WEBVTT - The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Good Point 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.720 Hello, and welcome to Mama. MI are out loud. It's 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.840 what women are actually talking about. On Wednesday, the first 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:07.960 of April. I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:09.920 Amelia Leuster, and I'm Klas Stevens. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.760 There won't be any April Fools on today's show because 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:13.880 we don't like pranks. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:15.960 I was gonna say, we should have started the. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.919 Joke we should have done. I had Morning TV on 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.120 this morning and it was wall to woll like, guess 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.160 what this is happening. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:22.840 No, it's not. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.440 I was just like, I didn't out louders have time. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.240 I'm too tired and there's enough going on in the 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.800 world that I wish was a joke. Yes, I don't know. 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.120 I don't need any forced fun. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.760 So here's what made our agenda for today. The ABC 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.320 asked working moms for tips on how they get it 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.480 all done, and the comments section rebelled. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.240 Plus BUTA is the new avocado, which is really good 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.240 because I don't like putting avocado on my hot cross bumps. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.080 And Trump is giving yet another estimate of when he 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.920 thinks the US will leave the war in Iran. So 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.120 why are political commentators in set for a Western countries 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.200 really really annoyed. 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.920 But first, in case you missed it, the clitterist has 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.080 been mapped for the first time. There is a map 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.440 of it and its complex tree branch like nerves. Too. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.039 Young Lee and a team of researchers in the. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:21.639 Netherlands have gone where no man has gone before to 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.959 create a three D scan of the clitterists to tell 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:30.440 us exactly how and where orgasms happen. It's only thirty 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.000 years after scientists did the same thing for the penis, 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.560 but you know, better late than never, as they say, 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.559 at least it happened, right, Yes, oh. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.319 Yes, at least it happened. Just took you know, a 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.480 few more decades. But when I saw the image of 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.000 what this clitterist map. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.480 It looks a bit like a wishbone. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.520 It does, and it's kind of like you're trying to 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:54.840 work out the bits that you know. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.000 Do you know what I mean? 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.840 I might I recognize that bit. I don't recognize any 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.440 of the other bits. But I thought it reminds me 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.720 of whenever you get your pelvic floor described to you, 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.800 the anatomy of your pelvic floor, and they try and say, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.280 think of it like a sling. No, that does not 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.640 compute that I have a sling. No, And I thought 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.120 the same thing when I saw the clitterist map. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.760 I thought, does not compute? Where that is where? You're wrong, You're. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.520 Wrong, You're wrong because I'm a gardener. Here it's a tree, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.320 it looks like a tree, it acts like a tree. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.920 But where where Look. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.160 Well, let's be clear, just because a map has been invented, 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.560 let's not expect any male so we might be expecting 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.959 to go near that area, are going to use the map, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.079 reading the map, admit that they might need a direction. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.640 That is not a thing that they will do. However, 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.959 one of the things I found interesting in this is 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.880 said that the clitteriss has been the least studied bit 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.480 of the body for a very long time. And I 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.360 was like, I reckon. A lot of women I know 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.240 have been studying that pretty hard for a pretty long time. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.919 Work in Mum's the maths ain't mathin that was the 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:07.359 cheery opening tile on an Instagram carousel as we call 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.680 them in the business, which is like, you know, some 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.280 slides in a row on Instagram from the ABC that 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.440 was all about working mothers, working parents, the inequality between 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.720 them when it comes to you know, everything, and how 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.480 it's about to be the holidays and how the hell 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.639 do we cope? Right, So they put this slide, these 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.240 slides up that were about, you know this, many days 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.760 of annual leave this, many days of school holidays? How 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.359 do we do it? And they ended it on the 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:35.000 chirpy note of so, how are mothers juggling it all? 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.040 What are your tips for getting it all done? We'd 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.800 love to hear from you. Leave your comments below. And 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:47.400 what happened was a whole lot of women said, what 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.800 are you talking about now? I want to be clear 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.520 that we're not dissing. I'm not discing the ABC here. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.560 We work in digital media. We know how it works. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.480 The social media producer who put those slides together, she 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.520 or he probably missed the tone. As we would say 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.960 in the industry, we'd say the tone was a bit wrong. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.160 But that is easy to do. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.840 We've done it a million times. Sometimes we do it 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.480 on this show like it's not that somebody did a 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:19.000 terrible job. The thing that's interesting is the unilateral rejection 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.360 of the premise from the comments. Typical comments were when 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.719 they said, what do you do? Your tips for getting 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.520 it all done? Were we don't we aren't we're all 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:33.120 completely burnt out. One of my particular favorites was try 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.200 this for a life hack, cry in the shower when 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.839 it all gets too much. You won't scare the kids 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.359 and clean ups a breeze, plus an extra bonus of 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:47.120 saving on tissues winning sarcasm, anger dejection Claire Stevens, Have 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.440 we completely lost our sense of humor about about the 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.360 tricky parts of being a working parent? 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.679 The interesting thing about this post is that, and even 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:03.800 I've seen some commentators who have analyzed it and kind 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:09.800 of re tried to reframe what maybe they could have asked, And. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.040 Even when they do that, literally an. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.440 Overwhelming majority what was in this post was actually really 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.520 good information about how it just as they say, the 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.440 mats a mathim about how much parents are expected to 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.480 work versus how much kids are in school, and there 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.360 are hours of the day that are simply not able 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:30.760 to be accounted. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.599 For because we're on the brink of Easter holidays. To 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.679 make it clear, obviously, if you're a parent, you're probably 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.880 very aware of this. If you're not, you're probably not. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.920 But parents, the ones who are responding to this post 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.520 are facing down two weeks of oh my God, trying 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.560 to divide their annual leave if they're in a couple, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.320 trying to rope in friends who'll have the kids some days, 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.800 so you'll have their kids other days. A mixture of 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.080 like after school campy kind of holiday camp stuff. But 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.040 then who's picking them up and dropping them off. They 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.719 are dealing with a logistical nightmare, and that is why 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.600 they had no time for the cutesy math Saint math 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.400 in line. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.800 But I loved the tone of responses on. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.760 This because I thought, this is why the kind of 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:17.480 unilateral anger and saying yeah, it doesn't it doesn't work, 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:18.839 and there's no tip. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:19.840 There's no like. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.919 Put your kids to bed in their school uniform, or 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.000 there was one I really really felt for this earnest 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.000 person who gave one good tip and they said toast. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.279 Is always an acceptable dinner. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.520 There was actually a second actual tip, which I think 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.520 Holly wrote, which was I find night gardening help. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.640 Well, yeah, it definitely does, but it is That's a 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.280 good point, Claire, because it isn't that long ago, and 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.480 in fact, you know, years ago, I used to host 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.680 a podcast for a while called I Don't Know How 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.640 She Does It, and it was that whole premise of 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:55.240 like busy moms hashtag busy mums sharing their tips literally, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.880 things like put your kids in their school uniform, things 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:02.040 like spend all day Sunday prepping for lunch boxes, things 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.080 like get up an hour before everybody else so that 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.159 you can make sure that the you know, their school 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.000 bags are hanging by the door with everything they need 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:08.600 inside and. 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.320 The word batch yes. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:20.480 So, and that kind of earnest advice just feels very 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.720 out of fashion, don't you think it does? It does? 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.239 And there was one comment that said, instead of better tips, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.040 we need better conditions. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.640 And I wonder if this. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.360 Has because I was trying to work out I was 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.200 thinking about that podcast you hosted, Holly and how for 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.960 a really long time that has been the conversation. I 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.800 don't know how she does it, and really putting women 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.000 up on a pedestal if they appear to be doing 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:43.360 it all. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.320 And I'm thinking therefore that there are some women who 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.480 are definitely doing it all and the rest of us 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:49.480 are just getting it wrong. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.160 Yeah, And then I think the cost of living crisis 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.640 has kind of taken the rose colored glasses off. People 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.840 have realized the only people who appear to be doing 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:03.320 it all are those with a lot of paid help and 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.960 at which is becoming less and less possible for most families. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:13.640 So the sentiment was exactly the sentiment I feel when 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.559 I speak to my friends. But I think it's actually 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.800 quite rebellious from the sentiment we see online normally, because 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:26.160 I usually feel ashamed as a mother online when I 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.760 see all the things you are meant to be doing 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.280 for a baby, a toddler, a primary school kid. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.760 And I kind of liked that it was. I hope 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:35.040 that that. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:41.520 Shared emotion in the comments makes people feel less shame, because. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.439 Really we're all not doing well. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.559 It's really interesting that the guy shifted in that way. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.920 The Cut used to have a column too, called how 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:55.880 I Get It Done, which typically featured successful, wealthy women 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.920 who sometimes admitted to having paid her at home and 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.880 sometimes didn't. But there was very much a sense of 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.600 look up to these women aspire to be these women 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.479 who are incredibly busy and yet somehow juggle it all effortslessly. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.200 And now we've talked about lean back culture and the 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.800 idea of hustle being over, and I think now we 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.720 don't glorify the idea that you can get it all 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:20.559 done anymore. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.680 The problem is, though, isn't it is that whether or 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:28.240 not it's cool to glorify it, most parents do have 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:29.960 to get it all done, you know what I mean. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.400 This is what I've always hated, that kind of having 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.440 it all, doing it all conversation, because it always makes 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.280 us sound greedy, you know, almost like we want all 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.880 the things and it's stressful having them, but we want them. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.880 Whereas the reality is that most parents in Australia, certainly 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.520 the stats would say, I think seventy five percent of 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.439 mothers work outside the home, and obviously there are a 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.440 lot of women who don't, and that's also work. But 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:01.280 it's not the preserve of a few strike saving ambitious people. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.880 It's just the reality of life, right, And so part 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:06.839 of this has to be surely the other reason I 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.000 think that maybe that stuff's gone out of fashion about 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.920 like find a little hole, Heidi, hole way you put 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.120 your kid's shoes so they're always there, and you know, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.120 cut the sandwiches into stars the night before at two am, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.520 and spend all night baking the gluten flea free flapjacks 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.520 for the bake sale and all those kind of things. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.400 Why that's God is because there's also a bit of 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:30.400 a recognized and you're right, Claire that Instagram culture hasn't 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.400 caught up with this yet. But that do we have 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.800 to do all that stuff? Do you know what I mean? 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.400 That actually, maybe being a decent parent doesn't have to 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.240 involve star shaped sandwiches and gluten free flapjacks, unless, of course, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:43.480 gluten free is essential. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.839 Yes, And the reality is a lot of us are 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.079 feeling like we're struggling just to achieve in inverted commas, 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:57.120 the bare minimum, like we like, I'm not at star sandwiches, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.440 I'm at like my child needs to be bathed and. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:06.720 Fed and ked because I think the microbiome it flourished. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.280 Actually actually great point, Matilda has a rash and the 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:10.880 doctor says I'm watching her too much. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.640 That's how you get it all done. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:18.520 For the children, No more so. 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:23.320 But I think this is also why it's genuinely bizarre 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.280 when politics and it feels gas lighty when politicians like 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.839 most recently we had a chat about this in the 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.960 office the newly elected Leader of the Nationals, Matt Canavan, 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.559 said we need more Australian babies and there are these 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:41.480 fearmongering headlines about declining birth rates, as though women have 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:46.480 become selfish and where responsible for the annihilation of the 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.920 human race. And you look around and think, no, people 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.200 just actually can't do this. But the thing that really 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.400 got a lot of those commenters in that ABC post 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.120 was the fact that that final side was towards mothers. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.280 Yes, and the slide literally said mothers, how do you 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:05.120 get it all done? 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:10.360 And it just I think the sentiment has really changed 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.200 that this is a family issue, This is not for women, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.920 and it is so unfair that it is women's job 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.000 to do all of the mental load and all of 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:25.600 the maths about how it ain't mathing and a man 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.600 is okay to just continue his career in his life. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.120 That would have you always had. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.520 It would have been so subversive for that post to 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.040 say on the last slide, father's how do you get 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:36.760 it all done? 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:37.160 Yeah? 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.440 Yeah, gosh, I would love that. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.600 I'm waiting for the day that that's what the post says. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.760 In a moment, we look for nuggets in the big 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:52.240 pile of shit which is Trump and Iran. Look unlike Amelia. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.679 It will shock you all to know I'm not an 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.680 expert in foreign policy, but something I do like to 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.800 credit myself with is having a broad sense of things. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.160 And among all the headlines right now, and there are 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:08.120 more and more, literally by the minute, probably after we've recorded, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:12.320 there will be several more that we've missed. My sense 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.520 about President Donald Trump and the devastating war in Iran is, Sir, 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.240 you have behaved exactly like a toddler, and now the 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.160 world is starting to treat you like one. Speaking to 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.880 reporters in the Oval Office, he was asked when will 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.640 the US be gone and done with the war in Iran? 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.800 And he said, I think we two or three weeks 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.439 will leave because there's no reason for us to do this. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.400 Maybe he should have thought of that before. Theres no reason, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.920 just think just a crazy idea, maybe like a few 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.200 weeks ago, five weeks ago. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.120 What on earth who said we'll be leaving very soon. 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.760 It's literally someone walking into a room destroying everyone's toys 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.000 and then shrugging their shoulders and walking out. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:58.160 But it's worse than that, because there's the question of how. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.720 Like the world deals with the fallout of the destruction 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.800 he's caused. But Trump has a solution, so don't worry 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.800 about that, he said. He's told other countries which refuse 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.960 to get involved in the decapitation of Iran and need 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.920 jet fuel to build up some delayed courage, go to 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.120 the Strait of Humus and just take it. You will 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.680 have to start learning how to fight for yourself. He said, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.800 the USA won't be there to help you anymore, just 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.760 like you weren't there for us. What his attitude now 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.080 is that reopening the Strait of Humors isn't his responsibility, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.040 but definitely is the responsibility of the countries who had 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:34.520 no involvement in starting the. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.040 War that led to it being closed. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.600 He also says he doesn't really think about reopening the strait, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.680 It's just not something that really crosses his mind. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:42.560 I think that's true. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.800 Yeah, yeah, I'm like, thanks for being honest. That's really 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.760 helpful and you won't believe it. But this has left 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.320 a lot of political commentators in Britain, for example, furious. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.480 One Times journalist said, well, thanks a lot, Donald, just great, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.280 And I think that really sums it up. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.560 The reason I love that is because he he apparently 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.480 hates people using his first name. He really doesn't like 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.800 the name Donald, so we should probably all just start 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.800 referring to him as Donald not Trump. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:07.880 But it is. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.560 When you're in trouble, you need your full name, Donald. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.560 Donald Reginald Trump, the third. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.840 That's not his name, you do. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.840 Even the Pope has said, I'm told that President Trump 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.560 has recently stated that he would like. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.720 To end the war. Hopefully he's looking for an off ramp. Emilia. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.760 I love that that Pope pretends he's non American. He's like, 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:28.920 I don't know her, he's Mariah Carey. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.440 In the meme, Amelia, you're worried about Trump finding the 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.000 off ramp because he's currently having issues with exits at 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:37.480 the moment. 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.120 Yeah, I was just loving the news yesterday that his 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:45.360 plans for the White House ballroom. First of all, architects 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.680 looked at them and said, there isn't a door, there's 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.280 no entrance, the stairs lay to nowhere, and the giant 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.320 columns that you want will block the view from the inside. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.440 And then a judge said, you don't own the White House, 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.560 you rent it. You don't get to build your ballroom 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.560 here after all. So I think there's just going to 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.560 be a giant pile of rubble where the east wing 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.120 of the White House once stood. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.960 There's an image of that, and I'm like that image 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.240 is his date of mind. Yeah, and like if you 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.560 project that image onto everything that he does, it's really 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.480 a visual representation of the chaos. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:17.840 Yeah. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.760 Now, look, the reason why we wanted to talk about 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.320 this today is because this war and its effects at 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:30.360 the petrol pump and on our anxiety levels and all 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.160 around the world are really profound, and we had to 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:35.840 find a way to talk about it on the show. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.480 And the message that I want to get across to 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.080 people is that if you think that this doesn't make sense, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.720 and if you think that this makes you want to 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.840 scream and cry in the shower, that's because it doesn't 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.920 make sense, and it is something that makes most people 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.440 who've spent a modercome of time thinking about it, it 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.080 does make them want to scream. I'm not trivializing the 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.320 effects of it the way, because the costs that he's 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.639 inflicting on the world go way beyond the petrol prices, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.879 which in themselves are incredibly profound, particularly for Australians and 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.359 regional areas or Australians who work on farms. There's really 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.639 profun effects here in Australia. But in addition to that, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.120 there's one hundred and sixty eight students who were killed 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.280 in an Iranian school. There are the people in the 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.000 Golf States who are sheltering from Iranian drone attacks, Israel's 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.560 intensifying war in Lebanon. There are crops that won't grow, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.439 there's humanitarian assistants that won't get through because the strait 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.520 is effectively closed. There are some really dire consequences of this. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.159 But at the same time, I don't want anyone to 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.520 think that because the consequence is a dire Trump himself 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.800 had any kind of serious intentions or plan when he 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.320 went in here. He did not have a plan. Just 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.360 on the way in here, someone in the office said 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.119 to me, did he do this because he has the 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.600 Venezuela oil and now he wants more oil? And I 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:02.440 just said, no, No, he's forgotten about It's. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.000 Really hard, big A Melia, because I sit next to 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.439 Milia in the office, and basically what she has to 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.240 say to me twenty five times a day when I'm 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.679 asking her questions about the world is stop trying to 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.920 make it make sense. Yeah, because I'm always saying but why, 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.720 but why? And you and I actually find this profoundly 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.679 useful when you say that when You're like, that's not 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.000 what's going on here. It doesn't make sense. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:24.880 It doesn't make sense. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.240 He has some really big toys at his disposal, which 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.920 is the US military, the world's biggest military, and right 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.119 now he is sending more troops to Iran. So the 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.880 idea that he wants the war to end, sometimes he does, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.400 sometimes he doesn't. He certainly says that he wants to negotiate. 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.640 The problem is that then he says he doesn't care 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.159 what the Iranians have to say, and the Iranians themselves 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.400 are not ready to negotiate. He has started a war 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.560 with someone who might not want to end the war 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.080 when he wants to end the war. So I think 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.359 we just have to divorce ourselves from what Donald says 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.480 and keep watching closely what he does. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.040 Hmm, that's really good advice. Here's another thing I don't understand. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.160 Make it make sense evenough I know it doesn't. Wasn't 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:11.760 one of his big things like no more wars. No, No, 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:18.800 We're not sending any Americans into those conflicts overseas anymore. 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.080 And the mega people all feel that quite strongly, don't they. 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:23.800 So that also doesn't make sense. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.600 And look, that's I think if we're looking for sort 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.159 of a way out of this, because I know the 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.760 question that you have, Holly, in which I haven't, which 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.680 everyone has, is when will this end? 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:32.879 Yes? 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.959 Sorry, I just shook the table. When will descend? 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.480 And one factor I think that is pushing Trump to 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.600 find that off ramp. Donald, sorry, pushing Donald to find 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.960 that off ramp is the domestic political pressure is rising. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.920 People do not like paying more for petrol, and they 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.400 are now paying more than they have since twenty twenty two. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.280 They don't like the idea of American service members caught 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.320 in a foreign war. His approval as sunk into the thirties. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.560 That's not good. He has an election in November, the 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.440 midterm elections. And there was this great, fascinating article in 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.560 the Atlantic this week, right Claire, about how the manisphere 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.520 is turning on him now exactly. 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.840 It was by Elaine Godfrey, and the article referred to 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:23.199 that meme that everybody's probably seen at different points in 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:24.960 the last few years, but it's. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:25.680 Very relevant now. 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.800 And it's the one with a photo of a very 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.119