WEBVTT - Decoding Kate's Comeback & That Bridgerton Sex Scene 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:23.767 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:23.847 --> 0:00:26.647 Mamma Mia Out Loud. What women are actually talking about 0:00:26.687 --> 0:00:30.767 on Monday, the seventeenth of June. I am Holly Wainwright, I'm. 0:00:30.527 --> 0:00:34.087 Mea Friedman and I'm Jemma Bath filling in for Jesse Stevens. 0:00:34.127 --> 0:00:35.927 I host another podcast from Mamma. 0:00:35.727 --> 0:00:40.327 Mia called True Crab Conversations. It's less murders on this show. Yes, good, 0:00:40.367 --> 0:00:40.967 that's a good thing. 0:00:43.207 --> 0:00:47.567 And on the show today a Princess's brave face, the 0:00:47.687 --> 0:00:51.367 very planned optics of Kate's return to work. And it's 0:00:51.367 --> 0:00:53.607 a fact it's never been harder to be the thirty 0:00:53.647 --> 0:00:57.207 something in Australia. But also millennials are about to get really, 0:00:57.407 --> 0:01:01.207 really rich. And what's different about the sex scenes you 0:01:01.247 --> 0:01:04.087 spent the weekend watching? But first, Jemma Bath. 0:01:04.727 --> 0:01:07.007 In case you missed it, a name that might be 0:01:07.087 --> 0:01:10.847 familiar to you, Bruce Werman. He's expected to appear in 0:01:10.847 --> 0:01:14.887 a Toomber court today for a committal hearing over rape charges. 0:01:15.567 --> 0:01:18.407 He's been charged with two counts of rape dating back 0:01:18.487 --> 0:01:21.687 to October twenty twenty one. Now we don't know the 0:01:21.687 --> 0:01:24.527 identity of his accuser, but we know that she is 0:01:24.567 --> 0:01:27.367 twenty nine and she allegedly met Lehman at a strip 0:01:27.407 --> 0:01:29.567 club in his hometown of Toowoomba. 0:01:29.847 --> 0:01:31.687 She says he gave her a. 0:01:31.727 --> 0:01:36.647 False name, Bryce, pretty close to Bruce, and she alleges 0:01:36.807 --> 0:01:38.767 that they left the club and went to a friend's 0:01:38.767 --> 0:01:42.167 house and got into bed together. She told him they 0:01:42.167 --> 0:01:44.807 wouldn't be having sex without a condom. They kissed and 0:01:44.847 --> 0:01:48.167 she fell asleep. She claims when she woke up, he 0:01:48.287 --> 0:01:50.607 was having sex with her, and says the next day 0:01:50.647 --> 0:01:53.687 he took her to get a morning after pill. Originally, 0:01:53.727 --> 0:01:56.047 when this story broke, Lehman was only referred to as 0:01:56.047 --> 0:01:59.847 a high profile man in media reports. That Queensland laws 0:01:59.927 --> 0:02:02.287 changed in October last year which allowed. 0:02:02.087 --> 0:02:03.047 Us to name him. 0:02:03.567 --> 0:02:05.407 This is the first time he's appeared in court in 0:02:05.447 --> 0:02:08.887 person for this matter, and basically this hearing will decide 0:02:08.967 --> 0:02:11.407 whether the chargers will be taken to trial. 0:02:11.647 --> 0:02:14.767 That sounds you can hear is me Mia and Jebba 0:02:14.767 --> 0:02:16.887 biding our tongues just a little bit. And if you're 0:02:16.927 --> 0:02:18.807 wondering if there should have been any more details in 0:02:18.847 --> 0:02:27.247 that segment. There are legal reasons why there aren't in 0:02:27.367 --> 0:02:31.487 last week's chaotic Royal rundown. I told you, gentle listeners, 0:02:31.727 --> 0:02:35.447 as out Loud's Fancy Society correspondent as I am, that 0:02:35.647 --> 0:02:38.807 Kate watch was back. It had been three months since 0:02:38.887 --> 0:02:42.127 those edited pictures of the Princess of Wales had made 0:02:42.207 --> 0:02:45.807 photo experts of the entire world, and we were getting restless. 0:02:46.207 --> 0:02:48.967 How is she going as she goes through her cancer treatment. 0:02:49.927 --> 0:02:52.967 Kate listened clearly to MEA's gentle urging for an update 0:02:53.007 --> 0:02:56.247 on her health, and on Friday night, Our Time, the 0:02:56.247 --> 0:02:59.407 Prince and Princess of Wales's official Instagram account released an 0:02:59.407 --> 0:03:02.527 image of Kate forest bathing, which is walking in the. 0:03:02.447 --> 0:03:04.087 Woods with some news. 0:03:04.527 --> 0:03:07.727 She said, I am making good progress, but as anyone 0:03:07.767 --> 0:03:10.167 going through chemotherapy will know, there are good days and 0:03:10.207 --> 0:03:13.447 bad days. On those bad days, you feel weak, tired 0:03:13.527 --> 0:03:15.767 and you have to give into your body resting. But 0:03:15.887 --> 0:03:18.167 on the good days, when you feel stronger, you want 0:03:18.207 --> 0:03:20.447 to make the most of feeling well. My treatment is 0:03:20.447 --> 0:03:22.847 ongoing and will be for a few more months. On 0:03:22.887 --> 0:03:24.767 the days I feel well enough, it's a joy to 0:03:24.847 --> 0:03:27.767 engage with school life spend personal time on the things 0:03:27.767 --> 0:03:30.687 that give me energy and positivity, as well as starting 0:03:30.687 --> 0:03:33.447 to do a little work from home. I'm looking forward 0:03:33.527 --> 0:03:36.647 to attending the King's Birthday parade this weekend with my family, 0:03:36.967 --> 0:03:39.407 and I hope to join a few public engagements over 0:03:39.447 --> 0:03:42.167 the summer, but equally knowing I'm not out of the 0:03:42.167 --> 0:03:47.167 woods yet. Catherine was coming back to work, and she 0:03:47.287 --> 0:03:50.207 did less than twenty four hours later in her first 0:03:50.207 --> 0:03:53.047 official appearance, that is an appearance not in a paparazzi 0:03:53.047 --> 0:03:57.207 photo taken with a long lens since Christmas. The next day, 0:03:57.247 --> 0:03:59.487 you would have had to be entirely out of Wi 0:03:59.527 --> 0:04:01.807 Fi range to have missed the photos of her attending 0:04:01.887 --> 0:04:04.127 the Trooping of the Color, which is the King's birthday, 0:04:04.207 --> 0:04:05.567 big deal in England. 0:04:05.607 --> 0:04:06.407 It's like a big. 0:04:06.247 --> 0:04:09.607 Military parade, and Prince William was in the parade. He 0:04:09.647 --> 0:04:11.727 was on a horse in one of those big furry hats. 0:04:11.727 --> 0:04:14.567 Don't ask me what all that means. Kate looked immaculate, 0:04:14.807 --> 0:04:17.887 healthy and happy, riding in a carriage with her kids 0:04:17.927 --> 0:04:20.447 and doing the traditional balcony appearance where she was given 0:04:20.527 --> 0:04:24.047 prime position next to the King. It would have been knackering, 0:04:24.327 --> 0:04:28.327 no question, but Kate's appearance was roundly received as a 0:04:28.367 --> 0:04:32.127 reassuring and joyous display that one of the most famous 0:04:32.127 --> 0:04:35.647 women in the world is okay. The thing is, of course, 0:04:35.647 --> 0:04:38.207 she's not quite okay, as she says so herself, some 0:04:38.407 --> 0:04:42.527 days she's shit, although she didn't put it quite like that. Mia, 0:04:42.647 --> 0:04:44.687 did you love Kate's brave face. 0:04:45.407 --> 0:04:49.647 I'm so overjoyed, first of all, to see her face. 0:04:49.887 --> 0:04:51.887 And I know that it sounded silly when I was 0:04:51.927 --> 0:04:55.207 saying last week, I'm just on an update. The parasocial 0:04:55.287 --> 0:04:58.167 relationship we have with people in the public eye who 0:04:58.207 --> 0:05:01.727 we feel we know is a real thing. I mean, 0:05:01.767 --> 0:05:05.167 the relationships not real, but the fact that we care 0:05:05.207 --> 0:05:08.087 for them and we want them to be okay. I 0:05:08.087 --> 0:05:11.327 mean not everybody does, but some of us do. I 0:05:11.567 --> 0:05:14.767 scrutinized her more than I've ever scrutinized anyone in a 0:05:14.767 --> 0:05:19.167 public appearance, and I was very observant of myself doing that. 0:05:19.767 --> 0:05:23.087 I thought the fact that she wore a very fitted 0:05:23.407 --> 0:05:27.687 white dress or white suit was very interesting, and what 0:05:27.767 --> 0:05:30.367 I realized is HARKing back to something that I read 0:05:30.527 --> 0:05:33.407 a few months ago. When she disappeared. That first photo 0:05:33.487 --> 0:05:36.367 came out and turned out to be airbrushed, and there's 0:05:36.407 --> 0:05:39.727 this sense of when the only access you have to 0:05:39.847 --> 0:05:42.447 someone is looking at them, which is the case pretty 0:05:42.487 --> 0:05:44.567 much for the royal family. Right, we don't know really 0:05:44.567 --> 0:05:47.247 anything about them. We just know essentially what they look 0:05:47.367 --> 0:05:50.327 like and what they choose to tell us. So we 0:05:50.487 --> 0:05:52.967 have to draw a lot of conclusions from what they wear, 0:05:53.687 --> 0:05:56.807 what their body looks like, what their facial expressions are, 0:05:56.847 --> 0:05:59.967 and now of course lip readers. And there's something about 0:05:59.967 --> 0:06:03.047 being a princess more than anything else, that their value 0:06:03.487 --> 0:06:09.647 is in their physicality. It's in literally showing up bodily 0:06:10.487 --> 0:06:17.327 for events, for official things, bringing attention to charities, And 0:06:17.367 --> 0:06:21.047 so the burden of that, even when you don't have cancer, 0:06:21.047 --> 0:06:23.767 in the whole world is not particularly looking at you 0:06:24.807 --> 0:06:28.527 must be unimaginable. And all I could think about was 0:06:28.567 --> 0:06:30.927 the pressure that she must have been under. And maybe 0:06:30.967 --> 0:06:32.607 she was like, this is her job, So maybe she 0:06:32.687 --> 0:06:34.207 was genuinely over joyed to be out of the house. 0:06:34.247 --> 0:06:36.247 We've all been locked down with illness and we know 0:06:36.287 --> 0:06:39.087 what that feels like. But I felt for all the 0:06:39.127 --> 0:06:43.407 cancer sufferers, survivors, people who were battling it, who looked 0:06:43.407 --> 0:06:45.607 at it and went ah. 0:06:45.527 --> 0:06:49.327 Right, I felt Similarly, I have quite a few people 0:06:49.647 --> 0:06:52.687 in my family and in my close circle that are 0:06:52.767 --> 0:06:55.127 have just gotten through cancer treatment or are currently going 0:06:55.167 --> 0:06:58.007 through it. And when I saw her, of course I 0:06:58.047 --> 0:07:01.687 was happy for her the individual, but I felt a 0:07:01.687 --> 0:07:07.047 bit sad for my family members at home, thinking I 0:07:07.087 --> 0:07:11.007 don't look anything like that in fact, my body, my face, 0:07:11.447 --> 0:07:14.407 my hair. I compare it to the beauty standards conversation 0:07:14.647 --> 0:07:19.047 where we look at super skinny, beautiful women and we 0:07:19.127 --> 0:07:22.927 compare ourselves to that and the expectations we put on that. 0:07:23.567 --> 0:07:27.047 In the same sense, here cancer patients looking at her, 0:07:27.087 --> 0:07:30.047 going yeah, well, if I don't look like that, am 0:07:30.087 --> 0:07:31.687 I doing something wrong? 0:07:31.887 --> 0:07:32.767 Letting the side down? 0:07:32.847 --> 0:07:35.367 Yeah, I hear that, and I have read it. There 0:07:35.407 --> 0:07:38.087 was a comment in out loud as from somebody who 0:07:38.287 --> 0:07:40.967 clearly felt similarly and not very understandably, who said, did 0:07:41.047 --> 0:07:43.687 she get a special type of no hair loss, no grayskin, 0:07:43.847 --> 0:07:46.767 no mouth soors chemo. Honestly, I wish her well, of 0:07:46.767 --> 0:07:48.327 course she's a mom and a human being. But for 0:07:48.367 --> 0:07:51.087 the cancer patients who lose every hair on their body 0:07:51.127 --> 0:07:53.967 and think they'll never look human again, it seems demoralizing, 0:07:54.047 --> 0:07:57.887 not inspiring, And I thought that was really interesting and 0:07:57.967 --> 0:08:00.247 of course entirely valid. But what a lot of people 0:08:00.247 --> 0:08:04.367 have pointed out is that chemotherapy is not one experience 0:08:04.447 --> 0:08:08.047 for everybody, and there are plenty of ordinary in inverted 0:08:08.087 --> 0:08:11.407 commas have to work through chemo. A lot of women do, 0:08:11.687 --> 0:08:14.047 un men, obviously, but we're talking about women who have 0:08:14.167 --> 0:08:16.127 to put on a brave face, as it were, not 0:08:16.207 --> 0:08:19.167 to the Kate level, but to keep going, keep moving, 0:08:19.367 --> 0:08:21.647 keep putting their foot forward. And I don't know, I 0:08:21.687 --> 0:08:25.127 think I agree that in some ways it's like, oh, 0:08:25.167 --> 0:08:28.007 but she looks fine, but I think she had no choice. 0:08:28.087 --> 0:08:30.727 You've got to remember that to get her out of 0:08:30.727 --> 0:08:33.407 the house that day. Whatever Kate looks like on an 0:08:33.487 --> 0:08:36.167 ordinary Tuesday morning when she's finding it hard to get 0:08:36.207 --> 0:08:38.287 out of bed, to get her out of that house 0:08:38.287 --> 0:08:41.127 that day, she has a team. She has literally a team, 0:08:41.527 --> 0:08:44.087 and their number one job would have been make Kate 0:08:44.167 --> 0:08:48.567 look like Kate always looks, to reassure everybody that she 0:08:48.927 --> 0:08:50.727 is fine. That shit holds. 0:08:51.127 --> 0:08:54.847 That's what drives me crazy is this insistence that women, 0:08:54.887 --> 0:08:57.167 no matter what we're going through, we've just had a baby, 0:08:57.327 --> 0:09:00.687 we're pregnant, we're old, we're getting a hip replacement we're 0:09:00.807 --> 0:09:05.047 undergoing chemo. We must look perfect, we must look the same, 0:09:05.407 --> 0:09:09.087 We must be unchanged physically by any experience that happens 0:09:09.087 --> 0:09:09.167 to you. 0:09:09.687 --> 0:09:12.247 I don't think that's necessarily true of this, because I 0:09:12.287 --> 0:09:15.847 think we really applaud people who publicly come out and 0:09:15.927 --> 0:09:19.447 show their shaved heads or their masectomy scars. 0:09:19.007 --> 0:09:19.527 Like we do. 0:09:19.567 --> 0:09:22.967 We really applaud that because it reflects reality. But we're 0:09:22.967 --> 0:09:25.287 not looking at the Royal family for reality. What this 0:09:25.407 --> 0:09:30.167 whole very very stage managed return to work. I actually 0:09:30.207 --> 0:09:32.687 think they've handled it brilliantly. I think that their team 0:09:32.727 --> 0:09:36.087 has worked out all the messes that they made earlier 0:09:36.127 --> 0:09:39.007 in the year when they were with the airbrush pictures, 0:09:39.047 --> 0:09:41.007 and to give them benefit of the doubt, they're in 0:09:41.087 --> 0:09:44.847 uncharted waters there. But this has been handled brilliantly, with 0:09:44.887 --> 0:09:47.927 the announcement from Kate very quickly before it happened, so 0:09:47.967 --> 0:09:50.087 there's not too much speculation to be able to build up. 0:09:50.447 --> 0:09:53.287 But literally, her team would have been their brief would 0:09:53.287 --> 0:09:56.767 have been, she needs to look perfect, and with that 0:09:56.887 --> 0:09:59.727 amount of effort around you and all the hair pieces 0:09:59.727 --> 0:10:01.767 in the world and all the makeup teams and the 0:10:01.807 --> 0:10:04.047 cat anybody can look like. 0:10:04.007 --> 0:10:05.967 That for a day. Can I clarify. 0:10:06.087 --> 0:10:09.887 Also, none of what I'm saying is a criticism, it's observation, 0:10:10.487 --> 0:10:12.647 and I think those two things it's really important to 0:10:12.647 --> 0:10:15.967 make that distinction because it's like, she owes us nothing 0:10:16.247 --> 0:10:18.247 in terms of could she have come out in a 0:10:18.247 --> 0:10:20.887 headscarf and would she have done that, would she have 0:10:20.927 --> 0:10:23.407 appeared in public if in fact she never had hair. 0:10:23.727 --> 0:10:26.367 That is completely up to her to decide, and every 0:10:26.407 --> 0:10:29.127 person has to make their own decisions. But I was 0:10:29.527 --> 0:10:33.807 interested in this collective relief that you could feel that 0:10:33.967 --> 0:10:38.687 Kate looks exactly the same and is completely unchanged. And 0:10:38.727 --> 0:10:41.407 that was like reassuring for the masses, I guess on 0:10:41.447 --> 0:10:45.207 some level, but frustrating from a beauty standards point of 0:10:45.287 --> 0:10:47.367 view that we just never get a fucking break. But 0:10:47.447 --> 0:10:49.687 that's why two truths can live in the same world. 0:10:50.007 --> 0:10:51.967 We can be happy for Kate, but we can be 0:10:52.087 --> 0:10:54.607 sad for the people that looked at her on the 0:10:54.647 --> 0:10:55.727 weekend and struggled. 0:10:55.807 --> 0:10:58.527 I don't think that's about beauty standards though. I don't 0:10:58.527 --> 0:11:00.647 think it's about beauty standards. I think this is very 0:11:00.687 --> 0:11:04.327 much about royals and about that very like at all times, 0:11:04.367 --> 0:11:07.007 appearance is what matter. When you're royals, as you already 0:11:07.007 --> 0:11:09.487 said me, or it's literally their job and they don't 0:11:09.487 --> 0:11:11.767 want everybody to freak out. As we know, Royal family 0:11:11.807 --> 0:11:14.127 are on sort of rocky ground at the moment on 0:11:14.247 --> 0:11:16.727 all kinds of fronts, from the fact that they've lost 0:11:17.007 --> 0:11:18.967 two very prominent members to the fact that the King 0:11:19.047 --> 0:11:22.087 is unwell to the fact that the whole institution is 0:11:22.127 --> 0:11:24.967 on the nose. I don't think that we should be 0:11:25.047 --> 0:11:28.047 looking at this as a straight up beauty standard story. 0:11:28.087 --> 0:11:30.527 This is very much about the image that they had 0:11:30.567 --> 0:11:33.527 to project. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that 0:11:33.607 --> 0:11:36.407 down the line we might get a photo release of 0:11:36.447 --> 0:11:39.567 a very different version of Kate that's also very stage managed. 0:11:39.607 --> 0:11:41.447 But the idea that she would go out on the 0:11:41.527 --> 0:11:45.527 King's birthday looking anything other than how she looked is 0:11:45.607 --> 0:11:47.687 kind of unimaginable in royal world. 0:11:47.607 --> 0:11:50.447 It is, but that's what's depressing to me that if 0:11:50.447 --> 0:11:52.807 she doesn't meet that beauty standard, and imagine how this 0:11:52.927 --> 0:11:55.447 must feel for her, right she doesn't meet this beauty standard. 0:11:55.847 --> 0:12:03.327 Best we stay indoors. 0:12:04.007 --> 0:12:04.887 We're millennials. 0:12:04.967 --> 0:12:07.287 We work hard and have nothing to show for it. 0:12:07.607 --> 0:12:09.847 We're millennials, are dogs, have more. 0:12:09.687 --> 0:12:12.247 Followers than you on Instagram from millennials. 0:12:12.327 --> 0:12:14.247 We google it sixty times a day. 0:12:14.527 --> 0:12:17.647 There's good and bad news for millennials this week. The 0:12:17.647 --> 0:12:21.127 good news is we're potentially about to be really, really 0:12:21.367 --> 0:12:25.527 rich over the next twenty years. Millennials are poised to 0:12:25.567 --> 0:12:29.567 inherit ninety trillion dollars worth of assets and become the 0:12:29.727 --> 0:12:32.727 richest generation in history according to the Wealth Report. 0:12:33.647 --> 0:12:35.727 But it's by a few houses with that amount of money. 0:12:35.767 --> 0:12:39.367 Holy but but but this will only be the case 0:12:39.407 --> 0:12:42.887 for those who already come from affluent families, which could 0:12:42.887 --> 0:12:47.407 potentially deepen wealth inequality further. The thing is, this is 0:12:47.447 --> 0:12:49.727 quite about the bad news because that don't sound great. 0:12:49.767 --> 0:12:52.407 It's coming, it's coming. There's more bad news because the 0:12:52.447 --> 0:12:54.327 thing is this is quite a few years off for 0:12:54.407 --> 0:12:55.247 most millennials. 0:12:55.367 --> 0:12:57.327 People are living longer and longer, which is great. 0:12:57.647 --> 0:12:59.967 I as a millennial myself, don't even want to think 0:12:59.967 --> 0:13:03.287 about my parents not being here. But the bad news. 0:13:03.407 --> 0:13:06.447 Here's the bad news is that there's never been a 0:13:06.487 --> 0:13:10.207 worse time in Australian history to be thirty year old. 0:13:10.447 --> 0:13:12.247 Well, you don't want to hurry your parents along because 0:13:12.247 --> 0:13:14.447 that's a bit rude, but you would like their money. 0:13:14.567 --> 0:13:16.807 Yes, could I have a question about the thirty year 0:13:16.847 --> 0:13:19.447 olds because I have also heard this and I have 0:13:19.647 --> 0:13:21.807 changed my opinion about it since I fought with Jesse 0:13:21.887 --> 0:13:23.407 about it because I just didn't want to give us 0:13:23.407 --> 0:13:25.847 something to feel sorry for a self about. So I 0:13:25.887 --> 0:13:27.687 recognize that this is a real thing. But when we 0:13:27.727 --> 0:13:30.087 say the worst time ever, do we mean financially? 0:13:30.367 --> 0:13:32.327 I want to play a little grab to start off. 0:13:32.447 --> 0:13:35.007 It's from the ABC show gruin last week. 0:13:35.167 --> 0:13:36.087 Russell Holcroft. 0:13:36.167 --> 0:13:38.527 He's a panelist on the show. He's also a marketing guru. 0:13:38.687 --> 0:13:42.127 He said this, It's a fact that when I was thirty, 0:13:42.727 --> 0:13:45.967 the house cost me three times my salary. Now eight 0:13:46.047 --> 0:13:48.327 times plus for a thirty year old is what it's 0:13:48.327 --> 0:13:50.327 going to cost you to get into the housing market. 0:13:50.727 --> 0:13:55.327 It's true that hex has doubled in the last fifteen years, right, 0:13:55.647 --> 0:13:58.167 doubled from a fifteen thousand dollar bill to a thirty 0:13:58.167 --> 0:14:02.607 thousand dollar bill. It's true that a baby boomer paid 0:14:02.727 --> 0:14:04.967 half the tax that a thirty year old pays now 0:14:05.007 --> 0:14:06.447 when they were thirty years of age. 0:14:06.527 --> 0:14:10.887 So for context, Russell Holcroft is genexa. He would be 0:14:11.047 --> 0:14:13.607 like us. I remember my parents bought their first house 0:14:13.647 --> 0:14:18.007 together for I think forty six thousand dollars. That is 0:14:18.127 --> 0:14:19.367 mind blowing, Sydney. 0:14:19.447 --> 0:14:23.527 I'm thirty three, and honestly, hearing Holcroft say that made 0:14:23.527 --> 0:14:26.247 me feel quite relieved because I thought I was going 0:14:26.287 --> 0:14:29.687 a bit crazy. It feels like right now everyone in 0:14:29.727 --> 0:14:32.727 my generation is talking about the cost of living and 0:14:32.767 --> 0:14:36.007 how hard it is to make those big purchases in 0:14:36.047 --> 0:14:40.967 our life, like houses and weddings and big life moments. 0:14:40.527 --> 0:14:42.607 Because really it's really really. 0:14:42.367 --> 0:14:46.607 Tricky, and it made me feel quite validated hearing him 0:14:46.647 --> 0:14:49.727 spell it all out like that, because it feels like 0:14:49.767 --> 0:14:51.607 we're pushing against a brick wall. 0:14:51.967 --> 0:14:52.807 Away the brick wall. 0:14:52.967 --> 0:14:55.727 We're not the brick wall people. One of the things 0:14:55.727 --> 0:14:58.367 we have to think about when we have these generational fights, right, 0:14:58.527 --> 0:15:00.847 is that the reason people get defensive about it, and 0:15:00.887 --> 0:15:02.767 I get a bit defensive about it as gen Xa, 0:15:02.807 --> 0:15:04.567 Like when Jesse brought this up before, I'm like, oh, 0:15:04.647 --> 0:15:06.247 you make it so like I heard it easy. I 0:15:06.287 --> 0:15:09.207 didn't have it easy. And the thing is is, because 0:15:09.367 --> 0:15:11.287 there isn't anything you can do about the generation you're 0:15:11.327 --> 0:15:13.527 born into, right, it's not the boomer's fault that they 0:15:13.567 --> 0:15:15.847 were the baby boomers. They've just played the hand that 0:15:15.887 --> 0:15:18.487 they got. The thing you can change is the thing 0:15:18.567 --> 0:15:21.807 that made the boomers so successful, which is much better 0:15:21.847 --> 0:15:26.047 social policies around access to things like education and keeping 0:15:26.087 --> 0:15:29.527 it cheap, and like inflation and keeping it down the 0:15:29.607 --> 0:15:32.367 problem with this conversation is it too often becomes a 0:15:32.447 --> 0:15:36.607 generational bond fight, as if we're like the gen Y 0:15:36.727 --> 0:15:38.727 and Z are really mad with the boomers, as if 0:15:38.767 --> 0:15:39.927 they've done something wrong. 0:15:40.167 --> 0:15:43.727 I'm not mad at you. I'm really not. No, no, no, 0:15:43.767 --> 0:15:46.287 I know you're not a millennial. I'm not boomers. 0:15:46.327 --> 0:15:48.567 Just to be clear, people have come on this podcast 0:15:48.607 --> 0:15:51.887 as guest hosts. I've really learned a lesson the hard 0:15:51.887 --> 0:15:54.087 way when they have referred to holly and ized boomers. 0:15:54.127 --> 0:15:57.127 So you have been warned that is your first strike strike. 0:15:57.447 --> 0:15:59.847 I know that you, personally, GENMA are not mad and 0:15:59.887 --> 0:16:01.847 as Mia says, we're not boomers, we're gen XI is 0:16:01.847 --> 0:16:05.367 a very the forgotten generation. But generally it does get 0:16:05.447 --> 0:16:07.607 like that. You look at the dialogue on social media 0:16:07.727 --> 0:16:10.247 and it's kind of like give us your house, Boomer, right, 0:16:10.287 --> 0:16:14.047 that's kind of the vibe, and I understand it. But 0:16:14.247 --> 0:16:16.327 that's not the solution, is it. 0:16:16.367 --> 0:16:18.247 But the solutions aren't. 0:16:17.887 --> 0:16:20.767 They're going to give you their houses in the end. 0:16:20.887 --> 0:16:23.447 They are, but it's Gen X and the boomers that 0:16:23.487 --> 0:16:25.447 are currently in positions of power to be able to 0:16:25.527 --> 0:16:28.087 change said social policies, to be able to make it 0:16:28.127 --> 0:16:31.527 easier for us. So we're not annoyed at everyday boomers 0:16:31.527 --> 0:16:34.287 and Gen X. I'm annoyed that our governments are ignoring 0:16:34.327 --> 0:16:36.927 our pleas for help. That's what I'm annoyed at. I'm 0:16:36.967 --> 0:16:38.967 running my own race. There's a little millennial in my 0:16:39.007 --> 0:16:41.687 little millennial pool. I just want to be able to 0:16:42.007 --> 0:16:44.207 do things. And you know the way, we need more 0:16:44.247 --> 0:16:47.567 millennials in our fers. Like seriously, you always need a 0:16:47.607 --> 0:16:50.407 real cross section of generations. I was hearing over the 0:16:50.407 --> 0:16:54.887 weekend that they're trying to put an age cap in 0:16:55.167 --> 0:16:58.367 Congress in the US because it's full of eighty and 0:16:58.447 --> 0:17:01.407 ninety year olds. I think that the average age of 0:17:01.607 --> 0:17:04.807 a senator or a congressman in Washington is. 0:17:04.807 --> 0:17:08.487 Like eighty What a thirty year old needs and want, 0:17:08.647 --> 0:17:10.527 So they're trying to cap it at like eighty one, 0:17:10.527 --> 0:17:13.647 and they don't things like childcare and things like legislation 0:17:13.727 --> 0:17:17.447 around the internet and social media. You need a real 0:17:17.487 --> 0:17:21.887 cross section in every parliament, of ages, of genders, of 0:17:22.207 --> 0:17:23.447 socioeconomic groups. 0:17:23.447 --> 0:17:24.047 It's crucial. 0:17:24.407 --> 0:17:27.047 In Australia, it's not too bad, but I hear you 0:17:27.047 --> 0:17:29.127 you one hundred percent do me or you're right. But 0:17:29.167 --> 0:17:31.127 also one of the reasons why this is difficult to 0:17:31.127 --> 0:17:34.327 grapple with is it hasn't happened for generations, right. The 0:17:34.367 --> 0:17:36.887 reason why this is such a tragedy really, and what 0:17:37.007 --> 0:17:38.887 Horcroft is trying to explain there, and he does it 0:17:39.007 --> 0:17:41.087 very well, is that for millennials and gen Z is 0:17:41.127 --> 0:17:43.807 this is the first time in three generations that the 0:17:43.887 --> 0:17:46.047 children are going to be worse off than their parents, 0:17:46.087 --> 0:17:49.327 which is where this inheritance thing comes in, Right, Baby 0:17:49.327 --> 0:17:52.447 Boom is inherited next to nothing from their parents because 0:17:52.487 --> 0:17:55.127 the Great Depression, all of those things. Gen X, we're 0:17:55.127 --> 0:17:57.487 not going to get much, right, Millennials are going to 0:17:57.487 --> 0:17:59.887 get a lot of money one day. They're calling it 0:17:59.967 --> 0:18:02.727 the Great Wealth Transfer. This isn't only in Australia, it's 0:18:02.727 --> 0:18:04.967 in America. It's in all kinds of countries, and it's 0:18:05.007 --> 0:18:08.847 going to be so seismic. You're right, gem that on 0:18:08.887 --> 0:18:11.207 an in visual level, this is only going to benefit 0:18:11.287 --> 0:18:13.647 you if your parents are doing well. But the reason 0:18:13.687 --> 0:18:16.727 why it's a bigger picture thing is it literally is 0:18:16.767 --> 0:18:19.967 the first time that your standard of living is going 0:18:20.007 --> 0:18:22.047 to be lower than your parents by the time you 0:18:22.127 --> 0:18:25.007 reach a significant point in your career, and so they're 0:18:25.007 --> 0:18:28.327 figuring out how to handle that. And the argument about 0:18:28.327 --> 0:18:30.527 whether or not you should be hurrying your parents along 0:18:31.207 --> 0:18:34.567 is kind of humorous, except it's not. Because one of 0:18:34.647 --> 0:18:38.167 the big conversations is about whether or not boomers and 0:18:38.407 --> 0:18:42.567 older gen xers should be disincentivized to keep hold of 0:18:42.607 --> 0:18:44.967 their family homes, for example, to force them back onto 0:18:45.007 --> 0:18:47.807 the market for young people. But then the young people 0:18:47.807 --> 0:18:49.727 aren't going to be able to afford to buy them anyway. 0:18:50.087 --> 0:18:52.367 And they just did this survey in Australia about whether 0:18:52.487 --> 0:18:56.447 or not boomers were willing to drop their lifestyle expectations 0:18:56.887 --> 0:18:59.007 to help their kids out. And while lots of people 0:18:59.047 --> 0:19:01.887 are doing that, another lot of boomers are also like, well, no, 0:19:02.047 --> 0:19:04.167 because I worked really hard for this and why should 0:19:04.207 --> 0:19:06.807 I be on two minute noodles in my retirement. And 0:19:06.847 --> 0:19:09.207 that's where all the emotions and the argument stuff. 0:19:09.447 --> 0:19:11.287 But this is why the bank of Mum and Dad 0:19:11.767 --> 0:19:14.287 people scoff at that and at those headlines but it's 0:19:14.327 --> 0:19:18.687 actually such an important part of our current society. I 0:19:18.727 --> 0:19:20.607 know that I probably wouldn't have had a wedding if 0:19:20.687 --> 0:19:22.567 I hadn't have had help from my parents. I also 0:19:22.567 --> 0:19:26.167 wouldn't be in the relatively comfortable apartment i'm in if 0:19:26.167 --> 0:19:29.327 my parents and in laws hadn't helped me, because even 0:19:29.367 --> 0:19:31.967 though my husband and I are on relatively good incomes, 0:19:32.967 --> 0:19:36.647 we couldn't afford what is currently out there in the world. 0:19:36.727 --> 0:19:37.367 We do live. 0:19:37.207 --> 0:19:41.327 One of the most expensive cities in Australia in the world. 0:19:42.007 --> 0:19:44.767 It shouldn't be this tough, and that is why my 0:19:44.927 --> 0:19:48.087 generation is looking to their parents to help them now, 0:19:48.487 --> 0:19:51.007 not once they die, because now is when we need it. 0:19:51.047 --> 0:19:53.407 I'm currently trying to build a family. 0:19:53.327 --> 0:19:55.767 That if giving with a warm hand rather than a 0:19:55.807 --> 0:20:00.207