WEBVTT - An Urgent Theory About That Skims Face… Thing 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.342 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:22.302 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:22.342 --> 0:00:25.222 Mama Mia. Out loud. What women are actually talking about 0:00:25.222 --> 0:00:26.821 on Monday, the fourth of August. 0:00:26.862 --> 0:00:30.502 I'm Holly Waynwright, I am Jesse Stevens, and I'm Amelia Lester. 0:00:30.902 --> 0:00:33.422 In case you missed it, our MEA's on long service leave, 0:00:33.502 --> 0:00:35.262 and so Amelia Lester is here. 0:00:35.502 --> 0:00:38.022 So Maya has been on the show for ten years. 0:00:38.342 --> 0:00:41.342 Apparently that entitles her to long service sleep. I will say, 0:00:41.462 --> 0:00:42.862 how long you've been at the company, Holly. 0:00:44.302 --> 0:00:46.182 Don't try and get rid of me that easily. 0:00:46.902 --> 0:00:48.782 I've been at the company for ten years and I'm 0:00:48.822 --> 0:00:50.582 starting to bang my I think we should go to 0:00:50.582 --> 0:00:52.302 produce a roof and say there's a few more of 0:00:52.422 --> 0:00:55.022 us who are entitled to some late I will say, 0:00:55.262 --> 0:00:56.222 well at. 0:00:56.022 --> 0:00:59.262 The door, exactly after her, No, I'm staying here. You'll 0:00:59.302 --> 0:01:03.622 have to one gloom me from my seat. On today's show, are. 0:01:03.502 --> 0:01:06.782 We in a toxic relationship with Carrie Bradshaw? I asked 0:01:06.822 --> 0:01:09.902 this important question as ands like that comes to end. 0:01:10.182 --> 0:01:13.542 Prince Harry Fretn's legal action over a story that he 0:01:13.622 --> 0:01:16.902 should definitely just have led us all believe because it 0:01:16.942 --> 0:01:18.022 made him look really good. 0:01:18.382 --> 0:01:21.862 And the latest shapewear for your face. Sometimes when I'm prepping, 0:01:22.422 --> 0:01:25.182 I come across a theory that is so brilliant and 0:01:25.222 --> 0:01:26.982 explosive that I think I can't wait to tell you 0:01:27.062 --> 0:01:29.862 both and I have cracked why this has gone viral 0:01:29.942 --> 0:01:33.462 and what the aim here is, what the marketing ployer is. 0:01:33.502 --> 0:01:36.382 I can't wait to tell you, But first images of 0:01:36.422 --> 0:01:39.862 tens of thousands of Sydney Siders marching across the Harbor 0:01:39.902 --> 0:01:44.262 Bridge have gone global after a historic pro Palestine demonstration 0:01:44.422 --> 0:01:48.542 over the weekend. High profile figures like Julian Assang, Craig Foster, 0:01:48.822 --> 0:01:53.222 Bob Carr and Antoinette Latoufe all attended, along with politicians Labor, 0:01:53.222 --> 0:01:57.742 Federal MP Ed Husick and Green Senator Maureen Ferruki. In 0:01:57.862 --> 0:02:01.822 terms of how many people attended the protest, estimates range 0:02:01.822 --> 0:02:05.382 from ninety thousand to three hundred thousand, and The Guardian 0:02:05.422 --> 0:02:08.342 has called it one of the biggest protests in Sydney's history. 0:02:08.462 --> 0:02:10.541 What were the stated of the protest? 0:02:10.662 --> 0:02:13.141 So it was organized by a group called the Palestine 0:02:13.222 --> 0:02:17.462 Action Group and The march was called March for Humanity. 0:02:17.542 --> 0:02:21.262 It was specifically addressing the deliberate starvation of Gazans. They 0:02:21.262 --> 0:02:25.422 said on their website. There's obviously enormous symbolism with the Hubberbridge, 0:02:25.582 --> 0:02:28.422 and Melbourne actually had its own protest as well. But 0:02:28.502 --> 0:02:30.901 I think the reason that these images went so global 0:02:30.982 --> 0:02:34.022 was because of the iconography of the Harbour Bridge, the 0:02:34.102 --> 0:02:37.822 power and Holly. What is the sort of state of 0:02:37.822 --> 0:02:40.702 things in Australia Because Albanezi obviously saw this protest and 0:02:40.742 --> 0:02:44.462 there's been news out today about AID and Australia's commitment. 0:02:44.982 --> 0:02:47.782 Yeah, so Alba wasn't there and nor was Chrismins the 0:02:47.822 --> 0:02:49.462 New South Wales premiere, and there was a bit of 0:02:49.742 --> 0:02:53.102 argument and descent there because I think Chrismins asked his 0:02:53.181 --> 0:02:55.662 ministers not to go and some of them did, but 0:02:55.742 --> 0:03:01.061 broadly speaking it was recognized as being a big people push. 0:03:01.302 --> 0:03:05.022 So after the march, Albanezi announced an extra twenty million 0:03:05.142 --> 0:03:09.142 in AID to humanitarian agencies in Gaza. Since the October 0:03:09.142 --> 0:03:12.422 seventh tax, the Australian government has committed over one hundred 0:03:12.462 --> 0:03:16.942 and thirty million to humanitarian assistance of civilians there. Now 0:03:17.022 --> 0:03:21.062 that money goes to different organizations, but their agencies like 0:03:21.142 --> 0:03:25.061 the UN World Food Program, UNICEF, the International Committee of 0:03:25.062 --> 0:03:27.502 the Red Cross, and to bodies who are operating with 0:03:27.622 --> 0:03:30.302 other countries through established trade routes to try and get 0:03:30.302 --> 0:03:33.982 the aid through. Albanese has also dialed up his rhetoric 0:03:34.022 --> 0:03:36.782 a little bit. Today he's announced that he's trying to 0:03:36.822 --> 0:03:38.902 get a call well it hasn't announced it, but it's 0:03:38.942 --> 0:03:40.862 been widely reported that he's trying to get a call 0:03:40.942 --> 0:03:44.102 with Netanya Who this week. Last week he said, we 0:03:44.222 --> 0:03:47.942 have a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding there and Australia is willing 0:03:47.942 --> 0:03:50.582 to play our part. That is indeed something that is 0:03:50.582 --> 0:03:53.102 bringing I think legitimate criticism of the actions of the 0:03:53.182 --> 0:03:56.542 netinnja Who government. Too many innocent lives have been lost. 0:03:56.822 --> 0:04:00.222 This is all building speculation that maybe Albanzi will be 0:04:00.262 --> 0:04:02.982 following the lead of some other countries like the UK, 0:04:03.142 --> 0:04:06.942 Canada and France in moving to recognize Palestine as a state. 0:04:07.342 --> 0:04:11.502 It's actually been Labor Party policy since twenty eighteen to 0:04:11.622 --> 0:04:14.662 recognize Palestine as a state, and now it's being reported 0:04:14.662 --> 0:04:16.902 it's much more of a question of not if, but when. 0:04:17.502 --> 0:04:20.501 But the coalition meanwhile say that any recognition could only 0:04:20.541 --> 0:04:23.702 come after a sustained period of peace, the return of 0:04:23.741 --> 0:04:26.942 the remaining hostages, And it has to be said, there 0:04:26.981 --> 0:04:30.302 was harrowing footage released this weekend of two of those 0:04:30.342 --> 0:04:35.902 hostages looking emaciated. It was very distressing and the demilitization 0:04:36.142 --> 0:04:40.262 of Hamas Amelia. What difference will it make for Palestine 0:04:40.262 --> 0:04:41.942 to be recognized in this way. 0:04:42.301 --> 0:04:44.741 Yeah, so while it won't make much of a practical difference, 0:04:44.741 --> 0:04:46.861 certainly not in the short term. I think it is 0:04:46.981 --> 0:04:50.301 aimed at getting Ntnyahu back to the negotiating table and 0:04:50.301 --> 0:04:52.782 getting the US back to the negotiating table too. And 0:04:52.821 --> 0:04:55.702 there are still lots of open questions like what territory 0:04:56.061 --> 0:04:58.621 these countries such as France and Britain and Canada, as 0:04:58.662 --> 0:05:02.382 you mentioned, what territory are they recognizing as Palestinian and 0:05:02.462 --> 0:05:04.981 also who's going to govern Gaza. These are open questions. 0:05:04.981 --> 0:05:07.661 But nonetheless, the fact that these world leaders are doing 0:05:07.702 --> 0:05:11.181 this and are recognizing Palestine, I think indicates that there's 0:05:11.222 --> 0:05:13.421 been an international tipping point on this issue in the 0:05:13.462 --> 0:05:16.022 last couple of weeks, and I think it's clear that 0:05:16.022 --> 0:05:18.702 that's been occasioned by the images of famine coming out 0:05:18.741 --> 0:05:21.462 of Gaza. In fact, both French President Macron and British 0:05:21.421 --> 0:05:25.022 Prime Minister Stama both mentioned those images when they announced 0:05:25.022 --> 0:05:28.222 that they would be recognizing a state of Palestine. And 0:05:28.662 --> 0:05:31.701 it's interesting that the very day that President Macran made 0:05:31.741 --> 0:05:34.621 this announcement, the United States and Israel, who were still 0:05:34.702 --> 0:05:38.061 very much in tandem, walked away from peace talks, from 0:05:38.101 --> 0:05:41.501 ceesfire talks and Katar Netanna who accused her mass of 0:05:41.501 --> 0:05:44.061 not acting in good faith. But nonetheless, the ceasefire talks 0:05:44.061 --> 0:05:46.021 have been stalled for a long time. And now the 0:05:46.061 --> 0:05:49.222 fact that world leaders are pressuring net Nonya, who might 0:05:49.381 --> 0:05:51.662 mean that the parties are more willing to come to 0:05:51.702 --> 0:05:54.222 the table and find some common ground and end this war. 0:05:54.621 --> 0:05:57.981 As always, for more on this story, please listen to 0:05:58.022 --> 0:06:02.502 our twice daily news podcast, The Quickie Changing Pace. The 0:06:02.541 --> 0:06:05.782 Logis happened last night. I know this is a characteristically 0:06:05.821 --> 0:06:09.222 holly thing to bring. I would like to talk about 0:06:09.262 --> 0:06:11.821 the love. You know what we don't usually see at 0:06:11.821 --> 0:06:14.661 the logis. We usually don't see an A list star 0:06:14.902 --> 0:06:19.101 actively campaigning to not win the Gold Logi, which remains 0:06:19.181 --> 0:06:21.301 even in this and we could talk for ages about 0:06:21.301 --> 0:06:24.822 the fragmented era of television and how freedom are is 0:06:24.861 --> 0:06:27.262 dead and blah blah blah, but people still like the logis. 0:06:27.662 --> 0:06:29.981 People click on the logis on Mamma Mia and other 0:06:30.022 --> 0:06:32.902 news sites. They want to see whether or not indeed 0:06:32.981 --> 0:06:35.061 Hamish Blake was going to win. And that was this 0:06:35.181 --> 0:06:39.061 year's conundrum because he was the sole man nominated for 0:06:39.101 --> 0:06:42.541 a gold among there were five women, and Hamish, has 0:06:42.582 --> 0:06:45.541 that ever happened before. It has never happened before, and 0:06:45.582 --> 0:06:48.742 it's usually a real sausage fest, the whole Gold Logi situation. 0:06:49.262 --> 0:06:53.541 The other nominees were Ali Langdon, Julia Morris, Lisa Miller, 0:06:53.941 --> 0:06:58.462 Poling yow Sonya Krueger, and Lynn McGranger. This is what 0:06:58.541 --> 0:07:00.941 Hamish had to say when he got up earlier in 0:07:00.981 --> 0:07:03.621 the show before the Gold Logi was announced to present 0:07:03.702 --> 0:07:05.582 some award with Sophie Monk. He had to say this, 0:07:05.902 --> 0:07:07.662 we have to address the elephant in the room. 0:07:07.821 --> 0:07:10.902 Yep, yes, no, yeah, You're. 0:07:10.782 --> 0:07:13.381 Up for the Gold Loggi along with six other women, 0:07:13.462 --> 0:07:15.462 and it just would have been like this beautiful moment 0:07:15.542 --> 0:07:16.062 to have all. 0:07:15.941 --> 0:07:20.222 Women I know, I know, and then you're just like 0:07:20.302 --> 0:07:20.581 kind of. 0:07:20.582 --> 0:07:25.141 There, yeah, yeah, I'm sort of like the drunk uncle 0:07:25.182 --> 0:07:29.381 in the bridesmaid's photo, just thinking he's a legend. Yeah, 0:07:29.462 --> 0:07:29.821 do you reckon? 0:07:29.862 --> 0:07:30.862 It's a good look if you win. 0:07:31.342 --> 0:07:35.982 No. No, I don't what a unique position to be 0:07:36.062 --> 0:07:41.342 in to fear the win, because I mean, unless I'm 0:07:41.381 --> 0:07:44.502 reading the room wrong, I just don't know if anyone's like, 0:07:45.062 --> 0:07:47.262 let's hear it from middle aged white guys, be awesome 0:07:47.742 --> 0:07:50.302 to see you crash through the pack. Yep, well there's 0:07:50.302 --> 0:07:52.342 what she's thank you, seat filler. 0:07:53.582 --> 0:07:56.141 He just can't help himself but be adorable. Never wait, anyway, 0:07:56.182 --> 0:07:58.582 I buried the lead because he didn't need to worry. 0:07:58.622 --> 0:08:01.702 He did not win. Lynn McGranger one, she has been 0:08:01.702 --> 0:08:04.302 on Home and Away for thirty three years and she's 0:08:04.342 --> 0:08:07.262 retiring this year, and Sampang made a whole joke about 0:08:07.262 --> 0:08:10.261 how no one knows how she's gonna let's just say die, 0:08:10.381 --> 0:08:12.461 because she might not die, she might exit, but he 0:08:12.502 --> 0:08:14.422 said maybe it will be in a or do you 0:08:14.542 --> 0:08:23.222 mean die on the show is and everyone's assuming the 0:08:23.222 --> 0:08:24.782 way she's going to get written out will be some 0:08:24.982 --> 0:08:26.342 like cataclysmic event. 0:08:26.462 --> 0:08:26.662 Better. 0:08:26.902 --> 0:08:29.261 Pang made a gag about how it should be during 0:08:29.262 --> 0:08:31.302 an orgie with the under twenty one of a PI 0:08:31.422 --> 0:08:33.902 League team, but it probably won't be anyway, she won 0:08:33.942 --> 0:08:34.382 the Gold. 0:08:34.782 --> 0:08:38.622 I love what Lynn said in her speech about how 0:08:38.982 --> 0:08:43.222 that show has employed writers and actors for that many years, 0:08:43.422 --> 0:08:45.822 especially at a time when it's you know, really fickle. 0:08:45.862 --> 0:08:47.742 It's really difficult for people to get work, and the 0:08:47.742 --> 0:08:51.222 best TV writers that I've met work on that show 0:08:51.342 --> 0:08:53.942 and write brilliant scripts and it pays the bills, and 0:08:54.062 --> 0:08:56.142 like that's you know, whether you want to kind of 0:08:56.142 --> 0:08:58.022 make fun of the show for being a soap, like 0:08:58.102 --> 0:09:01.702 it's been such a staple of Australian television. But on Hamish, 0:09:01.742 --> 0:09:04.102 I just from the moment he got nominated, he said, 0:09:04.302 --> 0:09:06.542 made the best woman win. He did not want that 0:09:06.782 --> 0:09:09.862 award to be someone who has won enough awards, because 0:09:09.862 --> 0:09:11.982 he's won the Gold Logi twice, all right, so he 0:09:12.142 --> 0:09:15.102 just always gets nominated. Yeah, and he won another one 0:09:15.182 --> 0:09:17.022 for all the time. 0:09:17.102 --> 0:09:20.782 Although very exciting for me because I know that maybe 0:09:20.782 --> 0:09:23.262 this says something really tragic about the demographic that I'm in. 0:09:23.862 --> 0:09:25.502 But a lot of my favorites got up at the 0:09:25.502 --> 0:09:28.582 Logis last night. Muster Dogs, Hello, can you love that show? Beat, 0:09:28.662 --> 0:09:31.182 Lego Master's Beat, all the things. Lisa Miller was up there. 0:09:31.222 --> 0:09:33.862 She was nearly crying. It was a glorious moment for 0:09:33.942 --> 0:09:36.422 little doggies all over the nation. Their little paws were 0:09:36.422 --> 0:09:38.902 clapping together, and they were going out and rounding up 0:09:38.942 --> 0:09:41.102 extra sheep to show them their LOGI it was a 0:09:41.142 --> 0:09:41.622 big deal. 0:09:41.702 --> 0:09:42.862 I hope they got a bonus. 0:09:43.022 --> 0:09:44.102 A bonus. 0:09:44.222 --> 0:09:46.222 Oh my god, I didn't even think of that. That 0:09:46.302 --> 0:09:47.342 was my hate PNS. 0:09:47.382 --> 0:09:47.982 I'm so sorry. 0:09:48.102 --> 0:09:51.822 Please cuttings day. 0:09:51.742 --> 0:09:57.022 Excited about Fisk Awards and Kitty Flannagan was fabulous every 0:09:57.022 --> 0:10:00.742 time she got up. And my mate Guy Montgomery from 0:10:00.742 --> 0:10:03.222 guymont Spelling be got Best New Talent, which is kind 0:10:03.262 --> 0:10:05.462 of funny because I think he's at least thirty five. 0:10:05.982 --> 0:10:08.902 I have a brief fashion note. Hamish didn't win, but 0:10:09.182 --> 0:10:11.502 I love to his wife's dress. Soory Foster Blake's dress. 0:10:11.582 --> 0:10:13.622 I thought it was exceptional, conceptual. 0:10:14.102 --> 0:10:16.022 Yeah, and I also loved that she was like, just 0:10:16.062 --> 0:10:18.102 to be clear, I also don't want Hamish to win, like, 0:10:18.142 --> 0:10:20.182 I don't want him anywhere near that award. And also 0:10:20.222 --> 0:10:22.102 a shout out to Bluey most watch show in the 0:10:22.222 --> 0:10:22.742 entire world. 0:10:23.502 --> 0:10:26.662 Sometime was very funny. He made some great gags and 0:10:26.702 --> 0:10:29.062 we'll be unpacking the logis in a bit more detail 0:10:29.222 --> 0:10:32.502 on an episode for subscribers tomorrow. But he made the 0:10:32.582 --> 0:10:35.142 edgiest joke of the night about Blue that I think 0:10:35.142 --> 0:10:37.462 made the room go because he said it's the most 0:10:37.662 --> 0:10:41.582 streamed children's show in America after an instructional video about 0:10:41.582 --> 0:10:42.422 school shootings. 0:10:42.502 --> 0:10:43.462 He's probably not wrong. 0:10:43.542 --> 0:10:45.142 I think that's actually quite a good joke. 0:10:46.262 --> 0:10:48.662 Just like that couple you know who are forever breaking 0:10:48.742 --> 0:10:52.262 up and getting back together again, the Carrie Bradshaw story 0:10:52.342 --> 0:10:55.502 we're told is ending, but for real, this time for real. 0:10:55.822 --> 0:10:58.902 In a statement released on Friday, the showrunner of the show, 0:10:59.022 --> 0:11:02.142 Michael Patrick King, shared that the Sex and the City 0:11:02.302 --> 0:11:05.902 universe would be ending with the third season of unjust 0:11:06.062 --> 0:11:08.982 like that, which means we just have two episodes left 0:11:09.022 --> 0:11:13.222 to so all of our Carrie needs. In what may 0:11:13.302 --> 0:11:15.342 or may not have been a coded message, Kim Katrell, 0:11:15.462 --> 0:11:18.381 who played Samantha in the original series and famously sat 0:11:18.462 --> 0:11:20.542 out and just like that, posted a picture of a 0:11:20.582 --> 0:11:23.182 sunset on Friday night with the caption it's been a 0:11:23.302 --> 0:11:26.062 very long week. 0:11:26.822 --> 0:11:28.742 You know what I noticed. I'm sure we're going to 0:11:28.782 --> 0:11:31.822 talk about what SJP posted this long tribute. But Kim 0:11:31.902 --> 0:11:34.102 Cattrell featured in a lot of the imagery in that 0:11:34.102 --> 0:11:35.702 that she posted was nice. 0:11:35.782 --> 0:11:39.102 Okay, Okay, I feel like you want to believe that 0:11:39.222 --> 0:11:42.302 Sarah Jessica Parker is reaching out to came in that. 0:11:42.382 --> 0:11:44.382 I also noticed I was interested in whether she was 0:11:44.422 --> 0:11:47.542 depicting Chris Noth at all big in the montage, and 0:11:47.582 --> 0:11:48.502 he made it in twice. 0:11:48.622 --> 0:11:49.062 Yeah. 0:11:49.382 --> 0:11:51.782 Over the weekend, though, my group chats really lit up, 0:11:51.822 --> 0:11:54.662 not with Michael Patrick King's announcement, but with Sarah Jessica 0:11:54.702 --> 0:11:57.382 Parker's follow up to it. It was a somewhat self 0:11:57.382 --> 0:12:00.342 indulgent spoken word poem. I'm just going to call it 0:12:00.662 --> 0:12:04.262 set to a montage of highly flattering picks of Carrie. 0:12:04.462 --> 0:12:06.022 Let's just hear a little bit of it now. 0:12:06.462 --> 0:12:15.382 She crossed streets, avenues, rubercuns, so it seemed she broke hearts, heels, habits, 0:12:16.742 --> 0:12:21.462 she loved, lost one, tripped. 0:12:21.622 --> 0:12:22.422 Tripped, tripped. 0:12:23.062 --> 0:12:26.102 See that wasn't That wasn't Sarah Jessica Parker who wrote 0:12:26.142 --> 0:12:28.342 that or said that that was Carrie? Like that was 0:12:28.422 --> 0:12:29.142 so encaraged. 0:12:29.182 --> 0:12:32.422 Okay, that's exactly the problem that I want to talk about, Jesse. 0:12:32.622 --> 0:12:34.582 But before we get to that, I would be remiss 0:12:34.582 --> 0:12:36.622 if I did not mention the online chatter, you know 0:12:36.702 --> 0:12:39.462 the stuff I'm talking about, Holly, about whether the show 0:12:39.582 --> 0:12:42.782 was jumped or whether it pushed. Basically, did HBO Max 0:12:42.822 --> 0:12:45.422 cancel the show or did in fact Michael Patrick King 0:12:45.422 --> 0:12:48.022 and Sarah Jessica Parker just come to this conclusion as 0:12:48.062 --> 0:12:50.862 they were working on the final episodes of this season. 0:12:51.222 --> 0:12:53.862 We'll never know the answer to that, but let's face it, 0:12:53.862 --> 0:12:58.422 the show was horrible. Spoiler, This show was horrible and 0:12:58.582 --> 0:13:02.902 I loved it. But Holly, I think we're in a 0:13:02.982 --> 0:13:07.222 toxic relationship with Carrie. I couldn't help but wonder why 0:13:07.422 --> 0:13:10.862 we are engaged in the humiliation rich of watching these women. 0:13:12.382 --> 0:13:15.662 Look, I was very upset about this. I was very 0:13:15.702 --> 0:13:18.182 upset about it. I woke up very early on Saturday 0:13:18.182 --> 0:13:20.022 morning for reasons we don't need to go into. I 0:13:20.022 --> 0:13:22.382 looked at my phone and I saw this, and then 0:13:22.422 --> 0:13:24.982 I saw sgp's announcement. That's where i'mkay. I was like, 0:13:25.222 --> 0:13:33.582 surely not, surely not, not that high quality, low budget show. 0:13:35.262 --> 0:13:37.862 I can't be getting rid of that now. I genuinely 0:13:37.862 --> 0:13:41.262 was upset, because you're right, it's a very typically smart 0:13:41.302 --> 0:13:43.142 and meliately less a point to make that we were 0:13:43.142 --> 0:13:46.502 in a toxic relationship with Carrie. I definitely am because 0:13:46.942 --> 0:13:49.182 the thing that made me really sad about it. I'm 0:13:49.222 --> 0:13:51.142 not going to argue that, and just like that is 0:13:51.182 --> 0:13:54.542 brilliant prestige TV. It isn't, but it is certainly no 0:13:54.662 --> 0:13:57.382 worse than a lot of stuff that I feel Netflix 0:13:57.462 --> 0:14:01.862 every day. But I on the ending of this universe 0:14:02.302 --> 0:14:04.422 is worth noting to me because I think that for 0:14:04.462 --> 0:14:07.502 a generation of women, she is the fictional character I've 0:14:07.502 --> 0:14:10.702 spent more time with than any other fiction character in 0:14:10.742 --> 0:14:13.662 the world. If you think about all six seasons of 0:14:13.702 --> 0:14:15.742 the TV show, which let's face it, I've watched more 0:14:15.782 --> 0:14:16.222 than once. 0:14:16.902 --> 0:14:19.662 The movie recommended season six to me, and it was 0:14:19.702 --> 0:14:21.782 a brilliant He's of television perfection. 0:14:21.942 --> 0:14:25.262 That show was perfection the movies. That's where the rot 0:14:25.262 --> 0:14:28.222 said in let's be honest, because when the movie's kicked in, 0:14:28.302 --> 0:14:31.902 that's where Michael Patrick King, who look us inside as 0:14:31.902 --> 0:14:36.222 we call him MPK, that's where MBK decided that we 0:14:36.262 --> 0:14:39.302 needed slapstick in our lives. Remember who could forget like 0:14:39.462 --> 0:14:43.742 Charlotte shitting herself on Holiday Mexico. Like he suddenly decided 0:14:43.822 --> 0:14:45.862 and I've heard him talk on the podcast that. Of course, 0:14:45.902 --> 0:14:49.302 I also listened to every episode of his favorite thing 0:14:49.302 --> 0:14:52.262 about the actors is that they can clown, and I say, 0:14:52.462 --> 0:14:56.702 no clown clowning. The original show was not like that. 0:14:56.822 --> 0:14:59.662 It was not very slapsticky. It had its moments, but anyway, 0:15:00.342 --> 0:15:03.422 I love being with these women. So even though the 0:15:03.462 --> 0:15:06.182 show is not amazing, I'm speaking for the people like 0:15:06.262 --> 0:15:09.182 me who sit and refresh on a Friday for the 0:15:09.222 --> 0:15:12.102 show pop up, and then I indulge in it in 0:15:12.142 --> 0:15:16.542 a nostalgic escapism that probably isn't this similar to all 0:15:16.582 --> 0:15:18.782 the middle aged dudes who are buying their Oasis tickets 0:15:18.862 --> 0:15:21.662 right They know these guys are past their prime. They 0:15:21.742 --> 0:15:23.542 know the songs aren't gonna sound the same as they 0:15:23.582 --> 0:15:26.422 did in nineteen ninety four, but this was their youth. 0:15:26.622 --> 0:15:29.222 These are their people. I want to know what happens 0:15:29.222 --> 0:15:29.582 to them. 0:15:29.942 --> 0:15:33.622 Okay, I agree with all of that, but they have 0:15:33.742 --> 0:15:37.422 destroyed the legacy of the show. I love these women 0:15:37.542 --> 0:15:39.782 just as much as you love these women. I want 0:15:39.822 --> 0:15:42.622 to make that clear. But what Sarah, Jessica Parker and 0:15:42.862 --> 0:15:46.062 MPK did with this was let their vanity and let 0:15:46.102 --> 0:15:48.382 money get in the way of what that show meant 0:15:48.382 --> 0:15:51.182 to so many people. I had to unlearn these characters. 0:15:51.342 --> 0:15:53.582 Miranda is all of a sudden a wallflower who was 0:15:53.622 --> 0:15:57.902 incapable of confrontation. Miranda suddenly, Carrie is a sex colonist. 0:15:57.902 --> 0:16:01.222 You can't say the word vagina, and I don't even 0:16:01.462 --> 0:16:04.342 know what to say about Charlotte and can't myriad facial 0:16:04.382 --> 0:16:07.022 expressions and her kind of like tad wife Upper east 0:16:07.062 --> 0:16:09.542 Side existence. That's not what she waste. 0:16:09.702 --> 0:16:12.862 Was always that she chased this, I thought, okay as 0:16:12.902 --> 0:16:17.062 an art. When I saw the memes, I went, oh, 0:16:17.142 --> 0:16:19.982 Carrie died, like because I didn't see any of that. 0:16:20.102 --> 0:16:24.222 I don't follow m j K mp K. Honestly, I 0:16:24.262 --> 0:16:25.782 thought she died, and I was like, Oh, that's sad. 0:16:26.022 --> 0:16:29.062 I wonder how it happened. But then I went, this 0:16:29.142 --> 0:16:33.422 is the show that cried finale, right because it cried 0:16:33.462 --> 0:16:37.702 finale after what two thousand and four. I think when 0:16:37.742 --> 0:16:40.702 the original show season six, I thought, we said bye. 0:16:41.062 --> 0:16:42.622 I hate it when people want me to say by 0:16:42.982 --> 0:16:48.422 multiple times. It annoys me emotionally. Yes, that happened. Then 0:16:48.462 --> 0:16:51.422 we watched two films. Bye the film, and then it 0:16:51.462 --> 0:16:53.942 came back. I guarantee that there is going to be 0:16:54.542 --> 0:16:56.422 some other iteration, they're going to try and give us 0:16:56.422 --> 0:16:58.222 a novel or a podcast or something. But when that 0:16:58.622 --> 0:17:01.302 Lisa Todd Wexley's dad died for the second time, I 0:17:01.382 --> 0:17:02.662 went come on. 0:17:02.622 --> 0:17:05.862 With her stepdad. I have a theory, which is I 0:17:05.902 --> 0:17:08.542 think that what went wrong is that these three lead 0:17:08.662 --> 0:17:12.382 actors just wanted to play themselves, and that's what went 0:17:12.422 --> 0:17:14.182 wrong with I disagree. 0:17:14.381 --> 0:17:18.941 I have a sneaking suspicion that Cynthia Nixon in particular 0:17:19.381 --> 0:17:25.221 is as horrified as anybody about particularly that karaoke scene 0:17:25.742 --> 0:17:29.142 in this most recent series, because that's not who Cynthia 0:17:29.222 --> 0:17:31.861 Nixon is. I think blaming the women is wrong. 0:17:31.942 --> 0:17:35.661 I have receipts. Cynthia Nixon posted a montage on Instagram. 0:17:35.742 --> 0:17:37.742 You know how she didn't post in it. He's a 0:17:37.821 --> 0:17:40.821 math so clearly she's as caught up in all of 0:17:40.821 --> 0:17:43.061 the internal drama as Sarah Jessica Parker. 0:17:43.182 --> 0:17:44.901 But I don't think that's got anything to do with 0:17:44.942 --> 0:17:48.302 the characterization. I think for those actors, you would be 0:17:48.302 --> 0:17:50.701 crazy to turn it down. When MPK comes knocking with 0:17:50.742 --> 0:17:52.982 the big bucks, right, you would be crazy to turn 0:17:53.022 --> 0:17:55.341 it down. And I agree with you that the show's 0:17:55.381 --> 0:17:57.821 bed come overblown One of the things I learned listening 0:17:57.821 --> 0:18:01.061 to that podcast is the amount of money that they spend. 0:18:01.341 --> 0:18:03.302 There is a puppet in the most recent episode that 0:18:03.341 --> 0:18:06.861 apparently they had to audition six different propertiers for, you know, 0:18:06.942 --> 0:18:09.542 let's not even get into carry shoes. So I think 0:18:09.661 --> 0:18:12.182 it's overblown. I think it's out of time. We don't 0:18:12.182 --> 0:18:13.661 want to spend that much money on these kind of 0:18:13.702 --> 0:18:16.341 shows anymore. And I get all that, but I for one, 0:18:16.381 --> 0:18:18.341 will be very sad to not be hanging out with 0:18:18.381 --> 0:18:21.222 Carrie in that bloody beautiful house anymore. 0:18:21.581 --> 0:18:24.061 Do you think that Sarah Jessica Parker is embarrassed by 0:18:24.061 --> 0:18:26.262 what Escha mazzl This has turned into. 0:18:26.262 --> 0:18:28.381 Well, we all know because when she was on Howard 0:18:28.462 --> 0:18:31.302 Stern and she expressed surprise about the aid and licking 0:18:31.302 --> 0:18:34.022 his hands seat she doesn't watch it that she doesn't 0:18:34.061 --> 0:18:37.581 watch it, and like SJP, I think understands very much 0:18:37.621 --> 0:18:40.181 the importance of carrying the culture. But she's a Booker 0:18:40.222 --> 0:18:43.622 Prize judge like she's I think in her personal life 0:18:43.661 --> 0:18:47.101 she's an intellectual, right, she is probably not following every 0:18:47.101 --> 0:18:49.341 episode of it just like that. So maybe it just 0:18:49.462 --> 0:18:51.702 rather than your theory that they became who they are. 0:18:51.861 --> 0:18:54.182 I think it's probably become too far from who they are. 0:18:54.581 --> 0:18:57.901 I have another more pressing question about this segment, Holly, 0:18:57.982 --> 0:19:01.302 you said earlier that you work up really early on Saturday. 0:19:01.422 --> 0:19:04.782 Why because my daughter has a job in a bakery. 0:19:04.901 --> 0:19:07.062 She has to be there at six on the weekends. 0:19:07.381 --> 0:19:08.262 You have to drive her. 0:19:08.341 --> 0:19:09.782 I have to drive her minutes. 0:19:09.821 --> 0:19:11.262 Why don't you go back to bed when you got home? 0:19:11.422 --> 0:19:13.421 Well, look I did, but then I was in SJP. 0:19:15.462 --> 0:19:18.542 He ruined my morning. In a minute. I've got a 0:19:18.621 --> 0:19:21.341 scorelous royal round up for you. It's been a while 0:19:24.661 --> 0:19:28.581 in some confusing and disturbing royal news. Prince Harry has 0:19:28.581 --> 0:19:32.182 publicly distanced himself from the one rumor that he probably 0:19:32.182 --> 0:19:35.782 should have let live. That he once punched Prince Andrew 0:19:35.942 --> 0:19:36.542 in the face. 0:19:36.861 --> 0:19:39.061 Was the opposite of defamation, Yes. 0:19:38.821 --> 0:19:44.982 Exactly, this was burnishing his questionable character and yet too 0:19:45.302 --> 0:19:47.902 rich today from Harry to the Mail about this, let 0:19:47.901 --> 0:19:51.061 me explain. There's a new book out about Andrew and 0:19:51.101 --> 0:19:53.182 his family. Well, it's not actually out yet, it's about 0:19:53.222 --> 0:19:55.022 to be out, but excerts have started being published in 0:19:55.101 --> 0:19:58.782 the UK press. It's called entitled The Rise and Fall 0:19:58.861 --> 0:20:01.902 of the House of York, and as the title might suggest, 0:20:02.542 --> 0:20:06.342