1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,664 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,704 --> 00:00:30,424 Speaker 1: to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick. 6 00:00:30,024 --> 00:00:31,864 Speaker 2: And I'm Sanye Lukitch, and. 7 00:00:31,824 --> 00:00:34,184 Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about a new documentary 8 00:00:34,184 --> 00:00:36,824 Speaker 1: about Kim Kardashian and Kanye West that is about to 9 00:00:36,824 --> 00:00:40,464 Speaker 1: be released without Kim Kardashian's consent. We're going to get 10 00:00:40,464 --> 00:00:43,264 Speaker 1: into that. It's very juicy and very upsetting. Actually that's 11 00:00:43,264 --> 00:00:43,864 Speaker 1: probably the better. 12 00:00:44,064 --> 00:00:46,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I've got my card up pillows. 13 00:00:46,384 --> 00:00:48,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on tight to that. As we dive into this, 14 00:00:49,264 --> 00:00:51,064 Speaker 1: we're also going to be talking about two of the 15 00:00:51,104 --> 00:00:53,544 Speaker 1: biggest pop stars in the world having a bit of 16 00:00:53,544 --> 00:00:55,944 Speaker 1: a war of words that started with song lyrics and 17 00:00:55,984 --> 00:00:59,384 Speaker 1: now has escalated to just full blown Instagram posts about 18 00:00:59,384 --> 00:00:59,744 Speaker 1: each other. 19 00:00:59,944 --> 00:01:02,264 Speaker 2: I know, and I'm going to need like a Laura 20 00:01:02,904 --> 00:01:06,224 Speaker 2: history lesson on this because I am straight up confused. 21 00:01:06,584 --> 00:01:08,384 Speaker 1: It's coming. My whole life has been building up to 22 00:01:08,384 --> 00:01:08,744 Speaker 1: the moment. 23 00:01:08,784 --> 00:01:11,224 Speaker 2: Straight up confused. But first we've got a little bit 24 00:01:11,224 --> 00:01:14,984 Speaker 2: of an update on the Australian Survivor drama. Now, as 25 00:01:15,024 --> 00:01:18,544 Speaker 2: we reported a couple of weeks ago, Jonathan Lapalia was 26 00:01:19,104 --> 00:01:23,544 Speaker 2: unceremoniously let go from Survivor Australia. He made it very 27 00:01:23,544 --> 00:01:26,664 Speaker 2: clear that he was not involved in the decision. It 28 00:01:26,704 --> 00:01:29,864 Speaker 2: was a real shock to him and fans were really upset, 29 00:01:29,864 --> 00:01:32,624 Speaker 2: including a lot of people in our office here at 30 00:01:32,624 --> 00:01:36,384 Speaker 2: Mamma Maya. It really shook people up. He is a 31 00:01:36,744 --> 00:01:41,864 Speaker 2: really really beloved presenter and kind of became so synonymous 32 00:01:41,904 --> 00:01:46,144 Speaker 2: with Survivor Australia that people were just like in shock. 33 00:01:46,504 --> 00:01:50,184 Speaker 2: We've have his replacement. It has been announced that former 34 00:01:50,384 --> 00:01:56,744 Speaker 2: Survivor Australia contestant David Gennett is now replacing him as host. 35 00:01:56,904 --> 00:02:00,984 Speaker 2: Now I am not a Survivor enthusiast, so I had 36 00:02:00,984 --> 00:02:03,664 Speaker 2: to do a little bit of like reading. So he 37 00:02:04,224 --> 00:02:07,784 Speaker 2: was on Australian Survivor, which was Champions versus Contenders in 38 00:02:07,824 --> 00:02:10,864 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, didn't win that. Then he went on All 39 00:02:10,904 --> 00:02:14,504 Speaker 2: Stars a year later and he actually won that. Fans 40 00:02:14,504 --> 00:02:17,184 Speaker 2: of him have called him the Golden God, which I 41 00:02:17,224 --> 00:02:19,064 Speaker 2: believe is in response to his. 42 00:02:19,384 --> 00:02:22,304 Speaker 1: He's really really hot. Yeah, I think it's really hot. 43 00:02:22,384 --> 00:02:23,784 Speaker 1: The clinical term to describe it. 44 00:02:23,864 --> 00:02:25,864 Speaker 2: You know, that was my first reaction when I saw him, 45 00:02:25,864 --> 00:02:28,064 Speaker 2: and I was like, those are some very nice arms. 46 00:02:28,544 --> 00:02:32,464 Speaker 2: And then earlier this year, he also won a whopping 47 00:02:32,584 --> 00:02:35,784 Speaker 2: nine point one seven million dollars on the US series 48 00:02:35,824 --> 00:02:39,264 Speaker 2: of Deal or No Deal Island, which is hosted by 49 00:02:39,304 --> 00:02:41,704 Speaker 2: Joe Manganello and Chrissy Teagem. 50 00:02:41,984 --> 00:02:44,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, that is so impressive because to this 51 00:02:44,544 --> 00:02:46,144 Speaker 1: day I could not tell you how Deal or No 52 00:02:46,224 --> 00:02:48,224 Speaker 1: Deal works. I see it on TV. I see people 53 00:02:48,224 --> 00:02:50,784 Speaker 1: opening suitcases, I see people yelling deal and nodeal that 54 00:02:50,824 --> 00:02:53,144 Speaker 1: show makes zero sense. So this man's a lot smarter 55 00:02:53,184 --> 00:02:54,024 Speaker 1: than I gave him credit for. 56 00:02:54,104 --> 00:02:55,904 Speaker 2: And it's also set on an island, and I think 57 00:02:55,944 --> 00:02:58,704 Speaker 2: there's more like tactics involved in it because we don't 58 00:02:58,744 --> 00:03:01,584 Speaker 2: have that offshoot. I've never seen that particular show. But 59 00:03:01,624 --> 00:03:04,064 Speaker 2: he won a ton of money, and that was earlier 60 00:03:04,104 --> 00:03:08,824 Speaker 2: this year. The feedback has been generally pretty positive on 61 00:03:08,864 --> 00:03:11,864 Speaker 2: his Instagram posts, as you would expect because those are 62 00:03:11,904 --> 00:03:13,584 Speaker 2: the people that follow him. But I think a lot 63 00:03:13,584 --> 00:03:17,704 Speaker 2: of people are really disappointed. But Joe Manganello actually put 64 00:03:17,704 --> 00:03:19,184 Speaker 2: a comment I feel. 65 00:03:18,904 --> 00:03:21,584 Speaker 1: Like, poor dear Joe isn't across the whole drama behind 66 00:03:21,624 --> 00:03:23,584 Speaker 1: the scenes, or he maybe wouldn't have thrown his hat 67 00:03:23,584 --> 00:03:24,984 Speaker 1: into the ring and made it look like he was 68 00:03:25,024 --> 00:03:28,344 Speaker 1: picking aside. Because when Jonathan got let go from the show, 69 00:03:28,384 --> 00:03:30,264 Speaker 1: which he came out and said he was let go, 70 00:03:30,664 --> 00:03:33,064 Speaker 1: there was this huge uproar from like the really die 71 00:03:33,104 --> 00:03:35,144 Speaker 1: hard fans that he was the heart and soul of 72 00:03:35,144 --> 00:03:37,944 Speaker 1: that show and was so disrespectful to him. And then 73 00:03:38,064 --> 00:03:41,184 Speaker 1: also people started speculating that that he had been like 74 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:44,184 Speaker 1: go or pushed out to make way for David as 75 00:03:44,184 --> 00:03:48,144 Speaker 1: the kind of more exciting, saucier choice of a host 76 00:03:48,304 --> 00:03:50,264 Speaker 1: to kind of shake things up. And I think the 77 00:03:50,344 --> 00:03:52,824 Speaker 1: thinking behind that from the network, if that is true, 78 00:03:52,904 --> 00:03:55,704 Speaker 1: is that they're hoping that the die hard Survivor fans 79 00:03:55,744 --> 00:03:57,624 Speaker 1: will just stay with the show because they love it, 80 00:03:57,624 --> 00:03:59,184 Speaker 1: and like, once you're in the Survivor, you're kind of 81 00:03:59,184 --> 00:04:01,104 Speaker 1: in it for life, is what I'm picking up from people. 82 00:04:01,384 --> 00:04:03,664 Speaker 1: And that David because he's a bit of a controversial 83 00:04:03,664 --> 00:04:06,064 Speaker 1: figure who was also very smart, Like we actually had 84 00:04:06,144 --> 00:04:07,824 Speaker 1: him on this pod when he was like in the 85 00:04:07,864 --> 00:04:10,504 Speaker 1: height of his all stars villain of the show, but 86 00:04:10,624 --> 00:04:13,424 Speaker 1: very beloved, and he came on the spill and was saying, yeah, 87 00:04:13,424 --> 00:04:14,824 Speaker 1: I did this to mess things up, or I did 88 00:04:14,864 --> 00:04:17,024 Speaker 1: this to create drama, or I did this to get 89 00:04:17,064 --> 00:04:19,344 Speaker 1: people off side. And you can kind of see that 90 00:04:19,384 --> 00:04:21,264 Speaker 1: he's someone who's not just there to play the game, 91 00:04:21,304 --> 00:04:22,624 Speaker 1: but also to put on a show. 92 00:04:22,984 --> 00:04:23,664 Speaker 2: Is he charming? 93 00:04:24,024 --> 00:04:25,304 Speaker 1: Yes? No? So charming? 94 00:04:25,704 --> 00:04:25,864 Speaker 2: Yeah? 95 00:04:26,184 --> 00:04:29,064 Speaker 1: So handsome and also very ruggedly tall, which made me 96 00:04:29,064 --> 00:04:31,704 Speaker 1: feel very petite. So maybe I'm also on David's side. 97 00:04:31,704 --> 00:04:32,064 Speaker 1: I don't know. 98 00:04:32,184 --> 00:04:34,184 Speaker 2: I was watching a couple of clips of him, and 99 00:04:34,664 --> 00:04:37,224 Speaker 2: I would be so bad on a show like Survivor. 100 00:04:37,304 --> 00:04:41,744 Speaker 2: I have zero malicious or like cunning in me. I'm 101 00:04:41,944 --> 00:04:45,024 Speaker 2: such an honest person. I feel like I'd be the 102 00:04:45,104 --> 00:04:46,104 Speaker 2: biggest failure. 103 00:04:46,264 --> 00:04:48,424 Speaker 1: They would just keep you around for a while because 104 00:04:48,504 --> 00:04:50,784 Speaker 1: you have to vote off the most threatening people first, 105 00:04:50,864 --> 00:04:52,184 Speaker 1: and then I feel like you'd get to the top 106 00:04:52,224 --> 00:04:53,304 Speaker 1: three and then they'd signlight. 107 00:04:53,744 --> 00:04:55,664 Speaker 2: I know they'd be like, this girl is weak. We're 108 00:04:55,704 --> 00:04:56,904 Speaker 2: getting rid of a no. No. 109 00:04:57,024 --> 00:04:58,504 Speaker 1: You want to keep a few weak people around so 110 00:04:58,544 --> 00:05:01,224 Speaker 1: they vote on your side, and so you kind of 111 00:05:01,984 --> 00:05:04,304 Speaker 1: and then you push them. Yeah, I mean, look, those 112 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:05,704 Speaker 1: people are important for the show as well. 113 00:05:05,784 --> 00:05:08,544 Speaker 2: It's okay, I'm okay with that. One of my set 114 00:05:08,584 --> 00:05:11,624 Speaker 2: of speculations on it is that Jonathan Lapalia was probably 115 00:05:11,664 --> 00:05:14,624 Speaker 2: getting far too expensive. And I mentioned this and earlier 116 00:05:14,664 --> 00:05:17,504 Speaker 2: on we know the Channel ten is cutting back costs 117 00:05:17,704 --> 00:05:20,784 Speaker 2: free too wear is suffering. That would be my speculation. 118 00:05:21,384 --> 00:05:24,624 Speaker 2: Some of the other feedback that I've been seeing across 119 00:05:25,024 --> 00:05:28,424 Speaker 2: the internet from fans is their concern about him being 120 00:05:28,504 --> 00:05:31,784 Speaker 2: a host, is that because he's so used to being 121 00:05:32,024 --> 00:05:35,104 Speaker 2: the spotlight, how is he going to take being a 122 00:05:35,184 --> 00:05:39,144 Speaker 2: host because our host's role is to guide the game 123 00:05:39,264 --> 00:05:42,504 Speaker 2: rather than being the center of attention. And I thought 124 00:05:42,584 --> 00:05:45,984 Speaker 2: that was like a really interesting point, And like, as 125 00:05:45,984 --> 00:05:49,704 Speaker 2: someone who's interviewed him, do you feel like that might 126 00:05:49,824 --> 00:05:50,864 Speaker 2: be an issue? 127 00:05:51,064 --> 00:05:53,184 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I do think he's someone who's used 128 00:05:53,224 --> 00:05:55,104 Speaker 1: to being a bit of a star and causing drama. 129 00:05:55,304 --> 00:05:57,624 Speaker 1: But maybe that's what they want for the seasons, Like 130 00:05:57,864 --> 00:05:59,664 Speaker 1: maybe they want a host who's going to call out 131 00:05:59,704 --> 00:06:02,544 Speaker 1: contestants a bit more and stir them up and give 132 00:06:02,624 --> 00:06:05,104 Speaker 1: some kind of spicy takes to camera that's not usually 133 00:06:05,144 --> 00:06:07,384 Speaker 1: the role of the survivor host to be like a 134 00:06:07,384 --> 00:06:09,304 Speaker 1: big character. There are a character in terms of like 135 00:06:09,504 --> 00:06:11,584 Speaker 1: they kind of steer the shit, but that it usually 136 00:06:11,624 --> 00:06:14,304 Speaker 1: picks sizes. But maybe that's part of the stirrup. I'm 137 00:06:14,304 --> 00:06:16,784 Speaker 1: sure like diehards by the hand fans will have kind 138 00:06:16,784 --> 00:06:18,504 Speaker 1: of a different thought on that, but it does feel 139 00:06:18,544 --> 00:06:21,184 Speaker 1: like a bit of stunt casting. It's so weird when 140 00:06:21,224 --> 00:06:23,704 Speaker 1: like a wild room on the internet comes true. Like 141 00:06:23,744 --> 00:06:26,184 Speaker 1: when I saw his posting, I felt not the same 142 00:06:26,224 --> 00:06:28,744 Speaker 1: way because this other one was shuttering. But like when 143 00:06:28,744 --> 00:06:30,504 Speaker 1: everyone was being like, oh my god, Lea Michelle is 144 00:06:30,504 --> 00:06:33,064 Speaker 1: going to replace Beanie Feldstein in Funny Girl and then 145 00:06:33,064 --> 00:06:35,464 Speaker 1: it happened, it's like, sometimes the corners of the Internet 146 00:06:35,624 --> 00:06:37,424 Speaker 1: are true, and that's a terrifying thought. 147 00:06:37,664 --> 00:06:39,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of when it started going deep in 148 00:06:40,064 --> 00:06:42,304 Speaker 2: Reddit and it was just like a lot of people 149 00:06:42,624 --> 00:06:45,504 Speaker 2: not quite convinced. But I mean, look, we've got to 150 00:06:45,504 --> 00:06:45,984 Speaker 2: give him a. 151 00:06:45,904 --> 00:06:48,264 Speaker 1: Shot, and I'm sure people will be tuning in to 152 00:06:48,304 --> 00:06:49,344 Speaker 1: see how he goes, and I'm. 153 00:06:49,344 --> 00:06:52,824 Speaker 2: That and maybe they will haywatch him just for the 154 00:06:52,864 --> 00:06:55,304 Speaker 2: sake of it. But anyway, he's done very well. He's 155 00:06:55,344 --> 00:06:58,984 Speaker 2: clearly very very cunning. He's won a ton of money 156 00:06:58,984 --> 00:07:01,704 Speaker 2: in the last couple of years. So maybe you know, 157 00:07:01,824 --> 00:07:04,144 Speaker 2: Channel ten and offered him like twenty grand or something 158 00:07:04,144 --> 00:07:05,984 Speaker 2: to die the thing, and he was like, oh, I. 159 00:07:05,944 --> 00:07:07,664 Speaker 1: Don't really need the money in this economy, You've just 160 00:07:07,704 --> 00:07:08,224 Speaker 1: got to do that. 161 00:07:10,424 --> 00:07:12,984 Speaker 2: So there's a new Kangne West documentary about to be 162 00:07:13,024 --> 00:07:17,704 Speaker 2: released called in Whose Name by Nico Balisteros, and it 163 00:07:17,864 --> 00:07:20,504 Speaker 2: is kind of a bit of an unfiltered dive into 164 00:07:20,544 --> 00:07:24,464 Speaker 2: his life and we see a lot of his breakdown 165 00:07:24,664 --> 00:07:27,424 Speaker 2: with Kim Kardashian. And the trailer has been released. It's 166 00:07:27,424 --> 00:07:31,704 Speaker 2: about a minute long and there's some pretty crazy revelations 167 00:07:31,744 --> 00:07:35,024 Speaker 2: in it. I'm off my maage for five months down. 168 00:07:35,384 --> 00:07:38,424 Speaker 2: Your personality is not like this a few years ago. 169 00:07:38,544 --> 00:07:41,664 Speaker 2: This is a calling by the universe. Never kill me. 170 00:07:41,784 --> 00:07:43,784 Speaker 2: I'm gonna wake up one day and have nothing. We 171 00:07:43,824 --> 00:07:45,824 Speaker 2: could talk about that later, but it ain't no. 172 00:07:45,984 --> 00:07:49,784 Speaker 1: But the best thing about being an artist in bipolar 173 00:07:50,024 --> 00:07:52,224 Speaker 1: anything you do and say it's an art piece. 174 00:07:53,224 --> 00:07:56,104 Speaker 2: When I first saw this headline about this, Stocco was like, 175 00:07:56,304 --> 00:07:58,744 Speaker 2: how is this different to Genius, which is the Netflix 176 00:07:59,104 --> 00:08:01,544 Speaker 2: three part series that came out a couple of years ago. 177 00:08:02,024 --> 00:08:04,264 Speaker 2: But from watching the trailer and reading a little bit 178 00:08:04,264 --> 00:08:06,664 Speaker 2: more about it, it seems to be a lot more unfiltered, 179 00:08:06,824 --> 00:08:11,144 Speaker 2: a lot more raw, and a lot more about his 180 00:08:11,984 --> 00:08:16,264 Speaker 2: bipolar and his mental health. And he's sort of going 181 00:08:16,304 --> 00:08:18,504 Speaker 2: on and off his medications. 182 00:08:18,704 --> 00:08:21,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's really interesting is that this is a huge 183 00:08:21,024 --> 00:08:24,784 Speaker 1: amount of unfiltered footage from behind the scenes of Kanye's life, 184 00:08:24,784 --> 00:08:27,464 Speaker 1: but also because it was during his marriage to Kim Kardashian, 185 00:08:27,864 --> 00:08:30,304 Speaker 1: their private life in a way we haven't seen before, 186 00:08:30,464 --> 00:08:32,824 Speaker 1: and that's because of who has captured the footage. So 187 00:08:33,064 --> 00:08:36,344 Speaker 1: the filmmaker Nico never really set out to, I guess, 188 00:08:36,384 --> 00:08:39,904 Speaker 1: make this particular documentary film. He was brought in by 189 00:08:39,984 --> 00:08:44,304 Speaker 1: Kanye West as an eighteen year old and was filming 190 00:08:44,344 --> 00:08:46,984 Speaker 1: for over six years, just always like on tour in 191 00:08:47,024 --> 00:08:49,784 Speaker 1: the background in the house of Kim and Kanye, filming 192 00:08:49,864 --> 00:08:53,104 Speaker 1: and collecting footage, thousands of hours of footage which has 193 00:08:53,144 --> 00:08:57,184 Speaker 1: now been filtered down into this documentary and it's kind 194 00:08:57,184 --> 00:08:59,304 Speaker 1: of giving people, in a way what they've always wanted, 195 00:08:59,344 --> 00:09:03,624 Speaker 1: which is a really insider look at Kanye West, the 196 00:09:03,744 --> 00:09:07,584 Speaker 1: lead up to his huge rise, this huge publicized marriage 197 00:09:07,584 --> 00:09:11,264 Speaker 1: between him and Kim, and then that very very public downfall, 198 00:09:11,304 --> 00:09:13,024 Speaker 1: which I guess we did see a lot of because 199 00:09:13,424 --> 00:09:16,544 Speaker 1: at that time he was posting so much content and 200 00:09:16,544 --> 00:09:19,864 Speaker 1: then Kim Kardashian was posting responses explaining what had happened 201 00:09:19,904 --> 00:09:22,504 Speaker 1: on her side and begging people to leave him alone. 202 00:09:22,904 --> 00:09:26,424 Speaker 1: Pete Davidson was sharing remember that time, was sharing text 203 00:09:26,464 --> 00:09:28,864 Speaker 1: messages between him and Karnee West because he and Kim 204 00:09:28,864 --> 00:09:31,424 Speaker 1: were dating at the time. Other people were getting involved 205 00:09:31,424 --> 00:09:34,184 Speaker 1: in sharing things, and even though it was very public, 206 00:09:34,224 --> 00:09:36,584 Speaker 1: we didn't really see behind the lens in the way 207 00:09:36,624 --> 00:09:39,344 Speaker 1: we're going to see with this movie. But the uncomfortable 208 00:09:39,344 --> 00:09:41,984 Speaker 1: thing I thought while watching it, I couldn't find anywhere 209 00:09:42,024 --> 00:09:44,504 Speaker 1: of Kim Kardashian has officially signed off on it. But 210 00:09:45,064 --> 00:09:47,744 Speaker 1: it did, I think, put her in a very vulnerable 211 00:09:47,784 --> 00:09:50,824 Speaker 1: place that she has not allowed herself to be when 212 00:09:50,904 --> 00:09:53,904 Speaker 1: this part of her life was playing out on the Kardashians. 213 00:09:54,144 --> 00:09:57,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the thing with the Kardashians, particularly 214 00:09:57,464 --> 00:10:00,104 Speaker 2: in these later seasons, is that it has become very, 215 00:10:00,184 --> 00:10:03,704 Speaker 2: very polished. It is one hundred percent their narrative because 216 00:10:03,744 --> 00:10:06,704 Speaker 2: they are they producers on the show. Again, we looked 217 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:10,264 Speaker 2: into this, It doesn't look like Kanye is officially affiliated 218 00:10:10,464 --> 00:10:14,784 Speaker 2: with the production of it. However, having dealt with the 219 00:10:14,864 --> 00:10:17,664 Speaker 2: Kardashians before, I know that anytime you deal with them, 220 00:10:17,704 --> 00:10:21,384 Speaker 2: you have to sign non disclosure agreements. So I'm curious 221 00:10:21,424 --> 00:10:25,104 Speaker 2: as to why Niko didn't have to or he did 222 00:10:25,184 --> 00:10:28,344 Speaker 2: and has been given permission to show this footage. So 223 00:10:28,424 --> 00:10:31,584 Speaker 2: that's my only thing of thinking that Kim is aware 224 00:10:31,664 --> 00:10:34,384 Speaker 2: of what is going to be released. Is that every 225 00:10:34,464 --> 00:10:37,184 Speaker 2: single person that has come into contact with the Kardashian 226 00:10:37,504 --> 00:10:39,784 Speaker 2: has to sign a non disclosure agreement. I had to 227 00:10:39,784 --> 00:10:42,624 Speaker 2: sign one when I hosted an event with them. They 228 00:10:42,664 --> 00:10:43,464 Speaker 2: are on it. 229 00:10:44,424 --> 00:10:46,664 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they have to control their image in such 230 00:10:46,704 --> 00:10:49,624 Speaker 1: a strict way. That's why they don't really do big 231 00:10:49,664 --> 00:10:53,144 Speaker 1: sit down interviews outside of the ones that they're producing themselves, 232 00:10:53,544 --> 00:10:56,344 Speaker 1: and so much stuff is not filmed for their show, 233 00:10:56,784 --> 00:10:59,024 Speaker 1: and it's hard to because, obviously, I think beause Kim 234 00:10:59,064 --> 00:11:01,464 Speaker 1: Kardashian wants to control the narrative, but I think also 235 00:11:01,504 --> 00:11:03,984 Speaker 1: the fact they've got four kids together. When the whole 236 00:11:04,064 --> 00:11:06,864 Speaker 1: kandair where stuff was really blowing up publicly, the only 237 00:11:06,904 --> 00:11:09,344 Speaker 1: time we ever saw it referenced on the show is 238 00:11:09,424 --> 00:11:12,224 Speaker 1: her apologize to her family for what she had put 239 00:11:12,264 --> 00:11:15,264 Speaker 1: them through with Kanne, but never going into specifics, her 240 00:11:15,544 --> 00:11:18,624 Speaker 1: like breaking down in tears, but again never going into specifics, 241 00:11:18,624 --> 00:11:20,824 Speaker 1: and even saying like I'll never say what truly happened 242 00:11:20,864 --> 00:11:23,544 Speaker 1: because I don't want our kids to see that play 243 00:11:23,544 --> 00:11:25,344 Speaker 1: out in the media. The only thing I can think 244 00:11:25,424 --> 00:11:28,184 Speaker 1: is that Nico probably had a bit of a blanket 245 00:11:28,704 --> 00:11:30,944 Speaker 1: okay to be filming because he was meant to be 246 00:11:30,984 --> 00:11:36,344 Speaker 1: filming Kanye's creative process and life, and so potentially just 247 00:11:36,464 --> 00:11:39,304 Speaker 1: a lot of extra footage was captured because he was 248 00:11:39,584 --> 00:11:42,944 Speaker 1: there when the breakdown was happening. And it also seems 249 00:11:42,944 --> 00:11:46,024 Speaker 1: like Kanye wants a lot of this content out, whether 250 00:11:46,064 --> 00:11:48,224 Speaker 1: he's an official producer or not, because it's footage of 251 00:11:48,304 --> 00:11:52,064 Speaker 1: him saying things around, like his side of his bipolar 252 00:11:52,104 --> 00:11:54,104 Speaker 1: diagnosis and the content he wants to put out in 253 00:11:54,144 --> 00:11:56,104 Speaker 1: the art he wants to put out, and him yelling 254 00:11:56,144 --> 00:11:58,984 Speaker 1: at Kim Kardashian when she's having that really vulnerable moment 255 00:11:59,064 --> 00:12:01,024 Speaker 1: of you weren't like this a few years ago. Your 256 00:12:01,064 --> 00:12:03,504 Speaker 1: personality is completely changed, can't you see that? And him 257 00:12:03,584 --> 00:12:06,224 Speaker 1: yelling at her is also a sigh we haven't seen before. 258 00:12:06,264 --> 00:12:08,944 Speaker 2: I want to tread very carefully here because I do 259 00:12:08,984 --> 00:12:12,664 Speaker 2: think that bipolar diagnosed is obviously a really big part 260 00:12:12,664 --> 00:12:15,304 Speaker 2: of his story. But you know, we have heard this 261 00:12:15,464 --> 00:12:19,904 Speaker 2: many times before, where people who have mental health problems 262 00:12:19,904 --> 00:12:24,464 Speaker 2: and concerns often feel as though medications do damp and 263 00:12:24,504 --> 00:12:27,704 Speaker 2: their ability to be creative. It is not the first 264 00:12:27,704 --> 00:12:30,984 Speaker 2: time that that has been heard, but it concerns me 265 00:12:31,304 --> 00:12:36,264 Speaker 2: because with bipolar, that mania and then depression that is 266 00:12:36,384 --> 00:12:39,824 Speaker 2: so up and down and very difficult for family members 267 00:12:39,904 --> 00:12:41,984 Speaker 2: to deal with. I haven't personally dealt with it, but 268 00:12:42,384 --> 00:12:46,264 Speaker 2: I can just imagine it being an incredibly difficult situation 269 00:12:46,984 --> 00:12:50,064 Speaker 2: to be as a family member. It was interesting. I 270 00:12:50,104 --> 00:12:53,984 Speaker 2: was looking at the Instagram page for in Whose Name, 271 00:12:54,584 --> 00:12:58,864 Speaker 2: and Candace Owens was saying how she really loved the 272 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:02,824 Speaker 2: trailer and she was with Kanye in the White Lives 273 00:13:02,864 --> 00:13:07,104 Speaker 2: Matter T shirts during that time, and she said Nico 274 00:13:07,504 --> 00:13:10,024 Speaker 2: was filming twenty four to seven like a fly on 275 00:13:10,064 --> 00:13:13,064 Speaker 2: the wall and never said anything it's not going to 276 00:13:13,064 --> 00:13:16,904 Speaker 2: be narrated. It's almost as if he kind of was 277 00:13:17,024 --> 00:13:19,904 Speaker 2: able to blend into the furniture so much that he 278 00:13:20,024 --> 00:13:22,704 Speaker 2: was able to get this very unfiltered view. 279 00:13:23,624 --> 00:13:25,624 Speaker 1: You know, there's some comments of people being like, well, 280 00:13:25,624 --> 00:13:28,864 Speaker 1: if Kim Kardashian didn't want that in a documentary or shared, 281 00:13:29,144 --> 00:13:31,264 Speaker 1: why was she having that breakdown in front of people. 282 00:13:31,584 --> 00:13:33,184 Speaker 1: I think you have to remember, like, when you're Kim 283 00:13:33,264 --> 00:13:36,464 Speaker 1: Kardashian and Kanye West, you're rarely alone, like not just 284 00:13:36,504 --> 00:13:40,024 Speaker 1: their specific film cameras, but they always have their assistance there, 285 00:13:40,064 --> 00:13:43,224 Speaker 1: Their security is there. Kanye himself has a huge entourage 286 00:13:43,264 --> 00:13:45,264 Speaker 1: of people that are with him at all times, and 287 00:13:45,304 --> 00:13:47,784 Speaker 1: so I think a lot of these big breakdowns and 288 00:13:48,024 --> 00:13:50,704 Speaker 1: very personal moments would have happened in a room full 289 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:53,024 Speaker 1: of people just by default of who they are. And 290 00:13:53,064 --> 00:13:55,024 Speaker 1: if you have one person in the background who's just 291 00:13:55,144 --> 00:13:57,984 Speaker 1: very quietly filming, who's always filming, I feel like it'd 292 00:13:58,024 --> 00:14:01,704 Speaker 1: be very easy to forget that they're there. And also 293 00:14:01,784 --> 00:14:04,184 Speaker 1: because they're not part of the official production, where Kim 294 00:14:04,264 --> 00:14:06,104 Speaker 1: Kardashian has power to step in and say we're not 295 00:14:06,184 --> 00:14:08,984 Speaker 1: showing that. In that moment when she's having a huge 296 00:14:09,024 --> 00:14:11,624 Speaker 1: breakdown with her husband and she sobbing, she's also just 297 00:14:11,664 --> 00:14:14,184 Speaker 1: probably not thinking that that footage is going to end 298 00:14:14,304 --> 00:14:16,824 Speaker 1: up because her husband at that point had control over 299 00:14:16,864 --> 00:14:19,464 Speaker 1: the footage is going to end up playing in over 300 00:14:19,504 --> 00:14:22,264 Speaker 1: one thousand cinemas, which is where this documentary is going, 301 00:14:22,664 --> 00:14:25,624 Speaker 1: and I think it'll have a huge audience because one 302 00:14:25,664 --> 00:14:28,664 Speaker 1: is that people are very obsessed with Kanye West still, 303 00:14:29,184 --> 00:14:31,744 Speaker 1: even though his music has been taken off platforms. He's 304 00:14:31,784 --> 00:14:34,824 Speaker 1: been taken off social platforms, record labels have dropped him. 305 00:14:34,864 --> 00:14:37,824 Speaker 1: Famous friends won't condone what he says and have walked 306 00:14:37,824 --> 00:14:40,064 Speaker 1: away from him, not just because of what he said 307 00:14:40,064 --> 00:14:42,504 Speaker 1: about Kim Kardashian, but a lot of the very racially 308 00:14:42,584 --> 00:14:45,344 Speaker 1: charged stuff he said, a lot of hate against Jewish people, 309 00:14:45,424 --> 00:14:47,904 Speaker 1: a lot of Nazi rhetoric, just stuff that has absolutely 310 00:14:47,944 --> 00:14:51,064 Speaker 1: no place being mentioned on any forum. But his fan 311 00:14:51,144 --> 00:14:53,704 Speaker 1: base is still so strong. People want to consume his 312 00:14:53,824 --> 00:14:55,584 Speaker 1: content no matter what. So I feel like they'll go 313 00:14:55,624 --> 00:14:57,864 Speaker 1: and watch this movie that they absolutely will. 314 00:14:57,864 --> 00:15:00,184 Speaker 2: And as you said, it's got a theatrical release one 315 00:15:00,184 --> 00:15:04,504 Speaker 2: thousand screens September nineteen, twenty twenty five. I don't know 316 00:15:04,944 --> 00:15:07,424 Speaker 2: if we have like an Australian no. 317 00:15:07,464 --> 00:15:09,384 Speaker 1: I haven't seen one, but I'm sure it'll be like 318 00:15:09,424 --> 00:15:11,024 Speaker 1: even if it doesn't go to sea Is here, it'll 319 00:15:11,024 --> 00:15:13,584 Speaker 1: be available on streaming somewhere and people will flock. 320 00:15:13,384 --> 00:15:15,304 Speaker 2: To watch it and it'll get picked up. I'm sure 321 00:15:15,544 --> 00:15:18,024 Speaker 2: it makes me feel uncomfortable. I have to say the 322 00:15:18,064 --> 00:15:19,704 Speaker 2: trailer made me feel uncomfortable. 323 00:15:19,824 --> 00:15:21,904 Speaker 1: It's hard to you because I have to just confess 324 00:15:21,944 --> 00:15:23,464 Speaker 1: here that I do really want to watch it. 325 00:15:23,544 --> 00:15:24,184 Speaker 2: So so do I. 326 00:15:24,384 --> 00:15:26,704 Speaker 1: But yeah, the overall tone of it unless Kim Kardashian 327 00:15:26,784 --> 00:15:28,584 Speaker 1: comes out, and at the time of recording, I haven't 328 00:15:28,584 --> 00:15:31,144 Speaker 1: seen her comment, and I couldn't find anywhere in any 329 00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:33,864 Speaker 1: of the trade publications like Deadline who report on this 330 00:15:33,944 --> 00:15:36,024 Speaker 1: sort of thing. I couldn't find that she had signed 331 00:15:36,024 --> 00:15:38,344 Speaker 1: off and it condoned it or anything like that that 332 00:15:38,384 --> 00:15:40,104 Speaker 1: would make me feel a bit better about watching it. 333 00:15:40,184 --> 00:15:43,864 Speaker 1: But it is this insider look into this person who 334 00:15:43,944 --> 00:15:47,024 Speaker 1: shapes culture in music in such a huge way, and 335 00:15:47,024 --> 00:15:50,384 Speaker 1: that in itself is fascinating, but it is also Yeah, 336 00:15:50,424 --> 00:15:52,944 Speaker 1: it's this difficult thing of showing this other side of 337 00:15:52,944 --> 00:15:55,024 Speaker 1: this famous woman who also doesn't want this part of 338 00:15:55,024 --> 00:15:57,704 Speaker 1: her life out there. So it's a mixed bag, like 339 00:15:57,744 --> 00:16:00,224 Speaker 1: everything else with Kanye West, I feel Nana, Nana. 340 00:16:01,304 --> 00:16:04,184 Speaker 2: So you are fit obsessed with this for a while now, 341 00:16:04,424 --> 00:16:06,064 Speaker 2: and I don't know much about it, so I'm going 342 00:16:06,104 --> 00:16:07,664 Speaker 2: to get you to give me a history lesson. But 343 00:16:07,744 --> 00:16:09,824 Speaker 2: the way that it was the intro to me was 344 00:16:09,864 --> 00:16:14,024 Speaker 2: someone commented on the post saying, this is like the 345 00:16:14,224 --> 00:16:17,824 Speaker 2: Carti b and Nicki Minaj feud for depressed girlies. 346 00:16:17,904 --> 00:16:21,224 Speaker 1: Yes that is so true. Okay, So Lana Delray, our 347 00:16:21,264 --> 00:16:24,584 Speaker 1: favorite chaotic pop star who we spoke about recently because 348 00:16:24,584 --> 00:16:27,664 Speaker 1: she's been doing these big live shows after marrying her 349 00:16:27,784 --> 00:16:31,904 Speaker 1: Crocodile Hunters saman who I'm still obsessed with them. I 350 00:16:31,944 --> 00:16:35,424 Speaker 1: know he's problematic, that's fine, And she's coming out on stage, 351 00:16:35,464 --> 00:16:38,024 Speaker 1: but also then leaving the stage and learning a hologram 352 00:16:38,104 --> 00:16:40,744 Speaker 1: sing for her and vaping. But we love her anyway 353 00:16:40,744 --> 00:16:44,064 Speaker 1: because we love a chaotic queen. So recently she posted 354 00:16:44,264 --> 00:16:46,864 Speaker 1: a little snippet of what appears to be an upcoming 355 00:16:46,944 --> 00:16:50,224 Speaker 1: song from her next album, and it's very classic Lana. 356 00:16:50,464 --> 00:16:53,064 Speaker 1: She looks like she's sitting in a car, she's listening 357 00:16:53,064 --> 00:16:56,984 Speaker 1: to the song and there's some questionable lyrics, but also 358 00:16:57,224 --> 00:17:00,464 Speaker 1: the caption itself was very telling. So in the caption 359 00:17:01,144 --> 00:17:04,464 Speaker 1: she tagged duck Antonov and said the melody was track 360 00:17:04,584 --> 00:17:08,464 Speaker 1: thirteen now to the original Naked Eye. If you have 361 00:17:08,544 --> 00:17:11,024 Speaker 1: a life and friends and family in the weeds of 362 00:17:11,024 --> 00:17:14,344 Speaker 1: pop culture, you might have thought, oh, she's dissing Taylor 363 00:17:14,384 --> 00:17:17,424 Speaker 1: Swift because this came out after very soon to Taylor's 364 00:17:17,664 --> 00:17:21,744 Speaker 1: announcement of life as a showgirl, which very infamously doesn't 365 00:17:21,784 --> 00:17:24,424 Speaker 1: have her long term collaborator at Jack Anhanoff on it, 366 00:17:24,864 --> 00:17:27,704 Speaker 1: whereas Lana also works with Jack and also thirteen is 367 00:17:27,704 --> 00:17:31,784 Speaker 1: Taylor's favorite number. So to the initial person scrolling past, 368 00:17:32,144 --> 00:17:34,744 Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, she's making a big deal that she's 369 00:17:34,784 --> 00:17:37,984 Speaker 1: working with Jack Anhanoff and she's using Taylor's favorite number. 370 00:17:38,424 --> 00:17:41,504 Speaker 1: Lana Delray is trying to take down Taylor Swift, which 371 00:17:41,504 --> 00:17:43,424 Speaker 1: would have been great and very entertaining for the rest 372 00:17:43,424 --> 00:17:44,984 Speaker 1: of us. But that's not what's happening go. 373 00:17:44,984 --> 00:17:48,704 Speaker 2: Starting rumors that would have been breaking news. 374 00:17:48,744 --> 00:17:51,784 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, is she no, no, no, no, settle out 375 00:17:52,184 --> 00:17:55,184 Speaker 1: because if you listen to the lyrics, it's actually about 376 00:17:55,184 --> 00:18:20,504 Speaker 1: another pop girlly. I think it's okay. 377 00:18:20,584 --> 00:18:24,184 Speaker 2: So for those of you who can't hear lyrics very 378 00:18:24,224 --> 00:18:27,144 Speaker 2: well in the Lana del Rays style, which can sometimes 379 00:18:27,144 --> 00:18:28,664 Speaker 2: be an issue for me, I had to listen to 380 00:18:28,704 --> 00:18:29,264 Speaker 2: it a few times. 381 00:18:29,264 --> 00:18:32,664 Speaker 1: Do I unders dance because it's so beautiful, and it's 382 00:18:32,744 --> 00:18:35,344 Speaker 1: so beautiful. It is my dream to just rip someone 383 00:18:35,384 --> 00:18:38,864 Speaker 1: to shreds via a beautiful song. But you can't tell 384 00:18:38,904 --> 00:18:41,744 Speaker 1: that they're cutting you down until you really listen to it. Okay, 385 00:18:41,784 --> 00:18:44,064 Speaker 1: So once you go back and you put the pieces together, 386 00:18:44,504 --> 00:18:48,264 Speaker 1: it does appear that this song is about fellow musician 387 00:18:48,384 --> 00:18:51,704 Speaker 1: Ethel Kine, and I can't say like an actual name 388 00:18:51,704 --> 00:18:53,904 Speaker 1: for the song yet, but people have been calling it 389 00:18:53,944 --> 00:18:57,104 Speaker 1: like fans who are deep in No. She says Ethel 390 00:18:57,144 --> 00:19:00,424 Speaker 1: Caine in the song, so she's referencing Ethel Kine. But 391 00:19:00,664 --> 00:19:03,304 Speaker 1: also people are calling the song all about Ethel, which 392 00:19:03,344 --> 00:19:05,624 Speaker 1: is a famous play on the movie All About Eve, 393 00:19:05,664 --> 00:19:07,984 Speaker 1: which is about a young upstart coming in and taking 394 00:19:08,024 --> 00:19:11,904 Speaker 1: over like an established stars life. So Lana Delray has 395 00:19:11,944 --> 00:19:15,384 Speaker 1: been famous for many decades now, She's recently turned forty. 396 00:19:15,464 --> 00:19:17,744 Speaker 1: She's got a new album coming out. A lot of 397 00:19:17,784 --> 00:19:21,064 Speaker 1: girls have grown up listening to her music. Enter Ethel Kain, 398 00:19:21,184 --> 00:19:24,664 Speaker 1: who is an incredible musician. She's coming to Australia soon. 399 00:19:24,824 --> 00:19:26,664 Speaker 1: I thought all her Sydney shows were sold out, but 400 00:19:26,704 --> 00:19:28,264 Speaker 1: there is one left and I'm going to go buy 401 00:19:28,264 --> 00:19:30,144 Speaker 1: my ticket before this air, so no one takes it. 402 00:19:30,584 --> 00:19:33,384 Speaker 1: Who has been compared to Lana Delray for quite a 403 00:19:33,424 --> 00:19:36,184 Speaker 1: long time, and at the beginning of Ethel Kain's career, 404 00:19:36,224 --> 00:19:39,184 Speaker 1: I guess because she has that beautiful melody and sadness 405 00:19:39,264 --> 00:19:41,464 Speaker 1: with her songs, but also very much to her own artist. 406 00:19:41,824 --> 00:19:44,624 Speaker 1: But in the early days of her career, Ethel Kaine 407 00:19:44,864 --> 00:19:48,184 Speaker 1: has spoken about Lana Delray. She's done covers of Lana 408 00:19:48,264 --> 00:19:51,224 Speaker 1: Delray's songs that she's post online which has since been deleted, 409 00:19:51,704 --> 00:19:55,024 Speaker 1: and a lot of musical journalists who write about Ethelkaine 410 00:19:55,024 --> 00:19:57,744 Speaker 1: when she first started compared her to like the next 411 00:19:57,824 --> 00:19:59,984 Speaker 1: Lana or like the singer who was going to come 412 00:20:00,064 --> 00:20:03,264 Speaker 1: up and take Lana's mantle kind of thing, and that 413 00:20:03,344 --> 00:20:07,024 Speaker 1: line in there Ethel Kain hated my Instagram post just 414 00:20:07,064 --> 00:20:09,424 Speaker 1: by itself could have been read in a few different 415 00:20:09,424 --> 00:20:12,104 Speaker 1: ways if you hadn't looked at the rest of the lyrics. 416 00:20:12,344 --> 00:20:15,104 Speaker 1: The other one that people have pulled out is I 417 00:20:15,184 --> 00:20:19,264 Speaker 1: think it's cute re enacting my Chicago pose. So what 418 00:20:19,304 --> 00:20:21,744 Speaker 1: that seems to be in reference to is that Lana 419 00:20:21,784 --> 00:20:24,504 Speaker 1: Delray was said to be dating Jack Donahue from the 420 00:20:24,504 --> 00:20:28,904 Speaker 1: band Salem, and they posted this photo that was like 421 00:20:28,984 --> 00:20:31,984 Speaker 1: quite famous, and then not long after their room and 422 00:20:32,144 --> 00:20:35,424 Speaker 1: romance came to an end, Ethel Kain posted a photo 423 00:20:35,424 --> 00:20:38,104 Speaker 1: with him as well, in a different location, but it 424 00:20:38,224 --> 00:20:41,424 Speaker 1: did look as if she and Jack were trying to 425 00:20:41,464 --> 00:20:44,664 Speaker 1: create this famous photo that Lana had posted. And she's 426 00:20:44,664 --> 00:20:45,504 Speaker 1: calling her out for. 427 00:20:45,464 --> 00:20:50,104 Speaker 2: That, and then what is their whole Nicki Minaj connection. 428 00:20:50,784 --> 00:20:53,144 Speaker 1: Oh well, Nicki Minaj just came out and said that 429 00:20:53,224 --> 00:20:56,464 Speaker 1: she just keeps singing. Ethel Kain hated my Instagram post. 430 00:20:56,824 --> 00:20:59,224 Speaker 1: So everyone's like, oh, she's picked aside. I'm like, I 431 00:20:59,224 --> 00:21:01,064 Speaker 1: think she's picked a side of just a lyric that's 432 00:21:01,064 --> 00:21:02,864 Speaker 1: stuck in her head. But like, this just goes to 433 00:21:02,904 --> 00:21:06,264 Speaker 1: show how far this has spread. Okay, when Ethel Kaine 434 00:21:06,584 --> 00:21:09,824 Speaker 1: was sort of getting profiled by a lot of mainstream publications, 435 00:21:09,904 --> 00:21:12,504 Speaker 1: I believe in the New York Times where they did 436 00:21:12,504 --> 00:21:14,824 Speaker 1: this huge profile on her and they called it the 437 00:21:14,864 --> 00:21:17,584 Speaker 1: most famous girl at the waffle House, you know, just 438 00:21:17,624 --> 00:21:19,824 Speaker 1: because there's a whole backstory around her being famous and 439 00:21:19,824 --> 00:21:21,584 Speaker 1: going there and all this sort of stuff. And then 440 00:21:21,704 --> 00:21:24,704 Speaker 1: a few years later, Lana Delray went and worked at 441 00:21:24,704 --> 00:21:28,384 Speaker 1: the waffle house for one shift, essentially making her the 442 00:21:28,424 --> 00:21:32,064 Speaker 1: most famous girl at the waffle house? And was that 443 00:21:32,144 --> 00:21:34,944 Speaker 1: a long player to put that lyric in this song 444 00:21:35,104 --> 00:21:37,504 Speaker 1: so that it's a direct way of calling out what 445 00:21:37,584 --> 00:21:40,024 Speaker 1: people think Ethel Kine is and then her coming in 446 00:21:40,064 --> 00:21:41,424 Speaker 1: and saying, no, it's actually me. 447 00:21:41,664 --> 00:21:43,464 Speaker 2: I thought she just like worked at a restaurant, And 448 00:21:43,504 --> 00:21:45,344 Speaker 2: then that Lana was trying to make make fun of 449 00:21:45,344 --> 00:21:47,264 Speaker 2: her for working at a restaurant, which kind of is 450 00:21:47,344 --> 00:21:50,224 Speaker 2: a bit main But then she actually went and worked 451 00:21:50,264 --> 00:21:52,184 Speaker 2: one day at a waffle house, which we. 452 00:21:52,224 --> 00:21:58,744 Speaker 1: Assume is like like an American chain, like that whole 453 00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:02,664 Speaker 1: classic Yeah, like called classic Dina, like have some waffles 454 00:22:02,704 --> 00:22:04,624 Speaker 1: and a black coffee and a cigarette. Kind of very 455 00:22:04,704 --> 00:22:08,424 Speaker 1: Lana Delray is. Yeah. And at the time, when when 456 00:22:08,504 --> 00:22:10,824 Speaker 1: Lana went and did that waffle house shift, people did 457 00:22:10,824 --> 00:22:12,704 Speaker 1: think it was because she had some songs coming out 458 00:22:12,744 --> 00:22:15,344 Speaker 1: around it. She was, so she was like it was 459 00:22:15,384 --> 00:22:17,144 Speaker 1: she was going to like release a photo shoot from 460 00:22:17,184 --> 00:22:19,784 Speaker 1: there or something. But she also just does stuff like that, 461 00:22:19,984 --> 00:22:21,304 Speaker 1: like that's you know what I mean, Like she just 462 00:22:21,344 --> 00:22:21,984 Speaker 1: does weird shit. 463 00:22:22,064 --> 00:22:23,224 Speaker 2: She's a method artist. 464 00:22:23,504 --> 00:22:25,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the time was kind of brushed off. 465 00:22:25,424 --> 00:22:27,424 Speaker 1: But hearing her seeing the most famous girl at the 466 00:22:27,424 --> 00:22:29,504 Speaker 1: waffle house and knowing that that's the link to this 467 00:22:29,624 --> 00:22:32,864 Speaker 1: very famous profile about Ethyl, this could all just be 468 00:22:33,224 --> 00:22:36,424 Speaker 1: a little bit of I guess fan speculation or like, 469 00:22:36,664 --> 00:22:39,064 Speaker 1: is Lana trying to just sort of allude to something 470 00:22:39,144 --> 00:22:42,464 Speaker 1: but it's not really there. Until Lana went and commented 471 00:22:42,584 --> 00:22:45,344 Speaker 1: on a pop based Instagram post that was talking about 472 00:22:45,424 --> 00:22:47,904 Speaker 1: Lana and Ethyl and this is the moment where she 473 00:22:48,024 --> 00:22:50,744 Speaker 1: throws away, like all the shade and all the maybe 474 00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:52,104 Speaker 1: it could be this and maybe could be all the 475 00:22:52,184 --> 00:22:55,184 Speaker 1: nuance of the situation she throws away because under this 476 00:22:55,264 --> 00:22:58,064 Speaker 1: Instagram post, Lana del Rey wrote, I didn't know who 477 00:22:58,104 --> 00:23:00,824 Speaker 1: Ethel Caine was until a few years ago when someone 478 00:23:00,864 --> 00:23:03,584 Speaker 1: brought to my attention the disturbing and graphics side by 479 00:23:03,624 --> 00:23:06,344 Speaker 1: side images she would often put up of meat next 480 00:23:06,384 --> 00:23:11,024 Speaker 1: to unflattering creatures and cartoon characters, making constant comments about 481 00:23:11,064 --> 00:23:13,984 Speaker 1: my weight. I was confused at what she was getting at. 482 00:23:14,264 --> 00:23:16,704 Speaker 1: Then I heard she was saying behind closed doors from 483 00:23:16,784 --> 00:23:20,504 Speaker 1: mutual friends and started inserting herself into my personal life, 484 00:23:20,504 --> 00:23:23,184 Speaker 1: and I was definitely disturbed. I can't find a lot 485 00:23:23,184 --> 00:23:25,744 Speaker 1: of these posts, but I did find one where Ethel 486 00:23:25,824 --> 00:23:28,224 Speaker 1: had put a photo of like Peter Griffin from Family Guy, 487 00:23:28,384 --> 00:23:31,704 Speaker 1: like in a really unflattering way okayoes, and then put 488 00:23:31,864 --> 00:23:35,784 Speaker 1: Lana Delarey limix over it. And apparently there is much 489 00:23:35,864 --> 00:23:38,024 Speaker 1: worse stuff like in the chatteries of tumb okay. 490 00:23:38,064 --> 00:23:40,304 Speaker 2: So this is like, this seems to just be really 491 00:23:40,384 --> 00:23:43,744 Speaker 2: escalating and the comments are while that people are kind 492 00:23:43,784 --> 00:23:46,664 Speaker 2: of on the either they're either picking sides or they're 493 00:23:46,744 --> 00:23:49,264 Speaker 2: saying things like you're forty years old. 494 00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:51,424 Speaker 1: Like also, if it is true, which it does feel 495 00:23:51,464 --> 00:23:54,024 Speaker 1: like it is, that this new Ethyl Caine song has 496 00:23:54,064 --> 00:23:56,744 Speaker 1: all the information we think it is Lana's first proper 497 00:23:56,784 --> 00:23:59,904 Speaker 1: diss song, like she's just ex boyfriends before and like 498 00:24:00,024 --> 00:24:02,744 Speaker 1: sung about like her heartbreak, but it is her first distrack, 499 00:24:02,784 --> 00:24:04,704 Speaker 1: and people think it's kind of embarrassing that she's doing 500 00:24:04,744 --> 00:24:05,624 Speaker 1: that at forty years old. 501 00:24:06,104 --> 00:24:09,744 Speaker 2: Nobody says that when there's distracks between two rap artists, 502 00:24:09,784 --> 00:24:10,704 Speaker 2: so oh. 503 00:24:10,584 --> 00:24:12,984 Speaker 1: One hundred percent disaway no matter what age you are. 504 00:24:13,104 --> 00:24:16,064 Speaker 2: That is so part of like rap culture is these 505 00:24:16,224 --> 00:24:20,064 Speaker 2: like back and forth dis tracks. Whoever made that comment, 506 00:24:20,264 --> 00:24:24,424 Speaker 2: like Bravo, this is the Kadi b Nicki Minaj feud 507 00:24:24,584 --> 00:24:27,704 Speaker 2: for depressed girlies and it's really that. But it's interesting 508 00:24:27,744 --> 00:24:30,224 Speaker 2: that people are saying, aren't you too old for this? 509 00:24:30,384 --> 00:24:32,264 Speaker 2: But they don't say that about rap artists. 510 00:24:32,384 --> 00:24:34,344 Speaker 1: No, And I guess like in a way, like it 511 00:24:34,424 --> 00:24:37,104 Speaker 1: can be seen as a bit of a power struggle 512 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:40,304 Speaker 1: in favor of Lana. I don't think your personality changes 513 00:24:40,344 --> 00:24:43,024 Speaker 1: when you turn forty, that you can't write music in 514 00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:44,944 Speaker 1: a certain way, and like, as much as this is 515 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:47,664 Speaker 1: her first real dis track, it's all very her like. 516 00:24:48,024 --> 00:24:50,424 Speaker 1: The imagery that she's used and the way she's done 517 00:24:50,464 --> 00:24:52,104 Speaker 1: the lyrics and the lead up to it is like 518 00:24:52,224 --> 00:24:54,624 Speaker 1: very Blana Delray It just from what I can tell, 519 00:24:54,664 --> 00:24:57,704 Speaker 1: hasn't been dis pointed at another fellow musician. But then 520 00:24:57,744 --> 00:25:00,904 Speaker 1: there's a slight power and balance that. Obviously, Lana is 521 00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:04,424 Speaker 1: over twenty years older than ethel Kine and is a 522 00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:07,744 Speaker 1: much more famous artist as much as ethel Kaine's got 523 00:25:07,744 --> 00:25:10,584 Speaker 1: a huge fan base like Lana is well not is 524 00:25:10,624 --> 00:25:13,224 Speaker 1: one of the greatest musicians of all time, has released 525 00:25:13,224 --> 00:25:16,584 Speaker 1: so many albums, is selling out stadium tours, so she's 526 00:25:16,624 --> 00:25:19,784 Speaker 1: in a much more powerful position. The other thing is 527 00:25:19,824 --> 00:25:23,704 Speaker 1: it's a bit disturbing and upsetting in the current climate, 528 00:25:24,144 --> 00:25:26,584 Speaker 1: especially in the US, when trans people are having their 529 00:25:26,664 --> 00:25:29,304 Speaker 1: rights stripped away from them and are in fear for 530 00:25:29,344 --> 00:25:32,144 Speaker 1: their life because ethel Kine is a trans artist, and 531 00:25:32,504 --> 00:25:35,024 Speaker 1: there's also a lot of hatred and danger for her 532 00:25:35,064 --> 00:25:37,424 Speaker 1: as much as she has a huge fan base of 533 00:25:37,864 --> 00:25:40,664 Speaker 1: essentially Lana kind of sticking her fans on her and 534 00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:44,024 Speaker 1: away is the other uncomfortable about that that. 535 00:25:44,064 --> 00:25:46,584 Speaker 2: Is a little bit uncomfortable. 536 00:25:45,864 --> 00:25:47,944 Speaker 1: And they're doing it. So part of me is like, 537 00:25:47,984 --> 00:25:49,664 Speaker 1: just let them have a pop girl fight like other 538 00:25:49,704 --> 00:25:52,104 Speaker 1: pop girls have a fight. And the other thing is like, oh, 539 00:25:52,104 --> 00:25:55,824 Speaker 1: there's this much more serious thread around a trans artist 540 00:25:55,984 --> 00:25:57,224 Speaker 1: being targeted. 541 00:25:56,904 --> 00:25:59,424 Speaker 2: And then that kind of loops back in and this 542 00:25:59,504 --> 00:26:03,864 Speaker 2: is again purely speculation here from me, loops back in 543 00:26:03,944 --> 00:26:07,464 Speaker 2: with you know, her swamp man being a massive Trump supporter. 544 00:26:07,664 --> 00:26:12,584 Speaker 2: So there's some kind of very tenuous yeah exactly. Yeah, 545 00:26:12,624 --> 00:26:15,864 Speaker 2: So hop potentially people could be feeling a little bit 546 00:26:15,864 --> 00:26:18,824 Speaker 2: attacked by which I completely I respect to understand. And 547 00:26:18,944 --> 00:26:20,664 Speaker 2: again I am not saying that that's the way that 548 00:26:21,064 --> 00:26:24,104 Speaker 2: Lana feels at all. I'm just saying that this is 549 00:26:24,144 --> 00:26:25,224 Speaker 2: where people will go. 550 00:26:25,824 --> 00:26:28,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just an extra importance thread to the conversation. 551 00:26:29,024 --> 00:26:31,344 Speaker 1: And I should say, like, Lana's been accused of being 552 00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:34,304 Speaker 1: very magarin like a Trump supporter. I haven't seen her 553 00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:37,504 Speaker 1: say that. I haven't seen her husband Jeremy officially come 554 00:26:37,544 --> 00:26:39,104 Speaker 1: out and say that that's been the thought for a 555 00:26:39,104 --> 00:26:41,784 Speaker 1: long time. There is apparently a comment that he said, 556 00:26:41,784 --> 00:26:44,024 Speaker 1: I didn't vote for either side because they're both bullshit. 557 00:26:44,504 --> 00:26:46,824 Speaker 1: But there is like a gray area there where people 558 00:26:46,864 --> 00:26:49,024 Speaker 1: sort of aren't sure which way they lead in that way. 559 00:26:49,504 --> 00:26:51,784 Speaker 1: The other thing is, though, is that Ethel Kaine is 560 00:26:51,824 --> 00:26:54,304 Speaker 1: obviously getting involved in a way of not just these 561 00:26:54,384 --> 00:26:56,904 Speaker 1: very old schooled tumbler posts, but she also posts on 562 00:26:56,944 --> 00:27:00,344 Speaker 1: her Insta like this. Just in Lana Delray blocks Ethel 563 00:27:00,384 --> 00:27:03,264 Speaker 1: Kine on Instagram, So not only has she put out 564 00:27:03,264 --> 00:27:05,904 Speaker 1: this song, but apparently she's blocked her. And then the 565 00:27:05,944 --> 00:27:08,104 Speaker 1: other side of it is that Ethel Kaine is very 566 00:27:08,104 --> 00:27:10,864 Speaker 1: close to her sister, Delilah. It's also Deliah's birthday today. 567 00:27:10,904 --> 00:27:14,144 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Dlilah, who put up this shady comment which 568 00:27:14,144 --> 00:27:15,984 Speaker 1: has again escalated the situation. 569 00:27:16,264 --> 00:27:18,704 Speaker 2: You gotta love a sister sticking up for her sibling. 570 00:27:18,784 --> 00:27:21,304 Speaker 1: Lie, Yeah, your sister support you. 571 00:27:21,424 --> 00:27:23,824 Speaker 2: Now, sister is going to support her sister. 572 00:27:24,504 --> 00:27:26,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So I just thought it was so funny 573 00:27:26,904 --> 00:27:29,624 Speaker 1: because I was on Ethel Kaine's Instagram today just making 574 00:27:29,664 --> 00:27:32,584 Speaker 1: sure there had been no updates before we came into record, 575 00:27:32,904 --> 00:27:35,384 Speaker 1: and it She's just post this huge montage of like 576 00:27:35,704 --> 00:27:37,984 Speaker 1: her and Delilah and how close they are and for 577 00:27:38,024 --> 00:27:40,504 Speaker 1: her birthday and stuff. But previous to this, when this 578 00:27:40,544 --> 00:27:43,864 Speaker 1: whole thing was blowing up, Delilah put up a note 579 00:27:43,904 --> 00:27:46,304 Speaker 1: saying that track thirteen is a diss track, and then 580 00:27:46,344 --> 00:27:49,744 Speaker 1: she wrote, I can't wait to watch your Hologram perform 581 00:27:49,824 --> 00:27:53,024 Speaker 1: this dis track while you hit your vate backstage, Diva, 582 00:27:53,264 --> 00:27:56,384 Speaker 1: what inspired you to suddenly make a country album? So 583 00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:57,544 Speaker 1: she's calling out the. 584 00:28:00,464 --> 00:28:04,224 Speaker 2: Coming in Delilah is like, you will not attack my sister. 585 00:28:04,864 --> 00:28:08,424 Speaker 1: This just in Delilah Kane blocked by that is blocked 586 00:28:08,424 --> 00:28:11,184 Speaker 1: by Lana Delray. So that's the thing about the Hologram 587 00:28:11,224 --> 00:28:13,304 Speaker 1: we talked about that people are getting angry who are 588 00:28:13,304 --> 00:28:16,784 Speaker 1: fans of Lana Delray because they paid all this money 589 00:28:16,784 --> 00:28:19,144 Speaker 1: to go to her shows and then for some of it, 590 00:28:19,224 --> 00:28:21,704 Speaker 1: she just wanders off stage and then comes back later 591 00:28:21,744 --> 00:28:23,424 Speaker 1: on you can see that she's vaping and making it 592 00:28:23,504 --> 00:28:25,384 Speaker 1: with her husband, and Hologram sings the. 593 00:28:25,344 --> 00:28:28,984 Speaker 2: Song with artists at the moment really like handing it in, 594 00:28:29,024 --> 00:28:31,264 Speaker 2: like you know all that stuff about justin Timberlake all 595 00:28:31,264 --> 00:28:33,184 Speaker 2: of a sudden, just phoning it in and being like 596 00:28:33,544 --> 00:28:35,704 Speaker 2: I got this feeling and then just like hating the 597 00:28:35,744 --> 00:28:38,024 Speaker 2: camera to the thing and then just basically like moping 598 00:28:38,064 --> 00:28:40,424 Speaker 2: her out. Well he's sick, but yeah, I don't know. 599 00:28:40,464 --> 00:28:43,024 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I've heard it like on multiple times. 600 00:28:43,064 --> 00:28:46,584 Speaker 2: And now you know, we're doing holograms. We're doing you know, 601 00:28:47,024 --> 00:28:50,384 Speaker 2: Ava Barone is singing live and then people in the 602 00:28:50,384 --> 00:28:52,344 Speaker 2: theater have to watch her on the screen. There's a 603 00:28:52,344 --> 00:28:55,224 Speaker 2: lot of controversies off yes, no age at the moment. 604 00:28:55,304 --> 00:28:57,304 Speaker 1: It's also weird, like with Lana, I'm like, just let 605 00:28:57,304 --> 00:28:59,704 Speaker 1: her have a hologram like that, crazy gal. I don't 606 00:28:59,704 --> 00:29:01,984 Speaker 1: know why. I think she also has been like very 607 00:29:01,984 --> 00:29:04,024 Speaker 1: open about the fact that she's not a live performer, 608 00:29:04,184 --> 00:29:07,064 Speaker 1: like she should be in a tiny little jazz club 609 00:29:07,144 --> 00:29:09,504 Speaker 1: somewhere or like a you know, like a dark room 610 00:29:09,544 --> 00:29:12,224 Speaker 1: with twenty p all sitting quietly. She's not really a 611 00:29:12,224 --> 00:29:15,624 Speaker 1: stadium performer, but because she has such a big fan base, 612 00:29:15,664 --> 00:29:17,744 Speaker 1: she has to perform in stadiums. But I don't feel 613 00:29:17,744 --> 00:29:20,384 Speaker 1: it's her natural sort of spot. So that's kind of 614 00:29:20,424 --> 00:29:22,584 Speaker 1: where we're at with the back and forth. Now. I'll 615 00:29:22,584 --> 00:29:25,144 Speaker 1: be really interested when the full disk track against ethel 616 00:29:25,184 --> 00:29:27,624 Speaker 1: Kine comes out, and also when Ethyl comes to Australia 617 00:29:27,704 --> 00:29:31,224 Speaker 1: and tours whether something will be said. But I also 618 00:29:31,224 --> 00:29:33,144 Speaker 1: think maybe we're just making this too deep, like maybe 619 00:29:33,144 --> 00:29:35,624 Speaker 1: they're just two pop girls. Who word and maybe. 620 00:29:35,384 --> 00:29:41,224 Speaker 2: It's not that deep that is the whole point, but 621 00:29:41,304 --> 00:29:43,064 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about it for fifteen minutes. 622 00:29:43,224 --> 00:29:45,784 Speaker 1: I know, I say, I've literally made this my whole 623 00:29:45,824 --> 00:29:48,944 Speaker 1: personality for the entire week. But I just think, maybe 624 00:29:48,944 --> 00:29:50,904 Speaker 1: like this is again, this is just kind of sometimes 625 00:29:50,904 --> 00:29:53,224 Speaker 1: what famous people do. They have very heightened emotions, They 626 00:29:53,264 --> 00:29:56,384 Speaker 1: feel very deeply, They're very intense. One puts out a song, 627 00:29:56,744 --> 00:29:58,864 Speaker 1: they bring the waffle house into it, which I'm sure 628 00:29:58,984 --> 00:30:01,424 Speaker 1: is having a lovely resurgence of people wanting to go 629 00:30:01,464 --> 00:30:04,504 Speaker 1: there and take photos and eat their food, and that's 630 00:30:04,584 --> 00:30:07,344 Speaker 1: nice for them. And I just think maybe as long 631 00:30:07,384 --> 00:30:09,984 Speaker 1: as like everyone's okay, and it's the fans that take 632 00:30:09,984 --> 00:30:10,304 Speaker 1: it too far. 633 00:30:10,824 --> 00:30:13,504 Speaker 2: Okay, But when you go to Ethel Kaine's show, can 634 00:30:13,544 --> 00:30:16,384 Speaker 2: you please like take a notebook and make sure that 635 00:30:16,424 --> 00:30:18,104 Speaker 2: you write any notes and let us know if she 636 00:30:18,104 --> 00:30:19,584 Speaker 2: says anything about through. 637 00:30:19,424 --> 00:30:21,304 Speaker 1: Some waffles on stage and be like, here you go, 638 00:30:21,344 --> 00:30:22,744 Speaker 1: there's enough for everyone. 639 00:30:22,664 --> 00:30:24,104 Speaker 2: Get you will get more. 640 00:30:24,664 --> 00:30:26,544 Speaker 1: Get taken out. People will think I'm a lot of fan, 641 00:30:26,584 --> 00:30:29,264 Speaker 1: which I am. Yeah, that's my both, I know, that's 642 00:30:29,264 --> 00:30:30,704 Speaker 1: the thing. I do love both of them. I'm only 643 00:30:30,944 --> 00:30:32,584 Speaker 1: just discovered Ethyl ka I must say in like the 644 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,344 Speaker 1: last year or so, but I'm really loving her music. 645 00:30:35,424 --> 00:30:38,144 Speaker 1: So I was so unaware of this whole backstory when 646 00:30:38,144 --> 00:30:39,904 Speaker 1: it came out in fans of like we've known this 647 00:30:39,984 --> 00:30:42,264 Speaker 1: for years. I'm like, oh my god. It's like realizing 648 00:30:42,304 --> 00:30:44,784 Speaker 1: you had two different neutual friends at different companies and 649 00:30:44,824 --> 00:30:46,944 Speaker 1: then realizing they hate each other. Yeah that's how I feel. 650 00:30:47,104 --> 00:30:48,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay in the moment. 651 00:30:48,344 --> 00:30:50,384 Speaker 1: So that's where we're at. 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