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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges

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Speaker 2: is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to this spill

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Speaker 2: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm

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Speaker 2: m Burnham. Always a joy to see you, Emily.

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Speaker 3: I love being a guest host of You're not a guest.

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Speaker 2: You've just been busy gallivanting and doing other pods. She's

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Speaker 2: a lady of the moment, She's a rising media star.

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Speaker 2: Shut up, well, I wish we were together under slightly

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Speaker 2: better circumstances, But we do have some serious news to

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Speaker 2: delve in today. That is because we are delving into

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Speaker 2: all the updates from the ongoing Sean Comb's case. And

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Speaker 2: there's a couple of reasons. As we said last week

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Speaker 2: when we did our first big episode deep diving into

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Speaker 2: this trial, there's a couple of reasons why we feel

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Speaker 2: it's really important to keep reporting on this and really

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Speaker 2: looking into all the information. One is that there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of misinformation out there. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: people doing have you been saying a lot this week, especially.

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Speaker 3: Like it's the only thing on my TikTok fi yes

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Speaker 3: like that, and the KHNT Film Festival. It's just too wildly,

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Speaker 3: wildly different, different thing, two things that we talk in

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Speaker 3: extent on this podcast. But what's really scary, which I

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Speaker 3: feel like is more scary for us who actually work

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just very scary exactly. That's why. And we know

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Speaker 2: it's also a lot to keep up with. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the trials started on May fifth with the jury selection.

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Speaker 2: Obviously that also tied into the met Gala days, so

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of different news streams again happening at

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Speaker 2: the same time. Shawn Combs is facing charges of racketeering,

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Speaker 2: sex trafficking, and transportation to engage in prostitution. The opening

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Speaker 2: we're now like quite a few days into the trial,

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Speaker 2: and there has been so much information. So we've been

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Speaker 2: going through there's a lot of reporters in the room

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Speaker 2: who are you know, every single part of each testimony,

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Speaker 2: what the prosecution's saying, how people are like even just

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Speaker 2: reacting to each other. And I think it's really interesting

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Speaker 2: to like go through information, but we don't expect you

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Speaker 2: guys at home to do that. So we've gone through

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Speaker 2: it all. We've picked out just the top line information

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Speaker 2: you need to know. And also we do know that

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Speaker 2: people are very invested in this story, and not just

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Speaker 2: because of all the celebrity names, which we're going to

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Speaker 2: names who have been pulled into this, but people are

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Speaker 2: very invested in this story. We can tell by what

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Speaker 2: people are listening to on our podcast or they're clicking

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Speaker 2: on Mama Mia, what they're reacting to on our social streams.

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Speaker 2: And I think because Sean Colmbs has been I don't

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Speaker 2: even remember the first time I heard this man, Like

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Speaker 2: he was just there, Yeah, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: he was just there in my childhood is like puff daddy,

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Speaker 2: is this like huge music star. I don't remember what

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Speaker 2: of like knowing who was dating and his kids' names

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is very very intense, and it's still happening

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and kind of hinging on. One of the

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Speaker 2: most people would know Cassie from like two thousand and six.

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Speaker 2: She was a model before that, but then she had

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Speaker 3: It's such a brave thing for her to do, because

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Speaker 2: That's what everyone says, is like courtroom sketches are the

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Speaker 2: It's what I said. But it is just everyone gets

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Speaker 3: The emotion in that room, I feel like, is what

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Speaker 3: it's like being in that room, being the key witness

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Speaker 3: to all of this, having to rewatch videos of you

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, So. Yes, she's she's pregnant with her third

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Speaker 2: But so much of what she said, a lot of

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Speaker 2: So she talks about Sean being like a very polarizing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and not only that, which is also horrific, but

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Speaker 2: Good? I mean, yeah, I guess if you're gonna go

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Speaker 2: But so much of this case has hinged on her testimony,

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Speaker 3: So many celebrities have been named at the start of

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Speaker 3: I know, we'll talk about that later. So Michael B.

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Speaker 3: So it's very messy, it's very convolutionial, but here's kind

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Speaker 2: And again that's why so many people look at that

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Speaker 2: But really, why all that information is coming out is

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Speaker 3: This is so intense.

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Speaker 3: And it's not because people are assuming Justin Bieber was

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Speaker 2: So a lot of this.

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Speaker 3: be spending forty eight hours together and this is what

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Speaker 3: he said.

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Speaker 1: Right now, he's signing forty eight hours with Diddy, him

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Speaker 1: and his boy they're having the times of their lives,

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Speaker 1: like you know, where were hanging out and what we're

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Speaker 1: doing we can't really disclose, but it's definitely a fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old's dream. You know, I have been given custody

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Speaker 1: of him. You know he signed the Usher. I had

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Speaker 1: legal guardianship of Usher when you know he did his

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Speaker 1: first album. I did Usher's first album. I don't really

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Speaker 1: I don't have legal guardianship of him. But for the

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Speaker 1: next forty hours he's with me, so yeah, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go full but full crazy, going crazy crazy.

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Speaker 3: Another clip that's been circulated is from a twenty eleven

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel Live interview where Combs, who was referring to Biber, joked,

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Speaker 3: he knows better than to be talking about things that

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Speaker 3: he does with Big Brother Puff or national television. And

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Speaker 3: I think, as we talked about before, looking at this

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Speaker 3: through a different lens now that we have all the

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Speaker 3: context is a bit concerning. So people are rightfully to

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Speaker 3: be concerned. The reason why Justin was so close with

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Speaker 3: Combs is because do you remember when Justin first started

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Speaker 3: out and it was this whole debate of who's going

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Speaker 3: to sign with, like Usher or Justin timber A And

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Speaker 3: he chose Usher, So he was kind of like Usher's prodigy,

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Speaker 3: but Usher was Shawn Comb's prodigy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're all kind of into the careers and

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Speaker 2: their backgrounds always.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all intertwined. And in that same YouTube video you

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Speaker 3: can even see Combs explaining that's why they're so close,

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Speaker 3: like the relationships because of Usher. But Justin Bieber's team

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Speaker 3: have officially responded to the speculation that's made it clear

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Speaker 3: he is not one of Sean's victims. In the statement,

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Speaker 3: it said, although Justin is not among Sean Comb's victims.

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Speaker 3: There are individuals who are genuinely harmed by him. Shifting

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Speaker 3: focus away from this reality detracts from the justice these

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Speaker 3: victims rightfully deserve. So it's so interesting this in particular

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Speaker 3: because it just shows the spiral of social media, and

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Speaker 3: even though Justin Bieber is not named in the case

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Speaker 3: in any form, it doesn't stop people from pushing out

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Speaker 3: that information like it's truth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's all been seeing because Justin Bieber has

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Speaker 2: mostly been the headlines recently. I mean, obviously he's got

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Speaker 2: a lot going on behind this scene. It's not just

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Speaker 2: the fact that he's like a new father in stuff,

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Speaker 2: but also like he's gotten rid of a lot of

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Speaker 2: his team and he's you know, having a lot of

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Speaker 2: different like altercations there. And some of them spoke about

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Speaker 2: him in a profile saying they hope he's okay, but

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Speaker 2: people are really drawing a line from that story and

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Speaker 2: then seeing him yell at paparazzi and seeing him look

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Speaker 2: like seemingly erratic at events, drawing a line from all

482
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Speaker 2: of that and saying he's acting like this in public

483
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Speaker 2: because he's linked to the Sean Combs case, and I

484
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Speaker 2: just think that's a bit of too much. It's again,

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Speaker 2: I understand from just a point of concern why people

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Speaker 2: are just like really worried for this young star that

487
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Speaker 2: a lot of people grew up like loving his music

488
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Speaker 2: and feeling very protective of him. But I do think

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like a bit misleading to be putting

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Speaker 2: those pieces together without realizing that from what I've seen anyway,

491
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Speaker 2: maybe there's other information out there, but from what we've seen,

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Speaker 2: his name wasn't on the list of celebrities that was

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Speaker 2: presented to the jury before the court case started. He

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Speaker 2: hasn't been listed officially or even mentioned as far again,

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Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, in any of the lawsuits

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Speaker 2: put forward, no one said his name in the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: There's so many other celebrities that are very tenuously linked.

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Speaker 2: Even Michelle william from Destiny's Child, like her name has

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Speaker 2: been mentioned a few times. We don't know the context

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Speaker 2: of that, Yeah, but Justin Bieber's name's not anywhere, so

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Speaker 2: and I.

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Speaker 3: Feel like talking about it like really pulls away focus

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Speaker 3: from the actual victims, like Cassie, because Justin Bieber is

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Speaker 3: the bigger celebrity name here. Yeah, So I feel like

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Speaker 3: the last thing that Cassie's story needs is people to

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Speaker 3: talk about this case in relation to Justin Biber and

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Speaker 3: it's not part of him.

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Speaker 2: At all, exactly when Again, I know that a lot

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Speaker 2: of people were thinking this would be this big celebrity

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Speaker 2: takedown for all these different celebrities. And look, we still

511
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Speaker 2: got quite a few days of the trial to go, like,

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Speaker 2: maybe other things will come out. But I think when

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Speaker 2: this story first started breaking, people were like, Jennifer Lopez

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Speaker 2: is going to be taken down all these even though

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Speaker 2: he put out a statement saying that he had nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with anything. It was just one work photo

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Speaker 2: that were pitched in. There was all these kind of

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Speaker 2: talks around whose celebrity A and celebrity B, like all

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Speaker 2: this sort of stuff. And I just think that potentially

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Speaker 2: people might like that side of the story because it's

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Speaker 2: a bit like sensationless.

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Speaker 3: It's not a movie. It's like a real thing that happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also do understand the interest in it

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Speaker 2: because at the same time, like like I said at

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Speaker 2: the top of the episode, a lot of us are

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Speaker 2: very invested in this because we've been watching these people

527
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Speaker 2: for decades. Yeah, So I do understand, Like I don't

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Speaker 2: want to completely like shut those people down, because I

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Speaker 2: do want to send there's an interest in finding out

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Speaker 2: someone that you have potentially loved and followed their career

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Speaker 2: for decades finding out there and involved in something like this,

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Speaker 2: so like you kind of want that information. You want

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Speaker 2: to know what's happening. So I understand. But like we

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Speaker 2: have quite a few days of the trial left, so

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Speaker 2: and this is only sort of like the first round

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Speaker 2: of testimony. A lot more people are going to be

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Speaker 2: brought in, so I think there'll be a lot more

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Speaker 2: information to come on this case.

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