Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma
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Speaker 2: So on today's episode, I share some opinions about Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift and Brittany mahomes friendship and I still stand by those. However,
Speaker 2: this episode was recorded before Taylor Swift announced her endorsement
Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris, so please keep that in mind when
Speaker 2: you listen from Mamma Maya. Welcome to the Spill your
Speaker 2: daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1: I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick.
Speaker 2: On the show today, we are talking about Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: at the US Open. We have talked about her at
Speaker 2: the US Open before, but we're talking about a photo
Speaker 2: of her hugging Brittany Mahomes. We break everything down for you. Plus,
Speaker 2: Beyonce has been snubbed at the Country Music Awards.
Speaker 3: But first but first, So a few days ago, the
Speaker 3: cast for the new season of the America Dancing with
Speaker 3: the Stars was announced. That's a huge show in America
Speaker 3: still and the casting is always a really big deal.
Speaker 3: But this time around, one person and one photo in
Speaker 3: particular made headlines and that is fake Heiress and Adelvi,
Speaker 3: who is in the new season, and there was a
Speaker 3: photo of her. I think people were losing their minds
Speaker 3: over because obviously they released like a dancing you know,
Speaker 3: portrait at each person who's competing, and hers very prominently
Speaker 3: had on display a chic little black ankorn monitor wrapped
Speaker 3: around her leg.
Speaker 2: So she's gonna be dancing with the ankle monitor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has. I think that's the whole point of
Speaker 1: an ankle monitor.
Speaker 3: Haven't personally worn one, but that you have to keep
Speaker 3: it on all times and lets the police know if
Speaker 3: he moves away from the arena floor, she'll get pinged.
Speaker 2: Oh I wonder if she could put like a sleeve
Speaker 2: on top of it so it's not as like prominent.
Speaker 3: I think the way the photo has done, it's meant
Speaker 3: to be prominent, and you can just tell that she's
Speaker 3: loving So everyone was like, this is iconic, this is amazing.
Speaker 3: We love it because people, I think even love her
Speaker 3: even more so after the whole Netflix show came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those weird sessions, like I remember
Speaker 2: when that movie of zach Efron where he acted as
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy. Yeah, the wickedly. Oh yeah, yeah, the one
Speaker 2: with the longest title ever. And like how everyone kind
Speaker 2: of got a re obsession with Ted Bundy forgetting that
Speaker 2: he was a serial.
Speaker 3: I have a slight issue with comparing Anna Delby and
Speaker 3: Ted Bundy.
Speaker 1: But a serial killer. Yeah, moving right past that.
Speaker 3: So even some of you friends, I know what posting
Speaker 3: this photo being like this is like conic, this is amazing.
Speaker 3: And then the women on the View, so the American
Speaker 3: talk show had a slightly different approach, particularly Whoopy Goldberg,
Speaker 3: who is a panelist on the show, and she was
Speaker 3: talking about how it wasn't the best move and that
Speaker 3: Anna hasn't paid people back. And today Anna has given
Speaker 3: an interview to page six basically calling Whoopy Goldberg and
Speaker 3: the viewwomen out, and she said, I served my time
Speaker 3: and I paid everyone back in full over three years ago.
Speaker 3: Of Woopy Goldberg, she said, I'm looking forward to your
Speaker 3: on air correction. And then she said to the View ladies,
Speaker 3: like her final message was stay nasty, ladies, but don't
Speaker 3: forget to vote. September seventeen.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she loves it.
Speaker 3: Though she would have loved that again, she would have
Speaker 3: loved the attention around it. But what I think is
Speaker 3: kind of been lost in this conversation a little bit,
Speaker 3: and that everyone's like, yeah, down with Woopye Goldberg, Like
Speaker 3: how dare she call out Anna Delvi? And so many
Speaker 3: people I think find Anna delviy, Like not just because
Speaker 3: of her crimes of like impersonating a rich heiress and
Speaker 3: all that sort of thing, Like it's such an intoxicating story.
Speaker 3: I can tell why people are so obsessed with it,
Speaker 3: but also because she was taking money from rich people
Speaker 3: in banks. It's kind of like she's a modern day
Speaker 3: Robin Hood, Like she's a criminal we can get behind.
Speaker 3: But I think, Whoopi Goldberg, her actual message has been
Speaker 3: lost in this hole back and forth of like current
Speaker 3: Anna Delvey calling each other out, because what the actual
Speaker 3: point of her message of saying that she feels uncomfortable
Speaker 3: seeing Annadelvi on Dancing with the Stars is that Anna
Speaker 3: Delvi had to get permission from ICE in America, which
Speaker 3: is the Immigration and Customs Enforcement team, had to get
Speaker 3: permission from them to compete in all this back and forth,
Speaker 3: and Whoopy Goldberg was saying, you know, I just think
Speaker 3: of all the families who've had their family members arrested
Speaker 3: by ICE, who have gone to the courts begging for
Speaker 3: their dad or their brother, or their mother or someone
Speaker 3: they love.
Speaker 2: Literally like ripped away from them.
Speaker 1: And then we've seen it again. That's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing we see from ICE in America. Is that.
Speaker 3: Obviously, I know that's a very kind of lad situation,
Speaker 3: but there are all these reports and these news stories
Speaker 3: that have come out of someone who has lived in
Speaker 3: America most of their life showing up to work one
Speaker 3: day being taken by Ice, being deported, being held in custody.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who are like fighting to
Speaker 3: get family members back or fighting to like get their
Speaker 3: immigration status changed. It's a very contentious human rights issue.
Speaker 3: And what Woopee was saying is she's like, I'm thinking
Speaker 3: of all these people who are fighting to get their
Speaker 3: families back, and then this woman has been given permission
Speaker 3: by ICE to do Dancing with the Stars, Like it
Speaker 3: feels like a double standard, and it just feels like
Speaker 3: a slap in the face to a lot of people
Speaker 3: in America who are facing this issue.
Speaker 2: It's also just like so telling and I have to
Speaker 2: be that person to say it, like, would she be
Speaker 2: given that permission if she had different colored skin. Absolutely not,
Speaker 2: and it's just insane. Do we get dancing at the
Speaker 2: stars here like the American American version. I'm sure you
Speaker 2: could find a way to streamers you want to watch it,
Speaker 2: You'll see the clips. The clips will be all like,
Speaker 2: I hope, like this is a massive for them. And
Speaker 2: then she gets kicked off for the first episode.
Speaker 3: Well, another big story that we must address today. Because
Speaker 3: you and I are quite fired up about this. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna put it out there that I am until
Speaker 3: this day, I have never had an opinion about country music.
Speaker 3: Who she went awards, Who's at the top of the charts?
Speaker 1: Ipt?
Speaker 3: I respect country music, but it's not my genre of choice.
Speaker 3: But now I'm all in. I have thoughts and I
Speaker 3: have opinions, and that is because Beyonce Beyonce nos Karter.
Speaker 3: I guess it has been snubbed at the Country Music Awards.
Speaker 3: The Country Music Award nominations have come out. This is
Speaker 3: like the Grammys for country music, like the biggest, most
Speaker 3: prestigious awards ceremony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: They always draw a lot of big names, and she
Speaker 3: has performed before. She has performed there before. So her
Speaker 3: album Cowboy Carter failed to Land a single nomination when
Speaker 3: the nominations were released today. And if you're not across
Speaker 3: how the CMAS work. Basically like any of the big
Speaker 3: awards shows, Emmys, Oscars, Grammys, all that sort of thing,
Speaker 3: they're voted on each year by like a group of
Speaker 3: people who are in the Country Music Association. In this case,
Speaker 3: there's seven three hundred individuals and there's three different rounds
Speaker 3: of balloting, so like you know, to get the first
Speaker 3: round of nomination's, second round, then the actual winner. This
Speaker 3: is not a public vote, no, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 1: A public vote at all.
Speaker 3: It's by people in the music industry, kind of like
Speaker 3: how the Grammys is also voted by people in the
Speaker 3: music industry, and there's been a lot of contention around
Speaker 3: who is deemed worthy from them as well. So going
Speaker 3: back to Cowboy Karter, it is the first album by
Speaker 3: a black woman to reach number one on the Billboard
Speaker 3: Top Country Charts, which is a huge history making moment
Speaker 3: at the time. Also, the single Texas Hold a Great
Speaker 3: Song became the first song by a black woman to
Speaker 3: get the top spot on Billboard's Country Song chart, and
Speaker 3: it also charted in all different areas as well. But
Speaker 3: the fact that it was charting on those country music
Speaker 3: charts and then it broke those records and made her
Speaker 3: the first black woman to achieve that was a huge
Speaker 3: moment in musical history. And also Beyonce was also really
Speaker 3: passionate about pointing out that other women of color had
Speaker 3: been in the country music space, but you know, they
Speaker 3: had been held back from charting or having their music
Speaker 3: out there or being given awards, and she kind of
Speaker 3: pulled that all together and was like, yeah, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of doing it for all of us, which is a
Speaker 3: nice sentiment as much as we saw all these record
Speaker 3: breaking moments for Cowboy Carter, though, it was given like
Speaker 3: quite a limited promotion on country music stations, which was
Speaker 3: quite interesting. So music stations that are dedicated just to
Speaker 3: playing country music and a kind of scene as the
Speaker 3: taste makers in that area would barely play it. There's
Speaker 3: reports of people calling in and requesting songs from Cowboy
Speaker 3: Carter and they're being told they weren't going to be played.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of wildly believed that the airplay on
Speaker 3: those country music charts is going to, I guess change
Speaker 3: the industry's mind who vote for the awards more so
Speaker 3: than play on mainstream music channels, which has all resulted
Speaker 3: in her being snubbed from these awards, even though Beyonce
Speaker 3: said that Cowboy Carter wasn't strictly a country music album.
Speaker 3: Remember how she's like, it's not a country music album,
Speaker 3: it's a Beyonce album.
Speaker 1: Because she's a genre or herself.
Speaker 3: It does technique sit within the country music charts, and
Speaker 3: that's why everyone's like, well, it definitely should have been nominated.
Speaker 2: Some of those songs on her album was like, sounded
Speaker 2: more country than Taylor Swift Feelless. Yeah, like that that
Speaker 2: was a country album.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And on one hand, a lot
Speaker 3: of people are saying, like, you know, she's Beyonce. She
Speaker 3: is known as one of the greatest musicians of our time.
Speaker 3: She sells out stadiums, her albums are so critically acclaimed.
Speaker 3: People love her, like does she need this? But I
Speaker 3: think it's not about Beyonce. It's more about the overlooked
Speaker 3: legacy of black women, black men, and women, but particularly
Speaker 3: I think black women in the country music industry. And
Speaker 3: I think also coming off the back of the Grammys
Speaker 3: and that big discussion we had this year, and we've
Speaker 3: been having for years around her being really snubbed by
Speaker 3: the Grammys in multiple categories. I mean, she's never been
Speaker 3: nominated for Artists of the Year, She's been snubbed over
Speaker 3: four times for Album of the Year and additional eight
Speaker 3: times for Record of the Year. Like the Grammys have
Speaker 3: really become about the We're not the Beyonce club, like
Speaker 3: is their tagline.
Speaker 2: It had to take her husband jay Z to say something,
Speaker 2: and even then people were annoyed at him, like how
Speaker 2: dare he say something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how dare he get up and make that moment
Speaker 3: about the fact that she'd been snubbed, But it had
Speaker 3: been a conversation had been happening for years, Like as
Speaker 3: we said the time, infamously, Adele made her whole acceptance
Speaker 3: speech about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually quite interesting because she is so smart,
Speaker 2: Like she is so brilliant. And I have a theory
Speaker 2: that she knew exactly what was going to happen. I
Speaker 2: have a theory that she knew she wouldn't be nominated
Speaker 2: at the Country Music Awards, and this was her way
Speaker 2: of saying, I told you so. Yeah, Like I've given
Speaker 2: you all the evidence. There's no reason that these radio
Speaker 2: shows should not be playing my music. There's no reason
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be nominated for an award or win an award.
Speaker 2: We saw the massive backlash she had when she performed
Speaker 2: at the CMAS, Like people hated her for that. I
Speaker 2: do remember I recommended a week in Watch, which was
Speaker 2: a short documentary on Binge. It was called Call Me Country,
Speaker 2: Beyonce and Nashville's Renaissance, and they interviewed a lot of
Speaker 2: black artists and musicians and they were talking about how
Speaker 2: important this album was not just for like Beyonce and
Speaker 2: country music, but also just generating wealth within black musicians
Speaker 2: who do perform country music, like the amount of backgrounds
Speaker 2: in because she's hired banjo plays violinists who are all black,
Speaker 2: who actually had an opportunity to kind of show their
Speaker 2: song and show their music. And it's just such a
Speaker 2: shame because like, by snubbing her at the CMAS, you're
Speaker 2: snubbing an entire group of people.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, guess off to see when the CMAS take
Speaker 3: place who actually wins in those categories. But I think
Speaker 3: this is and we should say the time of recording,
Speaker 3: Beyonce hasn't commented, and she won't comment, like she won't.
Speaker 2: She's done it. She knows exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she knows what we're saying. But I think it
Speaker 3: just goes to show that even like one of the
Speaker 3: most powerful, successful women in the world can still be
Speaker 3: pushed out of a category because her work isn't seen
Speaker 3: as worthy.
Speaker 1: What d.
Speaker 2: So you might have seen online there have been some
Speaker 2: photos circulating of Taylor. Firstly, there's photos of her and
Speaker 2: her partner Travis Kelcey. I'm not talking about this photus.
Speaker 2: We already talked about those.
Speaker 1: Oh, we talked to those in depth.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a photo of her embracing a woman
Speaker 2: named Brittany Mahomes. Have we talked about Brittany Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have.
Speaker 3: And, like everything else to do with this sport in America,
Speaker 3: like many other people in the world, I wasn't aware
Speaker 3: that all of these people existed until the whole Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift fandom kind of merged with the NFL.
Speaker 1: But I do know that she is the wife of.
Speaker 2: Patrick Patrick Mahomes, who is the star quarterback. That's the
Speaker 2: start I think that's the right word, like the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Is the start star and the team of the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Chiefs that Travis Kelcey also plays.
Speaker 3: And they acquired a famous couple right their lifestyle. They've
Speaker 3: got this kind of glam going on, rich beautiful people.
Speaker 3: One of their kids is named Bronze. I don't know
Speaker 3: that Bronze and Sterling, I do believe. And I know
Speaker 3: she's having another baby, So which I want her to
Speaker 3: call a Copper or something?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah, yeah, Copper's such a good one.
Speaker 3: Actually, this is the information, Like I haven't sought out
Speaker 3: this information, This is the information that permeated my mind
Speaker 3: since the NFL became part of the Taylor Swift Show.
Speaker 2: Anyway continued, So, yes, so Patrick Mahomes Travis Kelcey play
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs together. They're also very close friends, which
Speaker 2: is why Britney Mahomes, Patrick's wife and Taylor Swift, Travis
Speaker 2: Kelsey's partner, how also friends. So they're friends by proxy
Speaker 2: and from photos and like them hanging out, it started
Speaker 2: to look like they became like really close, Like I
Speaker 2: think she was part of Taylor's girl gang.
Speaker 3: Yes, all those photos started coming out months ago of
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift out and about New York after it was
Speaker 3: confirmed she was dating Travis Kelsey and Brittany was in
Speaker 3: a lot of those photos, sometimes like holding hands with
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, and then I was like, she's in.
Speaker 2: She's in, she's in. They've been going to the games
Speaker 2: together previously. It's been all good. So what has happened now?
Speaker 2: I'm going to take you through a bit of a timeline.
Speaker 2: Great is that Donald Trump posted on Instagram a tile
Speaker 2: that has all the things he wants to do when
Speaker 2: he becomes president. So the title of it was the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four GOP platform Make America Great Again, And
Speaker 2: in it was like a list of everything that he's
Speaker 2: going to do, so stuff like steal the border and
Speaker 2: stop the migrant invasion, carry out the largest deportation operation
Speaker 2: in American history, keep men out of women's sport, like
Speaker 2: just Donald Trump's staff. Basically, our friend Brittany liked that
Speaker 2: post and then unliked it. Oh, I mean, but because
Speaker 2: she was in with Taylor Swift and Taylorswift fans know
Speaker 2: everything that's going on. So I think what Taylorswoft fans
Speaker 2: do is that the minute someone is friends with Taylorswift,
Speaker 2: they also become big fans and are obsessed with that person.
Speaker 2: So everyone caught on on the like unlike. She then
Speaker 2: posted on her Instagram stories. I mean, honestly, to be
Speaker 2: a hater as an adult, you have to have some
Speaker 2: deep rooted issues you refuse to heal from childhood. There's
Speaker 2: no reason your brain is fully developed and you hate
Speaker 2: to see others doing well.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've seen so many people I follow
Speaker 3: have been reposting that ridiculous quote lately.
Speaker 1: Is that where it's coming from? From Retain?
Speaker 2: I think that's where it's coming from. So because she
Speaker 2: liked and unliked it, it wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: It is really weird, but not that big of a deal.
Speaker 3: She then posted because I guess she could say, did
Speaker 3: she just you know how someone's just calling the Instagram
Speaker 3: you actually liked it? Oh god, yeah, all quick now
Speaker 3: because yeah, yeah, pfile, Yes, I think maybe that could
Speaker 3: have been the issue. But then she posted a photo
Speaker 3: of herself. Someone commented Trump Vance twenty twenty four three
Speaker 3: American flags, and she liked that comment and you don't
Speaker 3: now on Instagram you can see because it says liked
Speaker 3: by author.
Speaker 2: Yeah so and she did not like it, so that's
Speaker 2: still there.
Speaker 1: So she meant to do it. It was a mistake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't a mistake. She then posted a tweet
Speaker 2: someone else's tweet on her Instagram stories with the caption
Speaker 2: read that again, and the tweet said, contrary to the
Speaker 2: tone of the world today, you can disagree with someone
Speaker 2: and still love them. You can have differing views and
Speaker 2: still be kind.
Speaker 1: Then ol Man Donald.
Speaker 2: Trump posted on his social media platform Truth Social. So
Speaker 2: I'm not on that platform, so it took me.
Speaker 1: A while at this Do you have an account?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: You signed up?
Speaker 2: Not signed up? I went through all the avenues to
Speaker 2: do it where I didn't have to sign up. He said.
Speaker 2: I want to thank beautiful Brittany maharme No for so
Speaker 2: strongly defending me and the fact that Make America Great
Speaker 2: Again is the greatest and most powerful political movement in
Speaker 2: the history of our now failing country. What a great couple.
Speaker 2: See you both at the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say about this, because I
Speaker 3: didn't expect Donal Donald Trump to actually be well.
Speaker 1: Of course he is. Of course he's involved in that.
Speaker 3: He would love to know that this woman who's seen
Speaker 3: this is like this, like glamorous woman that up until
Speaker 3: now so many people in America love.
Speaker 2: And directly adjacent to Taylor Swift. Yeah, exactly, the most
Speaker 2: powerful people in America who could swing so many votes.
Speaker 3: Exactly that he thinks that she's on her side. I
Speaker 3: wonder if Brittany Mahomes is seeing that and being like, oh,
Speaker 3: I just like to comment. I didn't mean for Donald
Speaker 3: Trump to make a statement about that.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing because she hasn't commented after made that course,
Speaker 2: and so we thought that this was okay because Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift was spotted at the Chiefs game by herself. Yes,
Speaker 2: so I think you can memorize the outfit, like the
Speaker 2: full denim, the big boots, star high boots. Usually she
Speaker 2: was seen with her like kind of posse, Brittany Mahomes
Speaker 2: and her family. She was always in the same booth
Speaker 2: as them all the time. Brittany Mahomes was at that game,
Speaker 2: but in a different booth. So we thought that was
Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift saying I've cut friendships, so we I'm
Speaker 2: not friends with this girl. And that's what leads us
Speaker 2: into the US Open where she publicly embraces Brittany in
Speaker 2: front of everyone to see and all the cameras and
Speaker 2: his beautiful high definition shots, so those rumors are put
Speaker 2: to rest. She's basically saying, I'm still friends with this woman.
Speaker 2: And it's just kind of unfortunate because up until now
Speaker 2: we've been constantly talking about and kind of discussing whether
Speaker 2: or whether or not Taylor Swift will publicly endorse Kamla Harris. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I have to say, I'm not invested in US
Speaker 2: politics and Taylor Swift as separate entities, but I am
Speaker 2: really invested in it together.
Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, she's an incredibly influential person. Like that's the
Speaker 3: thing is, like so many times with musicians or actors
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, you think, like, oh, should
Speaker 3: these people who are there to like make art and
Speaker 3: entertain us, should we be looking to them for like
Speaker 3: political guidance? And I think sometimes maybe not if they
Speaker 3: don't comment on it. It's okay, but it is unfortunate
Speaker 3: for Taylor Swift. Or also fortunate when you look at
Speaker 3: the fact that she's built this empire for herself, is
Speaker 3: that she's not just a musician or an actress. She
Speaker 3: is like one of the most influential people in the world,
Speaker 3: potentially the most influential person in America. Now, like that
Speaker 3: sounds like a ridiculous statement, but I'm sure it's true.
Speaker 3: It is true, and so everything she does matters, and
Speaker 3: what she thinks and says about politics matters as well,
Speaker 3: because the thing is, I'm sure a lot of her
Speaker 3: followers potentially might be thinking, like, I wouldn't vote for
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, but if she came out and endorsed him,
Speaker 3: which don't think she would do that, but if the
Speaker 3: thing is, if she did, she would swing the vote.
Speaker 3: Like that just is something that would happen, and so
Speaker 3: it is kind of interesting. I don't think we live
Speaker 3: in a world where you can say it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what she does.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, And what's really sad is that. So firstly,
Speaker 2: she historically has been very quiet about politics, ye until
Speaker 2: she released her documentary Miss Americana, where she was like
Speaker 2: shown like kind of like really emotionally talking to her
Speaker 2: dad and her business managers about how she just wants
Speaker 2: to say what she wants to say and how like
Speaker 2: she's so scared of what will happen to the country
Speaker 2: if she doesn't say something, and she's so passionate about that,
Speaker 2: And that's where we saw her kind of confirming that
Speaker 2: she does lean towards the Democratic Party. Yes, that was
Speaker 2: confirmed when she publicly endorsed Biden as well when he
Speaker 2: was running for president. And now we have Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: who's a black woman with Indian heritage running for president,
Speaker 2: and Taylor Swift says nothing, and the closest thing to
Speaker 2: a public political announcement we have is her hugging Brittany Mahomes,
Speaker 2: who was very publicly trump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because I guess there's a few other
Speaker 3: things to note. I can just imagine people listening to
Speaker 3: this episode. There's a few things that they want to say,
Speaker 3: so I might voice them so we can talk through them.
Speaker 3: I guess some people would saying, like, the election isn't
Speaker 3: quite yet, there's a few more months she could still endorse.
Speaker 3: There's that The other one be saying just because she's
Speaker 3: hugging her friend doesn't mean that she agrees with her,
Speaker 3: although a lot of people in America are sort of
Speaker 3: saying like, now is the time to say to people
Speaker 3: that if you're not supporting this particular political stance, and
Speaker 3: you're supporting someone who's going to potentially put my life
Speaker 3: in danger, then we actually can't be friends. So it's
Speaker 3: become that too but I'm sure a lot of people
Speaker 3: would say, is she really just not going to be
Speaker 3: friends with Brittany because she's liking some Instagram posts and
Speaker 3: she shouldn't be seen with her in public? Like that
Speaker 3: seems like a big leap in one case. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying I agree with that, but I'm I'm saying, like,
Speaker 3: I feel like that's what people would be thinking listening
Speaker 3: to this conversation.
Speaker 2: I think similar to what you said about like she's
Speaker 2: just friends with her, she doesn't have to believe everything
Speaker 2: she says.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that could be.
Speaker 2: Said for like if we're in like I guess an
Speaker 2: Australian political landscape, yeah, where it's like liberal labor, like
Speaker 2: completely opposite parties, but one is not completely extreme. I
Speaker 2: think the Donald Trump Republican is completely extreme. She's not
Speaker 2: just a Republican. She's supporting Trump, which are two completely
Speaker 2: different things in my point of view. Some of the
Speaker 2: what we say and what the posts that she like,
Speaker 2: like mass deportation that could like genuinely affect people's lives,
Speaker 2: Like people could literally be taken up and pushed overseas
Speaker 2: back to quote unquote where they came from. It's just
Speaker 2: like kind of scary and what my weird feeling towards this,
Speaker 2: which I'm trying to analyze because I couldn't really get,
Speaker 2: was like I wasn't really paying attention when she did
Speaker 2: the Miss Americana democratically or when she supported Biden. But
Speaker 2: there's something in me that has been holding on for
Speaker 2: her to say something about Carla Harris because I love
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. I love her music. I listen like always
Speaker 2: on my Spotify top five and I think with Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris being a black woman person of color, there's something
Speaker 2: in me that's like, if Taylor Swift it publicly endorses Karmla,
Speaker 2: there's something in me that will just immediately relax. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something in me that right now feels like and
Speaker 2: I struggle saying this out loud because I know we
Speaker 2: have swiftiers who are listening, but there's something in me
Speaker 2: right now that says that Taylor Swift is not for
Speaker 2: all women. Yeah, and one of those women is me.
Speaker 2: And then once she like endorses Kamla Harris, I feel accepted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. One hundred percent. I think that's
Speaker 3: a really fair thing to say. And I think that
Speaker 3: you can hold two things at once, And you can
Speaker 3: like Taylor Swift's music and think she's a great performer,
Speaker 3: but also feel like she has this platform and it
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like she is using it to speak to
Speaker 3: all of her fans equally. And that's something that I've
Speaker 3: always thought about Taylor Sif too, is that it's also
Speaker 3: hard because I don't expect her to speak on everything,
Speaker 3: but I do feel that a lot of the things
Speaker 3: that she does speak on relate back to her in
Speaker 3: a strong way in terms of, like this person said
Speaker 3: that I couldn't do this, so I prove them wrong
Speaker 3: and that's a win for all women, Or like this
Speaker 3: person tried to take this money away from me, so
Speaker 3: I did this and that's a win for all of it.
Speaker 3: And those are very empowering messages, but it's always very
Speaker 3: much centered on her and her position, and.
Speaker 2: It's not for all women. It's for a very specific
Speaker 2: type of women. And we always say she's a smart person,
Speaker 2: she's brilliant. If she's seen doing something, it's because she
Speaker 2: wants to be seen. So the fact that she wanted
Speaker 2: to be seen embracing Brittany Mahomes, I think just says
Speaker 2: something completely different to what I originally thought about her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I think that's a really important point. And
Speaker 3: like I said, I don't think it can be boiled
Speaker 3: down to like calling Taylor sitch out or hating her,
Speaker 3: like literally, no one's saying that. It's literally having an
Speaker 3: important conversation about a woman of extreme influence and what
Speaker 3: her role the next few months is going to be.
Speaker 3: And like you say, yes, it's the American election, We're
Speaker 3: not there and we don't vote in it, but it
Speaker 3: does have a far reaching effect for all her fans
Speaker 3: across the world in terms of like her behavior and
Speaker 3: who she endorses.
Speaker 2: So there were a lot of more photos from that
Speaker 2: us open, not all of it was doom and glim.
Speaker 2: We did do an episode yesterday on Taylor and Travis
Speaker 2: and their relationship and our theories behind that. We will
Speaker 2: link that in our show notes. Spiller's I thought I
Speaker 2: jump in again after reading Taylor's endorsement post, since I
Speaker 2: did talk so strongly about how this is the one
Speaker 2: thing I've been holding out for so earlier. Today she
Speaker 2: did post on Instagram a photo of her and one
Speaker 2: of her beautiful cats, and she posted this straight after
Speaker 2: the presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. She
Speaker 2: talked about how she was made away recently that an
Speaker 2: AI photo of herself was posted on Donald Trump's Truth
Speaker 2: social site, looking like that she was endorsing him. She
Speaker 2: spoke about her fear of AI, and then she did
Speaker 2: say that I will be casting my vote for Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris and Tim Walt in the twenty twenty four presidential election.
Speaker 2: And she talked about encouraging people to do their research
Speaker 2: before they vote and to register. She also signed it
Speaker 2: off with Taylor Swift Childless Cat Lady, which I absolutely loved.
Speaker 2: But I did talk about how I was expecting this
Speaker 2: kind of sense of relief if she did endorse Karmla
Speaker 2: Harris in the podcast, and I would say that I
Speaker 2: do experience that, like I have felt kind of like, oh, finally,
Speaker 2: like she's done it. Now I can like feel welcomed
Speaker 2: into this all women club that Taylor Swift says she's four.
Speaker 2: I did talk about how I felt like when she
Speaker 2: would make songs and speak on the right of all women,
Speaker 2: I never felt included in that. And there is a
Speaker 2: bit of me that does feel included, and that inclusion
Speaker 2: kind of replaces the ickness of how I felt when
Speaker 2: I saw those images of her hugging Brittany Mahomes. I
Speaker 2: do still feel that she could have endorsed Kamla earlier on,
Speaker 2: similar to how she did with Biden. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: am actually quite relieved that she has, in the end
Speaker 2: done this. Thank you so much for listening to the
Speaker 2: Spool today. We will be back here in your podcast
Speaker 2: feed at three pm tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Bye bye, Lane.