265 --> 00:09:19,665 Speaker 1: science should we be looking for. 160 00:09:19,945 --> 00:09:25,065 Speaker 2: There's two things. So estrogen is really the elixir of 161 00:09:25,105 --> 00:09:30,585 Speaker 2: youth in terms of hormones for your skin, because estrogen 162 00:09:30,985 --> 00:09:36,065 Speaker 2: is the one that has a direct relationship with collagen 163 00:09:36,105 --> 00:09:41,105 Speaker 2: production and elasticity. And it really is the one that 164 00:09:41,465 --> 00:09:47,625 Speaker 2: surges mid cycle. So when you're ovulating, when you're ovulating, ladies, 165 00:09:47,665 --> 00:09:51,705 Speaker 2: you look your best really any age, yes, because your 166 00:09:51,745 --> 00:09:56,465 Speaker 2: skin is plumped and you're going to start furma and 167 00:09:56,665 --> 00:10:00,545 Speaker 2: mid cycle mid cycle and also sort of from a 168 00:10:00,985 --> 00:10:04,265 Speaker 2: I don't know, like a caveman point of view or whatever, like, 169 00:10:04,665 --> 00:10:07,145 Speaker 2: because we're trying to attract a mate, right, you know, 170 00:10:07,225 --> 00:10:09,105 Speaker 2: or you want to look your best in semin That 171 00:10:09,185 --> 00:10:12,345 Speaker 2: wed isn't how beautiful a right? So nature is so 172 00:10:12,945 --> 00:10:15,625 Speaker 2: clever in that way. So estrogen is the one that 173 00:10:15,745 --> 00:10:21,385 Speaker 2: will give you that beautiful, plumped, collagen filled skin, hydrated skin. 174 00:10:22,025 --> 00:10:26,305 Speaker 2: That's the one that is really the most important in 175 00:10:26,425 --> 00:10:29,385 Speaker 2: terms of youthful skin. That's the one that we start 176 00:10:29,425 --> 00:10:31,345 Speaker 2: to lose as we get older, which we can talk 177 00:10:31,385 --> 00:10:36,465 Speaker 2: about next. 178 00:10:36,985 --> 00:10:39,425 Speaker 1: Why can't we just inject estrogen into our face? 179 00:10:41,345 --> 00:10:48,145 Speaker 2: It's a hormone, it doesn't Why can't we because we're 180 00:10:48,145 --> 00:10:49,985 Speaker 2: going to die, We're going to go down a whole. 181 00:10:52,625 --> 00:10:57,465 Speaker 2: That's actually you know what, Estrogen face cream is sort 182 00:10:57,505 --> 00:11:01,705 Speaker 2: of a thing, right because if you really think about 183 00:11:01,825 --> 00:11:06,145 Speaker 2: where else women, we're really all getting into some really 184 00:11:06,225 --> 00:11:09,665 Speaker 2: juicy stuff. Here pun the pun, But if you really 185 00:11:09,785 --> 00:11:13,025 Speaker 2: think about where you would put estrogen gel when you're older, 186 00:11:13,505 --> 00:11:19,225 Speaker 2: you aren't quite old enough for this, but perimenopause, menopause down. 187 00:11:19,145 --> 00:11:22,585 Speaker 1: The area that you need to get inseminated. 188 00:11:23,905 --> 00:11:26,185 Speaker 2: You're a little bit dry at times. There might be 189 00:11:26,225 --> 00:11:29,665 Speaker 2: a little bit of an issue there. So estrogen gel, 190 00:11:30,025 --> 00:11:32,825 Speaker 2: imagine what that does, so imagine what it does to 191 00:11:32,865 --> 00:11:37,345 Speaker 2: your faint So same saying, right, plumps, hydrates. 192 00:11:36,825 --> 00:11:39,105 Speaker 1: Hydrates, juices. That was it. 193 00:11:39,545 --> 00:11:41,905 Speaker 2: But to answer your question about can you eject it, 194 00:11:42,225 --> 00:11:45,105 Speaker 2: well no, because it's a receptor, you know. 195 00:11:45,145 --> 00:11:47,665 Speaker 1: It kind of like collagen. You can't just inject it 196 00:11:47,705 --> 00:11:48,545 Speaker 1: straight into your face. 197 00:11:48,585 --> 00:11:51,945 Speaker 2: No. Collagen is one of my pet peeves is when 198 00:11:51,945 --> 00:11:56,385 Speaker 2: I see something that says collagen cream because people always think, oh, collagen, 199 00:11:56,425 --> 00:11:59,905 Speaker 2: I can put that collagen. Yes, it's first of all, 200 00:12:00,425 --> 00:12:03,625 Speaker 2: it's from a cow or it's marine collage or whatever. 201 00:12:03,985 --> 00:12:07,145 Speaker 2: But you can't do that. It can't penetrate your skin 202 00:12:07,345 --> 00:12:09,265 Speaker 2: first of all, it can't get to your dermis, so 203 00:12:09,305 --> 00:12:11,945 Speaker 2: it's not and slow down raging. The best thing you 204 00:12:11,945 --> 00:12:17,705 Speaker 2: can do to increase your collagen is to use active 205 00:12:17,865 --> 00:12:22,265 Speaker 2: ingredients like retinal or vitamin C that stimulate your own collagen. 206 00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:27,025 Speaker 2: Don't ever buy a moisturizer that says collagen moisturizer. It 207 00:12:27,065 --> 00:12:30,185 Speaker 2: will do nothing but sit on your epidermis, and. 208 00:12:30,145 --> 00:12:31,665 Speaker 1: It might do a nice job of doing that. 209 00:12:32,145 --> 00:12:34,265 Speaker 2: So you're probably going to pay a lot of money 210 00:12:34,345 --> 00:12:35,905 Speaker 2: for it to sit there rubbish. 211 00:12:35,945 --> 00:12:39,785 Speaker 1: Yeah, So if we're too low or high in any 212 00:12:39,825 --> 00:12:42,505 Speaker 1: of these hormones before we get into the specific sort 213 00:12:42,545 --> 00:12:45,265 Speaker 1: of stages that we might get into, what can we 214 00:12:45,305 --> 00:12:47,745 Speaker 1: do about it from a skin perspective. 215 00:12:47,465 --> 00:12:52,225 Speaker 2: Right, So there's no real skin issue with estrogen. So 216 00:12:52,305 --> 00:12:53,505 Speaker 2: we've established that. 217 00:12:53,585 --> 00:12:56,385 Speaker 1: If you overproduce it, it's not going to It. 218 00:12:56,345 --> 00:13:01,545 Speaker 2: Can make you more sensitive to the skin and hyperpigmentation. 219 00:13:02,265 --> 00:13:05,185 Speaker 2: That's why you see when women are pregnant sometimes they 220 00:13:05,265 --> 00:13:10,945 Speaker 2: get malasma that is a direct correlation with an increase 221 00:13:10,985 --> 00:13:15,745 Speaker 2: in estrogen. So their skin might be really beautifully clear 222 00:13:15,825 --> 00:13:21,585 Speaker 2: and plumped, but they will have hyperpigmentation issues. That is 223 00:13:21,625 --> 00:13:27,505 Speaker 2: really the only contradictory or contradiction of you know, an 224 00:13:27,745 --> 00:13:31,905 Speaker 2: increase in estrogen for pregnancy and then that lingers you know, 225 00:13:32,065 --> 00:13:37,025 Speaker 2: post pregnancy because that surge of estrogen has been fabulous 226 00:13:37,065 --> 00:13:40,785 Speaker 2: for your pregnancy, but not so fabulous for pigmentation. That's 227 00:13:40,825 --> 00:13:43,865 Speaker 2: an issue that happens to not every pregnant woman, but 228 00:13:44,065 --> 00:13:48,625 Speaker 2: it can. So that's the estrogen part. Progesterone is some 229 00:13:48,665 --> 00:13:52,025 Speaker 2: people are really sensitive to progesterone. I know myself, like 230 00:13:52,545 --> 00:13:57,185 Speaker 2: I've tried progesterone based contraception and I just I couldn't. 231 00:13:57,225 --> 00:13:59,865 Speaker 2: It just didn't feel good. It didn't agree with my skin. 232 00:14:00,425 --> 00:14:05,385 Speaker 2: So pilp, yeah, or they're just different things like the mariner. Yeah, right, 233 00:14:05,505 --> 00:14:08,265 Speaker 2: so but everyone's different. Right, So that's a conversation you 234 00:14:08,305 --> 00:14:11,985 Speaker 2: have with your doctor about what hormone is best for you, 235 00:14:12,065 --> 00:14:14,385 Speaker 2: but also for your skin, because your skin's going to 236 00:14:14,425 --> 00:14:18,745 Speaker 2: show what your sensitivity is to that hormone. But progesterone 237 00:14:19,065 --> 00:14:23,305 Speaker 2: is a great female hormone and it goes side by 238 00:14:23,345 --> 00:14:27,345 Speaker 2: side with estrogen and it's necessary. But if you're sensitive 239 00:14:27,385 --> 00:14:31,385 Speaker 2: to it or too much progesterone, if progesterone is dominant, 240 00:14:31,825 --> 00:14:36,785 Speaker 2: then it can cause excess oil and an overdriver you know, 241 00:14:36,825 --> 00:14:40,665 Speaker 2: that's seven production, and then you will get breakouts. And 242 00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:44,145 Speaker 2: the breakouts are usually they'll go down your neck and 243 00:14:44,185 --> 00:14:46,465 Speaker 2: they're just you know, they're kind of like it really 244 00:14:46,585 --> 00:14:52,305 Speaker 2: is just a surge of oil production with progesterone, amongst 245 00:14:52,345 --> 00:14:54,865 Speaker 2: other things. But for skin. And then you can also 246 00:14:54,945 --> 00:14:58,945 Speaker 2: have you know, too much testosterone. That happens with women 247 00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:03,065 Speaker 2: who get to a low body mass index and they're 248 00:15:03,105 --> 00:15:05,545 Speaker 2: training and they're sort of you know, they're kind of 249 00:15:05,545 --> 00:15:09,345 Speaker 2: becoming sort of you know, leaner, and they get to 250 00:15:09,385 --> 00:15:13,705 Speaker 2: a point where their body is producing more testosterone. That 251 00:15:13,785 --> 00:15:19,745 Speaker 2: can again cause male pattern acne, and that can be 252 00:15:19,785 --> 00:15:24,825 Speaker 2: a problem too. So it really is important to be 253 00:15:24,905 --> 00:15:29,505 Speaker 2: able to recognize what your skin is sensitive to and 254 00:15:29,505 --> 00:15:33,225 Speaker 2: what it's reactive to, and then talk to your doctor 255 00:15:33,305 --> 00:15:39,465 Speaker 2: about balancing your hormones. All hormones are necessary. The key 256 00:15:40,145 --> 00:15:44,265 Speaker 2: thing is to balance them, and that can sometimes be 257 00:15:44,345 --> 00:15:48,185 Speaker 2: a little bit of trial and error with contraception, you know, 258 00:15:48,305 --> 00:15:51,865 Speaker 2: with skincare, with all sorts of things. So you have 259 00:15:51,945 --> 00:15:54,345 Speaker 2: to kind of get your blood work done and then 260 00:15:54,425 --> 00:15:56,065 Speaker 2: see where your hormones are at. 261 00:15:56,345 --> 00:16:05,785 Speaker 1: Yep, okay, So can we get into different things that 262 00:16:05,785 --> 00:16:08,305 Speaker 1: we can do about our skin when we're going through 263 00:16:08,345 --> 00:16:13,385 Speaker 1: different things like nancy perimenopause, menopause which are probably after 264 00:16:13,425 --> 00:16:16,185 Speaker 1: your teenage ye is the biggest peaks, would you say, 265 00:16:16,465 --> 00:16:22,825 Speaker 1: fluctuations in hormones, So pigmentation when you're pregnant. Is there 266 00:16:22,825 --> 00:16:24,865 Speaker 1: anything that you can really do about that or not 267 00:16:25,065 --> 00:16:26,065 Speaker 1: because you're pregnant. 268 00:16:26,225 --> 00:16:29,305 Speaker 2: I'm going to say no, there's nothing. 269 00:16:29,785 --> 00:16:31,825 Speaker 1: I think that people will appreciate that honesty. 270 00:16:31,905 --> 00:16:35,385 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be fooled. Don't go to a laser clinic 271 00:16:35,425 --> 00:16:37,305 Speaker 2: where they say, oh yeah, we can get rid of 272 00:16:37,305 --> 00:16:42,265 Speaker 2: that in successions. Your hormones are ruling your life. When 273 00:16:42,305 --> 00:16:47,065 Speaker 2: you're pregnant, you cannot win. Forget it, like, just use 274 00:16:47,745 --> 00:16:51,145 Speaker 2: really good sun protection, you know, but don't cover it 275 00:16:51,225 --> 00:16:54,265 Speaker 2: up in hope courage, Yeah, and just be patient because 276 00:16:54,785 --> 00:16:57,185 Speaker 2: you know, once your hormones and you've had your back like, 277 00:16:57,585 --> 00:17:03,945 Speaker 2: it will subside. But hyperpigmentation is not something that you 278 00:17:03,985 --> 00:17:09,385 Speaker 2: can permanently get rid of. If you're prone to melasma 279 00:17:09,705 --> 00:17:13,825 Speaker 2: when you get pregnant, that means that you're probably you know, 280 00:17:13,905 --> 00:17:18,305 Speaker 2: your estrogen's pretty good, so you're kind of enjoying looking 281 00:17:18,385 --> 00:17:22,425 Speaker 2: quite young, but you've got the malasma. Then really it's 282 00:17:22,465 --> 00:17:25,665 Speaker 2: an uphill battle. There's no point when you're pregnant to 283 00:17:25,745 --> 00:17:29,105 Speaker 2: trying to get rid of malasma. And then after your 284 00:17:29,145 --> 00:17:32,345 Speaker 2: pregnancy you have to wait till your hormones are balanced 285 00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:35,305 Speaker 2: out again, and then you can certainly look at things 286 00:17:35,345 --> 00:17:42,345 Speaker 2: to control and inhibit and manage your pigmentation. Because here's 287 00:17:42,345 --> 00:17:45,265 Speaker 2: an interesting thing about pigmentation. I know I'm kind of 288 00:17:45,265 --> 00:17:47,585 Speaker 2: going off the subject a bit, but it's really important 289 00:17:47,585 --> 00:17:50,505 Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people tend to get 290 00:17:50,585 --> 00:17:53,545 Speaker 2: conned by the idea of can you get rid of 291 00:17:53,545 --> 00:17:57,025 Speaker 2: my pigmentation. Oh yes, you know that's five thousand dollars. 292 00:17:57,305 --> 00:18:01,305 Speaker 2: You know, no, because it'll come back. And here's why 293 00:18:01,345 --> 00:18:06,505 Speaker 2: it comes back, because melanin is a really smart thing 294 00:18:06,545 --> 00:18:09,105 Speaker 2: in your body. It knows it has a job, and 295 00:18:09,145 --> 00:18:14,545 Speaker 2: its job is to protect. When it sensors trauma, which 296 00:18:14,585 --> 00:18:19,065 Speaker 2: can be UV hormones, you know, stress, it goes, Oh 297 00:18:19,105 --> 00:18:21,625 Speaker 2: I better get on up there and protect. So it 298 00:18:21,705 --> 00:18:24,385 Speaker 2: comes up to protect. You know, it kind of gets 299 00:18:24,425 --> 00:18:27,665 Speaker 2: its wires crossed with hyper pigmentation, and there can be 300 00:18:27,745 --> 00:18:31,105 Speaker 2: issues you know later on life's age spots and whatnot. 301 00:18:31,425 --> 00:18:35,305 Speaker 2: It will come and go. So any time it perceives 302 00:18:35,945 --> 00:18:39,385 Speaker 2: that it's needed, it's going to come back. How in 303 00:18:39,425 --> 00:18:42,265 Speaker 2: the hell do you stop that? You can't. So you 304 00:18:42,305 --> 00:18:46,585 Speaker 2: can temporarily burn it off, which is really painful, painful 305 00:18:46,625 --> 00:18:50,145 Speaker 2: and you know ultimately is damaging to your barrier. So 306 00:18:50,265 --> 00:18:53,345 Speaker 2: that's another thing we never used to talk about. Or 307 00:18:53,465 --> 00:18:57,305 Speaker 2: you can know that you can control, inhibit and manage 308 00:18:57,425 --> 00:19:00,825 Speaker 2: to the best, and obviously sunscreen and some protection is 309 00:19:01,065 --> 00:19:05,545 Speaker 2: key in that. But don't get hung up on it. 310 00:19:05,265 --> 00:19:09,705 Speaker 1: You know, it's also just pigmentation. I can steel. But 311 00:19:09,785 --> 00:19:13,225 Speaker 1: also who has so moving on, you've worked on the 312 00:19:13,265 --> 00:19:18,025 Speaker 1: faces of huge celebrities. Who were you the most excited 313 00:19:18,025 --> 00:19:18,345 Speaker 1: to meet? 314 00:19:18,545 --> 00:19:20,185 Speaker 2: Oh, my beautiful girl, Melsey. 315 00:19:20,705 --> 00:19:22,465 Speaker 1: Oh, she's got beautiful skin too. 316 00:19:22,905 --> 00:19:25,025 Speaker 2: She's the most adorable human being. 317 00:19:25,025 --> 00:19:27,025 Speaker 1: You're responsible for that skin, You've done it. 318 00:19:27,225 --> 00:19:30,585 Speaker 2: I'll take responsibility. I'll take it. I'll take it skin. 319 00:19:30,785 --> 00:19:33,825 Speaker 2: She is just the cutest person on earth. And she 320 00:19:34,025 --> 00:19:36,345 Speaker 2: was out here recently doing the voice and we've become 321 00:19:36,745 --> 00:19:40,705 Speaker 2: really good friends because we're both girls in our fifties 322 00:19:41,185 --> 00:19:44,185 Speaker 2: and she's like, you just bond with her immediately because 323 00:19:44,185 --> 00:19:46,785 Speaker 2: she's so down to earth. She meet people and it's 324 00:19:46,865 --> 00:19:49,065 Speaker 2: just like and she was just like you would never 325 00:19:49,625 --> 00:19:51,865 Speaker 2: believe she's had the level of fame that she's had. 326 00:19:52,065 --> 00:19:54,065 Speaker 1: She's just so nice to hear. 327 00:19:54,265 --> 00:19:55,305 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love her. 328 00:19:55,905 --> 00:19:58,505 Speaker 1: And if you had to pick one celeb who would 329 00:19:58,505 --> 00:20:01,505 Speaker 1: you say has the most beautiful skin in real life? 330 00:20:01,865 --> 00:20:04,865 Speaker 2: They all do. All my clients, by the way, not 331 00:20:04,945 --> 00:20:08,345 Speaker 2: just celebrity clients. I love all my clients equally. Honest. 332 00:20:08,745 --> 00:20:10,825 Speaker 1: That blew you away a little bit, Like, WHOA, I 333 00:20:10,865 --> 00:20:13,265 Speaker 1: can't believe that is real life skin type thing. 334 00:20:13,745 --> 00:20:16,705 Speaker 2: Jackie is looking amazing? She does. 335 00:20:16,905 --> 00:20:19,945 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got great skin. Yeah, we need to get 336 00:20:19,985 --> 00:20:22,465 Speaker 1: her on actually and find out what her skincare regime is. 337 00:20:22,465 --> 00:20:26,185 Speaker 2: Well, you're talking to her therapist, okay, Well. 338 00:20:26,025 --> 00:20:29,185 Speaker 1: We need to get a list from you because she's 339 00:20:29,225 --> 00:20:30,265 Speaker 1: in her fifties now too. 340 00:20:30,185 --> 00:20:32,785 Speaker 2: Isn't she? So her and jamm come and see me, 341 00:20:33,185 --> 00:20:34,505 Speaker 2: and she's again lovely. 342 00:20:34,945 --> 00:20:37,985 Speaker 1: So what are two things aside from sunscreen that you 343 00:20:38,065 --> 00:20:40,825 Speaker 1: think someone with aging skin should be using. 344 00:20:41,385 --> 00:20:44,825 Speaker 2: Retinal is hands down, we all kind of know that now, right, 345 00:20:46,025 --> 00:20:49,665 Speaker 2: followed closely with vitamin C. I will say that herolinic 346 00:20:49,705 --> 00:20:54,545 Speaker 2: acid is really important for retaining hydration in your skin. 347 00:20:54,985 --> 00:20:58,065 Speaker 2: Herolinic acid is not inactive. It doesn't go down to 348 00:20:58,065 --> 00:21:01,385 Speaker 2: your dermis. It sits in your epidermis and it helps 349 00:21:01,425 --> 00:21:04,825 Speaker 2: your skin to hold water. And we produce it naturally, 350 00:21:04,905 --> 00:21:08,985 Speaker 2: but we need to replace it because our production declines 351 00:21:08,985 --> 00:21:11,865 Speaker 2: as we get older. So, particularly this time of year 352 00:21:12,065 --> 00:21:14,985 Speaker 2: when you're doing you know the skin is dry because 353 00:21:15,065 --> 00:21:18,225 Speaker 2: the temperatures have dropped and the air is dry, then 354 00:21:18,265 --> 00:21:21,145 Speaker 2: you need to up your chyrolonic acid. 355 00:21:21,585 --> 00:21:25,385 Speaker 1: On the flip side, what is the one skincare trend 356 00:21:25,585 --> 00:21:28,505 Speaker 1: or ingredient that you just see people talking about and 357 00:21:28,545 --> 00:21:31,225 Speaker 1: you think, oh my goodness, you just wouldn't recommend it. 358 00:21:31,905 --> 00:21:36,465 Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of anything that has a 359 00:21:36,625 --> 00:21:40,985 Speaker 2: temporary kind of effect. The Korean masks, you know, the 360 00:21:41,705 --> 00:21:43,905 Speaker 2: jelly masks, and you know anything that's sort of a 361 00:21:44,105 --> 00:21:45,145 Speaker 2: hype thing like that. 362 00:21:45,425 --> 00:21:46,225 Speaker 1: It's a gimmicky. 363 00:21:46,345 --> 00:21:47,265 Speaker 2: It's a gimmicky thing. 364 00:21:47,385 --> 00:21:50,345 Speaker 1: Yeah, completely agree, And thank you so much for sharing 365 00:21:50,385 --> 00:21:52,945 Speaker 1: all of your expertise with us today. We have really 366 00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:55,305 Speaker 1: gone on a couple of wild tangents and I'm fay 367 00:21:55,385 --> 00:21:57,385 Speaker 1: for it. No, I love it. And if you want 368 00:21:57,385 --> 00:22:01,425 Speaker 1: any more information, they can find Ingrid on Instagram. We'll 369 00:22:01,425 --> 00:22:05,225 Speaker 1: make sure that we pop a link in our show notes. Well, 370 00:22:05,265 --> 00:22:07,505 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to this episode of 371 00:22:07,545 --> 00:22:10,225 Speaker 1: Your Beauty. I hope you found it as wildly interesting 372 00:22:10,305 --> 00:22:12,705 Speaker 1: as I did. We actually all did, everyone sitting in 373 00:22:12,745 --> 00:22:16,105 Speaker 1: this room with me right now. We just loved that chat. 374 00:22:16,145 --> 00:22:17,985 Speaker 1: We want to get Ingrid back on for part two 375 00:22:18,025 --> 00:22:20,385 Speaker 1: because I don't know about everyone listening at home, but 376 00:22:20,585 --> 00:22:23,025 Speaker 1: I really want to know exactly what she uses on 377 00:22:23,065 --> 00:22:26,185 Speaker 1: her skin. If you enjoyed this episode, please check out 378 00:22:26,185 --> 00:22:28,825 Speaker 1: our Instagram at You Beauty Podcast and have a look 379 00:22:28,865 --> 00:22:31,505 Speaker 1: at our YouTube channel. 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