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Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the spill your daily pop

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Speaker 3: culture fixed. I'm more broadening and today I'm joined by

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Speaker 3: our regular Tuesday fill in just for you.

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Speaker 2: Emily is still away.

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Speaker 3: How you have I replaced her on the pod now

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Speaker 3: and I was like, actually, em it's time to go, Emily.

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Speaker 4: And this was how she found out by wait, I'm

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Speaker 4: not doing Tuesdays anymore.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. We didn't say who I am. I'm Kelly McCarron.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure this is the last Tuesday for a

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Speaker 4: while that I will be filling in for him.

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Speaker 1: But I'm always here.

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Speaker 2: But you'll fling.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back. I'll be back hopefully next week.

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Speaker 4: We finished the season of White Lotus with no more incests,

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Speaker 4: because otherwise I might have to push em out of

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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you might break down the door of the day

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Speaker 3: we do our recap episode. Yes, come, I actually might.

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Speaker 4: I'll just come and sit on her lap or on

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Speaker 4: your lap, just to discuss it.

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Speaker 2: Well. As I said to you, Helly, you need to

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Speaker 2: go back and watch season two of.

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Speaker 1: Them going to I will report back.

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Speaker 3: So many people said to me they watching this season,

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Speaker 3: they haven't watched season two, and I just think season

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Speaker 3: two is actually the strongest of the three seasons.

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Speaker 2: Preference said that, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well I need to get back into it. What

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Speaker 1: are we talking about today.

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Speaker 2: On the show?

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Speaker 3: Today, Leonard DiCaprio's girlfriend has given not a tell All interview,

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Speaker 3: but it's the first time she's spoken about their relationship.

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Speaker 3: And look, we have some thoughts because now that she's

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Speaker 3: given this interview about her much much, much older boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: You are, Can I just interrupt you right there? Because

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Speaker 1: tell All is such a stretch.

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Speaker 2: No, but some I mean, he never says anything.

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Speaker 3: Okay, those two comments, I think, no, it's more than

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Speaker 3: those two comments have opened up the floodgates.

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Speaker 2: Now I can't to talk about her by game. We

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Speaker 3: And also Rebecca Lose if you don't know that name,

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Speaker 3: she is the woman who had an affair with David

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Speaker 3: now because she has given a tell All interview. I

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Speaker 3: we're going to get into that.

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Speaker 1: But first, so we've got a bit of breaking news.

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Speaker 4: So, after months of hopeful fans speculation, Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey have announced their engagement. Swift announced the news

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Speaker 4: from our enchanted first date to knowing you belong with me.

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Speaker 4: I always knew Travis was the one. The images showcase

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Speaker 4: a delighted looking Taylor and Travis, with a heavy focus

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Speaker 4: Swift's mother has not yet confirmed the US, mainly because

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Speaker 3: Have you seen all those AI generated videos of them

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Speaker 1: Now it really is. But I'm obviously just having a joke.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's the point, isn't it that it

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Speaker 4: Pep fools? Hey, yeah, a little bit of fun. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: let's get into the actual show. So It's not often

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Speaker 4: Oscar winning actor and notorious modelizer Leonardo Dicabrio, But in

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Speaker 4: a recent interview with Vogue France, twenty six year old

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Speaker 4: Italian model Vittoria Soretti has opened up.

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Speaker 4: Tell all as Laura into Dad with too much information

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Speaker 4: to be honest, I feel like it's just self explanatory.

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Speaker 4: But whatever, as soon as you're in a relationship with

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Speaker 4: Suddenly people are talking about you as so and so's girlfriend,

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Speaker 4: to think that you can't love whoever you want because

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Speaker 4: Leo fans, I don't know who, to be fair. Vittoria

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Speaker 1: The time, the girlfriends just don't speak about it.

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Speaker 3: and part of it would be to be very like

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Speaker 1: But all of that is.

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Speaker 4: Just so ridiculous because it's like, of course people mention

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Speaker 4: Like any regular person will get that as well. So, say,

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Speaker 4: if I was going to out with Luke's friends, it's

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Speaker 1: To me, that was just like.

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Speaker 4: It's like she was just talking to because she liked

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Speaker 3: Well that's the thing, I think, only because it was Vogue,

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Speaker 3: They've been together for a couple of years now, and

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Speaker 3: Like if Leonad DiCaprio wants to be a crazy womaniser

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Speaker 2: He's not.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure these women are being forced to date him,

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Speaker 3: but it does give this level of ickiness that I

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Speaker 3: that's an age gap I just can't quite get behind well.

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Speaker 4: And I actually recently read something really interesting that was like,

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Speaker 4: you have any mature twenty six year old male friends?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, but I mean he probably does have a

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Speaker 4: He's a bad example because yeah, he definitely would being

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this story was like sold across a

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Speaker 3: lot of publications as like, here's what it's really like

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Speaker 4: As if actually, I mean, it would have been kind

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Speaker 4: Because they aren't as much as what people think, there

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Speaker 3: And so with Victoria and Leonardo now, like they often

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Speaker 3: Yes, And she's done a number of tells over the years.

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Speaker 3: two gorgeous children, So.

433
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Speaker 5: You know, I'm very happy thoughts. Yes, you're not going

434
00:18:24,464 --> 00:18:27,424
Speaker 5: to open up your secret sides, are you.

435
00:18:28,704 --> 00:18:31,424
Speaker 3: It was the first time that me and Victoria had

436
00:18:31,464 --> 00:18:36,104
Speaker 3: been put under that kind of pressure in our marriage.

437
00:18:36,624 --> 00:18:37,864
Speaker 2: What are you thinking when you see this?

438
00:18:38,984 --> 00:18:43,344
Speaker 5: I'm thinking maybe he said think twice before he does

439
00:18:43,384 --> 00:18:45,864
Speaker 5: what he does, if he's worried about if this is

440
00:18:45,944 --> 00:18:47,944
Speaker 5: how the outcome is for him, That's what I'm thinking.

441
00:18:48,504 --> 00:18:51,784
Speaker 5: He's still saying the same thing twenty years after the fact.

442
00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:54,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane, it's crazy.

443
00:18:55,304 --> 00:18:57,384
Speaker 5: There were some over loads of horrible stories that are

444
00:18:57,384 --> 00:19:00,984
Speaker 5: horrible stories about me. There were horrible stories about his wife, Victoria.

445
00:19:01,104 --> 00:19:02,864
Speaker 1: They were never horrible stories about him.

446
00:19:02,944 --> 00:19:06,984
Speaker 5: He was golden balls. He was the man pat him

447
00:19:06,984 --> 00:19:09,144
Speaker 5: on the back, were hey, good for you. Nothing changed

448
00:19:09,184 --> 00:19:11,904
Speaker 5: in his life. But it was Victoria's fault, my fault.

449
00:19:12,344 --> 00:19:15,424
Speaker 5: All the blame was on us one hundred percent. It

450
00:19:15,464 --> 00:19:19,544
Speaker 5: was the hardest period for us because it felt like

451
00:19:19,584 --> 00:19:22,544
Speaker 5: the world was against us, and here's the thing, we

452
00:19:22,544 --> 00:19:26,064
Speaker 5: were against each other. If I'm being completely honest, did.

453
00:19:25,864 --> 00:19:27,864
Speaker 1: You feel bad for Victoria and the kids?

454
00:19:28,184 --> 00:19:28,584
Speaker 3: Yes?

455
00:19:28,864 --> 00:19:32,664
Speaker 5: I did, of course I did. I think and we

456
00:19:32,784 --> 00:19:35,584
Speaker 5: just live in a very unfair world unfortunately for women

457
00:19:36,104 --> 00:19:39,104
Speaker 5: when it comes to these sorts of things. You know,

458
00:19:40,144 --> 00:19:43,024
Speaker 5: men sleep around and their big old court heroes. We

459
00:19:43,104 --> 00:19:45,744
Speaker 5: sleep around and we're sluts. It's just the world we're in.

460
00:19:46,144 --> 00:19:49,224
Speaker 3: So if you're not across the story, David Beckham moved

461
00:19:49,304 --> 00:19:52,344
Speaker 3: to Spain to play for the football team Real Madrid

462
00:19:52,504 --> 00:19:54,144
Speaker 3: back in two thousand and three.

463
00:19:54,224 --> 00:19:56,944
Speaker 1: And in tale as Old as Time, yes.

464
00:19:56,864 --> 00:19:59,904
Speaker 3: Hooked up with his personal assistance. So Rebecca has always

465
00:19:59,904 --> 00:20:02,704
Speaker 3: said that first it was a very professional relationship, but

466
00:20:02,984 --> 00:20:05,704
Speaker 3: she said, like, you know, they're working so closely together,

467
00:20:06,224 --> 00:20:08,784
Speaker 3: and she was saying that he was the last person

468
00:20:08,824 --> 00:20:10,224
Speaker 3: she saw before he went to sleep at night. The

469
00:20:10,384 --> 00:20:12,384
Speaker 3: I was personally saw in the morning that this really

470
00:20:12,464 --> 00:20:15,704
Speaker 3: strong relationship. Victoria didn't move to Spain, which was this

471
00:20:15,864 --> 00:20:17,624
Speaker 3: huge thing at the time.

472
00:20:17,784 --> 00:20:18,784
Speaker 1: When she has the kids at home.

473
00:20:18,904 --> 00:20:19,664
Speaker 2: Well yes, they had.

474
00:20:19,544 --> 00:20:22,784
Speaker 3: Their two kids, Brooklyn and Romeo at the time, and

475
00:20:22,864 --> 00:20:24,064
Speaker 3: she was sort of saying like, I don't want to

476
00:20:24,064 --> 00:20:25,664
Speaker 3: pull them out of school, I don't want to move them.

477
00:20:25,664 --> 00:20:27,344
Speaker 3: But a lot of people saw that as her not

478
00:20:27,384 --> 00:20:30,304
Speaker 3: being supportive of David's career. But there's this huge thing

479
00:20:30,304 --> 00:20:33,224
Speaker 3: about like Victoria had abandoned David, and she wasn't moving

480
00:20:33,224 --> 00:20:35,504
Speaker 3: to Spain properly, and she wasn't like integrating into his

481
00:20:35,584 --> 00:20:37,944
Speaker 3: life all that sort of things. So Rebecca was saying

482
00:20:37,984 --> 00:20:40,744
Speaker 3: in this interview that she, you know, thought David was

483
00:20:40,744 --> 00:20:43,064
Speaker 3: a great guy, but we kept keeping it very professional.

484
00:20:43,384 --> 00:20:45,624
Speaker 3: And one night they were out in a nightclub and

485
00:20:45,664 --> 00:20:47,744
Speaker 3: she said, he just kept looking at me, and finally

486
00:20:47,784 --> 00:20:50,624
Speaker 3: I decided to go back to his hotel room, and

487
00:20:50,664 --> 00:20:55,544
Speaker 3: she said, the next morning, yeah, crhe She said, I

488
00:20:55,584 --> 00:20:57,824
Speaker 3: woke up with the biggest smile on my face. It

489
00:20:57,944 --> 00:20:59,664
Speaker 3: was naughty, and I did feel that it was wrong,

490
00:20:59,704 --> 00:21:01,344
Speaker 3: but at the same time, I was hooked.

491
00:21:02,264 --> 00:21:03,504
Speaker 1: So that's hot.

492
00:21:03,784 --> 00:21:05,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don know, it kind of is it is.

493
00:21:05,744 --> 00:21:06,304
Speaker 2: He's hot.

494
00:21:06,384 --> 00:21:06,904
Speaker 1: That's hot.

495
00:21:07,584 --> 00:21:09,664
Speaker 3: Kelly's so invested in there, She's like, let back in

496
00:21:09,704 --> 00:21:14,304
Speaker 3: her chair, she shuddered, laptops and just wants to hear

497
00:21:14,344 --> 00:21:17,104
Speaker 3: about the hot sex we well, unfortunately she doesn't go

498
00:21:17,264 --> 00:21:19,384
Speaker 3: much more into the sexy side of it, but she

499
00:21:19,504 --> 00:21:21,304
Speaker 3: just said, I fell a hook line and sinker for

500
00:21:21,464 --> 00:21:24,384
Speaker 3: every single cliche he fed me. So then she started

501
00:21:24,384 --> 00:21:25,864
Speaker 3: to think that it wasn't just a hookup, that he

502
00:21:25,904 --> 00:21:29,144
Speaker 3: actually really cared for her and potentially could be something.

503
00:21:29,464 --> 00:21:31,624
Speaker 3: But then about two weeks later, they were at a

504
00:21:31,784 --> 00:21:33,864
Speaker 3: mutual friend's birthday party, who I think is a very

505
00:21:33,864 --> 00:21:35,664
Speaker 3: famous footballer. Don't at me, I don't know who these

506
00:21:35,704 --> 00:21:38,464
Speaker 3: people are, and she saw him with this beautiful model

507
00:21:38,504 --> 00:21:40,224
Speaker 3: sort of almost doing the same thing, like giving her

508
00:21:40,304 --> 00:21:43,024
Speaker 3: a look across the room and like pursuing her. And

509
00:21:43,144 --> 00:21:45,224
Speaker 3: then she said that was when the realization just like

510
00:21:45,344 --> 00:21:47,864
Speaker 3: hit me that I had been played. But even then,

511
00:21:47,944 --> 00:21:49,664
Speaker 3: it's not like she Her side of the story is

512
00:21:49,704 --> 00:21:52,264
Speaker 3: that she didn't come out and tell the story to

513
00:21:52,304 --> 00:21:55,744
Speaker 3: get revenge on him. All these photos did start circuling

514
00:21:55,904 --> 00:21:58,664
Speaker 3: of them together, and all these rumors came out, and

515
00:21:58,904 --> 00:22:01,304
Speaker 3: so she came out and told the story of them

516
00:22:01,384 --> 00:22:04,264
Speaker 3: being together, and so they'd had an affair too, in

517
00:22:04,384 --> 00:22:08,104
Speaker 3: her words, like protect her reputation and say that it

518
00:22:08,184 --> 00:22:10,824
Speaker 3: was like a mutual, consensual thing, not that she was

519
00:22:10,864 --> 00:22:13,584
Speaker 3: this woman like attaching herself to this married man.

520
00:22:13,664 --> 00:22:16,624
Speaker 2: And then it blew up to like this because once.

521
00:22:16,464 --> 00:22:19,064
Speaker 4: Again it would have of course, it's her fault, not

522
00:22:19,344 --> 00:22:21,144
Speaker 4: the person that actually made the vows.

523
00:22:21,424 --> 00:22:23,704
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well, it's interesting in that situation. I mean,

524
00:22:23,744 --> 00:22:25,784
Speaker 3: obviously there was a lot of different coverage at the time,

525
00:22:25,904 --> 00:22:27,584
Speaker 3: but my memory of it, and I mean, I don't know.

526
00:22:27,624 --> 00:22:29,224
Speaker 3: I was a teenager, so obviously I wasn't like a

527
00:22:29,264 --> 00:22:31,504
Speaker 3: bit you know, invested in what a spice girl was

528
00:22:31,584 --> 00:22:34,624
Speaker 3: doing because I was still prime like spice girl age.

529
00:22:34,704 --> 00:22:37,384
Speaker 3: Even though the bands being broken up for a long time,

530
00:22:38,144 --> 00:22:41,064
Speaker 3: I still believe that. In this interview, Rebecca also said

531
00:22:41,104 --> 00:22:44,264
Speaker 3: that she wished she'd handled things differently and now she's like,

532
00:22:44,304 --> 00:22:46,024
Speaker 3: you know, a married mother of two, and she wishes

533
00:22:46,064 --> 00:22:48,824
Speaker 3: that she hadn't almost come out and ever said anything.

534
00:22:48,944 --> 00:22:50,184
Speaker 3: But at the same time she was like, I was

535
00:22:50,224 --> 00:22:52,904
Speaker 3: twenty six years old. It was like a global scandal.

536
00:22:53,264 --> 00:22:54,864
Speaker 3: I did what I thought at the time was the

537
00:22:54,984 --> 00:22:57,104
Speaker 3: right thing to do, which was to tell the truth.

538
00:22:57,344 --> 00:23:00,144
Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is in this interview she does

539
00:23:00,264 --> 00:23:03,904
Speaker 3: say that she went up against England's favorite son and

540
00:23:03,984 --> 00:23:06,184
Speaker 3: it was a harsh environment to go up against. But

541
00:23:06,624 --> 00:23:09,544
Speaker 3: the reason that they've never been able to sue her

542
00:23:09,824 --> 00:23:12,664
Speaker 3: or shut her up or do anything is because they

543
00:23:12,784 --> 00:23:15,144
Speaker 3: know she's telling the truth, which I've always thought is

544
00:23:15,224 --> 00:23:18,104
Speaker 3: quite interesting because for so many years people have thought

545
00:23:18,144 --> 00:23:20,584
Speaker 3: that she's lying, or she tried to get money from them,

546
00:23:20,664 --> 00:23:22,504
Speaker 3: or tried to be famous, and I guess she did

547
00:23:22,584 --> 00:23:25,224
Speaker 3: go on to like get a level of fame from it.

548
00:23:25,824 --> 00:23:28,544
Speaker 1: Not really, it's not like she's a recognizable face.

549
00:23:28,904 --> 00:23:30,024
Speaker 2: No, No, definitely not now.

550
00:23:30,144 --> 00:23:31,464
Speaker 3: But I think at the time she would be like

551
00:23:31,544 --> 00:23:33,744
Speaker 3: TV appearances, she would do like a lot of different

552
00:23:33,824 --> 00:23:34,824
Speaker 3: interviews and things.

553
00:23:35,224 --> 00:23:36,304
Speaker 2: So I think she was for a while.

554
00:23:36,344 --> 00:23:38,664
Speaker 3: But yeah, for the last decade at least until it

555
00:23:38,744 --> 00:23:42,184
Speaker 3: bubbled up with this Netflix documentary where they mentioned it

556
00:23:42,304 --> 00:23:44,544
Speaker 3: briefly talked about it being a hard time, and then

557
00:23:44,544 --> 00:23:47,224
Speaker 3: they kind of moved on that she hasn't spoken about

558
00:23:47,224 --> 00:23:50,424
Speaker 3: it in years, but she's always said that they She's like,

559
00:23:50,504 --> 00:23:52,464
Speaker 3: of course, I'm telling the truth. You think those two,

560
00:23:52,584 --> 00:23:53,624
Speaker 3: with all the money and.

561
00:23:53,704 --> 00:23:57,024
Speaker 1: Power they have, they would shut it down through me exactly.

562
00:23:56,824 --> 00:23:59,304
Speaker 3: Sue me too oblivion if I didn't have the defense

563
00:23:59,344 --> 00:24:01,584
Speaker 3: of it being true, which almost to be fair to

564
00:24:01,744 --> 00:24:04,824
Speaker 3: David and Victoria, who obviously seemed to have moved past that.

565
00:24:04,864 --> 00:24:05,664
Speaker 3: I mean, they're still married.

566
00:24:05,744 --> 00:24:06,544
Speaker 2: If fairs happened.

567
00:24:07,024 --> 00:24:09,304
Speaker 4: The outrage about it is quite funny when you think

568
00:24:09,304 --> 00:24:11,104
Speaker 4: about how common a fair actually are.

569
00:24:11,344 --> 00:24:13,344
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I said, it's the tale as old as time.

570
00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:17,624
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not this huge thing that people blow

571
00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:20,144
Speaker 4: it up to be like it's very normal, not normal,

572
00:24:20,264 --> 00:24:24,304
Speaker 4: but it's very okay, not okay, okay that that sounds bad.

573
00:24:24,464 --> 00:24:27,064
Speaker 4: He had an affair and they moved on. Yeah, that's

574
00:24:27,384 --> 00:24:30,824
Speaker 4: what happened. It was however long ago. It isn't this

575
00:24:31,064 --> 00:24:34,504
Speaker 4: life changing once in a lifetime thing because they actually

576
00:24:34,584 --> 00:24:36,184
Speaker 4: happen every single day. Yeah.

577
00:24:36,304 --> 00:24:38,064
Speaker 3: Well, I mean like there's always been this story around

578
00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:41,504
Speaker 3: Victorian and David Beckham that they potentially like have an

579
00:24:41,544 --> 00:24:44,464
Speaker 3: open marriage or yeah, or there's been like many affairs

580
00:24:44,504 --> 00:24:46,144
Speaker 3: over the years, and this one's the only one that's

581
00:24:46,184 --> 00:24:48,144
Speaker 3: really blown up, and that's why it's kind of been

582
00:24:48,184 --> 00:24:50,664
Speaker 3: harder to shut down. But yeah, I thought it was

583
00:24:50,744 --> 00:24:53,184
Speaker 3: interesting just watching the sixty minutes interview and kind of

584
00:24:53,664 --> 00:24:56,264
Speaker 3: looking back on it through like a different lens of like,

585
00:24:56,424 --> 00:24:59,544
Speaker 3: you know, this woman like completely dragged through the mudin Yeah,

586
00:24:59,704 --> 00:25:01,984
Speaker 3: and even Victoria people being like because there was also

587
00:25:02,064 --> 00:25:03,824
Speaker 3: this sentiment at the time which took a few years

588
00:25:03,864 --> 00:25:06,024
Speaker 3: to go away of Victoria Beckham being like, well, if

589
00:25:06,064 --> 00:25:07,984
Speaker 3: she'd just gone to Spain with her husband where she

590
00:25:08,064 --> 00:25:08,784
Speaker 3: should have been, he.

591
00:25:08,784 --> 00:25:10,944
Speaker 1: Would should have been looking after her man.

592
00:25:11,984 --> 00:25:13,744
Speaker 3: And I think now, like, I mean, not that things

593
00:25:13,784 --> 00:25:16,184
Speaker 3: are that much better. But I think now it's interesting

594
00:25:16,224 --> 00:25:17,984
Speaker 3: that a few more people look back at this story

595
00:25:18,064 --> 00:25:18,584
Speaker 3: and being.

596
00:25:18,464 --> 00:25:21,184
Speaker 1: Like the real dog here is David.

597
00:25:21,464 --> 00:25:23,944
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, but as she said, like he, you know,

598
00:25:24,104 --> 00:25:26,864
Speaker 3: England's favorite son, like the untouchable man who which I

599
00:25:26,904 --> 00:25:28,704
Speaker 3: guess it's still true, Like I feel like he still

600
00:25:28,744 --> 00:25:32,344
Speaker 3: is untouchable because people love him now, maybe even more

601
00:25:32,744 --> 00:25:35,064
Speaker 3: than before, because like before, like he had this huge

602
00:25:35,104 --> 00:25:37,224
Speaker 3: following of people who loved him for football, but now

603
00:25:37,304 --> 00:25:39,704
Speaker 3: like he's got this extra following of people who love

604
00:25:39,784 --> 00:25:42,864
Speaker 3: his love story Victoria, yeah, or love when they see

605
00:25:42,944 --> 00:25:44,784
Speaker 3: him interacting with his kids because like, oh, he's such

606
00:25:44,784 --> 00:25:46,824
Speaker 3: a good dad, which again I'm sure he is, and

607
00:25:46,944 --> 00:25:50,064
Speaker 3: they see him cooking and gardening, and Victoria's always posting

608
00:25:50,104 --> 00:25:52,464
Speaker 3: photos him around the house, being like, who would like

609
00:25:52,464 --> 00:25:54,224
Speaker 3: to see my hot husband? Like I'm happy to share

610
00:25:54,264 --> 00:25:56,664
Speaker 3: him with the world. So like it's interesting, but I

611
00:25:56,744 --> 00:25:59,024
Speaker 3: do find it interesting also how Rebecca's getting so much

612
00:25:59,064 --> 00:26:01,024
Speaker 3: backlash at the moment for doing this into you in

613
00:26:01,064 --> 00:26:03,384
Speaker 3: the first place. Even though I kind of get it,

614
00:26:03,464 --> 00:26:05,224
Speaker 3: it does seem like, I don't know, maybe should have

615
00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:08,064
Speaker 3: done it closer to the documentary coming out, But still

616
00:26:08,184 --> 00:26:10,184
Speaker 3: very interesting and if you're across the story a highly

617
00:26:10,504 --> 00:26:12,824
Speaker 3: and watching the entire sixteen minutes interview just to get

618
00:26:13,064 --> 00:26:15,304
Speaker 3: the full scope of what she's seen. Well, thank you

619
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Speaker 3: so much for listening to the Skill today, and thank

620
00:26:17,424 --> 00:26:19,864
Speaker 3: you Kelly for joining us and sharing your breaking Taylor

621
00:26:19,864 --> 00:26:22,904
Speaker 3: Swift news. Anytime engaged too, we'll get you on the

622
00:26:22,944 --> 00:26:25,304
Speaker 3: phone turn to write their engagement announcement.

623
00:26:25,464 --> 00:26:28,464
Speaker 4: Maybe she will listen to this and tell Travis you

624
00:26:28,584 --> 00:26:30,304
Speaker 4: know what, kel had a great idea.

625
00:26:30,384 --> 00:26:32,584
Speaker 1: I want the cat's gemstones on my ring.

626
00:26:32,624 --> 00:26:34,584
Speaker 3: Okay, the cats would be involved. She's a crazy cat

627
00:26:34,664 --> 00:26:38,424
Speaker 3: lady her all for that. The Spill is produced by

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Speaker 3: ned Green with sound production by Scott Stronik. And we'll

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Speaker 3: see you here back in your podcast feed at three

630
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Speaker 3: pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye, Lana