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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Mamma Mia out Loud and to

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Speaker 2: our Friday show, where you will hear not a peep,

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Speaker 1: I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm Meya Friedman, and I am not

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Speaker 1: Jessee Stevens. I am Amelia Lester, filling in for Jesse.

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Speaker 2: On today's show. We're millennials, the last generation to really

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Speaker 2: have it all. That slight crunch you could here is

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Speaker 1: Is one I know loud. That's why so you and

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Speaker 2: Recommendations include a deeply original novel, some no bullshit health

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Speaker 2: advice and a lipliner, and our Best and Worst of

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Speaker 1: First mea Friedman In case you missed it. There are

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Speaker 1: five main reasons why women break up with their hairdresser,

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Speaker 1: according to an unscientific investigation in the Age by reporter

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Speaker 1: what they are. How many times do you think the

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Speaker 1: average woman goes to the hairdresser in her lifetime?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, just quickly, just off the top of

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Speaker 1: Over a whole life. Do maths one hundred four hundred.

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Speaker 1: It's one hundred and fifty on average, five times a

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Speaker 1: year except during COVID, where we cut our own fringes.

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Speaker 1: There are sixty three thousand hairstylists currently employed across Australia,

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Speaker 1: and at any given moment, many of us are moving

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Speaker 1: between them, leaving one trying another. Here are the five

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Speaker 1: reasons why. Number one, they don't listen. So if you say,

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Speaker 1: a county bob. Do you know what I'm referring to it?

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Speaker 1: She released a video with her and Chris McMillan, who

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Speaker 1: is Jennifer Andison's headdresser, and they call this hairstyle the

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Speaker 1: county bob. Do just think anyone ever breaks up with Chris McMillan.

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Speaker 1: I have some feedback for him about Jennifer Aniston's hair.

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Speaker 1: I think that I don't think she needs to break

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Speaker 1: up with him. And maybe it's her not him, but

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Speaker 1: I would like her hair to evolve. I think it

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's not you, it's me, Chris.

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Speaker 1: I'll DM him anyway. The second reason, you don't feel

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Speaker 1: because I sometimes apply this to friendships. You know, when

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Speaker 1: And it could be burdened, it could be drained, it

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Speaker 1: it's probably a reason that you might want to break up.

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Speaker 1: Third reason, they're always running late. Got to respect people's time.

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Speaker 1: It can be, but you know their time is precious too.

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Speaker 1: And the fifth reason, they make you feel uncomfortable. I

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Speaker 1: sitting in the chair, hair or wet and maybe foils,

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Speaker 1: and you might say things to your hairdresser. They might

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Speaker 1: So this is a topic nearing to my heart. Then

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Speaker 3: I think it's because you can charge a lot when

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a steady hairdresser until me. I did

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Speaker 1: So you were constantly breaking up with people, I'd.

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Speaker 2: Be like, whoever can pit me in? And I have

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Speaker 1: I've evangelized my hairdresser, but now everyone on Out Loud

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Speaker 1: elle A Edwards, and I'm going this week. Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: MEA's backseat driving my hair. Generational wars are an enormous

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Speaker 1: Can you summarize that fire? Do you think it's just

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Speaker 2: Yes, because now that millennials are, you know, in their

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Speaker 2: are the young people, and young people like to sledge

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Gen x's have just become irrelevant and or cute,

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Speaker 2: I think we have only become cooler. Meal We are cool,

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Speaker 1: Not how they kill a fight. They see us as cute,

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Speaker 2: It's like they do genes cute and kind of bombling

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Speaker 1: And I said that to us the other day.

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Speaker 2: But this essay that we're going to talk about today

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Speaker 2: written by American content creators. She would hate that tag, Liz.

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Speaker 2: It's called millennials were the last generation to have it all.

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Speaker 2: the main argument about being jen Yan young was the

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Speaker 2: Social media was essentially one big group chat, just a

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Speaker 1: Yes, life was.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 3: So you'll notice that I bought the side part energy

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Speaker 1: It really did in your Rocketcas.

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Speaker 3: I'm reclaiming it, and I want to point out to

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Speaker 1: What it feels like.

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Speaker 3: But look, I think this is very profound in the

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Speaker 3: think that's maybe what Liz Plank is missing a little

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Speaker 3: need to explain that for us, we saw a stable,

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Speaker 3: were consuming her music as gossip and connecting the dots

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Speaker 3: of her music in a way that was quite distinct

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Speaker 3: from when Lemonade came out twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, it was a quite different way.

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Speaker 3: You were listening to the music first and foremost, yes,

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Speaker 3: but now it's different.

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Speaker 1: And Taylor very much pioneered easter egg culture from a

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Speaker 1: mainstream point of view. Yes, intentionally dropping and creating all

436
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Speaker 1: of those easter eggs.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that Liz Plank says in this

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Speaker 2: and obviously she's very specific media lens, and she made

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Speaker 2: her name in like startup internet businesses like BuzzFeed.

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Speaker 1: Fun fact about Liz Plank. She also co hosted a

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Speaker 1: podcast with Justin Baldoni That's Feminism. Quite recently quit after

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Speaker 1: the New York Times story.

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Speaker 2: And in this piece she writes about the enthusiasm of

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Speaker 2: that time, like throwing yourselves into these kind of startups,

445
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Speaker 2: working like a mofo, like never you know. She says,

446
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Speaker 2: we didn't go home till late, and we didn't want to.

447
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Speaker 2: That's where we found our family was fun back then. Yeah,

448
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Speaker 2: and she says that we even though she says with

449
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Speaker 2: kind of with hindsight, there was a fair amount of

450
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Speaker 2: exploitation in a way. It meant that people could build

451
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Speaker 2: these careers and it felt very exciting and you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were institutionalists. I think we were the last institutionalist.

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Speaker 3: So we entered the workforce wanting to climb the corporate ladder.

454
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Speaker 3: The notion of work life balance was not important to us.

455
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Speaker 3: The word hustle was glorified. Leaning In, Leaning In, I

456
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Speaker 3: watched The Devil We was prior recently a great movie.

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Speaker 3: Love Stanley Tucci and love Anne Hathaway, but it feels

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Speaker 3: like a relic.

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Speaker 1: Of another time.

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Speaker 3: The whole notion that you should sacrifice yourself to work

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Speaker 3: in order to get this delayed promise of getting ahead,

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Speaker 3: that just feels so alien now.

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Speaker 1: And I know that younger people in the.

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Speaker 3: Workforce resent that idea that they should pour themselves into

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Speaker 3: the work at the expense of everything.

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Speaker 1: Now, I think Anne Hathaway's character would be telling Anna

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Speaker 1: Winto's character that she has boundaries and yeah, work life

468
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Speaker 1: wants and she worked from home.

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Speaker 3: Anne Hathaway would be the content creator. Now the movie

470
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Speaker 3: would be about her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the last one to drop about womanhood, Because I

472
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Speaker 2: wonder if you feel as optimistic about millennial women as

473
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Speaker 2: Liz did. She says, if you were a girl, you

474
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Speaker 2: were the first generation of women who truly had choices,

475
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Speaker 2: not just in theory but in practice. Unlike our mothers,

476
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Speaker 2: we weren't expected to marry straight out of college. We

477
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Speaker 2: could be messy, ambitious, chaotic, and unapologetic in ways they

478
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Speaker 2: never could. I kind of feel like jen X could

479
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Speaker 2: do that too. We weren't just given the option of independence,

480
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Speaker 2: we were expected to take it more. Women of all

481
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Speaker 2: walks of life were delaying marriage, delaying motherhood, pursuing careers,

482
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Speaker 2: moving to cities, building lives on their own terms. And

483
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Speaker 2: for the first time, it wasn't tragic to be a

484
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Speaker 2: woman in her twenties without a husband.

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Speaker 1: It was aspirational.

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Speaker 2: Do reckon that was a real thing, and that she

487
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Speaker 2: doesn't buy it, She's not buying the millennials at at all.

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Speaker 1: It felt a little tragic.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not proud of saying that, but as

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Speaker 3: a woman who was single for much of my twenties,

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Speaker 3: I really felt like, frankly a failure at thirty when

492
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Speaker 3: I wasn't married.

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Speaker 1: Really, you didn't, You weren't empowered by the girl's era,

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Speaker 1: You know that, because it's.

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Speaker 3: What you should mention girls. I mean, Lena Dunham, that

496
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Speaker 3: show is all about. It's sort of like a retelling

497
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Speaker 3: of sex and the City for twenty something. Ye, but

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Speaker 3: Lena Dunham had the same desire to find someone for

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Speaker 3: in love settled don as Carrie Bradshaw did.

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Speaker 1: Ten years earlier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so a merely saying, no, millennials did not have

502
00:24:04,222 --> 00:24:07,021
Speaker 2: it all you being at day one of the culture

503
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Speaker 2: we all live in now at Harvard with Mark Zuckerberg.

504
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Speaker 2: We need to unpacked further at another time, but the

505
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Speaker 2: link to the essay that we're talking about is going

506
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Speaker 2: to be in the show notes, and we'd love to

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Speaker 2: know if millennials feel like they had it great or

508
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Speaker 2: like Amelia, that they did not.

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Speaker 1: We could have had it all out loud is in

510
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Speaker 1: a moment, something to listen, to read and pop on

511
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Speaker 1: your lips.

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Speaker 4: It's our recommendations, vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.

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Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation. It's Friday, so we want

514
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Speaker 1: to help set up your weekend with our best recos Amelia,

515
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Speaker 1: go your hardest.

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Speaker 3: So I went on a girl's trip recently with two

517
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Speaker 3: friends I haven't seen in a long time, and naturally

518
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Speaker 3: what we did was god a Sephora and we went

519
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Speaker 3: in and there was a young lady working there.

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Speaker 1: Because now I'm an older millennial, I use the phrase

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Speaker 1: young lady.

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Speaker 3: And she was wearing dark lip liner with a pale lipstick.

523
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Speaker 3: She looked so good, and I just blurted out, I

524
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Speaker 3: need exactly what you're wearing. And she sat me down

525
00:25:16,302 --> 00:25:19,662
Speaker 3: and she did me up, and she gave me Bobby

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Speaker 3: Brown's lipliner in rum raisin.

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Speaker 1: This is so I used to have that. This is

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00:25:24,661 --> 00:25:28,582
Speaker 1: so ninety, which is a brown terra cotta brown if

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Speaker 1: you will, ye, I'm getting like flashbacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And she gave me a sort of baby pink

531
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Speaker 3: Na's lipstick to wear on the top of it. And

532
00:25:37,341 --> 00:25:40,181
Speaker 3: it does feel nineties, but it feels like it's a

533
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Speaker 3: little bit edgy in a good way for me. And

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Speaker 3: the interesting thing is, I think it's just very flattering

535
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Speaker 3: to outline your lips and that went out of fashion.

536
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Speaker 1: Palony liipliner, we just we haven't. I've started using liipliner again.

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Speaker 3: It was such a faux pat do you remember for

538
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Speaker 3: the last twenty years it was basically a faux par

539
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Speaker 3: to wear lipliner.

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Speaker 2: You know what it looks like because I'm looking obviously

541
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Speaker 2: at ilips, I've been looking at them for a couple

542
00:26:02,982 --> 00:26:05,022
Speaker 2: of days. Knowing that you're doing.

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Speaker 1: This rather sounds a little creepy, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, sorry, but what it's kind of added like mentioned,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? It's not like you

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Speaker 2: look if you listen to this and thinking she's got

547
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Speaker 2: like an outline, You've got it. It's not that it

548
00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:19,061
Speaker 2: just gives it like, yeah, it makes your lips pop.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it's a little bit high maintenance because for the

551
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Speaker 3: longest time we were just sort of rocking a like

552
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Speaker 3: pale pink lip gloss. But I think it's it's well

553
00:26:27,061 --> 00:26:28,302
Speaker 3: keep things tidy.

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Speaker 1: And the trick that I learned is if you don't

555
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Speaker 1: want to do the dark one and the lighter one

556
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Speaker 1: inside is a neutral lipliner before any color. So if

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Speaker 1: you're just going to buy one lipliner, just buy a

558
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Speaker 1: neutral one that's just a bit darker than your lips.

559
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Speaker 1: So even if you're wearing red, use that first to

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Speaker 1: just define the outline of your lip.

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Speaker 3: I got a glimpse of you when you used to

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Speaker 3: be a beauty editors.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever use the perfect pout? I've got a

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Speaker 1: recommendation for a book by a well known author and

565
00:27:02,381 --> 00:27:05,821
Speaker 1: friend of the Pod and former executive producer of No

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00:27:05,901 --> 00:27:08,701
Speaker 1: Filter or she still is the executive producer of No Filter,

567
00:27:08,782 --> 00:27:10,782
Speaker 1: but she used to be my producer. Her name is

568
00:27:10,861 --> 00:27:13,341
Speaker 1: Niama Brown. She wrote one of my favorite books from

569
00:27:13,341 --> 00:27:15,221
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago called The Shot, which is

570
00:27:15,821 --> 00:27:22,621
Speaker 1: a phenomenal, romping, page turning novel about a reality TV show.

571
00:27:22,782 --> 00:27:25,341
Speaker 1: Did you have watch The Swan where they get plastic

572
00:27:25,381 --> 00:27:28,542
Speaker 1: surgery and it's a reality show. It's that but on

573
00:27:28,782 --> 00:27:31,142
Speaker 1: massive steroids. It's like The Bachelor, but it's a whole

574
00:27:31,141 --> 00:27:33,942
Speaker 1: big thing. It was fantastic. Her new book is called

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Speaker 1: Mother Tongue and it follows a woman called Brin. She's

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Speaker 1: a suburban mum who wakes up from a coma speaking

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00:27:40,742 --> 00:27:42,861
Speaker 1: fluent French. Have you heard that thing about when people

578
00:27:43,581 --> 00:27:46,861
Speaker 1: can wake up speaking other languages? And what it does

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00:27:46,901 --> 00:27:49,302
Speaker 1: is that it actually completely upends her life and she

580
00:27:49,422 --> 00:27:53,181
Speaker 1: leaves her family and moves to Paris to start a

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00:27:53,222 --> 00:27:56,901
Speaker 1: new life. It really is and it explores like the

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Speaker 1: fall out of her family and what it means about motherhood,

583
00:28:00,141 --> 00:28:03,421
Speaker 1: and in Paris she becomes this successful model. It's a

584
00:28:03,462 --> 00:28:05,702
Speaker 1: book that's got a lot of dark humor and insight.

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Speaker 1: It's out this week. Highly recommend Mother Tongue by name.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd like it, Amelia, because it also has

587
00:28:12,422 --> 00:28:15,902
Speaker 2: this political undertone because it's set in America and Brinn's

588
00:28:15,982 --> 00:28:20,422
Speaker 2: husband is quite trumpy and she's sort of finding this

589
00:28:20,621 --> 00:28:25,942
Speaker 2: very conventional traditional role that she's in suffocating. It poses

590
00:28:25,982 --> 00:28:29,742
Speaker 2: a lot of like quite provocative questions about how much

591
00:28:29,782 --> 00:28:32,941
Speaker 2: you should care about yourself and your when you're a

592
00:28:32,982 --> 00:28:36,422
Speaker 2: well identity is and so you know, it's like save yourself,

593
00:28:36,462 --> 00:28:39,661
Speaker 2: but who you're leaving behind kind of thing. It's really interesting.

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00:28:39,942 --> 00:28:43,021
Speaker 2: I've got a reco that is counterintuitive for me, right

595
00:28:43,062 --> 00:28:46,302
Speaker 2: because you know how mea is a doctor, you know, Mia.

596
00:28:45,782 --> 00:28:48,181
Speaker 1: She studied hard, she did. You got to give it.

597
00:28:48,462 --> 00:28:50,142
Speaker 2: As well as being the person who fixed me up

598
00:28:50,182 --> 00:28:52,382
Speaker 2: with the hair dresser and telling me what pants to wear,

599
00:28:52,462 --> 00:28:54,502
Speaker 2: she's also the person that you go to and you say,

600
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Speaker 2: should I go to the doctor about this?

601
00:28:56,102 --> 00:28:58,022
Speaker 1: Mole? Like that generally.

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00:28:57,622 --> 00:28:58,822
Speaker 2: Mia, she loves it.

603
00:28:59,062 --> 00:28:59,862
Speaker 1: I'm the other way.

604
00:29:00,022 --> 00:29:04,262
Speaker 2: I am health avoidant and I get a bit intimidated

605
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Speaker 2: by health information by doctors. And so Mama Mia has

606
00:29:08,182 --> 00:29:11,102
Speaker 2: launched a big new content pillar this week called Well,

607
00:29:11,142 --> 00:29:13,302
Speaker 2: which is all about health, and it's got a podcast

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Speaker 2: that's hosted by Claire Murphy, friend of the poem Murphy

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Speaker 2: wonderful Quickie host.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I love about this show is

611
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Speaker 1: that when Claire Murphy was the host of the Quickie,

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00:29:22,782 --> 00:29:24,822
Speaker 1: she had to be quite serious, but whenever she'd come

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Speaker 1: on out loud, there would be a different side of

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00:29:27,902 --> 00:29:32,461
Speaker 1: Claire that people would here and on. Well, it's version

615
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Speaker 1: of Claire. She laughs a lot and she's prepared.

616
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Speaker 2: With the doctor, right, doctor Marriam. She's a Sydney based GP.

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Speaker 2: She's really no nonsense.

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Speaker 1: She's great.

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Speaker 2: And when we were launching this, I went to the launch.

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00:29:43,742 --> 00:29:46,382
Speaker 2: It's kind of health, real life health stuff like a

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Speaker 2: full body check for women, and there was this board

622
00:29:48,502 --> 00:29:50,261
Speaker 2: at the launch where you could stick a sticker if

623
00:29:50,262 --> 00:29:52,342
Speaker 2: you related to it, so it said things like, have

624
00:29:52,462 --> 00:29:56,342
Speaker 2: you ever tried a treatment that you saw on the internet,

625
00:29:56,542 --> 00:30:00,102
Speaker 2: diagnosed yourself with something that only three people in Australia

626
00:30:00,222 --> 00:30:03,302
Speaker 2: have compared the color of your period blood.

627
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Speaker 1: With your friends?

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Speaker 2: Right, people would go and stick their stickers.

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Speaker 1: City for us to do when we're on the road.

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Speaker 2: I oh, and this is very me, Like ignored something

631
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Speaker 2: because you think you're too busy, that's very me. So

632
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Speaker 2: a lot of women relate to a lot of this.

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Speaker 2: And the thing that's great about well is that it's

634
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Speaker 2: very accessible. So if you're a bit of a health

635
00:30:21,942 --> 00:30:25,181
Speaker 2: avoidant person like me, it's entertaining. There's going to be newsletters,

636
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Speaker 2: there's fact sheets, it's the whole box and dice. In

637
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Speaker 2: the first episode, they do talk about something called a

638
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Speaker 2: sperm graveyard, which is where maybe if you're having sex

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Speaker 2: with men without a condom, and where do all those.

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Speaker 1: Sperms that don't get a graveyard bemy, they all go

641
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Speaker 1: to a special place to die. Well. To find out

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Speaker 1: where that place is.

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Speaker 2: You can find well in your podcast app of course

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Speaker 2: a Mom and Me I will put a link in.

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Speaker 1: The show notes.

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Speaker 2: It is great, dinner, parties, dancing, Yes, we're talking nightmares

647
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Speaker 2: literal and otherwise it's Best and Worst.

648
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Speaker 1: Do you want daily out Loud access? Why wouldn't you?

649
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Speaker 1: We drop episodes every Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Mum

650
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Speaker 1: and Me are subscribers. Follow the link in the show

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Speaker 1: week and a huge thank you if you're already a subscriber.

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Speaker 1: It's time for Best and Worst, the part of the

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Speaker 1: show where we share a little more from our personal lives.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go first. My worst and Best happened

656
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Speaker 1: on the same two days. We had to do a

657
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Speaker 1: special secret squirrel shoot for the out Loud tour, and

658
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Speaker 1: it involved a lot of costumes. In involved some singing,

659
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Speaker 1: In involves some choreography. It involved several changes of hair, makeup,

660
00:31:51,622 --> 00:31:56,421
Speaker 1: and outfit. And I used to think that I wanted

661
00:31:56,422 --> 00:31:58,782
Speaker 1: to be a pop star secretly, like I wanted to

662
00:31:58,782 --> 00:32:02,062
Speaker 1: be maybe a spice girl, maybe Kylie, I don't know

663
00:32:02,182 --> 00:32:05,102
Speaker 1: that that would be just so awesome, or maybe an actor.

664
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Speaker 1: Maybe I wanted to be secretly like Nicole Kidman or

665
00:32:08,782 --> 00:32:12,062
Speaker 1: you know, my Robbie. I learned on this shoot I

666
00:32:12,102 --> 00:32:17,102
Speaker 1: would last two seconds because shoots take a long time.

667
00:32:18,022 --> 00:32:21,661
Speaker 1: And I was a whiny little bitch. I was so bored.

668
00:32:22,302 --> 00:32:24,782
Speaker 1: At one point, at about four point thirty, I just

669
00:32:24,902 --> 00:32:28,822
Speaker 1: yelped I need to go home because I couldn't take

670
00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:31,342
Speaker 1: it anymore. There was so much waiting.

671
00:32:31,622 --> 00:32:33,502
Speaker 2: Would you pass your tiny violin to me?

672
00:32:33,742 --> 00:32:34,062
Speaker 1: Please?

673
00:32:34,462 --> 00:32:36,462
Speaker 2: I know, like people will be like, well, you didn't

674
00:32:36,502 --> 00:32:37,981
Speaker 2: have to sit at a computer all day. You got

675
00:32:38,022 --> 00:32:39,782
Speaker 2: to sing and dance and have makeup put on you.

676
00:32:39,862 --> 00:32:42,422
Speaker 1: What fun? I know, And this is what's so strange.

677
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Speaker 1: It would seem like I should have loved that, but

678
00:32:44,742 --> 00:32:47,102
Speaker 1: I didn't, And I realized my happy place. I just

679
00:32:47,142 --> 00:32:49,142
Speaker 1: wanted to be alone with my laptop. Does it give

680
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Speaker 1: you a new found respect.

681
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Speaker 3: You know how you and I are both obsessed with

682
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Speaker 3: the nineties supermodels. Yes, does it give you a new

683
00:32:54,582 --> 00:32:56,661
Speaker 3: found respect? You know how they're always like, well, Christy

684
00:32:56,742 --> 00:32:59,262
Speaker 3: challenging is just the most professional of all.

685
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Speaker 1: Now you'll know what I would have been, Naomi Campbell

686
00:33:01,661 --> 00:33:04,262
Speaker 1: throwing a fine you would My best of the week, though,

687
00:33:04,862 --> 00:33:07,582
Speaker 1: was all the other people on that shoot and seeing

688
00:33:07,622 --> 00:33:11,902
Speaker 1: how professional they were, A very big cast of people

689
00:33:12,022 --> 00:33:14,902
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, in front of the scenes. Everyone was

690
00:33:15,022 --> 00:33:19,382
Speaker 1: very lovely to me. I didn't deserve it, and there

691
00:33:19,422 --> 00:33:20,942
Speaker 1: were good snacks out loud as.

692
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Speaker 2: I promise that if you come to the show and

693
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Speaker 2: you see the end result of this, it was.

694
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Speaker 1: Worth it in every way. Oh yeah, I was totally

695
00:33:27,822 --> 00:33:30,422
Speaker 1: worth it. That was just my personal worst. I realized

696
00:33:30,462 --> 00:33:33,102
Speaker 1: that I would have made a terrible pop star or supermodel,

697
00:33:33,302 --> 00:33:34,302
Speaker 1: let the record show.

698
00:33:34,262 --> 00:33:37,661
Speaker 2: Or actress because actresses, because one of the things is

699
00:33:37,742 --> 00:33:40,022
Speaker 2: there's a lot of setting up a shot. Yes, and

700
00:33:40,102 --> 00:33:42,662
Speaker 2: obviously we're not super famous, so you stand there while

701
00:33:42,661 --> 00:33:44,941
Speaker 2: they set up a shot. Imagine that Nicole has a

702
00:33:44,942 --> 00:33:47,142
Speaker 2: body double stars, but there's a lot of that. It

703
00:33:47,142 --> 00:33:51,542
Speaker 2: makes you realize anyway, my worst is a disguised best,

704
00:33:51,582 --> 00:33:53,741
Speaker 2: but I have to get it out this week for

705
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Speaker 2: somebody who has the kind of celebrity icon obsessions that

706
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Speaker 2: I do. You're Gwyneth's, your Megan's, you're Jennifer Anist, You're.

707
00:34:01,502 --> 00:34:04,142
Speaker 1: A basic bitch, elder millennial gen X.

708
00:34:04,262 --> 00:34:07,421
Speaker 2: Yes, it's been hard to keep up. For example, I

709
00:34:07,582 --> 00:34:10,742
Speaker 2: can't that Gwyneth and Meghan are sitting together in a

710
00:34:10,822 --> 00:34:13,261
Speaker 2: kitchen the point we're recording this. It's not clear why

711
00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:16,062
Speaker 2: they are, if they're recording an episode of something. If

712
00:34:16,062 --> 00:34:18,342
Speaker 2: it's just that Gwyneth has managed to get past security.

713
00:34:18,382 --> 00:34:21,022
Speaker 2: She did say in that profile last week that she

714
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Speaker 2: wanted to take Megan a pie, but that there was

715
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Speaker 2: too much security at the gate. So maybe she busted

716
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Speaker 2: her way in.

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Speaker 1: Who knows.

718
00:34:27,261 --> 00:34:29,542
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it just feels like all my

719
00:34:29,582 --> 00:34:32,182
Speaker 2: favorite people are coming together and coalescing, and I couldn't

720
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Speaker 2: be more excited. Meghan dropped her shopping line like, well,

721
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Speaker 2: we're not a shopping line, but her affiliate links page.

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Speaker 1: Did the Meghan Duchess of Sussex. I may earn a

723
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Speaker 1: commission from anything that you buy on this list.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it on Wednesday, but it's like it's.

725
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Speaker 3: A lot going for dinner with Pedro Pascal.

726
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Speaker 2: Well and then Jen. And the thing is is I

727
00:34:54,261 --> 00:34:57,181
Speaker 2: need Mia when she has a hot minute to go

728
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Speaker 2: and observe those paparazzi pictures of Jen and Pedro closely,

729
00:35:00,502 --> 00:35:03,422
Speaker 2: because what Jen is wearing is going to enrage Mia.

730
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Speaker 2: She is wearing what she has been wearing, the exact

731
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Speaker 2: thing that she has been wearing.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear it. Have already given some feedback

733
00:35:12,221 --> 00:35:14,341
Speaker 1: to Gen about her hair. I feel like I need

734
00:35:14,342 --> 00:35:17,062
Speaker 1: to just back off. And she's wearing a white teeth.

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Speaker 1: Not that we look at paparazzi photos ever, because we

736
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Speaker 1: don't have very but my eyes glanced at them briefly,

737
00:35:22,422 --> 00:35:24,102
Speaker 1: and she was wearing a white T shirt with a

738
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Speaker 1: black waistcoat over the top. It's a lot and jeans

739
00:35:27,022 --> 00:35:29,422
Speaker 1: with cuffs, which I thought, well, it's been coming back.

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Speaker 2: Enormously fun for me, but also slow down, I have stressful.

741
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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. My best is a very petty

742
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Speaker 1: best that I love.

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Speaker 2: Right, don't worry. I'm not going to tell you about

744
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Speaker 2: my dreams because that's the worst thing that ever happens.

745
00:35:41,342 --> 00:35:43,261
Speaker 2: But do you ever have one of those nightmares? Wait

746
00:35:43,342 --> 00:35:45,822
Speaker 2: in your nightmare you're trying to shout but nothing comes out. Yes,

747
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Speaker 2: that's the one I have all the time.

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Speaker 1: Right, What does that mean that you mean silence or

749
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Speaker 1: you are silent?

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Speaker 2: So I was having one of those dreams the other night, right,

751
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Speaker 2: and I was trying to tell someone about a bad guy.

752
00:35:59,102 --> 00:36:02,741
Speaker 2: So in my dream, I'm shouting, it's him, it's that guy. Right,

753
00:36:03,142 --> 00:36:09,862
Speaker 2: nothing was coming out. Text me immediately said Rant was

754
00:36:09,902 --> 00:36:11,821
Speaker 2: away that night. He was taking Matilda to one of

755
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Speaker 2: her twenty five million football games in.

756
00:36:13,942 --> 00:36:14,661
Speaker 1: Some far from place.

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Speaker 2: But I woke up in the middle of this dream

758
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Speaker 2: to the dog licking my face because you know how

759
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Speaker 2: you think you're shouting and you actually are, like in

760
00:36:23,221 --> 00:36:26,142
Speaker 2: your in your sleep, you're going get back.

761
00:36:33,102 --> 00:36:34,862
Speaker 1: She didn't jumped on the bed to try and perform

762
00:36:34,942 --> 00:36:40,342
Speaker 1: the highway conover her mastssly really disturbed and she.

763
00:36:40,302 --> 00:36:44,301
Speaker 2: Jumped up and she was like mom, And I was like,

764
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Speaker 2: good dog, good dog saved me from the background.

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Speaker 1: So good. I'm glad you didn't like clock her in

766
00:36:50,902 --> 00:36:51,382
Speaker 1: the face.

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Speaker 2: She was some funny I'm just imagining the dogs were

768
00:36:55,302 --> 00:36:59,421
Speaker 2: actually hearing this, like strangled, like like what lifted her ears?

769
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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: Mom?

771
00:37:01,582 --> 00:37:03,822
Speaker 1: Anyway, do you know that's funny because my dog jumped

772
00:37:03,822 --> 00:37:05,781
Speaker 1: on the bed last night for absolutely no reason. I

773
00:37:05,902 --> 00:37:07,861
Speaker 1: wasn't having a nightmare. It was the middle of the night.

774
00:37:07,902 --> 00:37:09,181
Speaker 1: I think she just wanted to put her tongue in

775
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Speaker 1: my mouth. Amelia, what was your worst of the week

776
00:37:17,661 --> 00:37:18,382
Speaker 1: and your best?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to top house stressful celebrity gossipers

778
00:37:21,741 --> 00:37:23,942
Speaker 3: right now. I agree, there's a lot going on. So

779
00:37:24,022 --> 00:37:26,622
Speaker 3: I went to a very lovely dinner party on the weekend.

780
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Speaker 3: Some new friends invitim me over. I love a dinner party,

781
00:37:29,862 --> 00:37:33,262
Speaker 3: and I was so impressed. And they had a signed

782
00:37:33,302 --> 00:37:36,261
Speaker 3: seating which I love, and there were three different desserts.

783
00:37:36,261 --> 00:37:38,542
Speaker 1: Did they state the couples next to each other? No,

784
00:37:38,781 --> 00:37:42,261
Speaker 1: that's such a faux pat I never want to sit

785
00:37:42,302 --> 00:37:44,102
Speaker 1: next to me. Tell me where to see at the

786
00:37:44,142 --> 00:37:45,941
Speaker 1: dinner party. You don't want to sit next to him?

787
00:37:46,302 --> 00:37:48,542
Speaker 1: Did you both know everybody there? No, we knew no one.

788
00:37:48,582 --> 00:37:52,462
Speaker 3: It was delightful. It was an extroverts dream. So the

789
00:37:52,502 --> 00:37:54,542
Speaker 3: dinner party itself was lovely. Oh and they said this

790
00:37:54,661 --> 00:37:57,221
Speaker 3: amazing cocktail in a big jug when we all got there,

791
00:37:57,221 --> 00:37:59,742
Speaker 3: which was made with like prosecco and sorbet.

792
00:38:00,102 --> 00:38:01,782
Speaker 1: How do you know when it's time to go home.

793
00:38:01,942 --> 00:38:03,622
Speaker 1: That's what makes me feel anxious.

794
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Speaker 3: Oh I love to leave a dinner party with everyone

795
00:38:07,502 --> 00:38:08,542
Speaker 3: wanting more from me.

796
00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:11,902
Speaker 1: So I typically round nine forty five, just citing a baby,

797
00:38:12,062 --> 00:38:15,342
Speaker 1: just as I just cite a babysity that just after.

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Speaker 2: She said me, So I emailed Mark Zuckerberg on Facebook.

799
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I do love leaving. I once read the

800
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Speaker 1: Anna Win Tour.

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00:38:28,221 --> 00:38:31,982
Speaker 3: The editor of USFO Devil was prior of inspiration, leaves

802
00:38:32,022 --> 00:38:34,582
Speaker 3: every party after fifteen minutes and only ever has one

803
00:38:34,582 --> 00:38:35,502
Speaker 3: glass of champagne.

804
00:38:35,502 --> 00:38:38,102
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's me. I aspire to that anyway.

805
00:38:38,181 --> 00:38:40,422
Speaker 3: So the dinner party itself was lovely, but you know,

806
00:38:40,582 --> 00:38:42,822
Speaker 3: talk turned to politics, and I know this is Friday,

807
00:38:42,862 --> 00:38:44,861
Speaker 3: so I'm going to keep it very vague, but you know,

808
00:38:45,062 --> 00:38:47,261
Speaker 3: things are happening in politics, just like they are in

809
00:38:47,342 --> 00:38:51,982
Speaker 3: celebrity gossips. And I am a joint Australian American citizen.

810
00:38:52,142 --> 00:38:55,462
Speaker 3: So I was sharing some anxieties that I'm having about

811
00:38:55,542 --> 00:38:57,862
Speaker 3: the state of one of those countries politics.

812
00:38:57,942 --> 00:38:59,542
Speaker 1: I'll as leave you to guess which.

813
00:38:59,342 --> 00:39:02,701
Speaker 3: One, and I was sort of saying, look, my home

814
00:39:02,781 --> 00:39:03,382
Speaker 3: is changing.

815
00:39:03,661 --> 00:39:04,381
Speaker 1: America's my home.

816
00:39:04,422 --> 00:39:06,142
Speaker 3: Australia is my home, and I was saying, I don't

817
00:39:06,181 --> 00:39:08,181
Speaker 3: know what's going to happen to my home in America,

818
00:39:08,261 --> 00:39:11,701
Speaker 3: and as an immigrant to America, obviously a very privileged one,

819
00:39:11,741 --> 00:39:14,542
Speaker 3: but nonetheless someone who has chosen to make America my home,

820
00:39:14,701 --> 00:39:17,542
Speaker 3: I have certain worries about the direction it's going in.

821
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Speaker 3: And there were two people seated next to me. One

822
00:39:21,741 --> 00:39:25,181
Speaker 3: was from Russia, left after the Ukraine War started, and

823
00:39:25,221 --> 00:39:28,381
Speaker 3: the other was from South Africa. Family came to Australia

824
00:39:28,422 --> 00:39:32,582
Speaker 3: many years ago when politics in South Africa were particularly contentious,

825
00:39:32,622 --> 00:39:34,341
Speaker 3: and I realized they were both just looking at me

826
00:39:35,102 --> 00:39:39,582
Speaker 3: with the most sort of long suffering faces, and I

827
00:39:39,661 --> 00:39:43,822
Speaker 3: realized it's because Australia and America have been exceptional around

828
00:39:43,822 --> 00:39:45,861
Speaker 3: the world for not having to worry about the state

829
00:39:45,902 --> 00:39:48,942
Speaker 3: of other politics. And these people are like, welcome to

830
00:39:48,982 --> 00:39:54,462
Speaker 3: the world. Yeah, your country is tumultuous, things are unpredictable. Essentially,

831
00:39:54,462 --> 00:39:56,982
Speaker 3: get over yourself in the most sympathetic way possible.

832
00:39:57,462 --> 00:39:59,221
Speaker 1: And it was a reality check for me.

833
00:39:59,302 --> 00:40:02,181
Speaker 3: I realized how privileged it was for me to be like, well,

834
00:40:02,302 --> 00:40:03,102
Speaker 3: politics are.

835
00:40:03,062 --> 00:40:04,982
Speaker 1: Very stressful for me right now, and I don't know

836
00:40:04,982 --> 00:40:05,902
Speaker 1: what's going to happen.

837
00:40:06,261 --> 00:40:09,422
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, people in basically every other country on the planet

838
00:40:10,181 --> 00:40:13,781
Speaker 3: have been dealing with this forever, so.

839
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Speaker 1: That was a really interesting reality check.

840
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Speaker 3: The best was something that I hope a lot of

841
00:40:18,221 --> 00:40:21,301
Speaker 3: people listening can relate to because Australia is a nation

842
00:40:21,342 --> 00:40:23,341
Speaker 3: of immigrants and a lot of people here come from

843
00:40:23,382 --> 00:40:24,062
Speaker 3: other places.

844
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Speaker 1: And my brother lives.

845
00:40:25,781 --> 00:40:29,221
Speaker 3: In London, and I have one brother, and he and

846
00:40:29,302 --> 00:40:31,381
Speaker 3: I were very close growing up, despite a seven year

847
00:40:31,422 --> 00:40:34,301
Speaker 3: age gap, and we lived in the same city. We

848
00:40:34,342 --> 00:40:36,502
Speaker 3: lived in New York for about ten years together. We

849
00:40:36,542 --> 00:40:39,542
Speaker 3: saw each other every weekend. We were very close. He

850
00:40:39,582 --> 00:40:42,102
Speaker 3: moved to London, I moved to Sydney and we're no

851
00:40:42,181 --> 00:40:45,222
Speaker 3: longer close. I'm afraid to say that that time difference,

852
00:40:45,221 --> 00:40:48,422
Speaker 3: it's wholly must know. World between the UK and Australia

853
00:40:48,542 --> 00:40:49,902
Speaker 3: is just awful.

854
00:40:49,982 --> 00:40:51,341
Speaker 1: There's just no way.

855
00:40:51,142 --> 00:40:53,542
Speaker 3: To ever have a conversation which you're just in a

856
00:40:53,661 --> 00:40:56,701
Speaker 3: very different It's always either early morning, late night.

857
00:40:56,822 --> 00:40:59,222
Speaker 1: You're very rarely in the same It's really hard.

858
00:40:59,302 --> 00:41:01,982
Speaker 3: And then, as with a lot of sibling relationships, we've

859
00:41:01,982 --> 00:41:04,781
Speaker 3: gone in very different directions with our lives. He lives

860
00:41:04,822 --> 00:41:07,181
Speaker 3: a very different life to me, but he and his

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Speaker 3: family are coming to visit this week. Can for an

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Speaker 3: extended period during the UK school holidays, and I'm really

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Speaker 3: excited to reconnect because sometimes you do have to have

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Speaker 3: to maintain them.

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Speaker 1: It's just been too hard.

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Speaker 2: My brother is And I know this is a stereotype,

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Speaker 2: but like the classic man who's no good on the phone,

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Speaker 2: no good on text, no good on anything except face

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Speaker 2: to face. So it's very hard.

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Speaker 1: If you yeah, my brothers, it's very different. He just

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Speaker 1: always wants to tell me how much he loves me.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he's got a lot of big feelings,

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Speaker 1: my brother. He just is very like I just love

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Speaker 1: you so much, and I'm like slower role that is

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Speaker 1: so lovely, but just role, you just live down the road.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. Thank you beautiful. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: All right, that is all we have time for today.

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Speaker 2: Out Loud is a massive thank you to you all

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Speaker 2: for listening to our show all week. We're going to

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Speaker 2: be back in him Is next week. Thank you Amelia

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Speaker 2: very much fulfilling him for our Jesse And why don't

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Speaker 2: you and me a read this out.

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Speaker 1: We have some people to thank for helping us to

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Speaker 1: be here in your ears. Group executive producer Ruth Devine,

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Speaker 1: Executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.

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Speaker 3: Audio producer is Leah Porges, video producer is Josh Green,

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Speaker 3: and our junior content producers are co Co and Tessa.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye bye, except I'm still here. We're going to leave

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Speaker 1: you with a bit of a conversation we had on

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Speaker 1: the subscriber episode yesterday with Amelia about a little whoopsie

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Speaker 1: that happened in a group chat, because don't you hate

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Speaker 1: it when you're a journalist who gets added to the

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Speaker 1: political chat about a war? And I think we've all

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Speaker 1: been there. We'll pup a link in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you

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Speaker 2: love the show and you want to support us, subscribing

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Speaker 2: to Mamma Mia is the very.

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Speaker 1: Best way to do it.

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Speaker 2: There's a link in the episode description.

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Speaker 3: Play Spain the bagbook, Bag, tax Book, tack Book,