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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. If you've ever sent off your

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Speaker 2: want to pay attention because twenty three in meters bankruptcy

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Speaker 2: could put your genetic data up the sale. Plus, if

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Speaker 2: you've been left feeling some type of way at the

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Speaker 2: conclusion of The White Lotus season three, you're not alone.

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Speaker 2: We'll debrief and look to what's potentially in store for

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Speaker 2: season four. But first, here's Clem Murphy with the latest

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Speaker 2: from the QUICKI newsroom, fourth Thursday, April.

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Speaker 1: Ten, Thanks Taylor. US President Donald Trump has paused targeted

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Speaker 1: tariffs on most of the countries he singled out for

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Speaker 1: the next ninety days, while raising those on Chinese imports

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Speaker 1: to one hundred and twenty five percent. The ten percent

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Speaker 1: as will the tariffs on auto, steel and aluminium, meaning

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Speaker 1: tariffs impacting Australia will continue. Countries across the globe have

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Speaker 1: started retaliatory tariffs against the US. China announcing a hike

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Speaker 1: after Trump announced he would punish them for retaliating at all,

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Speaker 1: now impose twenty five percent tariffs on a range of

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Speaker 1: Trump claims the tariffs will help rebuild the industrial base

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Speaker 1: off the back of the news, Trump posting on social media,

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Speaker 1: a deal be made over negative gearing. Mister Bant gave

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Speaker 1: They can then deduct that loss against their income. Critics

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire? Next, what twenty three in these bankruptcy could

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Speaker 2: back to haunt the more than fifteen million customers, as

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Speaker 2: Doctor Meghan Prichter is a senior lecturer in Health Law

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Speaker 3: So twenty three and May holds the data of tens

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Speaker 2: Maybe people don't realize how much personal information they've actually shared,

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Speaker 3: So obviously it depends a lot on the individual and

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Speaker 2: Now, a US judge has ruled that twenty three and

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't think there's inherently a risk in it

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Speaker 2: So, as you said before, there are rights and sort

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Speaker 3: and so it's really impossible once that data has flowed

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Speaker 3: It's really impossible even to trace it to have it deleted,

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Speaker 2: More so, Look, I want to say spoilers ahead, but

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Speaker 2: This season has delivered the kind of twists that we've

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Speaker 2: editor Cass Green, is here to unpack all things White.

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Speaker 2: Lotus cast let's start with the finale. What have people's

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Speaker 4: Like, Yes, after a relatively slow season, it was an

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Speaker 4: Mike shouldn't have chickened from killing Lachlan Off, and that

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you say awful relationship because this has

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Speaker 3: They both died.

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Speaker 2: It was also one hundred percent Rick's fault. It's being

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Speaker 4: Yes, there's a lot of glorification of their romance online,

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Speaker 4: despite how dysfunctional it actually is. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: I think I clocked it a couple of episodes in

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Speaker 4: Definitely, And he even posted on social media saying this

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Speaker 2: Something else that was really interesting that we learned about

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Speaker 2: I like him as an individual. His approach to how

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Speaker 4: Yes, so every cast member receives the same pay packet.

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Speaker 2: When they do the credits, there's always like a discussion

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Speaker 2: All right, CAS, Season three is done, we've put it

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can hold on for that. I feel like

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Speaker 4: I love that she would be amazing and McCaulay, why

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylorstrano and

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Speaker 2: Claer Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.