1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Mama. MI are out loud. It's 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: what women are actually talking about. On Wednesday, the first 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: of April. I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Amelia Leuster, and I'm Klas Stevens. 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: There won't be any April Fools on today's show because 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: we don't like pranks. 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, we should have started the. 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: Joke we should have done. I had Morning TV on 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: this morning and it was wall to woll like, guess 10 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: what this is happening. 11 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: No, it's not. 12 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: I was just like, I didn't out louders have time. 13 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 4: I'm too tired and there's enough going on in the 14 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 4: world that I wish was a joke. Yes, I don't know. 15 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 4: I don't need any forced fun. 16 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: So here's what made our agenda for today. The ABC 17 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: asked working moms for tips on how they get it 18 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: all done, and the comments section rebelled. 19 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 5: Plus BUTA is the new avocado, which is really good 20 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 5: because I don't like putting avocado on my hot cross bumps. 21 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 4: And Trump is giving yet another estimate of when he 22 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 4: thinks the US will leave the war in Iran. So 23 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 4: why are political commentators in set for a Western countries 24 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 4: really really annoyed. 25 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 5: But first, in case you missed it, the clitterist has 26 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 5: been mapped for the first time. There is a map 27 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 5: of it and its complex tree branch like nerves. Too. 28 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 3: Young Lee and a team of researchers in the. 29 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 5: Netherlands have gone where no man has gone before to 30 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 5: create a three D scan of the clitterists to tell 31 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 5: us exactly how and where orgasms happen. It's only thirty 32 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 5: years after scientists did the same thing for the penis, 33 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 5: but you know, better late than never, as they say, 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 5: at least it happened, right, Yes, oh. 35 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 4: Yes, at least it happened. Just took you know, a 36 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 4: few more decades. But when I saw the image of 37 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 4: what this clitterist map. 38 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: It looks a bit like a wishbone. 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: It does, and it's kind of like you're trying to 40 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 4: work out the bits that you know. 41 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? 42 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 4: I might I recognize that bit. I don't recognize any 43 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: of the other bits. But I thought it reminds me 44 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 4: of whenever you get your pelvic floor described to you, 45 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: the anatomy of your pelvic floor, and they try and say, 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 4: think of it like a sling. No, that does not 47 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: compute that I have a sling. No, And I thought 48 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 4: the same thing when I saw the clitterist map. 49 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: I thought, does not compute? Where that is where? You're wrong, You're. 50 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: Wrong, You're wrong because I'm a gardener. Here it's a tree, 51 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: it looks like a tree, it acts like a tree. 52 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: But where where Look. 53 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: Well, let's be clear, just because a map has been invented, 54 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: let's not expect any male so we might be expecting 55 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: to go near that area, are going to use the map, 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: reading the map, admit that they might need a direction. 57 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: That is not a thing that they will do. However, 58 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: one of the things I found interesting in this is 59 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: said that the clitteriss has been the least studied bit 60 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: of the body for a very long time. And I 61 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: was like, I reckon. A lot of women I know 62 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: have been studying that pretty hard for a pretty long time. 63 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: Work in Mum's the maths ain't mathin that was the 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: cheery opening tile on an Instagram carousel as we call 65 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: them in the business, which is like, you know, some 66 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: slides in a row on Instagram from the ABC that 67 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: was all about working mothers, working parents, the inequality between 68 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: them when it comes to you know, everything, and how 69 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: it's about to be the holidays and how the hell 70 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: do we cope? Right, So they put this slide, these 71 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: slides up that were about, you know this, many days 72 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: of annual leave this, many days of school holidays? How 73 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: do we do it? And they ended it on the 74 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: chirpy note of so, how are mothers juggling it all? 75 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: What are your tips for getting it all done? We'd 76 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Leave your comments below. And 77 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: what happened was a whole lot of women said, what 78 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: are you talking about now? I want to be clear 79 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: that we're not dissing. I'm not discing the ABC here. 80 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: We work in digital media. We know how it works. 81 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: The social media producer who put those slides together, she 82 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: or he probably missed the tone. As we would say 83 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: in the industry, we'd say the tone was a bit wrong. 84 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: But that is easy to do. 85 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: We've done it a million times. Sometimes we do it 86 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: on this show like it's not that somebody did a 87 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: terrible job. The thing that's interesting is the unilateral rejection 88 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: of the premise from the comments. Typical comments were when 89 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: they said, what do you do? Your tips for getting 90 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: it all done? Were we don't we aren't we're all 91 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: completely burnt out. One of my particular favorites was try 92 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: this for a life hack, cry in the shower when 93 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: it all gets too much. You won't scare the kids 94 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: and clean ups a breeze, plus an extra bonus of 95 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: saving on tissues winning sarcasm, anger dejection Claire Stevens, Have 96 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: we completely lost our sense of humor about about the 97 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: tricky parts of being a working parent? 98 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 4: The interesting thing about this post is that, and even 99 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 4: I've seen some commentators who have analyzed it and kind 100 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 4: of re tried to reframe what maybe they could have asked, And. 101 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: Even when they do that, literally an. 102 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 4: Overwhelming majority what was in this post was actually really 103 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 4: good information about how it just as they say, the 104 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: mats a mathim about how much parents are expected to 105 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: work versus how much kids are in school, and there 106 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 4: are hours of the day that are simply not able 107 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 4: to be accounted. 108 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: For because we're on the brink of Easter holidays. To 109 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: make it clear, obviously, if you're a parent, you're probably 110 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: very aware of this. If you're not, you're probably not. 111 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: But parents, the ones who are responding to this post 112 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: are facing down two weeks of oh my God, trying 113 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: to divide their annual leave if they're in a couple, 114 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: trying to rope in friends who'll have the kids some days, 115 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: so you'll have their kids other days. A mixture of 116 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: like after school campy kind of holiday camp stuff. But 117 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: then who's picking them up and dropping them off. They 118 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: are dealing with a logistical nightmare, and that is why 119 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: they had no time for the cutesy math Saint math 120 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: in line. 121 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: But I loved the tone of responses on. 122 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: This because I thought, this is why the kind of 123 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 4: unilateral anger and saying yeah, it doesn't it doesn't work, 124 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 4: and there's no tip. 125 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: There's no like. 126 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 4: Put your kids to bed in their school uniform, or 127 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 4: there was one I really really felt for this earnest 128 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: person who gave one good tip and they said toast. 129 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: Is always an acceptable dinner. 130 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 5: There was actually a second actual tip, which I think 131 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 5: Holly wrote, which was I find night gardening help. 132 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it definitely does, but it is That's a 133 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: good point, Claire, because it isn't that long ago, and 134 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: in fact, you know, years ago, I used to host 135 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: a podcast for a while called I Don't Know How 136 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: She Does It, and it was that whole premise of 137 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: like busy moms hashtag busy mums sharing their tips literally, 138 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: things like put your kids in their school uniform, things 139 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: like spend all day Sunday prepping for lunch boxes, things 140 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: like get up an hour before everybody else so that 141 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: you can make sure that the you know, their school 142 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: bags are hanging by the door with everything they need 143 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: inside and. 144 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: The word batch yes. 145 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: So, and that kind of earnest advice just feels very 146 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: out of fashion, don't you think it does? It does? 147 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 4: And there was one comment that said, instead of better tips, 148 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: we need better conditions. 149 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: And I wonder if this. 150 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 4: Has because I was trying to work out I was 151 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: thinking about that podcast you hosted, Holly and how for 152 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 4: a really long time that has been the conversation. I 153 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: don't know how she does it, and really putting women 154 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: up on a pedestal if they appear to be doing 155 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: it all. 156 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking therefore that there are some women who 157 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: are definitely doing it all and the rest of us 158 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: are just getting it wrong. 159 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I think the cost of living crisis 160 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: has kind of taken the rose colored glasses off. People 161 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: have realized the only people who appear to be doing 162 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: it all are those with a lot of paid help and 163 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 4: at which is becoming less and less possible for most families. 164 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: So the sentiment was exactly the sentiment I feel when 165 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 4: I speak to my friends. But I think it's actually 166 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: quite rebellious from the sentiment we see online normally, because 167 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: I usually feel ashamed as a mother online when I 168 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: see all the things you are meant to be doing 169 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 4: for a baby, a toddler, a primary school kid. 170 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: And I kind of liked that it was. I hope 171 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: that that. 172 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 4: Shared emotion in the comments makes people feel less shame, because. 173 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: Really we're all not doing well. 174 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 3: It's really interesting that the guy shifted in that way. 175 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 5: The Cut used to have a column too, called how 176 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 5: I Get It Done, which typically featured successful, wealthy women 177 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 5: who sometimes admitted to having paid her at home and 178 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 5: sometimes didn't. But there was very much a sense of 179 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 5: look up to these women aspire to be these women 180 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,479 Speaker 5: who are incredibly busy and yet somehow juggle it all effortslessly. 181 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 5: And now we've talked about lean back culture and the 182 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 5: idea of hustle being over, and I think now we 183 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 5: don't glorify the idea that you can get it all 184 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 5: done anymore. 185 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: The problem is, though, isn't it is that whether or 186 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: not it's cool to glorify it, most parents do have 187 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: to get it all done, you know what I mean. 188 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: This is what I've always hated, that kind of having 189 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: it all, doing it all conversation, because it always makes 190 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: us sound greedy, you know, almost like we want all 191 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: the things and it's stressful having them, but we want them. 192 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: Whereas the reality is that most parents in Australia, certainly 193 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: the stats would say, I think seventy five percent of 194 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: mothers work outside the home, and obviously there are a 195 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: lot of women who don't, and that's also work. But 196 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: it's not the preserve of a few strike saving ambitious people. 197 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: It's just the reality of life, right, And so part 198 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: of this has to be surely the other reason I 199 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: think that maybe that stuff's gone out of fashion about 200 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: like find a little hole, Heidi, hole way you put 201 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: your kid's shoes so they're always there, and you know, 202 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: cut the sandwiches into stars the night before at two am, 203 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: and spend all night baking the gluten flea free flapjacks 204 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: for the bake sale and all those kind of things. 205 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: Why that's God is because there's also a bit of 206 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: a recognized and you're right, Claire that Instagram culture hasn't 207 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: caught up with this yet. But that do we have 208 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: to do all that stuff? Do you know what I mean? 209 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: That actually, maybe being a decent parent doesn't have to 210 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: involve star shaped sandwiches and gluten free flapjacks, unless, of course, 211 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: gluten free is essential. 212 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 4: Yes, And the reality is a lot of us are 213 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 4: feeling like we're struggling just to achieve in inverted commas, 214 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: the bare minimum, like we like, I'm not at star sandwiches, 215 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 4: I'm at like my child needs to be bathed and. 216 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 5: Fed and ked because I think the microbiome it flourished. 217 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: Actually actually great point, Matilda has a rash and the 218 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: doctor says I'm watching her too much. 219 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: That's how you get it all done. 220 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: For the children, No more so. 221 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 4: But I think this is also why it's genuinely bizarre 222 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: when politics and it feels gas lighty when politicians like 223 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 4: most recently we had a chat about this in the 224 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 4: office the newly elected Leader of the Nationals, Matt Canavan, 225 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 4: said we need more Australian babies and there are these 226 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: fearmongering headlines about declining birth rates, as though women have 227 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: become selfish and where responsible for the annihilation of the 228 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: human race. And you look around and think, no, people 229 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 4: just actually can't do this. But the thing that really 230 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 4: got a lot of those commenters in that ABC post 231 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 4: was the fact that that final side was towards mothers. 232 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: Yes, and the slide literally said mothers, how do you 233 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: get it all done? 234 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 4: And it just I think the sentiment has really changed 235 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 4: that this is a family issue, This is not for women, 236 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: and it is so unfair that it is women's job 237 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: to do all of the mental load and all of 238 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: the maths about how it ain't mathing and a man 239 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: is okay to just continue his career in his life. 240 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 4: That would have you always had. 241 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 5: It would have been so subversive for that post to 242 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 5: say on the last slide, father's how do you get 243 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 5: it all done? 244 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 245 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, I would love that. 246 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 4: I'm waiting for the day that that's what the post says. 247 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: In a moment, we look for nuggets in the big 248 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 4: pile of shit which is Trump and Iran. Look unlike Amelia. 249 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 4: It will shock you all to know I'm not an 250 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 4: expert in foreign policy, but something I do like to 251 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: credit myself with is having a broad sense of things. 252 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 4: And among all the headlines right now, and there are 253 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 4: more and more, literally by the minute, probably after we've recorded, 254 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 4: there will be several more that we've missed. My sense 255 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 4: about President Donald Trump and the devastating war in Iran is, Sir, 256 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 4: you have behaved exactly like a toddler, and now the 257 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 4: world is starting to treat you like one. Speaking to 258 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 4: reporters in the Oval Office, he was asked when will 259 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 4: the US be gone and done with the war in Iran? 260 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 4: And he said, I think we two or three weeks 261 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 4: will leave because there's no reason for us to do this. 262 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: Maybe he should have thought of that before. Theres no reason, 263 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: just think just a crazy idea, maybe like a few 264 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: weeks ago, five weeks ago. 265 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 4: What on earth who said we'll be leaving very soon. 266 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 4: It's literally someone walking into a room destroying everyone's toys 267 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: and then shrugging their shoulders and walking out. 268 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: But it's worse than that, because there's the question of how. 269 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: Like the world deals with the fallout of the destruction 270 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: he's caused. But Trump has a solution, so don't worry 271 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: about that, he said. He's told other countries which refuse 272 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 4: to get involved in the decapitation of Iran and need 273 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 4: jet fuel to build up some delayed courage, go to 274 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: the Strait of Humus and just take it. You will 275 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 4: have to start learning how to fight for yourself. He said, 276 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: the USA won't be there to help you anymore, just 277 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: like you weren't there for us. What his attitude now 278 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: is that reopening the Strait of Humors isn't his responsibility, 279 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: but definitely is the responsibility of the countries who had 280 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: no involvement in starting the. 281 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: War that led to it being closed. 282 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: He also says he doesn't really think about reopening the strait, 283 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: It's just not something that really crosses his mind. 284 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: I think that's true. 285 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm like, thanks for being honest. That's really 286 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: helpful and you won't believe it. But this has left 287 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: a lot of political commentators in Britain, for example, furious. 288 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: One Times journalist said, well, thanks a lot, Donald, just great, 289 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: And I think that really sums it up. 290 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: The reason I love that is because he he apparently 291 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 5: hates people using his first name. He really doesn't like 292 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 5: the name Donald, so we should probably all just start 293 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 5: referring to him as Donald not Trump. 294 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: But it is. 295 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: When you're in trouble, you need your full name, Donald. 296 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: Donald Reginald Trump, the third. 297 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: That's not his name, you do. 298 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 4: Even the Pope has said, I'm told that President Trump 299 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 4: has recently stated that he would like. 300 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: To end the war. Hopefully he's looking for an off ramp. Emilia. 301 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 5: I love that that Pope pretends he's non American. He's like, 302 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 5: I don't know her, he's Mariah Carey. 303 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: In the meme, Amelia, you're worried about Trump finding the 304 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: off ramp because he's currently having issues with exits at 305 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 4: the moment. 306 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just loving the news yesterday that his 307 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 5: plans for the White House ballroom. First of all, architects 308 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 5: looked at them and said, there isn't a door, there's 309 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: no entrance, the stairs lay to nowhere, and the giant 310 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 5: columns that you want will block the view from the inside. 311 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: And then a judge said, you don't own the White House, 312 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 5: you rent it. You don't get to build your ballroom 313 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 5: here after all. So I think there's just going to 314 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 5: be a giant pile of rubble where the east wing 315 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 5: of the White House once stood. 316 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 4: There's an image of that, and I'm like that image 317 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: is his date of mind. Yeah, and like if you 318 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: project that image onto everything that he does, it's really 319 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: a visual representation of the chaos. 320 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 321 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 5: Now, look, the reason why we wanted to talk about 322 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 5: this today is because this war and its effects at 323 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 5: the petrol pump and on our anxiety levels and all 324 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 5: around the world are really profound, and we had to 325 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 5: find a way to talk about it on the show. 326 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 5: And the message that I want to get across to 327 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 5: people is that if you think that this doesn't make sense, 328 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 5: and if you think that this makes you want to 329 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 5: scream and cry in the shower, that's because it doesn't 330 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 5: make sense, and it is something that makes most people 331 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 5: who've spent a modercome of time thinking about it, it 332 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 5: does make them want to scream. I'm not trivializing the 333 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 5: effects of it the way, because the costs that he's 334 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 5: inflicting on the world go way beyond the petrol prices, 335 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 5: which in themselves are incredibly profound, particularly for Australians and 336 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 5: regional areas or Australians who work on farms. There's really 337 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 5: profun effects here in Australia. But in addition to that, 338 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 5: there's one hundred and sixty eight students who were killed 339 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 5: in an Iranian school. There are the people in the 340 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 5: Golf States who are sheltering from Iranian drone attacks, Israel's 341 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 5: intensifying war in Lebanon. There are crops that won't grow, 342 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 5: there's humanitarian assistants that won't get through because the strait 343 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 5: is effectively closed. There are some really dire consequences of this. 344 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 5: But at the same time, I don't want anyone to 345 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 5: think that because the consequence is a dire Trump himself 346 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 5: had any kind of serious intentions or plan when he 347 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 5: went in here. He did not have a plan. Just 348 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 5: on the way in here, someone in the office said 349 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 5: to me, did he do this because he has the 350 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 5: Venezuela oil and now he wants more oil? And I 351 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 5: just said, no, No, he's forgotten about It's. 352 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: Really hard, big A Melia, because I sit next to 353 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: Milia in the office, and basically what she has to 354 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: say to me twenty five times a day when I'm 355 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: asking her questions about the world is stop trying to 356 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: make it make sense. Yeah, because I'm always saying but why, 357 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: but why? And you and I actually find this profoundly 358 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: useful when you say that when You're like, that's not 359 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: what's going on here. It doesn't make sense. 360 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. 361 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 5: He has some really big toys at his disposal, which 362 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 5: is the US military, the world's biggest military, and right 363 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 5: now he is sending more troops to Iran. So the 364 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 5: idea that he wants the war to end, sometimes he does, 365 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 5: sometimes he doesn't. He certainly says that he wants to negotiate. 366 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 5: The problem is that then he says he doesn't care 367 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 5: what the Iranians have to say, and the Iranians themselves 368 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 5: are not ready to negotiate. He has started a war 369 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 5: with someone who might not want to end the war 370 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 5: when he wants to end the war. So I think 371 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 5: we just have to divorce ourselves from what Donald says 372 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 5: and keep watching closely what he does. 373 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: Hmm, that's really good advice. Here's another thing I don't understand. 374 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: Make it make sense evenough I know it doesn't. Wasn't 375 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: one of his big things like no more wars. No, No, 376 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: We're not sending any Americans into those conflicts overseas anymore. 377 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: And the mega people all feel that quite strongly, don't they. 378 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: So that also doesn't make sense. 379 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 5: And look, that's I think if we're looking for sort 380 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 5: of a way out of this, because I know the 381 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 5: question that you have, Holly, in which I haven't, which 382 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 5: everyone has, is when will this end? 383 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 6: Yes? 384 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 3: Sorry, I just shook the table. When will descend? 385 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 5: And one factor I think that is pushing Trump to 386 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 5: find that off ramp. Donald, sorry, pushing Donald to find 387 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 5: that off ramp is the domestic political pressure is rising. 388 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 5: People do not like paying more for petrol, and they 389 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 5: are now paying more than they have since twenty twenty two. 390 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 5: They don't like the idea of American service members caught 391 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 5: in a foreign war. His approval as sunk into the thirties. 392 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 5: That's not good. He has an election in November, the 393 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 5: midterm elections. And there was this great, fascinating article in 394 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 5: the Atlantic this week, right Claire, about how the manisphere 395 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 5: is turning on him now exactly. 396 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 4: It was by Elaine Godfrey, and the article referred to 397 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 4: that meme that everybody's probably seen at different points in 398 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 4: the last few years, but it's. 399 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: Very relevant now. 400 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: And it's the one with a photo of a very 401 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 4: serious looking white man and the headline is heartbreaking. The 402 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 4: worst person you know just made a great point, and 403 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 4: it's about Godfrey writes about how the manisphere have turned 404 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: against Trump and while it's annoying because it was this 405 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 4: not necessarily republican but anti establishment, anti woke crowd that 406 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 4: actively pushed for his second term and probably made a 407 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 4: massive difference in how the election turned out, they are 408 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 4: losing faith. She references a recent episode of The Flagrant 409 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 4: podcast hosted by Andrew Schultz where they have a debate 410 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 4: about manscaping methods. First, so I think that's important to 411 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 4: know the context. And then it's not about the glitterorist 412 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 4: map's interesting. Manscaping is all the craze and they have. 413 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: A downloadable pdffort. I'm sure they're very concerned. 414 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Schultz leans back and says, are you guys, like, 415 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 4: do you feel existential anxiety about the war? 416 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: This is like that moment in Barbie? Do you ever 417 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: think about diet? 418 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: And he goes. 419 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 4: He says later, Americans can't fucking afford healthcare. They don't 420 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 4: care about what's happening in Iran. He also said, naturally, 421 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 4: Americans are furious about it, right because we're. 422 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: Like, how the fuck does it benefit me? 423 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 4: I can't afford to pay for college, I can't buy 424 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 4: a home I can't pay for health insurance, and we're 425 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 4: going to spend billions of dollars in a war in 426 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 4: a country I can't even point to on a map, 427 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 4: and it's like Andrew Loan your geography. But Joe Rogan 428 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 4: also complained that Trump's moves in Iran are so insane 429 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 4: based on what he ran on and he said this 430 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: week that MAGA is a movement of a bunch of 431 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: fucking dorks. And so I think that it's interesting to 432 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: see this sway. And the theory that Godfrey puts forward 433 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: in the article is that when it's time to vote 434 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 4: in the midterms, these kinds of Americans, no one's expecting 435 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 4: them to have swayed Democrat, but they are likely to 436 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 4: just stay home. And maybe that's a bit of a 437 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 4: silver lining. 438 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: Look, I'm going to bring a couple more hope punky 439 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: things because I think that hope punk is trying to 440 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: write again. It's trying like hope punk, which is the idea, 441 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: you know that the most radical thing you can be 442 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: is hopeful in a world like this, and I feel 443 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: like the hope punk's like trying to get on the 444 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: charging horses. They're like trying to get. 445 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 3: Their foot over them. They're like, come on, get it out. 446 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: Let's go through. In Britain and all over America and 447 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: all over the world. In fact, there were lots of 448 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: massive protests on the weekend, mostly very peaceful, no King's 449 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: protests as they call it in Britain. It was against 450 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: the rise of the far right Britain, which is a 451 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: very real thing. And the slogan, which I think is 452 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: really clunky and it might need some work, but that 453 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: the progressive left trying to bring to these protests is 454 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: make hope normal again, which I don't know. 455 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 2: It doesn't have quite but I totally. 456 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: Get what they mean. They're like, the norm has become 457 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: to be incredibly for very good reason, to be incredibly 458 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: nihilistic and gloomy about everything, and they're trying to be like, 459 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: let's make it. Let's make it normal again, to think, well, 460 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: maybe we can pull this back, maybe we can make 461 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: a difference, maybe community intervention will really help all those things. 462 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: One of the knock ons of this crisis has been 463 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: in Australia at least that searches an interest in evs 464 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: and solar panels and all those things have searched massively 465 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty percent increase on searches for whether 466 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: or not you can buy an ev on whether or 467 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: not you should put solar on your roof. So it 468 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: could be this, this thing, which may be a serious 469 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: crisis and maybe a short term panic, might be one 470 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: of the things that pushes us to realize that it's 471 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: not just good for the environment but good for our 472 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: back pockets, which is often how we actually make that decisions. 473 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 5: I think that's a really interesting point, and it makes 474 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 5: me think that how COVID kind of reset what we 475 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 5: think the workplace needs to look like for many people. 476 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 5: Obviously not for all people, but for particular sectors. I 477 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 5: wonder if this crisis will reset the global dependence on 478 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 5: oil because we realized that we don't want that to 479 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 5: happen again. 480 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: Trump's been the unlikely trigger for focus on renewables, and 481 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming. 482 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: Neither did he. 483 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: As we know. 484 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: The motto of. 485 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 5: This segment, So we hope this has been useful in 486 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 5: conveying that there's no answer to why. There's no single 487 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: answer to why or what the ground strategy is behind 488 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 5: what Trump is doing. 489 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 3: That said, there. 490 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 5: Are two announcements to watch in the next twenty four hours, 491 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 5: which might give us a clue as to where things 492 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 5: are headed. The first is that Donald Trump is giving 493 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 5: an address to Americans on Wednesday evening in DC, that 494 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 5: is Thursday morning Australian Eastern. He could be escalating things 495 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 5: in the region, he could be de escalating. We just 496 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 5: don't know what he'll be saying in that. And then 497 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 5: tonight at seven Anthony Albanesi will be addressing Australians or 498 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 5: we know for sure is that he's going to be 499 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 5: talking about the war and the fuel crisis. Just for context, 500 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 5: the last two occasions for addresses like this to the 501 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 5: nation were COVID and the GFCS. So I do think 502 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 5: that it is worth watching this carefully after the break 503 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 5: apparently but as a health food. 504 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 3: Now, I've got. 505 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: Some exciting news from China. Apparently gen Z's all over 506 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: their social media and their massive social media networks in China, 507 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: one's called Red Note, ones called Waibo have all been 508 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: changing their profile pictures to one woman, Chris Jenna. 509 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: Here is. 510 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: His Chinese TikToker Marcella Wang explaining why gen. 511 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 6: Z unread, notably by using Christianner as their profile picture, 512 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 6: can bring good luck, career, success, wealth and confidence all 513 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 6: coming your way because Christianner is one of the hardest 514 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 6: working businesswomen in the US, and Chinese people really respect 515 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 6: hard work, so cosplay Christianner is like a gen Z 516 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 6: funny way to manifest success. 517 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: He went on to say that there are people who 518 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: if you look at these social media sites, just loads 519 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: and loads of different pictures of Christianna, and some people 520 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: have aied her into their work outface. So there's like 521 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: Christian is a doctor, Christian is a lawyer, Christian is 522 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: a construction worker, Christians engineer. And they've said things like 523 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: I was literally about to have a mental breakdown last night, 524 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: but I changed my profile pick to Christianna and now 525 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I can slay. My confidence is through 526 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: the roof. And someone else said, I changed my profile 527 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: picture to Christianna and I got two jobs off as 528 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: a media I am trying it right now, is Christianny, 529 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: You're manifesting success manifestation model Claire. 530 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 4: When I think about visualizing manifestation, you know, you create 531 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 4: your own reality. 532 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 2: All of that stuff. 533 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 4: I mean, Chris Jennal wasn't immediately where my mind went, 534 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 4: But now that you say it, you know, big, audacious goals, 535 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: seems to reach them. She real she really shoots for 536 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 4: a lot of things, and some of them really land. 537 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: And I find do I find that inspiring? Not really, 538 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: But I think I'm really glad that people are finding 539 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: her to be an unlikely here. 540 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 5: She might wind up being the most enduring of the Kardashians. 541 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 5: Don't you think there's something purely iconic about her at 542 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 5: this point in a way where the other Kardashians heyprogenies, fortunes, 543 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 5: wax and weighing a little bit, but Chris endures. You 544 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 5: may have noticed that butter is on everything these days. 545 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 5: Sydney's royle is to show you can even get a 546 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 5: butter dipped soft serve, and the Guardian writer went to 547 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 5: describe it and described it as a textural roller coaster. 548 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 5: They did note that the butter doesn't melt at the 549 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 5: same speed as the ice cream, and so you end 550 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 5: up with all these chewy chunks. 551 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 4: I really hate, I really hate this idea, because if 552 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 4: it's butter dipped, does that mean the butter is like 553 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 4: all melted, like yeah, like liquid. 554 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's liquid butter. 555 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 5: And then the writer also said that there's some cognitive 556 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 5: dissonance when you eat this soft serve because you keep 557 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 5: thinking it's a chop top, like you keep thinking that 558 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 5: the butter will shatter in a crispy way, but it's butter, 559 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 5: so it never shatters. 560 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: It just kind of oozes. 561 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: It's so much dairy. 562 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: Well, perhaps it's. 563 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 5: A good thing that butter dip soft serve is not 564 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 5: that delicious, because by all accounts, it's not very good 565 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 5: for you. Oh, there are approximately ten to seventeen grams 566 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 5: of saturated fat in one butter dip soft and the 567 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 5: National Public Health Information Service says you should only really have. 568 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: About twenty to twenty five grams of saturated fat a day, 569 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: so it's basically almost all your saturated fat in one 570 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: soft serve. 571 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: But Amelia, there are so many TikTokers telling me that 572 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: saturated fatty that's true. 573 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: It would be wrong with just eating one and a 574 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 4: half butter stipped soft serves and that's a whole intake 575 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: for the day. 576 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 5: I don't understand you, so absolutely nothing. Chris Joanna would 577 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 5: probably do the same thing. There are people who have 578 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 5: now become convinced that butter is a health food. So 579 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 5: The Cut reported on this Instagram trend where parents are 580 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 5: giving their babies just whole sticks of butter as a 581 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 5: snack and you can watch videos of the kid just 582 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 5: eating the butter. And then there was one for older kids. Holly, 583 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 5: this could work for your family. After dinner, one mother 584 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 5: cuts up slabs of butter and she shouts to her 585 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 5: older kids in this instagram, come get your snack. 586 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: I love butter, A love butter, and but the my 587 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: my twisted inner toxic diet culture goblin who was forged 588 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: in the fires of Generation X diet culture could never 589 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: like I could never. But what I thought was interesting 590 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: when I was reading all these things about the influencers 591 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: were saying that butter just eat loads and loads of butter. 592 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: Is there's always one grain of truth in the in 593 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: the wellness information, isn't that? Which is somebody says eating 594 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: more butter can cure depression. 595 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely yes it can. 596 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: Have you ever met a hot Cross bun dripping with butter? 597 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: You will be happier as soon as you eat it, 598 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: So that's clearly a proven health health improvement. 599 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 5: It's funny you should mention the hot cross bunds because 600 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 5: TikTok experts are claiming that everyone is eating their hot 601 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 5: cross buns wrong. You're meant to cut them, they say, 602 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 5: in three into essentially three slices of hot cross bun, 603 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 5: like horizontally horizontally, And that's because, well, I don't know 604 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 5: what horizontally. So you don't mean like, get a hot 605 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 5: cross bun and just cut it into three pieces. You 606 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 5: mean hold it on its edge and slice it into 607 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 5: three circles. 608 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: Correct, three circles. 609 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 5: And they say that's because you're allowing for more surface 610 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 5: area for the butter. But then my question is, isn't 611 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 5: that just raisin toasty? And I know that neither of 612 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 5: you want us to talk about this topic. Holy you 613 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 5: really looked uncomfortable when I raised it and insisted on 614 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 5: talking about it today, probably for gen next reason. 615 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 3: Probably Claire, I know you didn't want. 616 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 5: To talk about it because one time I walked into 617 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 5: the kitchen and you had done a horrifying thing with 618 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 5: your snack. 619 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: It really upsets everyone. 620 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 4: So the thing is that I don't like butter, but 621 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 4: more specifically I don't like butter sush. I can't eat 622 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 4: butter when I can see it, so on toast, et cetera, 623 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 4: because is literally my worst nime. 624 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: I would just gag. The idea of it makes me 625 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: gag because I think I think it's because. 626 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: When I threw up my nan whenever she made us 627 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 4: toast or sandwiches or whatever, you should have seen it. 628 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: It was just chunks. 629 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: Because Irish background, right, yes, and Irish people love but generalization. 630 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: But it's carry gold like it's yeah, butter is a thing. 631 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: Butter and salt. She used to put salt on. 632 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: It, which those are the those are the two. Every 633 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: chef will tell you that the two secrets. Speaking anything 634 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: tastes good of fat and salt, Fat and salt. So 635 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: she knew that she was really Michel. 636 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. 637 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 4: But I remember biting into into a sandwich and just 638 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 4: gagging because there was that just the biggest chunk of butter. 639 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 4: And I feel like this is it is like a generation, 640 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 4: like the amount of the amount of butter. 641 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: They went over the top. 642 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 5: And this is a lot of throat clearing to explain 643 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 5: that you eat your vegement toast without butter on it. 644 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 4: Correct inside vegi might toast and like quite a bit 645 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 4: of vegimite, Like like I. 646 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 5: Like you said that Donald Trump was like not thinking straight. 647 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: I don't know about you it's. 648 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: Got to have you see somebody. I heard somebody say 649 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: this recently. I think it was an Irish person. In fact, 650 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: crumpet's are one. I love a crumpet, but you have 651 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: to have so much butter. 652 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: On that to sink into the hole and it sinks in. 653 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: And someone said you have to wait for the crumpet 654 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: to weat itself. Well, the butter has to go all 655 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 1: the way through so that it's like it's weed itself. 656 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 6: I don't know the. 657 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 5: History of the crumpet, but it strikes me something that 658 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 5: was invented precisely just to provide more surface area for butter. 659 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 6: A vehicle. 660 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 5: We had English muffins or muffins as they're no one, 661 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 5: and then someone came. 662 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 3: Up with crumpet. 663 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 4: They're like, because they're poorous, there are some food you need. 664 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: The adoption a vehicle for butter, mashed potato vehicle for butter. 665 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: That's that's the way it works. 666 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 4: Let's be clear what they are doing on TikTok is 667 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 4: not verified health information. 668 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: So if you want to. 669 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 4: Give your kid butter, that's fine, but I wouldn't say 670 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 4: whole slabs. But I'm actually in in terms of the 671 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 4: mums who are giving their babies sticks of butter. It 672 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 4: did take me a little while to understand that just 673 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 4: because I hate butter, it's cruel to not put butter 674 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 4: on my daughter's food. And she loves if we go, 675 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 4: if we've ever gone out to dinner, she gets the 676 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 4: little thing of butter and just sticks her finger and 677 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 4: it and eats it. 678 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, no, I can't take that joy 679 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: away from you. 680 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 4: But it is true that between like, especially in the 681 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 4: first few years of life, you need lots and lots 682 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: and lots. 683 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 2: Of fat for brain development. 684 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 3: And not just brain development. 685 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 5: There's a foundation that has pretty sure no scientific impact, 686 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 5: but which is quoted a lot in these Instagram posts, 687 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 5: the Western A Price Foundation. It suggests that babies who 688 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 5: eat more butter are likely to have broad, handsome faces. 689 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 5: I saw that who doesn't want a broad, handsome face. 690 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: It definitely would be happier. As Persecure's depression angle from ear, 691 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen influences walking down the street eating 692 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: a stick of butter in New York City. You have 693 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: on the internet, like not in real life, but like 694 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's a thing. It's a thing to be 695 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: like literally eating a stick of butter like a chord, 696 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love butter, not that as discussed, 697 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: I couldn't possibly eat it. But that's not true. 698 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 3: But you were edging off your chair when we were talking. 699 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: About but the idea of it like walking down the street, 700 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: like licking it like an ice cream just seems like stop. 701 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 5: Now. 702 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: I know we all need content, people, but we're just 703 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: getting too far, too far. 704 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 4: What I love is that it went like butter, and 705 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 4: then everybody went, oh, you know what, avocados are much 706 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 4: healthier fat, So where possible perhaps put avocado where you 707 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 4: may have once put butter, And now everybody's chucking out 708 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 4: avocado for butter. But this is why I I was 709 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 4: thinking about this the other day because I really struggle 710 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 4: with cooking with food, with what the hell I'm meant 711 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 4: to eat at any given time, what you're meant to 712 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 4: feed a kid, all of that stuff. 713 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 2: And if you've got a really little baby. 714 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 4: There are professionals who can talk to you about what 715 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 4: to feed your baby. Probably don't get that advice from TikTok. 716 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 4: This is the thing where in this moment of like, 717 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 4: we're very into unprocessed foods are good because the processing 718 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 4: and refined carbs and all of that was apparently very 719 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 4: bad and so unprocessed foods unprocessed foods, but is largely unprocessed. 720 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: But then it's also not good for cholesterol. 721 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for like my very straight laced 722 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: GP who's literally still sitting there advising people over forty 723 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: like myself to be like, swap it for a low 724 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: cholesterol spread. And then to me just like pulling out 725 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: my phone and showing. 726 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 5: For just whipping out a stick of butter and just 727 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 5: chomping into it. Look, this is why I know. But 728 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 5: it's very unprocessed and gives a broad handsome face. I 729 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 5: think that. I think the Hot Cross funds. I'm putting 730 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 5: it on a perhaps a little bit more. 731 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 3: Process Yeah, that's actually knock yourself out. 732 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: People. 733 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 4: GPT did tell me if you're gonna have butter, don't 734 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 4: have it with refined sugar such as pastries, And I'm like, 735 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 4: but have you heard? 736 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 2: Like, but what other context is there's a cross. 737 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: It's made of butter, butter and butter, and that's why 738 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: it's good. 739 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 5: All I'm asking is you don't cut your hot Cross 740 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 5: one in three no. 741 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: No, ow, loudest thank you, as always for listening to 742 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: the number one podcast in Australia. I'm going to ask 743 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: you one more time at least a treat. Perhaps. You 744 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: know we like chocolate egg. We also like a review 745 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: rate and review five stars, preferably, not that I'm telling 746 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: you to live your life anyway. We also want to 747 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: remind you that if you want to become a subscriber, 748 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: this is a really good time because. 749 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 4: You get twenty five percent off an annual subscription until 750 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 4: midnight tonight. Yes that's April one, and it's not an 751 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 4: April Fools joke. 752 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: You gotta take it seriously. 753 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: It's just occurred to me that everyone's going to think 754 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: that people eating sticks of butter is an April Fools 755 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: It's not. It's real anyway. Sorry, I interrupted, and you. 756 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 4: Get two extra episodes of Out Loud in your ears, 757 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 4: and so you'll be getting out Loud five days a week. 758 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: One more thing before we go. This is a long weekend. 759 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: But on Friday you are getting your ordinary Friday episode 760 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: because it might be good Friday, but we are bad. 761 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: So we are giving you your usual show on Friday. 762 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: And there'll be a little treating your feed on Monday 763 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: and Chris Jenner works hard, but we working change your 764 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: profile else. Yeah, Manifest working the long weekend. I know 765 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: many of you will be. Thank you to our incredible 766 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: team for putting this show together with such care as 767 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: they always do. 768 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 4: Bye Mummere acknowledges the traditional owners 769 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 2: Of the land on which we recorded this podcast.