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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strato. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Have you ever been so fed

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Speaker 2: up at work you just thought it might be easy

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Speaker 2: your employer high and dry mid project. Sounds like you've

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Speaker 2: considered revenge quitting this workplace trend currently taking over social media. Today,

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Speaker 2: we unpack the pros and cons to partaking in the

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Speaker 2: revenge quit. Plus, Claire Murphy is dropping by with some

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Speaker 2: exciting news. Speaking of Claire, here she is with your

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Speaker 2: headlines for Friday, February fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Parliament has passed laws enabling Australian parents' access to a

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Speaker 1: minimum of three days of subsidized childcare, regardless of how

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Speaker 1: much they work or study. Kicking in from January twenty

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Speaker 1: activity test requirement, which requires parents or cares to work,

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Speaker 1: it be scrapped because it hurts families whose children need

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Speaker 1: access to early childhood education the most and doesn't lead

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Speaker 1: to any substantial increase in workforce participation. Labour teaming up

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Speaker 1: The move also supported by several independents. The Coalition has

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Speaker 1: those who are working, training, or looking for work. The

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Speaker 1: US Senate has confirmed Robert F. Kennedy, Junior as Health

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Speaker 1: Secretary in a fifty two to forty eight vote. Only

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Speaker 1: Kennedy's nomination. The seventy one year old environmental lawyer and

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Speaker 1: America Healthy Again mantra. Hammas says they will release three

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Speaker 1: more Israeli hostages as planned this weekend after threatening to

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Speaker 1: withhold the exchange with accusations Israel violated the ceasefire agreement.

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Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had threatened to renew Israel's

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Speaker 1: thousands of people returning back to their destroyed homes. While

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Speaker 1: Ozzi's are on track to spend more than five hundred

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Speaker 1: overdrive for Valentine's Day. According to the Australian Retailers Association,

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Speaker 1: spoiling their specials someone with flowers, food and experiences like

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Speaker 1: before splurging on red hard holding teddy bears. But couples

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Speaker 2: That's what's happening in the world today. Next, is it

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Speaker 2: time to get our revenge? Quit on. If you've spent

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Speaker 2: any time on social media lately, you've probably seen the

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Speaker 2: videos young workers dramatically quitting their jobs, often with the

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Speaker 2: and here's how you're going to get it. I quit Revenge.

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Speaker 2: Quitting is quickly becoming the biggest workplace trend of twenty

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Speaker 2: But it's more than just dramatic exits. It's a symptom

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Speaker 2: particularly gen Z, are fighting back abruptly leaving the workplace,

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Speaker 2: sometimes at the most inconvenient of times, hence the phrase

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Speaker 2: revenge quitting. And it's not just about money. Young workers

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Speaker 2: biz It's a place to solve all your work problems,

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Speaker 2: in general for women everywhere. Michelle is revenge quitting the

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Speaker 2: equivalent to throwing a professional hissy fit.

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Speaker 3: I think it depends how you do it. A lot

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Speaker 3: People are going to be happy to see you walk

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Speaker 3: A lot of the discourse I'm saying on social is

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Speaker 3: don't think i'd recommend revenge quitting. And it's interesting you

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Speaker 2: How do you revenge quit well? Then, like should you

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Speaker 3: I think you should definitely be worried about burning bridges.

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Speaker 3: And I think as you get further on in your career,

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Speaker 3: Is you might also be stitching your teammates up if

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Speaker 2: What would you say to someone who is maybe listening

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Speaker 3: It's really not worth burning bridges at any moment in

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Speaker 2: have some exciting news. What have you been working on?

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Speaker 1: Well, Taylor, that's a very interesting question because I can

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Speaker 1: So anyone who's listened to this show from the beginning,

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Speaker 4: To give you sort of a general idea.

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Speaker 1: It's women's health, but it's in those instances, say, for example,

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Speaker 1: Well, first and foremost, the female body is just wild,

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Speaker 2: After that, Claire will still be with you again. She's

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Speaker 1: Please don't try double parking tampons until we actually figure

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Speaker 2: Thank Claire Murphy, Thank you so much. Thanks Taylor, thanks

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