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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 2: to Canceled, The Lazy Girl's Guide to Pop Culture.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jesse Stephens and I'm Claire Stephens.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of canceled, we are about to be canceled

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Speaker 2: because what we're going to do today is unpack the

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Speaker 2: biggest movie of the year. Some would say of all time.

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Speaker 2: I would say the moment, at the moment, until Gladiator

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Speaker 2: is out.

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Speaker 3: I think it is out.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I think Gladiator is out. I mean

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Speaker 2: until we've all seen Gladiat We're okay. The movie we're

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Speaker 2: talking about is Wicked.

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Speaker 4: Fellow Ouzian, the Wicked Winter of the West is dead.

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Speaker 3: You agree, I am. We were a mess that day. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we are almost doing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And because we're singing, it lives.

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Speaker 3: That's how we sound together. I just had a thought

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Speaker 3: right now, and I thought to myself.

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Speaker 1: If we were instruments, what will be I was like,

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Speaker 1: you and Glinda would be a flupe and alphabet. I

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Speaker 1: think would be a clarinet.

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Speaker 4: I've seen this week people are taking the lyrics of

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Speaker 4: defying gravity and really holding space with that and feeling

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Speaker 4: power in that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that that was happening.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it. Yeah, that's really powerful.

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Speaker 3: We're not haters.

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Speaker 2: We are not haters, despite the title of our podcast

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Speaker 2: and our general and our general energy, not haters. We

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Speaker 2: love a musical. Have we seen Weeket at the theater twice?

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Speaker 3: I believe I've seen it in London. Wow, that's not

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Speaker 3: like you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Wizard of Oz slaps. We are on the

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Speaker 2: same page about that. Yeah. Do we entirely understand Wicked?

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Speaker 2: The first two times I saw it at the theater,

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Speaker 2: not fully, And I think that is an indictment on me.

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Speaker 2: There was so much that I was so into the

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Speaker 2: plot of the film Wicked because I was like, this

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Speaker 1: New to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, even though I knew.

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Speaker 2: Two of the songs popular and defying Gravity, couldn't remember

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Speaker 2: how she got great. This episode will be an attempt

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Speaker 2: to process what is happening, because literally everyone's crying, they're

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Speaker 2: holding space for their power, they're saying phrases. It don't

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Speaker 2: seem to make sense. As culture critic Hunter Harris put it,

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Speaker 2: the Wicked press tour has defied reason, language boundaries, and manicures.

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Speaker 2: And this is really just the beginning. Our structure for

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Speaker 2: today is as follows, and warning this is going to

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Speaker 2: be unnecessarily comprehensive.

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Speaker 3: Well, what are we canceling today?

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Speaker 2: Because I thought we were doing a canceled episode on

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Speaker 2: the Wicked press tour, but you seem to have broadened it.

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Speaker 3: I have because what.

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Speaker 2: We did is last night, you and I went to

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Speaker 2: see the film. We frantically went to see frantically went

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Speaker 2: to the film. We have a cousin who loves musicals,

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Speaker 2: and we called him at four o'clock and we said,

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Speaker 3: We're going to get popcorn. There's gonna be a frozen coat.

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Speaker 2: And he said, I'll be there with my good theater

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Speaker 2: And I feel that because we've seen it, we should comment. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: there be spoilers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what a spoiler is.

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Speaker 2: At this point, most people know the story because they

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Speaker 2: structure is the affair fan Ai controversy, the small zy

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Speaker 2: interview that holding space in your power while defying gravity interview,

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Speaker 2: a list of all the things that have made Cynthia

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Speaker 3: No, you can't. There's not enough time. Someone needs to

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Speaker 2: And finally, some notes on the actual movie before we

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Speaker 2: I thought I would do a bit of a cliff note.

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Speaker 2: I'm confused because there's a prequel and there's a sequel,

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Speaker 2: and there's a part one, and there's Oz, and there's Wicked,

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Speaker 2: can't remember that. But there's a story of the Wizard

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Speaker 2: it was made into a film with Judy Garland in

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Speaker 3: Is that the one I've seen?

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Speaker 3: Fabulous film, fabulous. In nineteen ninety five, they had color

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, a man named Gregory Maguire published

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Speaker 2: a novel called Wicked, The Life and Times of the

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Speaker 2: Wicked Witch of the West. It was a revisionist exploration

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Speaker 2: being the witch Alphaba, and it looked at themes of

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Speaker 2: evil versus nurture, social ostracism, radicalization, terrorism, propaganda, and life purpose.

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Speaker 2: Apparently he was quite influenced by the James Bolger case.

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Speaker 2: That was a case a little boy who was killed

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Speaker 2: he go back in human and humanize Alpha Bar. That's

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Speaker 2: what he did in two thousand and three. It was

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Speaker 2: in November of this year the movie was released, starring

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Speaker 2: Cynthia Arrivo as Alpha Ba and Ariana Grande as a

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Speaker 2: as aforementioned, seen the musical we can't, for the life

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Speaker 2: of us tell you what happens in part two. We

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Speaker 2: seen the musical. Well you'll know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was the end till it said to

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Speaker 2: It's their favorite musical of all time. The second is

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Speaker 2: like when did we all become on first name basis

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Speaker 2: with Alphaba? Like when and how did you get so

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Speaker 3: And like why do you know the law?

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Speaker 2: The They're like, Ariana, she always wanted to be in this,

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Speaker 2: Ariana Grande wanted to play Alpha ba What Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: The thing I've realized is that the reason we didn't

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Speaker 2: seeing people outing themselves as mad Wicked fans. They're like,

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Speaker 3: You were keeping that in why?

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Speaker 2: And then they're like, yeah, notice how alphable went haha,

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Speaker 2: very very tired. Okay, we're going to begin with the affair. Claire,

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Speaker 2: up to the Wicked press tour, there was a lot

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Speaker 2: love between Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arrivo.

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Speaker 3: Though much has said of that, which we will.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the love between Ariana Grande and her

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Speaker 2: literal lover Boch.

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Speaker 3: Is that his name?

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Speaker 2: It sounds like when my baby can't say a word properly,

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like when she says mock when she wants

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, his name's Ethan Slater. Firstly, what is an

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Speaker 2: I've never seen I've never seen that man before in

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Speaker 3: The culture does this. The culture loves to be like

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Speaker 3: remember with the this is us? Well, what was that mean?

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Speaker 3: It ends with us? And everyone knew who that man was,

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Speaker 3: And I was like, she knew who it was.

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Speaker 2: We weren't on first name basis with him before this

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Speaker 2: the deal with Ethan Slater seems lovely. Not a household man.

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Speaker 2: No No, But with the musical he received a Tony

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Speaker 2: named Boch. Grande and Slater were both legally married to

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Speaker 2: around marriage, Yeah, great question, Dalton Gomez. Who's Dalton was

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Speaker 2: her husband? Okay, yeah, husband of a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: And then Ethan Slater was married to his high school sweetheart,

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Speaker 2: Lily Jay that's lovely, with whom he had just had

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Speaker 2: a baby, one year old, one year old little boy.

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Speaker 2: So they welcomed that baby boy in August twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Filming for Wicked starts in December twenty twenty two. That's

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Speaker 2: not sounding good. So in January twenty twenty three, Grande

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Speaker 2: TMZ claimed their relationship suffered after the pandemic restrictions were

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Speaker 2: lifted because Gomez was taken aback by his wife's fame.

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Speaker 2: Oh sir, your wife is literate, Ariana Grande.

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Speaker 3: When she licked a donut? Yeah yeah, we do.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard songs such as break Free or Into

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Speaker 2: You or no Tears Left to Cry, which it appears

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Speaker 2: as premature because she did in fact, many tears left

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Speaker 2: to cry about Wicked? But mate, literally check your phone,

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Speaker 2: turn on your television, turn on the radio. Yeah, your

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Speaker 3: That's very a man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, being like like I didn't realize you were yeah famous,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm Mariana fucking Grande. There's gonna be paparazzi.

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Speaker 3: We've been in COVID for too long and you forgot.

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Speaker 2: But in March twenty twenty three, Grande and Slater a

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Speaker 2: photograph together with the cast. You know when the cast

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Speaker 2: hangs out socially, it was one of those. In May,

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Speaker 2: Grande shared a photo of her husband to celebrate their

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Speaker 3: A lot of people have said, Ethan.

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Speaker 2: You blow up your marriage for a small part. It

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she really really has. Yeah. He just talked about

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Speaker 2: did you see this a few months ago?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So the original Broadway poster is like, yeah, it's very matter. Okay,

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Speaker 2: They changed the color of her lips, and they changed

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Speaker 2: Because one, they can be different posters. You don't need

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Speaker 2: and I do think everyone needs to put down your phone,

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Speaker 2: here's what Cynthia said.

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Speaker 3: She didn't like it. Oh, she didn't like it.

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Speaker 2: She reposted the image very outrage okay, and she said,

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's like large I know

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, yeah right. None of this is funny,

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Speaker 2: None of it is cute. It degrades me, It degrades us.

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Speaker 2: The original poster is an illustration. I'm a real human

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. That all of it is

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Speaker 3: We're taking it.

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Speaker 2: Would you say that that poster is the most offensive

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Speaker 2: Ariana Grande was asked about Cynthia's reaction on the Red Carpet,

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Speaker 2: She said, it's very complicated because now she speaks like Glinda,

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Speaker 2: so she's like, it's very complicated.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yes, her voice has fundamentally changed.

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Speaker 2: It's because I find a eyes so conflicting and troublesome sometimes.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's just kind of such a massive

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Speaker 4: Such a massive adjustment period. And this is something that

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Speaker 3: I sometimes it goes too far. I yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 4: And I have so much respect for my sister Cynthia,

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, Claire Ai is conflicting in trouble. Okay.

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Speaker 2: People have said I actually did know about that response,

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Speaker 2: But they were like, it's actually quite a good app

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Speaker 2: a human moment of wanting to protect little Alphaba. She added,

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Speaker 2: I probably should have called my friends, but it's fine, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's how all of us feel about the time we went.

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Speaker 3: Not for me, that sums up the Internet.

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Speaker 2: Every time I see someone get mad or jump on

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Speaker 2: a pylon, I think this is what your group chat

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Speaker 3: Great, there will draw function.

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Speaker 2: You can circle what you're mad about and draw an

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Speaker 3: But I actually don't think this is a story about AI, Claire.

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Speaker 3: I think it's about photoshop. I don't know over riga fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you ever go so wicked fandom that Alpha

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Speaker 3: Is that not something else.

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Speaker 2: I'd say to Cynthia Riva where she's like, I'm protecting

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Speaker 2: people upset. I kept thinking alphabet is not real. I

428
00:22:03,869 --> 00:22:06,149
Speaker 2: was thinking that this is a fictional story. But you

429
00:22:06,229 --> 00:22:09,229
Speaker 2: actually can't say okay, sorry, okay, I'm gonna get in trouble.

430
00:22:09,309 --> 00:22:12,949
Speaker 2: Claire The Small Thing interview. We love when Australia gets

431
00:22:12,989 --> 00:22:17,429
Speaker 2: caught up in drama. Jeff, Remember how in twenty fourteen,

432
00:22:17,549 --> 00:22:22,389
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande reportedly left an Australian media photo shoot because

433
00:22:22,389 --> 00:22:24,829
Speaker 2: she didn't like how her top looked. Yeah, but then

434
00:22:24,869 --> 00:22:27,149
Speaker 2: she's here and she's like the land of ours. Yeah,

435
00:22:27,229 --> 00:22:31,189
Speaker 2: it's like she's so you left. I love being here

436
00:22:31,229 --> 00:22:34,789
Speaker 2: and It's like you did an MX photo shoot and

437
00:22:34,949 --> 00:22:37,429
Speaker 2: you didn't want the natural light and you wanted to

438
00:22:37,429 --> 00:22:38,949
Speaker 2: be only photographed.

439
00:22:38,429 --> 00:22:39,149
Speaker 3: From your left side.

440
00:22:39,389 --> 00:22:45,029
Speaker 2: MX didn't make it, andr, MX wasn't obeying your commands,

441
00:22:45,429 --> 00:22:48,389
Speaker 2: and you left and you never came back. And honestly,

442
00:22:48,949 --> 00:22:53,429
Speaker 2: respect respect you know from Glinda, you know what doesn't

443
00:22:53,469 --> 00:22:57,309
Speaker 2: exist anymore. Ex do we call her Glinda or GARLANDA

444
00:22:57,429 --> 00:23:05,469
Speaker 2: Superfans call her Garlinger, war gar Linda call her Glinda.

445
00:23:05,829 --> 00:23:08,709
Speaker 2: That's because her name's Glinda. Yeah, I think the Garlander

446
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:12,029
Speaker 2: thing was just a joke. Superman's are like she's Garlander

447
00:23:12,069 --> 00:23:13,589
Speaker 2: for most of the film.

448
00:23:13,949 --> 00:23:16,269
Speaker 3: That's what. Yeah. No, I don't.

449
00:23:16,829 --> 00:23:19,989
Speaker 2: In terms of Ariana walking out of MX, I just

450
00:23:19,989 --> 00:23:22,589
Speaker 2: want to say, Arianna, you're better than that, Like you're

451
00:23:22,589 --> 00:23:24,869
Speaker 2: better than MX. I don't know why you should never

452
00:23:24,909 --> 00:23:27,989
Speaker 2: have done MX, why you're put in that situation. Sorry, No,

453
00:23:28,069 --> 00:23:30,629
Speaker 2: I'm sorry and speaking very Australia to be like you

454
00:23:30,669 --> 00:23:31,829
Speaker 2: want to come and be an MX.

455
00:23:32,389 --> 00:23:34,349
Speaker 3: We're probably going to cancel it next year.

456
00:23:35,429 --> 00:23:40,829
Speaker 2: And we won't take your request series. We'll treat you

457
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:42,189
Speaker 2: like shit and then we'll write about it in the

458
00:23:42,229 --> 00:23:42,749
Speaker 2: Daily Mail.

459
00:23:42,749 --> 00:23:47,149
Speaker 3: How about that? That's some fun Vogue Vogue, US will

460
00:23:47,189 --> 00:23:48,429
Speaker 3: take your request seriously.

461
00:23:48,989 --> 00:23:54,149
Speaker 2: But us this photographer who again isn't going to have

462
00:23:54,269 --> 00:24:00,789
Speaker 2: much next year he will be He's respect who will AnyWho?

463
00:24:00,829 --> 00:24:05,389
Speaker 2: Australia emparasales wells yet again with Ariana when an interview

464
00:24:05,429 --> 00:24:07,269
Speaker 2: with a radio personality went viral.

465
00:24:07,429 --> 00:24:08,749
Speaker 3: Jess, have you seen it? No?

466
00:24:08,829 --> 00:24:14,509
Speaker 2: I actually have our Wow Nova presenter Kent Smallsy Smalls.

467
00:24:14,589 --> 00:24:15,629
Speaker 2: I didn't know his first name.

468
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:16,629
Speaker 3: I can't picture him.

469
00:24:16,829 --> 00:24:23,029
Speaker 2: Smallsey, Jesse be bald. You know Smallsey. You have seen

470
00:24:23,069 --> 00:24:27,549
Speaker 2: Smallsey at premieres, at media events. He's always okay, all right,

471
00:24:27,589 --> 00:24:29,709
Speaker 2: well yes, Smallsey okay, yeah.

472
00:24:29,749 --> 00:24:29,949
Speaker 3: Well.

473
00:24:30,029 --> 00:24:32,789
Speaker 2: He posted a clipped social media of him speaking to

474
00:24:32,829 --> 00:24:37,349
Speaker 2: Ariana and Cynthia about the movie, but straight away everyone

475
00:24:37,469 --> 00:24:40,629
Speaker 2: was like, wait, you're clearly far more interested in directing

476
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:44,349
Speaker 2: your questions to Ariana. And someone did an analysis of

477
00:24:44,429 --> 00:24:48,429
Speaker 2: like how much he directed his questions towards Ariana versus

478
00:24:48,469 --> 00:24:50,389
Speaker 2: Cynthia and it was something like eighty twenty.

479
00:24:50,909 --> 00:24:56,509
Speaker 3: Like he clearly was like hard. I interviewed once Paul

480
00:24:56,589 --> 00:25:01,309
Speaker 3: Rudd and another man. Fuck it was hard. Oh no,

481
00:25:01,549 --> 00:25:03,549
Speaker 3: he was a man. It was for ant man.

482
00:25:03,789 --> 00:25:08,389
Speaker 2: But I was like, I respectfully, I don't know you respectfully.

483
00:25:08,509 --> 00:25:11,989
Speaker 2: Besides Paul, I just want to ask him questions. Yeah,

484
00:25:11,429 --> 00:25:15,709
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that I'm not judging Smallsey

485
00:25:15,789 --> 00:25:18,429
Speaker 2: for this. I'm genuinely not because that happens a lot

486
00:25:18,469 --> 00:25:21,229
Speaker 2: in media, where you know you're going to get more

487
00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:24,029
Speaker 2: clicks on a story, more people are going to listen

488
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:27,029
Speaker 2: to your soundbites, more people are going to watch the videos. Yeah,

489
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:29,909
Speaker 2: but that sucks for Cynthia, like she's literally the main character.

490
00:25:29,989 --> 00:25:32,029
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it really sucks for her.

491
00:25:32,069 --> 00:25:35,589
Speaker 2: But from Smallsey's perspective, he's clearly like, I'm doing this

492
00:25:35,629 --> 00:25:39,909
Speaker 2: for radio, and Ariana Grande in terms of celebrity, is

493
00:25:39,949 --> 00:25:42,069
Speaker 2: a bigger celebrity than Cynthia, So I'm going to direct

494
00:25:42,109 --> 00:25:44,189
Speaker 2: my questions to her. And it's like, dude, everybody got

495
00:25:44,229 --> 00:25:47,469
Speaker 2: to that point. I realized it was like a bit

496
00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:50,349
Speaker 2: of a dickhead thing. Yeah, and then even doubt their creation.

497
00:25:50,709 --> 00:25:51,189
Speaker 3: Yeah.

498
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:54,109
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you run out of time, Jesse. I want

499
00:25:54,109 --> 00:25:57,589
Speaker 2: to show you some of the clip.

500
00:25:57,469 --> 00:25:58,269
Speaker 4: Mask you Ariana.

501
00:25:58,429 --> 00:26:01,629
Speaker 3: I heard a story that you obviously you wanted this

502
00:26:01,709 --> 00:26:02,509
Speaker 3: job of the role.

503
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:04,669
Speaker 1: Yeah, your whole life, right.

504
00:26:05,309 --> 00:26:07,549
Speaker 2: Where were you when you got the call that said, yep,

505
00:26:07,589 --> 00:26:08,669
Speaker 2: we want you to be part of it.

506
00:26:08,709 --> 00:26:09,869
Speaker 1: Do you remember what you were.

507
00:26:09,709 --> 00:26:10,509
Speaker 2: Doing that day?

508
00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:13,749
Speaker 4: I do, actually, but we both have really fun stories.

509
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:15,149
Speaker 1: Well we both have to tell them.

510
00:26:15,229 --> 00:26:17,749
Speaker 3: But you have a fun story. Tell your story. Well

511
00:26:17,789 --> 00:26:20,549
Speaker 3: I was in London, and well so everyone else is

512
00:26:20,589 --> 00:26:24,109
Speaker 3: in la And quickly, quickly, when are you bring ram

513
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:27,189
Speaker 3: Beauty to Australia. This is what's like, Oh my god,

514
00:26:27,349 --> 00:26:28,909
Speaker 3: soon soon, we are working on it.

515
00:26:28,989 --> 00:26:30,469
Speaker 4: And then the other question that the fans want to

516
00:26:30,509 --> 00:26:32,669
Speaker 4: know is music and tour and when will you be

517
00:26:32,669 --> 00:26:35,429
Speaker 4: coming back to Australia. Oh my goodness, we both yes,

518
00:26:35,629 --> 00:26:37,469
Speaker 4: well together, oh my god, we've both will come back

519
00:26:37,469 --> 00:26:39,109
Speaker 4: here as soon as we humanly possibly can.

520
00:26:39,189 --> 00:26:40,669
Speaker 3: Yes, it is so great to see again Arianna.

521
00:26:40,709 --> 00:26:41,829
Speaker 2: It has been so many years.

522
00:26:41,869 --> 00:26:43,989
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the time. She is such

523
00:26:43,989 --> 00:26:46,949
Speaker 3: a pro, is a pro.

524
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:52,349
Speaker 2: Everybody said, she is a masterclass in kind of deflecting

525
00:26:52,749 --> 00:26:55,749
Speaker 2: the awkward so really politely. Yeah, she could have been rude,

526
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:57,829
Speaker 2: and we've seen those viral And I have a theory

527
00:26:57,829 --> 00:27:00,389
Speaker 2: that we'll get to about why this press to her

528
00:27:00,389 --> 00:27:02,149
Speaker 2: has looked like this, and I think it's in reaction

529
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:04,469
Speaker 2: to that. It ends with us like lively drama than

530
00:27:04,469 --> 00:27:07,789
Speaker 2: the Anne Hathaway and all of these leaked interviews of

531
00:27:07,829 --> 00:27:11,869
Speaker 2: celebrities being mean and they have done the exact opposite.

532
00:27:11,949 --> 00:27:15,909
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but he literally at the end just says

533
00:27:15,949 --> 00:27:16,909
Speaker 2: goodbye to Ariana.

534
00:27:17,109 --> 00:27:18,589
Speaker 3: Oh, like it's so bad.

535
00:27:18,629 --> 00:27:21,949
Speaker 2: So he asks her how she felt when she received

536
00:27:21,949 --> 00:27:25,069
Speaker 2: the call notifying her that she had won the role

537
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:29,229
Speaker 2: of Glinda, and doesn't ask Cynthia that question, and then

538
00:27:29,229 --> 00:27:32,909
Speaker 2: Arianna has to like even it out. Then Cynthia's talking

539
00:27:32,949 --> 00:27:36,549
Speaker 2: and smalls, he cuts her off to redirect questions to Arianna,

540
00:27:37,429 --> 00:27:40,469
Speaker 2: and then he asks her when she's going to be

541
00:27:40,469 --> 00:27:43,789
Speaker 2: coming back for a tour, when her like makeup line

542
00:27:43,829 --> 00:27:45,869
Speaker 2: or something's gonna come to a stral. It's just very

543
00:27:45,949 --> 00:27:49,109
Speaker 2: like directing the questions to her and not very wicked. No,

544
00:27:49,349 --> 00:27:51,989
Speaker 2: And just the people were so upset because this is

545
00:27:52,069 --> 00:27:54,389
Speaker 2: the sort of thing that really upsets people on the

546
00:27:54,429 --> 00:27:58,029
Speaker 2: internet because they're protective. Yeah, there are comments such as

547
00:27:58,029 --> 00:28:00,869
Speaker 2: and they're like, I have a question for Cynthia. Yeah yeah,

548
00:28:00,949 --> 00:28:04,549
Speaker 2: there are comments such as this in capitals. Stop disrespecting

549
00:28:04,709 --> 00:28:09,029
Speaker 2: Cynthia arivo wo wo Yeah. Yeah, he needs to be

550
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:12,309
Speaker 2: fired immediately. This is super disrespectful. This movie is not

551
00:28:12,349 --> 00:28:16,069
Speaker 2: only about Glinda. Ariana Grande. This movie is about them both,

552
00:28:16,709 --> 00:28:21,709
Speaker 2: especially Cynthia's character. Everyone got really upset Jess that holding

553
00:28:21,789 --> 00:28:26,509
Speaker 2: space in your power while defying gravity interview. Everyone thought

554
00:28:26,749 --> 00:28:30,509
Speaker 2: the Wicked Press Tour had reached peak Wicked Press Tour.

555
00:28:30,629 --> 00:28:35,709
Speaker 2: Ye and then Ariana Grande gently yet earnestly clutched onto

556
00:28:35,829 --> 00:28:41,109
Speaker 2: cynthia repos mail for emotional support while they discussed how

557
00:28:41,189 --> 00:28:44,709
Speaker 2: it is important to hold space for defying gravity. So

558
00:28:44,909 --> 00:28:47,349
Speaker 2: much of this has been lost on me, but I

559
00:28:47,389 --> 00:28:50,149
Speaker 2: have watched this clip, yeah, fifteen times.

560
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:52,829
Speaker 3: I really enjoy it. I'm trying to be moved.

561
00:28:52,869 --> 00:28:57,069
Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand, and I cannot decode what is

562
00:28:57,109 --> 00:29:00,469
Speaker 2: being said. Well, everyone in this film is so profoundly

563
00:29:00,509 --> 00:29:03,989
Speaker 2: moved by themselves. Okay, and this interview sums it up.

564
00:29:04,509 --> 00:29:07,549
Speaker 2: The writer Hunter Harris put it beautifully on Substack when

565
00:29:07,589 --> 00:29:11,269
Speaker 2: she wrote what began as a regular junket interview without

566
00:29:11,309 --> 00:29:15,989
Speaker 2: dot COM's Tracy E. Gilchrist turned into an uncanny display

567
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:20,029
Speaker 2: of this ferocity of feeling. Gilchris's interview starts off as

568
00:29:20,069 --> 00:29:24,149
Speaker 2: normal as any junket interview could. Now that junkets are

569
00:29:24,189 --> 00:29:26,109
Speaker 2: more how much can I leave an impression on this

570
00:29:26,189 --> 00:29:30,389
Speaker 2: famous person unless traditional question and answer. Yes, that is

571
00:29:30,469 --> 00:29:35,189
Speaker 2: such a good point. Erry, I'm going to impress the celebrity. Yeah,

572
00:29:35,549 --> 00:29:37,629
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have a moment with a celebrity. Does

573
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:38,749
Speaker 2: this serve anyone else?

574
00:29:38,949 --> 00:29:41,269
Speaker 3: No? No, no, am I going to ask them anything?

575
00:29:41,829 --> 00:29:44,229
Speaker 2: That it will make for a video which will have

576
00:29:44,429 --> 00:29:47,549
Speaker 2: seven million hits on TikTok. It'll make for a video

577
00:29:47,749 --> 00:29:49,549
Speaker 2: that will be good on my socials?

578
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:52,229
Speaker 3: Yeah, really really good for my kind of platform.

579
00:29:52,269 --> 00:29:54,909
Speaker 2: Why else are we doing anything if not for a

580
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:59,749
Speaker 2: video on my social At some point during one of

581
00:29:59,789 --> 00:30:03,829
Speaker 2: Gilchris's questions to Grante, she starts clutching a Rebos fingernail.

582
00:30:03,949 --> 00:30:07,749
Speaker 2: Everything's fine, yeah, but she does onto it promotional support.

583
00:30:08,509 --> 00:30:12,189
Speaker 2: And then there's the exchange and Jess, I'm going to

584
00:30:12,229 --> 00:30:15,869
Speaker 2: play the interviewer, okay, and you're going to play Cynthia Arrivo.

585
00:30:16,109 --> 00:30:16,349
Speaker 3: Yeah.

586
00:30:16,429 --> 00:30:18,429
Speaker 2: My question is do you think you've watched this enough

587
00:30:18,469 --> 00:30:19,669
Speaker 2: to really get the emotion right?

588
00:30:20,189 --> 00:30:23,269
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm the journalist. Okay.

589
00:30:23,469 --> 00:30:26,229
Speaker 2: This week people are taking the lyrics to define gravity

590
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:29,229
Speaker 2: and really holding space with that and feeling power in that.

591
00:30:29,869 --> 00:30:32,749
Speaker 2: Would you touch on that moment in the film when

592
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:35,629
Speaker 2: Alphaba has been banished, and yet she comes into her

593
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:40,389
Speaker 2: full power at that moment of the worst time, overcome

594
00:30:40,429 --> 00:30:42,629
Speaker 2: with emotion. That's in brackets.

595
00:30:43,589 --> 00:30:46,389
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was happening. I've seen it.

596
00:30:47,109 --> 00:30:51,349
Speaker 2: That's really powerful. That's what I wanted. I didn't know

597
00:30:51,389 --> 00:30:54,829
Speaker 2: that was happening. At this point, the journalist is clearly

598
00:30:54,829 --> 00:30:59,309
Speaker 2: stressed because she doesn't know what they're talking about. I

599
00:30:59,709 --> 00:31:03,109
Speaker 2: think that often. Ariana doesn't either. No, she's like, I've

600
00:31:03,189 --> 00:31:03,589
Speaker 2: missed it.

601
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:05,669
Speaker 3: I tuned out.

602
00:31:05,749 --> 00:31:08,469
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I reckon the journalists wedding because she's like,

603
00:31:08,869 --> 00:31:12,429
Speaker 2: I think Cynthia, though, has misunderstood what I said, which

604
00:31:12,469 --> 00:31:14,749
Speaker 2: is fair because I also don't know what I mean.

605
00:31:15,309 --> 00:31:17,469
Speaker 2: And now it's done and I can't watch it. Yeah,

606
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:19,109
Speaker 2: I'm in the moment because it's one of those things.

607
00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:20,669
Speaker 2: I get it all the time when I'm interviewing people.

608
00:31:20,669 --> 00:31:22,429
Speaker 2: Because you're a little bit nervous, you start a question,

609
00:31:22,429 --> 00:31:23,429
Speaker 2: you go, I don't know where this is going.

610
00:31:23,429 --> 00:31:24,429
Speaker 3: I don't know where this is going, and.

611
00:31:24,349 --> 00:31:26,869
Speaker 2: Then you finish, and then then you both look at

612
00:31:26,909 --> 00:31:28,789
Speaker 2: each other and you're like, please save me.

613
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:35,989
Speaker 3: And when you live, you have last about holding.

614
00:31:35,789 --> 00:31:42,789
Speaker 2: Space shown me a journalist who was not huge about

615
00:31:42,829 --> 00:31:43,629
Speaker 2: holding space.

616
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:46,949
Speaker 3: You're holding space for defying gravity? Is very there.

617
00:31:46,989 --> 00:31:51,989
Speaker 2: Paras around this interview, and I felt myself bump up

618
00:31:52,029 --> 00:31:57,629
Speaker 2: against every single one until I landed in this nowhing space. Okay, okay,

619
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:59,749
Speaker 2: back to the interview, yap. I've seen it on a

620
00:31:59,749 --> 00:32:03,109
Speaker 2: couple of posts. I don't know how wide spread, but

621
00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:05,749
Speaker 2: you know, I am in queer media, so that's my

622
00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:09,749
Speaker 2: You know, at this point, the journalist is killing time.

623
00:32:10,709 --> 00:32:11,829
Speaker 3: She wants to let the.

624
00:32:11,829 --> 00:32:15,589
Speaker 2: Interview end so no one ever has to address the misunderstanding.

625
00:32:16,709 --> 00:32:21,549
Speaker 3: And Cynthia goes, yeah, but yeah, it's happened.

626
00:32:22,269 --> 00:32:25,789
Speaker 2: What Cynthia didn't ask that, but I'm asking as a viewer,

627
00:32:26,229 --> 00:32:27,989
Speaker 2: what has happened?

628
00:32:28,029 --> 00:32:28,709
Speaker 3: What happened?

629
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:31,429
Speaker 2: So I tried to work out what the journalist was

630
00:32:31,469 --> 00:32:34,829
Speaker 2: talking about, okay, in terms of people holding space with

631
00:32:34,949 --> 00:32:39,789
Speaker 2: the lyrics to define gravity. Variety interviewed that journalist and

632
00:32:40,029 --> 00:32:43,549
Speaker 2: this is what they asked, Yeah, do you recall any

633
00:32:43,589 --> 00:32:48,669
Speaker 2: of the posts that inspired your question? For Cynthia and Ariana,

634
00:32:49,349 --> 00:32:52,789
Speaker 2: And she says this, most of it actually came from

635
00:32:52,829 --> 00:32:55,829
Speaker 2: a conversation with a friend. I was using that to

636
00:32:55,869 --> 00:32:58,549
Speaker 2: tee up the question, and I was a little thrown

637
00:32:58,589 --> 00:33:02,949
Speaker 2: off by Cynthia's response because it was so sincere and real.

638
00:33:03,549 --> 00:33:06,149
Speaker 2: I was a little flustered. I could have said I

639
00:33:06,189 --> 00:33:08,909
Speaker 2: have all these friends and this is our conversation, but

640
00:33:09,069 --> 00:33:13,709
Speaker 2: instead I said I'm in queer media. I have so

641
00:33:13,869 --> 00:33:16,109
Speaker 2: done that. I have said, oh my god, have you

642
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:19,029
Speaker 2: seen that x y Z? And if anyone interrogated me

643
00:33:19,069 --> 00:33:22,309
Speaker 2: on it, I'd be like link. I'd be like, I'm

644
00:33:22,309 --> 00:33:24,309
Speaker 2: gonna be real. My mom sent me a link and

645
00:33:24,349 --> 00:33:27,869
Speaker 2: it might be fake news. Didn't actually open it. But

646
00:33:27,989 --> 00:33:29,789
Speaker 2: it's so like you just had a conversation with a

647
00:33:29,829 --> 00:33:31,509
Speaker 2: friend and then you're like, there's this you know, thing

648
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:33,389
Speaker 2: that's happening, and she's like, I don't know that was

649
00:33:33,789 --> 00:33:39,469
Speaker 2: and you're like, it's not except privately, except privately with

650
00:33:39,549 --> 00:33:40,109
Speaker 2: me and my friend.

651
00:33:40,309 --> 00:33:43,069
Speaker 3: Mean to hold space for defining gravity? Excuse me? Can

652
00:33:43,109 --> 00:33:43,909
Speaker 3: they use that space?

653
00:33:43,989 --> 00:33:44,829
Speaker 1: Or are you holding it?

654
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:45,429
Speaker 4: You can't?

655
00:33:45,469 --> 00:33:47,149
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm holding it. That's fine.

656
00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:48,909
Speaker 3: May I ask what you're holding it for?

657
00:33:49,069 --> 00:33:49,909
Speaker 1: I think we both know?

658
00:33:50,189 --> 00:33:51,749
Speaker 3: Is it the lyrics of define gravity?

659
00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:55,069
Speaker 1: Was walking beautiful? I didn't know people were doing that.

660
00:33:55,389 --> 00:33:57,589
Speaker 2: She also said earlier in the interview that she did

661
00:33:57,629 --> 00:34:01,189
Speaker 2: see a man named Tony Morrison who is like a

662
00:34:01,269 --> 00:34:05,589
Speaker 2: director glad he had posted the lyrics for defining gravity.

663
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:09,869
Speaker 2: I guess that's holding bad. I think I think that's

664
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:13,989
Speaker 2: what she meant by holding space. So my question is

665
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:17,389
Speaker 2: I think seen the movie last night. I know I'm

666
00:34:17,469 --> 00:34:21,869
Speaker 2: dating only serious. Have you been holding space during the

667
00:34:21,869 --> 00:34:27,269
Speaker 2: scene of Defying Gravity? I held space and I held space?

668
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:29,909
Speaker 2: What did that like? I didn't look at my phone. Okay,

669
00:34:29,949 --> 00:34:31,629
Speaker 2: I didn't look at my phone, and I watched the

670
00:34:31,629 --> 00:34:35,189
Speaker 2: scene and that scene went for two hours, and I

671
00:34:35,269 --> 00:34:36,629
Speaker 2: was like, I'm just here holding space.

672
00:34:37,189 --> 00:34:38,669
Speaker 3: Is that the scene that everyone cried?

673
00:34:38,669 --> 00:34:41,109
Speaker 2: Because I keep saying all these no, we've seen that

674
00:34:41,149 --> 00:34:44,149
Speaker 2: everyone cried in was the one the dance the ball?

675
00:34:44,349 --> 00:34:45,829
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was beautiful. That was beautiful.

676
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:49,229
Speaker 2: I didn't cry, but okay, yeah, because there were people

677
00:34:49,269 --> 00:34:51,149
Speaker 2: crying at the end of the movie, and I was like,

678
00:34:51,189 --> 00:34:55,589
Speaker 2: with that, I just wanted were holding Hey, no, what

679
00:34:55,629 --> 00:34:56,309
Speaker 2: are we crying out?

680
00:34:56,469 --> 00:34:56,549
Speaker 1: No?

681
00:34:56,709 --> 00:34:58,069
Speaker 2: Come on, I want to cry, but I don't know

682
00:34:58,069 --> 00:35:00,429
Speaker 2: what cry. Can you explain I missed something? Because it's

683
00:35:00,429 --> 00:35:02,509
Speaker 2: like I think they must have been holding space? Yeah,

684
00:35:02,629 --> 00:35:04,749
Speaker 2: and that's why they were. What is the thing that's happening? Yeah,

685
00:35:04,829 --> 00:35:07,789
Speaker 2: I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen a couple of posts

686
00:35:09,629 --> 00:35:14,029
Speaker 2: Jesse memes. Okay, I want you to read out the

687
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:19,069
Speaker 2: memes that have erupted in response to holding space define Gravity.

688
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:20,829
Speaker 2: So this is a picture of Kimi kardash Hian and

689
00:35:20,869 --> 00:35:23,829
Speaker 2: it says, get your fucking ass up and hold space

690
00:35:23,869 --> 00:35:26,109
Speaker 2: for the lyrics of defying gravity. It's like, no one

691
00:35:26,149 --> 00:35:29,229
Speaker 2: wants to hold space for the lyrics of define gravity anymore.

692
00:35:29,429 --> 00:35:31,629
Speaker 3: Love it? Very true, Carrie Bradshaw.

693
00:35:31,989 --> 00:35:34,229
Speaker 2: I couldn't help, but wonder if Big could hold space

694
00:35:34,269 --> 00:35:36,909
Speaker 2: for the lyrics of defying gravity, why couldn't he hold.

695
00:35:36,749 --> 00:35:40,349
Speaker 3: Space for me? That's so true? Excellent, babe. What's wrong?

696
00:35:40,629 --> 00:35:42,669
Speaker 2: You've barely held space and felt the power and the

697
00:35:42,709 --> 00:35:47,269
Speaker 2: lyrics of defying gravity. Then we've got Hey, a bunch

698
00:35:47,269 --> 00:35:49,269
Speaker 2: of us are outside holding space for cigarettes.

699
00:35:49,509 --> 00:35:50,149
Speaker 3: You want to join.

700
00:35:51,429 --> 00:35:54,069
Speaker 2: But if you're holding space and I'm in queer media,

701
00:35:54,189 --> 00:35:59,429
Speaker 2: then who the hell is gravity? I also like, this

702
00:35:59,509 --> 00:36:01,229
Speaker 2: is how close I am to losing it? And it

703
00:36:01,309 --> 00:36:05,229
Speaker 2: is Ariana just gently touched touching. It's not she doesn't

704
00:36:05,269 --> 00:36:07,669
Speaker 2: have all the It's kind of how you'd pick up

705
00:36:07,669 --> 00:36:11,069
Speaker 2: a chopstick. Is how she's holding her holding as nails. Yeah,

706
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:13,469
Speaker 2: and then the last one is if I'm holding space

707
00:36:13,509 --> 00:36:16,189
Speaker 2: with the lyrics of defying gravity and you're in queer media,

708
00:36:16,709 --> 00:36:18,589
Speaker 2: then who the hell is holding his finger?

709
00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:21,589
Speaker 3: I really love it.

710
00:36:21,709 --> 00:36:26,549
Speaker 2: How weird everything has Yeah, yeah, a nonsensical yeah. Before

711
00:36:26,589 --> 00:36:28,069
Speaker 2: I ask me what I'm doing tonight, asked me what

712
00:36:28,109 --> 00:36:31,789
Speaker 2: I'm doing tonight? And what happened? God, I said, hey, Clari,

713
00:36:31,909 --> 00:36:34,069
Speaker 2: free tonight, and you said, let me just check my calendar.

714
00:36:34,149 --> 00:36:35,629
Speaker 3: And then you had a diary invite.

715
00:36:35,629 --> 00:36:38,229
Speaker 2: Well you had a block which was about you holding

716
00:36:38,229 --> 00:36:40,549
Speaker 2: space for define gravity tonight, so you can't do anything.

717
00:36:40,789 --> 00:36:43,429
Speaker 2: I think that would be lovely. Yeah, I just want

718
00:36:43,429 --> 00:36:46,109
Speaker 2: to hold o wan hold space for define gravity. That

719
00:36:46,189 --> 00:36:48,749
Speaker 2: you should see when you google holding space for the

720
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:52,429
Speaker 2: lyrics of defining gravity. Things that come up, what is

721
00:36:52,549 --> 00:36:57,789
Speaker 2: holding space? A psychologist defines what holding space is, and

722
00:36:57,829 --> 00:37:00,669
Speaker 2: then it's like holding space for the lyrics of defying

723
00:37:00,669 --> 00:37:03,029
Speaker 2: gravity explained the best memes.

724
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:05,989
Speaker 3: And I'm like, this is so weird. My pop, We're

725
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:19,549
Speaker 3: in a ninety seven year old pop would be so confused, Claire.

726
00:37:19,549 --> 00:37:20,989
Speaker 2: It is time for a list of all the things

727
00:37:21,069 --> 00:37:25,429
Speaker 2: that have made Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arivo cry. I

728
00:37:25,629 --> 00:37:28,509
Speaker 2: straight up do not understand what's happening during the press tour.

729
00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:31,269
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating. I am simply

730
00:37:31,429 --> 00:37:31,909
Speaker 2: not following.

731
00:37:31,989 --> 00:37:33,189
Speaker 3: But I'm not bothering either.

732
00:37:33,509 --> 00:37:35,949
Speaker 2: It is the opposite, as I said to the it

733
00:37:36,029 --> 00:37:38,229
Speaker 2: ends with US press tour, and it is also the

734
00:37:38,269 --> 00:37:41,589
Speaker 2: opposite to the Madam Webb press tour, Ah where Dakota

735
00:37:41,669 --> 00:37:44,869
Speaker 2: Johnson openly detested her own film and when there was

736
00:37:44,909 --> 00:37:47,549
Speaker 2: a literal earthquake, she didn't emote.

737
00:37:47,869 --> 00:37:49,629
Speaker 3: She was like, I think there was an earthquake.

738
00:37:49,949 --> 00:37:53,869
Speaker 2: She was like, can you imagine and Ariana Thede squeal,

739
00:37:54,389 --> 00:37:56,429
Speaker 2: sol cry and they'd be like, we hold space.

740
00:37:56,749 --> 00:37:58,189
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

741
00:37:58,229 --> 00:38:00,469
Speaker 2: Here's a list of questions and all statements that have

742
00:38:00,509 --> 00:38:03,069
Speaker 2: made Cynthia and Ariana cry. And this is from a

743
00:38:03,069 --> 00:38:07,709
Speaker 2: compilation of like interviews on the internet. Okay, what ways

744
00:38:07,709 --> 00:38:09,749
Speaker 2: has the person sitting next to you changed you?

745
00:38:09,789 --> 00:38:11,669
Speaker 3: For good? Lot?

746
00:38:12,029 --> 00:38:15,789
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I have read a stupid amount of interviews

747
00:38:15,869 --> 00:38:17,429
Speaker 2: since watching the film.

748
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:19,429
Speaker 3: And I will say.

749
00:38:21,429 --> 00:38:24,189
Speaker 2: No, please, please, I'm not mad. I just can't understand.

750
00:38:24,229 --> 00:38:27,829
Speaker 2: All right, all right, here's the thing, Pressed who is now?

751
00:38:28,629 --> 00:38:30,909
Speaker 2: And people are gonna hate me for saying this, Pressed,

752
00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:32,989
Speaker 2: whours are just an extension of the film. They're just

753
00:38:33,069 --> 00:38:35,309
Speaker 2: they're just They're just an extension. It's like, I'm going

754
00:38:35,389 --> 00:38:37,269
Speaker 2: to pretend to be Alphabet. You're going to pretend to

755
00:38:37,269 --> 00:38:41,149
Speaker 2: be Glinda in a press to a context, in an interview.

756
00:38:41,229 --> 00:38:43,749
Speaker 2: What would Glinda do? What would Alphabet do? And so

757
00:38:44,149 --> 00:38:48,189
Speaker 2: it's just all an extension and it's worked like it's

758
00:38:48,229 --> 00:38:51,029
Speaker 2: the number one movie. They have done a remarkable job.

759
00:38:51,069 --> 00:38:54,349
Speaker 2: I'm watching all of them. But if we want to

760
00:38:54,909 --> 00:38:58,789
Speaker 2: kind of buy into that, Wicked is an excellent story

761
00:38:59,949 --> 00:39:03,749
Speaker 2: in terms of following story structure and challenging our ideas

762
00:39:03,749 --> 00:39:07,989
Speaker 2: about perspective and who people are, and have female friendship,

763
00:39:08,909 --> 00:39:12,669
Speaker 2: incredible representation, all of that excellent. And I do think

764
00:39:12,709 --> 00:39:16,509
Speaker 2: if you just look at the characters of Glinda and Alphaba,

765
00:39:17,549 --> 00:39:20,229
Speaker 2: what Ariana Grande has said is that she has got

766
00:39:20,269 --> 00:39:23,349
Speaker 2: a lot of strength from Cynthia, and Cynthia's like, I've

767
00:39:23,669 --> 00:39:27,349
Speaker 2: been able to be a bit softer, and I feel

768
00:39:27,389 --> 00:39:30,269
Speaker 2: that I took the start a lot.

769
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:32,029
Speaker 3: I hop that well.

770
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:35,509
Speaker 2: Mm Rosciano told Cynthia, you fucking did it, babe.

771
00:39:35,629 --> 00:39:37,789
Speaker 1: I didn't know how the movie was going to do that,

772
00:39:37,949 --> 00:39:40,349
Speaker 1: Just that changing of levels. I don't want to get

773
00:39:40,349 --> 00:39:42,709
Speaker 1: anything away. But when you read the Inner Child stuff

774
00:39:42,749 --> 00:39:49,109
Speaker 1: and the did she like dissolve? Yes, oh yeah, oh

775
00:39:49,149 --> 00:39:51,909
Speaker 1: Cynthia fucking did it? Babe? Mm hmmm.

776
00:39:52,509 --> 00:39:55,869
Speaker 3: And Cynthia sob stopped. She was like, was one of

777
00:39:55,909 --> 00:39:59,709
Speaker 3: the early sobs. Yeah, sobs? And I went wow, what Wow.

778
00:39:59,829 --> 00:40:04,229
Speaker 2: Excellent interview. You've really got them to unlock emotion. And

779
00:40:04,229 --> 00:40:06,349
Speaker 2: then I was like absolutely viral. Yeah, and then I

780
00:40:06,389 --> 00:40:09,269
Speaker 2: was like, oh, we're crying all over the place, an

781
00:40:09,309 --> 00:40:11,869
Speaker 2: interviewer telling her it's indesscribable how you feel when when

782
00:40:11,949 --> 00:40:14,389
Speaker 2: you watch it. And also these are just some quotes

783
00:40:14,389 --> 00:40:17,989
Speaker 2: that they've given through interviews because they're very like they'll

784
00:40:17,989 --> 00:40:20,349
Speaker 2: say to an interviewer, you are very good. Oh see,

785
00:40:20,389 --> 00:40:23,469
Speaker 2: i'd lose it. We love you. You are such a gift.

786
00:40:23,549 --> 00:40:26,909
Speaker 2: Oh beautiful, which again it's very in character. Georgie Tunney

787
00:40:27,069 --> 00:40:30,869
Speaker 2: telling them what a friend's kid had said after watching it,

788
00:40:30,949 --> 00:40:32,909
Speaker 2: which is you have to be good and you have

789
00:40:32,949 --> 00:40:35,069
Speaker 2: to be kind to everybody, and she is a good witch.

790
00:40:35,189 --> 00:40:37,549
Speaker 2: That one actually did get me and it got Cynthia.

791
00:40:37,549 --> 00:40:39,149
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

792
00:40:39,309 --> 00:40:43,829
Speaker 2: And sorry, just in terms of literally the only thing

793
00:40:43,909 --> 00:40:47,989
Speaker 2: that they haven't done in terms of just making Ariana

794
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:53,949
Speaker 2: Glinda and Cynthia. Alphaba is paint Cynthia green. Yeah, but

795
00:40:53,989 --> 00:40:58,509
Speaker 2: Cynthia has the nails, these ridiculously over the top nails,

796
00:40:58,549 --> 00:41:00,429
Speaker 2: and she's still blond. It's like they still look like

797
00:41:00,469 --> 00:41:00,869
Speaker 2: their character.

798
00:41:00,949 --> 00:41:01,829
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

799
00:41:01,909 --> 00:41:04,789
Speaker 2: They sat in an interview with the original Glinda and

800
00:41:05,029 --> 00:41:09,109
Speaker 2: Alphaba and the original Alpha bar began by saying it

801
00:41:09,149 --> 00:41:11,109
Speaker 2: was a great tribute. The view hadn't even begun and

802
00:41:11,149 --> 00:41:14,229
Speaker 2: said it was a great tribute. Ariana breakdown. They cried

803
00:41:14,549 --> 00:41:18,229
Speaker 2: because they were in a parking lot because and I quote,

804
00:41:18,269 --> 00:41:20,669
Speaker 2: they've come through a massive, massive thing. This is where

805
00:41:20,669 --> 00:41:24,429
Speaker 2: I go, I'm missing something. Something has occurred. This film

806
00:41:24,509 --> 00:41:29,189
Speaker 2: is about something else, and I haven't properly dissected what

807
00:41:29,309 --> 00:41:33,029
Speaker 2: the pointless Unless some people are like this is just

808
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:36,029
Speaker 2: theater kids, they just moved, yes, and I'll get to that.

809
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:38,269
Speaker 2: Mariana said the stuff you don't see is the most

810
00:41:38,269 --> 00:41:40,269
Speaker 2: special stuff. And at that point, she actually fell to

811
00:41:40,269 --> 00:41:41,749
Speaker 2: the ground. Have you seen her fall to the ground?

812
00:41:41,749 --> 00:41:44,709
Speaker 2: And wait and then she crawls out. An interviewer asked

813
00:41:44,749 --> 00:41:47,789
Speaker 2: Ariana about the credits where her name appears as Ariana

814
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:50,389
Speaker 2: Grande but Terra. Yeah, Claire, what did you do? She

815
00:41:50,869 --> 00:41:53,829
Speaker 2: cried silently, she couldn't ask, and it's weird. I've great

816
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:54,789
Speaker 2: weight of getting out.

817
00:41:54,629 --> 00:41:56,389
Speaker 3: Of answering the question. Yeah, I got silence.

818
00:41:56,469 --> 00:41:58,629
Speaker 2: Stare at them, and it also makes the interviewer feel

819
00:41:58,669 --> 00:42:00,869
Speaker 2: quite good because like, oh, is that an emotional question?

820
00:42:00,989 --> 00:42:03,709
Speaker 2: I touched a nerve is going to be very happy. Yea,

821
00:42:04,189 --> 00:42:06,909
Speaker 2: What do we think is happening? Because the first theory

822
00:42:07,229 --> 00:42:10,509
Speaker 2: is we've got the theater kids, people who seeing might

823
00:42:10,589 --> 00:42:13,789
Speaker 2: feel more deeply one hundred percent. We do neither, and

824
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:16,629
Speaker 2: so we're looking at it going excuse me, yeah, can

825
00:42:16,669 --> 00:42:18,709
Speaker 2: you loop us in? We're confused about what's happening? Or

826
00:42:18,749 --> 00:42:22,509
Speaker 2: is this an Oscars thing? Okay, it is definitely an

827
00:42:22,509 --> 00:42:28,749
Speaker 2: Oscars thing, because remember like the Lady Cooper, Bradley Cooper,

828
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:32,269
Speaker 2: Lady Gaga, like, you've got to keep playing the characters yep,

829
00:42:32,749 --> 00:42:34,469
Speaker 2: out of the context of the movie.

830
00:42:34,629 --> 00:42:35,429
Speaker 3: I don't know why.

831
00:42:35,549 --> 00:42:38,389
Speaker 2: I don't know who invented that rule, but someone did.

832
00:42:38,429 --> 00:42:41,069
Speaker 2: The other thing is people think that they're going a

833
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:45,709
Speaker 2: little bit earnest because when Barbie did the press too,

834
00:42:45,909 --> 00:42:49,469
Speaker 2: it was very light and Barbie didn't remember. Barbie got

835
00:42:49,469 --> 00:42:51,989
Speaker 2: snubbed for quite a lot of nominations. I wonder too

836
00:42:51,989 --> 00:42:54,349
Speaker 2: if it ends with us felt too light given its

837
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:56,109
Speaker 2: subject matter. Yeah, and they're like, well, you know what,

838
00:42:56,109 --> 00:42:57,149
Speaker 2: we're gonna go too hard.

839
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:59,469
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna make this it's.

840
00:42:59,309 --> 00:43:01,389
Speaker 2: About a witch. Yeah, but we're just gonna wait. But

841
00:43:01,429 --> 00:43:03,989
Speaker 2: we're gonna weep as though. This is about like the

842
00:43:04,149 --> 00:43:06,949
Speaker 2: end of time. Yes, this is about the apocalypse, Clara,

843
00:43:06,949 --> 00:43:09,389
Speaker 2: I want to move on to the actual movie. And

844
00:43:09,429 --> 00:43:11,989
Speaker 2: I just think fire just notes ye notes that we

845
00:43:12,029 --> 00:43:13,429
Speaker 2: had first out.

846
00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:15,069
Speaker 3: What did you think? What do you make of it?

847
00:43:15,429 --> 00:43:18,309
Speaker 3: I was moved, Okay, I actually loved every moment I

848
00:43:18,349 --> 00:43:20,309
Speaker 3: held space. I really enjoyed it.

849
00:43:20,389 --> 00:43:22,109
Speaker 2: I held space with Jonathan Bailey. I'll tell you that

850
00:43:22,549 --> 00:43:25,549
Speaker 2: sexy boys very sexy. And you didn't know what a

851
00:43:25,629 --> 00:43:28,389
Speaker 2: Jonathan Bailey mean until the movie. And I kept yelling

852
00:43:28,389 --> 00:43:31,109
Speaker 2: at you things like Bridgeton and you were like, own

853
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:33,429
Speaker 2: watch Bridgeton and then you understood, didn't you?

854
00:43:33,429 --> 00:43:34,909
Speaker 3: You're so sexy. Yeah.

855
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:38,749
Speaker 2: I genuinely loved every moment. Didn't look at my phone once.

856
00:43:39,309 --> 00:43:42,469
Speaker 2: Absolute perfection. I did not expect to feel that because

857
00:43:42,509 --> 00:43:46,749
Speaker 2: I am cynical and resistant in that when the culture

858
00:43:46,869 --> 00:43:49,109
Speaker 2: is looking at something and praising it, I'm like, not me,

859
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:51,429
Speaker 2: I'm too good for that. And I went into it

860
00:43:51,989 --> 00:43:53,909
Speaker 2: thinking that I wouldn't enjoy it.

861
00:43:53,909 --> 00:43:54,389
Speaker 3: And I loved it.

862
00:43:54,469 --> 00:43:56,509
Speaker 2: I thought there were some strong moments and okay, well

863
00:43:56,509 --> 00:43:57,829
Speaker 2: what could be cut down?

864
00:43:57,869 --> 00:43:59,189
Speaker 3: Okay, what strong moments?

865
00:43:59,349 --> 00:44:02,709
Speaker 2: I liked the song popular because I knew that from TikTok. Yeah,

866
00:44:02,709 --> 00:44:04,389
Speaker 2: and I liked the song to Fine Gravity.

867
00:44:04,469 --> 00:44:04,709
Speaker 3: Yeah.

868
00:44:04,789 --> 00:44:07,909
Speaker 2: Did you like that the dance with Ariana and Cynthia

869
00:44:08,109 --> 00:44:10,509
Speaker 2: where they like I thought they did, but I kept

870
00:44:10,669 --> 00:44:12,869
Speaker 2: I had been told there was a scene ah that

871
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:15,749
Speaker 2: you know, made everyone cry, And I did get to

872
00:44:15,749 --> 00:44:17,149
Speaker 2: the end and say, what was that scene?

873
00:44:17,189 --> 00:44:17,869
Speaker 3: And did I miss it?

874
00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:18,189
Speaker 1: Oh?

875
00:44:18,229 --> 00:44:19,309
Speaker 3: Because I didn't cry during that.

876
00:44:19,469 --> 00:44:22,749
Speaker 2: I did think early on a plot hole I had.

877
00:44:22,829 --> 00:44:24,269
Speaker 2: I had an issue with the plot. I've got a plot.

878
00:44:24,269 --> 00:44:24,549
Speaker 3: I'll go.

879
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:29,029
Speaker 2: Okay, Glinda paid for her own sweet she did at

880
00:44:29,069 --> 00:44:30,989
Speaker 2: the college. She was meant to have her own sweat.

881
00:44:31,429 --> 00:44:34,149
Speaker 2: And then we've got Alphabra over here not paying. I

882
00:44:34,149 --> 00:44:36,869
Speaker 2: don't know how she's enrolled because she didn't enroll, she

883
00:44:36,869 --> 00:44:39,149
Speaker 2: didn't pay. She should have been sharing with her sister, well,

884
00:44:39,189 --> 00:44:42,189
Speaker 2: shouldn't have even been there, really, And then you've paid

885
00:44:42,229 --> 00:44:43,789
Speaker 2: for your own room and you get a room mate.

886
00:44:44,189 --> 00:44:47,629
Speaker 2: How did Alphaba have any clothes because she didn't pack

887
00:44:47,629 --> 00:44:48,269
Speaker 2: a suitcase?

888
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:52,469
Speaker 3: Wow? Right, there weren't any shops that I saw. Yeah.

889
00:44:53,309 --> 00:44:55,989
Speaker 2: Yeah. It wasn't a great makeover, was it. When Glinda

890
00:44:55,989 --> 00:44:58,989
Speaker 2: makes her over, she looks very much the same she does.

891
00:44:59,149 --> 00:45:00,869
Speaker 2: I kept thinking about the green makeup and how they

892
00:45:00,909 --> 00:45:04,469
Speaker 2: would have needed like green bronzer. I also thought about

893
00:45:04,589 --> 00:45:06,149
Speaker 2: when she smiled the one if she got green in

894
00:45:06,189 --> 00:45:07,749
Speaker 2: her teeth. You know how you get lipstick on your tae.

895
00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:08,629
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.

896
00:45:08,669 --> 00:45:12,069
Speaker 2: Also her lips were green, I know, but that's why

897
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:13,829
Speaker 2: I thought, it's amazing that it never gets on it.

898
00:45:13,949 --> 00:45:15,989
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And then I also thought she

899
00:45:16,029 --> 00:45:17,989
Speaker 3: would be going home after filming and they'd just be

900
00:45:18,149 --> 00:45:21,149
Speaker 3: green in a hairline. Yeah, it's so annoying, very much.

901
00:45:21,509 --> 00:45:24,829
Speaker 2: My plot hole was that dance scene that everybody's been

902
00:45:24,869 --> 00:45:29,509
Speaker 2: talking about. Ha, Why why the dance? Where did the

903
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:33,349
Speaker 2: dance come from? Why did she start dancing? I think

904
00:45:33,389 --> 00:45:35,989
Speaker 2: that it was meant to show that she was attempting

905
00:45:36,149 --> 00:45:39,189
Speaker 2: to do a dance and like do something cool, and

906
00:45:39,229 --> 00:45:42,389
Speaker 2: it was meant to be weird and unusual, and everyone's

907
00:45:42,469 --> 00:45:45,709
Speaker 2: laughing at her, and then Glinda is like No, I

908
00:45:45,749 --> 00:45:47,989
Speaker 2: got that. I got the inclusiveness, I got the beauty

909
00:45:48,029 --> 00:45:48,429
Speaker 2: of the moment.

910
00:45:48,429 --> 00:45:50,669
Speaker 3: It's meant to be symbolic. I got the beauty of

911
00:45:50,669 --> 00:45:51,069
Speaker 3: the moment.

912
00:45:51,149 --> 00:45:54,749
Speaker 2: I just it was more the inciting incident of that

913
00:45:55,229 --> 00:45:57,669
Speaker 2: scene that I was a bit confused. You walk in,

914
00:45:57,789 --> 00:45:59,789
Speaker 2: You're wearing a funny hat. Everyone laughed at you. Do

915
00:45:59,869 --> 00:46:02,029
Speaker 2: you start so true?

916
00:46:02,149 --> 00:46:05,749
Speaker 3: Actually start dancing? Or do you run away? Yeah? So true?

917
00:46:05,869 --> 00:46:07,549
Speaker 2: I also wanted to just put it on the record.

918
00:46:07,549 --> 00:46:10,069
Speaker 2: Did you know that Universal had two musicals that they

919
00:46:10,189 --> 00:46:12,229
Speaker 2: had the rights to. They've had the rights to Wicked

920
00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:14,949
Speaker 2: for forever. Super fans have been waiting for this for decades,

921
00:46:15,989 --> 00:46:19,669
Speaker 2: and in twenty nineteen, well a little bit before that,

922
00:46:19,669 --> 00:46:21,589
Speaker 2: they were like, we get to decide whether we do Wicked,

923
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:23,189
Speaker 2: and they pushed Wicked back. Do you know why they

924
00:46:23,269 --> 00:46:29,829
Speaker 2: pushed Wicked back? Because they prioritize cats. A prioritized cats.

925
00:46:30,629 --> 00:46:35,709
Speaker 2: What can you imagine getting that caliber of cast making

926
00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:38,709
Speaker 2: them all look like cats? What's the point, what's the

927
00:46:38,749 --> 00:46:41,149
Speaker 2: point of James Corden got a Rebel Wilson, We have

928
00:46:41,309 --> 00:46:43,069
Speaker 2: Jennifer Hudson, We've got a Taylor Swift.

929
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:45,509
Speaker 3: Don't know who's who? They all Allo like Cats. Judy Dench's

930
00:46:45,509 --> 00:46:50,109
Speaker 3: in it. No, how humiliated. Cats is never it. Cats

931
00:46:50,149 --> 00:46:50,709
Speaker 3: isn't never it.

932
00:46:50,789 --> 00:46:52,669
Speaker 2: But it's confusing because it has been on Broadway for

933
00:46:52,669 --> 00:46:54,589
Speaker 2: a really long time. It's like rent, I don't think

934
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:57,029
Speaker 2: you don't have to turn it into a movie.

935
00:46:57,429 --> 00:46:57,749
Speaker 3: Claire.

936
00:46:57,789 --> 00:47:03,229
Speaker 2: It is time for charges and sentences. You can go

937
00:47:03,309 --> 00:47:07,429
Speaker 2: best my charge. Firstly, I actually am here for holding

938
00:47:07,469 --> 00:47:10,069
Speaker 2: space for the lyrics of fine Gravity. I haven't had

939
00:47:10,189 --> 00:47:13,149
Speaker 2: you've done it since that's not not actively.

940
00:47:13,229 --> 00:47:15,829
Speaker 3: But as you said in the moment, okay, yeah I did.

941
00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:19,589
Speaker 2: I really I was moved. I think it's an excellent

942
00:47:19,629 --> 00:47:22,149
Speaker 2: work of art. I would say to anyone who thinks

943
00:47:22,389 --> 00:47:25,029
Speaker 2: they're not gonna like it. I expected to be bored.

944
00:47:25,069 --> 00:47:25,869
Speaker 3: I was not bored.

945
00:47:26,669 --> 00:47:28,749
Speaker 2: I was thoroughly entertaining the whole time. I want a

946
00:47:28,749 --> 00:47:31,549
Speaker 2: Wicked themed theme park. Have I said yet that I

947
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:33,629
Speaker 2: had to leave two thirds of the way through to

948
00:47:33,629 --> 00:47:36,989
Speaker 2: get another snack? No, I can't remember because I'm so tired. Yeah,

949
00:47:36,989 --> 00:47:38,669
Speaker 2: but I got crispy Eminem's. But it was a bit

950
00:47:38,709 --> 00:47:40,229
Speaker 2: that I was like, if we've got another hour, I

951
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:41,349
Speaker 2: might as well get some Eminem's.

952
00:47:41,429 --> 00:47:44,749
Speaker 3: My charge is to do with the earnestness.

953
00:47:45,869 --> 00:47:50,509
Speaker 2: I think we really have to interrogate these press tours

954
00:47:50,869 --> 00:47:54,429
Speaker 2: because what we need to acknowledge is that that's a movie.

955
00:47:54,469 --> 00:47:55,629
Speaker 3: These are characters.

956
00:47:56,189 --> 00:48:00,589
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it's not real. Alphabat as a baby fiction,

957
00:48:00,749 --> 00:48:05,149
Speaker 2: she's green, Yeah, she's green. Yeah, it's not real. No

958
00:48:05,949 --> 00:48:11,789
Speaker 2: stories powerful make us feel all of human life is really.

959
00:48:11,629 --> 00:48:13,989
Speaker 3: Just a story. Yeah right, but it is a story.

960
00:48:14,429 --> 00:48:19,429
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And I needn't go No, I need more

961
00:48:19,469 --> 00:48:25,549
Speaker 2: press to its where people show up as themselves, not

962
00:48:25,629 --> 00:48:28,229
Speaker 2: the character. You don't want that, no, I do don't

963
00:48:28,229 --> 00:48:28,909
Speaker 2: want that now.

964
00:48:28,949 --> 00:48:30,589
Speaker 3: I think Black Lava did that. She got in so

965
00:48:30,669 --> 00:48:31,189
Speaker 3: much trouble.

966
00:48:31,469 --> 00:48:35,309
Speaker 2: Ye, No, that was different. That was different because she

967
00:48:35,509 --> 00:48:38,789
Speaker 2: was actually showing up as whatever her name was, because.

968
00:48:38,589 --> 00:48:42,189
Speaker 3: She was all flowery. Is that your sentence? No? No, sorry, okay.

969
00:48:42,269 --> 00:48:45,429
Speaker 2: My sentence is show up as who you are and

970
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:49,389
Speaker 2: show us, if you're making an OSCARS campaign, right, show

971
00:48:49,469 --> 00:48:53,109
Speaker 2: us what a good actor you were by being yourself

972
00:48:53,669 --> 00:48:56,309
Speaker 2: so that we can see how you transformed yourself.

973
00:48:56,389 --> 00:48:59,109
Speaker 3: We don't think you're acting. We don't think Mariana Grande

974
00:48:59,269 --> 00:48:59,829
Speaker 3: is Glinda.

975
00:48:59,949 --> 00:49:04,109
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, Arianna, go back to your brown hair,

976
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:08,549
Speaker 2: go back to your like go back to that start.

977
00:49:08,669 --> 00:49:11,789
Speaker 2: You're weird feud with Mariah Care, you know, like, be

978
00:49:12,429 --> 00:49:15,229
Speaker 2: somebody who's very distinct from Glinda. It's like when you

979
00:49:15,269 --> 00:49:17,989
Speaker 2: see the Oppenheimer press to her, and it's like that

980
00:49:18,029 --> 00:49:21,669
Speaker 2: guy's accents different. Y, whoa, you did an accent? Yeah,

981
00:49:21,989 --> 00:49:24,629
Speaker 2: Alpha Butt in the movie has an American accent. Yeah,

982
00:49:24,709 --> 00:49:28,669
Speaker 2: And Cynthia Arrivo has a British accent. Amazing, blows my mind. Incredible.

983
00:49:29,029 --> 00:49:32,749
Speaker 2: So be yourself, be your authentic self. Yeah, you don't

984
00:49:32,789 --> 00:49:36,349
Speaker 2: have to be Alphava on your Instagram in interviews.

985
00:49:36,509 --> 00:49:36,749
Speaker 3: Yep.

986
00:49:37,229 --> 00:49:40,229
Speaker 2: And I think I will say, we don't need to

987
00:49:40,229 --> 00:49:44,989
Speaker 2: be profoundly moved by everything. Okay, my charge, I interrogated this.

988
00:49:45,069 --> 00:49:47,829
Speaker 2: I feel left out. Ah, I feel profoundly left out

989
00:49:47,869 --> 00:49:48,469
Speaker 2: by this whole thing.

990
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:51,509
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. It's making me uncomfortable, it's making me defensive. Yeah.

991
00:49:51,549 --> 00:49:53,109
Speaker 2: I just had a meeting with someone in the office

992
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:54,589
Speaker 2: who was quite frustrated that I.

993
00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:57,509
Speaker 3: Don't get it. No, I don't get it. People are annoyed.

994
00:49:57,749 --> 00:50:00,869
Speaker 2: It's creating. Why are all the gen Z's crying? Yeah,

995
00:50:00,949 --> 00:50:03,029
Speaker 2: that's what she said, And okay, no, I get that.

996
00:50:03,189 --> 00:50:07,029
Speaker 2: My sentence is send me the link. I feel as

997
00:50:07,029 --> 00:50:11,029
Speaker 2: though before this we were all reading something. Yeah, I

998
00:50:11,069 --> 00:50:13,629
Speaker 2: didn't know we had recently gone back to watch the

999
00:50:13,709 --> 00:50:15,429
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine Wizard of Oz.

1000
00:50:15,469 --> 00:50:15,789
Speaker 3: Did we?

1001
00:50:15,949 --> 00:50:16,109
Speaker 1: Oh?

1002
00:50:16,149 --> 00:50:16,509
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1003
00:50:16,669 --> 00:50:18,629
Speaker 3: I think some people on TikTok did. Yeah.

1004
00:50:18,709 --> 00:50:20,789
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a reading list like you get

1005
00:50:20,789 --> 00:50:25,149
Speaker 2: at Uni. There's the law, Yeah, but going to need

1006
00:50:25,229 --> 00:50:28,029
Speaker 2: you to talk me. There's like there's like the course

1007
00:50:28,149 --> 00:50:31,869
Speaker 2: Wicked Wizard of Oz and I'll do the course vibe.

1008
00:50:32,189 --> 00:50:34,669
Speaker 2: Of course, that's still a weekend course. Send it to me,

1009
00:50:34,709 --> 00:50:38,509
Speaker 2: I'll pay you. Yeah, But I need to feel part

1010
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:41,069
Speaker 2: of something. I've got a year now till the next

1011
00:50:41,069 --> 00:50:42,749
Speaker 2: part comes out. I would like to be a part

1012
00:50:42,749 --> 00:50:44,789
Speaker 2: of it. I'd like to be on it. I'd like

1013
00:50:44,829 --> 00:50:48,309
Speaker 2: to see the Easter eggs. I do often feel out

1014
00:50:48,389 --> 00:50:51,149
Speaker 2: of the loop in cultural moments like this, Yes, where

1015
00:50:51,189 --> 00:50:55,589
Speaker 2: I go, I don't know who these people are. I

1016
00:50:55,629 --> 00:50:58,189
Speaker 2: didn't know that this was arounda Grande's dream role.

1017
00:50:58,789 --> 00:51:01,109
Speaker 3: I didn't. I simply didn't know any of it.

1018
00:51:01,269 --> 00:51:03,669
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't like that, all right, Jess, I've

1019
00:51:03,669 --> 00:51:04,709
Speaker 2: got a lazy girl story.

1020
00:51:05,069 --> 00:51:08,269
Speaker 3: Who from this is from Olivia. She's a lazy girl.

1021
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:11,709
Speaker 2: Lazy girl here, I would say, I'm average height, but

1022
00:51:11,749 --> 00:51:15,269
Speaker 2: my pant length would say otherwise. I simply will not

1023
00:51:15,309 --> 00:51:18,629
Speaker 2: be hemming my pants no matter their length. I tried

1024
00:51:18,669 --> 00:51:21,349
Speaker 2: stapling them up, but the staples fell out or cut

1025
00:51:21,389 --> 00:51:21,949
Speaker 2: my ankles.

1026
00:51:22,029 --> 00:51:23,069
Speaker 3: This is very Ariana.

1027
00:51:23,469 --> 00:51:26,389
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now I only wear my long pants in

1028
00:51:26,429 --> 00:51:29,269
Speaker 2: winter and will wear my heeled boots so that they

1029
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:31,949
Speaker 2: only just touched the floor. Find me a lazy girl

1030
00:51:31,989 --> 00:51:34,349
Speaker 2: who's ever gone to an alterationist. Everyone's like, I just

1031
00:51:34,349 --> 00:51:35,069
Speaker 2: get it altered?

1032
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:39,429
Speaker 3: Where? How much? With what time? How did you remember

1033
00:51:39,469 --> 00:51:41,629
Speaker 3: to go and then to pick it up? Yeah.

1034
00:51:41,669 --> 00:51:44,709
Speaker 2: My other thing is one time I saw somebody and

1035
00:51:44,749 --> 00:51:47,269
Speaker 2: they say, oh, I just get my jeans, and I

1036
00:51:47,309 --> 00:51:50,829
Speaker 2: looked down and I went, they're too short.

1037
00:51:50,189 --> 00:51:53,349
Speaker 3: They're just a little bit too short.

1038
00:51:53,909 --> 00:51:55,949
Speaker 2: And that's what I imagine buying clothes and being like,

1039
00:51:55,949 --> 00:51:56,989
Speaker 2: I'll just get those hemmed.

1040
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:57,629
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1041
00:51:57,669 --> 00:51:58,069
Speaker 1: Wow.

1042
00:51:58,229 --> 00:51:59,269
Speaker 3: I was thinking that the other day.

1043
00:51:59,269 --> 00:52:00,949
Speaker 2: I'll just try that on a list and then go

1044
00:52:01,029 --> 00:52:03,669
Speaker 2: and and like you on like a Saturday. Yeah, I

1045
00:52:03,789 --> 00:52:06,829
Speaker 2: was gonna order some clothes online and I was like, oh,

1046
00:52:06,869 --> 00:52:08,509
Speaker 2: I can have a buy stuff online because it just

1047
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:09,389
Speaker 2: never fits properly.

1048
00:52:09,549 --> 00:52:10,749
Speaker 3: And I was like, I guess I could get a

1049
00:52:10,749 --> 00:52:14,189
Speaker 3: older you know, speaking of laser girls. Bloke.

1050
00:52:14,269 --> 00:52:17,429
Speaker 2: Recently, my husband went to an alterations got holes in

1051
00:52:17,429 --> 00:52:19,069
Speaker 2: both his pockets. Every time I've put his phone in

1052
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:21,229
Speaker 2: his pockets, it falls down into his stock and it's

1053
00:52:21,549 --> 00:52:22,669
Speaker 2: it's very happy. Yeah.

1054
00:52:22,669 --> 00:52:23,869
Speaker 3: And he went and he said, you think you can

1055
00:52:23,909 --> 00:52:24,949
Speaker 3: sew my pockets back up?

1056
00:52:25,029 --> 00:52:29,709
Speaker 2: Lady said no, why speaking of a lazy girl, sim wonder.

1057
00:52:30,389 --> 00:52:32,109
Speaker 2: I looked at it and I went, I can't sew,

1058
00:52:32,189 --> 00:52:37,229
Speaker 2: but I could sew together. Yeah, stay for them him seventy,

1059
00:52:37,269 --> 00:52:40,509
Speaker 2: but care and he doesn't know how long it takes.

1060
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:42,549
Speaker 3: He doesn't know how much this has meant to cost.

1061
00:52:42,709 --> 00:52:45,349
Speaker 2: I got a couple of things altered for my wedding,

1062
00:52:46,109 --> 00:52:49,829
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, Lady.

1063
00:52:49,149 --> 00:52:50,949
Speaker 3: I'm being taken for a ride, aren't I?

1064
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:53,989
Speaker 2: But this is my wedding and therefore I will spend

1065
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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars on absurdity.

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Speaker 3: Before we go.

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Speaker 2: I also wanted to ask our canceled listeners, if you

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Speaker 2: like this show, then please leave us a review, because

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Speaker 2: we have got some that have really tickled us.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they make us live.

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Speaker 2: Did you see some of these recently, Claire, We've got

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Speaker 2: some great reviews from canceled listeners that just make me giggle.

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Speaker 3: We got this review from Jordan L. Morris.

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Speaker 2: It is Fight Stars and it says it's weird what

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Speaker 2: they do. Weird is in good. It's very specific what

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Speaker 2: they do and unique and I appreciate them. What episode

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Speaker 2: was Are you joking that you don't remember what that's from?

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Speaker 2: That was the Sexy Boy, Oh, Andrew Garfield, Amelia Moldenburg

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Speaker 2: and we said it would be the biggest compliment if

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Speaker 2: somebody said that to us.

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Speaker 3: That's really kind, I know, actually really kind. We have

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Speaker 3: canceled law, Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 2: There were a couple of things today that I almost

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Speaker 2: was going to bring up previous episodes, and then I think, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's just too confusing for new listeners, and then I think,

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Speaker 2: a new listener.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: The producer have canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with audio production

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Speaker 2: by Leah Porgies.

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Speaker 3: Bye Bye,