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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mamma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast. The Quickie, a Melbourne influencer, has sparked debate

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Speaker 2: after revealing she spent forty five thousand dollars to ensure

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Speaker 2: history of one of the most controversial red carpets of

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Speaker 2: with the latest from The Quickie Newsroom, fourth Thursday May fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Disgraced music mogul Sean Diddy Combe's ex girlfriend

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Speaker 1: of her taking part in his drug fueled freakoff parties

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Speaker 1: that he told her he would ruin everything she'd worked

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Speaker 1: she would be shamed, calling the threats horrible and disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Jurors were shown a text message sent by Combs to

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Speaker 1: Ventura where he claimed to have deleted the videos, but

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Speaker 1: Ventura said she saw them on his devices on several occasions.

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Speaker 1: The jury is expected to be shown the graphic videos

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Speaker 1: Ventura explained how she ended up having so much sex

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Speaker 2: Next the debate around IVF selection. If you could pick

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Speaker 2: needed to avoid serious genetic conditions, but hundreds of Australian

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Speaker 2: Jane what actually goes into the process of choosing your

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Speaker 3: What we do is just the standard IVF processes. We

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Speaker 3: They can determine the sex of the embryo, and then

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Speaker 2: Is it a risky process? I imagine you're taking little

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Speaker 3: All processes in IVF come with some form of risk.

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Speaker 3: There's no guarantee or fertilization of the X. The embryos

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Speaker 3: It's part of the embryo. It's called the trefectodom where

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Speaker 2: What about expense. I mean, the story that's in the

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Speaker 3: I think when you have people who are traveling internationally

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Speaker 3: So the NHMRC, or the National Health and Medical Research

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Speaker 3: It is ethically acceptable to do gender selection to reduce

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Speaker 2: Why do people take such different sides on these is

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Speaker 3: There was a review done by Greg Hunt last year

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Speaker 3: which is a roadmap for Fertility to reshape the landscape

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Speaker 2: Set against the backdrop of the French Riviera, the can

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Speaker 2: Film Festival has been Europe's premier showcase for cinema since

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the rule breakers in a moment, but

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Speaker 2: first a brief history of the dos and don'ts for

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Speaker 2: corduroy tuxedo. In nineteen sixty, author Henry Miller was actually

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Speaker 2: ejected from screenings for refusing to wear a dinner jacket.

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Speaker 2: The rules for women have sparked particular controversy. In twenty eleven,

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Speaker 2: both Uma Thurman and in Theirs de la Frassange made

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Speaker 2: headlines by wearing flat sandals, while Julia Roberts went completely

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Speaker 2: barefoot in twenty sixteen. Kristen Stewart made her own statement

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen when she kicked off her heels on

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Speaker 2: the red carpet. Like you're saying this, people get.

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Speaker 4: Very upset at you if you like, don't wear heels

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Speaker 4: ask people that anymore. It's just kind of a given. Like,

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Speaker 4: if you're not asking guys to wear heels in a dress,

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Speaker 4: you cannot ask me either.

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Speaker 2: The festival's rules extend beyond just clothing. Also, in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: they banned red carpet selfies altogether. Last year, Jennifer Lawrence

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Speaker 2: she did later clarify it wasn't a political statement, her

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Speaker 2: shoes were just too small. The dress code has also

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Speaker 2: faced criticism for its lack of inclusivity. In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: DJ Kitty Smile was initially denied entrance for wearing a

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Speaker 2: floral gown, with security condescendingly asking if it was a

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Speaker 2: traditional African outfit. This year, the festival is banned naked dresses,

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Speaker 2: those sheer, transparent frocks that became almost like a bit

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Speaker 2: Hadid's headline making shea Saint Laurent gown in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: but the stars are already pushing back. At this year's

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Speaker 2: opening ceremony, multiple attendees defied the new no voluminous designs

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Speaker 2: six years, the spirit of Red carpet rebellion is alive

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Speaker 2: and well at CAHN. Thanks for taking some time to

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Speaker 2: feed your mind with us today. The Quikie is produced

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Speaker 2: by me Taylor Strano and Clare Murphy, with audio production

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Speaker 2: by Lou Hill.