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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia. Out loud. What women are actually talking about

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Speaker 2: on Monday, the fourth of August.

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Speaker 3: I'm Holly Waynwright, I am Jesse Stevens, and I'm Amelia Lester.

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Speaker 2: In case you missed it, our MEA's on long service leave,

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Speaker 2: and so Amelia Lester is here.

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Speaker 3: So Maya has been on the show for ten years.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that entitles her to long service sleep. I will say,

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Speaker 3: how long you've been at the company, Holly.

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Speaker 2: Don't try and get rid of me that easily.

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Speaker 3: I've been at the company for ten years and I'm

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Speaker 3: starting to bang my I think we should go to

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Speaker 3: produce a roof and say there's a few more of

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Speaker 3: us who are entitled to some late I will say,

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Speaker 3: well at.

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Speaker 2: The door, exactly after her, No, I'm staying here. You'll

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Speaker 2: have to one gloom me from my seat. On today's show, are.

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Speaker 4: We in a toxic relationship with Carrie Bradshaw? I asked

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Speaker 4: this important question as ands like that comes to end.

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Speaker 2: Prince Harry Fretn's legal action over a story that he

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Speaker 2: should definitely just have led us all believe because it

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Speaker 2: made him look really good.

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Speaker 3: And the latest shapewear for your face. Sometimes when I'm prepping,

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Speaker 3: I come across a theory that is so brilliant and

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Speaker 3: explosive that I think I can't wait to tell you

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Speaker 3: both and I have cracked why this has gone viral

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Speaker 3: and what the aim here is, what the marketing ployer is.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to tell you, But first images of

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Speaker 3: tens of thousands of Sydney Siders marching across the Harbor

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Speaker 3: Bridge have gone global after a historic pro Palestine demonstration

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Speaker 3: over the weekend. High profile figures like Julian Assang, Craig Foster,

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Speaker 3: Bob Carr and Antoinette Latoufe all attended, along with politicians Labor,

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Speaker 3: Federal MP Ed Husick and Green Senator Maureen Ferruki. In

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Speaker 3: terms of how many people attended the protest, estimates range

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Speaker 3: from ninety thousand to three hundred thousand, and The Guardian

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Speaker 3: has called it one of the biggest protests in Sydney's history.

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Speaker 4: What were the stated of the protest?

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Speaker 3: So it was organized by a group called the Palestine

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Speaker 3: Action Group and The march was called March for Humanity.

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Speaker 3: It was specifically addressing the deliberate starvation of Gazans. They

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Speaker 3: said on their website. There's obviously enormous symbolism with the Hubberbridge,

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Speaker 3: and Melbourne actually had its own protest as well. But

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Speaker 3: I think the reason that these images went so global

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Speaker 3: was because of the iconography of the Harbour Bridge, the

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Speaker 3: power and Holly. What is the sort of state of

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Speaker 3: things in Australia Because Albanezi obviously saw this protest and

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Speaker 3: there's been news out today about AID and Australia's commitment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Alba wasn't there and nor was Chrismins the

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Speaker 2: argument and descent there because I think Chrismins asked his

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Speaker 2: ministers not to go and some of them did, but

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Speaker 2: broadly speaking it was recognized as being a big people push.

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Speaker 2: So after the march, Albanezi announced an extra twenty million

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Speaker 2: in AID to humanitarian agencies in Gaza. Since the October

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Speaker 2: and thirty million to humanitarian assistance of civilians there. Now

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Speaker 2: that money goes to different organizations, but their agencies like

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Speaker 2: the UN World Food Program, UNICEF, the International Committee of

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Speaker 2: the aid through. Albanese has also dialed up his rhetoric

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Speaker 2: with Netanya Who this week. Last week he said, we

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Speaker 2: to play our part. That is indeed something that is

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Speaker 2: This is all building speculation that maybe Albanzi will be

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Speaker 2: It's actually been Labor Party policy since twenty eighteen to

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Speaker 2: it's much more of a question of not if, but when.

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Speaker 2: But the coalition meanwhile say that any recognition could only

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Speaker 2: the remaining hostages, And it has to be said, there

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Speaker 2: of Hamas Amelia. What difference will it make for Palestine

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so while it won't make much of a practical difference,

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Speaker 4: there are still lots of open questions like what territory

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Speaker 4: also who's going to govern Gaza. These are open questions.

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Speaker 4: But nonetheless, the fact that these world leaders are doing

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Speaker 4: that's been occasioned by the images of famine coming out

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Speaker 4: Prime Minister Stama both mentioned those images when they announced

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Speaker 4: that they would be recognizing a state of Palestine. And

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Speaker 4: it's interesting that the very day that President Macran made

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Speaker 4: very much in tandem, walked away from peace talks, from

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Speaker 4: ceesfire talks and Katar Netanna who accused her mass of

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Speaker 4: not acting in good faith. But nonetheless, the ceasefire talks

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Speaker 4: have been stalled for a long time. And now the

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Speaker 4: fact that world leaders are pressuring net Nonya, who might

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Speaker 4: mean that the parties are more willing to come to

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Speaker 2: As always, for more on this story, please listen to

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Speaker 2: our twice daily news podcast, The Quickie Changing Pace. The

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Speaker 2: Logis happened last night. I know this is a characteristically

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Speaker 2: holly thing to bring. I would like to talk about

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Speaker 2: the love. You know what we don't usually see at

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Speaker 2: the logis. We usually don't see an A list star

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Speaker 2: actively campaigning to not win the Gold Logi, which remains

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Speaker 2: even in this and we could talk for ages about

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Speaker 2: the fragmented era of television and how freedom are is

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Speaker 2: dead and blah blah blah, but people still like the logis.

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Speaker 2: People click on the logis on Mamma Mia and other

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Speaker 2: news sites. They want to see whether or not indeed

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Speaker 2: Hamish Blake was going to win. And that was this

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Speaker 2: year's conundrum because he was the sole man nominated for

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Speaker 2: a gold among there were five women, and Hamish, has

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Speaker 2: that ever happened before. It has never happened before, and

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Speaker 2: it's usually a real sausage fest, the whole Gold Logi situation.

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Speaker 2: The other nominees were Ali Langdon, Julia Morris, Lisa Miller,

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Speaker 2: Poling yow Sonya Krueger, and Lynn McGranger. This is what

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Speaker 2: Hamish had to say when he got up earlier in

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Speaker 2: the show before the Gold Logi was announced to present

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Speaker 2: some award with Sophie Monk. He had to say this,

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Speaker 2: we have to address the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 5: Yep, yes, no, yeah, You're.

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Speaker 4: Up for the Gold Loggi along with six other women,

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Speaker 4: and it just would have been like this beautiful moment

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Speaker 2: Women I know, I know, and then you're just like

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Speaker 5: There, yeah, yeah, I'm sort of like the drunk uncle

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Speaker 5: in the bridesmaid's photo, just thinking he's a legend. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: It's a good look if you win.

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Speaker 5: No. No, I don't what a unique position to be

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Speaker 5: in to fear the win, because I mean, unless I'm

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Speaker 5: reading the room wrong, I just don't know if anyone's like,

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Speaker 5: let's hear it from middle aged white guys, be awesome

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Speaker 5: to see you crash through the pack. Yep, well there's

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Speaker 5: what she's thank you, seat filler.

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Speaker 2: He just can't help himself but be adorable. Never wait, anyway,

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Speaker 2: I buried the lead because he didn't need to worry.

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Speaker 2: He did not win. Lynn McGranger one, she has been

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Speaker 2: on Home and Away for thirty three years and she's

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Speaker 2: retiring this year, and Sampang made a whole joke about

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Speaker 2: how no one knows how she's gonna let's just say die,

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Speaker 2: because she might not die, she might exit, but he

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Speaker 2: said maybe it will be in a or do you

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Speaker 2: mean die on the show is and everyone's assuming the

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Speaker 2: way she's going to get written out will be some

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Speaker 2: like cataclysmic event.

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Speaker 4: Better.

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Speaker 2: Pang made a gag about how it should be during

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Speaker 2: League team, but it probably won't be anyway, she won

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Speaker 3: I love what Lynn said in her speech about how

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Speaker 3: that show has employed writers and actors for that many years,

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Speaker 3: especially at a time when it's you know, really fickle.

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Speaker 3: It's really difficult for people to get work, and the

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Speaker 3: best TV writers that I've met work on that show

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Speaker 3: like that's you know, whether you want to kind of

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Speaker 3: it's been such a staple of Australian television. But on Hamish,

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Speaker 3: I just from the moment he got nominated, he said,

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Speaker 3: made the best woman win. He did not want that

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Speaker 3: award to be someone who has won enough awards, because

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Speaker 3: he's won the Gold Logi twice, all right, so he

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Speaker 3: just always gets nominated. Yeah, and he won another one

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Speaker 2: Although very exciting for me because I know that maybe

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Speaker 2: this says something really tragic about the demographic that I'm in.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of my favorites got up at the

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Speaker 2: Logis last night. Muster Dogs, Hello, can you love that show? Beat,

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Speaker 2: Lego Master's Beat, all the things. Lisa Miller was up there.

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Speaker 2: She was nearly crying. It was a glorious moment for

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Speaker 2: little doggies all over the nation. Their little paws were

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Speaker 2: extra sheep to show them their LOGI it was a

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Speaker 2: big deal.

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Speaker 3: I hope they got a bonus.

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Speaker 2: A bonus.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I didn't even think of that. That

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Speaker 3: was my hate PNS.

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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: Please cuttings day.

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Speaker 2: Excited about Fisk Awards and Kitty Flannagan was fabulous every

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Speaker 4: I have a brief fashion note. Hamish didn't win, but

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Speaker 4: I love to his wife's dress. Soory Foster Blake's dress.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was exceptional, conceptual.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I also loved that she was like, just

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Speaker 3: to be clear, I also don't want Hamish to win, like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want him anywhere near that award. And also

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Speaker 3: a shout out to Bluey most watch show in the

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Speaker 2: Sometime was very funny. He made some great gags and

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Speaker 2: we'll be unpacking the logis in a bit more detail

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Speaker 2: on an episode for subscribers tomorrow. But he made the

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Speaker 2: edgiest joke of the night about Blue that I think

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Speaker 2: made the room go because he said it's the most

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Speaker 2: streamed children's show in America after an instructional video about

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Speaker 4: I have receipts. Cynthia Nixon posted a montage on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's got anything to do with

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Speaker 2: Well, we all know because when she was on Howard

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Speaker 2: Markle would not last more than a month and accused

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Speaker 2: his nephew of going bonkers which is English for crazy,

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Speaker 2: and not doing any due diligence into a past. He

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Speaker 2: openly accused Meghan of being an opportunist and thought she

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Speaker 2: was too old for Harry, adding that his nephew was

435
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Speaker 2: making the biggest mistake of his life. This is all

436
00:21:47,061 --> 00:21:48,821
Speaker 2: supposed to be why Harry punched him in the face,

437
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Speaker 2: and yet today a spokesperson for Prince Harry for the

438
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Speaker 2: Duke of Sussex has told People Magazine and other places

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Speaker 2: I can confirm neither of those things. A true, Prince

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Speaker 2: Harry and Prince Andrew have never had a physical fight,

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Speaker 2: nor did Prince Andrew ever make those comments about the

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Speaker 2: Duchess of Sussex to Prince Harry. My question is, among

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Speaker 2: many questions, why wouldn't Harry just let everyone believe that

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Speaker 2: he punched the worst person than the world in the

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Speaker 2: nose one of.

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Speaker 3: The words, yeah, I don't think that was a problem.

447
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have gone on the record about that. I

448
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Speaker 3: don't think this is horrific. What we have seen so

449
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Speaker 3: far from what's in this book is so damning, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone had high opinions of Prince Andrew.

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Speaker 4: And you know what's so interesting to me about it

452
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Speaker 4: is that this is a book getting published in the UK,

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Speaker 4: which has the strictest defamation laws of basically anywhere in

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Speaker 4: the world.

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Speaker 3: There was a like a sports therapist, like a massage therapist.

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Speaker 3: I found what she said really damning. So she was

457
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Speaker 3: saying that she was in her workplace, really working with

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Speaker 3: Prince Andrew and the comments he would make to her

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Speaker 3: about her body and what sex she enjoyed and when

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Speaker 3: was the last time she had sex, Like it just

461
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Speaker 3: sounds like that was constant, and it's inconceivable that everyone

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Speaker 3: around Prince Andrew didn't know, like this was clearly an

463
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Speaker 3: open secret. And my question, I suppose, is how it

464
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Speaker 3: took this long, Like did it take him falling so

465
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Speaker 3: far being so cast out of the Royal family?

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Speaker 4: Hasn't been cast out of the Royal family. I think

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Speaker 4: that's part of the problem here. He's still going to

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Speaker 4: church services with the family on Christmas.

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Speaker 2: I think they would like him to go away. To

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Speaker 2: your question of how is this allowed to happen? We

471
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Speaker 2: know that powerful, wealthy people get away with a lot, right,

472
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Speaker 2: and in Britain's society doesn't get any more powerful. It

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Speaker 2: gets wealthy yet, but it doesn't get any more powerful

474
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Speaker 2: and high status in the Royal family and their bad

475
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Speaker 2: behavior and inverted commerce has been tolerated and enabled and

476
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Speaker 2: brushed under the carpet forever, you know, since Henry the

477
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Speaker 2: Eights was chopping off his wife's heads. So I think

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Speaker 2: that for a long time it was tolerated. I think

479
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Speaker 2: that when the legal stuff started to happen that could

480
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Speaker 2: not be pushed away or ignored or denied. Really about

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Speaker 2: what Prince Andrew may or may not have been doing

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Speaker 2: with Epstein and others. They've tried to make him go

483
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Speaker 2: away quietly, but he is clearly outraged about it and

484
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to. This book is going to blow up

485
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Speaker 2: because one of the explanations for why Harry hasn't just

486
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Speaker 2: gone sure, I punched him in the nose or whatever,

487
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Speaker 2: like he's aw awful person. It's because he's really good

488
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Speaker 2: mates with Andrews. Yes, so those girls didn't ask for

489
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Speaker 2: their dad to be this awful human, and he's very

490
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Speaker 2: good friends with Eugenie. But all of that side of

491
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Speaker 2: the family going to come under a very intense spotlight

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Speaker 2: with this book. It will be very interesting to see

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Speaker 2: what Chils is going to do.

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Speaker 4: I think you really landed on why Harry came out,

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Speaker 4: because what's interesting about that statement is it says, Okay,

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Speaker 4: he didn't punch him, but also Andrew didn't say these

497
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Speaker 4: hateful things about Megan, and I think that plays into

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Speaker 4: the idea that he doesn't want Andrew's daughters to face

499
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Speaker 4: any more scrutiny for things that their father didn't do,

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Speaker 4: because they're going to face enough for what he did do.

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Speaker 2: They are and they are loyal to Harry. So in

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Speaker 2: the documentary, I remember they kept in a part where

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Speaker 2: Eugenie or Husu, as Harry calls her, was flying into

504
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Speaker 2: La to meet them. So they've managed to play both.

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Speaker 3: Sides quite well.

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Speaker 2: The York girls, as it were, women now both married

507
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Speaker 2: with kids and everything. And I think that that probably

508
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Speaker 2: tells us why Harry didn't want to throw more fuel

509
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Speaker 2: on the fire. But the fire is burning, it's going

510
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Speaker 2: to be very hard for anyone to get out of there.

511
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Speaker 2: In other news, one member of the royal family appears

512
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Speaker 2: at least to have done something normal. Princess Ann's son

513
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Speaker 2: is getting married Peter Phillips, as he's known because Princess

514
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Speaker 2: Ann famously did not give her kids titles. Take note,

515
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Speaker 2: Harry and Meggs, They're just called Peter Phillips and Zarah

516
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Speaker 2: Phillips is engaged for the second time and he is

517
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Speaker 2: marrying NHS Nurse Harriet's Spurling, which seems on the surface

518
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Speaker 2: to be very normal.

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Speaker 3: I thought that, and then I read an article.

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Speaker 2: A little dig yeah, a little bit of digging. She

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Speaker 2: is reportedly a distant relation of the Duke of Gloucester.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting that she once wrote an article for

523
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Speaker 2: a Christian magazine about being a single mother, and she

524
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Speaker 2: talks about having struggled and that resources were scarce in

525
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Speaker 2: that time and everything. So she certainly isn't blue blood royal.

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Speaker 2: But he's got two daughters from his first marriage. They're

527
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Speaker 2: getting married, and everybody's saying, isn't this lovely and normal?

528
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Because I saw the lovely and normal commentary, and

529
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Speaker 3: then I went deep and I don't know what any

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Speaker 3: of these words mean. But there was a Gloucester. Is

531
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Speaker 3: that what it's called? Yes, there was that. There was

532
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Speaker 3: something about a lord of the manner of edgecoat goodness,

533
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Speaker 3: and there was a first cousin of Princess Alice.

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Speaker 4: And wasn't edge coat the pile as it were if

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Speaker 4: Pemberley and in the BBC Pride and Prejudice.

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Speaker 2: Now there you go, there we go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't think she's your averaginess. I think

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Speaker 3: that she has some connection a little bit like, wait,

539
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Speaker 3: does Kate Middleton have a connection? No, she actually does, Okay,

540
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Speaker 3: all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so she's she's not a

541
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Speaker 3: total outsider normal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, being a bit cynical because in one generation. Look,

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Speaker 4: I think it is actually kind of amazing that they

544
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Speaker 4: both had first marriages, they both have children, from other relationships.

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Speaker 4: It's a blended family in a way that just one

546
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Speaker 4: generation ago Charles was checking to see whether the Diana

547
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Speaker 4: was a virgin. We've come a long way, It's true.

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Speaker 3: After the break, a forensic analysis of the viral skims

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Speaker 3: shapewear that has everyone talking and a merely is demanding

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Speaker 3: a rite of reply, and yeah, she's about to get.

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Speaker 3: This thing happens on the show sometimes when a host

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Speaker 3: is an on that particular show, but they listen because

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Speaker 3: they're loyal, but they find themselves yelling, raising their voice

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Speaker 3: and saying I needed to be on that show because

560
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Speaker 3: everyone is apparently wrong. And this happens to listeners as well.

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Speaker 3: It's a very relatable experience. I'm sure me is doing

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Speaker 3: it right now. Emily, you had one such experience last week.

563
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Speaker 3: You were listening to a segment and you went and

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Speaker 3: hated it. You hated it, you hated it. I would

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Speaker 3: like to give you because we believe in respectful disagreement,

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Speaker 3: don't we, Holly, We do.

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Speaker 2: We work very hard at that.

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Speaker 3: We're very open to having our minds changed.

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Speaker 2: I like to burst in when I've been on holidays,

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Speaker 2: I'll say, Jesse Maya, listen to me.

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Speaker 3: Listen to me. Well, I would like to give you

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Speaker 3: a platform, Amelia Lester for a write of reply.

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Speaker 4: It feels good not to be screaming into the void

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Speaker 4: as I take a neighborhood walk listening thank you for

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Speaker 4: giving me a microphone. You were talking last week about

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Speaker 4: Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle Gens campaign. Now loose as I

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Speaker 4: am to give any more attention to what is, after all,

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Speaker 4: a gen's commercial, I must because you were all wrong

579
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Speaker 4: on it. So basically, to bring you up to speed,

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Speaker 4: the Hollywood actor Sydney Sweeney modeled some genes in a

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Speaker 4: kind of riff on the Brookshields Calvin Kleine advertisements, talking

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Speaker 4: about how sexy they were and how good they looked,

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Speaker 4: and also how because she has blonde hair and blue

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Speaker 4: eyes she has good genes. And genes, of course can

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Speaker 4: be spelled two ways, and on one at least one

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Speaker 4: billboard for the campaign, the word genes are spelled ge

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Speaker 4: nes and then crossed out, and then genes we was

588
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Speaker 4: scrawled underneath it, with the implication that Sydney Sweeney is

589
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Speaker 4: both wearing a very nice pair of straight leg jeans

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Speaker 4: because they're back, but also she has good genetic material.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of context that I think that you

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Speaker 4: all missed in saying that everyone sort of needs to

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Speaker 4: get over the outrage on this, and that is that

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Speaker 4: there's a very big, live debate happening in the United

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Speaker 4: States right now where the ads came out about who

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Speaker 4: gets to be an American, who gets to have that citizenship,

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Speaker 4: and the Trump administration is challenging birthright citizenship in the courts,

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Speaker 4: Immigrations and Customs enforcement is rounding up migrants wearing bandanas

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Speaker 4: over their faces, and for the first time in recorded history,

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Speaker 4: the US is going to have net zero migration this year,

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Speaker 4: which is kind of extraordinary for a country that valued

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Speaker 4: itself as a nation of people who come from other places.

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Speaker 4: And it's because that speaks to how chilled the environment

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Speaker 4: has become there. This administration is really setting a message

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Speaker 4: that we don't want people to come from other places

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Speaker 4: to America.

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Speaker 3: So Here's what I'm interested in because I take everything

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Speaker 3: you say and I think on the show, we talked

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Speaker 3: about ice, and we talked about a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: policies that definitely made this ad particularly fraud. My question

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Speaker 3: is whether it was an accident that they touched on

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Speaker 3: this hot button issue or whether it was on purpose.

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Speaker 3: What do you think? Do you think American Eagle knew

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Speaker 3: that this was all bubbling and they went, let's just

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Speaker 3: throw something out that will make this into a viral moment.

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Speaker 4: It's impossible to overstate how chilled it feels in the

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Speaker 4: US right now. I was just there recently, and whether

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Speaker 4: people are talking about it or not, there's a feeling

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Speaker 4: that the country is changing before everyone's eyes. Now, keep

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Speaker 4: in mind there's at least one hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 4: million Americans who hate what this administration is doing and

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Speaker 4: feel completely powerless to stop it. So when a company

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Speaker 4: tries to sell genes by tapping into these very sinister,

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Speaker 4: nefarious undertones that are out there, it makes you angry

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Speaker 4: because it makes you think you're trying to sell me

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Speaker 4: genes by also reminding me of these pernicious ideas that

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Speaker 4: are very much circulating around the culture at the moment,

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Speaker 4: and I hate that feeling of being manipulated and of

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Speaker 4: having these very real emotions fear and anxiety and real

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Speaker 4: sadness about what's happening to the country sort of be

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Speaker 4: sold back to me in the form of genes.

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Speaker 3: I will say I did think over the weekend. I

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Speaker 3: never call on celebrities to comment like I understand why

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Speaker 3: they don't, but I just thought I would really like

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Speaker 3: Sydney Sweeney to say something.

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Speaker 4: Well, she did the opposite in a sense, because what

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Speaker 4: actually came out on the weekend is that she registered

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Speaker 4: as a Republican in the US. Basically, when you register

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Speaker 4: to vote, you can pick a party. It's very different

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Speaker 4: from Australia's secret ballot sort of method, and she had

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Speaker 4: picked a Republican after Trump was nominated to run as

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Speaker 4: the Republican nominee a third time, which means she's very

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Speaker 4: much on board with what is happening here.

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Speaker 3: Skims is making shapeway for your face now and have

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Speaker 3: we all seen the photos? Oh yes, what was your

646
00:32:02,382 --> 00:32:04,062
Speaker 3: reaction when you first held the photos?

647
00:32:05,262 --> 00:32:09,062
Speaker 2: Stylish your surgery bondage.

648
00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:12,262
Speaker 4: Got it made me immediately self conscious about my under

649
00:32:12,302 --> 00:32:13,062
Speaker 4: gen area.

650
00:32:13,262 --> 00:32:16,502
Speaker 2: Interesting I didn't need that to make me sound conscious

651
00:32:16,661 --> 00:32:19,902
Speaker 2: about I see these videos every week. Actually, can I

652
00:32:19,942 --> 00:32:22,062
Speaker 2: wear I should ask Ruth can I wear one while

653
00:32:22,062 --> 00:32:24,461
Speaker 2: we're recording, because that would really help things for me.

654
00:32:24,702 --> 00:32:27,262
Speaker 3: And it's a little bit Handmad's tail. It also reminded

655
00:32:27,302 --> 00:32:30,102
Speaker 3: me because this is the only content I consume of

656
00:32:30,302 --> 00:32:33,022
Speaker 3: the Formula one drivers. The thing they were under their helmet.

657
00:32:33,822 --> 00:32:37,102
Speaker 3: I'm not letting you guys talk about no more, but

658
00:32:37,222 --> 00:32:40,862
Speaker 3: it's reminiscent. So what it looks like is sort of

659
00:32:40,862 --> 00:32:43,302
Speaker 3: a strap that goes under your chin. And if you've

660
00:32:43,302 --> 00:32:46,382
Speaker 3: ever seen someone after a facelift on you know, one

661
00:32:46,422 --> 00:32:48,582
Speaker 3: of those shows, I'm sure reality shows have it all

662
00:32:48,622 --> 00:32:50,822
Speaker 3: the time, where it's kind of the chin strap and

663
00:32:50,862 --> 00:32:53,421
Speaker 3: it goes all the way up to their head. Luckily

664
00:32:53,422 --> 00:32:55,421
Speaker 3: there's space feur ears so you can still.

665
00:32:55,142 --> 00:32:57,062
Speaker 2: Hear post surgical bandage.

666
00:32:57,062 --> 00:32:58,342
Speaker 3: Exactly right. It looks like a bed.

667
00:32:58,382 --> 00:33:00,742
Speaker 4: It's kind of like one floor over the Corcoo's nest

668
00:33:00,862 --> 00:33:02,822
Speaker 4: meets your son's rugby garb.

669
00:33:03,422 --> 00:33:08,982
Speaker 3: Exactly yeah, Hannibal Lecter. So the product is marketed as

670
00:33:09,222 --> 00:33:11,941
Speaker 3: and this is from the website, our first ever face

671
00:33:11,942 --> 00:33:15,221
Speaker 3: innovation is here. This must have face wrap boasts our

672
00:33:15,262 --> 00:33:20,261
Speaker 3: signature sculpting fabric and features collagen yarns for ultrasoft jaw support,

673
00:33:20,862 --> 00:33:23,462
Speaker 3: velcro closures at the top and nape of the neck

674
00:33:23,542 --> 00:33:26,262
Speaker 3: allow for easy every day where, so you can take

675
00:33:26,262 --> 00:33:27,662
Speaker 3: it off and put it back on when you're out

676
00:33:27,702 --> 00:33:28,622
Speaker 3: about questions.

677
00:33:29,622 --> 00:33:32,302
Speaker 2: Questions easy every day where?

678
00:33:32,502 --> 00:33:35,502
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you're at the cafe, so you don't Yeah,

679
00:33:35,502 --> 00:33:36,342
Speaker 3: so you don't get your.

680
00:33:36,742 --> 00:33:39,262
Speaker 2: Things, you meant to be a wearing it while you're asleep.

681
00:33:39,422 --> 00:33:42,862
Speaker 3: Well, Holly, it comes into colors because it looks very

682
00:33:42,862 --> 00:33:44,942
Speaker 3: silly if you have the wrong color skims on your face,

683
00:33:44,982 --> 00:33:47,062
Speaker 3: wouldn't you? And that's something that Skims has done that's

684
00:33:47,062 --> 00:33:49,661
Speaker 3: really very cool, is there is diversity and they're kind

685
00:33:49,661 --> 00:33:51,982
Speaker 3: of acknowledging. So they have one white model and one

686
00:33:52,062 --> 00:33:55,662
Speaker 3: black model and they have kind of the skims to go. Now.

687
00:33:55,702 --> 00:33:58,862
Speaker 3: The product retails for eighty eight dollars Australian. It's actually

688
00:33:58,942 --> 00:34:02,222
Speaker 3: not available here yet, sorry, Amelia. But it did sell

689
00:34:02,262 --> 00:34:04,741
Speaker 3: out in the US in hours, is it? Yes?

690
00:34:04,902 --> 00:34:07,262
Speaker 4: And as also sell out like Megan's Jam or do

691
00:34:07,342 --> 00:34:09,302
Speaker 4: we think that means it was really popular?

692
00:34:09,661 --> 00:34:12,822
Speaker 3: Question? I mean, look, it absolutely was a viral sensation.

693
00:34:13,222 --> 00:34:15,462
Speaker 3: A lot of it was mocking, and then a lot

694
00:34:15,462 --> 00:34:18,462
Speaker 3: of it was saying, as someone who is very on

695
00:34:18,502 --> 00:34:21,421
Speaker 3: TikTok this, I don't know what they call it. It's

696
00:34:21,502 --> 00:34:23,662
Speaker 3: kind of like an unmasking, but I keep being served

697
00:34:23,781 --> 00:34:26,102
Speaker 3: these videos of women getting up in the morning, taking

698
00:34:26,181 --> 00:34:29,502
Speaker 3: off their mouth tape, taking off their heatless curls, taking

699
00:34:29,542 --> 00:34:31,942
Speaker 3: off there is like a bandage. I saw a sixteen

700
00:34:32,022 --> 00:34:34,982
Speaker 3: year old girl doing it. Recently, people are bandaging.

701
00:34:35,342 --> 00:34:35,542
Speaker 2: Yep.

702
00:34:35,781 --> 00:34:38,221
Speaker 3: It started with face tape and now it's like bandaging.

703
00:34:38,302 --> 00:34:42,981
Speaker 3: And it's very much marketed at young women like jen

704
00:34:43,102 --> 00:34:44,221
Speaker 3: Z millenniums.

705
00:34:44,221 --> 00:34:46,701
Speaker 2: I don't actually have to worry about their jails.

706
00:34:46,462 --> 00:34:48,182
Speaker 3: Yet to get a snatch sort of face.

707
00:34:48,542 --> 00:34:51,422
Speaker 2: Two things. Yeah, So the woman behind Skims, as we know,

708
00:34:51,502 --> 00:34:54,181
Speaker 2: Skims is Kim Kardashian's business, but the woman behind it

709
00:34:54,261 --> 00:34:56,822
Speaker 2: really is Emigreed. While actually her and her husband Yans

710
00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:59,342
Speaker 2: so we've talked about them on the show before, Emigreed

711
00:34:59,422 --> 00:35:03,701
Speaker 2: has this. It's really pushing her entrepreneurial credentials at the moment.

712
00:35:03,701 --> 00:35:05,582
Speaker 2: She's got a podcast that drives me a crazy, etc.

713
00:35:06,422 --> 00:35:09,062
Speaker 2: And she has spoken a lot on her publicity tours

714
00:35:09,142 --> 00:35:12,502
Speaker 2: recently about what makes Skims so great And what makes

715
00:35:12,542 --> 00:35:15,462
Speaker 2: the Kardashian so great to work with is that they

716
00:35:15,542 --> 00:35:17,222
Speaker 2: A they don't get in the way of the experts

717
00:35:17,261 --> 00:35:19,821
Speaker 2: who actually know what they're doing. B. They have an

718
00:35:19,902 --> 00:35:22,741
Speaker 2: amazing instinct for viral content. So who could forget the

719
00:35:22,822 --> 00:35:25,622
Speaker 2: nipple bra. Right when Kim Kardashian came out and she

720
00:35:25,741 --> 00:35:27,782
Speaker 2: was wearing the bra that had like built in nipples,

721
00:35:28,062 --> 00:35:30,741
Speaker 2: at least two news cycles about nipples. Nipples are back,

722
00:35:30,781 --> 00:35:32,701
Speaker 2: Remember some when Samantha had nipples and sex and the

723
00:35:32,741 --> 00:35:33,181
Speaker 2: city way we.

724
00:35:33,142 --> 00:35:33,942
Speaker 3: Would have talked about it.

725
00:35:34,102 --> 00:35:35,741
Speaker 2: Why would you want one of those? Why wouldn't you

726
00:35:35,781 --> 00:35:37,462
Speaker 2: want one of those? Oh blah blahlah leah, and that

727
00:35:37,502 --> 00:35:39,622
Speaker 2: went on and on and on, and Emmagreed said, we

728
00:35:39,661 --> 00:35:41,421
Speaker 2: sold out of those really quickly. But it was never

729
00:35:41,462 --> 00:35:43,381
Speaker 2: about the nipple bra. The nipple bro was to get

730
00:35:43,382 --> 00:35:45,901
Speaker 2: you the Skim's website and then buy something else we

731
00:35:45,902 --> 00:35:47,862
Speaker 2: were selling, and in that case it was the baby

732
00:35:47,902 --> 00:35:49,861
Speaker 2: teas that you would want your nipples to show through.

733
00:35:49,862 --> 00:35:51,622
Speaker 2: I'm grabbing my boobs as I speak because I hope

734
00:35:51,622 --> 00:35:53,982
Speaker 2: my nipples are not shown because who knows where they

735
00:35:54,022 --> 00:35:58,062
Speaker 2: are anyway. So there's that. So one of the things

736
00:35:58,062 --> 00:36:00,341
Speaker 2: of this we are being manipulated just as we are

737
00:36:00,422 --> 00:36:03,181
Speaker 2: by Sidney Sweeney and everyone else to talk about it

738
00:36:03,221 --> 00:36:05,622
Speaker 2: to get it moving, because everyone's like Skims Skim Skims,

739
00:36:05,622 --> 00:36:07,661
Speaker 2: look at what they do. And the other piece to

740
00:36:07,701 --> 00:36:11,142
Speaker 2: that that's very clever from Kim's pive is she doesn't

741
00:36:11,142 --> 00:36:14,182
Speaker 2: always have to be in this narrative anymore, so unlike

742
00:36:14,261 --> 00:36:17,741
Speaker 2: say a Goop, where Gwyneth still is very much if

743
00:36:17,781 --> 00:36:20,062
Speaker 2: you go to Goop's website, she still is their lead model.

744
00:36:20,102 --> 00:36:22,142
Speaker 2: She still is their best bet at getting you to

745
00:36:22,181 --> 00:36:25,022
Speaker 2: buy a really expensive cashmere jumpers if she's wearing it.

746
00:36:25,542 --> 00:36:28,741
Speaker 2: Skims have been very good strategically at jumping on other

747
00:36:28,741 --> 00:36:30,821
Speaker 2: people and getting them into the campaigns, whether they're white,

748
00:36:30,822 --> 00:36:32,582
Speaker 2: load of stars, whether it's a pop star, whether it's

749
00:36:32,582 --> 00:36:36,381
Speaker 2: someone else, and building it beyond Kim. So every time

750
00:36:36,382 --> 00:36:39,741
Speaker 2: they release something that seems strange and viral and out

751
00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:41,942
Speaker 2: of this world, my immediate mintenna I go up and

752
00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:44,022
Speaker 2: go what are they really trying to sell us? So

753
00:36:44,102 --> 00:36:44,542
Speaker 2: there's that.

754
00:36:45,062 --> 00:36:47,662
Speaker 4: I think the aesthetics of it are interesting as well,

755
00:36:47,701 --> 00:36:50,582
Speaker 4: because it looks like work. I think you do sort

756
00:36:50,622 --> 00:36:53,221
Speaker 4: of goes through cycles of you want to look effortless

757
00:36:53,302 --> 00:36:55,862
Speaker 4: or you want to look like you're working, so to illustrate,

758
00:36:55,902 --> 00:36:58,341
Speaker 4: for instance, I think in the nineties it was about

759
00:36:58,382 --> 00:37:00,462
Speaker 4: you wanted to look like effortless, like Cape Moss, Like

760
00:37:00,462 --> 00:37:02,382
Speaker 4: she didn't brush her hair, she didn't wear may cuts, she.

761
00:37:02,382 --> 00:37:04,542
Speaker 2: Didn't go to bed. Yeah, she couldn't have worn one

762
00:37:04,582 --> 00:37:06,741
Speaker 2: of these if she wanted to. And then straight from

763
00:37:06,822 --> 00:37:07,262
Speaker 2: the club.

764
00:37:07,902 --> 00:37:10,861
Speaker 4: Very much in tandem with the rise the Kardashians. I

765
00:37:10,942 --> 00:37:14,422
Speaker 4: think now beauty we actually want to or the fashion

766
00:37:14,542 --> 00:37:17,502
Speaker 4: is to telegraph how much work you've put into the

767
00:37:17,542 --> 00:37:20,302
Speaker 4: way you look. So that's why contouring has been around

768
00:37:20,342 --> 00:37:22,781
Speaker 4: for a few years now. Contrary is not about a

769
00:37:22,902 --> 00:37:25,502
Speaker 4: natural look. It's about I spent time on this, and

770
00:37:25,542 --> 00:37:28,181
Speaker 4: when I look at that face bandage, I think it's

771
00:37:28,181 --> 00:37:32,341
Speaker 4: all about celebrating work, putting work into beauty. Now, whether

772
00:37:32,342 --> 00:37:34,381
Speaker 4: that's a good thing or not, it's probably a bad thing,

773
00:37:34,462 --> 00:37:37,181
Speaker 4: but it's designed to look a little bit utilitarian, a

774
00:37:37,181 --> 00:37:39,142
Speaker 4: little bit ugly. So this is my theory.

775
00:37:39,502 --> 00:37:41,142
Speaker 3: I was going deep on this and I was thinking

776
00:37:41,142 --> 00:37:43,622
Speaker 3: about what you said wholly about there always trying to

777
00:37:43,661 --> 00:37:46,381
Speaker 3: sell something else, and I was going, what is this about?

778
00:37:46,422 --> 00:37:48,461
Speaker 3: Because what they've managed to do is, I must say,

779
00:37:48,741 --> 00:37:53,221
Speaker 3: the first time I saw this image, I was horrified, confused, interested,

780
00:37:53,741 --> 00:37:55,422
Speaker 3: and by the time it popped up on my feed

781
00:37:55,422 --> 00:37:58,062
Speaker 3: today started to look relatively normal because of how many

782
00:37:58,102 --> 00:38:00,861
Speaker 3: times I'd see the image. So we are normalizing these

783
00:38:00,942 --> 00:38:03,182
Speaker 3: sort of face sculpting things.

784
00:38:03,902 --> 00:38:04,902
Speaker 4: And I thought.

785
00:38:04,661 --> 00:38:06,542
Speaker 3: About a few weeks ago, we were talking about the

786
00:38:06,582 --> 00:38:11,102
Speaker 3: Kardashians and the transparency around cosmetic surgery, and how all

787
00:38:11,142 --> 00:38:16,142
Speaker 3: of a sudden, your Chloe's, your Kylie's, your crises are

788
00:38:16,221 --> 00:38:19,221
Speaker 3: saying here's what I've got done. And we were speculating,

789
00:38:19,261 --> 00:38:22,661
Speaker 3: and we went, I wonder if they are getting into clinics,

790
00:38:22,781 --> 00:38:25,221
Speaker 3: like I wonder if they're actually getting into procedures, because

791
00:38:25,221 --> 00:38:27,902
Speaker 3: we've seen this cultural shift towards going I got a facelift,

792
00:38:27,942 --> 00:38:29,422
Speaker 3: I'll tell you how much it was and who did it.

793
00:38:30,221 --> 00:38:32,661
Speaker 3: If so, people are going to need one of these,

794
00:38:33,302 --> 00:38:36,622
Speaker 3: Like I wonder if this is legitimately a facelift, a

795
00:38:36,741 --> 00:38:39,781
Speaker 3: surgical device that is going to be I wonder if

796
00:38:39,822 --> 00:38:42,261
Speaker 3: in ten years, walking around LA people are just going

797
00:38:42,342 --> 00:38:44,142
Speaker 3: to be wearing these, Like if we are going to

798
00:38:44,221 --> 00:38:46,462
Speaker 3: normalize the kind of postop facelift.

799
00:38:46,701 --> 00:38:50,021
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I reckon, yes, you go to some

800
00:38:50,422 --> 00:38:53,741
Speaker 2: fancy suburbs of Sydney, and it is normalized now that

801
00:38:53,781 --> 00:38:56,782
Speaker 2: people might be wearing a bandage on a certain place,

802
00:38:56,862 --> 00:38:58,741
Speaker 2: or that their skin might be looking a certain way

803
00:38:58,781 --> 00:39:00,901
Speaker 2: from appeal or whatever. So I don't think that's beyond

804
00:39:00,902 --> 00:39:04,062
Speaker 2: the realms of possibility. Sidebar. I spoke to a women

805
00:39:04,142 --> 00:39:07,422
Speaker 2: last week for mid who does a lot of cosmetic procedures,

806
00:39:07,902 --> 00:39:10,502
Speaker 2: and she is furious at number of people who come

807
00:39:10,502 --> 00:39:13,261
Speaker 2: in and show Chris Jenna's facelift, because she says, show

808
00:39:13,302 --> 00:39:15,382
Speaker 2: me that without filters, show me that what it hasn't

809
00:39:15,382 --> 00:39:17,542
Speaker 2: been through at facetine. She's like, she doesn't look like that.

810
00:39:17,661 --> 00:39:20,181
Speaker 2: Nobody looks like that. Stop showing me that picture. But

811
00:39:21,022 --> 00:39:22,341
Speaker 2: you could be onto that. But I don't know if

812
00:39:22,342 --> 00:39:25,341
Speaker 2: this is surgical grade blah blah blah. But the other

813
00:39:25,382 --> 00:39:27,861
Speaker 2: thing that makes me really kind of exhausted about this

814
00:39:27,862 --> 00:39:29,781
Speaker 2: because a lot of women reacted with, oh my god,

815
00:39:29,822 --> 00:39:32,301
Speaker 2: another thing to worry about. And as you can tell

816
00:39:32,302 --> 00:39:35,901
Speaker 2: by the fact that I do this, I'm exhausted by

817
00:39:35,902 --> 00:39:37,102
Speaker 2: all the things I meant to be doing when I'm

818
00:39:37,102 --> 00:39:39,822
Speaker 2: asleep now, right, It used to be that sleep was rest,

819
00:39:40,342 --> 00:39:42,381
Speaker 2: but now I have to monitor the quality of it.

820
00:39:42,422 --> 00:39:44,062
Speaker 2: How many times did I wake up in the night.

821
00:39:44,342 --> 00:39:46,502
Speaker 2: I have to cover myself in twenty five layers of

822
00:39:46,661 --> 00:39:49,062
Speaker 2: stale snot I have to wear one of these I

823
00:39:49,142 --> 00:39:51,261
Speaker 2: m ask mouth tape. I have to do all these

824
00:39:51,302 --> 00:39:54,461
Speaker 2: things while I'm asleep, and no wonder nobody's sleeping. It's

825
00:39:54,462 --> 00:39:55,382
Speaker 2: not very RESTful.

826
00:39:55,661 --> 00:39:57,622
Speaker 4: It was interesting because there was an article in the

827
00:39:57,661 --> 00:40:01,062
Speaker 4: Sitney Morning Herald today about the return of the idea

828
00:40:01,102 --> 00:40:04,382
Speaker 4: of sleeping on very thin, rollable mattresses, as the Japanese

829
00:40:04,382 --> 00:40:06,261
Speaker 4: have done for centuries. So enough with the sort of

830
00:40:06,342 --> 00:40:10,701
Speaker 4: optimized fluffy mattresses and perfect pillows. Just just roll out

831
00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:13,582
Speaker 4: your little thin cotton mat and then you roll it

832
00:40:13,661 --> 00:40:15,422
Speaker 4: up at the end of the night when you're done sleeping.

833
00:40:15,781 --> 00:40:18,142
Speaker 4: And there's a sense of people wanting to return to basics. Now.

834
00:40:18,142 --> 00:40:20,502
Speaker 4: The question was is this better than sleeping on a

835
00:40:20,542 --> 00:40:22,701
Speaker 4: full blow or mattress, and they interviewed a number of

836
00:40:22,701 --> 00:40:25,821
Speaker 4: experts who basically emoji shrugged. The truth is we still

837
00:40:25,862 --> 00:40:27,982
Speaker 4: don't know so many things about sleep. We know that

838
00:40:28,022 --> 00:40:30,462
Speaker 4: it's good to get it, we don't understand a lot

839
00:40:30,502 --> 00:40:32,821
Speaker 4: about how it works or how to optimize it. That's

840
00:40:32,862 --> 00:40:35,341
Speaker 4: because we only ever study sleep problems and not how

841
00:40:35,382 --> 00:40:37,941
Speaker 4: to get better sleep, And so I wonder if part

842
00:40:37,982 --> 00:40:39,741
Speaker 4: of this is that it opens the door to the

843
00:40:39,781 --> 00:40:42,901
Speaker 4: snake oil salesman like him and like Skims, to say

844
00:40:42,942 --> 00:40:44,302
Speaker 4: this is going to give you better sleep.

845
00:40:44,582 --> 00:40:46,981
Speaker 3: I was doing some research on this too, and there

846
00:40:46,982 --> 00:40:49,661
Speaker 3: are images from magazines in the nineteen twenties of women

847
00:40:49,661 --> 00:40:51,661
Speaker 3: wearing these. The idea that you would wear like a

848
00:40:51,781 --> 00:40:56,102
Speaker 3: bandage or tape is actually quite old. It's not entirely new.

849
00:40:56,502 --> 00:40:58,821
Speaker 3: I just think that the proliferation of it has been

850
00:40:58,862 --> 00:41:02,382
Speaker 3: aided by social media, which is pretty eye catching. Did

851
00:41:02,462 --> 00:41:06,702
Speaker 3: we also see the Anthony Hopkins, who obviously played Hannibal

852
00:41:06,741 --> 00:41:09,422
Speaker 3: Lecter in Silence of Lambs what he put on so

853
00:41:09,741 --> 00:41:10,381
Speaker 3: media wearing it?

854
00:41:10,582 --> 00:41:12,422
Speaker 4: I have to ask does he have a robust social

855
00:41:12,462 --> 00:41:13,661
Speaker 4: media presence or is this.

856
00:41:13,622 --> 00:41:16,422
Speaker 2: Like me he jumps on every now and again and

857
00:41:16,741 --> 00:41:17,861
Speaker 2: takes the mooky out of things.

858
00:41:17,942 --> 00:41:22,742
Speaker 3: Yep, here's what he said, Hello, Kim, I'm already fiving

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Speaker 3: ten years younger.

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Speaker 2: Good bye.

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Speaker 3: My question when I saw that was is it organical paid?

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Speaker 3: Because you should say if explicitly say if it's paid.

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Speaker 3: But Dan that contributed to kind of a very big mind.

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Speaker 4: Surely the timing of it made me think it had

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Speaker 4: to be paid a.

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Speaker 2: Massive thank you out loud as that is all we've

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Speaker 2: got time for today. We're going to be back in

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Speaker 2: your ears tomorrow and of course for the rest of

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Speaker 2: the week. And thank you to our fabulous team for

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Speaker 2: putting the show together. As always, Bye bye.

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