WEBVTT - A Taylor Swift Plot Twist & Beyonce’s Big Disappointment

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<v Speaker 1>So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma

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<v Speaker 1>Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is recorded on Hey spill is.

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<v Speaker 2>So on today's episode, I share some opinions about Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Swift and Brittany mahomes friendship and I still stand by those. However,

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<v Speaker 2>this episode was recorded before Taylor Swift announced her endorsement

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<v Speaker 2>for Kamala Harris, so please keep that in mind when

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<v Speaker 2>you listen from Mamma Maya. Welcome to the Spill your

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<v Speaker 2>daily pop culture fix.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick.

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<v Speaker 2>On the show today, we are talking about Taylor Swift

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<v Speaker 2>at the US Open. We have talked about her at

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<v Speaker 2>the US Open before, but we're talking about a photo

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<v Speaker 2>of her hugging Brittany Mahomes. We break everything down for you. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>Beyonce has been snubbed at the Country Music Awards.

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<v Speaker 3>But first but first, So a few days ago, the

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<v Speaker 3>cast for the new season of the America Dancing with

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<v Speaker 3>the Stars was announced. That's a huge show in America

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<v Speaker 3>still and the casting is always a really big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>But this time around, one person and one photo in

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<v Speaker 3>particular made headlines and that is fake Heiress and Adelvi,

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<v Speaker 3>who is in the new season, and there was a

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<v Speaker 3>photo of her. I think people were losing their minds

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<v Speaker 3>over because obviously they released like a dancing you know,

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<v Speaker 3>portrait at each person who's competing, and hers very prominently

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<v Speaker 3>had on display a chic little black ankorn monitor wrapped

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<v Speaker 3>around her leg.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's gonna be dancing with the ankle monitor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she has. I think that's the whole point of

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<v Speaker 1>an ankle monitor.

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<v Speaker 3>Haven't personally worn one, but that you have to keep

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<v Speaker 3>it on all times and lets the police know if

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<v Speaker 3>he moves away from the arena floor, she'll get pinged.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I wonder if she could put like a sleeve

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<v Speaker 2>on top of it so it's not as like prominent.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the way the photo has done, it's meant

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<v Speaker 3>to be prominent, and you can just tell that she's

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<v Speaker 3>loving So everyone was like, this is iconic, this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>We love it because people, I think even love her

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<v Speaker 3>even more so after the whole Netflix show came out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's one of those weird sessions, like I remember

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<v Speaker 2>when that movie of zach Efron where he acted as

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Bundy. Yeah, the wickedly. Oh yeah, yeah, the one

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<v Speaker 2>with the longest title ever. And like how everyone kind

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<v Speaker 2>of got a re obsession with Ted Bundy forgetting that

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<v Speaker 2>he was a serial.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a slight issue with comparing Anna Delby and

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<v Speaker 3>Ted Bundy.

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<v Speaker 1>But a serial killer. Yeah, moving right past that.

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<v Speaker 3>So even some of you friends, I know what posting

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<v Speaker 3>this photo being like this is like conic, this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the women on the View, so the American

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<v Speaker 3>talk show had a slightly different approach, particularly Whoopy Goldberg,

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<v Speaker 3>who is a panelist on the show, and she was

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<v Speaker 3>talking about how it wasn't the best move and that

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<v Speaker 3>Anna hasn't paid people back. And today Anna has given

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<v Speaker 3>an interview to page six basically calling Whoopy Goldberg and

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<v Speaker 3>the viewwomen out, and she said, I served my time

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<v Speaker 3>and I paid everyone back in full over three years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Woopy Goldberg, she said, I'm looking forward to your

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<v Speaker 3>on air correction. And then she said to the View ladies,

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<v Speaker 3>like her final message was stay nasty, ladies, but don't

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<v Speaker 3>forget to vote. September seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, she loves it.

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<v Speaker 3>Though she would have loved that again, she would have

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<v Speaker 3>loved the attention around it. But what I think is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of been lost in this conversation a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>and that everyone's like, yeah, down with Woopye Goldberg, Like

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<v Speaker 3>how dare she call out Anna Delvi? And so many

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<v Speaker 3>people I think find Anna delviy, Like not just because

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<v Speaker 3>of her crimes of like impersonating a rich heiress and

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<v Speaker 3>all that sort of thing, Like it's such an intoxicating story.

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell why people are so obsessed with it,

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<v Speaker 3>but also because she was taking money from rich people

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<v Speaker 3>in banks. It's kind of like she's a modern day

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<v Speaker 3>Robin Hood, Like she's a criminal we can get behind.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think, Whoopi Goldberg, her actual message has been

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<v Speaker 3>lost in this hole back and forth of like current

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<v Speaker 3>Anna Delvey calling each other out, because what the actual

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<v Speaker 3>point of her message of saying that she feels uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 3>seeing Annadelvi on Dancing with the Stars is that Anna

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<v Speaker 3>Delvi had to get permission from ICE in America, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the Immigration and Customs Enforcement team, had to get

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<v Speaker 3>permission from them to compete in all this back and forth,

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<v Speaker 3>and Whoopy Goldberg was saying, you know, I just think

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<v Speaker 3>of all the families who've had their family members arrested

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<v Speaker 3>by ICE, who have gone to the courts begging for

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<v Speaker 3>their dad or their brother, or their mother or someone

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<v Speaker 3>they love.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally like ripped away from them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we've seen it again. That's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thing we see from ICE in America. Is that.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, I know that's a very kind of lad situation,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are all these reports and these news stories

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<v Speaker 3>that have come out of someone who has lived in

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<v Speaker 3>America most of their life showing up to work one

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<v Speaker 3>day being taken by Ice, being deported, being held in custody.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of people who are like fighting to

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<v Speaker 3>get family members back or fighting to like get their

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<v Speaker 3>immigration status changed. It's a very contentious human rights issue.

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<v Speaker 3>And what Woopee was saying is she's like, I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>of all these people who are fighting to get their

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<v Speaker 3>families back, and then this woman has been given permission

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<v Speaker 3>by ICE to do Dancing with the Stars, Like it

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<v Speaker 3>feels like a double standard, and it just feels like

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<v Speaker 3>a slap in the face to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>in America who are facing this issue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also just like so telling and I have to

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<v Speaker 2>be that person to say it, like, would she be

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<v Speaker 2>given that permission if she had different colored skin. Absolutely not,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just insane. Do we get dancing at the

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<v Speaker 2>stars here like the American American version. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>could find a way to streamers you want to watch it,

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<v Speaker 2>You'll see the clips. The clips will be all like,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope, like this is a massive for them. And

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<v Speaker 2>then she gets kicked off for the first episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, another big story that we must address today. Because

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<v Speaker 3>you and I are quite fired up about this. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just gonna put it out there that I am until

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<v Speaker 3>this day, I have never had an opinion about country music.

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<v Speaker 3>Who she went awards, Who's at the top of the charts?

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<v Speaker 1>Ipt?

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<v Speaker 3>I respect country music, but it's not my genre of choice.

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<v Speaker 3>But now I'm all in. I have thoughts and I

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<v Speaker 3>have opinions, and that is because Beyonce Beyonce nos Karter.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it has been snubbed at the Country Music Awards.

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<v Speaker 3>The Country Music Award nominations have come out. This is

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<v Speaker 3>like the Grammys for country music, like the biggest, most

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<v Speaker 3>prestigious awards ceremony.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>They always draw a lot of big names, and she

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<v Speaker 3>has performed before. She has performed there before. So her

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<v Speaker 3>album Cowboy Carter failed to Land a single nomination when

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<v Speaker 3>the nominations were released today. And if you're not across

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<v Speaker 3>how the CMAS work. Basically like any of the big

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<v Speaker 3>awards shows, Emmys, Oscars, Grammys, all that sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 3>they're voted on each year by like a group of

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<v Speaker 3>people who are in the Country Music Association. In this case,

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<v Speaker 3>there's seven three hundred individuals and there's three different rounds

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<v Speaker 3>of balloting, so like you know, to get the first

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<v Speaker 3>round of nomination's, second round, then the actual winner. This

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<v Speaker 3>is not a public vote, no, no, no, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>A public vote at all.

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<v Speaker 3>It's by people in the music industry, kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>how the Grammys is also voted by people in the

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<v Speaker 3>music industry, and there's been a lot of contention around

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<v Speaker 3>who is deemed worthy from them as well. So going

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<v Speaker 3>back to Cowboy Karter, it is the first album by

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<v Speaker 3>a black woman to reach number one on the Billboard

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<v Speaker 3>Top Country Charts, which is a huge history making moment

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. Also, the single Texas Hold a Great

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<v Speaker 3>Song became the first song by a black woman to

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<v Speaker 3>get the top spot on Billboard's Country Song chart, and

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<v Speaker 3>it also charted in all different areas as well. But

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that it was charting on those country music

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<v Speaker 3>charts and then it broke those records and made her

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<v Speaker 3>the first black woman to achieve that was a huge

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<v Speaker 3>moment in musical history. And also Beyonce was also really

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<v Speaker 3>passionate about pointing out that other women of color had

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<v Speaker 3>been in the country music space, but you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>had been held back from charting or having their music

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<v Speaker 3>out there or being given awards, and she kind of

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<v Speaker 3>pulled that all together and was like, yeah, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 3>of doing it for all of us, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>nice sentiment as much as we saw all these record

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<v Speaker 3>breaking moments for Cowboy Carter, though, it was given like

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<v Speaker 3>quite a limited promotion on country music stations, which was

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<v Speaker 3>quite interesting. So music stations that are dedicated just to

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<v Speaker 3>playing country music and a kind of scene as the

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<v Speaker 3>taste makers in that area would barely play it. There's

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<v Speaker 3>reports of people calling in and requesting songs from Cowboy

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<v Speaker 3>Carter and they're being told they weren't going to be played.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of wildly believed that the airplay on

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<v Speaker 3>those country music charts is going to, I guess change

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<v Speaker 3>the industry's mind who vote for the awards more so

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<v Speaker 3>than play on mainstream music channels, which has all resulted

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<v Speaker 3>in her being snubbed from these awards, even though Beyonce

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<v Speaker 3>said that Cowboy Carter wasn't strictly a country music album.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember how she's like, it's not a country music album,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a Beyonce album.

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<v Speaker 1>Because she's a genre or herself.

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<v Speaker 3>It does technique sit within the country music charts, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's why everyone's like, well, it definitely should have been nominated.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of those songs on her album was like, sounded

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<v Speaker 2>more country than Taylor Swift Feelless. Yeah, like that that

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<v Speaker 2>was a country album.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one hundred percent. And on one hand, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people are saying, like, you know, she's Beyonce. She

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<v Speaker 3>is known as one of the greatest musicians of our time.

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<v Speaker 3>She sells out stadiums, her albums are so critically acclaimed.

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<v Speaker 3>People love her, like does she need this? But I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's not about Beyonce. It's more about the overlooked

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<v Speaker 3>legacy of black women, black men, and women, but particularly

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<v Speaker 3>I think black women in the country music industry. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think also coming off the back of the Grammys

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<v Speaker 3>and that big discussion we had this year, and we've

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<v Speaker 3>been having for years around her being really snubbed by

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<v Speaker 3>the Grammys in multiple categories. I mean, she's never been

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<v Speaker 3>nominated for Artists of the Year, She's been snubbed over

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<v Speaker 3>four times for Album of the Year and additional eight

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<v Speaker 3>times for Record of the Year. Like the Grammys have

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<v Speaker 3>really become about the We're not the Beyonce club, like

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<v Speaker 3>is their tagline.

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<v Speaker 2>It had to take her husband jay Z to say something,

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<v Speaker 2>and even then people were annoyed at him, like how

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<v Speaker 2>dare he say something?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how dare he get up and make that moment

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<v Speaker 3>about the fact that she'd been snubbed, But it had

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<v Speaker 3>been a conversation had been happening for years, Like as

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<v Speaker 3>we said the time, infamously, Adele made her whole acceptance

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<v Speaker 3>speech about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's actually quite interesting because she is so smart,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she is so brilliant. And I have a theory

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<v Speaker 2>that she knew exactly what was going to happen. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a theory that she knew she wouldn't be nominated

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<v Speaker 2>at the Country Music Awards, and this was her way

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<v Speaker 2>of saying, I told you so. Yeah, Like I've given

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<v Speaker 2>you all the evidence. There's no reason that these radio

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<v Speaker 2>shows should not be playing my music. There's no reason

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't be nominated for an award or win an award.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw the massive backlash she had when she performed

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<v Speaker 2>at the CMAS, Like people hated her for that. I

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<v Speaker 2>do remember I recommended a week in Watch, which was

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<v Speaker 2>a short documentary on Binge. It was called Call Me Country,

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<v Speaker 2>Beyonce and Nashville's Renaissance, and they interviewed a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>black artists and musicians and they were talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>important this album was not just for like Beyonce and

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<v Speaker 2>country music, but also just generating wealth within black musicians

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<v Speaker 2>who do perform country music, like the amount of backgrounds

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<v Speaker 2>in because she's hired banjo plays violinists who are all black,

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<v Speaker 2>who actually had an opportunity to kind of show their

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<v Speaker 2>song and show their music. And it's just such a

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<v Speaker 2>shame because like, by snubbing her at the CMAS, you're

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<v Speaker 2>snubbing an entire group of people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly, guess off to see when the CMAS take

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<v Speaker 3>place who actually wins in those categories. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is and we should say the time of recording,

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<v Speaker 3>Beyonce hasn't commented, and she won't comment, like she won't.

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<v Speaker 2>She's done it. She knows exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she knows what we're saying. But I think it

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<v Speaker 3>just goes to show that even like one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most powerful, successful women in the world can still be

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<v Speaker 3>pushed out of a category because her work isn't seen

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<v Speaker 3>as worthy.

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<v Speaker 1>What d.

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<v Speaker 2>So you might have seen online there have been some

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<v Speaker 2>photos circulating of Taylor. Firstly, there's photos of her and

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<v Speaker 2>her partner Travis Kelcey. I'm not talking about this photus.

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<v Speaker 2>We already talked about those.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we talked to those in depth.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about a photo of her embracing a woman

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<v Speaker 2>named Brittany Mahomes. Have we talked about Brittany Mahomes.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we have.

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<v Speaker 3>And, like everything else to do with this sport in America,

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<v Speaker 3>like many other people in the world, I wasn't aware

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<v Speaker 3>that all of these people existed until the whole Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>Swift fandom kind of merged with the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do know that she is the wife of.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Patrick Mahomes, who is the star quarterback. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>start I think that's the right word, like the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the start star and the team of the Chiefs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Chiefs that Travis Kelcey also plays.

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<v Speaker 3>And they acquired a famous couple right their lifestyle. They've

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<v Speaker 3>got this kind of glam going on, rich beautiful people.

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<v Speaker 3>One of their kids is named Bronze. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that Bronze and Sterling, I do believe. And I know

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<v Speaker 3>she's having another baby, So which I want her to

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<v Speaker 3>call a Copper or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe? Yeah, yeah, Copper's such a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, this is the information, Like I haven't sought out

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<v Speaker 3>this information, This is the information that permeated my mind

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<v Speaker 3>since the NFL became part of the Taylor Swift Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway continued, So, yes, so Patrick Mahomes Travis Kelcey play

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<v Speaker 2>for the Chiefs together. They're also very close friends, which

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<v Speaker 2>is why Britney Mahomes, Patrick's wife and Taylor Swift, Travis

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<v Speaker 2>Kelsey's partner, how also friends. So they're friends by proxy

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<v Speaker 2>and from photos and like them hanging out, it started

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<v Speaker 2>to look like they became like really close, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think she was part of Taylor's girl gang.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all those photos started coming out months ago of

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor Swift out and about New York after it was

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<v Speaker 3>confirmed she was dating Travis Kelsey and Brittany was in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of those photos, sometimes like holding hands with

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor Swift, and then I was like, she's in.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in, she's in. They've been going to the games

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<v Speaker 2>together previously. It's been all good. So what has happened now?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take you through a bit of a timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Great is that Donald Trump posted on Instagram a tile

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<v Speaker 2>that has all the things he wants to do when

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<v Speaker 2>he becomes president. So the title of it was the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four GOP platform Make America Great Again, And

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<v Speaker 2>in it was like a list of everything that he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do, so stuff like steal the border and

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<v Speaker 2>stop the migrant invasion, carry out the largest deportation operation

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<v Speaker 2>in American history, keep men out of women's sport, like

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<v Speaker 2>just Donald Trump's staff. Basically, our friend Brittany liked that

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<v Speaker 2>post and then unliked it. Oh, I mean, but because

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<v Speaker 2>she was in with Taylor Swift and Taylorswift fans know

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<v Speaker 2>everything that's going on. So I think what Taylorswoft fans

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<v Speaker 2>do is that the minute someone is friends with Taylorswift,

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<v Speaker 2>they also become big fans and are obsessed with that person.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone caught on on the like unlike. She then

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<v Speaker 2>posted on her Instagram stories. I mean, honestly, to be

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<v Speaker 2>a hater as an adult, you have to have some

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<v Speaker 2>deep rooted issues you refuse to heal from childhood. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no reason your brain is fully developed and you hate

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<v Speaker 2>to see others doing well.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I've seen so many people I follow

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<v Speaker 3>have been reposting that ridiculous quote lately.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that where it's coming from? From Retain?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's where it's coming from. So because she

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<v Speaker 2>liked and unliked it, it wasn't that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It is really weird, but not that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>She then posted because I guess she could say, did

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<v Speaker 3>she just you know how someone's just calling the Instagram

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<v Speaker 3>you actually liked it? Oh god, yeah, all quick now

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<v Speaker 3>because yeah, yeah, pfile, Yes, I think maybe that could

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<v Speaker 3>have been the issue. But then she posted a photo

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<v Speaker 3>of herself. Someone commented Trump Vance twenty twenty four three

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<v Speaker 3>American flags, and she liked that comment and you don't

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<v Speaker 3>now on Instagram you can see because it says liked

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<v Speaker 3>by author.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah so and she did not like it, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>still there.

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<v Speaker 1>So she meant to do it. It was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't a mistake. She then posted a tweet

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<v Speaker 2>someone else's tweet on her Instagram stories with the caption

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<v Speaker 2>read that again, and the tweet said, contrary to the

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<v Speaker 2>tone of the world today, you can disagree with someone

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<v Speaker 2>and still love them. You can have differing views and

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<v Speaker 2>still be kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Then ol Man Donald.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump posted on his social media platform Truth Social. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not on that platform, so it took me.

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<v Speaker 1>A while at this Do you have an account?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>You signed up?

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<v Speaker 2>Not signed up? I went through all the avenues to

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<v Speaker 2>do it where I didn't have to sign up. He said.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank beautiful Brittany maharme No for so

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<v Speaker 2>strongly defending me and the fact that Make America Great

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<v Speaker 2>Again is the greatest and most powerful political movement in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of our now failing country. What a great couple.

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<v Speaker 2>See you both at the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to say about this, because I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't expect Donal Donald Trump to actually be well.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he is. Of course he's involved in that.

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<v Speaker 3>He would love to know that this woman who's seen

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<v Speaker 3>this is like this, like glamorous woman that up until

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<v Speaker 3>now so many people in America love.

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<v Speaker 2>And directly adjacent to Taylor Swift. Yeah, exactly, the most

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<v Speaker 2>powerful people in America who could swing so many votes.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly that he thinks that she's on her side. I

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<v Speaker 3>wonder if Brittany Mahomes is seeing that and being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I just like to comment. I didn't mean for Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump to make a statement about that.

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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing because she hasn't commented after made that course,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we thought that this was okay because Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Swift was spotted at the Chiefs game by herself. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think you can memorize the outfit, like the

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<v Speaker 2>full denim, the big boots, star high boots. Usually she

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<v Speaker 2>was seen with her like kind of posse, Brittany Mahomes

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<v Speaker 2>and her family. She was always in the same booth

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<v Speaker 2>as them all the time. Brittany Mahomes was at that game,

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<v Speaker 2>but in a different booth. So we thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>like Taylor Swift saying I've cut friendships, so we I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not friends with this girl. And that's what leads us

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<v Speaker 2>into the US Open where she publicly embraces Brittany in

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<v Speaker 2>front of everyone to see and all the cameras and

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<v Speaker 2>his beautiful high definition shots, so those rumors are put

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<v Speaker 2>to rest. She's basically saying, I'm still friends with this woman.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just kind of unfortunate because up until now

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<v Speaker 2>we've been constantly talking about and kind of discussing whether

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<v Speaker 2>or whether or not Taylor Swift will publicly endorse Kamla Harris. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have to say, I'm not invested in US

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<v Speaker 2>politics and Taylor Swift as separate entities, but I am

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<v Speaker 2>really invested in it together.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Yeah, she's an incredibly influential person. Like that's the

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<v Speaker 3>thing is, like so many times with musicians or actors

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<v Speaker 3>and that sort of thing, you think, like, oh, should

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<v Speaker 3>these people who are there to like make art and

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<v Speaker 3>entertain us, should we be looking to them for like

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<v Speaker 3>political guidance? And I think sometimes maybe not if they

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<v Speaker 3>don't comment on it. It's okay, but it is unfortunate

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<v Speaker 3>for Taylor Swift. Or also fortunate when you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that she's built this empire for herself, is

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<v Speaker 3>that she's not just a musician or an actress. She

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<v Speaker 3>is like one of the most influential people in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>potentially the most influential person in America. Now, like that

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like a ridiculous statement, but I'm sure it's true.

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<v Speaker 3>It is true, and so everything she does matters, and

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<v Speaker 3>what she thinks and says about politics matters as well,

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<v Speaker 3>because the thing is, I'm sure a lot of her

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<v Speaker 3>followers potentially might be thinking, like, I wouldn't vote for

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump, but if she came out and endorsed him,

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<v Speaker 3>which don't think she would do that, but if the

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<v Speaker 3>thing is, if she did, she would swing the vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that just is something that would happen, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it is kind of interesting. I don't think we live

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<v Speaker 3>in a world where you can say it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 3>what she does.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, And what's really sad is that. So firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>she historically has been very quiet about politics, ye until

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<v Speaker 2>she released her documentary Miss Americana, where she was like

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<v Speaker 2>shown like kind of like really emotionally talking to her

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<v Speaker 2>dad and her business managers about how she just wants

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<v Speaker 2>to say what she wants to say and how like

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<v Speaker 2>she's so scared of what will happen to the country

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<v Speaker 2>if she doesn't say something, and she's so passionate about that,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where we saw her kind of confirming that

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<v Speaker 2>she does lean towards the Democratic Party. Yes, that was

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed when she publicly endorsed Biden as well when he

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<v Speaker 2>was running for president. And now we have Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>who's a black woman with Indian heritage running for president,

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<v Speaker 2>and Taylor Swift says nothing, and the closest thing to

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<v Speaker 2>a public political announcement we have is her hugging Brittany Mahomes,

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<v Speaker 2>who was very publicly trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's interesting because I guess there's a few other

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<v Speaker 3>things to note. I can just imagine people listening to

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<v Speaker 3>this episode. There's a few things that they want to say,

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<v Speaker 3>so I might voice them so we can talk through them.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess some people would saying, like, the election isn't

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<v Speaker 3>quite yet, there's a few more months she could still endorse.

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<v Speaker 3>There's that The other one be saying just because she's

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<v Speaker 3>hugging her friend doesn't mean that she agrees with her,

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<v Speaker 3>although a lot of people in America are sort of

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<v Speaker 3>saying like, now is the time to say to people

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<v Speaker 3>that if you're not supporting this particular political stance, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're supporting someone who's going to potentially put my life

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<v Speaker 3>in danger, then we actually can't be friends. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>become that too but I'm sure a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>would say, is she really just not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>friends with Brittany because she's liking some Instagram posts and

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<v Speaker 3>she shouldn't be seen with her in public? Like that

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<v Speaker 3>seems like a big leap in one case. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>saying I agree with that, but I'm I'm saying, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's what people would be thinking listening

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<v Speaker 3>to this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think similar to what you said about like she's

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<v Speaker 2>just friends with her, she doesn't have to believe everything

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<v Speaker 2>she says.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that could be.

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<v Speaker 2>Said for like if we're in like I guess an

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<v Speaker 2>Australian political landscape, yeah, where it's like liberal labor, like

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<v Speaker 2>completely opposite parties, but one is not completely extreme. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the Donald Trump Republican is completely extreme. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>just a Republican. She's supporting Trump, which are two completely

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<v Speaker 2>different things in my point of view. Some of the

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<v Speaker 2>what we say and what the posts that she like,

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<v Speaker 2>like mass deportation that could like genuinely affect people's lives,

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<v Speaker 2>Like people could literally be taken up and pushed overseas

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<v Speaker 2>back to quote unquote where they came from. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of scary and what my weird feeling towards this,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm trying to analyze because I couldn't really get,

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<v Speaker 2>was like I wasn't really paying attention when she did

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<v Speaker 2>the Miss Americana democratically or when she supported Biden. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's something in me that has been holding on for

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<v Speaker 2>her to say something about Carla Harris because I love

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Swift. I love her music. I listen like always

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<v Speaker 2>on my Spotify top five and I think with Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris being a black woman person of color, there's something

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<v Speaker 2>in me that's like, if Taylor Swift it publicly endorses Karmla,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something in me that will just immediately relax. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something in me that right now feels like and

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<v Speaker 2>I struggle saying this out loud because I know we

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<v Speaker 2>have swiftiers who are listening, but there's something in me

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<v Speaker 2>right now that says that Taylor Swift is not for

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<v Speaker 2>all women. Yeah, and one of those women is me.

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<v Speaker 2>And then once she like endorses Kamla Harris, I feel accepted.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one hundred percent. One hundred percent. I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>a really fair thing to say. And I think that

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<v Speaker 3>you can hold two things at once, And you can

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<v Speaker 3>like Taylor Swift's music and think she's a great performer,

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<v Speaker 3>but also feel like she has this platform and it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't feel like she is using it to speak to

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<v Speaker 3>all of her fans equally. And that's something that I've

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<v Speaker 3>always thought about Taylor Sif too, is that it's also

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<v Speaker 3>hard because I don't expect her to speak on everything,

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<v Speaker 3>but I do feel that a lot of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that she does speak on relate back to her in

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<v Speaker 3>a strong way in terms of, like this person said

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<v Speaker 3>that I couldn't do this, so I prove them wrong

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<v Speaker 3>and that's a win for all women, Or like this

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<v Speaker 3>person tried to take this money away from me, so

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<v Speaker 3>I did this and that's a win for all of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And those are very empowering messages, but it's always very

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<v Speaker 3>much centered on her and her position, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not for all women. It's for a very specific

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<v Speaker 2>type of women. And we always say she's a smart person,

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<v Speaker 2>she's brilliant. If she's seen doing something, it's because she

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be seen. So the fact that she wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be seen embracing Brittany Mahomes, I think just says

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<v Speaker 2>something completely different to what I originally thought about her.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. I think that's a really important point. And

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<v Speaker 3>like I said, I don't think it can be boiled

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<v Speaker 3>down to like calling Taylor sitch out or hating her,

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<v Speaker 3>like literally, no one's saying that. It's literally having an

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<v Speaker 3>important conversation about a woman of extreme influence and what

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<v Speaker 3>her role the next few months is going to be.

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<v Speaker 3>And like you say, yes, it's the American election, We're

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<v Speaker 3>not there and we don't vote in it, but it

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<v Speaker 3>does have a far reaching effect for all her fans

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<v Speaker 3>across the world in terms of like her behavior and

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<v Speaker 3>who she endorses.

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<v Speaker 2>So there were a lot of more photos from that

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<v Speaker 2>us open, not all of it was doom and glim.

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<v Speaker 2>We did do an episode yesterday on Taylor and Travis

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<v Speaker 2>and their relationship and our theories behind that. We will

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<v Speaker 2>link that in our show notes. Spiller's I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>jump in again after reading Taylor's endorsement post, since I

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<v Speaker 2>did talk so strongly about how this is the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing I've been holding out for so earlier. Today she

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<v Speaker 2>did post on Instagram a photo of her and one

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<v Speaker 2>of her beautiful cats, and she posted this straight after

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<v Speaker 2>the presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. She

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<v Speaker 2>talked about how she was made away recently that an

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<v Speaker 2>AI photo of herself was posted on Donald Trump's Truth

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<v Speaker 2>social site, looking like that she was endorsing him. She

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about her fear of AI, and then she did

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<v Speaker 2>say that I will be casting my vote for Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris and Tim Walt in the twenty twenty four presidential election.

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<v Speaker 2>And she talked about encouraging people to do their research

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<v Speaker 2>before they vote and to register. She also signed it

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<v Speaker 2>off with Taylor Swift Childless Cat Lady, which I absolutely loved.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did talk about how I was expecting this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of sense of relief if she did endorse Karmla

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<v Speaker 2>Harris in the podcast, and I would say that I

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<v Speaker 2>do experience that, like I have felt kind of like, oh, finally,

0:24:17.824 --> 0:24:20.704
<v Speaker 2>like she's done it. Now I can like feel welcomed

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<v Speaker 2>into this all women club that Taylor Swift says she's four.

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<v Speaker 2>I did talk about how I felt like when she

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<v Speaker 2>would make songs and speak on the right of all women,

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<v Speaker 2>I never felt included in that. And there is a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of me that does feel included, and that inclusion

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<v Speaker 2>kind of replaces the ickness of how I felt when

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<v Speaker 2>I saw those images of her hugging Brittany Mahomes. I

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<v Speaker 2>do still feel that she could have endorsed Kamla earlier on,

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<v Speaker 2>similar to how she did with Biden. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>am actually quite relieved that she has, in the end

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<v Speaker 2>done this. Thank you so much for listening to the

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<v Speaker 2>Spool today. We will be back here in your podcast

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<v Speaker 2>feed at three pm tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye, Lane.