Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Mama. MI are out loud. It's
Speaker 1: what women are actually talking about. On Wednesday, the first
Speaker 1: of April. I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm.
Speaker 2: Amelia Leuster, and I'm Klas Stevens.
Speaker 1: There won't be any April Fools on today's show because
Speaker 1: we don't like pranks.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, we should have started the.
Speaker 1: Joke we should have done. I had Morning TV on
Speaker 1: this morning and it was wall to woll like, guess
Speaker 1: what this is happening.
Speaker 3: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I didn't out louders have time.
Speaker 4: I'm too tired and there's enough going on in the
Speaker 4: world that I wish was a joke. Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't need any forced fun.
Speaker 1: So here's what made our agenda for today. The ABC
Speaker 1: asked working moms for tips on how they get it
Speaker 1: all done, and the comments section rebelled.
Speaker 5: Plus BUTA is the new avocado, which is really good
Speaker 5: because I don't like putting avocado on my hot cross bumps.
Speaker 4: And Trump is giving yet another estimate of when he
Speaker 4: thinks the US will leave the war in Iran. So
Speaker 4: why are political commentators in set for a Western countries
Speaker 4: really really annoyed.
Speaker 5: But first, in case you missed it, the clitterist has
Speaker 5: been mapped for the first time. There is a map
Speaker 5: of it and its complex tree branch like nerves. Too.
Speaker 3: Young Lee and a team of researchers in the.
Speaker 5: Netherlands have gone where no man has gone before to
Speaker 5: create a three D scan of the clitterists to tell
Speaker 5: us exactly how and where orgasms happen. It's only thirty
Speaker 5: years after scientists did the same thing for the penis,
Speaker 5: but you know, better late than never, as they say,
Speaker 5: at least it happened, right, Yes, oh.
Speaker 4: Yes, at least it happened. Just took you know, a
Speaker 4: few more decades. But when I saw the image of
Speaker 4: what this clitterist map.
Speaker 3: It looks a bit like a wishbone.
Speaker 4: It does, and it's kind of like you're trying to
Speaker 4: work out the bits that you know.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I might I recognize that bit. I don't recognize any
Speaker 4: of the other bits. But I thought it reminds me
Speaker 4: of whenever you get your pelvic floor described to you,
Speaker 4: the anatomy of your pelvic floor, and they try and say,
Speaker 4: think of it like a sling. No, that does not
Speaker 4: compute that I have a sling. No, And I thought
Speaker 4: the same thing when I saw the clitterist map.
Speaker 2: I thought, does not compute? Where that is where? You're wrong, You're.
Speaker 1: Wrong, You're wrong because I'm a gardener. Here it's a tree,
Speaker 1: it looks like a tree, it acts like a tree.
Speaker 2: But where where Look.
Speaker 1: Well, let's be clear, just because a map has been invented,
Speaker 1: let's not expect any male so we might be expecting
Speaker 1: to go near that area, are going to use the map,
Speaker 1: reading the map, admit that they might need a direction.
Speaker 1: That is not a thing that they will do. However,
Speaker 1: one of the things I found interesting in this is
Speaker 1: said that the clitteriss has been the least studied bit
Speaker 1: of the body for a very long time. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I reckon. A lot of women I know
Speaker 1: have been studying that pretty hard for a pretty long time.
Speaker 1: Work in Mum's the maths ain't mathin that was the
Speaker 1: cheery opening tile on an Instagram carousel as we call
Speaker 1: them in the business, which is like, you know, some
Speaker 1: slides in a row on Instagram from the ABC that
Speaker 1: was all about working mothers, working parents, the inequality between
Speaker 1: them when it comes to you know, everything, and how
Speaker 1: it's about to be the holidays and how the hell
Speaker 1: do we cope? Right, So they put this slide, these
Speaker 1: slides up that were about, you know this, many days
Speaker 1: of annual leave this, many days of school holidays? How
Speaker 1: do we do it? And they ended it on the
Speaker 1: chirpy note of so, how are mothers juggling it all?
Speaker 1: What are your tips for getting it all done? We'd
Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Leave your comments below. And
Speaker 1: what happened was a whole lot of women said, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about now? I want to be clear
Speaker 1: that we're not dissing. I'm not discing the ABC here.
Speaker 1: We work in digital media. We know how it works.
Speaker 1: The social media producer who put those slides together, she
Speaker 1: or he probably missed the tone. As we would say
Speaker 1: in the industry, we'd say the tone was a bit wrong.
Speaker 3: But that is easy to do.
Speaker 1: We've done it a million times. Sometimes we do it
Speaker 1: on this show like it's not that somebody did a
Speaker 1: terrible job. The thing that's interesting is the unilateral rejection
Speaker 1: of the premise from the comments. Typical comments were when
Speaker 1: they said, what do you do? Your tips for getting
Speaker 1: it all done? Were we don't we aren't we're all
Speaker 1: completely burnt out. One of my particular favorites was try
Speaker 1: this for a life hack, cry in the shower when
Speaker 1: it all gets too much. You won't scare the kids
Speaker 1: and clean ups a breeze, plus an extra bonus of
Speaker 1: saving on tissues winning sarcasm, anger dejection Claire Stevens, Have
Speaker 1: we completely lost our sense of humor about about the
Speaker 1: tricky parts of being a working parent?
Speaker 4: The interesting thing about this post is that, and even
Speaker 4: I've seen some commentators who have analyzed it and kind
Speaker 4: of re tried to reframe what maybe they could have asked, And.
Speaker 2: Even when they do that, literally an.
Speaker 4: Overwhelming majority what was in this post was actually really
Speaker 4: good information about how it just as they say, the
Speaker 4: mats a mathim about how much parents are expected to
Speaker 4: work versus how much kids are in school, and there
Speaker 4: are hours of the day that are simply not able
Speaker 4: to be accounted.
Speaker 1: For because we're on the brink of Easter holidays. To
Speaker 1: make it clear, obviously, if you're a parent, you're probably
Speaker 1: very aware of this. If you're not, you're probably not.
Speaker 1: But parents, the ones who are responding to this post
Speaker 1: are facing down two weeks of oh my God, trying
Speaker 1: to divide their annual leave if they're in a couple,
Speaker 1: trying to rope in friends who'll have the kids some days,
Speaker 1: so you'll have their kids other days. A mixture of
Speaker 1: like after school campy kind of holiday camp stuff. But
Speaker 1: then who's picking them up and dropping them off. They
Speaker 1: are dealing with a logistical nightmare, and that is why
Speaker 1: they had no time for the cutesy math Saint math
Speaker 1: in line.
Speaker 2: But I loved the tone of responses on.
Speaker 4: This because I thought, this is why the kind of
Speaker 4: unilateral anger and saying yeah, it doesn't it doesn't work,
Speaker 4: and there's no tip.
Speaker 2: There's no like.
Speaker 4: Put your kids to bed in their school uniform, or
Speaker 4: there was one I really really felt for this earnest
Speaker 4: person who gave one good tip and they said toast.
Speaker 2: Is always an acceptable dinner.
Speaker 5: There was actually a second actual tip, which I think
Speaker 5: Holly wrote, which was I find night gardening help.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it definitely does, but it is That's a
Speaker 1: good point, Claire, because it isn't that long ago, and
Speaker 1: in fact, you know, years ago, I used to host
Speaker 1: a podcast for a while called I Don't Know How
Speaker 1: She Does It, and it was that whole premise of
Speaker 1: like busy moms hashtag busy mums sharing their tips literally,
Speaker 1: things like put your kids in their school uniform, things
Speaker 1: like spend all day Sunday prepping for lunch boxes, things
Speaker 1: like get up an hour before everybody else so that
Speaker 1: you can make sure that the you know, their school
Speaker 1: bags are hanging by the door with everything they need
Speaker 1: inside and.
Speaker 3: The word batch yes.
Speaker 1: So, and that kind of earnest advice just feels very
Speaker 1: out of fashion, don't you think it does? It does?
Speaker 4: And there was one comment that said, instead of better tips,
Speaker 4: we need better conditions.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if this.
Speaker 4: Has because I was trying to work out I was
Speaker 4: thinking about that podcast you hosted, Holly and how for
Speaker 4: a really long time that has been the conversation. I
Speaker 4: don't know how she does it, and really putting women
Speaker 4: up on a pedestal if they appear to be doing
Speaker 4: it all.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking therefore that there are some women who
Speaker 1: are definitely doing it all and the rest of us
Speaker 1: are just getting it wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I think the cost of living crisis
Speaker 4: has kind of taken the rose colored glasses off. People
Speaker 4: have realized the only people who appear to be doing
Speaker 4: it all are those with a lot of paid help and
Speaker 4: at which is becoming less and less possible for most families.
Speaker 4: So the sentiment was exactly the sentiment I feel when
Speaker 4: I speak to my friends. But I think it's actually
Speaker 4: quite rebellious from the sentiment we see online normally, because
Speaker 4: I usually feel ashamed as a mother online when I
Speaker 4: see all the things you are meant to be doing
Speaker 4: for a baby, a toddler, a primary school kid.
Speaker 2: And I kind of liked that it was. I hope
Speaker 2: that that.
Speaker 4: Shared emotion in the comments makes people feel less shame, because.
Speaker 2: Really we're all not doing well.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting that the guy shifted in that way.
Speaker 5: The Cut used to have a column too, called how
Speaker 5: I Get It Done, which typically featured successful, wealthy women
Speaker 5: who sometimes admitted to having paid her at home and
Speaker 5: sometimes didn't. But there was very much a sense of
Speaker 5: look up to these women aspire to be these women
Speaker 5: who are incredibly busy and yet somehow juggle it all effortslessly.
Speaker 5: And now we've talked about lean back culture and the
Speaker 5: idea of hustle being over, and I think now we
Speaker 5: don't glorify the idea that you can get it all
Speaker 5: done anymore.
Speaker 1: The problem is, though, isn't it is that whether or
Speaker 1: not it's cool to glorify it, most parents do have
Speaker 1: to get it all done, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This is what I've always hated, that kind of having
Speaker 1: it all, doing it all conversation, because it always makes
Speaker 1: us sound greedy, you know, almost like we want all
Speaker 1: the things and it's stressful having them, but we want them.
Speaker 1: Whereas the reality is that most parents in Australia, certainly
Speaker 1: the stats would say, I think seventy five percent of
Speaker 1: mothers work outside the home, and obviously there are a
Speaker 1: lot of women who don't, and that's also work. But
Speaker 1: it's not the preserve of a few strike saving ambitious people.
Speaker 1: It's just the reality of life, right, And so part
Speaker 1: of this has to be surely the other reason I
Speaker 1: think that maybe that stuff's gone out of fashion about
Speaker 1: like find a little hole, Heidi, hole way you put
Speaker 1: your kid's shoes so they're always there, and you know,
Speaker 1: cut the sandwiches into stars the night before at two am,
Speaker 1: and spend all night baking the gluten flea free flapjacks
Speaker 1: for the bake sale and all those kind of things.
Speaker 1: Why that's God is because there's also a bit of
Speaker 1: a recognized and you're right, Claire that Instagram culture hasn't
Speaker 1: caught up with this yet. But that do we have
Speaker 1: to do all that stuff? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That actually, maybe being a decent parent doesn't have to
Speaker 1: involve star shaped sandwiches and gluten free flapjacks, unless, of course,
Speaker 1: gluten free is essential.
Speaker 4: Yes, And the reality is a lot of us are
Speaker 4: feeling like we're struggling just to achieve in inverted commas,
Speaker 4: the bare minimum, like we like, I'm not at star sandwiches,
Speaker 4: I'm at like my child needs to be bathed and.
Speaker 5: Fed and ked because I think the microbiome it flourished.
Speaker 4: Actually actually great point, Matilda has a rash and the
Speaker 4: doctor says I'm watching her too much.
Speaker 2: That's how you get it all done.
Speaker 3: For the children, No more so.
Speaker 4: But I think this is also why it's genuinely bizarre
Speaker 4: when politics and it feels gas lighty when politicians like
Speaker 4: most recently we had a chat about this in the
Speaker 4: office the newly elected Leader of the Nationals, Matt Canavan,
Speaker 4: said we need more Australian babies and there are these
Speaker 4: fearmongering headlines about declining birth rates, as though women have
Speaker 4: become selfish and where responsible for the annihilation of the
Speaker 4: human race. And you look around and think, no, people
Speaker 4: just actually can't do this. But the thing that really
Speaker 4: got a lot of those commenters in that ABC post
Speaker 4: was the fact that that final side was towards mothers.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the slide literally said mothers, how do you
Speaker 1: get it all done?
Speaker 4: And it just I think the sentiment has really changed
Speaker 4: that this is a family issue, This is not for women,
Speaker 4: and it is so unfair that it is women's job
Speaker 4: to do all of the mental load and all of
Speaker 4: the maths about how it ain't mathing and a man
Speaker 4: is okay to just continue his career in his life.
Speaker 4: That would have you always had.
Speaker 5: It would have been so subversive for that post to
Speaker 5: say on the last slide, father's how do you get
Speaker 5: it all done?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, I would love that.
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for the day that that's what the post says.
Speaker 4: In a moment, we look for nuggets in the big
Speaker 4: pile of shit which is Trump and Iran. Look unlike Amelia.
Speaker 4: It will shock you all to know I'm not an
Speaker 4: expert in foreign policy, but something I do like to
Speaker 4: credit myself with is having a broad sense of things.
Speaker 4: And among all the headlines right now, and there are
Speaker 4: more and more, literally by the minute, probably after we've recorded,
Speaker 4: there will be several more that we've missed. My sense
Speaker 4: about President Donald Trump and the devastating war in Iran is, Sir,
Speaker 4: you have behaved exactly like a toddler, and now the
Speaker 4: world is starting to treat you like one. Speaking to
Speaker 4: reporters in the Oval Office, he was asked when will
Speaker 4: the US be gone and done with the war in Iran?
Speaker 4: And he said, I think we two or three weeks
Speaker 4: will leave because there's no reason for us to do this.
Speaker 1: Maybe he should have thought of that before. Theres no reason,
Speaker 1: just think just a crazy idea, maybe like a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, five weeks ago.
Speaker 4: What on earth who said we'll be leaving very soon.
Speaker 4: It's literally someone walking into a room destroying everyone's toys
Speaker 4: and then shrugging their shoulders and walking out.
Speaker 2: But it's worse than that, because there's the question of how.
Speaker 4: Like the world deals with the fallout of the destruction
Speaker 4: he's caused. But Trump has a solution, so don't worry
Speaker 4: about that, he said. He's told other countries which refuse
Speaker 4: to get involved in the decapitation of Iran and need
Speaker 4: jet fuel to build up some delayed courage, go to
Speaker 4: the Strait of Humus and just take it. You will
Speaker 4: have to start learning how to fight for yourself. He said,
Speaker 4: the USA won't be there to help you anymore, just
Speaker 4: like you weren't there for us. What his attitude now
Speaker 4: is that reopening the Strait of Humors isn't his responsibility,
Speaker 4: but definitely is the responsibility of the countries who had
Speaker 4: no involvement in starting the.
Speaker 2: War that led to it being closed.
Speaker 4: He also says he doesn't really think about reopening the strait,
Speaker 4: It's just not something that really crosses his mind.
Speaker 3: I think that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm like, thanks for being honest. That's really
Speaker 4: helpful and you won't believe it. But this has left
Speaker 4: a lot of political commentators in Britain, for example, furious.
Speaker 4: One Times journalist said, well, thanks a lot, Donald, just great,
Speaker 4: And I think that really sums it up.
Speaker 5: The reason I love that is because he he apparently
Speaker 5: hates people using his first name. He really doesn't like
Speaker 5: the name Donald, so we should probably all just start
Speaker 5: referring to him as Donald not Trump.
Speaker 3: But it is.
Speaker 2: When you're in trouble, you need your full name, Donald.
Speaker 3: Donald Reginald Trump, the third.
Speaker 2: That's not his name, you do.
Speaker 4: Even the Pope has said, I'm told that President Trump
Speaker 4: has recently stated that he would like.
Speaker 2: To end the war. Hopefully he's looking for an off ramp. Emilia.
Speaker 5: I love that that Pope pretends he's non American. He's like,
Speaker 5: I don't know her, he's Mariah Carey.
Speaker 4: In the meme, Amelia, you're worried about Trump finding the
Speaker 4: off ramp because he's currently having issues with exits at
Speaker 4: the moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just loving the news yesterday that his
Speaker 5: plans for the White House ballroom. First of all, architects
Speaker 5: looked at them and said, there isn't a door, there's
Speaker 5: no entrance, the stairs lay to nowhere, and the giant
Speaker 5: columns that you want will block the view from the inside.
Speaker 5: And then a judge said, you don't own the White House,
Speaker 5: you rent it. You don't get to build your ballroom
Speaker 5: here after all. So I think there's just going to
Speaker 5: be a giant pile of rubble where the east wing
Speaker 5: of the White House once stood.
Speaker 4: There's an image of that, and I'm like that image
Speaker 4: is his date of mind. Yeah, and like if you
Speaker 4: project that image onto everything that he does, it's really
Speaker 4: a visual representation of the chaos.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now, look, the reason why we wanted to talk about
Speaker 5: this today is because this war and its effects at
Speaker 5: the petrol pump and on our anxiety levels and all
Speaker 5: around the world are really profound, and we had to
Speaker 5: find a way to talk about it on the show.
Speaker 5: And the message that I want to get across to
Speaker 5: people is that if you think that this doesn't make sense,
Speaker 5: and if you think that this makes you want to
Speaker 5: scream and cry in the shower, that's because it doesn't
Speaker 5: make sense, and it is something that makes most people
Speaker 5: who've spent a modercome of time thinking about it, it
Speaker 5: does make them want to scream. I'm not trivializing the
Speaker 5: effects of it the way, because the costs that he's
Speaker 5: inflicting on the world go way beyond the petrol prices,
Speaker 5: which in themselves are incredibly profound, particularly for Australians and
Speaker 5: regional areas or Australians who work on farms. There's really
Speaker 5: profun effects here in Australia. But in addition to that,
Speaker 5: there's one hundred and sixty eight students who were killed
Speaker 5: in an Iranian school. There are the people in the
Speaker 5: Golf States who are sheltering from Iranian drone attacks, Israel's
Speaker 5: intensifying war in Lebanon. There are crops that won't grow,
Speaker 5: there's humanitarian assistants that won't get through because the strait
Speaker 5: is effectively closed. There are some really dire consequences of this.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I don't want anyone to
Speaker 5: think that because the consequence is a dire Trump himself
Speaker 5: had any kind of serious intentions or plan when he
Speaker 5: went in here. He did not have a plan. Just
Speaker 5: on the way in here, someone in the office said
Speaker 5: to me, did he do this because he has the
Speaker 5: Venezuela oil and now he wants more oil? And I
Speaker 5: just said, no, No, he's forgotten about It's.
Speaker 1: Really hard, big A Melia, because I sit next to
Speaker 1: Milia in the office, and basically what she has to
Speaker 1: say to me twenty five times a day when I'm
Speaker 1: asking her questions about the world is stop trying to
Speaker 1: make it make sense. Yeah, because I'm always saying but why,
Speaker 1: but why? And you and I actually find this profoundly
Speaker 1: useful when you say that when You're like, that's not
Speaker 1: what's going on here. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5: He has some really big toys at his disposal, which
Speaker 5: is the US military, the world's biggest military, and right
Speaker 5: now he is sending more troops to Iran. So the
Speaker 5: idea that he wants the war to end, sometimes he does,
Speaker 5: sometimes he doesn't. He certainly says that he wants to negotiate.
Speaker 5: The problem is that then he says he doesn't care
Speaker 5: what the Iranians have to say, and the Iranians themselves
Speaker 5: are not ready to negotiate. He has started a war
Speaker 5: with someone who might not want to end the war
Speaker 5: when he wants to end the war. So I think
Speaker 5: we just have to divorce ourselves from what Donald says
Speaker 5: and keep watching closely what he does.
Speaker 1: Hmm, that's really good advice. Here's another thing I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Make it make sense evenough I know it doesn't. Wasn't
Speaker 1: one of his big things like no more wars. No, No,
Speaker 1: We're not sending any Americans into those conflicts overseas anymore.
Speaker 1: And the mega people all feel that quite strongly, don't they.
Speaker 1: So that also doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5: And look, that's I think if we're looking for sort
Speaker 5: of a way out of this, because I know the
Speaker 5: question that you have, Holly, in which I haven't, which
Speaker 5: everyone has, is when will this end?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: Sorry, I just shook the table. When will descend?
Speaker 5: And one factor I think that is pushing Trump to
Speaker 5: find that off ramp. Donald, sorry, pushing Donald to find
Speaker 5: that off ramp is the domestic political pressure is rising.
Speaker 5: People do not like paying more for petrol, and they
Speaker 5: are now paying more than they have since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5: They don't like the idea of American service members caught
Speaker 5: in a foreign war. His approval as sunk into the thirties.
Speaker 5: That's not good. He has an election in November, the
Speaker 5: midterm elections. And there was this great, fascinating article in
Speaker 5: the Atlantic this week, right Claire, about how the manisphere
Speaker 5: is turning on him now exactly.
Speaker 4: It was by Elaine Godfrey, and the article referred to
Speaker 4: that meme that everybody's probably seen at different points in
Speaker 4: the last few years, but it's.
Speaker 2: Very relevant now.
Speaker 4: And it's the one with a photo of a very
Speaker 4: serious looking white man and the headline is heartbreaking. The
Speaker 4: worst person you know just made a great point, and
Speaker 4: it's about Godfrey writes about how the manisphere have turned
Speaker 4: against Trump and while it's annoying because it was this
Speaker 4: not necessarily republican but anti establishment, anti woke crowd that
Speaker 4: actively pushed for his second term and probably made a
Speaker 4: massive difference in how the election turned out, they are
Speaker 4: losing faith. She references a recent episode of The Flagrant
Speaker 4: podcast hosted by Andrew Schultz where they have a debate
Speaker 4: about manscaping methods. First, so I think that's important to
Speaker 4: know the context. And then it's not about the glitterorist
Speaker 4: map's interesting. Manscaping is all the craze and they have.
Speaker 1: A downloadable pdffort. I'm sure they're very concerned.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Schultz leans back and says, are you guys, like,
Speaker 4: do you feel existential anxiety about the war?
Speaker 1: This is like that moment in Barbie? Do you ever
Speaker 1: think about diet?
Speaker 2: And he goes.
Speaker 4: He says later, Americans can't fucking afford healthcare. They don't
Speaker 4: care about what's happening in Iran. He also said, naturally,
Speaker 4: Americans are furious about it, right because we're.
Speaker 2: Like, how the fuck does it benefit me?
Speaker 4: I can't afford to pay for college, I can't buy
Speaker 4: a home I can't pay for health insurance, and we're
Speaker 4: going to spend billions of dollars in a war in
Speaker 4: a country I can't even point to on a map,
Speaker 4: and it's like Andrew Loan your geography. But Joe Rogan
Speaker 4: also complained that Trump's moves in Iran are so insane
Speaker 4: based on what he ran on and he said this
Speaker 4: week that MAGA is a movement of a bunch of
Speaker 4: fucking dorks. And so I think that it's interesting to
Speaker 4: see this sway. And the theory that Godfrey puts forward
Speaker 4: in the article is that when it's time to vote
Speaker 4: in the midterms, these kinds of Americans, no one's expecting
Speaker 4: them to have swayed Democrat, but they are likely to
Speaker 4: just stay home. And maybe that's a bit of a
Speaker 4: silver lining.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm going to bring a couple more hope punky
Speaker 1: things because I think that hope punk is trying to
Speaker 1: write again. It's trying like hope punk, which is the idea,
Speaker 1: you know that the most radical thing you can be
Speaker 1: is hopeful in a world like this, and I feel
Speaker 1: like the hope punk's like trying to get on the
Speaker 1: charging horses. They're like trying to get.
Speaker 3: Their foot over them. They're like, come on, get it out.
Speaker 1: Let's go through. In Britain and all over America and
Speaker 1: all over the world. In fact, there were lots of
Speaker 1: massive protests on the weekend, mostly very peaceful, no King's
Speaker 1: protests as they call it in Britain. It was against
Speaker 1: the rise of the far right Britain, which is a
Speaker 1: very real thing. And the slogan, which I think is
Speaker 1: really clunky and it might need some work, but that
Speaker 1: the progressive left trying to bring to these protests is
Speaker 1: make hope normal again, which I don't know.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have quite but I totally.
Speaker 1: Get what they mean. They're like, the norm has become
Speaker 1: to be incredibly for very good reason, to be incredibly
Speaker 1: nihilistic and gloomy about everything, and they're trying to be like,
Speaker 1: let's make it. Let's make it normal again, to think, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we can pull this back, maybe we can make
Speaker 1: a difference, maybe community intervention will really help all those things.
Speaker 1: One of the knock ons of this crisis has been
Speaker 1: in Australia at least that searches an interest in evs
Speaker 1: and solar panels and all those things have searched massively
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty percent increase on searches for whether
Speaker 1: or not you can buy an ev on whether or
Speaker 1: not you should put solar on your roof. So it
Speaker 1: could be this, this thing, which may be a serious
Speaker 1: crisis and maybe a short term panic, might be one
Speaker 1: of the things that pushes us to realize that it's
Speaker 1: not just good for the environment but good for our
Speaker 1: back pockets, which is often how we actually make that decisions.
Speaker 5: I think that's a really interesting point, and it makes
Speaker 5: me think that how COVID kind of reset what we
Speaker 5: think the workplace needs to look like for many people.
Speaker 5: Obviously not for all people, but for particular sectors. I
Speaker 5: wonder if this crisis will reset the global dependence on
Speaker 5: oil because we realized that we don't want that to
Speaker 5: happen again.
Speaker 2: Trump's been the unlikely trigger for focus on renewables, and
Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1: Neither did he.
Speaker 2: As we know.
Speaker 1: The motto of.
Speaker 5: This segment, So we hope this has been useful in
Speaker 5: conveying that there's no answer to why. There's no single
Speaker 5: answer to why or what the ground strategy is behind
Speaker 5: what Trump is doing.
Speaker 3: That said, there.
Speaker 5: Are two announcements to watch in the next twenty four hours,
Speaker 5: which might give us a clue as to where things
Speaker 5: are headed. The first is that Donald Trump is giving
Speaker 5: an address to Americans on Wednesday evening in DC, that
Speaker 5: is Thursday morning Australian Eastern. He could be escalating things
Speaker 5: in the region, he could be de escalating. We just
Speaker 5: don't know what he'll be saying in that. And then
Speaker 5: tonight at seven Anthony Albanesi will be addressing Australians or
Speaker 5: we know for sure is that he's going to be
Speaker 5: talking about the war and the fuel crisis. Just for context,
Speaker 5: the last two occasions for addresses like this to the
Speaker 5: nation were COVID and the GFCS. So I do think
Speaker 5: that it is worth watching this carefully after the break
Speaker 5: apparently but as a health food.
Speaker 3: Now, I've got.
Speaker 1: Some exciting news from China. Apparently gen Z's all over
Speaker 1: their social media and their massive social media networks in China,
Speaker 1: one's called Red Note, ones called Waibo have all been
Speaker 1: changing their profile pictures to one woman, Chris Jenna.
Speaker 2: Here is.
Speaker 1: His Chinese TikToker Marcella Wang explaining why gen.
Speaker 6: Z unread, notably by using Christianner as their profile picture,
Speaker 6: can bring good luck, career, success, wealth and confidence all
Speaker 6: coming your way because Christianner is one of the hardest
Speaker 6: working businesswomen in the US, and Chinese people really respect
Speaker 6: hard work, so cosplay Christianner is like a gen Z
Speaker 6: funny way to manifest success.
Speaker 1: He went on to say that there are people who
Speaker 1: if you look at these social media sites, just loads
Speaker 1: and loads of different pictures of Christianna, and some people
Speaker 1: have aied her into their work outface. So there's like
Speaker 1: Christian is a doctor, Christian is a lawyer, Christian is
Speaker 1: a construction worker, Christians engineer. And they've said things like
Speaker 1: I was literally about to have a mental breakdown last night,
Speaker 1: but I changed my profile pick to Christianna and now
Speaker 1: I feel like I can slay. My confidence is through
Speaker 1: the roof. And someone else said, I changed my profile
Speaker 1: picture to Christianna and I got two jobs off as
Speaker 1: a media I am trying it right now, is Christianny,
Speaker 1: You're manifesting success manifestation model Claire.
Speaker 4: When I think about visualizing manifestation, you know, you create
Speaker 4: your own reality.
Speaker 2: All of that stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, Chris Jennal wasn't immediately where my mind went,
Speaker 4: But now that you say it, you know, big, audacious goals,
Speaker 4: seems to reach them. She real she really shoots for
Speaker 4: a lot of things, and some of them really land.
Speaker 2: And I find do I find that inspiring? Not really,
Speaker 2: But I think I'm really glad that people are finding
Speaker 2: her to be an unlikely here.
Speaker 5: She might wind up being the most enduring of the Kardashians.
Speaker 5: Don't you think there's something purely iconic about her at
Speaker 5: this point in a way where the other Kardashians heyprogenies, fortunes,
Speaker 5: wax and weighing a little bit, but Chris endures. You
Speaker 5: may have noticed that butter is on everything these days.
Speaker 5: Sydney's royle is to show you can even get a
Speaker 5: butter dipped soft serve, and the Guardian writer went to
Speaker 5: describe it and described it as a textural roller coaster.
Speaker 5: They did note that the butter doesn't melt at the
Speaker 5: same speed as the ice cream, and so you end
Speaker 5: up with all these chewy chunks.
Speaker 4: I really hate, I really hate this idea, because if
Speaker 4: it's butter dipped, does that mean the butter is like
Speaker 4: all melted, like yeah, like liquid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's liquid butter.
Speaker 5: And then the writer also said that there's some cognitive
Speaker 5: dissonance when you eat this soft serve because you keep
Speaker 5: thinking it's a chop top, like you keep thinking that
Speaker 5: the butter will shatter in a crispy way, but it's butter,
Speaker 5: so it never shatters.
Speaker 3: It just kind of oozes.
Speaker 2: It's so much dairy.
Speaker 3: Well, perhaps it's.
Speaker 5: A good thing that butter dip soft serve is not
Speaker 5: that delicious, because by all accounts, it's not very good
Speaker 5: for you. Oh, there are approximately ten to seventeen grams
Speaker 5: of saturated fat in one butter dip soft and the
Speaker 5: National Public Health Information Service says you should only really have.
Speaker 3: About twenty to twenty five grams of saturated fat a day,
Speaker 3: so it's basically almost all your saturated fat in one
Speaker 3: soft serve.
Speaker 1: But Amelia, there are so many TikTokers telling me that
Speaker 1: saturated fatty that's true.
Speaker 4: It would be wrong with just eating one and a
Speaker 4: half butter stipped soft serves and that's a whole intake
Speaker 4: for the day.
Speaker 5: I don't understand you, so absolutely nothing. Chris Joanna would
Speaker 5: probably do the same thing. There are people who have
Speaker 5: now become convinced that butter is a health food. So
Speaker 5: The Cut reported on this Instagram trend where parents are
Speaker 5: giving their babies just whole sticks of butter as a
Speaker 5: snack and you can watch videos of the kid just
Speaker 5: eating the butter. And then there was one for older kids. Holly,
Speaker 5: this could work for your family. After dinner, one mother
Speaker 5: cuts up slabs of butter and she shouts to her
Speaker 5: older kids in this instagram, come get your snack.
Speaker 1: I love butter, A love butter, and but the my
Speaker 1: my twisted inner toxic diet culture goblin who was forged
Speaker 1: in the fires of Generation X diet culture could never
Speaker 1: like I could never. But what I thought was interesting
Speaker 1: when I was reading all these things about the influencers
Speaker 1: were saying that butter just eat loads and loads of butter.
Speaker 1: Is there's always one grain of truth in the in
Speaker 1: the wellness information, isn't that? Which is somebody says eating
Speaker 1: more butter can cure depression.
Speaker 3: Absolutely yes it can.
Speaker 1: Have you ever met a hot Cross bun dripping with butter?
Speaker 1: You will be happier as soon as you eat it,
Speaker 1: So that's clearly a proven health health improvement.
Speaker 5: It's funny you should mention the hot cross bunds because
Speaker 5: TikTok experts are claiming that everyone is eating their hot
Speaker 5: cross buns wrong. You're meant to cut them, they say,
Speaker 5: in three into essentially three slices of hot cross bun,
Speaker 5: like horizontally horizontally, And that's because, well, I don't know
Speaker 5: what horizontally. So you don't mean like, get a hot
Speaker 5: cross bun and just cut it into three pieces. You
Speaker 5: mean hold it on its edge and slice it into
Speaker 5: three circles.
Speaker 3: Correct, three circles.
Speaker 5: And they say that's because you're allowing for more surface
Speaker 5: area for the butter. But then my question is, isn't
Speaker 5: that just raisin toasty? And I know that neither of
Speaker 5: you want us to talk about this topic. Holy you
Speaker 5: really looked uncomfortable when I raised it and insisted on
Speaker 5: talking about it today, probably for gen next reason.
Speaker 3: Probably Claire, I know you didn't want.
Speaker 5: To talk about it because one time I walked into
Speaker 5: the kitchen and you had done a horrifying thing with
Speaker 5: your snack.
Speaker 2: It really upsets everyone.
Speaker 4: So the thing is that I don't like butter, but
Speaker 4: more specifically I don't like butter sush. I can't eat
Speaker 4: butter when I can see it, so on toast, et cetera,
Speaker 4: because is literally my worst nime.
Speaker 2: I would just gag. The idea of it makes me
Speaker 2: gag because I think I think it's because.
Speaker 4: When I threw up my nan whenever she made us
Speaker 4: toast or sandwiches or whatever, you should have seen it.
Speaker 2: It was just chunks.
Speaker 1: Because Irish background, right, yes, and Irish people love but generalization.
Speaker 1: But it's carry gold like it's yeah, butter is a thing.
Speaker 2: Butter and salt. She used to put salt on.
Speaker 1: It, which those are the those are the two. Every
Speaker 1: chef will tell you that the two secrets. Speaking anything
Speaker 1: tastes good of fat and salt, Fat and salt. So
Speaker 1: she knew that she was really Michel.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: But I remember biting into into a sandwich and just
Speaker 4: gagging because there was that just the biggest chunk of butter.
Speaker 4: And I feel like this is it is like a generation,
Speaker 4: like the amount of the amount of butter.
Speaker 2: They went over the top.
Speaker 5: And this is a lot of throat clearing to explain
Speaker 5: that you eat your vegement toast without butter on it.
Speaker 4: Correct inside vegi might toast and like quite a bit
Speaker 4: of vegimite, Like like I.
Speaker 5: Like you said that Donald Trump was like not thinking straight.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you it's.
Speaker 1: Got to have you see somebody. I heard somebody say
Speaker 1: this recently. I think it was an Irish person. In fact,
Speaker 1: crumpet's are one. I love a crumpet, but you have
Speaker 1: to have so much butter.
Speaker 2: On that to sink into the hole and it sinks in.
Speaker 1: And someone said you have to wait for the crumpet
Speaker 1: to weat itself. Well, the butter has to go all
Speaker 1: the way through so that it's like it's weed itself.
Speaker 6: I don't know the.
Speaker 5: History of the crumpet, but it strikes me something that
Speaker 5: was invented precisely just to provide more surface area for butter.
Speaker 6: A vehicle.
Speaker 5: We had English muffins or muffins as they're no one,
Speaker 5: and then someone came.
Speaker 3: Up with crumpet.
Speaker 4: They're like, because they're poorous, there are some food you need.
Speaker 1: The adoption a vehicle for butter, mashed potato vehicle for butter.
Speaker 1: That's that's the way it works.
Speaker 4: Let's be clear what they are doing on TikTok is
Speaker 4: not verified health information.
Speaker 2: So if you want to.
Speaker 4: Give your kid butter, that's fine, but I wouldn't say
Speaker 4: whole slabs. But I'm actually in in terms of the
Speaker 4: mums who are giving their babies sticks of butter. It
Speaker 4: did take me a little while to understand that just
Speaker 4: because I hate butter, it's cruel to not put butter
Speaker 4: on my daughter's food. And she loves if we go,
Speaker 4: if we've ever gone out to dinner, she gets the
Speaker 4: little thing of butter and just sticks her finger and
Speaker 4: it and eats it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, no, I can't take that joy
Speaker 2: away from you.
Speaker 4: But it is true that between like, especially in the
Speaker 4: first few years of life, you need lots and lots
Speaker 4: and lots.
Speaker 2: Of fat for brain development.
Speaker 3: And not just brain development.
Speaker 5: There's a foundation that has pretty sure no scientific impact,
Speaker 5: but which is quoted a lot in these Instagram posts,
Speaker 5: the Western A Price Foundation. It suggests that babies who
Speaker 5: eat more butter are likely to have broad, handsome faces.
Speaker 5: I saw that who doesn't want a broad, handsome face.
Speaker 1: It definitely would be happier. As Persecure's depression angle from ear,
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen influences walking down the street eating
Speaker 1: a stick of butter in New York City. You have
Speaker 1: on the internet, like not in real life, but like
Speaker 1: you know, it's a thing. It's a thing to be
Speaker 1: like literally eating a stick of butter like a chord,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love butter, not that as discussed,
Speaker 1: I couldn't possibly eat it. But that's not true.
Speaker 3: But you were edging off your chair when we were talking.
Speaker 1: About but the idea of it like walking down the street,
Speaker 1: like licking it like an ice cream just seems like stop.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I know we all need content, people, but we're just
Speaker 1: getting too far, too far.
Speaker 4: What I love is that it went like butter, and
Speaker 4: then everybody went, oh, you know what, avocados are much
Speaker 4: healthier fat, So where possible perhaps put avocado where you
Speaker 4: may have once put butter, And now everybody's chucking out
Speaker 4: avocado for butter. But this is why I I was
Speaker 4: thinking about this the other day because I really struggle
Speaker 4: with cooking with food, with what the hell I'm meant
Speaker 4: to eat at any given time, what you're meant to
Speaker 4: feed a kid, all of that stuff.
Speaker 2: And if you've got a really little baby.
Speaker 4: There are professionals who can talk to you about what
Speaker 4: to feed your baby. Probably don't get that advice from TikTok.
Speaker 4: This is the thing where in this moment of like,
Speaker 4: we're very into unprocessed foods are good because the processing
Speaker 4: and refined carbs and all of that was apparently very
Speaker 4: bad and so unprocessed foods unprocessed foods, but is largely unprocessed.
Speaker 2: But then it's also not good for cholesterol.
Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for like my very straight laced
Speaker 1: GP who's literally still sitting there advising people over forty
Speaker 1: like myself to be like, swap it for a low
Speaker 1: cholesterol spread. And then to me just like pulling out
Speaker 1: my phone and showing.
Speaker 5: For just whipping out a stick of butter and just
Speaker 5: chomping into it. Look, this is why I know. But
Speaker 5: it's very unprocessed and gives a broad handsome face. I
Speaker 5: think that. I think the Hot Cross funds. I'm putting
Speaker 5: it on a perhaps a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Process Yeah, that's actually knock yourself out.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 4: GPT did tell me if you're gonna have butter, don't
Speaker 4: have it with refined sugar such as pastries, And I'm like,
Speaker 4: but have you heard?
Speaker 2: Like, but what other context is there's a cross.
Speaker 1: It's made of butter, butter and butter, and that's why
Speaker 1: it's good.
Speaker 5: All I'm asking is you don't cut your hot Cross
Speaker 5: one in three no.
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