WEBVTT - Dita Von Teese's Life as a Showgirl 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.719 You're listening to Amma mea podcast. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.520 I was also pretty wild too, Like I mean, when 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.999 I look back, it's like, I'm very I've always been 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.200 very responsible, but you know, like, no, the same kind 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:21.999 of thing didn't happen to me that happened in Anna 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.279 Nicole Smith. But you know, I mean I was going 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.400 out partying. I worked in the reeve scene, you know, 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.679 and I was up all night and I was like, 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.600 you know, I was just doing a different kind of 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.600 drugs if I'm honest, you know, like I wasn't doing 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.400 addictive drugs, but I was using mind altering drugs. 0:00:42.480 --> 0:00:45.440 Today, on no Filter, you're going to meet a woman 0:00:45.480 --> 0:00:49.880 who's built her entire life on the art of transformation. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.960 Dieta Bontees was born here the Sweet, a ballet student 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.520 from small town Michigan who fell in love with old 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:04.080 Hollywood glamour, the idea that beauty itself could tell a story. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.000 As a teenager working in a lingerie store, she opened 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.440 her first bra, a plain white cotton thing in a 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:19.120 plastic egg, and felt instantly disappointed. She'd imagined something romantic, 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:25.480 something transformative, and that moment sparked her lifelong mission to 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.160 make the world or at least her world more beautiful. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.640 Now known globally as the Queen of Burlesque, her shows 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:39.120 blend theater, fantasy and precision. But behind the spectacle is 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.480 a woman who's built power out of control and mystery 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:51.640 out of complete self possession. This is a conversation about beauty, identity, power, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:59.200 about desiccated coconut, and the liberation that comes from inventing yourself, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:05.280 reinventing yourself, and then living that invention fully. This is 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:13.920 Dita Vontees, unfiltered. Let me just say, what a thrillities 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.040 to drink you in with my own eyes as though 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.680 I am a lady from a Martini glass. 0:02:22.920 --> 0:02:24.240 Thank you very much. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.000 Ditavontes, welcome to no filter. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:27.960 Thank you. 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:33.280 I've noticed that in nearly all your interactions with people, 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.000 they become very self conscious about what they're wearing in 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.440 relation to how you present. Is that a really common thing? 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:49.840 I think it is about the person. Yes, you know, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:54.120 like a certain kind of person will say something like, oh, 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.040 I didn't know we were dressing up today, you know, 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.799 like right, yes, And those are like even like certain 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.320 friends of mine that I'm like, oh oh yeah, I mean, 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.440 how long have we known each other, you know, And 0:03:04.920 --> 0:03:08.600 it's a very particular type of like person that would 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.440 say that. In general, I think people that do feel 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.680 a little like h I guess I you know, maybe 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.840 I feel uncomfortable because you know, I didn't put it 0:03:19.920 --> 0:03:22.120 for the effort. I mean it's usually what I'm saying 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.000 is it says more about them than me. And I 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.359 don't think even I have plenty of friends who don't 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.560 dress up at all, who never say things like that, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.639 you know, So I think it's just a certain it's 0:03:33.640 --> 0:03:36.400 about that person, and it doesn't make you like a 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.440 bad person that you didn't want to dress up, but 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.960 like you definitely, I don't think it is like I 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.520 can't remember every time turning to somebody saying like, oh god, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.360 I'm really overdressed. I should have you know, Like I 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.680 just feel like very firm and when I picked, and 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.560 I've been overdressed and underdressed for things, and you know, 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.120 fly undergressed if I'm honest. But you know, like for 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.520 me when I feel underdressed. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.440 Yes, Wayne, give me an example, data Vontee of ways, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.240 well you have been on to dress. I know you've 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:09.320 been on dressed. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.240 I think the thing is like I might feel that 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.360 I could have gone further, like, oh, I really could 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.799 have gone further with this. I didn't realize I could 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.239 have taken it there, you know. But I might feel 0:04:21.280 --> 0:04:28.800 like underdressed sometimes at like if there was a like 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.280 a fancy dress party that I was invited to when 0:04:31.280 --> 0:04:33.240 I didn't have the right clothes or something, you know, 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:35.920 or things like that, or I don't know, I'm trying 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.680 to think of an example, but or like, for instance, 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.400 I was just trying on some dresses to wear, like 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.440 a package of dresses that came from a designer I love, 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.640 and I was like, I put on this beautiful like 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.840 beaded dress and it's cocktail length, and I thought, oh, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.360 but you know what, like I think what I'm going 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.000 to is like people were we wearing full length gowns, 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.960 but this is like a beaded dress. It's just not 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.880 to the floor. So I thought, like, I mean, I can, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.279 by all accounts, I could wear this dress. It's like 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.240 it's amazing, it's all intricate beadwork and everything. But I 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.640 had this start like, oh, I should really wear like 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.600 a gown because I can at this. So maybe it's 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.040 like that, do. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.640 You know what I find fascinating. I mean, there's a 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.480 lot that's fascinating about you. But now in a world 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.960 where people are very tribal, and we have the Internet 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:34.480 and people have access to any manner of accouterments from 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.360 their tribe, you can get online if you decide that 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.080 you're you know, rockabilly or your death metal or your 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.960 you can find all those things. Yea, when you were 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:51.919 a teenager growing up in Michigan and then later on 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.120 in California, the world wasn't like that. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.800 No, not at all. But it's real. Isn't it great 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.640 when you get to the point where you're watching all 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.080 these shifts in the world. I mean, I think about 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.680 that all the time about you know, I don't I'm 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.000 very I try to be careful of being that person. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.960 That's like in my day, we had to use a map, 0:06:10.280 --> 0:06:14.360 you know, you know, in trying to explain to people 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.400 because it is funny, you think like, wow, I'm like, 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.400 you know, I'm to the point where I've experienced all 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.000 this like technology and changing. But I do think like 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:30.120 not having the internet to google pictures or other people's performances, 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.160 for instance, if I relate it to what I do, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.400 that fueled me in being creative on my own, Like 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.200 I didn't have anyone to look at. Like when I 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.599 was first making burlesque shows, I had a book that 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:47.280 had still photos of burlesque stars, like portraits, and I 0:06:47.280 --> 0:06:49.919 saw the movie Gypsy with Natalie Wood and maybe like 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.400 one other forties movie that had burlesque, you know, like 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.159 portrayed burlesque in it. But you know, I didn't have 0:06:57.280 --> 0:07:01.720 like a real example of other burlesque dancers, like real 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.480 life ones, or what burlesque was really like in the 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.200 nineteen thirties and forties. So I've kind of I had 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.400 to like imagine in my mind what I thought it 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.560 should be. And in fact, actually I got coached by 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:17.040 a very like famous burlesque star and she told me 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.480 what I was, Like, what do I do with these 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.240 feather fans that I have, you know, because I only 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.360 had portraits of Sally Rand, and she's tried to describe 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.360 to me what Sally Rand did. And so it's really 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.200 funny to like think like about how much access there 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:37.320 is to like you know, get inspiration or copy, you know, 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.880 like there's so it's so easy now, but like I 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.560 really had to sit there and be like, Okay, feather 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.560 fans are like wings, Okay, I'm going to strike these 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.640 poses and I'm going to cover you know. I really 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.240 had to like work it out on my own, and 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.040 so I think like that really helped get me where 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.280 I am today and made me like original because I 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.000 didn't have like a you know, one thing to copy. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.720 But it's also interesting because you know, when you're a 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:06.920 teenage job, the compulsionies as a teenager, often you want 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.320 to travel with the hoods. Yes, yeah, And so teenage 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.440 girls now, like i'd see with my daughter, they the 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.360 girls will wear, you know, a tracksuit pants and a 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.120 crop puffer and there's like a uniform that they have. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.720 Yeah. Yeah, which I'm actually very amused by when I 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.000 see because you start to notice it. But you see 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.280 it more in younger people than older people. But you 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.880 see like a group of maybe like four or five girls, 0:08:35.959 --> 0:08:38.000 and I always say this. I'll turn to somebody and say, look, 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:44.160 same shoe, same hamline, same shirt, like different color, And 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.160 it's like really astonishing when you think about it. And 0:08:47.199 --> 0:08:49.279 so when I think back to when I was a teenager, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.800 I had like one best friend and we both worked 0:08:53.439 --> 0:08:57.479 in a lingerie store, and so we had our thing 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.520 but it was very different than the other girls. Like 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.920 we wore like a boustier with you know, our jeans, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.520 or like a slip with a little cardigan sweater. But 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.400 we definitely I didn't have like a group of girls 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.319 addressed like that. It was really me and her that 0:09:10.479 --> 0:09:13.679 cared about vintage. But it was I think because we 0:09:13.719 --> 0:09:16.800 didn't we were totally self sufficient, Like our parents didn't 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.960 give us any money. So like the you know, I 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.040 had friends where I grew up at, you know, in 0:09:22.199 --> 0:09:25.199 Orange County, California, Like ive, I got driven to school 0:09:25.199 --> 0:09:29.479 every day in a nineteen sixties Porsche oh by my friend. 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.880 Oh you know, but those were not mine. That's not 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.359 how I grew up. So my other friend, we were 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.559 both girls that worked and had to pay for our 0:09:36.599 --> 0:09:39.199 own food and school books and all of this stuff, 0:09:39.439 --> 0:09:41.160 you know. But we were hanging around a lot of 0:09:41.239 --> 0:09:44.639 like people that had a lot of money from their parents, 0:09:44.719 --> 0:09:47.199 and so they had all the designer jeans and shoes. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.840 So we were a little bit like outcasts like that, 0:09:49.959 --> 0:09:55.000 not outcasts, but like we wore vintage things and style 0:09:55.079 --> 0:09:58.559 their clothes very differently than our friends with money. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.359 Right, and so at that time, you must have even 0:10:02.359 --> 0:10:06.199 had a saints of how you were perceived by your 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:11.399 broader school community at the time. How did you fit 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:12.440 into things? 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.319 Well, I feel like there was so many different types 0:10:15.359 --> 0:10:17.960 of people. It's just where I went to school in particular. There, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.240 you know, there was a lot of that. But I 0:10:20.239 --> 0:10:23.800 don't think I ever felt like I was still friends, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.720 you know, I was still part of that the friend group, 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.480 and I don't really remember having like a I know, 0:10:29.599 --> 0:10:32.080 there were there were lots of other like clicks, you know, 0:10:32.319 --> 0:10:36.079 like you know, I was you know, I certainly had 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.519 like was part of a clique, you know, but I 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.119 don't know, I'm not exactly sure. I feel like I 0:10:42.719 --> 0:10:47.639 noticed more of the division maybe in my early twenties 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.120 or after I got out of high school, right, And 0:10:50.199 --> 0:10:54.480 I think that would be because like I really started 0:10:55.199 --> 0:10:57.920 when I when I was eighteen and first graduated. You know, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.519 I had my high school sweetheart was like a water 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.000 polo player, you know, like guard all of these things, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.960 and so they had this like surf culture. I grew 0:11:09.079 --> 0:11:11.839 up like in high school with him and as part 0:11:11.839 --> 0:11:15.479 of this like surf and swimming culture as opposed to 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.520 like sports. But anyway, so then when we kind of 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:24.040 came of age, like after high school, I got randomly 0:11:24.079 --> 0:11:28.199 taken to a rave party and I met all these 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.400 drag queens and club kids, and it really like everything changed, 0:11:31.479 --> 0:11:33.960 and it was very like WHOA, Now, I can you know, 0:11:34.119 --> 0:11:36.080 really dress how I want to dress, you know, because 0:11:36.119 --> 0:11:38.999 I was kind of, you know, I was always eccentric 0:11:39.079 --> 0:11:43.720 and like stylish and different because I always enjoyed that 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.520 for myself and always loved, like, you know, pushing the envelope. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.800 But when I met this kind of whole different world 0:11:50.839 --> 0:11:54.359 of like eccentrics, I really flourished. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.240 So when you would be prior to that, if you 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.079 were like going to watch your water polo boyfriend play, 0:12:01.239 --> 0:12:04.200 you'd presumably be getting in the pool yourself at some point. 0:12:04.959 --> 0:12:06.679 Yeah, I was. It was kind of beach you know, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:07.280 like the beach. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.199 Yeah. Yeah, And were you bringing in that ye oldie 0:12:11.199 --> 0:12:15.199 worldye nineteen fifties sort of Betty Grable in the swimsuit 0:12:16.119 --> 0:12:18.120 Louk than No. 0:12:18.359 --> 0:12:21.959 I got actually remember getting a ticket for indecent exposure 0:12:21.959 --> 0:12:27.479 for wearing a g string bikini in the eighties, really 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.079 because I remember being me and my girlfriend, she tells 0:12:30.119 --> 0:12:32.239 the story, the same friend I was talking about that 0:12:32.319 --> 0:12:34.920 I convinced her that we needed to get these thong 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.999 back bathing suits, and I was like, it's going to 0:12:37.079 --> 0:12:39.359 be really great, girl, all the girls are doing at 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.880 which they were, you know. But I remember we got 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:47.080 there and she like I just like walked down on 0:12:47.119 --> 0:12:49.719 the beach and took off my like shorts and everybody 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.240 was like whoa, And she was too scared and couldn't 0:12:52.239 --> 0:12:54.160 take off her shorts and get her butt out. But yeah, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.040 I got a ticket for indecent exposure, which I think 0:12:57.079 --> 0:12:58.920 is hilarious. I would kill to have that. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.960 Ticket to be oh, yes, frying framed. 0:13:02.239 --> 0:13:04.880 Yes. But anyway, I don't know. I mean I was 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.400 just always kind of like like doing things a little different. 0:13:07.439 --> 0:13:10.239 I wasn't really I wasn't like an exhibitionist really. I 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.439 just liked the idea of this songback bikini that I 0:13:12.479 --> 0:13:16.959 was starting to see, like, you know, poster girls wearing 0:13:17.319 --> 0:13:19.559 and whatnot. It's funny to look back on that. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.439 And then because it was always then a kind of 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:23.920 singularity to you. 0:13:24.239 --> 0:13:26.120 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think I always 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:31.879 just really liked things that were different and rare. I 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.840 grew up watching old movies with my mother and my 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.479 mother is a very like natural type of woman. But 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.559 I remember my girl, like certain friends of mine, I 0:13:41.599 --> 0:13:44.959 had a very eccentric aunt opal and she was, you know, 0:13:45.119 --> 0:13:47.800 more like the blue eyeshadow and the eyeliner and the 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.760 nails and lots of jewelry and smoke. There's a cigarette holder. 0:13:51.199 --> 0:13:53.800 And then I had a girlfriend whose mom had that 0:13:53.839 --> 0:13:57.000 big bouffont hairdoo like with the pink curls, and she 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.920 was a show girl when she was young, and I 0:14:01.239 --> 0:14:03.679 was so so enamored with her. And so I was 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.920 really enamored with the women that were kind of different 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.639 from my mom that were wearing like the red lipstick 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:13.280 and the extreme makeup. I was really obsessed with that 0:14:13.479 --> 0:14:17.079 and like how my mom was not like that, but 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.560 I would see women that were like that. So I've 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.360 always had, you know, wanting to be like that. So 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.479 when I was old enough to start wearing makeup and stuff, 0:14:24.479 --> 0:14:26.239 that's where I picked up the red lipstick. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.919 And the red lipstick is in itself such a statement 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.360 because it's terrifying to a lot of aimen. Yeah, it's 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.680 like I remember when i'd had my first baby, for 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.840 some reason, I decided, you know, when you emerge from 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:49.960 the miasthma of you know, milk and everything. I decided 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.120 for the first time in my life to wear red lipstick, 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.880 and if you're not familiar with it, it's such a disaster. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:00.320 You make it look easy. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.040 Well, it's like a disaster for me not wearing red lipstick. Okay, 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.440 It's like it's not about putting it on, it's just 0:15:06.479 --> 0:15:08.760 how I feel, like, I feel like, where'd my mouth go? 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.560 Because it's been such a big part of my life now, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.600 and like, certainly I'll some days just wear like a 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.480 little bit of lip cloths if I don't plan on 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.759 seeing anyone, But I really feel like weird, like my 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.320 mouth is gone, you know, it just disappears. But I 0:15:25.359 --> 0:15:27.720 get why it's hard for people. And I think the 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.000 reason it's hard for some people is there is so 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.520 many types of red and they really have to like 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.720 learn about what they're correct red for your skin is 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.640 and for your teeth, you know, because this wrong kind 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.479 of red can really make your teeth go of your 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.280 color and you know, so I think like some people 0:15:45.359 --> 0:15:48.120 just don't have the patience, But I do think that 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.080 red can be really great on everyone. And maybe also 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.840 some people don't want to emphasize their mouth and they 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.440 want to emphasize another part of their face. And I 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.399 get that too, Like people are like, I want to 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:00.960 look like I have a tiny little mouth, and I 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.920 want to have huge eyes, or I want to have like, 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.920 you know, big full lips with no nothing else that 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.239 emphasizes them. Like I understand that. It's just that, you know, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.080 I just decided what it was for me, and for me, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.720 it was creating things that I wasn't born with and 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.280 wearing things that I felt like made me feel special 0:16:20.359 --> 0:16:20.800 or different. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.720 At this point, at what point did you become data? 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.400 Vontees from yeah, from hey, that's sweet? 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:35.200 Well, first, I'm still Heather Sweet. I never changed my attitude, 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.720 personality or my real name. I think I have a 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:42.920 fabulous name, but I it was in first I went 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.880 by just data. But in the early nineties, like nineteen 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.920 ninety one, I started working in a strip club, and 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.400 I used, like a lot of people do you're having fun, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.240 You're you know, using it, playing with the idea of 0:16:55.239 --> 0:16:57.680 an alter ego. You're trying to protect your real name 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.560 so people don't find out where you live, because you know, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.960 it was easier to find out where people and you know, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.560 it has always been easy to find out where people 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.800 live with their real name, so I feel like I 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.320 used a made up name. I used just data for that. 0:17:11.399 --> 0:17:14.439 And then a few years later I was posing for 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.840 these special editions of Playboy and they told me I 0:17:17.879 --> 0:17:19.959 had to have a last name, which I argued over 0:17:20.879 --> 0:17:23.800 and told them why couldn't I just be one name 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.279 like Madonna or Cher or whatever, and they said, no, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.040 you need a last name. So I looked in the 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.240 phone book and found this name, Von Trees, and then 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.760 it came out in the magazine and it was wrong. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.040 It said Bonteese, and I just like, I tried to 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.600 correct them again because it was like, you know, I 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.600 don't know. I wasn't like thinking, oh, strip tease Vonte's. 0:17:43.679 --> 0:17:47.239 I did not calculate that at all. It was the 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.039 name Von Trees with an R in it, and so 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.679 they kept type, you know, spelling it wrong, and I 0:17:52.679 --> 0:17:54.600 remember sending a fax to try to get it right 0:17:54.639 --> 0:17:56.439 and they're like yeah, yeah. And then finally I didn't 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.159 care and I just left it. And then I didn't 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.399 I really didn't know, you know, I was like twenty 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:02.240 two years old. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:04.480 I was so young. 0:18:04.639 --> 0:18:07.919 And I also felt that at that time, I was 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.160 just doing something fun. It was like, of course, like 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.679 a lot of women, you ever, people always scare you 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.159 when you're young, and that like threatened you about turning thirty. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:18.519 And I thought, oh, it was just like a thing 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.720 I'm doing when I'm like young, and like you know, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.080 when i'm you know, when I can take pose for 0:18:25.159 --> 0:18:27.919 pin ups and everything. So I did not anticipate that 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:32.279 it was going to be a lifelong career, that I 0:18:32.399 --> 0:18:35.080 was going to be trademarking the name Deed of Aunties, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.719 and you know, like I didn't. It wasn't like a 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.479 calculated thing. You know, if it had been, I probably 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:41.560 would have done it differently. 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:46.040 But because everything seems evident in retrospect, you know, everything 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.040 looks like a career in retrospect. But at the time 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.440 you're just making decisions based on what's fun and the 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.400 opportunity that's presented to you. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.560 It just didn't seem like it was in the cards 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.239 to be a famous burlesque star in you know, the 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.280 early nineties. No, it hadn't been It hadn't been done. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.799 No, it hadn't be No, it hadn't been done. And 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.080 this is the thing about when somebody's got a vision 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.879 that I'm so curious about that it just led you 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.040 into places, and now the world has kind of played 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.520 catch up with you because you're so at the top 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:28.119 of your game and have been for decades and so 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.600 much so. You just collaborated with Taylor Swift on her 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:36.800 dueled clip, which is a gorgeous behind the scenes of you. 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.600 She does this, She does this, she's so unself conscious 0:19:42.399 --> 0:19:46.320 and yet conscious of what she has to learn. The 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.080 clip sort of opens with her sort of thumping towards 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:54.720 the camera like loping really while you're teaching her the 0:19:55.119 --> 0:20:00.000 delicate art of immersing yourself in a Martini glass. When 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.879 you have moments like that, like, how did that feel 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.040 when you're approached to collaborate. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.679 I mean that particular time, because, like I, you know, 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:10.999 there's been some things like that in the past, but 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.239 I have to say it was very different because the 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.400 way I was approached was with respect for what I do. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.320 Because you know, I can tell you even since then, 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:27.520 I have had several emails from pop stars, people's asking, hey, 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.639 can we use your glass? Can we borrow that? We 0:20:29.679 --> 0:20:31.679 want to talk to you, you know, and I definitely 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.600 can see where I'm on the mood board, but they don't. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.359 They just they just want to use it. They're just like, oh, 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:39.439 like I'm going to use that or copy it whatever. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.719 And she approached me with something so much different, Like 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.480 she was very knowledgeable about what I do, She understood 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.080 what I did, and she wanted, you know, she wanted 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.159 to be side by side with me in that moment. 0:20:51.919 --> 0:20:54.040 And it was it was a collaboration. Every bit of 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.679 it from the shoes, you know, to the what we 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.999 wore was all you know, of my world and in 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:06.039 collaboration with the people I work with. So that's just 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.480 like an unusual thing because people usually just they just 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:14.000 watch you and imitate, you know. And so I think 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.160 it really says something about her as a performer and 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:21.159 as a woman who is willing and happy to shine 0:21:21.159 --> 0:21:24.520 the spotlight on another woman, you know, because it could 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.639 have been could have gone all different ways. And I 0:21:26.639 --> 0:21:28.560 remember when I got the call and I was just 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:32.719 like listening to the pitch idea and then suddenly Taylor 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.039 got on the phone with me and started, you know, 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.359 talking to me like a you know, like a real 0:21:37.399 --> 0:21:39.999 person instead of a pitch for a video. And so 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.959 I think it's just like it's different, and it really is. 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:47.759 I think a testament to one of the reasons I 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.520 think that she's successful and why so many people like her. 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:55.239 I think who she really is is radiates, you know, 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.359 it radiates to other people. You don't really hear You 0:21:58.399 --> 0:22:01.760 don't hear her knocking people down unless there's a real 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:02.399 good reason. 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:11.239 Say that people approach you sometimes with disrespect. Yeah, what 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.519 does that mean? Does that mean is it because they 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.360 don't understand your body of work? Or do you think 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.400 it's because of the sexual nature of the work. 0:22:20.879 --> 0:22:23.840 No, I think it's because they want to be They 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.320 don't want to credit somebody else for their idea. Well, 0:22:27.399 --> 0:22:29.919 I think it's more like, oh, that's like just like 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:31.760 or they don't want to. They don't want to they're 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.999 afraid of pay having to pay someone. You know, it 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.639 happens all the time. But I think mostly it's very like, 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.399 look at me, Look what I'm doing. Isn't it amazing? 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.760 But they don't want to. You know, like I collaborate 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:45.920 with people all the time, and I'm quick to say 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:49.840 who designed my look, who helped me with the choreography, 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.119 who designed my glasses? 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.359 You know, who makes your silk? Pajamas. 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:58.719 Yeah, yeah, I mean I think like, certainly I have 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.960 had moments where I want to do that more because 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.399 I think it's a greace thing to do to say, 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.159 Oh no, it's not all me, because I am a 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.840 do it yourself girl like I always have. But I'm 0:23:10.879 --> 0:23:14.440 hands on like I But it's like there are other 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.920 people that I like working with that are generous with 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:21.399 their They're generous with me with what they teach me, 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.159 and so I like to mention them. 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.199 And also artists are often drawn to each other. Yeah, 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.080 and it doesn't necessarily even need to be in a 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:36.200 common field or it's just there's something that they recognize. 0:23:36.879 --> 0:23:41.280 And that is what happened to you. I guess when 0:23:42.159 --> 0:23:46.720 going back to that kind of Playboy era, when you 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:53.480 were discovered or you entered the world of or you 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:59.479 were noticed by Gaultier the fashion world, and there was 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.359 a melding of that. How did that? How did that 0:24:02.399 --> 0:24:03.320 come about? 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.799 I mean I feel like it was really like like 0:24:08.159 --> 0:24:11.200 a snowballing of events because you know, I look at 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.080 the nineties is when I was doing all this Playboy 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:19.600 stuff and like headlining strip clubs across the United States 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:22.439 or flying you know, doing fetish parties in London or 0:24:22.919 --> 0:24:27.600 la or New York. And then in two thousand things shifted, 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:31.560 and it there's a few like there's a few things 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.479 that like move the needle, really, you know. But the 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.359 early two thousands, I was performing part as part of 0:24:38.399 --> 0:24:41.040 this big show in Hollywood that had all these guest 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:45.560 stars from Charlie's thereon and Christina Aguilera, when Stefani, Britney 0:24:45.679 --> 0:24:49.199 Murphy is like a huge who's who of guest stars. 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.359 And I was in this show every week with these stars, 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.399 and I got singled out as the show was really 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.479 great and so and so it's great and so, but 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:58.720 who is this girl in the glass? And that kind 0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:01.799 of like turned mate turned a corner for me. And 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.320 then it was the same time I was on the 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.520 cover of the Christmas issue of Playboy, which this is 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:11.759 a time in Playboy history when everyone knew what was 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.560 happening on the cover of Playboy, Like that was the 0:25:13.639 --> 0:25:17.639 Pam Anderson, Anna, Nicole Smith, like Drew barrymore like big 0:25:17.679 --> 0:25:19.840 stars were on the cover of Playboy. So I got 0:25:19.879 --> 0:25:22.040 a lot of attention for that because my cover was 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:26.119 so striking and different than what was usually on it. Yes, 0:25:26.919 --> 0:25:30.879 and then then it was I got hired. I think 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.399 Mark Jacobs did a lot for me because he was 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.320 currently at that time, he was at Louis Vauton, right 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.999 and he brought me over to perform at several I 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.800 performed did a whole string of events for Louis Vauton, 0:25:43.879 --> 0:25:47.080 including the opening of their flagship store in Paris at 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.999 the Grand Peleis. It was like a huge thing. And 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:54.119 then Jean Paul Gautier brought you know, was a fan. 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.279 He actually had my Playboy cover. So it was kind 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.159 of like all these things that happened in the early 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.959 two thousands, so I was very lucky about all that, 0:26:02.639 --> 0:26:06.639 well lucky my but maybe well, you know, it was 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.439 just like a time. I also came out with my 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:12.320 first book, and that really was a big made a 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.639 big splash because it was a very unique book. 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:17.840 Yes for as time, which was kind of glamor. It 0:26:17.879 --> 0:26:19.400 was glamor, yeah, it was. 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.320 The first one was called Burlesque in the Art of 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.760 the Tees, and the flip side was Fetish in the 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:25.719 Art of the Teas, and I really spoke about like 0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:29.160 what it is about burlesque and glamour and even fetishism 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.959 that I love so much. And so that book was 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:34.879 a big, big, like four hundred page book and it 0:26:34.919 --> 0:26:39.119 was put out by HarperCollins and it was a pretty 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.000 you know, it was a big deal for a huge 0:26:41.159 --> 0:26:43.239 picture book in full color to come out like that 0:26:43.399 --> 0:26:47.159 with that much like with a huge publisher behind it. 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:51.400 Don't go anywhere after the break Dita. She is why 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:55.800 she had no hesitation telling her family she was working 0:26:55.800 --> 0:27:01.880 in a strip club at eighteen. When we go back 0:27:01.919 --> 0:27:05.159 to when you started in strip clubs, hers to me 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.119 that that is often a conversation that you've got to 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.840 have with your family. Yeah, yeah, that your life is 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.639 taking that turn. And you had so there were three 0:27:14.679 --> 0:27:19.080 sisters in the family. Yes, how was that conversation when 0:27:19.159 --> 0:27:23.000 you said to your sisters and your mom or who 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:26.399 did you have the conversation with I've got this job. Yeah, 0:27:26.399 --> 0:27:28.399 well I'm gonna be playing in this club. 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.439 Here's the deal. And I was always kind of like 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.000 a shy, quiet girl, but there's certain moments where I'm 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.959 not okay, So listen, I started working when I was 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.840 twelve years old. Okay, I'm working from the second I'm 0:27:43.879 --> 0:27:49.120 allowed to, like first, like cleaning toilets at a ballet studio. 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:53.399 Then I'm like working putting tags on things and things 0:27:53.399 --> 0:27:56.439 in a store, you know, like, and by the time 0:27:56.679 --> 0:28:00.520 I was eighteen years old, I had a real job, 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.719 I had credit cards that I paid for myself. I 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.640 was completely self sufficient. So by the time anybody could 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.200 say a word about what I had to do, I'd 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.680 be like, oh, really, like I mean, to my parents, 0:28:13.159 --> 0:28:16.280 I did not care. I was like, I'm a grown woman, 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.639 and oh did I miss the part where you said 0:28:19.639 --> 0:28:21.159 that you were going to send me to college? 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:21.720 Right? 0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.759 Yeah? I was pretty like I have to say, I 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:26.840 felt I knew, as you can probably hear from my 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:30.560 voice a little bit like a little like really like 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.200 nobody was going to tell me as an eighteen year 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:37.239 old woman who was totally self sufficient, not did not 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:42.120 take a dime from my parents past the age of fifteen, 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.280 So you know, I was never I wasn't. I didn't 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:48.200 really care what anybody said. 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:52.560 And was there some resistance or in the face of yeah, 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.920 like you said your autonomy, they kind of yeah. 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.280 I think it was kind of like I had to 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.920 kind of like say like, well, you know, I'm trying 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:06.120 to do this thing, because yeah, like they knew they 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.040 found out I was working in a strip club. I 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.600 was posing for pin ups and all this stuff, and 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.040 on paper it looks a little weird, but I was 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:17.160 kind of like thinking, I'm trying to be like Gypsy 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.840 rose Lee and Betty Page, like my idols, and I 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.920 saw it that way, and certainly the material looks that way, 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:29.520 so you know, I felt I think I felt like, yeah, 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:31.719 I'm trying to explain it. And you know, it was 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.880 harder for me, obviously than a lot of other people 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:39.039 might find it today, because you know, I didn't really 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.400 have any living examples of what I was trying to do. 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.120 I was sort of like, well, I want to be 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.560 like this person, but yeah, I know everybody's been dead 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:48.760 for a long time, but this is what I want 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:50.440 to do. What I believe in is I want to 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:53.479 be the next big burlesque star like Gypsy Roselee or 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.200 Lily Saint Cyr And I was doing that. But you 0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:01.640 know it's funny, though. Is the point where my dad 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.240 like accepted it was when I was on the cover 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.920 play because guess what he grow he was what he was. 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.920 That's where I got the magazine. Like dads of that 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.920 are like age like sixty and seventy and eighty probably 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.200 had a playboy hidden in the house. You know, It's 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.360 like it kind of legitimized me in a way to 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:24.360 my father especially, which is a funny thing. But yeah, 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.920 I mean I don't have a religious family. And I know, 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.040 in saying all this, like I certainly could have had 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.120 like a religious family, but I didn't, you know. 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:36.600 So yeah, but somehow as well, I mean I understand. 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.320 And that's a strange form of logic that your dad 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.479 would have had, was this, Yeah, look if my my 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:47.800 daughter's yes, uh stripa and look how successful she's. Yeah, 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:48.800 she's the beast. 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.120 I mean, he's like that. Now, it can be a 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.600 little embarrassing where I'm like, oh, you know, I don't 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:58.719 always feel totally comfortable when my family is watching, you know, 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.720 my show. But I have to separate hea they're sweet, 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:06.200 from what my job is and and you know, being 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.759 at my very best for the three thousand people in 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.640 the room, I have to very much be like, it's 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.520 not my problem. It's not my problem, it's their problem 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.760 if they have a problem. So and I think I've 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.640 thought that, you know, I've learned that a lot along 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.999 the way. You know, I used to work in a 0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.120 lingerie store when I was a teenager, and I remember 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.519 this very well, and my father, you know, I used 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.719 to wash my things. I have nice laundry because I 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.320 worked in a beautiful lingerie store and I was, you know, 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:35.959 seventeen eighteen. 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.400 That's a great job at that idea. 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.959 Yeah, it's great, But look at it this way. I 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.320 remember I hung you said, like, hang all my things 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:48.440 to dry in my room, and my dad was furious 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.959 and he kicked me out of the house. Wow for 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:53.720 this lingerie. And I remember being like, oh, I get it. 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:59.040 This is his problem. This is how he perceives lingerie. 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.200 It is for you know, it's forbidden. 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.560 It's forbidden, and it's he it's what he thinks of 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:09.360 women who wear lingerie. So I was very like, Okay, 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:13.600 I get it, you know, but and it is sometimes 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:15.960 you have to think like that in terms of like, oh, 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.920 this is other people's conditioning and it is not. You know, 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.440 all that matters is like how I feel about it. 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.560 You know, I know who I am, but you kind 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.480 of have to you know, we all experience that through 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.680 life where people don't approve of what we're doing, and 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:35.840 it's a little bit like yeah, it can be a 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:36.600 bit of an eye roll. 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:41.680 But also there's something when you mention at the time, 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:45.680 like who the other sort of Playboy covers were. There 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.880 was a lot of bruised lives at that time, particularly 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.760 if you say like Anna Nicole Smith or whatever. There 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:57.160 was a certain degree of dysfunction external internal, whereas you 0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:01.840 seem to have a wholesomeness Oh well, I mean it's 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:07.120 at your core stability, at your CoA. Well you like 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:08.120 that at the time. 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.280 I guess. But I was also pretty wild too, Like 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.320 I mean, when I look back, it's like, I'm very 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:18.239 I've always been very responsible, but you know, like, no, 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:20.239 the same kind of thing didn't happen to me that 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.840 happened in Anna Nicole Smith. But you know, I was 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:25.959 going out partying. I worked in the rave scene, you 0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:28.440 know who. I worked in the rave scene. I was 0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:30.600 out all night, and I was up all night, and 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.040 I was like, you know, I was just doing a 0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.999 different kind of drugs if I'm honest, you know, like 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:39.040 I wasn't doing addictive drugs, but I was using mind 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:42.959 altering drugs, you know. And I think, like I don't 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.640 think it was like a bad path at all. It's 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:47.600 part of like, hey, what are the ways you come 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:51.000 up with all this creative stuff? You know, I think 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.280 like I don't know, I just don't like to say, oh, 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:57.440 ann Nicole Smith, you know. Or I mentioned Pam Anderson 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.680 as another person that was a big playboy mom at 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.800 that time, like look at her. She's not like she partied, 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.400 she had fun, but like she's a super responsible, lovely 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.080 woman and did not come out of that like scathed, 0:34:10.240 --> 0:34:10.440 you know. 0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:14.680 So, but she also had that really bruising episode with 0:34:14.759 --> 0:34:17.319 the release of the Type with Tommy Lee. Do you 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:22.040 know what I mean? Like, yeah, but did she Oh okay, 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:23.439 well I guess. 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.719 Yeah, I mean it wasn't Maybe it wasn't great, but 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:30.319 I'm sure now looking back, she's like, you know, it's 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.440 truth and it probably wasn't great. Like we I listen, 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.000 you know, I'm friends with Pam. I'm friends with her. 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.600 I don't think like I think she had a sense 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.240 of humor about everything, and I think that she looks 0:34:42.279 --> 0:34:44.480 back and like, yeah, it wasn't all great, but it 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.880 isn't tragic, Like who showed me one person that doesn't 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.040 have some stuff that you're like, oh that was not great. 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.680 You know, we all have that, and I think I 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.040 think it would be like to make an example of that. 0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:00.000 It's you know, I never saw the tape. 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.960 But oh that I saw the type. And do you 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:09.320 know what? The type was so spectacular. It was so 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:15.560 spectacular that even in her most unguarded moments, she was magnificent. 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:17.720 That's what I'm saying. 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:18.919 It's like, I get it. 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.359 Do we really think she looks back and sees that 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:23.999 as something horrible? I mean, it was not great, right, 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.640 but by what happened, And of course she should have 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.200 been the one to make money off of it. But 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.959 and there was more of the one tape right right, right. 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.600 But the thing is someone's always making money of it 0:35:34.799 --> 0:35:37.800 off it. Yes, And as I guess we've learned recently, 0:35:37.799 --> 0:35:42.200 more recently with Kim Kardashian, it's like her family decision was, well, 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:43.399 it may as well be us. 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:47.239 Yeah, she had a sex tape. Parasitalt had a sex tape. Yeah, 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:52.359 I think I keep under light I might, but guess what, 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:53.600 nobody's gonna see it? 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:56.960 Well, everybody thinks nobody's gonna say it. 0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.640 Yeah, you know, I'll save it from my autobiography. 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:02.040 Is there going to be one? 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:07.440 Yeah? But not until I feel very liberated and free 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:09.839 to say everything I want to say. I don't want 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:11.120 to hurt anybody's feelings. 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.240 You know, you know when you speak about the past, 0:36:14.279 --> 0:36:18.320 and I'm actually well a significant lover from your past, 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:23.160 which is Marilyn Manson, you always speak so graciously about him. 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:24.920 Well not always. If you were to talk to me 0:36:25.279 --> 0:36:27.319 twenty years ago, I would not I have gotten a 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.799 gracious version. And also it goes up and down. It's 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:34.719 like very like periods of that, like knowing him that 0:36:34.759 --> 0:36:37.439 I've been like, I've said things that are not very 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:38.000 nice too. 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:42.319 Right when you met each other, because I saw you 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.960 on a British show, I think it was Loose Women, 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.200 and you said this thing that was so amazing. I 0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.399 wrote it down. You said that, and I think they 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:54.440 were talking about your look, and you said, a strong 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.480 look weeds out the week. And then you said and 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.160 by week, I mean mean I don't want to hit 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:01.520 on me. 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:06.879 Yeah, I mean that's a funny lesson I learned. When 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.480 you know, a few times on Halloween, I dress up 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.840 as like I wear like a blonde or a brown wig, 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.080 and I wear a beige makeup and take off the 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:20.719 red nail polish and wear like normal, normal clothes. 0:37:20.799 --> 0:37:21.719 That's your halloween. 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.960 Yeah, that's my halloween. And I do notice it's a 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.799 very it's a psychological experiment for me because you know, 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.799 I get treated very differently when I'm dressed like that, 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:37.200 and I noticed, I get you know, I'm going to 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:41.040 use the word preyed upon by men who normally would 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.239 not approach me. So it's just a funny thing. It's 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.000 like a funny experiment that. 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.600 You say, more accessible, more available. 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.840 Yeah, or less high maintenance, because I've also heard from 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:54.839 men they're like afraid of me because they think I'm 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:55.480 high maintenance. 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.680 And I'm like, okay, but when you meet Marilyn Manson, 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:02.080 obviously he was not intimidated by the look. 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.640 I mean I have lots of I had lots of 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.040 friends who were not intimidated by the look, and lots 0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.839 of partners who were not intimidated by my look. Well, 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.640 I mean never never did I do I really have 0:38:13.759 --> 0:38:17.360 like a relationship that was a significant one that somebody 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.960 was not you know, didn't like my look? 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.000 No, of course, I mean that's an integral part of 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.719 having a relationship with someone, is it you have to 0:38:26.279 --> 0:38:31.160 did you like his look, because I found that contacts 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:32.920 in the Laala. It was a lot. 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.879 I mean, I don't like to just talk about that 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.600 relationship because first of all, I was twenty five years ago, 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.719 but secondly, like it becomes like a part of my 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.719 identity that I don't think is fair, because it's just 0:38:45.799 --> 0:38:48.399 becomes like a little bit dismissive of me as a 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.800 person instead of like one of many famous people, because 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.160 I don't advertise the famous people that I've dated in 0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:56.240 the last thirty years. 0:38:56.279 --> 0:38:58.440 But well, you know, you could always put Burley in 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.480 the water by mentioning the other famous people as well. 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.280 Yeah, and do that now. I'm saving that for myself, 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.879 my own clickbait, maybe even a book or something. But 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:08.480 do you you know what I mean? It just feels 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:10.800 like I've been asked about this since I've been divorced 0:39:10.799 --> 0:39:14.120 for over twenty years now, and so people ask me 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.160 about it and or but yeah, it's twenty years. It's 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.279 crazy to talk about it. Nobody wants to talk about 0:39:19.279 --> 0:39:21.319 their boyfriend from twenty five years ago, do they? 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:25.080 Yeah, I guess that's true. But I think the reason 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:28.279 that it's still gone as so much interest is that 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.600 it brought you to the world in a different light, 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.759 like a lot of people came to know you through 0:39:35.799 --> 0:39:36.320 that era. 0:39:36.799 --> 0:39:40.240 Right. Well, again, like I've been doing, you know, doing 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.920 what I do longer than that. But you know, I 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.200 just kind of keep my relationships as quiet as I 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:48.239 can because it's really like I've felt how hard it 0:39:48.279 --> 0:39:50.080 can be because it is fun for people to talk 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.640 about it, but then you have to remember I'm a 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:56.400 real person with real feelings, that does, you know, and 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.880 people forget that. They're like, it's not that easy always 0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.200 for me to talk about you know, no, and like 0:40:01.279 --> 0:40:04.239 he's married to somebody else and I'm with somebody else. 0:40:04.279 --> 0:40:05.919 It just this is like a little bit like, oh, 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.319 why does this have to be at this stage of 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.520 my life, Like this big thing that I'm forced to 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:12.720 talk about. 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.480 Well, it's part of the journey, I guess of you. 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:18.080 But we don't have to talk about it. I mean 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.959 it's it's yeah, we've established Yeah. 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:23.560 I just want, as we're having a very open conversation, 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:25.879 I just like to explain why it's a weird thing 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.120 to talk about, because I think it's a little I 0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.279 had a journalist say to me the other day and 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.480 she actually said, I want to apologize to you. And 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.840 I said, well for what And she said, I interviewed 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:36.799 you ten years ago and I kept asking you why 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.560 you didn't have children and hammering you about this, and 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:41.560 I was like oh, And she's like, I was really 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.120 wrong to ask you about that. And I keep waiting 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.160 wondering when people are going to think realize it's wrong 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:48.080 to ask me about like the demise of a marriage. 0:40:48.279 --> 0:40:53.160 You know, did you remember that conversation when the journalist apologize. 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.399 Because it gets asked all the time. People have been 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:59.279 asking me that for as long as I've been famous, 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.440 you know, Like so it's like one of the questions 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:02.920 and you just think, oh, what a weird thing to 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.280 ask someone. And now now the question instead of being 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.160 about having children, now people are asking me, which is 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:13.640 crazy too, about like perimenopause. And I'm like, oh, are 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:16.560 you asking me about my Now you're gonna now you're 0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.600 gonna ask me about the state of my reproductive organs 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.960 and what they're doing. That's so crazy. I'd like to 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:24.360 talk about my work. 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.680 You know, well, I think also because your work is 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.680 I don't know what the right word is. It's not sexual. 0:41:31.759 --> 0:41:36.360 I don't think it's sexual. It's sexy, but it's not sexual. 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.280 It's anyway. 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:40.440 I mean, it's a complicated I guess because it is 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:45.080 like very female forward and I have a big queer audience, 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.759 and it's like it is very it's not like sexy 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.640 under the male gaze. So I think, like that's what 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.880 for me and for what I know about my audience, 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.520 there is interest in talking to me about beauty and 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:02.680 exercise and health and stuff like that. And I wrote 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:04.719 a beauty book. But yeah, it's just like a funny thing. 0:42:04.799 --> 0:42:08.600 How like it's interesting to see what the questions like 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.719 that that you go, oh wow. I wasn't ready to 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.560 talk about that today. I was just thinking about Feathers 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:14.760 and rain Stars. 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.360 Coming up. After the break, Dita talks about the difference 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:25.280 between performing for her fans and performing for the male games. 0:42:28.799 --> 0:42:32.600 I think it resonates with women because I think particularly now, 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.920 you know, we were talking earlier about how these are 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:38.920 kind of a flattening of how particularly young women look, 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.040 you know, the hoodies and the thing, and that it's 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:46.759 almost asexual in a way. And because you have presented 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:51.279 this these age old manifestations of what beauty and femininity 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.200 and grace can look like in a very stylized way. 0:42:54.799 --> 0:42:58.759 I think there's a real appetite from women. Forget the 0:42:58.759 --> 0:43:02.760 male gaze. I don't actually when I watch your work, 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.239 it's not that men cannot appre as we know. 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:08.680 Right, Like, it's not something I think about. And there's 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.640 been times, like in the recently where I've been like 0:43:12.759 --> 0:43:15.920 performing in a different atmosphere than usual and then like, 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:19.520 oh wow, I didn't. It's a total shift, you know, 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.399 like it happens so sometimes and I go, oh wow, 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:25.319 I forgot how this How different this is. 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.520 You when you say the shift, is it with the 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:29.800 male audience. 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:34.160 Or yeah, Like maybe sometime in the last like few years, 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.400 there's two occasions I was like, oh, and I was 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.560 one of them was performing in like Hong Kong at 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.160 a private members club and it was definitely male, and 0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.759 I was like, oh wow, I forgot about this. 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:52.000 You know that weed silence, that weed silence that when 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:52.640 the men alive. 0:43:52.759 --> 0:43:55.319 Yeah, like it's just different. Oh, this is sexy, And 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:58.160 so I remember being like, well, shift into sexy for men, 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.600 you know, like I remember how it feels, and it's 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.960 kind of fun, right because it's just a different feeling 0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:06.960 than going on stage in a historic theater with like, 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:11.759 you know, thirty five hundred like fans, and then as 0:44:11.759 --> 0:44:15.479 opposed to you know, performing my glass act in front 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:20.560 of like a men's a private high members club for men. 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.000 I was like, oh, this is so different, but it's funny, 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:24.919 you know, it's just a funny shift where you can 0:44:25.279 --> 0:44:27.839 you can always feel the energy of an audience, and 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.799 it just reminded me of when I was, you know, 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:34.440 much younger in the nineties when I was doing that 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.359 in strip clubs. But yeah, it was like, it's an 0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.400 interesting mindset where you're like, oh, it's different, this is different. 0:44:40.799 --> 0:44:45.680 And then the women, because you're beloved of women, the 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:50.760 energy from that feels like what in comparison. 0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:53.719 There's just a different like feeling. I think part of 0:44:53.759 --> 0:44:56.239 it is because I do have the knowledge of no, 0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:00.520 you know, interacting with my fans verbally or the letters 0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.680 they send me, and I do have an understanding of 0:45:03.759 --> 0:45:07.800 where a lot of the like meaning for people comes from, 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.640 whether it's watching me or just watching the show that 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:15.480 I'm presenting, which tends to be you know, the best 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:18.320 bur lesqued performers in the world that are different types 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.000 of people than me. I don't it's not like a 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.400 just a girly show. I've always tried to cast like 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:26.319 the show with regard for people who I think are 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.879 really interesting and different and unique. So I feel like 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.919 it's you can feel that there is like something, there's 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:35.879 a reason people are coming to a show like this, 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.160 and it's not just to like watch, you know, me 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.359 do a striptease. I think it does have like the 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:47.080 backstory of the books I've written, or my lingerie brand, 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:49.719 or the things that I say that maybe resonate with 0:45:49.799 --> 0:45:54.440 other people. Me giving permission for people to embrace their 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:59.080 erotic side, their sensual side, to permission to wear cat 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.640 I eyeliner and red lipstick in a world where it's 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:06.399 not altogether been always acceptable. You know, sometimes you get 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.719 made fun of for those things. So I think there's 0:46:08.759 --> 0:46:11.480 things different things resonate for different people, you know. So 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.359 it's definitely I think it's part of the key to 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:17.520 my longevity is that it's more than just you know, 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:18.959 a burlesque show. 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:23.080 Yes, and I think people also love that about you. 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.520 You know, women particularly get the message that these are 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.520 used by date or that you know, after a certain date, 0:46:30.759 --> 0:46:33.520 we sort of shrivel up like a piece of desiccated coconut, 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:38.760 you know, and then to see you now in your 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:44.760 like third decade of bringing this, it's quite inspirational. 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:49.239 Well, first of all, let me say, dried coconut is 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:55.439 tastier than we all know that. It's tastier dehydrated with 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.879 a little bit of sweetener on it. Anyway, I'm a 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.359 big coconut fan. Yeah, I mean I think like when 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:05.040 I was first creating my shows and casting other formers 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.959 around me, I definitely, you know, I didn't really think 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.720 about diversity and inclusion. I certainly didn't think about age 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:16.999 diversity at that time, like you know, two decades ago. 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:18.759 You don't have to when you're young. 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:20.680 Right, right, You don't think about it all when you're 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.759 young until you're in it and you're like, oh, this 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:26.359 is matters and yeah, and I you know, I have 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:31.960 definitely been guilty of conditioning when it comes to myself. 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:34.600 Like I said, not that long ago, I said to 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:38.200 my bosses and Las Vegas, the Venetian, I said, for 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:41.359 you know, my show is going on two years there, 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.799 and I said, oh, maybe this show could be like 0:47:43.799 --> 0:47:46.000 a standalone and we can hire other, like, you know, 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:48.359 younger dancers to do my parts and then they can 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:50.640 just be a beautiful, like sexy, standalone show. And they 0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.960 were like, no, yes, people want to see you, and 0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.680 I was like they do, you know, So I'm kind 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.600 of always like checking myself to make sure, you know, 0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:03.799 like I but it is. It is an interesting thing, 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:07.759 and I feel very lucky to be performing through this 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:12.239 like different phases of life, and definitely lucky to see, like, 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.480 you know, what it means for people to see I'm 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.160 fifty three, what it means for people. But you know, 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.719 when I look out into the audience and I see 0:48:20.759 --> 0:48:23.120 people of all ages and younger people who are just 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:26.719 learning about burlesque, and you know, my show is the 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:31.560 you know, there's not another show like mine anywhere else. 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.719 So a lot of young people come to see it. 0:48:34.279 --> 0:48:36.480 And then the people who are are older or my 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.000 age or you know that have been watching me for 0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.719 twenty five years, and so I just think, like it 0:48:41.759 --> 0:48:44.640 does matter, like I have to when it comes to 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:48.520 like diversity. I've had a choice, and I have retired 0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:52.319 myself a couple times. And then one day I thought like, oh, 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:55.440 what if you just keep like evolving your art and 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:59.560 keep evolving and learning new things and becoming better and 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.640 making the show bigger and bigger and bigger. And that's 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:03.959 kind of what my goal has been. Like a few 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.279 years ago, I put in like a you know, a 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:10.200 big ballroom dance number strip tease after I did Dancing 0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:11.919 with the Stars, and I was like, let's do this 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:15.359 with the clothes cut flying off and you know, or 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:19.440 like with infusing the grand illusions into my show, with 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:23.520 putting magic in the show, it's learning magic tricks is 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.160 very difficult. So I thought, I'm going to challenge myself 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:28.839 and I'm going to bring together new things and new 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.680 elements into my show because I don't think it's just 0:49:32.759 --> 0:49:36.919 about like looking a certain way, like I mean, I think, 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:40.840 you know, I feel strong. I think I feel confident 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:45.080 on stage. I don't feel like, of course, if I 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.240 don't feel like I want to be taking my clothes 0:49:48.279 --> 0:49:50.680 off on stage, I won't. But I keep thinking like, 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:53.760 oh wow, okay, why was I so afraid of forty? 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:58.600 Why was I so afraid of fifty? Now? You know, 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.680 like it just is I get it, Like, you know, 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.600 I do not think I'm going to be like parading 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:08.719 around on stage wearing with a sixty five pound Swarowski 0:50:08.759 --> 0:50:13.200 crystallized costume. When I'm, you know, seventy eighty, I don't 0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:16.279 think that's going up to the boy. How would I know? 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.600 You know, don't I don't. I've always been wrong, you know. 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:23.600 We put this idea in young women's heads from when 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:27.479 we are seventeen years old. They always say, oh, you're 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.120 going to be twenty. Oh, you're going to be twenty five, 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:33.160 you're halfway to thirty, you're going to be thirty, you're 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.799 getting older. What are you going to do when you're forty? Oh, 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:39.040 it's all going to be over That's how we are 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:41.480 trained to think. And I wish we could get rid 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:45.560 of that. I wish we could stop teaching women, especially 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:48.640 that they're over the hill as soon as they turn thirty, 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.000 and getting us afraid of every decade, you know, And 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:52.600 so it is my I feel like it's kind of 0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:55.239 my job to be up there going here. I am 0:50:55.279 --> 0:50:58.320 at fifty, I'm wearing a gee string and pasties. Don't 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.200 be afraid, you know, Like it's just like a thing 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.839 where you're taught to be afraid. And I would like 0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:05.319 that not for the way to be. 0:51:05.799 --> 0:51:09.600 Where do you think that comes from? Because it's not 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:12.320 you know, we were talking about the male gaze before 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:16.000 and actually saying that doesn't necessarily align with the truth 0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.520 of what you do or who appreciates you. I don't 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:23.600 think that fear of aging comes from men either necessarily. 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.640 I think women also do it to each other. 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.040 Well you know what, I was just thinking, Yes, I 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.440 think it's women, but also please know And I had 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.719 this conversation this morning when I was looking through like 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.239 a book of like I get this beauty magazine and 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.680 it had all these like clastic surgery before and afters, 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:41.480 and there's a lot of men that have facelifts. And 0:51:41.799 --> 0:51:44.160 my partner said, oh, yeah, but it's like a lot 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:45.800 of gay meen. And I was like, okay, wait, let's 0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:48.560 talk about that for a second. It is a lot 0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:52.080 of gay men that are getting work done. What does 0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:55.879 that say about the being male driven? Because I don't 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:59.239 hear about any lesbians. Kid, you don't hear about many 0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:04.279 but lesbians getting right. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm just spitballing 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:07.480 again I had today. I have not like researched it 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:08.960 before I talked about him, But do you know what 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.200 I'm saying, It's like, we don't really talk about like 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:13.879 one of my best friends in the world is a 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:16.319 butcher lesbian, and it would never occur to her or 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:18.959 any of her friends that they are going to get 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.560 a facelift. However, I have a lot of gay male 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.719 friends who are getting facelifts, yes, who feel that sign. 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.120 What is this is it? Maybe? Could it maybe be 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:33.400 men in general that are a little more youth obsessed 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:36.000 than anybody else? I don't know. I don't know the answer, 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.440 and I know it could be is a generalization always, 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:40.200 but I'm just just a thought. 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:42.959 So the conversation, this is what we're going to take 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:45.439 a while, and this is going to be the headline. 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.400 Dejavonte says, be more lesbian. 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:53.480 No, if only we could. We can't. We can't. We 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.040 don't get to decide who we're with, right. 0:52:56.320 --> 0:53:01.480 Yeah, Hey, you're coming to Australia next g Yes, I am, 0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:03.800 which is very thrilling. 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.519 I'm excited. It's been seven years since I've been there 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:06.879 with my. 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:12.480 Show and you're playing big venues. Yes, what is the 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:15.120 the theme of these shows? So you don't really talk 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:16.080 in your shows? 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:19.439 No, I don't, and you know I've been I get 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:22.359 pressured sometimes too, but I always think like, oh, you 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:26.000 know what though it's kind of like in Las Vegas, 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:27.920 I don't have a host at all, but on the 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:30.000 tours I have a host because it is like a 0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:32.600 big there are big crowds, and I like the host, 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:36.040 like holding things together. Yes, but I do think it's 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:39.200 a little bit like going to a ballet performance or 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.440 it's a dance performance, and I like the feeling and 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:47.080 the idea of like telling a story without talking, you know, 0:53:47.759 --> 0:53:50.360 I don't know, It's like I like it also because 0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:54.480 it is a unique perspective and you can go to 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:57.440 a show from a singer and they'll talk to you 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.839 and tell you some stories and stuff. But I don't know. 0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:02.839 I like that you love it when they tell the story, Yes. 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.719 Totally, but I don't. I don't know. I feel like 0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:10.279 I like the idea of I have a tendency to 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:12.600 pivot whenever I see what everybody else is doing. And 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.719 I just like a variety show, like a fun variety show. 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:20.120 When the curtains close, they open again on a new story. 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:24.200 Then that story's over, they open again on another new story. Right. Yeah, 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.520 So like the only times I've really talked in my 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:29.520 show is like you hear my voiceover, like all the 0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:32.080 voiceovers are my voice, or there's songs that have my 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:36.080 voice in them. But yeah, generally, I don't know. I 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:39.520 guess I just like that it's a different, different perspective 0:54:39.759 --> 0:54:43.320 and a different different thing, like I don't see myself 0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:46.120 like putting out a microphone and talking. 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:50.600 You know, I don't know people would love it. 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:51.640 Well, we'll see. 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:53.719 And I actually think you would. I think you would 0:54:53.759 --> 0:54:54.160 love it. 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.279 Maybe that'll be my next phase of life. I mean 0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:58.560 maybe because even when I see like magicians, I really 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:01.600 like who do talk through the illusions? I actually because 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:05.399 I've been studying magic, the magic world. I really love 0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:06.920 actually the ones who come out and do it to 0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:09.080 music and they don't say anything, do you know the 0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:11.120 ones they have a beautiful music and it's all like 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.960 it's is dance and like you can read the thoughts 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.919 on their face. Like I love this. I like disappearing 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:20.759 into this like fantasy that isn't like somebody talking and 0:55:20.799 --> 0:55:23.040 waking you up and telling you what they're going to do. 0:55:24.279 --> 0:55:25.480 What magic are you learning? 0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:29.480 Well, I don't want to spoil it the surprises because. 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:31.160 Okay, are you getting swored in half? 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.600 No? No, I'm kind of like, you know, I can 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:39.560 tell you this When you mentioned like the magician sawing 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:44.400 somebody in half, I've taken these kind of old tropes 0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:47.319 like that and I'm flipping the script on them. So 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:51.240 we've all seen the show girl getting sawed in half. Well, 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:54.920 I'm gonna saw somebody else in half. Maybe you know 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:57.479 I'm not going to. I'm just telling you, like I've 0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:00.279 put I put a lot of thought into like what 0:56:00.279 --> 0:56:02.759 do I how do I make this different? Like? And 0:56:02.799 --> 0:56:05.760 I've even asked magician friends of mine, like, we've seen 0:56:05.759 --> 0:56:08.920 the male magician doing this to the show girl, but 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:12.080 have we seen a woman doing this to the show boy? 0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:16.239 And They're like no. So this is kind of my 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.920 perspective of where I'm taking things is like just a 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:22.200 little bit like different, you know, a little bit. 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:25.600 Do you know what? I'm not surprised data you were 0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:27.160 taking things in a different direction. 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:29.319 Yeah. I just thought it would be fun to try 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.640 something new. And I love to make like a themed 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:35.120 variety show. And I like the challenge of magic because 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.919 it is like it's really complicated and hard, but really 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.719 fun to work on it with these I've befriended a 0:56:41.759 --> 0:56:44.880 lot of different magicians. I live near the Magic Castle, 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.640 which is here in Hollywood, And of course. 0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:52.680 I know it's amazing, isn't it great? It's incredible? Yeah, 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:56.800 And so it's so magical, it's so perfect a castle. 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.120 Yeah. And I'm friends with many of those magicians, and 0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:03.239 I'm friends with magicians in Vegas, so it's it's like 0:57:03.279 --> 0:57:05.480 a fun little thing for me to talk to all 0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:07.920 of them about like what they think I should do 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.040 and how I should do it. And some of the 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.839 illusions are a lot more complicated and difficult than some 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:14.480 of the others. 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:19.000 Is it protected knowledge? Like how do you learn from 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:20.600 a magician because they raise that? 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.640 Yeah. I mean, I've been lucky enough that like two 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.720 of the illusions I'm doing, I was taught by some 0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:29.280 master magicians who I saw actually perform at the Magic Castle, 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.360 and I start and I found out they were following me, 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:33.720 and then I started working with them, right, and they 0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:37.720 taught me two of their illusions, you know, or you 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:39.960 can kind of say like I and I don't want 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.120 to spoil any surprises, but I said, I have this 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:45.520 idea that I want to do this, and then they go, hmm, 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:48.360 let me think about that and come back to you. 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:51.360 And then they'll come back with like it's like detective work, 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.640 like they go, here's the three different ways we can 0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:57.360 maybe do it. And so that's kind of how it works. 0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:00.439 It's like you come up with fantastical ideas and then 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:02.960 somebody says, like you could do it, but it's you 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.720 need this, that and the other. Some of it is 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:09.280 like you know, equipment, some of it is just practicing 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:13.280 and like you know it's smoking mirrors, right, But yeah, 0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:15.480 Like so I just kind of came up with a 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.560 few different things that I wanted to do, and I've 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:22.960 consult consulted with six or seven different magicians. Some people 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:26.880 build these illusions and some people perform them, and some 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.360 people are the ones that used to perform that maybe 0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:34.280 just coach people. So I have. Yeah, it's like a 0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:38.360 combo of like maybe uh probably like in general for 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:40.800 magicians who are really coaching me on. 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:44.080 This, I think this is your next incarnation. This is 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:45.120 like it could be. 0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:46.920 I did say that. I said one day, I go, 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.960 should I be a magician in my into my sixties? 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:53.680 And they're like you already are, but yes, why don't 0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:55.560 you feel? Yeah? I feel free? 0:58:55.720 --> 0:59:02.240 And also right costume, yeah, data Vonte as magician magnificent costumes. 0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:04.280 Yeah, I mean I like that, you know it. A 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:08.480 lot of things are about how you present them, you know, 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:10.200 so I love. 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:14.600 That everything nearly everything is about how you present it. Really, 0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:17.400 I mean it has to have a heart, but everything 0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:20.240 is Shakespeare's seed is entrances and exits. 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:23.720 Yeah, I like that. Well, this could be my next ye, 0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:26.400 my next thing. But I do keep saying to people, 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:29.320 don't worry, I'm not quitting my day job. This is 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:34.680 a burlesque show with some punchlines of magic in it, 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:37.360 so I'm still people are still going to see me 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.240 do the best of what I do. It's just a 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:42.120 little moments that are extra magical. 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.200 And also, don't forget your day job is a night job. 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:48.320 Yeah, exactly, Well it is really a day job because 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:50.720 you can't see it. But I have a whole table 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:53.439 full of to do lists that are my day job, 0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:54.760 which leads to the night. 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:59.040 Job, I'm sure. And even just your if your day 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:02.800 job was nothing more than your beautiful house, which I 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:07.240 think our produce A Bree was has been Architectural Digest's 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:09.560 most popular video that they've made. 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:12.800 Oh really, yeah, it's still the most popular. 1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:18.320 Spectacular thank you and a true kind of fusion of 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:23.520 your artistry and your sweet self. Thank you, thank you 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:26.080 as you have been and I thank you for sharing 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:29.840 yourself within you no filter, and we can't wait to 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:33.400 see you in Australia. Will you bring your partner with you? 1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:34.720 Will Adam come with you? 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:38.520 Oh no, he probably won't come. It's so far and 1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:41.440 he works, and I don't know. I always think, like, 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:45.360 I mean, he's never been to Australia or New Zealand. 1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:48.280 And I know it is really exciting for people, but 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:51.360 it is. It's like a big long haul, as you know. 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:53.520 All the more reason to bring company. 1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:56.840 I know it's true. We'll see, we'll see. I'll check 1:00:56.880 --> 1:00:57.240 with him. 1:00:57.440 --> 1:01:01.760 And when you do come. There's an Australian delicacy. It's 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:07.200 as called a Lamington, which she is a beautiful sponge 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:14.160 rolled in chocolate icing and then rolled in desiccated coconut. 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:15.440 We love. 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:23.080 We love it. Thank you so much, Thank you very much. 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:29.680 I've interviewed a lot of women on this show. Very 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:33.480 few live their lives with the kind of intention and 1:01:33.600 --> 1:01:37.400 focus that Dita Vontees does. Like every choice she makes, 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:40.120 from the color of her lipstick to the way she 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:44.640 arranges a vintage lamp shade feels like an act of 1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:49.200 self respect, or of reclaiming control over how she moves 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:52.400 through the world. And what I love most about her 1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:57.760 isn't just the glamour or the feathers or the fantasy. 1:01:58.440 --> 1:02:02.280 It's the discipline. It's that she's built her power quietly 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:06.960 with that discipline, and with patients, and with total authorship 1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:10.960 over her own story. I hope you loved this conversation 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:14.280 as much as I did. Dita Vonteza's news show is 1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:17.919 coming to Australia next year. Will include information on where 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:21.280 you can see her in the show notes, Thanks for 1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:24.560 listening to No Filter. The executive producer of No Filter 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:28.760 is Nama Brown, The senior producer is Bree Player. Audio 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:32.120 production is by Tina Mattloff and video editing is by 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:36.560 Josh Green. This episode was recorded at Castaway Studios and 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:40.360 I am your host Kate Langbrook and I will see 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:45.160 you next Monday.