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Speaker 1: On Makeup is My Therapy. I'm in love, I'm obsessed,

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Speaker 1: and I don't even feel guilty of body. Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to you Beauty the daily podcast for Your Face.

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Speaker 1: I am Kiri.

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Speaker 2: Seals and I'm Lucy Neville. And this is Beauty Besties

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Speaker 2: where we two real life besties and also beauty creators.

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Speaker 2: We talk about beauty and we give you our recommendations.

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Speaker 1: Now that we're all Bessie Leslie friends, best friends best

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Speaker 1: listed together on the show. Today we are revealing some

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Speaker 1: of our biggest beauty regrets and we do have them

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Speaker 1: all right. But first up, how to become a beauty influencer?

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Speaker 1: A one oh one if you will, Lucy take it away.

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Speaker 2: Well, Key and I work in the beauty spaces content creators,

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't like either of us ever set out

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Speaker 2: to be beauty influencers on purpose. It wasn't really a

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Speaker 2: job possibility when I first started work. But I do

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Speaker 2: get lots of questions about how to become a beauty

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Speaker 2: creator or how to start making beauty content. So I

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Speaker 2: thought I would share things that I've learned over the

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Speaker 2: past few years.

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Speaker 1: Oh, please to share, because I'd like some tips. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The first thing is that I personally think that when

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Speaker 2: you're working in the beauty space, you should show up

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Speaker 2: authentically as yourself, which for me means no editing of skin.

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Speaker 2: If I'm showing someone like how a skincare product works

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Speaker 2: or how a makeup product works, I want to see

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Speaker 2: the pause. I want to see your real texture, because

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Speaker 2: that is show me how it really looks, show me

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Speaker 2: how it really works if you're kind of working and

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Speaker 2: building up that self esteem. I know that filters have

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Speaker 2: been a big part of social media for a long

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Speaker 2: time now, but I think it's important to try and

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Speaker 2: ditch those. Try and leave them behind if you can.

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Speaker 2: If you want to put like doggies on yourself, that's fine,

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Speaker 2: but I think the ones that change the shape of

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people think that it's embarrassing,

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Speaker 2: it's cringe. I've been called cringe one million million times.

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Speaker 2: But guess what, I'm doing this as a job, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's cringe. Like I think I'm really

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Speaker 2: proud of myself that I just have always put myself

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Speaker 2: out there and not listen to the people telling me

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Speaker 2: I was cringe and embarrassing and blah blah blah. People

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Speaker 2: who think that that's embarrassing, like, who aren't cheering you

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Speaker 2: on and supporting you? They're not your real mates. You

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Speaker 2: want people lifting you up. You want your cheerleaders, your supporters,

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Speaker 2: and also want support support other small creators and hype

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Speaker 2: each other up. There is plenty of room for everyone

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Speaker 2: to succeed, so I would see this as a community

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Speaker 2: and network with lots of other small creators. I did

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Speaker 2: this a lot when I'm first setting out, and I

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Speaker 2: still do it now. Okay, so let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: content you actually want to create. You should create content

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Speaker 2: that your audience would like to see, rather than just

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Speaker 2: creating content for you. So what I mean by that

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Speaker 2: is focus less on looking a certain way, looking good,

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Speaker 2: getting the angle right. I think it's more important for

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Speaker 2: it to be really helpful content for the audience. And

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Speaker 2: this was a lesson that I learned. I used to

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Speaker 2: just post really hot photos and like, Wow, look how

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Speaker 2: can you show me how to do that, and I'd

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Speaker 2: be like, oh, it doesn't look as good when I'm

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Speaker 2: like filming close off. Just forget about it, Like be helpful,

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Speaker 2: and then interact with your audience. Make sure that you're

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Speaker 2: engaging with them. They're your people, they're your supporters, so

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Speaker 2: make sure that you're replying to messages all that kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. Micro creators are really powerful and often have

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Speaker 2: the most engaged audience. I'm talking like under five thousand,

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Speaker 2: under ten thousand followers. People love hacks. Show the things

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Speaker 2: that you do in your beauty routine that might be

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Speaker 2: game changing for others. Things that you've kind of forgotten

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Speaker 1: Was that moment? I'm really bad at consistency.

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Speaker 2: Look, Consistency is key for your audience and also for

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Speaker 2: the algorithm. You need to keep showing.

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Speaker 2: It's important to know that perfect is the enemy of done.

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Speaker 2: So I think a lot of the times we don't

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Speaker 1: For example, the other night, I was told by my

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Speaker 1: I just said, this is my outfit. And then I

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Speaker 1: and I sent it to you, Lucy, and you're like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like on the stories, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: So I posted on a feed It's the highest organic

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Speaker 1: which is my most flattering cut. Old Zara pletters that

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, people are really craving authenticity, So

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Speaker 2: show yourself as you are, show up as you are,

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Speaker 2: and like, don't worry about oh, the camera's a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously you want to have a clean lens

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Speaker 2: all this content just sit in your drafts because it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, use the inup native features like texts and polls

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Speaker 2: sure that you only accept invitations and gifting and jobs

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Speaker 2: tells your audience to because trust is everything and if

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Speaker 2: be people that can learn a lot from you. And lastly,

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Speaker 2: controversial hot take, you don't need a ring light. I've

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Speaker 2: bought a ring light. I've bought all this lighting, and

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Speaker 2: Go you've flown on a window, get one of these.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear this noise that was my phone lifting up

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Speaker 2: it's sticky, so they don't leave a residue. Just show

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Speaker 2: up in natural light. I don't worry about the ring light.

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Speaker 1: I don't use you can always see the ring light

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Speaker 1: in your eyeballs. Anyway, it's annoying. Firstly, no regrets. Secondly, okay,

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, I have a lot of regrets.

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Speaker 1: Every mistake is a lesson, right, Okay, the beauty ones

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Speaker 1: to set the tone, all right. I was addicted to

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Speaker 1: me rewind. I never went to hair songs when I

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Speaker 1: But with time, what I've realized is that it was

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Speaker 1: This year, I've become even more intense with it because

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Speaker 1: But very much at the start, it was like learning

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Speaker 1: I think it's just like a really nice thing as

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Speaker 1: i've become a mother to have that confidence in who

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Speaker 1: I am naturally. But as I said before, mistakes end

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Speaker 1: up being lessons, So really do I regret it? No?

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Speaker 2: I love that I have one major beauty regret, fake tanning.

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Speaker 2: I similarly saw the beauty standard being projected that was,

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Speaker 2: you know, tanned, blonde, you know, talk about this classic

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Speaker 2: I am really pale. I'm an Irish girl, and I've

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Speaker 1: The best product wins. I should have saved my money budget.

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Speaker 2: Key, it's time for your recommendation of the week, your

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Speaker 1: It's another boogie who I'm sorry about it. So last

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Speaker 1: that cured my vitamin C disaster, and that is the

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Speaker 1: Alpha H Vitamin B serum with five percent nicinemi. So, firstly,

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Speaker 1: it's blue.

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Speaker 1: It's blue. It's blue that is thanks to the blue

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Speaker 1: Gardinier extract which gives it this lovely, very subtle, delicate scent.

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Speaker 1: It's a frickin' super serum. The serum I swear to God.

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Speaker 1: So it's so hydrating. It's designed to protect against damage

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Speaker 1: The hyaluronic acid in it and the ncinem I'd give

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Speaker 1: was in my FuG. My fugg is hearing a FuG

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Speaker 1: Whip it out, whip it real good, honey? Because it

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Speaker 2: What you got?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Mine is the nas Soft Mat Complete Concealer. It's fifty

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Speaker 2: three dollars. So everyone has always recommended this on in

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Speaker 1: What do you think about them? Matt though? Right?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm not a Matt girl.

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Speaker 1: Because as soon as you say Matt, you lose me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that just made a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: Because I do this sometimes I'm like, why is why

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Speaker 2: professional concealer. Okay, I like a makeup artist and amazing

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Speaker 1: Well, I've just run out of Concealer, so if we

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Speaker 1: go off, we go to Ube's.

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Speaker 1: You know what else we appreciate? Tell me five star reviews.

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Speaker 2: Yes where I'll be tomorrow in our ears, in her

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