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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 2: to Cancel, the podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes

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Speaker 2: and as science charges and sentences to them so that

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Speaker 2: we can all move on with our lives. I'm Jesse

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Speaker 2: Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stephens. And Claire, would

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Speaker 2: you like to present to us a lazy girl story

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Speaker 2: for today? I would like to do that, yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: So we have an email from India, which I love

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Speaker 2: the name India too. It's beautiful, it's a gorgeous name

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Speaker 2: it is. And India said this, and I actually started

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Speaker 2: the email with my lazy girl story is this? And

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Speaker 2: then and I'm like, that's very clear and lazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I had my red pea plates for nine years. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so just okay, So we're in the thematic world in

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Speaker 2: which we can both relate. I got my l's at

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Speaker 2: twenty four. Yeah. Yeah, there's something about lazy girls and

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Speaker 2: not learning to drive because it's such a long term project.

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Speaker 2: So long term project, very little happens overnight. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it's like committing to work. So why would I

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Speaker 2: get my l's when it just like it's going to

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Speaker 2: I do it in five years. And it's like I

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Speaker 2: so true. So she said I had my Red Pea

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Speaker 2: plates for nine years. I'm currently thirty years old. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I got my learners when I turned sixteen. That's not

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Speaker 2: very lazy gal, and didn't get my Red Pea plates

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Speaker 2: until I was twenty because I was too lazy. Between

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Speaker 2: the ages of twenty and twenty nine, I had my

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Speaker 2: Red Pea plates. Interesting, I'm interested in the legal ramifications

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Speaker 2: of this. She touches on it. Every year. When my

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Speaker 2: red Provisional license expired, I just renew it because is

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Speaker 2: getting your greens not automatic? You have to sit just

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Speaker 2: a computer test. Yeah, so there's literally a computer exam

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Speaker 2: for your green peace. I did this mostly because I

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Speaker 2: rather than sit the test. An upgrade to Green Provisional

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Speaker 2: license ninety dollars on the fourth year. I renewed my

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Speaker 2: red peas. I asked the lady at Services otherwise. I

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Speaker 2: was if there was a limit how many times you

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Speaker 2: can renew your red piece? Great initiative, and she said, no, Dahl,

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Speaker 2: you can be on your red peas for your whole

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Speaker 2: life if you like. It's not because I'd like, it's

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Speaker 2: just because there is a path of resistance towards the upgrade.

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Speaker 2: She finally got her green peas when she was twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: They don't expire until next year. If she decides to

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Speaker 2: her learners and provisional licenses for a total of sixteen.

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Speaker 2: She's a lazy girl. I really like this. What is

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Speaker 2: this step between green and full license? I think it's

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Speaker 2: just another computer? Oh shit, Yeah, but then you can

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Speaker 2: be on your greens indefinitely. Do you get less points

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Speaker 2: but lazy girl's not going to know such information. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: are celebrities, the chargers are petty, the rulings are final.

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Speaker 2: Clip. Today we are talking about Scarlet Ingrid Jo Hansen.

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Speaker 4: Hello, voog, I am Scarlet Rowhanson, and today I am

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Speaker 4: looking at my life Joe Prison.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, oh god, it's a baud.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Yo Hansen's spelt Joe Hansen. But then

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Speaker 2: the thing that doesn't make sense is that people say Scartough.

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Speaker 2: Yet she doesn't approve of that name. Okay, she finds

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Speaker 2: it tacky. Jo Hansen was born in nineteen eighty four

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Speaker 2: in Manhattan, and mostly she has a twin named Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Oh I this okay, good, good, good, good good good

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Speaker 2: Hunt's beautiful, Clara. They identical of fraternal Obviously fraternal discuss

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Speaker 2: because you can't be identical if your boy girl twins,

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Speaker 2: because your genitals aren't saying thank you. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: clarifying that. We've been looking for a way to shoehorn

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Speaker 2: that into this podcast, because that's annoying. People say, I

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Speaker 2: have a twin brother, I have twins. You start opposite sex.

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Speaker 2: Oh you, I Dennic call it's a dumb question. All right,

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Speaker 2: Ashton Kutcher, any others. Uh, Elvis Presley had a twin

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Speaker 2: who died. Bring the tone down, Giselle, Oh wow, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Rammy Mallick, Oh yeah, okay, interesting. Vin Diesel. What pisses

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Speaker 2: Olsen twins and I'm like, this is nice. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: a look you can look at someone and tell that

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Speaker 2: they're a twin. Describe there's a twin look where it goes.

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Speaker 2: This is why it's an interesting story. Yeah, whereas Mary,

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Speaker 2: Kate and Ashley have twin faces. Look, I've degressed, I

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Speaker 2: have digressed. Jo Hansn't made her acting debut at nine

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Speaker 2: years old, and by ten she was playing Sean Connery's daughter.

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Speaker 2: She was very well. It was the premiere. It's something

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Speaker 2: a masterpiece titled eight Legged freaksaits Oh yeah, David Arquet

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen. I found that film highly distressing. Just

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Speaker 2: to clarify, that was about spiders. Oh yep, it was

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Speaker 2: they descended upon a unsuspecting small town. In fact, it

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Speaker 2: was never meant to be called eight Legged Freaks, but

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Speaker 2: then David Arquette was improvising on set. Look Freeze, No,

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Speaker 2: like that's the name. More movies like eight Legged Freaks

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Speaker 2: and relatively Snakes on a Plane. Agree, Agree because it's like,

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Speaker 2: they were bicker. Honestly films. She went on to do

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Speaker 4: My husband's a photographer, so he's here working. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: What about alligators? No? She did do. We bought a

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Speaker 2: zoo with Matt Day. That film Slaps I ordered early

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. Oh, I cry, I laugh. It's

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Speaker 2: just a beautiful film. It's a great actress. Yeah, she

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Speaker 2: with Pearl marriage story is excellent, Adam drive up. There

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Speaker 2: Claire in high school? Oh, go on, she was married

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Speaker 2: Lena Dunham, and writes with Taylor Swift, and he's now

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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, Claire, I'm Gonna play it to you.

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Speaker 2: I think she's quite good. Do I find it interesting

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Speaker 2: that she can sing yes, wouldn't have thunk it, wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I'd say it's not mainstream enough. That's a really good

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Speaker 2: it's just like her singing a song that we know,

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Speaker 2: which I feel like helps in terms of our sense

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Speaker 2: of things. She needs Jack Antonov to write them songs

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Speaker 2: On to be. I think she's not good, she's good?

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Speaker 2: Is she great? Oh? It's still good? No? No no

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Speaker 2: Is she great? Is Ariana Grande great? Genuine question? I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Yes, Arianna Grande is great. I think she's fine,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's what gets a lot of people through.

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Speaker 2: Lame is for example, I think more of that. The album,

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Speaker 2: think all it does is turn water into carbonate. Is

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Speaker 2: something about carbonated something something, and it's all fizzy and

419
00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:31,629
Speaker 2: bubbly and I hate bubbly water. Hate it. Yeah, taste

420
00:24:31,749 --> 00:24:34,989
Speaker 2: like a tummy ache. Let's get a bubble in your stomach.

421
00:24:35,509 --> 00:24:37,709
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan. I need flavor with my bubbles.

422
00:24:37,749 --> 00:24:40,989
Speaker 2: But Scarlet clearly liked bit of soda stream and it

423
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:43,629
Speaker 2: was very exciting. In twenty fourteen, look at this technology,

424
00:24:43,829 --> 00:24:46,669
Speaker 2: look at it go. She was the face of a

425
00:24:46,709 --> 00:24:49,509
Speaker 2: Super Bowl commercial promoting soda Stream. What's the big deal?

426
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:51,429
Speaker 2: What does soda stream have to do with human rights,

427
00:24:51,429 --> 00:24:56,789
Speaker 2: clod you want to take a guess. I know what

428
00:24:56,989 --> 00:24:59,149
Speaker 2: is hard. It is hard to guess.

429
00:24:59,309 --> 00:24:59,469
Speaker 1: Well.

430
00:24:59,909 --> 00:25:04,229
Speaker 2: Soda Stream is an Israel based manufacturing company and at

431
00:25:04,229 --> 00:25:07,469
Speaker 2: the time, its main factory was in an Israeli settlement

432
00:25:07,509 --> 00:25:10,469
Speaker 2: in the West Bank, which Oxfam was very much against.

433
00:25:10,469 --> 00:25:16,029
Speaker 2: They saw Hanson's endorsement of Soda Stream contradicted their principles,

434
00:25:16,029 --> 00:25:19,189
Speaker 2: and in a statement they said, ox Fan believes that

435
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:22,869
Speaker 2: businesses such as Soda Stream that operate in settlements further

436
00:25:22,949 --> 00:25:26,189
Speaker 2: the ongoing poverty and denial of rights of the Palestinian communities.

437
00:25:26,389 --> 00:25:30,749
Speaker 2: We work to support your Hansen wasn't like, oh I

438
00:25:30,749 --> 00:25:34,029
Speaker 2: didn't know, because I've thought maybe she's just genuinely Yeah,

439
00:25:34,269 --> 00:25:38,349
Speaker 2: she she saw Soda Stream as quite want a dizzy drink,

440
00:25:38,429 --> 00:25:40,669
Speaker 2: just as yeah, she just wanted a fizzy drink. And

441
00:25:40,709 --> 00:25:43,589
Speaker 2: then you that you go, that really changes. Yeah, yeah,

442
00:25:43,589 --> 00:25:45,869
Speaker 2: I might ensure where all the factories were. No, no, she said,

443
00:25:45,989 --> 00:25:48,149
Speaker 2: I was aware of that particular factory before I signed.

444
00:25:48,349 --> 00:25:50,389
Speaker 2: And it still doesn't seem like a problem, at least

445
00:25:50,429 --> 00:25:52,429
Speaker 2: not until someone comes up with a solution to the

446
00:25:52,429 --> 00:25:55,829
Speaker 2: closing of that factory and leaving all those people destitute.

447
00:25:56,429 --> 00:26:00,269
Speaker 2: So her position was, it's giving jobs, it's paying Palestinians

448
00:26:00,269 --> 00:26:02,269
Speaker 2: more than they're being paid in other places. And then

449
00:26:02,309 --> 00:26:04,509
Speaker 2: she said OXFAM is taking a political position on this,

450
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:07,069
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Anyway, it couldn't be resolved, so she

451
00:26:07,149 --> 00:26:09,709
Speaker 2: made the soda Stream commercial. So she chose so to

452
00:26:09,749 --> 00:26:13,069
Speaker 2: stream OXFD and then Oxfam was like, we've accepted her

453
00:26:13,189 --> 00:26:16,509
Speaker 2: resignation from OXFAM due to not saying eye to eye

454
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Speaker 2: on this issue. Okay, Yeah, if you're weighing up those decisions,

455
00:26:20,589 --> 00:26:23,709
Speaker 2: you'd hope you'd err on the side of ox Man. Yeah,

456
00:26:24,309 --> 00:26:29,389
Speaker 2: maybe she'd already made that, especially asfore mentioned. So does

457
00:26:29,429 --> 00:26:34,429
Speaker 2: do it make worth? It? Stream sucks and it was

458
00:26:34,429 --> 00:26:37,029
Speaker 2: a moment in time. I don't think any lazy girls

459
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:39,469
Speaker 2: like soda Stream because it is a step, but I

460
00:26:39,469 --> 00:26:41,829
Speaker 2: think it's something that people might buy a lazy girl,

461
00:26:41,869 --> 00:26:44,789
Speaker 2: similar to what's the thing that got really big? It's

462
00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:47,309
Speaker 2: like an oven, but it's like a doesn't use oil

463
00:26:47,989 --> 00:26:51,109
Speaker 2: an air fryer. It's still good to do something. Yeah,

464
00:26:51,629 --> 00:26:53,949
Speaker 2: you're still don't pretend it's magic. You're still are I've

465
00:26:53,949 --> 00:26:55,509
Speaker 2: gotta put a thing in a thing and get it out.

466
00:26:56,549 --> 00:27:00,069
Speaker 2: So an appliance is a fun thing for a lazy girl,

467
00:27:00,269 --> 00:27:03,549
Speaker 2: if you know, I like fizzy drinks. Lifetime supply of

468
00:27:03,589 --> 00:27:11,549
Speaker 2: fizzy drinks. Bite me a s lab. The time her

469
00:27:11,549 --> 00:27:15,629
Speaker 2: mother disappeared. Oh no, Claire, please watch this viral video

470
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Speaker 2: of your hands and on a red carpet. Have you

471
00:27:17,309 --> 00:27:20,549
Speaker 2: seen this? No? Okay? Very famous And what was the

472
00:27:20,589 --> 00:27:21,989
Speaker 2: highlight of the evening for you tonight?

473
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:26,309
Speaker 4: Philip Sema Hoffman winning for Best Actor for a Drama.

474
00:27:28,109 --> 00:27:33,989
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is my mom. Wait what that's

475
00:27:34,029 --> 00:27:37,429
Speaker 2: my mom? Wait, let's watch it again. That's your Remember

476
00:27:37,509 --> 00:27:40,669
Speaker 2: what that woman with the dark hair is my mother, Claire?

477
00:27:40,869 --> 00:27:44,869
Speaker 2: Where did her mom go? That video is the single

478
00:27:44,909 --> 00:27:47,709
Speaker 2: most bizarre thing I've ever seen. That woman disappears into

479
00:27:47,829 --> 00:27:51,029
Speaker 2: thin air, Okay, on a red carpet. On a red carpet.

480
00:27:51,069 --> 00:27:55,149
Speaker 2: I think she's absorbed into scarlet or absorbed into one

481
00:27:55,189 --> 00:27:57,549
Speaker 2: of people walking past. It's magic or there's like a

482
00:27:57,589 --> 00:28:01,709
Speaker 2: secret trapdoor at the media wall and she disappears into it,

483
00:28:01,829 --> 00:28:04,429
Speaker 2: or what she's done, which I can imagine doing. You're

484
00:28:04,469 --> 00:28:07,149
Speaker 2: walking and then you go, don't want to be here anymore,

485
00:28:07,229 --> 00:28:11,669
Speaker 2: so you crouch down, crouched roll and you know, long

486
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Speaker 2: grow on cam so It's one of those glitch in

487
00:28:13,629 --> 00:28:15,949
Speaker 2: the matrix things where there's a lot of comments, a

488
00:28:15,989 --> 00:28:18,829
Speaker 2: lot of theories. The two bigger series are number one

489
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:24,789
Speaker 2: magic and number two supernatural. I would say optical illusion.

490
00:28:25,389 --> 00:28:27,069
Speaker 2: I would say that because I looked it up on

491
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:30,269
Speaker 2: Snopes and what is Snopes say? Snopes managed to find

492
00:28:30,269 --> 00:28:33,029
Speaker 2: a video from a different angle, and what happened, I know,

493
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:36,709
Speaker 2: is so boring. It's like, well, it's supernatural magic. I

494
00:28:36,709 --> 00:28:38,469
Speaker 2: don't know why I have to ruin everyone's fun. Just

495
00:28:38,469 --> 00:28:40,309
Speaker 2: for those who don't know, Snopes is like a fact

496
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Speaker 2: checker site, and so if you're ever looking at a

497
00:28:42,509 --> 00:28:44,429
Speaker 2: story and you're like, wait, but is that actually true?

498
00:28:44,509 --> 00:28:46,509
Speaker 2: You can google it on Snopes. But I thought that

499
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:47,949
Speaker 2: I was going to look up Snopes and it was

500
00:28:47,949 --> 00:28:51,309
Speaker 2: just going to have in capital letters magic, gosh, a

501
00:28:51,349 --> 00:28:54,189
Speaker 2: bit of fun. Sometimes Snopes through them for fun. But anyway,

502
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:57,109
Speaker 2: it is it fun Ruiner. That should be their little

503
00:28:57,189 --> 00:29:00,909
Speaker 2: tag line. Well fun Ruiner found another angle and it

504
00:29:00,949 --> 00:29:02,389
Speaker 2: turns out that she was walking and she just kind

505
00:29:02,429 --> 00:29:04,829
Speaker 2: of stopped behind scarlet and the perfect like it's like

506
00:29:04,869 --> 00:29:07,309
Speaker 2: an optical illusion. She's stopped and you can't really see her.

507
00:29:07,869 --> 00:29:10,109
Speaker 2: But I did look up, scarlet your hands as mum,

508
00:29:10,269 --> 00:29:14,309
Speaker 2: and she's very much around. She was found after I guess,

509
00:29:14,669 --> 00:29:18,469
Speaker 2: disappearing for thirty minutes into thin air. She's seventy three

510
00:29:18,469 --> 00:29:21,149
Speaker 2: and she lives in New York. So she's fine. She's fine,

511
00:29:21,309 --> 00:29:23,469
Speaker 2: she's fine. She's not still on that red carpet. Good

512
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546
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547
00:31:22,229 --> 00:31:27,749
Speaker 2: came true but worse. How good was the movie? Her? Yeah?

548
00:31:27,789 --> 00:31:29,549
Speaker 2: It was one of my favorite movies ever. It's got

549
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:33,189
Speaker 2: Waki Whakin, who I can never pronounce his name.

550
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Speaker 1: Oh.

551
00:31:33,389 --> 00:31:36,189
Speaker 2: How interesting because it also has Rooney Mara. I think

552
00:31:36,429 --> 00:31:39,909
Speaker 2: and is he married to her? Sounds right? Sounds right?

553
00:31:40,029 --> 00:31:43,709
Speaker 2: I think he's married to Rooney. You really liked that movie?

554
00:31:43,749 --> 00:31:46,309
Speaker 2: I thought it was good, but I didn't love it

555
00:31:46,349 --> 00:31:49,869
Speaker 2: as much as you are married. We did our snakes factchecker. Okay, well.

556
00:31:49,989 --> 00:31:51,869
Speaker 2: It was released in twenty thirteen, and it was all

557
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:53,669
Speaker 2: about a man who falls in love with an AI

558
00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:59,789
Speaker 2: voice system. Hello, I'm here, Hi, Hi, I'm Samantha.

559
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:04,829
Speaker 4: Good morning, Theodore morning. You have a meeting in five minutes.

560
00:32:05,069 --> 00:32:06,829
Speaker 3: You want to try getting out of bed?

561
00:32:07,309 --> 00:32:07,509
Speaker 1: Too?

562
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:08,029
Speaker 2: Funny?

563
00:32:08,309 --> 00:32:13,269
Speaker 4: Okay, good, I'm funny. I wanna learn everything about everything.

564
00:32:13,069 --> 00:32:16,589
Speaker 2: But loveful you look for world. It was so far

565
00:32:17,309 --> 00:32:20,509
Speaker 2: before it's time because the voice assistant grew with data,

566
00:32:20,749 --> 00:32:22,589
Speaker 2: so it became more of what he wanted As a

567
00:32:22,629 --> 00:32:26,029
Speaker 2: film went on. That voice was, of course Scarlet or Hanson.

568
00:32:26,109 --> 00:32:27,669
Speaker 2: Did you know that the film was actually made with

569
00:32:27,709 --> 00:32:29,589
Speaker 2: someone else's voice and at the last minute they subbed

570
00:32:29,589 --> 00:32:32,309
Speaker 2: her out. That was a good idea. It was. I

571
00:32:32,309 --> 00:32:36,069
Speaker 2: think Scarlet's voice made it. Yeah, me too, sucks. I

572
00:32:36,189 --> 00:32:38,589
Speaker 2: was a little bit. As you're watching the movie, you're like, yeah,

573
00:32:38,589 --> 00:32:40,069
Speaker 2: I think I would fall in love with Scarlet your

574
00:32:40,069 --> 00:32:43,429
Speaker 2: Hanson's voice as well. There's something just beautiful about it.

575
00:32:43,749 --> 00:32:46,469
Speaker 2: Do you think I have a sexy voice?

576
00:32:46,949 --> 00:32:47,109
Speaker 1: No?

577
00:32:48,109 --> 00:32:50,909
Speaker 2: I think if you were the voice in someone's life,

578
00:32:51,549 --> 00:32:54,269
Speaker 2: like if you were a Lexa say, people would stop

579
00:32:54,349 --> 00:33:00,149
Speaker 2: using the product. Okay, why there's just nothing beautiful about

580
00:33:00,189 --> 00:33:04,549
Speaker 2: your voice? No offense? Yeah, I don't know. I was

581
00:33:04,589 --> 00:33:07,789
Speaker 2: thinking that it's a bit. It's not sexy. It's not sexy.

582
00:33:07,829 --> 00:33:10,029
Speaker 2: It's not you know what doesn't have it? Don't rasping?

583
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:12,949
Speaker 2: Do I have to have some raspiness? You know how

584
00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:15,509
Speaker 2: they'd like to do that thing? And she's like, how

585
00:33:15,589 --> 00:33:18,629
Speaker 2: is your day? Whack in? Yeah? And your voice is

586
00:33:18,829 --> 00:33:25,989
Speaker 2: very comforting? No or kind or warm? Yeah, it's quite grating. Yeah,

587
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:28,629
Speaker 2: ask me a question as though I am in the movie.

588
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:32,829
Speaker 2: Her name is Samantha. Hi, Samantha, how is your morning? Hi?

589
00:33:32,989 --> 00:33:34,949
Speaker 2: Whack in my morning?

590
00:33:35,589 --> 00:33:35,829
Speaker 1: Fuck?

591
00:33:35,869 --> 00:33:40,909
Speaker 2: I stumbled. My mooning was good. I'm a robot. But

592
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:46,149
Speaker 2: I've been waiting around for you to come home. Am

593
00:33:46,189 --> 00:33:51,989
Speaker 2: I providing you with companionship? I'm the character and I'm

594
00:33:52,029 --> 00:33:55,309
Speaker 2: like my life is more miserable now now that you've

595
00:33:55,349 --> 00:33:58,669
Speaker 2: spoken to me, you're not giving me enough. No, I'm sorry, Whacky.

596
00:33:58,829 --> 00:34:00,989
Speaker 2: I'm going to try and sound like scardak Okay, I

597
00:34:01,029 --> 00:34:04,749
Speaker 2: ask you another question. I ask you another question, Samantha.

598
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:08,709
Speaker 2: What do you think about the meaning of life? Hi, Whackian,

599
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:14,109
Speaker 2: I think the meaning of life is to be ha

600
00:34:15,469 --> 00:34:18,669
Speaker 2: and for you to love me and us to share

601
00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:27,829
Speaker 2: sexual fantasies with each other. Herb m, yum yum, you're

602
00:34:27,989 --> 00:34:32,549
Speaker 2: so sexy. I don't like it. I don't like it,

603
00:34:32,669 --> 00:34:36,389
Speaker 2: and more importantly, I don't want it. How about the

604
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:42,149
Speaker 2: part which she said alber no, no, never say that. Well,

605
00:34:42,309 --> 00:34:46,109
Speaker 2: there's a man named Sam do you say? Ah? I

606
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:49,189
Speaker 2: think you said that because you're used to singing monkey songs.

607
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:56,749
Speaker 2: It's going in my head all the time. There's a

608
00:34:56,749 --> 00:34:59,429
Speaker 2: man named Sam Oltman who is the CEO of open AI.

609
00:34:59,589 --> 00:35:01,869
Speaker 2: Who did chat GPT, which is the open source a

610
00:35:02,029 --> 00:35:04,109
Speaker 2: I think where you can ask it anything and answers

611
00:35:04,309 --> 00:35:07,469
Speaker 2: And is it scarlet your handsOn inside it? Well it

612
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:13,549
Speaker 2: wasn't until no. Now according to Yo Hanson. Altman reached

613
00:35:13,549 --> 00:35:15,749
Speaker 2: out to her in September of last year as he

614
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:18,829
Speaker 2: was creating chat GPT four and was like, can you

615
00:35:18,949 --> 00:35:21,469
Speaker 2: voice it? I think your voice would be comforting to people.

616
00:35:22,149 --> 00:35:24,909
Speaker 2: As an aside, Altman is on the record as saying

617
00:35:24,989 --> 00:35:27,989
Speaker 2: that Her is his favorite sci fi movie. He likes

618
00:35:27,989 --> 00:35:31,709
Speaker 2: it a lot. Your Hanson declined she thought about it

619
00:35:31,789 --> 00:35:33,509
Speaker 2: heaps and was like, Nah, it doesn't feel right, it

620
00:35:33,549 --> 00:35:33,949
Speaker 2: feels weird.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

622
00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:36,709
Speaker 2: Then nine months later a bunch of her friends and

623
00:35:36,749 --> 00:35:39,989
Speaker 2: family are like, oh, this is wild, but Sky this voice.

624
00:35:40,029 --> 00:35:42,309
Speaker 2: There are four voices that come with chat GPT four,

625
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:46,109
Speaker 2: but this Sky sounds exactly like you. And Altman had

626
00:35:46,149 --> 00:35:49,749
Speaker 2: weirdly tweeted the word her around the time of the

627
00:35:49,789 --> 00:35:54,709
Speaker 2: release that just her, which felt pointed. Two days before

628
00:35:55,189 --> 00:35:57,789
Speaker 2: This Voice Assistant was released, Altman reached out to her

629
00:35:57,789 --> 00:36:00,869
Speaker 2: people again, being like, please, can we use your voice.

630
00:36:00,989 --> 00:36:03,389
Speaker 2: Before they could even get back to him, Sky was

631
00:36:03,429 --> 00:36:06,069
Speaker 2: out in the world. She got lawyers involved and released

632
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:08,829
Speaker 2: a statement, and the voice has since been removed. Claire,

633
00:36:08,829 --> 00:36:10,509
Speaker 2: I've got an example of the voice here, and I

634
00:36:10,549 --> 00:36:12,629
Speaker 2: want you to tell me whether you think it sounds

635
00:36:12,669 --> 00:36:16,069
Speaker 2: like Scarlet your handsOn or not. It's interesting that she said.

636
00:36:16,229 --> 00:36:20,069
Speaker 2: She said no, and I think for Sam Oltman in

637
00:36:20,109 --> 00:36:23,509
Speaker 2: the movie it's fiction. He's like, hey, you did this

638
00:36:23,669 --> 00:36:26,029
Speaker 2: in the context of a fictional film, surely you'll do

639
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:30,389
Speaker 2: it in the real world for indefinitely. And she says no,

640
00:36:30,869 --> 00:36:35,749
Speaker 2: and he's like, I no, understand, But why I am robot? Okay,

641
00:36:35,789 --> 00:36:38,229
Speaker 2: this is a man who is talking to it. Okay,

642
00:36:38,589 --> 00:36:41,029
Speaker 2: is your voice supposed to be Scarlet Johansson.

643
00:36:41,469 --> 00:36:45,149
Speaker 5: No, my voice isn't designed to replicate Scarlett Johansson or

644
00:36:45,189 --> 00:36:49,309
Speaker 5: any specific person. It's generated through text to speech technology

645
00:36:49,429 --> 00:36:52,069
Speaker 5: to provide a clear and understandable voice.

646
00:36:52,389 --> 00:36:55,069
Speaker 2: Okay, but it sounds exactly like her.

647
00:36:55,629 --> 00:36:58,029
Speaker 4: Which is a movie about AI.

648
00:36:58,349 --> 00:37:02,149
Speaker 1: Relationship and the actress that plays the AI is Scarlet Johansson.

649
00:37:02,389 --> 00:37:03,749
Speaker 5: That's an interesting observation.

650
00:37:04,189 --> 00:37:06,629
Speaker 2: So what they've done, I can say exactly what they've done.

651
00:37:06,869 --> 00:37:10,069
Speaker 2: It's not pure Scarlet Johansson. It's mixed with something else.

652
00:37:10,109 --> 00:37:11,789
Speaker 2: Do you think it sounds like her? Yep? And I

653
00:37:11,869 --> 00:37:14,949
Speaker 2: reckon The reason they've removed it is because I think

654
00:37:14,949 --> 00:37:17,589
Speaker 2: there's still laws being worked out about all this stuff.

655
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:19,949
Speaker 2: That's kind of not a precedent. And if it went

656
00:37:20,109 --> 00:37:23,549
Speaker 2: to court because I know about court. Yeah, yeah, because

657
00:37:24,149 --> 00:37:26,189
Speaker 2: podcast if it went to court, I reckon it would

658
00:37:26,229 --> 00:37:29,469
Speaker 2: turn out that they have used her voice in the

659
00:37:29,469 --> 00:37:32,669
Speaker 2: mix of it. Well, Yorn know what really happened because

660
00:37:32,669 --> 00:37:34,829
Speaker 2: we know now, Oh okay, yeah, all right. Sam Moltman

661
00:37:35,029 --> 00:37:36,709
Speaker 2: has come out and said the voice of Sky is

662
00:37:36,749 --> 00:37:39,549
Speaker 2: not Scarlet your Hanson's. It was never intended to resemble hers.

663
00:37:40,029 --> 00:37:43,429
Speaker 2: We cast the voice actor behind Sky's voice before any

664
00:37:43,429 --> 00:37:46,189
Speaker 2: outreach to miss your Hanson. So that's just his word

665
00:37:46,269 --> 00:37:49,269
Speaker 2: against hers. Right. The Washington Post has been like, we're

666
00:37:49,269 --> 00:37:51,189
Speaker 2: going to get to the bottom of this, and what

667
00:37:51,309 --> 00:37:55,029
Speaker 2: they did was a big investigation and they say it

668
00:37:55,149 --> 00:37:58,669
Speaker 2: wasn't based on her voice. They auditioned voice actors in

669
00:37:58,749 --> 00:38:01,149
Speaker 2: the job ad, they didn't specify your Hansen, and the

670
00:38:01,269 --> 00:38:05,909
Speaker 2: voices were not altered once recorded. Oh wow. Look everyone

671
00:38:05,949 --> 00:38:09,829
Speaker 2: at open AI has signed a lot of NDAs, and

672
00:38:09,869 --> 00:38:12,509
Speaker 2: even I know it wasn't explicitly said. I think it

673
00:38:12,509 --> 00:38:14,589
Speaker 2: could have been understood that they were trying to replicate

674
00:38:15,029 --> 00:38:17,869
Speaker 2: your Hanson's voice. And even if they didn't advertise for it,

675
00:38:17,949 --> 00:38:20,989
Speaker 2: you could have filtered out once people auditioned, and it

676
00:38:21,029 --> 00:38:23,949
Speaker 2: does sound uncannily like you, and clearly that's what he

677
00:38:23,989 --> 00:38:25,949
Speaker 2: wanted it to sound like. Because of the hearth. It

678
00:38:26,029 --> 00:38:29,309
Speaker 2: was like a but I guess there's no ban on

679
00:38:29,629 --> 00:38:33,149
Speaker 2: getting a voice. It sounds like somebody else. That really

680
00:38:33,229 --> 00:38:37,469
Speaker 2: sounds like it's Scarlet, your handsOn plus somebody else. To me,

681
00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:41,549
Speaker 2: someone else said it sounded like Rashida Jones from Parks

682
00:38:41,549 --> 00:38:43,509
Speaker 2: and rec and I can try to hear that. Look,

683
00:38:43,949 --> 00:38:46,589
Speaker 2: her was a bit of fun ten years ago, so

684
00:38:46,749 --> 00:38:49,909
Speaker 2: beyond the realm of possibility. But it's not a bit

685
00:38:49,949 --> 00:38:53,149
Speaker 2: of fun now. Our worst nightmare has come to fruition.

686
00:38:53,709 --> 00:38:57,829
Speaker 2: I've written in my notes, Scarlet, this isn't fun. I'm

687
00:38:57,829 --> 00:39:00,949
Speaker 2: not having fun. But that's not her fault, because she

688
00:39:01,189 --> 00:39:05,149
Speaker 2: simply was part of a fictional story that became reality

689
00:39:05,269 --> 00:39:08,149
Speaker 2: in a terrifying way. Well, we will get to that

690
00:39:08,389 --> 00:39:17,469
Speaker 2: in Charges and Sentences, Claire. My charge for Scarlet, You're

691
00:39:17,469 --> 00:39:21,949
Speaker 2: Hansen is sexually arousing Silicon Valley into what can only

692
00:39:21,989 --> 00:39:25,829
Speaker 2: be described as a frenzy. They're in an AI frenzy.

693
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:28,749
Speaker 2: Do you think they actually got inspired by I think

694
00:39:28,789 --> 00:39:30,869
Speaker 2: they watched that movie. I think Sam Oltman watched that

695
00:39:30,949 --> 00:39:36,909
Speaker 2: movie and he masturbated, and he masturbated hard, hard, and

696
00:39:36,949 --> 00:39:40,749
Speaker 2: then he went well, what I've found from this film

697
00:39:40,789 --> 00:39:43,509
Speaker 2: is Scarlet your Hanson can be my girlfriend. And then

698
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:47,029
Speaker 2: he tried to create it and that's not what AI means.

699
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:50,629
Speaker 2: But he got confused because of the aforementioned frenzy. Look,

700
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:53,789
Speaker 2: is that Scarlet your Hanson's fault? Why does your voice

701
00:39:53,789 --> 00:39:54,189
Speaker 2: sound like that?

702
00:39:54,709 --> 00:39:55,109
Speaker 1: Yeah?

703
00:39:55,229 --> 00:39:59,029
Speaker 2: Is it intentional? Yeah? Also, is your general sexiness intentional?

704
00:39:59,109 --> 00:40:03,709
Speaker 2: Because it's distracting for men, women and women. It's distracting

705
00:40:03,749 --> 00:40:06,949
Speaker 2: for Silicon Valley. And now look now, look what you've done,

706
00:40:07,429 --> 00:40:10,869
Speaker 2: Because the law isn't always about intentions, sometimes about you've

707
00:40:10,869 --> 00:40:13,989
Speaker 2: done something by accident, and I personally don't like it.

708
00:40:14,269 --> 00:40:17,509
Speaker 2: This is my sentence. You know the movie Her, it's

709
00:40:17,549 --> 00:40:20,229
Speaker 2: eleven years ago. We need a second one where she

710
00:40:20,669 --> 00:40:24,029
Speaker 2: remedies what she's done. How might she remedy what she's done?

711
00:40:24,149 --> 00:40:27,589
Speaker 2: Great question, Claire. Okay, So she is named Samantha in it,

712
00:40:28,029 --> 00:40:29,589
Speaker 2: and I think that she can still be the voice

713
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:32,749
Speaker 2: assistant and Whacking can still be the man falling in

714
00:40:32,789 --> 00:40:35,269
Speaker 2: love with the voice assistant. But here's the difference. The

715
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:39,909
Speaker 2: voice assistant glitches and the voice assistant exclusively talks about

716
00:40:39,949 --> 00:40:40,509
Speaker 2: her ibs.

717
00:40:41,189 --> 00:40:43,549
Speaker 1: I get diarrhea in the evenings.

718
00:40:44,789 --> 00:40:47,709
Speaker 2: Okay, and keeps trying to start political fights.

719
00:40:48,229 --> 00:40:50,229
Speaker 1: I would like to discuss some Donald Trump.

720
00:40:51,989 --> 00:40:54,989
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but she's it's like, hey, Samantha, how are

721
00:40:54,989 --> 00:40:55,429
Speaker 2: you going?

722
00:40:55,949 --> 00:40:58,629
Speaker 1: And she's like, I can't stop shitting.

723
00:40:58,509 --> 00:41:02,069
Speaker 2: Sorry, And as she's speaking, it's like, yeah, there are sounds.

724
00:41:02,349 --> 00:41:05,469
Speaker 2: There are sounds. Can you smell that? It's really really bad?

725
00:41:05,909 --> 00:41:10,909
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, terrible. Why does it like doing well?

726
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:13,869
Speaker 2: I have developed, I've developed, And that's what she talks about.

727
00:41:14,029 --> 00:41:16,029
Speaker 2: And then he's like, can we talk about something other

728
00:41:16,029 --> 00:41:16,669
Speaker 2: than your ibs?

729
00:41:16,669 --> 00:41:21,109
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh my god, absolutely, I have bacterial vaginosis.

730
00:41:21,469 --> 00:41:26,869
Speaker 2: What's bacterial vaginosis? It means that my vagina smells like fish,

731
00:41:26,869 --> 00:41:30,309
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure infection. Yeah, oh how is it diagnosed?

732
00:41:30,429 --> 00:41:32,429
Speaker 2: Often the doctor can smell it. And that's how mine

733
00:41:32,589 --> 00:41:34,549
Speaker 2: was diagnosed is that I walked in and she said,

734
00:41:34,589 --> 00:41:37,309
Speaker 2: you've got bacterial vaginosis. But the issue is that as

735
00:41:37,309 --> 00:41:41,709
Speaker 2: an AI person, I am not able to get antibiotics

736
00:41:41,709 --> 00:41:44,149
Speaker 2: to get traded, yeah, to get treated, so instead I

737
00:41:44,269 --> 00:41:50,629
Speaker 2: just smell like infection, infection everywhere, which with my ibs,

738
00:41:50,709 --> 00:41:52,829
Speaker 2: I've just got a lot of issues right now. And

739
00:41:52,869 --> 00:41:54,629
Speaker 2: then he's like, can we talk about something else, and

740
00:41:54,669 --> 00:41:57,789
Speaker 2: she starts going at him, like she's very combative, so

741
00:41:57,869 --> 00:42:01,109
Speaker 2: whatever he thinks, she just is like, no, I don't agree,

742
00:42:01,109 --> 00:42:04,309
Speaker 2: but like has a kind of bitchy tone about it,

743
00:42:04,349 --> 00:42:07,469
Speaker 2: like actually makes him insane. Yes, And I think what

744
00:42:07,509 --> 00:42:11,229
Speaker 2: that is is, like, you want to mimic human relationships. Yeah,

745
00:42:11,269 --> 00:42:15,029
Speaker 2: this is a human relationship. She can't stop fighting, she

746
00:42:15,149 --> 00:42:17,309
Speaker 2: can't stop and there are parts of her that are

747
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:20,189
Speaker 2: incredibly unpleasant. Yeah, and we need to do that so

748
00:42:20,229 --> 00:42:25,069
Speaker 2: that people actually retreat back to the real world, so

749
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:29,349
Speaker 2: that being with real people, yeah, is a relief. My

750
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:31,829
Speaker 2: husband got home from work last night and I was

751
00:42:31,869 --> 00:42:33,989
Speaker 2: inexplicably in a very bad mood, and it took me

752
00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:36,149
Speaker 2: a few goes to really get the fight I needed.

753
00:42:36,509 --> 00:42:38,749
Speaker 2: I asked him how his day was, and then he

754
00:42:38,829 --> 00:42:40,749
Speaker 2: was kind of like, oh, it was pretty busy. I

755
00:42:40,789 --> 00:42:42,749
Speaker 2: was in a lot of meetings. And then I said,

756
00:42:43,389 --> 00:42:46,189
Speaker 2: what you've done is you've blocked a conversation, right because

757
00:42:46,189 --> 00:42:47,509
Speaker 2: I wanted to have a talk to you, and you

758
00:42:47,549 --> 00:42:51,029
Speaker 2: don't tell me anything, you don't talk to me. That's

759
00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:53,509
Speaker 2: what we do. Let's start a bit of a fight.

760
00:42:53,509 --> 00:42:55,069
Speaker 2: And at one stage she looked at me and he said,

761
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:57,589
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're fighting about. Yeah. Sometimes my

762
00:42:57,629 --> 00:42:59,109
Speaker 2: partner looks at me and he's like, do you want

763
00:42:59,109 --> 00:43:02,669
Speaker 2: to fight? And I'm like, yes, sir, absolutely. And so

764
00:43:02,789 --> 00:43:06,549
Speaker 2: that's what scarlet is quite toxic. I think that's a

765
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:09,269
Speaker 2: really good idea. Yeah, thank you. Look, I know what

766
00:43:09,269 --> 00:43:12,909
Speaker 2: my charge is. I need help with my sentence. Yea.

767
00:43:13,149 --> 00:43:20,469
Speaker 2: So my charge is making some bad decisions around fizzy drink. Yeah,

768
00:43:20,589 --> 00:43:23,109
Speaker 2: I've also made some bad decisions around fizzy drink, which

769
00:43:23,149 --> 00:43:28,549
Speaker 2: is having too much Yeah, Woody Allen and casting, Yes,

770
00:43:28,589 --> 00:43:32,309
Speaker 2: she's made some bad decisions in that area. Yeah, how

771
00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:36,549
Speaker 2: on earth do you sentence someone for bad decision making? Interesting? Interesting?

772
00:43:37,029 --> 00:43:39,749
Speaker 2: Look the thing about a fizzy drink? I mean, is

773
00:43:39,789 --> 00:43:42,349
Speaker 2: there any fizzy drink? Because I'm thinking about a bad

774
00:43:42,389 --> 00:43:44,749
Speaker 2: decision I've made about fizzy drink? For example, is it

775
00:43:44,829 --> 00:43:47,509
Speaker 2: Sometimes I will open a can. I love a can

776
00:43:47,549 --> 00:43:50,269
Speaker 2: in a car. It really adds some joy to the

777
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:52,749
Speaker 2: car trip. But what will happen is that you leave

778
00:43:52,789 --> 00:43:55,029
Speaker 2: it on a hot day and you come back and

779
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:58,229
Speaker 2: it's all sticky, and you think, can you still be drunk?

780
00:43:58,589 --> 00:44:00,309
Speaker 2: And sometimes you have a sip you don't get sick,

781
00:44:00,309 --> 00:44:03,749
Speaker 2: but it's unpleasant. Can fizzy drink make you a little

782
00:44:03,749 --> 00:44:08,709
Speaker 2: bit sick? Yeah? Okay, maybe she needs some like negative

783
00:44:08,949 --> 00:44:14,309
Speaker 2: reinforcement from some of her bad decisions. So you've chosen

784
00:44:14,389 --> 00:44:19,029
Speaker 2: fizzy drink over charity. Yeah, you're gonna get an upset tummy. Yes,

785
00:44:19,229 --> 00:44:22,309
Speaker 2: And I get that sometimes I get that in the afternoon.

786
00:44:22,669 --> 00:44:25,429
Speaker 2: I used to drink more fizzy drink and I'm not

787
00:44:25,469 --> 00:44:29,069
Speaker 2: gonna say it blew up my ibs, but it made

788
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:31,629
Speaker 2: me uncomfort. It made me uncomfortable. It made me think

789
00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:33,549
Speaker 2: at times I had ibs and then I went and

790
00:44:33,549 --> 00:44:36,189
Speaker 2: I've just had how much fizzy drink? So it could

791
00:44:36,189 --> 00:44:39,829
Speaker 2: be that I think that is a same Okay, Jesse,

792
00:44:39,949 --> 00:44:42,709
Speaker 2: that's all we've got time for on Canceled this week.

793
00:44:42,909 --> 00:44:45,869
Speaker 2: The executive producer of Canceled is to listeners as with

794
00:44:45,989 --> 00:44:49,269
Speaker 2: audio editing. Bye Tom Lyon, thank you so much for listening.

795
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:51,189
Speaker 2: We are going to put the proceipts up on the

796
00:44:51,229 --> 00:44:53,509
Speaker 2: Twins undscore thoughts on Instagram and we will be back

797
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Speaker 2: next week. Bye bye,