1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:21,704 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on Hey spill is. 4 00:00:21,664 --> 00:00:25,984 Speaker 2: So on today's episode, I share some opinions about Taylor 5 00:00:26,064 --> 00:00:30,224 Speaker 2: Swift and Brittany mahomes friendship and I still stand by those. However, 6 00:00:30,304 --> 00:00:34,464 Speaker 2: this episode was recorded before Taylor Swift announced her endorsement 7 00:00:34,544 --> 00:00:37,424 Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris, so please keep that in mind when 8 00:00:37,424 --> 00:00:45,224 Speaker 2: you listen from Mamma Maya. Welcome to the Spill your 9 00:00:45,304 --> 00:00:46,664 Speaker 2: daily pop culture fix. 10 00:00:46,904 --> 00:00:48,904 Speaker 1: I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick. 11 00:00:49,024 --> 00:00:51,824 Speaker 2: On the show today, we are talking about Taylor Swift 12 00:00:51,864 --> 00:00:53,704 Speaker 2: at the US Open. We have talked about her at 13 00:00:53,744 --> 00:00:56,704 Speaker 2: the US Open before, but we're talking about a photo 14 00:00:56,784 --> 00:01:01,304 Speaker 2: of her hugging Brittany Mahomes. We break everything down for you. Plus, 15 00:01:01,304 --> 00:01:04,464 Speaker 2: Beyonce has been snubbed at the Country Music Awards. 16 00:01:04,504 --> 00:01:07,944 Speaker 3: But first but first, So a few days ago, the 17 00:01:08,144 --> 00:01:11,064 Speaker 3: cast for the new season of the America Dancing with 18 00:01:11,104 --> 00:01:14,064 Speaker 3: the Stars was announced. That's a huge show in America 19 00:01:14,224 --> 00:01:17,504 Speaker 3: still and the casting is always a really big deal. 20 00:01:17,904 --> 00:01:20,704 Speaker 3: But this time around, one person and one photo in 21 00:01:20,744 --> 00:01:24,824 Speaker 3: particular made headlines and that is fake Heiress and Adelvi, 22 00:01:25,544 --> 00:01:27,824 Speaker 3: who is in the new season, and there was a 23 00:01:27,864 --> 00:01:29,584 Speaker 3: photo of her. I think people were losing their minds 24 00:01:29,624 --> 00:01:31,624 Speaker 3: over because obviously they released like a dancing you know, 25 00:01:31,704 --> 00:01:36,144 Speaker 3: portrait at each person who's competing, and hers very prominently 26 00:01:36,184 --> 00:01:39,704 Speaker 3: had on display a chic little black ankorn monitor wrapped 27 00:01:39,704 --> 00:01:40,864 Speaker 3: around her leg. 28 00:01:41,024 --> 00:01:43,304 Speaker 2: So she's gonna be dancing with the ankle monitor. 29 00:01:43,424 --> 00:01:44,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, she has. I think that's the whole point of 30 00:01:44,784 --> 00:01:45,504 Speaker 1: an ankle monitor. 31 00:01:45,664 --> 00:01:47,904 Speaker 3: Haven't personally worn one, but that you have to keep 32 00:01:47,904 --> 00:01:50,304 Speaker 3: it on all times and lets the police know if 33 00:01:50,304 --> 00:01:52,904 Speaker 3: he moves away from the arena floor, she'll get pinged. 34 00:01:52,984 --> 00:01:54,824 Speaker 2: Oh I wonder if she could put like a sleeve 35 00:01:54,944 --> 00:01:57,304 Speaker 2: on top of it so it's not as like prominent. 36 00:01:57,544 --> 00:01:59,304 Speaker 3: I think the way the photo has done, it's meant 37 00:01:59,344 --> 00:02:01,064 Speaker 3: to be prominent, and you can just tell that she's 38 00:02:01,104 --> 00:02:03,904 Speaker 3: loving So everyone was like, this is iconic, this is amazing. 39 00:02:03,944 --> 00:02:06,344 Speaker 3: We love it because people, I think even love her 40 00:02:06,344 --> 00:02:08,544 Speaker 3: even more so after the whole Netflix show came out. 41 00:02:08,744 --> 00:02:11,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those weird sessions, like I remember 42 00:02:11,744 --> 00:02:14,584 Speaker 2: when that movie of zach Efron where he acted as 43 00:02:14,664 --> 00:02:19,024 Speaker 2: Ted Bundy. Yeah, the wickedly. Oh yeah, yeah, the one 44 00:02:19,024 --> 00:02:21,744 Speaker 2: with the longest title ever. And like how everyone kind 45 00:02:21,744 --> 00:02:24,344 Speaker 2: of got a re obsession with Ted Bundy forgetting that 46 00:02:24,424 --> 00:02:25,704 Speaker 2: he was a serial. 47 00:02:25,864 --> 00:02:28,224 Speaker 3: I have a slight issue with comparing Anna Delby and 48 00:02:28,264 --> 00:02:29,184 Speaker 3: Ted Bundy. 49 00:02:28,864 --> 00:02:31,224 Speaker 1: But a serial killer. Yeah, moving right past that. 50 00:02:31,344 --> 00:02:33,144 Speaker 3: So even some of you friends, I know what posting 51 00:02:33,144 --> 00:02:35,184 Speaker 3: this photo being like this is like conic, this is amazing. 52 00:02:35,584 --> 00:02:37,544 Speaker 3: And then the women on the View, so the American 53 00:02:37,584 --> 00:02:41,104 Speaker 3: talk show had a slightly different approach, particularly Whoopy Goldberg, 54 00:02:41,144 --> 00:02:43,744 Speaker 3: who is a panelist on the show, and she was 55 00:02:43,784 --> 00:02:46,184 Speaker 3: talking about how it wasn't the best move and that 56 00:02:46,264 --> 00:02:48,904 Speaker 3: Anna hasn't paid people back. And today Anna has given 57 00:02:48,904 --> 00:02:52,824 Speaker 3: an interview to page six basically calling Whoopy Goldberg and 58 00:02:52,864 --> 00:02:55,744 Speaker 3: the viewwomen out, and she said, I served my time 59 00:02:55,784 --> 00:02:58,944 Speaker 3: and I paid everyone back in full over three years ago. 60 00:02:59,384 --> 00:03:01,664 Speaker 3: Of Woopy Goldberg, she said, I'm looking forward to your 61 00:03:01,664 --> 00:03:04,504 Speaker 3: on air correction. And then she said to the View ladies, 62 00:03:04,544 --> 00:03:07,104 Speaker 3: like her final message was stay nasty, ladies, but don't 63 00:03:07,104 --> 00:03:08,744 Speaker 3: forget to vote. September seventeen. 64 00:03:08,984 --> 00:03:11,504 Speaker 2: Oh my god, she loves it. 65 00:03:11,544 --> 00:03:13,424 Speaker 3: Though she would have loved that again, she would have 66 00:03:13,464 --> 00:03:15,824 Speaker 3: loved the attention around it. But what I think is 67 00:03:15,864 --> 00:03:17,944 Speaker 3: kind of been lost in this conversation a little bit, 68 00:03:17,984 --> 00:03:20,504 Speaker 3: and that everyone's like, yeah, down with Woopye Goldberg, Like 69 00:03:20,544 --> 00:03:23,264 Speaker 3: how dare she call out Anna Delvi? And so many 70 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:25,744 Speaker 3: people I think find Anna delviy, Like not just because 71 00:03:25,744 --> 00:03:28,784 Speaker 3: of her crimes of like impersonating a rich heiress and 72 00:03:28,864 --> 00:03:31,264 Speaker 3: all that sort of thing, Like it's such an intoxicating story. 73 00:03:31,304 --> 00:03:33,264 Speaker 3: I can tell why people are so obsessed with it, 74 00:03:33,464 --> 00:03:35,744 Speaker 3: but also because she was taking money from rich people 75 00:03:35,744 --> 00:03:37,784 Speaker 3: in banks. It's kind of like she's a modern day 76 00:03:37,864 --> 00:03:40,344 Speaker 3: Robin Hood, Like she's a criminal we can get behind. 77 00:03:40,504 --> 00:03:43,464 Speaker 3: But I think, Whoopi Goldberg, her actual message has been 78 00:03:43,544 --> 00:03:46,264 Speaker 3: lost in this hole back and forth of like current 79 00:03:46,304 --> 00:03:49,224 Speaker 3: Anna Delvey calling each other out, because what the actual 80 00:03:49,264 --> 00:03:51,504 Speaker 3: point of her message of saying that she feels uncomfortable 81 00:03:51,504 --> 00:03:54,304 Speaker 3: seeing Annadelvi on Dancing with the Stars is that Anna 82 00:03:54,304 --> 00:03:57,184 Speaker 3: Delvi had to get permission from ICE in America, which 83 00:03:57,224 --> 00:03:59,544 Speaker 3: is the Immigration and Customs Enforcement team, had to get 84 00:03:59,664 --> 00:04:02,024 Speaker 3: permission from them to compete in all this back and forth, 85 00:04:02,344 --> 00:04:04,784 Speaker 3: and Whoopy Goldberg was saying, you know, I just think 86 00:04:04,824 --> 00:04:08,664 Speaker 3: of all the families who've had their family members arrested 87 00:04:08,704 --> 00:04:11,344 Speaker 3: by ICE, who have gone to the courts begging for 88 00:04:11,384 --> 00:04:13,704 Speaker 3: their dad or their brother, or their mother or someone 89 00:04:13,704 --> 00:04:14,344 Speaker 3: they love. 90 00:04:14,584 --> 00:04:15,984 Speaker 2: Literally like ripped away from them. 91 00:04:16,024 --> 00:04:17,864 Speaker 1: And then we've seen it again. That's the kind of 92 00:04:17,864 --> 00:04:19,384 Speaker 1: thing we see from ICE in America. Is that. 93 00:04:19,504 --> 00:04:21,544 Speaker 3: Obviously, I know that's a very kind of lad situation, 94 00:04:21,624 --> 00:04:24,144 Speaker 3: but there are all these reports and these news stories 95 00:04:24,184 --> 00:04:26,224 Speaker 3: that have come out of someone who has lived in 96 00:04:26,304 --> 00:04:28,664 Speaker 3: America most of their life showing up to work one 97 00:04:28,744 --> 00:04:31,424 Speaker 3: day being taken by Ice, being deported, being held in custody. 98 00:04:31,624 --> 00:04:33,424 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who are like fighting to 99 00:04:33,424 --> 00:04:35,824 Speaker 3: get family members back or fighting to like get their 100 00:04:35,864 --> 00:04:39,584 Speaker 3: immigration status changed. It's a very contentious human rights issue. 101 00:04:39,744 --> 00:04:41,424 Speaker 3: And what Woopee was saying is she's like, I'm thinking 102 00:04:41,464 --> 00:04:43,464 Speaker 3: of all these people who are fighting to get their 103 00:04:43,504 --> 00:04:45,984 Speaker 3: families back, and then this woman has been given permission 104 00:04:46,024 --> 00:04:47,584 Speaker 3: by ICE to do Dancing with the Stars, Like it 105 00:04:47,624 --> 00:04:49,904 Speaker 3: feels like a double standard, and it just feels like 106 00:04:49,904 --> 00:04:52,344 Speaker 3: a slap in the face to a lot of people 107 00:04:52,384 --> 00:04:54,424 Speaker 3: in America who are facing this issue. 108 00:04:54,584 --> 00:04:57,184 Speaker 2: It's also just like so telling and I have to 109 00:04:57,224 --> 00:04:59,224 Speaker 2: be that person to say it, like, would she be 110 00:04:59,264 --> 00:05:01,944 Speaker 2: given that permission if she had different colored skin. Absolutely not, 111 00:05:02,024 --> 00:05:04,184 Speaker 2: and it's just insane. Do we get dancing at the 112 00:05:04,184 --> 00:05:06,704 Speaker 2: stars here like the American American version. I'm sure you 113 00:05:06,704 --> 00:05:08,704 Speaker 2: could find a way to streamers you want to watch it, 114 00:05:08,744 --> 00:05:10,144 Speaker 2: You'll see the clips. The clips will be all like, 115 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:11,704 Speaker 2: I hope, like this is a massive for them. And 116 00:05:11,704 --> 00:05:14,304 Speaker 2: then she gets kicked off for the first episode. 117 00:05:14,944 --> 00:05:17,384 Speaker 3: Well, another big story that we must address today. Because 118 00:05:17,384 --> 00:05:19,384 Speaker 3: you and I are quite fired up about this. I'm 119 00:05:19,384 --> 00:05:21,144 Speaker 3: just gonna put it out there that I am until 120 00:05:21,184 --> 00:05:23,664 Speaker 3: this day, I have never had an opinion about country music. 121 00:05:23,984 --> 00:05:26,024 Speaker 3: Who she went awards, Who's at the top of the charts? 122 00:05:26,024 --> 00:05:26,384 Speaker 1: Ipt? 123 00:05:26,904 --> 00:05:29,384 Speaker 3: I respect country music, but it's not my genre of choice. 124 00:05:29,384 --> 00:05:30,944 Speaker 3: But now I'm all in. I have thoughts and I 125 00:05:30,984 --> 00:05:35,304 Speaker 3: have opinions, and that is because Beyonce Beyonce nos Karter. 126 00:05:35,464 --> 00:05:39,344 Speaker 3: I guess it has been snubbed at the Country Music Awards. 127 00:05:39,664 --> 00:05:42,184 Speaker 3: The Country Music Award nominations have come out. This is 128 00:05:42,224 --> 00:05:44,704 Speaker 3: like the Grammys for country music, like the biggest, most 129 00:05:44,704 --> 00:05:46,904 Speaker 3: prestigious awards ceremony. 130 00:05:47,304 --> 00:05:47,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 131 00:05:47,904 --> 00:05:49,544 Speaker 3: They always draw a lot of big names, and she 132 00:05:49,584 --> 00:05:52,504 Speaker 3: has performed before. She has performed there before. So her 133 00:05:52,544 --> 00:05:56,504 Speaker 3: album Cowboy Carter failed to Land a single nomination when 134 00:05:56,504 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 3: the nominations were released today. And if you're not across 135 00:05:59,264 --> 00:06:01,464 Speaker 3: how the CMAS work. Basically like any of the big 136 00:06:01,464 --> 00:06:04,704 Speaker 3: awards shows, Emmys, Oscars, Grammys, all that sort of thing, 137 00:06:04,744 --> 00:06:07,224 Speaker 3: they're voted on each year by like a group of 138 00:06:07,264 --> 00:06:10,344 Speaker 3: people who are in the Country Music Association. In this case, 139 00:06:10,384 --> 00:06:14,224 Speaker 3: there's seven three hundred individuals and there's three different rounds 140 00:06:14,224 --> 00:06:15,824 Speaker 3: of balloting, so like you know, to get the first 141 00:06:15,904 --> 00:06:18,904 Speaker 3: round of nomination's, second round, then the actual winner. This 142 00:06:19,184 --> 00:06:21,304 Speaker 3: is not a public vote, no, no, no, it's not. 143 00:06:21,304 --> 00:06:22,304 Speaker 1: A public vote at all. 144 00:06:22,344 --> 00:06:24,904 Speaker 3: It's by people in the music industry, kind of like 145 00:06:24,944 --> 00:06:26,744 Speaker 3: how the Grammys is also voted by people in the 146 00:06:26,784 --> 00:06:29,144 Speaker 3: music industry, and there's been a lot of contention around 147 00:06:29,584 --> 00:06:33,544 Speaker 3: who is deemed worthy from them as well. So going 148 00:06:33,584 --> 00:06:36,304 Speaker 3: back to Cowboy Karter, it is the first album by 149 00:06:36,344 --> 00:06:38,704 Speaker 3: a black woman to reach number one on the Billboard 150 00:06:38,784 --> 00:06:42,224 Speaker 3: Top Country Charts, which is a huge history making moment 151 00:06:42,304 --> 00:06:45,304 Speaker 3: at the time. Also, the single Texas Hold a Great 152 00:06:45,344 --> 00:06:48,904 Speaker 3: Song became the first song by a black woman to 153 00:06:48,904 --> 00:06:52,424 Speaker 3: get the top spot on Billboard's Country Song chart, and 154 00:06:52,464 --> 00:06:54,664 Speaker 3: it also charted in all different areas as well. But 155 00:06:54,744 --> 00:06:56,864 Speaker 3: the fact that it was charting on those country music 156 00:06:56,984 --> 00:06:59,104 Speaker 3: charts and then it broke those records and made her 157 00:06:59,144 --> 00:07:02,344 Speaker 3: the first black woman to achieve that was a huge 158 00:07:02,664 --> 00:07:05,664 Speaker 3: moment in musical history. And also Beyonce was also really 159 00:07:05,704 --> 00:07:08,704 Speaker 3: passionate about pointing out that other women of color had 160 00:07:08,744 --> 00:07:10,824 Speaker 3: been in the country music space, but you know, they 161 00:07:10,824 --> 00:07:13,544 Speaker 3: had been held back from charting or having their music 162 00:07:13,584 --> 00:07:15,784 Speaker 3: out there or being given awards, and she kind of 163 00:07:16,184 --> 00:07:18,144 Speaker 3: pulled that all together and was like, yeah, I'm kind 164 00:07:18,144 --> 00:07:19,584 Speaker 3: of doing it for all of us, which is a 165 00:07:19,664 --> 00:07:22,384 Speaker 3: nice sentiment as much as we saw all these record 166 00:07:22,424 --> 00:07:24,784 Speaker 3: breaking moments for Cowboy Carter, though, it was given like 167 00:07:24,864 --> 00:07:28,424 Speaker 3: quite a limited promotion on country music stations, which was 168 00:07:28,504 --> 00:07:31,104 Speaker 3: quite interesting. So music stations that are dedicated just to 169 00:07:31,144 --> 00:07:33,544 Speaker 3: playing country music and a kind of scene as the 170 00:07:33,624 --> 00:07:36,824 Speaker 3: taste makers in that area would barely play it. There's 171 00:07:37,024 --> 00:07:40,064 Speaker 3: reports of people calling in and requesting songs from Cowboy 172 00:07:40,104 --> 00:07:41,984 Speaker 3: Carter and they're being told they weren't going to be played. 173 00:07:42,344 --> 00:07:44,824 Speaker 3: And it's kind of wildly believed that the airplay on 174 00:07:44,904 --> 00:07:49,064 Speaker 3: those country music charts is going to, I guess change 175 00:07:49,104 --> 00:07:51,744 Speaker 3: the industry's mind who vote for the awards more so 176 00:07:51,784 --> 00:07:56,064 Speaker 3: than play on mainstream music channels, which has all resulted 177 00:07:56,064 --> 00:07:59,064 Speaker 3: in her being snubbed from these awards, even though Beyonce 178 00:07:59,584 --> 00:08:03,064 Speaker 3: said that Cowboy Carter wasn't strictly a country music album. 179 00:08:03,184 --> 00:08:04,944 Speaker 3: Remember how she's like, it's not a country music album, 180 00:08:04,944 --> 00:08:05,824 Speaker 3: it's a Beyonce album. 181 00:08:07,384 --> 00:08:09,304 Speaker 1: Because she's a genre or herself. 182 00:08:09,544 --> 00:08:13,744 Speaker 3: It does technique sit within the country music charts, and 183 00:08:13,784 --> 00:08:16,664 Speaker 3: that's why everyone's like, well, it definitely should have been nominated. 184 00:08:16,824 --> 00:08:19,264 Speaker 2: Some of those songs on her album was like, sounded 185 00:08:19,304 --> 00:08:23,704 Speaker 2: more country than Taylor Swift Feelless. Yeah, like that that 186 00:08:23,784 --> 00:08:24,624 Speaker 2: was a country album. 187 00:08:24,864 --> 00:08:27,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And on one hand, a lot 188 00:08:27,384 --> 00:08:29,624 Speaker 3: of people are saying, like, you know, she's Beyonce. She 189 00:08:30,224 --> 00:08:32,944 Speaker 3: is known as one of the greatest musicians of our time. 190 00:08:33,064 --> 00:08:36,824 Speaker 3: She sells out stadiums, her albums are so critically acclaimed. 191 00:08:36,824 --> 00:08:39,464 Speaker 3: People love her, like does she need this? But I 192 00:08:39,504 --> 00:08:42,264 Speaker 3: think it's not about Beyonce. It's more about the overlooked 193 00:08:42,304 --> 00:08:45,504 Speaker 3: legacy of black women, black men, and women, but particularly 194 00:08:45,504 --> 00:08:47,824 Speaker 3: I think black women in the country music industry. And 195 00:08:47,824 --> 00:08:50,304 Speaker 3: I think also coming off the back of the Grammys 196 00:08:50,584 --> 00:08:53,464 Speaker 3: and that big discussion we had this year, and we've 197 00:08:53,504 --> 00:08:56,224 Speaker 3: been having for years around her being really snubbed by 198 00:08:56,264 --> 00:08:59,184 Speaker 3: the Grammys in multiple categories. I mean, she's never been 199 00:08:59,184 --> 00:09:02,024 Speaker 3: nominated for Artists of the Year, She's been snubbed over 200 00:09:02,064 --> 00:09:05,064 Speaker 3: four times for Album of the Year and additional eight 201 00:09:05,144 --> 00:09:07,784 Speaker 3: times for Record of the Year. Like the Grammys have 202 00:09:07,864 --> 00:09:10,904 Speaker 3: really become about the We're not the Beyonce club, like 203 00:09:10,984 --> 00:09:11,744 Speaker 3: is their tagline. 204 00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:14,544 Speaker 2: It had to take her husband jay Z to say something, 205 00:09:14,744 --> 00:09:16,824 Speaker 2: and even then people were annoyed at him, like how 206 00:09:16,904 --> 00:09:17,864 Speaker 2: dare he say something? 207 00:09:17,984 --> 00:09:19,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, how dare he get up and make that moment 208 00:09:20,104 --> 00:09:22,624 Speaker 3: about the fact that she'd been snubbed, But it had 209 00:09:22,664 --> 00:09:24,824 Speaker 3: been a conversation had been happening for years, Like as 210 00:09:24,824 --> 00:09:27,544 Speaker 3: we said the time, infamously, Adele made her whole acceptance 211 00:09:27,584 --> 00:09:28,184 Speaker 3: speech about that. 212 00:09:28,384 --> 00:09:32,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually quite interesting because she is so smart, 213 00:09:32,344 --> 00:09:35,744 Speaker 2: Like she is so brilliant. And I have a theory 214 00:09:35,824 --> 00:09:38,184 Speaker 2: that she knew exactly what was going to happen. I 215 00:09:38,184 --> 00:09:41,264 Speaker 2: have a theory that she knew she wouldn't be nominated 216 00:09:41,464 --> 00:09:44,464 Speaker 2: at the Country Music Awards, and this was her way 217 00:09:44,504 --> 00:09:47,224 Speaker 2: of saying, I told you so. Yeah, Like I've given 218 00:09:47,264 --> 00:09:50,304 Speaker 2: you all the evidence. There's no reason that these radio 219 00:09:50,304 --> 00:09:52,704 Speaker 2: shows should not be playing my music. There's no reason 220 00:09:52,704 --> 00:09:55,504 Speaker 2: I shouldn't be nominated for an award or win an award. 221 00:09:55,864 --> 00:09:58,424 Speaker 2: We saw the massive backlash she had when she performed 222 00:09:58,464 --> 00:10:01,144 Speaker 2: at the CMAS, Like people hated her for that. I 223 00:10:01,144 --> 00:10:03,824 Speaker 2: do remember I recommended a week in Watch, which was 224 00:10:03,864 --> 00:10:07,264 Speaker 2: a short documentary on Binge. It was called Call Me Country, 225 00:10:07,304 --> 00:10:11,184 Speaker 2: Beyonce and Nashville's Renaissance, and they interviewed a lot of 226 00:10:11,304 --> 00:10:14,704 Speaker 2: black artists and musicians and they were talking about how 227 00:10:14,904 --> 00:10:18,264 Speaker 2: important this album was not just for like Beyonce and 228 00:10:18,304 --> 00:10:22,664 Speaker 2: country music, but also just generating wealth within black musicians 229 00:10:22,704 --> 00:10:25,744 Speaker 2: who do perform country music, like the amount of backgrounds 230 00:10:25,744 --> 00:10:28,944 Speaker 2: in because she's hired banjo plays violinists who are all black, 231 00:10:29,184 --> 00:10:31,864 Speaker 2: who actually had an opportunity to kind of show their 232 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:35,144 Speaker 2: song and show their music. And it's just such a 233 00:10:35,224 --> 00:10:38,384 Speaker 2: shame because like, by snubbing her at the CMAS, you're 234 00:10:38,384 --> 00:10:40,224 Speaker 2: snubbing an entire group of people. 235 00:10:40,344 --> 00:10:43,424 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, guess off to see when the CMAS take 236 00:10:43,464 --> 00:10:45,944 Speaker 3: place who actually wins in those categories. But I think 237 00:10:45,944 --> 00:10:47,544 Speaker 3: this is and we should say the time of recording, 238 00:10:47,624 --> 00:10:50,304 Speaker 3: Beyonce hasn't commented, and she won't comment, like she won't. 239 00:10:50,144 --> 00:10:51,464 Speaker 2: She's done it. She knows exactly. 240 00:10:51,544 --> 00:10:53,424 Speaker 3: Yeah, she knows what we're saying. But I think it 241 00:10:53,464 --> 00:10:54,984 Speaker 3: just goes to show that even like one of the 242 00:10:55,024 --> 00:10:57,384 Speaker 3: most powerful, successful women in the world can still be 243 00:10:57,784 --> 00:11:00,184 Speaker 3: pushed out of a category because her work isn't seen 244 00:11:00,224 --> 00:11:03,464 Speaker 3: as worthy. 245 00:11:05,384 --> 00:11:05,904 Speaker 1: What d. 246 00:11:08,064 --> 00:11:11,784 Speaker 2: So you might have seen online there have been some 247 00:11:11,864 --> 00:11:15,704 Speaker 2: photos circulating of Taylor. Firstly, there's photos of her and 248 00:11:15,784 --> 00:11:17,704 Speaker 2: her partner Travis Kelcey. I'm not talking about this photus. 249 00:11:17,744 --> 00:11:18,584 Speaker 2: We already talked about those. 250 00:11:18,704 --> 00:11:19,984 Speaker 1: Oh, we talked to those in depth. 251 00:11:20,304 --> 00:11:23,664 Speaker 2: I'm talking about a photo of her embracing a woman 252 00:11:23,944 --> 00:11:27,424 Speaker 2: named Brittany Mahomes. Have we talked about Brittany Mahomes. 253 00:11:27,584 --> 00:11:28,344 Speaker 1: I don't think we have. 254 00:11:28,504 --> 00:11:32,264 Speaker 3: And, like everything else to do with this sport in America, 255 00:11:32,344 --> 00:11:34,104 Speaker 3: like many other people in the world, I wasn't aware 256 00:11:34,184 --> 00:11:36,544 Speaker 3: that all of these people existed until the whole Taylor 257 00:11:36,624 --> 00:11:39,664 Speaker 3: Swift fandom kind of merged with the NFL. 258 00:11:39,944 --> 00:11:42,544 Speaker 1: But I do know that she is the wife of. 259 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:46,104 Speaker 2: Patrick Patrick Mahomes, who is the star quarterback. That's the 260 00:11:46,224 --> 00:11:49,984 Speaker 2: start I think that's the right word, like the quarterback. 261 00:11:49,624 --> 00:11:52,464 Speaker 1: Is the start star and the team of the Chiefs. 262 00:11:52,144 --> 00:11:55,064 Speaker 2: Yes, the Chiefs that Travis Kelcey also plays. 263 00:11:54,784 --> 00:11:57,944 Speaker 3: And they acquired a famous couple right their lifestyle. They've 264 00:11:57,944 --> 00:12:01,584 Speaker 3: got this kind of glam going on, rich beautiful people. 265 00:12:01,904 --> 00:12:04,144 Speaker 3: One of their kids is named Bronze. I don't know 266 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,064 Speaker 3: that Bronze and Sterling, I do believe. And I know 267 00:12:07,144 --> 00:12:08,864 Speaker 3: she's having another baby, So which I want her to 268 00:12:08,864 --> 00:12:09,904 Speaker 3: call a Copper or something? 269 00:12:10,464 --> 00:12:12,744 Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah, yeah, Copper's such a good one. 270 00:12:12,744 --> 00:12:15,304 Speaker 3: Actually, this is the information, Like I haven't sought out 271 00:12:15,304 --> 00:12:18,584 Speaker 3: this information, This is the information that permeated my mind 272 00:12:19,064 --> 00:12:21,704 Speaker 3: since the NFL became part of the Taylor Swift Show. 273 00:12:21,704 --> 00:12:25,504 Speaker 2: Anyway continued, So, yes, so Patrick Mahomes Travis Kelcey play 274 00:12:25,544 --> 00:12:28,184 Speaker 2: for the Chiefs together. They're also very close friends, which 275 00:12:28,224 --> 00:12:32,264 Speaker 2: is why Britney Mahomes, Patrick's wife and Taylor Swift, Travis 276 00:12:32,384 --> 00:12:35,584 Speaker 2: Kelsey's partner, how also friends. So they're friends by proxy 277 00:12:35,704 --> 00:12:39,464 Speaker 2: and from photos and like them hanging out, it started 278 00:12:39,464 --> 00:12:41,864 Speaker 2: to look like they became like really close, Like I 279 00:12:41,904 --> 00:12:44,024 Speaker 2: think she was part of Taylor's girl gang. 280 00:12:44,184 --> 00:12:47,064 Speaker 3: Yes, all those photos started coming out months ago of 281 00:12:47,104 --> 00:12:49,224 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift out and about New York after it was 282 00:12:49,224 --> 00:12:51,784 Speaker 3: confirmed she was dating Travis Kelsey and Brittany was in 283 00:12:51,824 --> 00:12:54,184 Speaker 3: a lot of those photos, sometimes like holding hands with 284 00:12:54,224 --> 00:12:56,024 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, and then I was like, she's in. 285 00:12:56,024 --> 00:12:58,184 Speaker 2: She's in, she's in. They've been going to the games 286 00:12:58,184 --> 00:13:02,744 Speaker 2: together previously. It's been all good. So what has happened now? 287 00:13:02,784 --> 00:13:04,824 Speaker 2: I'm going to take you through a bit of a timeline. 288 00:13:04,904 --> 00:13:09,344 Speaker 2: Great is that Donald Trump posted on Instagram a tile 289 00:13:09,864 --> 00:13:12,544 Speaker 2: that has all the things he wants to do when 290 00:13:12,584 --> 00:13:15,504 Speaker 2: he becomes president. So the title of it was the 291 00:13:16,224 --> 00:13:19,824 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four GOP platform Make America Great Again, And 292 00:13:19,864 --> 00:13:21,784 Speaker 2: in it was like a list of everything that he's 293 00:13:21,824 --> 00:13:24,304 Speaker 2: going to do, so stuff like steal the border and 294 00:13:24,344 --> 00:13:28,864 Speaker 2: stop the migrant invasion, carry out the largest deportation operation 295 00:13:28,984 --> 00:13:32,864 Speaker 2: in American history, keep men out of women's sport, like 296 00:13:33,384 --> 00:13:37,864 Speaker 2: just Donald Trump's staff. Basically, our friend Brittany liked that 297 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:43,144 Speaker 2: post and then unliked it. Oh, I mean, but because 298 00:13:43,144 --> 00:13:46,704 Speaker 2: she was in with Taylor Swift and Taylorswift fans know 299 00:13:46,824 --> 00:13:49,184 Speaker 2: everything that's going on. So I think what Taylorswoft fans 300 00:13:49,184 --> 00:13:51,424 Speaker 2: do is that the minute someone is friends with Taylorswift, 301 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:54,224 Speaker 2: they also become big fans and are obsessed with that person. 302 00:13:54,544 --> 00:13:57,824 Speaker 2: So everyone caught on on the like unlike. She then 303 00:13:57,944 --> 00:14:01,584 Speaker 2: posted on her Instagram stories. I mean, honestly, to be 304 00:14:01,664 --> 00:14:03,824 Speaker 2: a hater as an adult, you have to have some 305 00:14:03,904 --> 00:14:07,304 Speaker 2: deep rooted issues you refuse to heal from childhood. There's 306 00:14:07,344 --> 00:14:09,824 Speaker 2: no reason your brain is fully developed and you hate 307 00:14:09,864 --> 00:14:11,144 Speaker 2: to see others doing well. 308 00:14:11,224 --> 00:14:13,144 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've seen so many people I follow 309 00:14:13,224 --> 00:14:16,024 Speaker 3: have been reposting that ridiculous quote lately. 310 00:14:16,144 --> 00:14:17,584 Speaker 1: Is that where it's coming from? From Retain? 311 00:14:17,624 --> 00:14:21,784 Speaker 2: I think that's where it's coming from. So because she 312 00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:24,144 Speaker 2: liked and unliked it, it wasn't that big of a deal. 313 00:14:24,184 --> 00:14:25,944 Speaker 2: It is really weird, but not that big of a deal. 314 00:14:26,104 --> 00:14:28,184 Speaker 3: She then posted because I guess she could say, did 315 00:14:28,264 --> 00:14:29,944 Speaker 3: she just you know how someone's just calling the Instagram 316 00:14:29,984 --> 00:14:32,544 Speaker 3: you actually liked it? Oh god, yeah, all quick now 317 00:14:32,584 --> 00:14:37,344 Speaker 3: because yeah, yeah, pfile, Yes, I think maybe that could 318 00:14:37,344 --> 00:14:39,624 Speaker 3: have been the issue. But then she posted a photo 319 00:14:39,624 --> 00:14:44,824 Speaker 3: of herself. Someone commented Trump Vance twenty twenty four three 320 00:14:44,864 --> 00:14:48,024 Speaker 3: American flags, and she liked that comment and you don't 321 00:14:48,024 --> 00:14:49,824 Speaker 3: now on Instagram you can see because it says liked 322 00:14:49,864 --> 00:14:50,304 Speaker 3: by author. 323 00:14:50,544 --> 00:14:52,784 Speaker 2: Yeah so and she did not like it, so that's 324 00:14:52,824 --> 00:14:53,224 Speaker 2: still there. 325 00:14:53,304 --> 00:14:54,744 Speaker 1: So she meant to do it. It was a mistake. 326 00:14:54,824 --> 00:14:57,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't a mistake. She then posted a tweet 327 00:14:57,544 --> 00:15:00,424 Speaker 2: someone else's tweet on her Instagram stories with the caption 328 00:15:00,664 --> 00:15:04,064 Speaker 2: read that again, and the tweet said, contrary to the 329 00:15:04,064 --> 00:15:07,024 Speaker 2: tone of the world today, you can disagree with someone 330 00:15:07,064 --> 00:15:09,664 Speaker 2: and still love them. You can have differing views and 331 00:15:09,784 --> 00:15:10,824 Speaker 2: still be kind. 332 00:15:11,624 --> 00:15:14,744 Speaker 1: Then ol Man Donald. 333 00:15:14,504 --> 00:15:18,784 Speaker 2: Trump posted on his social media platform Truth Social. So 334 00:15:18,984 --> 00:15:20,864 Speaker 2: I'm not on that platform, so it took me. 335 00:15:20,784 --> 00:15:22,584 Speaker 1: A while at this Do you have an account? 336 00:15:22,624 --> 00:15:22,784 Speaker 3: Now? 337 00:15:22,784 --> 00:15:23,304 Speaker 1: You signed up? 338 00:15:23,944 --> 00:15:26,024 Speaker 2: Not signed up? I went through all the avenues to 339 00:15:26,024 --> 00:15:28,104 Speaker 2: do it where I didn't have to sign up. He said. 340 00:15:28,584 --> 00:15:32,064 Speaker 2: I want to thank beautiful Brittany maharme No for so 341 00:15:32,144 --> 00:15:35,544 Speaker 2: strongly defending me and the fact that Make America Great 342 00:15:35,584 --> 00:15:38,624 Speaker 2: Again is the greatest and most powerful political movement in 343 00:15:38,664 --> 00:15:43,944 Speaker 2: the history of our now failing country. What a great couple. 344 00:15:43,944 --> 00:15:45,184 Speaker 2: See you both at the super Bowl. 345 00:15:45,984 --> 00:15:46,464 Speaker 1: Wow. 346 00:15:46,824 --> 00:15:48,264 Speaker 3: I don't know what to say about this, because I 347 00:15:48,264 --> 00:15:50,184 Speaker 3: didn't expect Donal Donald Trump to actually be well. 348 00:15:50,184 --> 00:15:52,264 Speaker 1: Of course he is. Of course he's involved in that. 349 00:15:52,344 --> 00:15:54,384 Speaker 3: He would love to know that this woman who's seen 350 00:15:54,424 --> 00:15:56,984 Speaker 3: this is like this, like glamorous woman that up until 351 00:15:56,984 --> 00:15:58,664 Speaker 3: now so many people in America love. 352 00:15:58,664 --> 00:16:01,504 Speaker 2: And directly adjacent to Taylor Swift. Yeah, exactly, the most 353 00:16:01,504 --> 00:16:04,464 Speaker 2: powerful people in America who could swing so many votes. 354 00:16:04,264 --> 00:16:06,144 Speaker 3: Exactly that he thinks that she's on her side. I 355 00:16:06,184 --> 00:16:08,064 Speaker 3: wonder if Brittany Mahomes is seeing that and being like, oh, 356 00:16:08,144 --> 00:16:10,064 Speaker 3: I just like to comment. I didn't mean for Donald 357 00:16:10,064 --> 00:16:12,224 Speaker 3: Trump to make a statement about that. 358 00:16:12,624 --> 00:16:16,424 Speaker 2: The interesting thing because she hasn't commented after made that course, 359 00:16:16,864 --> 00:16:19,944 Speaker 2: and so we thought that this was okay because Taylor 360 00:16:19,984 --> 00:16:22,344 Speaker 2: Swift was spotted at the Chiefs game by herself. Yes, 361 00:16:22,504 --> 00:16:24,664 Speaker 2: so I think you can memorize the outfit, like the 362 00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:29,104 Speaker 2: full denim, the big boots, star high boots. Usually she 363 00:16:29,424 --> 00:16:32,304 Speaker 2: was seen with her like kind of posse, Brittany Mahomes 364 00:16:32,304 --> 00:16:34,184 Speaker 2: and her family. She was always in the same booth 365 00:16:34,184 --> 00:16:37,904 Speaker 2: as them all the time. Brittany Mahomes was at that game, 366 00:16:37,944 --> 00:16:40,224 Speaker 2: but in a different booth. So we thought that was 367 00:16:40,224 --> 00:16:42,464 Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift saying I've cut friendships, so we I'm 368 00:16:42,504 --> 00:16:45,144 Speaker 2: not friends with this girl. And that's what leads us 369 00:16:45,184 --> 00:16:49,264 Speaker 2: into the US Open where she publicly embraces Brittany in 370 00:16:49,304 --> 00:16:52,104 Speaker 2: front of everyone to see and all the cameras and 371 00:16:52,584 --> 00:16:56,624 Speaker 2: his beautiful high definition shots, so those rumors are put 372 00:16:56,664 --> 00:16:59,784 Speaker 2: to rest. She's basically saying, I'm still friends with this woman. 373 00:17:00,104 --> 00:17:04,744 Speaker 2: And it's just kind of unfortunate because up until now 374 00:17:04,744 --> 00:17:08,624 Speaker 2: we've been constantly talking about and kind of discussing whether 375 00:17:08,824 --> 00:17:12,704 Speaker 2: or whether or not Taylor Swift will publicly endorse Kamla Harris. Yeah, 376 00:17:13,224 --> 00:17:15,984 Speaker 2: and I have to say, I'm not invested in US 377 00:17:16,104 --> 00:17:19,264 Speaker 2: politics and Taylor Swift as separate entities, but I am 378 00:17:19,304 --> 00:17:20,744 Speaker 2: really invested in it together. 379 00:17:21,104 --> 00:17:24,144 Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, she's an incredibly influential person. Like that's the 380 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:26,864 Speaker 3: thing is, like so many times with musicians or actors 381 00:17:26,864 --> 00:17:28,624 Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, you think, like, oh, should 382 00:17:28,624 --> 00:17:30,864 Speaker 3: these people who are there to like make art and 383 00:17:30,984 --> 00:17:33,664 Speaker 3: entertain us, should we be looking to them for like 384 00:17:33,944 --> 00:17:37,224 Speaker 3: political guidance? And I think sometimes maybe not if they 385 00:17:37,224 --> 00:17:39,464 Speaker 3: don't comment on it. It's okay, but it is unfortunate 386 00:17:39,504 --> 00:17:41,264 Speaker 3: for Taylor Swift. Or also fortunate when you look at 387 00:17:41,264 --> 00:17:43,944 Speaker 3: the fact that she's built this empire for herself, is 388 00:17:43,984 --> 00:17:46,264 Speaker 3: that she's not just a musician or an actress. She 389 00:17:46,384 --> 00:17:49,184 Speaker 3: is like one of the most influential people in the world, 390 00:17:49,544 --> 00:17:52,664 Speaker 3: potentially the most influential person in America. Now, like that 391 00:17:52,824 --> 00:17:55,464 Speaker 3: sounds like a ridiculous statement, but I'm sure it's true. 392 00:17:55,504 --> 00:17:59,944 Speaker 3: It is true, and so everything she does matters, and 393 00:18:00,104 --> 00:18:02,864 Speaker 3: what she thinks and says about politics matters as well, 394 00:18:02,904 --> 00:18:04,824 Speaker 3: because the thing is, I'm sure a lot of her 395 00:18:04,824 --> 00:18:07,544 Speaker 3: followers potentially might be thinking, like, I wouldn't vote for 396 00:18:07,584 --> 00:18:09,864 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, but if she came out and endorsed him, 397 00:18:09,864 --> 00:18:12,144 Speaker 3: which don't think she would do that, but if the 398 00:18:12,144 --> 00:18:13,944 Speaker 3: thing is, if she did, she would swing the vote. 399 00:18:13,944 --> 00:18:16,744 Speaker 3: Like that just is something that would happen, and so 400 00:18:16,984 --> 00:18:18,744 Speaker 3: it is kind of interesting. I don't think we live 401 00:18:18,784 --> 00:18:20,424 Speaker 3: in a world where you can say it doesn't matter 402 00:18:20,464 --> 00:18:21,264 Speaker 3: what she does. 403 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:26,184 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, And what's really sad is that. So firstly, 404 00:18:26,264 --> 00:18:29,904 Speaker 2: she historically has been very quiet about politics, ye until 405 00:18:29,904 --> 00:18:32,584 Speaker 2: she released her documentary Miss Americana, where she was like 406 00:18:32,744 --> 00:18:35,584 Speaker 2: shown like kind of like really emotionally talking to her 407 00:18:35,664 --> 00:18:39,344 Speaker 2: dad and her business managers about how she just wants 408 00:18:39,384 --> 00:18:41,464 Speaker 2: to say what she wants to say and how like 409 00:18:41,544 --> 00:18:43,344 Speaker 2: she's so scared of what will happen to the country 410 00:18:43,344 --> 00:18:46,024 Speaker 2: if she doesn't say something, and she's so passionate about that, 411 00:18:46,144 --> 00:18:48,504 Speaker 2: And that's where we saw her kind of confirming that 412 00:18:48,584 --> 00:18:51,384 Speaker 2: she does lean towards the Democratic Party. Yes, that was 413 00:18:51,424 --> 00:18:54,464 Speaker 2: confirmed when she publicly endorsed Biden as well when he 414 00:18:54,544 --> 00:18:57,824 Speaker 2: was running for president. And now we have Kamala Harris, 415 00:18:57,864 --> 00:19:00,904 Speaker 2: who's a black woman with Indian heritage running for president, 416 00:19:00,984 --> 00:19:03,864 Speaker 2: and Taylor Swift says nothing, and the closest thing to 417 00:19:03,944 --> 00:19:09,184 Speaker 2: a public political announcement we have is her hugging Brittany Mahomes, 418 00:19:09,184 --> 00:19:11,264 Speaker 2: who was very publicly trump. 419 00:19:11,784 --> 00:19:13,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because I guess there's a few other 420 00:19:14,064 --> 00:19:16,024 Speaker 3: things to note. I can just imagine people listening to 421 00:19:16,024 --> 00:19:17,624 Speaker 3: this episode. There's a few things that they want to say, 422 00:19:17,704 --> 00:19:19,784 Speaker 3: so I might voice them so we can talk through them. 423 00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:21,544 Speaker 3: I guess some people would saying, like, the election isn't 424 00:19:21,584 --> 00:19:24,104 Speaker 3: quite yet, there's a few more months she could still endorse. 425 00:19:24,424 --> 00:19:26,504 Speaker 3: There's that The other one be saying just because she's 426 00:19:26,544 --> 00:19:29,344 Speaker 3: hugging her friend doesn't mean that she agrees with her, 427 00:19:29,424 --> 00:19:31,224 Speaker 3: although a lot of people in America are sort of 428 00:19:31,224 --> 00:19:33,944 Speaker 3: saying like, now is the time to say to people 429 00:19:33,984 --> 00:19:37,104 Speaker 3: that if you're not supporting this particular political stance, and 430 00:19:37,144 --> 00:19:39,744 Speaker 3: you're supporting someone who's going to potentially put my life 431 00:19:39,784 --> 00:19:41,784 Speaker 3: in danger, then we actually can't be friends. So it's 432 00:19:41,824 --> 00:19:43,824 Speaker 3: become that too but I'm sure a lot of people 433 00:19:43,824 --> 00:19:46,064 Speaker 3: would say, is she really just not going to be 434 00:19:46,104 --> 00:19:49,464 Speaker 3: friends with Brittany because she's liking some Instagram posts and 435 00:19:49,584 --> 00:19:51,784 Speaker 3: she shouldn't be seen with her in public? Like that 436 00:19:51,864 --> 00:19:54,504 Speaker 3: seems like a big leap in one case. I'm not 437 00:19:54,544 --> 00:19:56,064 Speaker 3: saying I agree with that, but I'm I'm saying, like, 438 00:19:56,104 --> 00:19:58,584 Speaker 3: I feel like that's what people would be thinking listening 439 00:19:58,624 --> 00:19:59,504 Speaker 3: to this conversation. 440 00:19:59,824 --> 00:20:02,504 Speaker 2: I think similar to what you said about like she's 441 00:20:02,504 --> 00:20:04,584 Speaker 2: just friends with her, she doesn't have to believe everything 442 00:20:04,584 --> 00:20:04,984 Speaker 2: she says. 443 00:20:05,104 --> 00:20:06,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that could be. 444 00:20:06,184 --> 00:20:08,104 Speaker 2: Said for like if we're in like I guess an 445 00:20:08,144 --> 00:20:13,424 Speaker 2: Australian political landscape, yeah, where it's like liberal labor, like 446 00:20:13,584 --> 00:20:17,784 Speaker 2: completely opposite parties, but one is not completely extreme. I 447 00:20:17,824 --> 00:20:22,104 Speaker 2: think the Donald Trump Republican is completely extreme. She's not 448 00:20:22,144 --> 00:20:25,224 Speaker 2: just a Republican. She's supporting Trump, which are two completely 449 00:20:25,264 --> 00:20:27,464 Speaker 2: different things in my point of view. Some of the 450 00:20:27,704 --> 00:20:29,904 Speaker 2: what we say and what the posts that she like, 451 00:20:30,024 --> 00:20:34,144 Speaker 2: like mass deportation that could like genuinely affect people's lives, 452 00:20:34,184 --> 00:20:37,944 Speaker 2: Like people could literally be taken up and pushed overseas 453 00:20:38,024 --> 00:20:40,904 Speaker 2: back to quote unquote where they came from. It's just 454 00:20:40,944 --> 00:20:45,784 Speaker 2: like kind of scary and what my weird feeling towards this, 455 00:20:45,784 --> 00:20:47,704 Speaker 2: which I'm trying to analyze because I couldn't really get, 456 00:20:47,784 --> 00:20:50,824 Speaker 2: was like I wasn't really paying attention when she did 457 00:20:50,904 --> 00:20:55,104 Speaker 2: the Miss Americana democratically or when she supported Biden. But 458 00:20:55,144 --> 00:20:57,424 Speaker 2: there's something in me that has been holding on for 459 00:20:57,504 --> 00:20:59,744 Speaker 2: her to say something about Carla Harris because I love 460 00:20:59,824 --> 00:21:02,784 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. I love her music. I listen like always 461 00:21:02,784 --> 00:21:06,424 Speaker 2: on my Spotify top five and I think with Kamala 462 00:21:06,464 --> 00:21:09,904 Speaker 2: Harris being a black woman person of color, there's something 463 00:21:09,944 --> 00:21:14,824 Speaker 2: in me that's like, if Taylor Swift it publicly endorses Karmla, 464 00:21:14,864 --> 00:21:17,184 Speaker 2: there's something in me that will just immediately relax. Yeah, 465 00:21:17,184 --> 00:21:20,824 Speaker 2: there's something in me that right now feels like and 466 00:21:20,864 --> 00:21:22,624 Speaker 2: I struggle saying this out loud because I know we 467 00:21:22,664 --> 00:21:25,104 Speaker 2: have swiftiers who are listening, but there's something in me 468 00:21:25,224 --> 00:21:28,744 Speaker 2: right now that says that Taylor Swift is not for 469 00:21:28,904 --> 00:21:31,104 Speaker 2: all women. Yeah, and one of those women is me. 470 00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:36,304 Speaker 2: And then once she like endorses Kamla Harris, I feel accepted. 471 00:21:36,624 --> 00:21:38,864 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. One hundred percent. I think that's 472 00:21:38,864 --> 00:21:40,544 Speaker 3: a really fair thing to say. And I think that 473 00:21:40,584 --> 00:21:42,304 Speaker 3: you can hold two things at once, And you can 474 00:21:42,424 --> 00:21:44,504 Speaker 3: like Taylor Swift's music and think she's a great performer, 475 00:21:44,544 --> 00:21:46,824 Speaker 3: but also feel like she has this platform and it 476 00:21:46,864 --> 00:21:49,824 Speaker 3: doesn't feel like she is using it to speak to 477 00:21:49,864 --> 00:21:52,064 Speaker 3: all of her fans equally. And that's something that I've 478 00:21:52,064 --> 00:21:54,384 Speaker 3: always thought about Taylor Sif too, is that it's also 479 00:21:54,424 --> 00:21:56,344 Speaker 3: hard because I don't expect her to speak on everything, 480 00:21:56,384 --> 00:21:58,144 Speaker 3: but I do feel that a lot of the things 481 00:21:58,144 --> 00:22:00,984 Speaker 3: that she does speak on relate back to her in 482 00:22:00,984 --> 00:22:03,624 Speaker 3: a strong way in terms of, like this person said 483 00:22:03,624 --> 00:22:05,184 Speaker 3: that I couldn't do this, so I prove them wrong 484 00:22:05,224 --> 00:22:07,064 Speaker 3: and that's a win for all women, Or like this 485 00:22:07,104 --> 00:22:08,864 Speaker 3: person tried to take this money away from me, so 486 00:22:08,944 --> 00:22:10,264 Speaker 3: I did this and that's a win for all of it. 487 00:22:10,424 --> 00:22:12,864 Speaker 3: And those are very empowering messages, but it's always very 488 00:22:12,944 --> 00:22:15,544 Speaker 3: much centered on her and her position, and. 489 00:22:15,824 --> 00:22:18,064 Speaker 2: It's not for all women. It's for a very specific 490 00:22:18,184 --> 00:22:21,784 Speaker 2: type of women. And we always say she's a smart person, 491 00:22:21,904 --> 00:22:25,064 Speaker 2: she's brilliant. If she's seen doing something, it's because she 492 00:22:25,104 --> 00:22:27,304 Speaker 2: wants to be seen. So the fact that she wanted 493 00:22:27,344 --> 00:22:29,984 Speaker 2: to be seen embracing Brittany Mahomes, I think just says 494 00:22:29,984 --> 00:22:32,704 Speaker 2: something completely different to what I originally thought about her. 495 00:22:32,824 --> 00:22:34,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I think that's a really important point. And 496 00:22:35,024 --> 00:22:36,584 Speaker 3: like I said, I don't think it can be boiled 497 00:22:36,584 --> 00:22:38,584 Speaker 3: down to like calling Taylor sitch out or hating her, 498 00:22:38,624 --> 00:22:40,624 Speaker 3: like literally, no one's saying that. It's literally having an 499 00:22:40,664 --> 00:22:44,544 Speaker 3: important conversation about a woman of extreme influence and what 500 00:22:44,664 --> 00:22:46,744 Speaker 3: her role the next few months is going to be. 501 00:22:46,784 --> 00:22:48,584 Speaker 3: And like you say, yes, it's the American election, We're 502 00:22:48,584 --> 00:22:50,064 Speaker 3: not there and we don't vote in it, but it 503 00:22:50,104 --> 00:22:52,744 Speaker 3: does have a far reaching effect for all her fans 504 00:22:52,784 --> 00:22:54,824 Speaker 3: across the world in terms of like her behavior and 505 00:22:54,824 --> 00:22:55,744 Speaker 3: who she endorses. 506 00:22:56,224 --> 00:22:58,344 Speaker 2: So there were a lot of more photos from that 507 00:22:58,504 --> 00:23:00,664 Speaker 2: us open, not all of it was doom and glim. 508 00:23:00,904 --> 00:23:03,864 Speaker 2: We did do an episode yesterday on Taylor and Travis 509 00:23:03,864 --> 00:23:06,184 Speaker 2: and their relationship and our theories behind that. We will 510 00:23:06,184 --> 00:23:08,904 Speaker 2: link that in our show notes. Spiller's I thought I 511 00:23:09,024 --> 00:23:12,784 Speaker 2: jump in again after reading Taylor's endorsement post, since I 512 00:23:12,904 --> 00:23:15,664 Speaker 2: did talk so strongly about how this is the one 513 00:23:15,704 --> 00:23:19,064 Speaker 2: thing I've been holding out for so earlier. Today she 514 00:23:19,224 --> 00:23:22,624 Speaker 2: did post on Instagram a photo of her and one 515 00:23:22,664 --> 00:23:26,064 Speaker 2: of her beautiful cats, and she posted this straight after 516 00:23:26,504 --> 00:23:31,024 Speaker 2: the presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. She 517 00:23:31,144 --> 00:23:35,144 Speaker 2: talked about how she was made away recently that an 518 00:23:35,144 --> 00:23:39,224 Speaker 2: AI photo of herself was posted on Donald Trump's Truth 519 00:23:39,344 --> 00:23:42,464 Speaker 2: social site, looking like that she was endorsing him. She 520 00:23:42,544 --> 00:23:44,984 Speaker 2: spoke about her fear of AI, and then she did 521 00:23:45,024 --> 00:23:47,144 Speaker 2: say that I will be casting my vote for Kamala 522 00:23:47,224 --> 00:23:50,664 Speaker 2: Harris and Tim Walt in the twenty twenty four presidential election. 523 00:23:51,264 --> 00:23:54,184 Speaker 2: And she talked about encouraging people to do their research 524 00:23:54,304 --> 00:23:57,464 Speaker 2: before they vote and to register. She also signed it 525 00:23:57,504 --> 00:24:01,264 Speaker 2: off with Taylor Swift Childless Cat Lady, which I absolutely loved. 526 00:24:01,384 --> 00:24:05,024 Speaker 2: But I did talk about how I was expecting this 527 00:24:05,104 --> 00:24:09,344 Speaker 2: kind of sense of relief if she did endorse Karmla 528 00:24:09,384 --> 00:24:13,424 Speaker 2: Harris in the podcast, and I would say that I 529 00:24:13,504 --> 00:24:17,664 Speaker 2: do experience that, like I have felt kind of like, oh, finally, 530 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:20,704 Speaker 2: like she's done it. Now I can like feel welcomed 531 00:24:20,744 --> 00:24:25,264 Speaker 2: into this all women club that Taylor Swift says she's four. 532 00:24:25,504 --> 00:24:28,224 Speaker 2: I did talk about how I felt like when she 533 00:24:28,304 --> 00:24:32,224 Speaker 2: would make songs and speak on the right of all women, 534 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:34,864 Speaker 2: I never felt included in that. And there is a 535 00:24:34,904 --> 00:24:38,424 Speaker 2: bit of me that does feel included, and that inclusion 536 00:24:38,504 --> 00:24:42,064 Speaker 2: kind of replaces the ickness of how I felt when 537 00:24:42,104 --> 00:24:46,384 Speaker 2: I saw those images of her hugging Brittany Mahomes. I 538 00:24:46,424 --> 00:24:50,984 Speaker 2: do still feel that she could have endorsed Kamla earlier on, 539 00:24:51,144 --> 00:24:54,224 Speaker 2: similar to how she did with Biden. But yeah, I 540 00:24:54,264 --> 00:24:56,984 Speaker 2: am actually quite relieved that she has, in the end 541 00:24:57,024 --> 00:24:59,464 Speaker 2: done this. Thank you so much for listening to the 542 00:24:59,464 --> 00:25:01,744 Speaker 2: Spool today. We will be back here in your podcast 543 00:25:01,784 --> 00:25:03,064 Speaker 2: feed at three pm tomorrow. 544 00:25:03,144 --> 00:25:08,944 Speaker 1: Bye bye, Lane.