Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land and waters that this
Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. I'm Clere Stevens and welcome to
Speaker 1: part two of my conversation with Olympic gold medalist Arianne Tipmus.
Speaker 1: In part one, Arianne talked about how people suddenly wanted
Speaker 1: to be friends with her after her first Olympic Games,
Speaker 1: her upbringing in Tasmania, the sacrifices her family made to
Speaker 1: move to Brisbane for better swimming opportunities, and the pressure
Speaker 1: that placed on her, and the health issue that really
Speaker 1: clarified what it is that she wants out of life.
Speaker 1: If you haven't heard part one yet, it's best to
Speaker 1: start there. There's a link in the show notes. Here's
Speaker 1: part two. You're in such an interesting position in terms
Speaker 1: of your sport, in that you train for years, years
Speaker 1: and years and years for a moment that is a
Speaker 1: few minutes when you are on that starting block and
Speaker 1: you're about to jump in the pool. Even when you
Speaker 1: think about it for the Paris Olympics and you think, okay,
Speaker 1: I've worked for four years for this moment, how on
Speaker 1: earth do you keep yourself together and focus just on
Speaker 1: that and not completely mess with your mind in terms
Speaker 1: of pressure.
Speaker 2: Well, if you think about all of that, it can
Speaker 2: become all consuming. And I think that's what makes people
Speaker 2: come undone, because they truly think about where they are
Speaker 2: and what they're doing. But for me, whenever I stand
Speaker 2: behind the blocks at a major meet or at the
Speaker 2: last Olympics, I remember I woke up the day of
Speaker 2: the four hundred, it was the first ay of the Olympics,
Speaker 2: and I had a text on my phone from my
Speaker 2: coach Dean, and all it said was just be that
Speaker 2: little girl. You have eight las, you know how to
Speaker 2: do it. This should be easy for you compared to
Speaker 2: anyone else. And all you have to do is swim,
Speaker 2: and you've been doing it your whole life. And when
Speaker 2: you really think about what you're doing, it's the same
Speaker 2: whether I'd be racing at a local meet here in
Speaker 2: Brisbane or whether I'm racing at the Olympic Games. I'm
Speaker 2: going to give it my best shot either way. And
Speaker 2: I think you really have to put it into perspective
Speaker 2: that swimming is not the be all in the end,
Speaker 2: or there's more to life before four hundred. At the
Speaker 2: last Olympic Steen, and I said, we wanted to for
Speaker 2: the race, not even talk about the race, to take
Speaker 2: the pressure off. And he just said to me, go
Speaker 2: out there, have fun, Go get them, Tiger, and that
Speaker 2: was it. And I think that's the best way to
Speaker 2: look at it. Just know that I'm the most prepared
Speaker 2: person in.
Speaker 3: The world to do this.
Speaker 2: Imagine if you were behind the block of the Olympic Games,
Speaker 2: you should be way more nervous.
Speaker 3: Than I would be.
Speaker 2: So I think you just have to really forget about
Speaker 2: the circumstances of where you are. And just.
Speaker 1: Something I find fascinating about you is that you seem
Speaker 1: to have this incredibly healthy concept of competition and you
Speaker 1: haven't seen a mindset coach. That seems to be something
Speaker 1: that's just innate to you. And I've been reading a
Speaker 1: bit of stuff recently about how sometimes when we turn
Speaker 1: to professional help, we interrupt our own natural instincts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it seems like you, just from the get
Speaker 1: go have had this idea about competitiveness and joy and
Speaker 1: getting in the pool and treating it as a swim.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you need somebody to talk you
Speaker 1: through dealing with pressure or do you feel like there
Speaker 1: is just something about you that knows how to cope
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: We had discussions about whether I would see a sports
Speaker 2: psych but for me, I have had all this.
Speaker 3: Success without it, and I know that it works.
Speaker 2: And I sometimes get, like you said, maybe you want
Speaker 2: to try something new, but why I interrupt something that
Speaker 2: you know works?
Speaker 3: And if anything, I think Dean.
Speaker 2: Is probably I wouldn't say mindset coach, but I definitely
Speaker 2: bounce a lot of ideas off him and talk to
Speaker 2: him about preparing for races and nerves and expectation and
Speaker 2: things like that, and I think he probably plays that
Speaker 2: role more than anyone for me. But I've always kind
Speaker 2: of had this ability to eat pressure up and use
Speaker 2: it in the right way and turn it into an advantage.
Speaker 2: I guess my mind has always been something that I
Speaker 2: think has helped me be so successful.
Speaker 1: At the moment, you are in an insane training schedule.
Speaker 1: Can you give me an idea of what your day
Speaker 1: looks like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have a training week.
Speaker 2: I guess Sundays is off and on a Monday, for example,
Speaker 2: I'll wake up at five twenty and I'm a bit
Speaker 2: of a coffee fanatic, so I always have to start
Speaker 2: my day with a coffee and a piece of toast,
Speaker 2: and then I'm at the pool by about quarter past six,
Speaker 2: and we start with like stretching, that type of thing,
Speaker 2: and I'll be in the water for about two two
Speaker 2: and a half hours, clock up seven k and then
Speaker 2: go up to the gym, spend an hour lifting in
Speaker 2: the gym, and then by the time I get home
Speaker 2: it will be around like eleven o'clock. I'll eat breakfast,
Speaker 2: then I'll go to sleep, have it sleep in the day,
Speaker 2: wake up at about ten past one, eat lunch, have
Speaker 2: a coffee, do a few emails, chill for a bit,
Speaker 2: eat a small snack again, and I'm out the door
Speaker 2: at two point fifteen, and then I'm back at the
Speaker 2: pool by about two forty five, and we do about
Speaker 2: forty five five minutes of stretching and into like prepool
Speaker 2: like core, mobility, body weight stuff. And then the evening
Speaker 2: sessions are tough main sets, and that can go from
Speaker 2: anywhere between two and three hours. It's another seven kilometers,
Speaker 2: and then after that we'll do half an hour on
Speaker 2: the bike, and then after that some of us will
Speaker 2: do extra like core or medicine, ball throws or skipping anything.
Speaker 2: And then I'll be out of training by about anywhere
Speaker 2: between seven and sometimes eight o'clock at night, be home
Speaker 2: after that, and then do it all again on Tuesday. Wednesday,
Speaker 2: I get the afternoon off, do it all again the
Speaker 2: same on Thursday. Then Friday get the afternoon off, and
Speaker 2: then Saturday morning is wouldn't called a morning session.
Speaker 3: It goes to about lunchtime. So that's my week.
Speaker 2: I think, all consuming with physio, massage, recovery, you know,
Speaker 2: I spark and our type of thing. My week's probably
Speaker 2: about between thirty five and forty hours dedicated to my swimming.
Speaker 3: So it does a full time job. But I guess
Speaker 3: it's what you have to do to be the best.
Speaker 1: When you're doing those really big swims and when you're
Speaker 1: not necessarily I can imagine when you're doing more of
Speaker 1: a I mean, I know nothing about competitive swimming, but
Speaker 1: when you're doing more of a competitive swim or trying
Speaker 1: to get a time, I can imagine your mind is
Speaker 1: more like counting strokes, thinking about technique and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. When you're doing the longer swims, what do
Speaker 1: you think about.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, Well, actually there's these new things that have come
Speaker 2: in and the headphones you can swim with, and a
Speaker 2: lot of us in the squad have got those to
Speaker 2: kind of make it a little bit easier to get through.
Speaker 3: But I actually don't get too bored.
Speaker 2: Sometimes if we've got a recovery, like this morning, I
Speaker 2: basically went six k straight, which is so mine nomine,
Speaker 2: it's just horrendous. But I'll break it up and try
Speaker 2: and count in different ways, so count by hundreds or
Speaker 2: count by laps, and then I'll think about what I'm
Speaker 2: cooking for dinner, or there might be like a song
Speaker 2: that's like replaying in my head, or I might stop
Speaker 2: on the wall for a couple of minutes and have
Speaker 2: a bit of a chat.
Speaker 3: So like, you get through it easy, but like.
Speaker 2: You said, when you're in a really important session, your
Speaker 2: mind is so on edge to try and hit every
Speaker 2: single time in training, you really have to be beyond.
Speaker 1: After the break, Arianne shares exactly what it looks like
Speaker 1: to prepare for the Olympic Games. She talks about her regrets,
Speaker 1: and she opens up about the biggest insecurities she has
Speaker 1: outside of swimming. You're obviously in such a routine when
Speaker 1: you're in Australia and you know exactly what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and you've got everything that you need at your disposal,
Speaker 1: and then you go to the Olympics overseas. What do
Speaker 1: you do to make sure you have have everything you
Speaker 1: need at your disposal when you're in another country and
Speaker 1: about to have one of the most significant moments of
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're really lucky as a team. We've
Speaker 2: got great support staff around us, and I feel like
Speaker 2: I've kind of grown up on the team and you've
Speaker 2: become more confident with those people and they become like
Speaker 2: family to you and you can really draw on them
Speaker 2: for the things you need. And as an athlete, I mean,
Speaker 2: god ever sees to foreign countries and stay in a
Speaker 2: team hotel or Olympic village, you are thrown into some
Speaker 2: crazy environments and you've got to navigate them the best
Speaker 2: you can. And like dining hordle and fix is unbelievable,
Speaker 2: Like it's just the most chaotic thing you'll ever see
Speaker 2: in your life.
Speaker 3: There's people everywhere, and just think of like a football
Speaker 3: field full of food.
Speaker 2: And one thing for me is like your food is
Speaker 2: your fuel as an athlete. And one thing I've definitely
Speaker 2: struggled with is eating overseas to race. I'm gluten free,
Speaker 2: and I used to be so worried to be inconvenience
Speaker 2: and speak up and say something when there'd be no
Speaker 2: food that I could actually eat, so I just kind
Speaker 2: of go without. But I've definitely learned three years that
Speaker 2: that's just stupid and people are there to help you
Speaker 2: and are willing to help you, and if you communicate
Speaker 2: about your needs as an athlete, people are always going
Speaker 2: to make things happen. So I've definitely got better at that,
Speaker 2: and there's always options.
Speaker 3: For me now.
Speaker 2: But I mean, glute Guard's one of my sponsors, and
Speaker 2: I always have that with me, which helps. But I
Speaker 2: think that that's probably one of the tougher things to navigate,
Speaker 2: especially if symptoms flare up. There's been times I've been
Speaker 2: away racing and I've had my symptoms flare up, which
Speaker 2: is challenging. I remember the first year I became world
Speaker 2: champion in twenty nineteen. We were in Korea and there
Speaker 2: was so many sources on everything, and everything was deep fried,
Speaker 2: and so I couldn't eat anything.
Speaker 3: So I literally lived off boiled eggs.
Speaker 2: And playing rice for twelve days straight and I won,
Speaker 2: so it worked.
Speaker 3: But that's definitely a big challenge of mine when I
Speaker 3: go away.
Speaker 1: When you think about your life so far, and I
Speaker 1: know you're still so young and there's so much ahead
Speaker 1: of you, is there anything that you really regret or
Speaker 1: you wish you'd done differently?
Speaker 2: I think the one thing when I was younger, I
Speaker 2: wanted to make it so bad, like I just wanted
Speaker 2: to make it on the big stage so bad. I
Speaker 2: think from the age of seven, when I started swimming
Speaker 2: in a squad and racing eight numbers all the way through.
Speaker 2: I mean when COVID happened, we were kind of forced
Speaker 2: out of training, but within a week I'd found a
Speaker 2: backyard pool to.
Speaker 3: Train in so I didn't miss training, And then.
Speaker 2: All the way through to after Tokyo, I had never
Speaker 2: had a break away from the pool longer than two
Speaker 2: weeks at a time in my entire life because I
Speaker 2: was all looking to the next thing. And when I
Speaker 2: made my first Australian team as a junior, I was fourteen.
Speaker 2: I was extremely young to travel overseas, and then I
Speaker 2: made the senior team when I was sixteen, which is
Speaker 2: still very young, and I always was thinking what's next,
Speaker 2: and whenever I achieved something, whether it was my first
Speaker 2: medal on the international stage or first world championship. I
Speaker 2: don't think I enjoyed the moment as I should. And
Speaker 2: I truly think that if you are present in the
Speaker 2: moment and just let things sink and settle in, it
Speaker 2: kind of helps you. And I don't think I was
Speaker 2: when I was younger. I just always continually wanted more,
Speaker 2: and I think that's why I have been so successful now.
Speaker 2: But I think as I've gotten older, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: coming up to eight years on the national team now,
Speaker 2: you have a lot more perspective and experience, and I
Speaker 2: think going into these games knowing how it does feel
Speaker 2: to win an Olympic gold medal and not knowing whether
Speaker 2: I'll have that opportunity again, I'm going to if it
Speaker 2: does happen for me. I've promised myself that I will
Speaker 2: really revel in that experience and let it truly sink in.
Speaker 2: Because I remember last Olympics. I literally, just the day
Speaker 2: I want my four hundred, just forgot about it. I
Speaker 2: gave a medal with a team manager, I said, you
Speaker 2: look after it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to look at it. I didn't even
Speaker 3: look at my medal and I.
Speaker 2: Just moved on to the next because I had a
Speaker 2: job at hand and that got me through the week.
Speaker 2: But I truly think I probably never really enjoyed big
Speaker 2: moments in my career like I should.
Speaker 1: Have, because you think, well, what's the point if you
Speaker 1: don't let it wash over you? And I can imagine
Speaker 1: that having been a swimmer for so long and competing
Speaker 1: at such a high level for so long, you probably
Speaker 1: start to imagine or tell yourself what it should feel
Speaker 1: like when you win. That you know, when I win,
Speaker 1: it should feel like X, Y, and Z, and when
Speaker 1: it doesn't that must be a bit of a discombobulating experience,
Speaker 1: like after Tokyo. If it didn't feel how it was
Speaker 1: meant to feel, you might be beating yourself up a bit, thinking, no,
Speaker 1: I meant to be enjoying this. I meant to be
Speaker 1: enjoying this. Do you feel like with the level of
Speaker 1: success you've got, it's a bit of a treadmill in
Speaker 1: that you achieve something and then you're just straight onto
Speaker 1: the next and straight onto the next, and therefore you
Speaker 1: don't really get to be present and enjoy the win.
Speaker 2: I think so, and a lot of people determine greatness
Speaker 2: on longevity as well and being able to replicate what
Speaker 2: you've done again, and for sure that is a real thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, no Australian woman has gone back to back
Speaker 2: in the same Olympic event other than Dawn Fraser, and
Speaker 2: I think it is because of the pedestal you get
Speaker 2: put on in this country and you get brought up
Speaker 2: in so many external things. Opportunities come from everywhere, and
Speaker 2: so I understand that as well as you can, like
Speaker 2: off the back of an Olympics, you're pulled in every
Speaker 2: single direction. Everyone wants a piece of you, and I
Speaker 2: know that it's so much harder to do it the
Speaker 2: second time, and I don't think that's why anyone's been
Speaker 2: able to go back to back other than Dawn. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, when you talk about treadmill,
Speaker 2: no one can take away from you what you have achieved.
Speaker 2: Even if you do it once and once only, You'll
Speaker 2: always be an Olympian, You'll always be an Olympic gold medalist.
Speaker 2: I will always be a world record holder on no
Speaker 2: matter whether I never do it again, they will always
Speaker 2: be mine and I've achieved that in my career and
Speaker 2: I think whether you do it once or ten times
Speaker 2: that both are equally successful. And I think that's something
Speaker 2: that I've really thought about a lot lately.
Speaker 1: And that's I think a good perspective on happiness that
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have to feel all the emotions in
Speaker 1: the moment, because you've got your life to celebrate that
Speaker 1: and to feel happy about that. Like I can imagine
Speaker 1: that sometimes it's just a random Tuesday and you're like, damn,
Speaker 1: look at what I've done. You don't necessarily have to
Speaker 1: feel it when you're on the podium with the gold
Speaker 1: medal around your neck. In terms of outside of swimming,
Speaker 1: when your whole life has been so consumed by being
Speaker 1: so talented at this one thing, do you find that
Speaker 1: you have insecurities or things you worry about in other
Speaker 1: domains of your life, Like what would you say is
Speaker 1: your biggest personal insecurity outside of swimming?
Speaker 2: For me, when I was younger, I defined myself a
Speaker 2: distemer and I put so many things in my life
Speaker 2: on the back burner for my swimming, and I was
Speaker 2: very content with because I was so tunnel vision for
Speaker 2: a goal. And as I've gotten older and realize there's
Speaker 2: so many more things to your life, I am trying
Speaker 2: to discover myself who I am outside of swimming, and
Speaker 2: I think sometimes one of my insecurities would be that
Speaker 2: maybe I don't have enough to my resume as a
Speaker 2: person and people only look at me for my swimming.
Speaker 2: With my friends and my family, we never discuss my swimming.
Speaker 2: They look at me for who I am. I honestly
Speaker 2: hardly talk about it.
Speaker 3: It's my job, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I've figured out that that's not true about
Speaker 2: me not having a big enough resume, but I think
Speaker 2: to the outside looking in, I think that's what people see.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to after these Olympics really exploring
Speaker 2: finding pathways of where my career could potentially go beyond
Speaker 2: swimming and explore in different parts of myself away from
Speaker 2: the sport, Like I'm definitely going to have a break
Speaker 2: and do a bit of self discovery and self reflection
Speaker 2: and i just want to.
Speaker 3: Be irrelevant for a little while.
Speaker 2: And I have passions outside of swimming as well, which
Speaker 2: I really want to draw on. So I think that's
Speaker 2: something that I think I've got to work on, really
Speaker 2: exploring myself without my sport for a little while.
Speaker 1: Who are you outside swimming? Like, what are some of
Speaker 1: those passions.
Speaker 3: Well, who am I?
Speaker 2: I would say People that know me really would say
Speaker 2: I'm the biggest goof and like such a weirdo. I
Speaker 2: have absolutely zero filter. What you see is what you get,
Speaker 2: and I'll never apologize for truly being myself. And in
Speaker 2: terms of my passions outside of swimming, I think something
Speaker 2: that's a bit of a de stress for me that
Speaker 2: I try to do as much as I can is cooking.
Speaker 2: I love cooking and I love experimenting and playing with that.
Speaker 2: So I don't know whether I'm going to get a
Speaker 2: little bit more into that when I'm on break, but
Speaker 2: we'll see. I love fashion and I love expressing myself
Speaker 2: in that way, and I don't get to dress up
Speaker 2: too often now, But when the Olympics is over, I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to, you know, being able to get out
Speaker 2: of it more and express myself in that way. And
Speaker 2: then something in terms of like career wise, that I've
Speaker 2: dabbled in a little bit that I'd love to explore
Speaker 2: more is I've worked in broadcasting a little bit, so
Speaker 2: I've done a bit of commentating and presenting and I
Speaker 2: would love to get into that a little bit more.
Speaker 2: And my dad's a journalist, so he likes to think
Speaker 2: that like I'm following in his footsteps, which you know
Speaker 2: I probably will end up doing. But I've really enjoyed
Speaker 2: doing a little bit of that, so I'm excited to
Speaker 2: hopefully get into that a little bit more and started
Speaker 2: to kind of carve some some pathways for potentially after swimming.
Speaker 1: Up. Next, we explore how Arianne thinks she'll feel if
Speaker 1: she doesn't win gold at the Olympics, and on the
Speaker 1: flip side, how she thinks she'll feel if she does.
Speaker 1: Plus is she truly happy? Right now? Stay with us?
Speaker 1: Have you thought a lot about and this episode will
Speaker 1: be coming out a lot closer to Paris, But say
Speaker 1: you get to Paris and say you lose everything when
Speaker 1: your mind goes there, which I'm sure it does every
Speaker 1: now and then, what do you tell.
Speaker 3: Yourself, Well, if that did happen, which.
Speaker 1: It won't, But just as a thought experiment.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie like I would be utterly disappointed,
Speaker 2: like I would be upset. You work so hard, and
Speaker 2: I truly believe I'm capable of achieving great things at
Speaker 2: these games.
Speaker 3: I know I've.
Speaker 2: Prepared well, but I think I'm content enough with myself
Speaker 2: and secure enough in myself and secure in the relationships
Speaker 2: around me that I know I would definitely be okay,
Speaker 2: And I think it would the disappointment would pass because
Speaker 2: I am at the crux of it, content already with
Speaker 2: what I have achieved. If I go into these games
Speaker 2: knowing I did everything I possibly could and I didn't
Speaker 2: win anything, and the other girls were better than me
Speaker 2: on the day, They were better than me on the day,
Speaker 2: And you can't control what other people do, and you
Speaker 2: can't wonder if only I'd done this, if only I'd
Speaker 2: done that, or you really can't go in with any
Speaker 2: regrets or after thoughts of maybe potentially doing something better.
Speaker 2: So I think, if you prepare the best you can,
Speaker 2: what happens on the day happens on the day. And yeah,
Speaker 2: but I really try not to think about it if
Speaker 2: that was to happen.
Speaker 1: How about the moments where you think about winning everything?
Speaker 1: What if you go and you win every race, you
Speaker 1: win all the golden and it is just as you've
Speaker 1: made Australian history. How does that feel when you think
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 2: I think the word that comes to mind is pride.
Speaker 2: I think I'd feel such a sense of pride to
Speaker 2: do that for not only myself, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people in my life, my coach, my family, my friends,
Speaker 2: the country. Of course, I think pride and that really
Speaker 2: is what I feel, and I think just a sense
Speaker 2: of gratification that I'd got the best out Truly, I
Speaker 2: performed the best I possibly could and I got the
Speaker 2: best out of myself, a sense that I really perform
Speaker 2: the way I thought I was capable of. It's this
Speaker 2: internal motivation I think that you kind of draw on
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, it's up to
Speaker 2: me to do it. On the day, I can have
Speaker 2: as many people around me hope to get me to
Speaker 2: where I am, but I'm the one that has to
Speaker 2: dive in there and do the race.
Speaker 1: So, Arianne Titmus, you are currently one of Australia's top athletes.
Speaker 1: You are one of the best swimmers we've ever seen
Speaker 1: in this country, and you're about to go into another
Speaker 1: Olympics when you are only twenty three years old. But
Speaker 1: are you happy.
Speaker 2: I'm very happy in my life and if swimming was
Speaker 2: taken away from me right now, I know I would
Speaker 2: still be happy. I have a lot going for me
Speaker 2: in my life. Without swimming, I have the most wonderful family,
Speaker 2: the most wonderful friends. I live in a great house,
Speaker 2: which I'm proud of. I feel like I have a
Speaker 2: sense of I don't know. I feel like I have
Speaker 2: things I want to do after swimming. So I am
Speaker 2: happy in my life and I'm content. And everything happens
Speaker 2: this year like I want it to. I feel like
Speaker 2: you'd almost have to look at it as a bonus.
Speaker 1: Really, soon we are all going to be glued to
Speaker 1: our screens watching Arione Tipmas in her goggles and her
Speaker 1: cap and her Australian swimsuit, preparing to jump in the pool.
Speaker 1: The pressure of that moment will be intense. She'll have
Speaker 1: an entire country wanting her to succeed, and she'll have
Speaker 1: the eyes of the world on the result. And I
Speaker 1: think the only way to ensure that you jump in
Speaker 1: the pool and perform your best is to know deep
Speaker 1: down that it simply isn't the most important thing, That
Speaker 1: who you are is not defined by how you perform
Speaker 1: in one race on one day in one year at
Speaker 1: one Olympics. Perhaps the reason for Arianne's performance is that
Speaker 1: she knows that swimming is what she does, but it
Speaker 1: isn't what she is, and she has an entire life
Speaker 1: to live with dreams and aspirations outside of that. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful attitude to have, and a very healthy one,
Speaker 1: because ultimately, it's not the medals or the awards that
Speaker 1: bring us happiness. They make us proud, of course, and
Speaker 1: it's part of establishing a sense of self to see
Speaker 1: yourself as determined and a hard worker, for example, but
Speaker 1: they don't bring true happiness. Arianne is far more than
Speaker 1: a swimmer, and perhaps that's worth remembering when we anxiously
Speaker 1: watch her on the Starting Blocks. That's our last episode
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Speaker 1: You can always find me on Canceled, a comedy podcast
Speaker 1: I do with my sister Jesse, or The Baby Bubble,
Speaker 1: which is definitely not a parenting advice podcast. This episode
Speaker 1: was produced by Tarlie Blackman, with audio production by Scott Stronik.