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Speaker 2: Mama Mia. Out loud. What women are actually talking about
Speaker 2: on Monday, the fourth of August.
Speaker 3: I'm Holly Waynwright, I am Jesse Stevens, and I'm Amelia Lester.
Speaker 2: In case you missed it, our MEA's on long service leave,
Speaker 2: and so Amelia Lester is here.
Speaker 3: So Maya has been on the show for ten years.
Speaker 3: Apparently that entitles her to long service sleep. I will say,
Speaker 3: how long you've been at the company, Holly.
Speaker 2: Don't try and get rid of me that easily.
Speaker 3: I've been at the company for ten years and I'm
Speaker 3: starting to bang my I think we should go to
Speaker 3: produce a roof and say there's a few more of
Speaker 3: us who are entitled to some late I will say,
Speaker 3: well at.
Speaker 2: The door, exactly after her, No, I'm staying here. You'll
Speaker 2: have to one gloom me from my seat. On today's show, are.
Speaker 4: We in a toxic relationship with Carrie Bradshaw? I asked
Speaker 4: this important question as ands like that comes to end.
Speaker 2: Prince Harry Fretn's legal action over a story that he
Speaker 2: should definitely just have led us all believe because it
Speaker 2: made him look really good.
Speaker 3: And the latest shapewear for your face. Sometimes when I'm prepping,
Speaker 3: I come across a theory that is so brilliant and
Speaker 3: explosive that I think I can't wait to tell you
Speaker 3: both and I have cracked why this has gone viral
Speaker 3: and what the aim here is, what the marketing ployer is.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to tell you, But first images of
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of Sydney Siders marching across the Harbor
Speaker 3: Bridge have gone global after a historic pro Palestine demonstration
Speaker 3: over the weekend. High profile figures like Julian Assang, Craig Foster,
Speaker 3: Bob Carr and Antoinette Latoufe all attended, along with politicians Labor,
Speaker 3: Federal MP Ed Husick and Green Senator Maureen Ferruki. In
Speaker 3: terms of how many people attended the protest, estimates range
Speaker 3: from ninety thousand to three hundred thousand, and The Guardian
Speaker 3: has called it one of the biggest protests in Sydney's history.
Speaker 4: What were the stated of the protest?
Speaker 3: So it was organized by a group called the Palestine
Speaker 3: Action Group and The march was called March for Humanity.
Speaker 3: It was specifically addressing the deliberate starvation of Gazans. They
Speaker 3: said on their website. There's obviously enormous symbolism with the Hubberbridge,
Speaker 3: and Melbourne actually had its own protest as well. But
Speaker 3: I think the reason that these images went so global
Speaker 3: was because of the iconography of the Harbour Bridge, the
Speaker 3: power and Holly. What is the sort of state of
Speaker 3: things in Australia Because Albanezi obviously saw this protest and
Speaker 3: there's been news out today about AID and Australia's commitment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Alba wasn't there and nor was Chrismins the
Speaker 2: New South Wales premiere, and there was a bit of
Speaker 2: argument and descent there because I think Chrismins asked his
Speaker 2: ministers not to go and some of them did, but
Speaker 2: broadly speaking it was recognized as being a big people push.
Speaker 2: So after the march, Albanezi announced an extra twenty million
Speaker 2: in AID to humanitarian agencies in Gaza. Since the October
Speaker 2: seventh tax, the Australian government has committed over one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty million to humanitarian assistance of civilians there. Now
Speaker 2: that money goes to different organizations, but their agencies like
Speaker 2: the UN World Food Program, UNICEF, the International Committee of
Speaker 2: the Red Cross, and to bodies who are operating with
Speaker 2: other countries through established trade routes to try and get
Speaker 2: the aid through. Albanese has also dialed up his rhetoric
Speaker 2: a little bit. Today he's announced that he's trying to
Speaker 2: get a call well it hasn't announced it, but it's
Speaker 2: been widely reported that he's trying to get a call
Speaker 2: with Netanya Who this week. Last week he said, we
Speaker 2: have a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding there and Australia is willing
Speaker 2: to play our part. That is indeed something that is
Speaker 2: bringing I think legitimate criticism of the actions of the
Speaker 2: netinnja Who government. Too many innocent lives have been lost.
Speaker 2: This is all building speculation that maybe Albanzi will be
Speaker 2: following the lead of some other countries like the UK,
Speaker 2: Canada and France in moving to recognize Palestine as a state.
Speaker 2: It's actually been Labor Party policy since twenty eighteen to
Speaker 2: recognize Palestine as a state, and now it's being reported
Speaker 2: it's much more of a question of not if, but when.
Speaker 2: But the coalition meanwhile say that any recognition could only
Speaker 2: come after a sustained period of peace, the return of
Speaker 2: the remaining hostages, And it has to be said, there
Speaker 2: was harrowing footage released this weekend of two of those
Speaker 2: hostages looking emaciated. It was very distressing and the demilitization
Speaker 2: of Hamas Amelia. What difference will it make for Palestine
Speaker 2: to be recognized in this way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so while it won't make much of a practical difference,
Speaker 4: certainly not in the short term. I think it is
Speaker 4: aimed at getting Ntnyahu back to the negotiating table and
Speaker 4: getting the US back to the negotiating table too. And
Speaker 4: there are still lots of open questions like what territory
Speaker 4: these countries such as France and Britain and Canada, as
Speaker 4: you mentioned, what territory are they recognizing as Palestinian and
Speaker 4: also who's going to govern Gaza. These are open questions.
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, the fact that these world leaders are doing
Speaker 4: this and are recognizing Palestine, I think indicates that there's
Speaker 4: been an international tipping point on this issue in the
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, and I think it's clear that
Speaker 4: that's been occasioned by the images of famine coming out
Speaker 4: of Gaza. In fact, both French President Macron and British
Speaker 4: Prime Minister Stama both mentioned those images when they announced
Speaker 4: that they would be recognizing a state of Palestine. And
Speaker 4: it's interesting that the very day that President Macran made
Speaker 4: this announcement, the United States and Israel, who were still
Speaker 4: very much in tandem, walked away from peace talks, from
Speaker 4: ceesfire talks and Katar Netanna who accused her mass of
Speaker 4: not acting in good faith. But nonetheless, the ceasefire talks
Speaker 4: have been stalled for a long time. And now the
Speaker 4: fact that world leaders are pressuring net Nonya, who might
Speaker 4: mean that the parties are more willing to come to
Speaker 4: the table and find some common ground and end this war.
Speaker 2: As always, for more on this story, please listen to
Speaker 2: our twice daily news podcast, The Quickie Changing Pace. The
Speaker 2: Logis happened last night. I know this is a characteristically
Speaker 2: holly thing to bring. I would like to talk about
Speaker 2: the love. You know what we don't usually see at
Speaker 2: the logis. We usually don't see an A list star
Speaker 2: actively campaigning to not win the Gold Logi, which remains
Speaker 2: even in this and we could talk for ages about
Speaker 2: the fragmented era of television and how freedom are is
Speaker 2: dead and blah blah blah, but people still like the logis.
Speaker 2: People click on the logis on Mamma Mia and other
Speaker 2: news sites. They want to see whether or not indeed
Speaker 2: Hamish Blake was going to win. And that was this
Speaker 2: year's conundrum because he was the sole man nominated for
Speaker 2: a gold among there were five women, and Hamish, has
Speaker 2: that ever happened before. It has never happened before, and
Speaker 2: it's usually a real sausage fest, the whole Gold Logi situation.
Speaker 2: The other nominees were Ali Langdon, Julia Morris, Lisa Miller,
Speaker 2: Poling yow Sonya Krueger, and Lynn McGranger. This is what
Speaker 2: Hamish had to say when he got up earlier in
Speaker 2: the show before the Gold Logi was announced to present
Speaker 2: some award with Sophie Monk. He had to say this,
Speaker 2: we have to address the elephant in the room.
Speaker 5: Yep, yes, no, yeah, You're.
Speaker 4: Up for the Gold Loggi along with six other women,
Speaker 4: and it just would have been like this beautiful moment
Speaker 4: to have all.
Speaker 2: Women I know, I know, and then you're just like
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 5: There, yeah, yeah, I'm sort of like the drunk uncle
Speaker 5: in the bridesmaid's photo, just thinking he's a legend. Yeah,
Speaker 5: do you reckon?
Speaker 4: It's a good look if you win.
Speaker 5: No. No, I don't what a unique position to be
Speaker 5: in to fear the win, because I mean, unless I'm
Speaker 5: reading the room wrong, I just don't know if anyone's like,
Speaker 5: let's hear it from middle aged white guys, be awesome
Speaker 5: to see you crash through the pack. Yep, well there's
Speaker 5: what she's thank you, seat filler.
Speaker 2: He just can't help himself but be adorable. Never wait, anyway,
Speaker 2: I buried the lead because he didn't need to worry.
Speaker 2: He did not win. Lynn McGranger one, she has been
Speaker 2: on Home and Away for thirty three years and she's
Speaker 2: retiring this year, and Sampang made a whole joke about
Speaker 2: how no one knows how she's gonna let's just say die,
Speaker 2: because she might not die, she might exit, but he
Speaker 2: said maybe it will be in a or do you
Speaker 2: mean die on the show is and everyone's assuming the
Speaker 2: way she's going to get written out will be some
Speaker 2: like cataclysmic event.
Speaker 4: Better.
Speaker 2: Pang made a gag about how it should be during
Speaker 2: an orgie with the under twenty one of a PI
Speaker 2: League team, but it probably won't be anyway, she won
Speaker 2: the Gold.
Speaker 3: I love what Lynn said in her speech about how
Speaker 3: that show has employed writers and actors for that many years,
Speaker 3: especially at a time when it's you know, really fickle.
Speaker 3: It's really difficult for people to get work, and the
Speaker 3: best TV writers that I've met work on that show
Speaker 3: and write brilliant scripts and it pays the bills, and
Speaker 3: like that's you know, whether you want to kind of
Speaker 3: make fun of the show for being a soap, like
Speaker 3: it's been such a staple of Australian television. But on Hamish,
Speaker 3: I just from the moment he got nominated, he said,
Speaker 3: made the best woman win. He did not want that
Speaker 3: award to be someone who has won enough awards, because
Speaker 3: he's won the Gold Logi twice, all right, so he
Speaker 3: just always gets nominated. Yeah, and he won another one
Speaker 3: for all the time.
Speaker 2: Although very exciting for me because I know that maybe
Speaker 2: this says something really tragic about the demographic that I'm in.
Speaker 2: But a lot of my favorites got up at the
Speaker 2: Logis last night. Muster Dogs, Hello, can you love that show? Beat,
Speaker 2: Lego Master's Beat, all the things. Lisa Miller was up there.
Speaker 2: She was nearly crying. It was a glorious moment for
Speaker 2: little doggies all over the nation. Their little paws were
Speaker 2: clapping together, and they were going out and rounding up
Speaker 2: extra sheep to show them their LOGI it was a
Speaker 2: big deal.
Speaker 3: I hope they got a bonus.
Speaker 2: A bonus.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I didn't even think of that. That
Speaker 3: was my hate PNS.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Please cuttings day.
Speaker 2: Excited about Fisk Awards and Kitty Flannagan was fabulous every
Speaker 2: time she got up. And my mate Guy Montgomery from
Speaker 2: guymont Spelling be got Best New Talent, which is kind
Speaker 2: of funny because I think he's at least thirty five.
Speaker 4: I have a brief fashion note. Hamish didn't win, but
Speaker 4: I love to his wife's dress. Soory Foster Blake's dress.
Speaker 4: I thought it was exceptional, conceptual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I also loved that she was like, just
Speaker 3: to be clear, I also don't want Hamish to win, like,
Speaker 3: I don't want him anywhere near that award. And also
Speaker 3: a shout out to Bluey most watch show in the
Speaker 3: entire world.
Speaker 2: Sometime was very funny. He made some great gags and
Speaker 2: we'll be unpacking the logis in a bit more detail
Speaker 2: on an episode for subscribers tomorrow. But he made the
Speaker 2: edgiest joke of the night about Blue that I think
Speaker 2: made the room go because he said it's the most
Speaker 2: streamed children's show in America after an instructional video about
Speaker 2: school shootings.
Speaker 4: He's probably not wrong.
Speaker 3: I think that's actually quite a good joke.
Speaker 4: Just like that couple you know who are forever breaking
Speaker 4: up and getting back together again, the Carrie Bradshaw story
Speaker 4: we're told is ending, but for real, this time for real.
Speaker 4: In a statement released on Friday, the showrunner of the show,
Speaker 4: Michael Patrick King, shared that the Sex and the City
Speaker 4: universe would be ending with the third season of unjust
Speaker 4: like that, which means we just have two episodes left
Speaker 4: to so all of our Carrie needs. In what may
Speaker 4: or may not have been a coded message, Kim Katrell,
Speaker 4: who played Samantha in the original series and famously sat
Speaker 4: out and just like that, posted a picture of a
Speaker 4: sunset on Friday night with the caption it's been a
Speaker 4: very long week.
Speaker 2: You know what I noticed. I'm sure we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about what SJP posted this long tribute. But Kim
Speaker 2: Cattrell featured in a lot of the imagery in that
Speaker 2: that she posted was nice.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I feel like you want to believe that
Speaker 4: Sarah Jessica Parker is reaching out to came in that.
Speaker 4: I also noticed I was interested in whether she was
Speaker 4: depicting Chris Noth at all big in the montage, and
Speaker 4: he made it in twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Over the weekend, though, my group chats really lit up,
Speaker 4: not with Michael Patrick King's announcement, but with Sarah Jessica
Speaker 4: Parker's follow up to it. It was a somewhat self
Speaker 4: indulgent spoken word poem. I'm just going to call it
Speaker 4: set to a montage of highly flattering picks of Carrie.
Speaker 4: Let's just hear a little bit of it now.
Speaker 1: She crossed streets, avenues, rubercuns, so it seemed she broke hearts, heels, habits,
Speaker 1: she loved, lost one, tripped.
Speaker 4: Tripped, tripped.
Speaker 3: See that wasn't That wasn't Sarah Jessica Parker who wrote
Speaker 3: that or said that that was Carrie? Like that was
Speaker 3: so encaraged.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's exactly the problem that I want to talk about, Jesse.
Speaker 4: But before we get to that, I would be remiss
Speaker 4: if I did not mention the online chatter, you know
Speaker 4: the stuff I'm talking about, Holly, about whether the show
Speaker 4: was jumped or whether it pushed. Basically, did HBO Max
Speaker 4: cancel the show or did in fact Michael Patrick King
Speaker 4: and Sarah Jessica Parker just come to this conclusion as
Speaker 4: they were working on the final episodes of this season.
Speaker 4: We'll never know the answer to that, but let's face it,
Speaker 4: the show was horrible. Spoiler, This show was horrible and
Speaker 4: I loved it. But Holly, I think we're in a
Speaker 4: toxic relationship with Carrie. I couldn't help but wonder why
Speaker 4: we are engaged in the humiliation rich of watching these women.
Speaker 2: Look, I was very upset about this. I was very
Speaker 2: upset about it. I woke up very early on Saturday
Speaker 2: morning for reasons we don't need to go into. I
Speaker 2: looked at my phone and I saw this, and then
Speaker 2: I saw sgp's announcement. That's where i'mkay. I was like,
Speaker 2: surely not, surely not, not that high quality, low budget show.
Speaker 2: I can't be getting rid of that now. I genuinely
Speaker 2: was upset, because you're right, it's a very typically smart
Speaker 2: and meliately less a point to make that we were
Speaker 2: in a toxic relationship with Carrie. I definitely am because
Speaker 2: the thing that made me really sad about it. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to argue that, and just like that is
Speaker 2: brilliant prestige TV. It isn't, but it is certainly no
Speaker 2: worse than a lot of stuff that I feel Netflix
Speaker 2: every day. But I on the ending of this universe
Speaker 2: is worth noting to me because I think that for
Speaker 2: a generation of women, she is the fictional character I've
Speaker 2: spent more time with than any other fiction character in
Speaker 2: the world. If you think about all six seasons of
Speaker 2: the TV show, which let's face it, I've watched more
Speaker 2: than once.
Speaker 4: The movie recommended season six to me, and it was
Speaker 4: a brilliant He's of television perfection.
Speaker 2: That show was perfection the movies. That's where the rot
Speaker 2: said in let's be honest, because when the movie's kicked in,
Speaker 2: that's where Michael Patrick King, who look us inside as
Speaker 2: we call him MPK, that's where MBK decided that we
Speaker 2: needed slapstick in our lives. Remember who could forget like
Speaker 2: Charlotte shitting herself on Holiday Mexico. Like he suddenly decided
Speaker 2: and I've heard him talk on the podcast that. Of course,
Speaker 2: I also listened to every episode of his favorite thing
Speaker 2: about the actors is that they can clown, and I say,
Speaker 2: no clown clowning. The original show was not like that.
Speaker 2: It was not very slapsticky. It had its moments, but anyway,
Speaker 2: I love being with these women. So even though the
Speaker 2: show is not amazing, I'm speaking for the people like
Speaker 2: me who sit and refresh on a Friday for the
Speaker 2: show pop up, and then I indulge in it in
Speaker 2: a nostalgic escapism that probably isn't this similar to all
Speaker 2: the middle aged dudes who are buying their Oasis tickets
Speaker 2: right They know these guys are past their prime. They
Speaker 2: know the songs aren't gonna sound the same as they
Speaker 2: did in nineteen ninety four, but this was their youth.
Speaker 2: These are their people. I want to know what happens
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 4: Okay, I agree with all of that, but they have
Speaker 4: destroyed the legacy of the show. I love these women
Speaker 4: just as much as you love these women. I want
Speaker 4: to make that clear. But what Sarah, Jessica Parker and
Speaker 4: MPK did with this was let their vanity and let
Speaker 4: money get in the way of what that show meant
Speaker 4: to so many people. I had to unlearn these characters.
Speaker 4: Miranda is all of a sudden a wallflower who was
Speaker 4: incapable of confrontation. Miranda suddenly, Carrie is a sex colonist.
Speaker 4: You can't say the word vagina, and I don't even
Speaker 4: know what to say about Charlotte and can't myriad facial
Speaker 4: expressions and her kind of like tad wife Upper east
Speaker 4: Side existence. That's not what she waste.
Speaker 3: Was always that she chased this, I thought, okay as
Speaker 3: an art. When I saw the memes, I went, oh,
Speaker 3: Carrie died, like because I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3: I don't follow m j K mp K. Honestly, I
Speaker 3: thought she died, and I was like, Oh, that's sad.
Speaker 3: I wonder how it happened. But then I went, this
Speaker 3: is the show that cried finale, right because it cried
Speaker 3: finale after what two thousand and four. I think when
Speaker 3: the original show season six, I thought, we said bye.
Speaker 3: I hate it when people want me to say by
Speaker 3: multiple times. It annoys me emotionally. Yes, that happened. Then
Speaker 3: we watched two films. Bye the film, and then it
Speaker 3: came back. I guarantee that there is going to be
Speaker 3: some other iteration, they're going to try and give us
Speaker 3: a novel or a podcast or something. But when that
Speaker 3: Lisa Todd Wexley's dad died for the second time, I
Speaker 3: went come on.
Speaker 4: With her stepdad. I have a theory, which is I
Speaker 4: think that what went wrong is that these three lead
Speaker 4: actors just wanted to play themselves, and that's what went
Speaker 4: wrong with I disagree.
Speaker 2: I have a sneaking suspicion that Cynthia Nixon in particular
Speaker 2: is as horrified as anybody about particularly that karaoke scene
Speaker 2: in this most recent series, because that's not who Cynthia
Speaker 2: Nixon is. I think blaming the women is wrong.
Speaker 4: I have receipts. Cynthia Nixon posted a montage on Instagram.
Speaker 4: You know how she didn't post in it. He's a
Speaker 4: math so clearly she's as caught up in all of
Speaker 4: the internal drama as Sarah Jessica Parker.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's got anything to do with
Speaker 2: the characterization. I think for those actors, you would be
Speaker 2: crazy to turn it down. When MPK comes knocking with
Speaker 2: the big bucks, right, you would be crazy to turn
Speaker 2: it down. And I agree with you that the show's
Speaker 2: bed come overblown One of the things I learned listening
Speaker 2: to that podcast is the amount of money that they spend.
Speaker 2: There is a puppet in the most recent episode that
Speaker 2: apparently they had to audition six different propertiers for, you know,
Speaker 2: let's not even get into carry shoes. So I think
Speaker 2: it's overblown. I think it's out of time. We don't
Speaker 2: want to spend that much money on these kind of
Speaker 2: shows anymore. And I get all that, but I for one,
Speaker 2: will be very sad to not be hanging out with
Speaker 2: Carrie in that bloody beautiful house anymore.
Speaker 4: Do you think that Sarah Jessica Parker is embarrassed by
Speaker 4: what Escha mazzl This has turned into.
Speaker 2: Well, we all know because when she was on Howard
Speaker 2: Stern and she expressed surprise about the aid and licking
Speaker 2: his hands seat she doesn't watch it that she doesn't
Speaker 2: watch it, and like SJP, I think understands very much
Speaker 2: the importance of carrying the culture. But she's a Booker
Speaker 2: Prize judge like she's I think in her personal life
Speaker 2: she's an intellectual, right, she is probably not following every
Speaker 2: episode of it just like that. So maybe it just
Speaker 2: rather than your theory that they became who they are.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably become too far from who they are.
Speaker 3: I have another more pressing question about this segment, Holly,
Speaker 3: you said earlier that you work up really early on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Why because my daughter has a job in a bakery.
Speaker 2: She has to be there at six on the weekends.
Speaker 3: You have to drive her.
Speaker 2: I have to drive her minutes.
Speaker 3: Why don't you go back to bed when you got home?
Speaker 2: Well, look I did, but then I was in SJP.
Speaker 2: He ruined my morning. In a minute. I've got a
Speaker 2: scorelous royal round up for you. It's been a while
Speaker 2: in some confusing and disturbing royal news. Prince Harry has
Speaker 2: publicly distanced himself from the one rumor that he probably
Speaker 2: should have let live. That he once punched Prince Andrew
Speaker 2: in the face.
Speaker 3: Was the opposite of defamation, Yes.
Speaker 2: Exactly, this was burnishing his questionable character and yet too
Speaker 2: rich today from Harry to the Mail about this, let
Speaker 2: me explain. There's a new book out about Andrew and
Speaker 2: his family. Well, it's not actually out yet, it's about
Speaker 2: to be out, but excerts have started being published in
Speaker 2: the UK press. It's called entitled The Rise and Fall
Speaker 2: of the House of York, and as the title might suggest,
Speaker 2: it's not a puff piece. The journalist who wrote it's
Speaker 2: a guy called Andrew Lownie. He's a historian and a
Speaker 2: journal and he approached three thousand people to talk to
Speaker 2: him about Andrew. Apparently about ten percent of them said yes,
Speaker 2: and quite a lot of them have gone on the record,
Speaker 2: and no one had anything nice to say. Here's a
Speaker 2: little assessment, just a few little snippets from it, entitled
Speaker 2: the book says that Jeffrey Epstein told friends about Andrew,
Speaker 2: we are both serial sex addicts. He's the only person
Speaker 2: I have met who is more obsessed with pussy than me.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. And then there's a whole lot of stuff
Speaker 2: about how gross he was and inappropriate touching to everyone
Speaker 2: from my sus to awful jokes. And then apparently he's
Speaker 2: also very into himself and his overstated sense of importance
Speaker 2: about being a prince widely corroborated reports that say that
Speaker 2: whenever he'd go in a room and everyone wouldn't stand
Speaker 2: up to rise when he entered, because he's supposed to
Speaker 2: do that. People are really fancy and important in the
Speaker 2: royal family. He would say, let's try that again and
Speaker 2: leave the room and re enter and make sure that
Speaker 2: everyone would stand and bow. So far, so vile. But
Speaker 2: then there's a story in here that Andrew was bitching
Speaker 2: to the other royals about Meghan Markele behind Harry's back
Speaker 2: back in the day, and that at a family do
Speaker 2: Harry called him out about it, telling him to say
Speaker 2: it to his face if he wasn't such a coward,
Speaker 2: and things got physical and a scuffle broke out and
Speaker 2: Andrew apparently ended up with a bloody nose. They also
Speaker 2: say that Andrew told Harry that his marriage to Meghan
Speaker 2: Markle would not last more than a month and accused
Speaker 2: his nephew of going bonkers which is English for crazy,
Speaker 2: and not doing any due diligence into a past. He
Speaker 2: openly accused Meghan of being an opportunist and thought she
Speaker 2: was too old for Harry, adding that his nephew was
Speaker 2: making the biggest mistake of his life. This is all
Speaker 2: supposed to be why Harry punched him in the face,
Speaker 2: and yet today a spokesperson for Prince Harry for the
Speaker 2: Duke of Sussex has told People Magazine and other places
Speaker 2: I can confirm neither of those things. A true, Prince
Speaker 2: Harry and Prince Andrew have never had a physical fight,
Speaker 2: nor did Prince Andrew ever make those comments about the
Speaker 2: Duchess of Sussex to Prince Harry. My question is, among
Speaker 2: many questions, why wouldn't Harry just let everyone believe that
Speaker 2: he punched the worst person than the world in the
Speaker 2: nose one of.
Speaker 3: The words, yeah, I don't think that was a problem.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have gone on the record about that. I
Speaker 3: don't think this is horrific. What we have seen so
Speaker 3: far from what's in this book is so damning, and
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone had high opinions of Prince Andrew.
Speaker 4: And you know what's so interesting to me about it
Speaker 4: is that this is a book getting published in the UK,
Speaker 4: which has the strictest defamation laws of basically anywhere in
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 3: There was a like a sports therapist, like a massage therapist.
Speaker 3: I found what she said really damning. So she was
Speaker 3: saying that she was in her workplace, really working with
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew and the comments he would make to her
Speaker 3: about her body and what sex she enjoyed and when
Speaker 3: was the last time she had sex, Like it just
Speaker 3: sounds like that was constant, and it's inconceivable that everyone
Speaker 3: around Prince Andrew didn't know, like this was clearly an
Speaker 3: open secret. And my question, I suppose, is how it
Speaker 3: took this long, Like did it take him falling so
Speaker 3: far being so cast out of the Royal family?
Speaker 4: Hasn't been cast out of the Royal family. I think
Speaker 4: that's part of the problem here. He's still going to
Speaker 4: church services with the family on Christmas.
Speaker 2: I think they would like him to go away. To
Speaker 2: your question of how is this allowed to happen? We
Speaker 2: know that powerful, wealthy people get away with a lot, right,
Speaker 2: and in Britain's society doesn't get any more powerful. It
Speaker 2: gets wealthy yet, but it doesn't get any more powerful
Speaker 2: and high status in the Royal family and their bad
Speaker 2: behavior and inverted commerce has been tolerated and enabled and
Speaker 2: brushed under the carpet forever, you know, since Henry the
Speaker 2: Eights was chopping off his wife's heads. So I think
Speaker 2: that for a long time it was tolerated. I think
Speaker 2: that when the legal stuff started to happen that could
Speaker 2: not be pushed away or ignored or denied. Really about
Speaker 2: what Prince Andrew may or may not have been doing
Speaker 2: with Epstein and others. They've tried to make him go
Speaker 2: away quietly, but he is clearly outraged about it and
Speaker 2: doesn't want to. This book is going to blow up
Speaker 2: because one of the explanations for why Harry hasn't just
Speaker 2: gone sure, I punched him in the nose or whatever,
Speaker 2: like he's aw awful person. It's because he's really good
Speaker 2: mates with Andrews. Yes, so those girls didn't ask for
Speaker 2: their dad to be this awful human, and he's very
Speaker 2: good friends with Eugenie. But all of that side of
Speaker 2: the family going to come under a very intense spotlight
Speaker 2: with this book. It will be very interesting to see
Speaker 2: what Chils is going to do.
Speaker 4: I think you really landed on why Harry came out,
Speaker 4: because what's interesting about that statement is it says, Okay,
Speaker 4: he didn't punch him, but also Andrew didn't say these
Speaker 4: hateful things about Megan, and I think that plays into
Speaker 4: the idea that he doesn't want Andrew's daughters to face
Speaker 4: any more scrutiny for things that their father didn't do,
Speaker 4: because they're going to face enough for what he did do.
Speaker 2: They are and they are loyal to Harry. So in
Speaker 2: the documentary, I remember they kept in a part where
Speaker 2: Eugenie or Husu, as Harry calls her, was flying into
Speaker 2: La to meet them. So they've managed to play both.
Speaker 3: Sides quite well.
Speaker 2: The York girls, as it were, women now both married
Speaker 2: with kids and everything. And I think that that probably
Speaker 2: tells us why Harry didn't want to throw more fuel
Speaker 2: on the fire. But the fire is burning, it's going
Speaker 2: to be very hard for anyone to get out of there.
Speaker 2: In other news, one member of the royal family appears
Speaker 2: at least to have done something normal. Princess Ann's son
Speaker 2: is getting married Peter Phillips, as he's known because Princess
Speaker 2: Ann famously did not give her kids titles. Take note,
Speaker 2: Harry and Meggs, They're just called Peter Phillips and Zarah
Speaker 2: Phillips is engaged for the second time and he is
Speaker 2: marrying NHS Nurse Harriet's Spurling, which seems on the surface
Speaker 2: to be very normal.
Speaker 3: I thought that, and then I read an article.
Speaker 2: A little dig yeah, a little bit of digging. She
Speaker 2: is reportedly a distant relation of the Duke of Gloucester.
Speaker 2: It is interesting that she once wrote an article for
Speaker 2: a Christian magazine about being a single mother, and she
Speaker 2: talks about having struggled and that resources were scarce in
Speaker 2: that time and everything. So she certainly isn't blue blood royal.
Speaker 2: But he's got two daughters from his first marriage. They're
Speaker 2: getting married, and everybody's saying, isn't this lovely and normal?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Because I saw the lovely and normal commentary, and
Speaker 3: then I went deep and I don't know what any
Speaker 3: of these words mean. But there was a Gloucester. Is
Speaker 3: that what it's called? Yes, there was that. There was
Speaker 3: something about a lord of the manner of edgecoat goodness,
Speaker 3: and there was a first cousin of Princess Alice.
Speaker 4: And wasn't edge coat the pile as it were if
Speaker 4: Pemberley and in the BBC Pride and Prejudice.
Speaker 2: Now there you go, there we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't think she's your averaginess. I think
Speaker 3: that she has some connection a little bit like, wait,
Speaker 3: does Kate Middleton have a connection? No, she actually does, Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so she's she's not a
Speaker 3: total outsider normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, being a bit cynical because in one generation. Look,
Speaker 4: I think it is actually kind of amazing that they
Speaker 4: both had first marriages, they both have children, from other relationships.
Speaker 4: It's a blended family in a way that just one
Speaker 4: generation ago Charles was checking to see whether the Diana
Speaker 4: was a virgin. We've come a long way, It's true.
Speaker 3: After the break, a forensic analysis of the viral skims
Speaker 3: shapewear that has everyone talking and a merely is demanding
Speaker 3: a rite of reply, and yeah, she's about to get.
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Speaker 3: This thing happens on the show sometimes when a host
Speaker 3: is an on that particular show, but they listen because
Speaker 3: they're loyal, but they find themselves yelling, raising their voice
Speaker 3: and saying I needed to be on that show because
Speaker 3: everyone is apparently wrong. And this happens to listeners as well.
Speaker 3: It's a very relatable experience. I'm sure me is doing
Speaker 3: it right now. Emily, you had one such experience last week.
Speaker 3: You were listening to a segment and you went and
Speaker 3: hated it. You hated it, you hated it. I would
Speaker 3: like to give you because we believe in respectful disagreement,
Speaker 3: don't we, Holly, We do.
Speaker 2: We work very hard at that.
Speaker 3: We're very open to having our minds changed.
Speaker 2: I like to burst in when I've been on holidays,
Speaker 2: I'll say, Jesse Maya, listen to me.
Speaker 3: Listen to me. Well, I would like to give you
Speaker 3: a platform, Amelia Lester for a write of reply.
Speaker 4: It feels good not to be screaming into the void
Speaker 4: as I take a neighborhood walk listening thank you for
Speaker 4: giving me a microphone. You were talking last week about
Speaker 4: Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle Gens campaign. Now loose as I
Speaker 4: am to give any more attention to what is, after all,
Speaker 4: a gen's commercial, I must because you were all wrong
Speaker 4: on it. So basically, to bring you up to speed,
Speaker 4: the Hollywood actor Sydney Sweeney modeled some genes in a
Speaker 4: kind of riff on the Brookshields Calvin Kleine advertisements, talking
Speaker 4: about how sexy they were and how good they looked,
Speaker 4: and also how because she has blonde hair and blue
Speaker 4: eyes she has good genes. And genes, of course can
Speaker 4: be spelled two ways, and on one at least one
Speaker 4: billboard for the campaign, the word genes are spelled ge
Speaker 4: nes and then crossed out, and then genes we was
Speaker 4: scrawled underneath it, with the implication that Sydney Sweeney is
Speaker 4: both wearing a very nice pair of straight leg jeans
Speaker 4: because they're back, but also she has good genetic material.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of context that I think that you
Speaker 4: all missed in saying that everyone sort of needs to
Speaker 4: get over the outrage on this, and that is that
Speaker 4: there's a very big, live debate happening in the United
Speaker 4: States right now where the ads came out about who
Speaker 4: gets to be an American, who gets to have that citizenship,
Speaker 4: and the Trump administration is challenging birthright citizenship in the courts,
Speaker 4: Immigrations and Customs enforcement is rounding up migrants wearing bandanas
Speaker 4: over their faces, and for the first time in recorded history,
Speaker 4: the US is going to have net zero migration this year,
Speaker 4: which is kind of extraordinary for a country that valued
Speaker 4: itself as a nation of people who come from other places.
Speaker 4: And it's because that speaks to how chilled the environment
Speaker 4: has become there. This administration is really setting a message
Speaker 4: that we don't want people to come from other places
Speaker 4: to America.
Speaker 3: So Here's what I'm interested in because I take everything
Speaker 3: you say and I think on the show, we talked
Speaker 3: about ice, and we talked about a whole lot of
Speaker 3: policies that definitely made this ad particularly fraud. My question
Speaker 3: is whether it was an accident that they touched on
Speaker 3: this hot button issue or whether it was on purpose.
Speaker 3: What do you think? Do you think American Eagle knew
Speaker 3: that this was all bubbling and they went, let's just
Speaker 3: throw something out that will make this into a viral moment.
Speaker 4: It's impossible to overstate how chilled it feels in the
Speaker 4: US right now. I was just there recently, and whether
Speaker 4: people are talking about it or not, there's a feeling
Speaker 4: that the country is changing before everyone's eyes. Now, keep
Speaker 4: in mind there's at least one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 4: million Americans who hate what this administration is doing and
Speaker 4: feel completely powerless to stop it. So when a company
Speaker 4: tries to sell genes by tapping into these very sinister,
Speaker 4: nefarious undertones that are out there, it makes you angry
Speaker 4: because it makes you think you're trying to sell me
Speaker 4: genes by also reminding me of these pernicious ideas that
Speaker 4: are very much circulating around the culture at the moment,
Speaker 4: and I hate that feeling of being manipulated and of
Speaker 4: having these very real emotions fear and anxiety and real
Speaker 4: sadness about what's happening to the country sort of be
Speaker 4: sold back to me in the form of genes.
Speaker 3: I will say I did think over the weekend. I
Speaker 3: never call on celebrities to comment like I understand why
Speaker 3: they don't, but I just thought I would really like
Speaker 3: Sydney Sweeney to say something.
Speaker 4: Well, she did the opposite in a sense, because what
Speaker 4: actually came out on the weekend is that she registered
Speaker 4: as a Republican in the US. Basically, when you register
Speaker 4: to vote, you can pick a party. It's very different
Speaker 4: from Australia's secret ballot sort of method, and she had
Speaker 4: picked a Republican after Trump was nominated to run as
Speaker 4: the Republican nominee a third time, which means she's very
Speaker 4: much on board with what is happening here.
Speaker 3: Skims is making shapeway for your face now and have
Speaker 3: we all seen the photos? Oh yes, what was your
Speaker 3: reaction when you first held the photos?
Speaker 2: Stylish your surgery bondage.
Speaker 4: Got it made me immediately self conscious about my under
Speaker 4: gen area.
Speaker 2: Interesting I didn't need that to make me sound conscious
Speaker 2: about I see these videos every week. Actually, can I
Speaker 2: wear I should ask Ruth can I wear one while
Speaker 2: we're recording, because that would really help things for me.
Speaker 3: And it's a little bit Handmad's tail. It also reminded
Speaker 3: me because this is the only content I consume of
Speaker 3: the Formula one drivers. The thing they were under their helmet.
Speaker 3: I'm not letting you guys talk about no more, but
Speaker 3: it's reminiscent. So what it looks like is sort of
Speaker 3: a strap that goes under your chin. And if you've
Speaker 3: ever seen someone after a facelift on you know, one
Speaker 3: of those shows, I'm sure reality shows have it all
Speaker 3: the time, where it's kind of the chin strap and
Speaker 3: it goes all the way up to their head. Luckily
Speaker 3: there's space feur ears so you can still.
Speaker 2: Hear post surgical bandage.
Speaker 3: Exactly right. It looks like a bed.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like one floor over the Corcoo's nest
Speaker 4: meets your son's rugby garb.
Speaker 3: Exactly yeah, Hannibal Lecter. So the product is marketed as
Speaker 3: and this is from the website, our first ever face
Speaker 3: innovation is here. This must have face wrap boasts our
Speaker 3: signature sculpting fabric and features collagen yarns for ultrasoft jaw support,
Speaker 3: velcro closures at the top and nape of the neck
Speaker 3: allow for easy every day where, so you can take
Speaker 3: it off and put it back on when you're out
Speaker 3: about questions.
Speaker 2: Questions easy every day where?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you're at the cafe, so you don't Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you don't get your.
Speaker 2: Things, you meant to be a wearing it while you're asleep.
Speaker 3: Well, Holly, it comes into colors because it looks very
Speaker 3: silly if you have the wrong color skims on your face,
Speaker 3: wouldn't you? And that's something that Skims has done that's
Speaker 3: really very cool, is there is diversity and they're kind
Speaker 3: of acknowledging. So they have one white model and one
Speaker 3: black model and they have kind of the skims to go. Now.
Speaker 3: The product retails for eighty eight dollars Australian. It's actually
Speaker 3: not available here yet, sorry, Amelia. But it did sell
Speaker 3: out in the US in hours, is it? Yes?
Speaker 4: And as also sell out like Megan's Jam or do
Speaker 4: we think that means it was really popular?
Speaker 3: Question? I mean, look, it absolutely was a viral sensation.
Speaker 3: A lot of it was mocking, and then a lot
Speaker 3: of it was saying, as someone who is very on
Speaker 3: TikTok this, I don't know what they call it. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like an unmasking, but I keep being served
Speaker 3: these videos of women getting up in the morning, taking
Speaker 3: off their mouth tape, taking off their heatless curls, taking
Speaker 3: off there is like a bandage. I saw a sixteen
Speaker 3: year old girl doing it. Recently, people are bandaging.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: It started with face tape and now it's like bandaging.
Speaker 3: And it's very much marketed at young women like jen
Speaker 3: Z millenniums.
Speaker 2: I don't actually have to worry about their jails.
Speaker 3: Yet to get a snatch sort of face.
Speaker 2: Two things. Yeah, So the woman behind Skims, as we know,
Speaker 2: Skims is Kim Kardashian's business, but the woman behind it
Speaker 2: really is Emigreed. While actually her and her husband Yans
Speaker 2: so we've talked about them on the show before, Emigreed
Speaker 2: has this. It's really pushing her entrepreneurial credentials at the moment.
Speaker 2: She's got a podcast that drives me a crazy, etc.
Speaker 2: And she has spoken a lot on her publicity tours
Speaker 2: recently about what makes Skims so great And what makes
Speaker 2: the Kardashian so great to work with is that they
Speaker 2: A they don't get in the way of the experts
Speaker 2: who actually know what they're doing. B. They have an
Speaker 2: amazing instinct for viral content. So who could forget the
Speaker 2: nipple bra. Right when Kim Kardashian came out and she
Speaker 2: was wearing the bra that had like built in nipples,
Speaker 2: at least two news cycles about nipples. Nipples are back,
Speaker 2: Remember some when Samantha had nipples and sex and the
Speaker 2: city way we.
Speaker 3: Would have talked about it.
Speaker 2: Why would you want one of those? Why wouldn't you
Speaker 2: want one of those? Oh blah blahlah leah, and that
Speaker 2: went on and on and on, and Emmagreed said, we
Speaker 2: sold out of those really quickly. But it was never
Speaker 2: about the nipple bra. The nipple bro was to get
Speaker 2: you the Skim's website and then buy something else we
Speaker 2: were selling, and in that case it was the baby
Speaker 2: teas that you would want your nipples to show through.
Speaker 2: I'm grabbing my boobs as I speak because I hope
Speaker 2: my nipples are not shown because who knows where they
Speaker 2: are anyway. So there's that. So one of the things
Speaker 2: of this we are being manipulated just as we are
Speaker 2: by Sidney Sweeney and everyone else to talk about it
Speaker 2: to get it moving, because everyone's like Skims Skim Skims,
Speaker 2: look at what they do. And the other piece to
Speaker 2: that that's very clever from Kim's pive is she doesn't
Speaker 2: always have to be in this narrative anymore, so unlike
Speaker 2: say a Goop, where Gwyneth still is very much if
Speaker 2: you go to Goop's website, she still is their lead model.
Speaker 2: She still is their best bet at getting you to
Speaker 2: buy a really expensive cashmere jumpers if she's wearing it.
Speaker 2: Skims have been very good strategically at jumping on other
Speaker 2: people and getting them into the campaigns, whether they're white,
Speaker 2: load of stars, whether it's a pop star, whether it's
Speaker 2: someone else, and building it beyond Kim. So every time
Speaker 2: they release something that seems strange and viral and out
Speaker 2: of this world, my immediate mintenna I go up and
Speaker 2: go what are they really trying to sell us? So
Speaker 2: there's that.
Speaker 4: I think the aesthetics of it are interesting as well,
Speaker 4: because it looks like work. I think you do sort
Speaker 4: of goes through cycles of you want to look effortless
Speaker 4: or you want to look like you're working, so to illustrate,
Speaker 4: for instance, I think in the nineties it was about
Speaker 4: you wanted to look like effortless, like Cape Moss, Like
Speaker 4: she didn't brush her hair, she didn't wear may cuts, she.
Speaker 2: Didn't go to bed. Yeah, she couldn't have worn one
Speaker 2: of these if she wanted to. And then straight from
Speaker 2: the club.
Speaker 4: Very much in tandem with the rise the Kardashians. I
Speaker 4: think now beauty we actually want to or the fashion
Speaker 4: is to telegraph how much work you've put into the
Speaker 4: way you look. So that's why contouring has been around
Speaker 4: for a few years now. Contrary is not about a
Speaker 4: natural look. It's about I spent time on this, and
Speaker 4: when I look at that face bandage, I think it's
Speaker 4: all about celebrating work, putting work into beauty. Now, whether
Speaker 4: that's a good thing or not, it's probably a bad thing,
Speaker 4: but it's designed to look a little bit utilitarian, a
Speaker 4: little bit ugly. So this is my theory.
Speaker 3: I was going deep on this and I was thinking
Speaker 3: about what you said wholly about there always trying to
Speaker 3: sell something else, and I was going, what is this about?
Speaker 3: Because what they've managed to do is, I must say,
Speaker 3: the first time I saw this image, I was horrified, confused, interested,
Speaker 3: and by the time it popped up on my feed
Speaker 3: today started to look relatively normal because of how many
Speaker 3: times I'd see the image. So we are normalizing these
Speaker 3: sort of face sculpting things.
Speaker 4: And I thought.
Speaker 3: About a few weeks ago, we were talking about the
Speaker 3: Kardashians and the transparency around cosmetic surgery, and how all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, your Chloe's, your Kylie's, your crises are
Speaker 3: saying here's what I've got done. And we were speculating,
Speaker 3: and we went, I wonder if they are getting into clinics,
Speaker 3: like I wonder if they're actually getting into procedures, because
Speaker 3: we've seen this cultural shift towards going I got a facelift,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you how much it was and who did it.
Speaker 3: If so, people are going to need one of these,
Speaker 3: Like I wonder if this is legitimately a facelift, a
Speaker 3: surgical device that is going to be I wonder if
Speaker 3: in ten years, walking around LA people are just going
Speaker 3: to be wearing these, Like if we are going to
Speaker 3: normalize the kind of postop facelift.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I reckon, yes, you go to some
Speaker 2: fancy suburbs of Sydney, and it is normalized now that
Speaker 2: people might be wearing a bandage on a certain place,
Speaker 2: or that their skin might be looking a certain way
Speaker 2: from appeal or whatever. So I don't think that's beyond
Speaker 2: the realms of possibility. Sidebar. I spoke to a women
Speaker 2: last week for mid who does a lot of cosmetic procedures,
Speaker 2: and she is furious at number of people who come
Speaker 2: in and show Chris Jenna's facelift, because she says, show
Speaker 2: me that without filters, show me that what it hasn't
Speaker 2: been through at facetine. She's like, she doesn't look like that.
Speaker 2: Nobody looks like that. Stop showing me that picture. But
Speaker 2: you could be onto that. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is surgical grade blah blah blah. But the other
Speaker 2: thing that makes me really kind of exhausted about this
Speaker 2: because a lot of women reacted with, oh my god,
Speaker 2: another thing to worry about. And as you can tell
Speaker 2: by the fact that I do this, I'm exhausted by
Speaker 2: all the things I meant to be doing when I'm
Speaker 2: asleep now, right, It used to be that sleep was rest,
Speaker 2: but now I have to monitor the quality of it.
Speaker 2: How many times did I wake up in the night.
Speaker 2: I have to cover myself in twenty five layers of
Speaker 2: stale snot I have to wear one of these I
Speaker 2: m ask mouth tape. I have to do all these
Speaker 2: things while I'm asleep, and no wonder nobody's sleeping. It's
Speaker 2: not very RESTful.
Speaker 4: It was interesting because there was an article in the
Speaker 4: Sitney Morning Herald today about the return of the idea
Speaker 4: of sleeping on very thin, rollable mattresses, as the Japanese
Speaker 4: have done for centuries. So enough with the sort of
Speaker 4: optimized fluffy mattresses and perfect pillows. Just just roll out
Speaker 4: your little thin cotton mat and then you roll it
Speaker 4: up at the end of the night when you're done sleeping.
Speaker 4: And there's a sense of people wanting to return to basics. Now.
Speaker 4: The question was is this better than sleeping on a
Speaker 4: full blow or mattress, and they interviewed a number of
Speaker 4: experts who basically emoji shrugged. The truth is we still
Speaker 4: don't know so many things about sleep. We know that
Speaker 4: it's good to get it, we don't understand a lot
Speaker 4: about how it works or how to optimize it. That's
Speaker 4: because we only ever study sleep problems and not how
Speaker 4: to get better sleep, And so I wonder if part
Speaker 4: of this is that it opens the door to the
Speaker 4: snake oil salesman like him and like Skims, to say
Speaker 4: this is going to give you better sleep.
Speaker 3: I was doing some research on this too, and there
Speaker 3: are images from magazines in the nineteen twenties of women
Speaker 3: wearing these. The idea that you would wear like a
Speaker 3: bandage or tape is actually quite old. It's not entirely new.
Speaker 3: I just think that the proliferation of it has been
Speaker 3: aided by social media, which is pretty eye catching. Did
Speaker 3: we also see the Anthony Hopkins, who obviously played Hannibal
Speaker 3: Lecter in Silence of Lambs what he put on so
Speaker 3: media wearing it?
Speaker 4: I have to ask does he have a robust social
Speaker 4: media presence or is this.
Speaker 2: Like me he jumps on every now and again and
Speaker 2: takes the mooky out of things.
Speaker 3: Yep, here's what he said, Hello, Kim, I'm already fiving
Speaker 3: ten years younger.
Speaker 2: Good bye.
Speaker 3: My question when I saw that was is it organical paid?
Speaker 3: Because you should say if explicitly say if it's paid.
Speaker 3: But Dan that contributed to kind of a very big mind.
Speaker 4: Surely the timing of it made me think it had
Speaker 4: to be paid a.
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