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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by BONDEI sans everyday skincare.

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Speaker 2: I didn't seek it. I wasn't looking for a change.

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Speaker 2: I really loved my service and I felt like I

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Busy and happy are not the same thing. We too

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Speaker 1: rarely question what makes the heart seeing. We work, then

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Speaker 1: we rest, but rarely we play and often don't realize

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Speaker 1: there's more than one way. So this is a platform

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Speaker 1: to hear and explore the stories of those who found lives.

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Speaker 3: They adore, the good, bad and ugly.

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Speaker 1: The best and worst day will bear all the facets

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Speaker 1: of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful

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Speaker 1: of Sarah, a lawyer turned fu entrepreneur who swapped the

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Speaker 1: suits and heels to co found matcha Maiden and matcha

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Speaker 1: Milk Bark.

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Speaker 3: Cca is a series of.

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Speaker 1: Conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the

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Speaker 1: self doubt, challenge, joy and.

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Speaker 3: Fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 1: Well, you might have seen that the spicy cough finally

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Speaker 1: caught up with me, But thank goodness I squeezed this

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Speaker 3: Get it to you before Easter.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest epitomizes everything that gets me excited about life

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Speaker 1: and it's many twists and turns, and is even more

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Speaker 1: special because she was nominated by someone in the yeghborhood.

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Speaker 1: So first off, a very big thank you to the

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Speaker 1: lovely Emily de Wildris for listening to the show and

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Speaker 1: taking the time out of your day to submit this

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Speaker 1: beautiful story. I probably wouldn't have discovered our guest without you,

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Speaker 1: So I love encouraging you all to whistle blow in

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Speaker 1: the best way possible so that we can shine a

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Speaker 1: light on yighborhood heroes like today's introducing Alison Gordon, who

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Speaker 1: has one of the coolest collection of careers I've encountered

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Speaker 1: and is a wonderful reminder of the unexpected way your

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Speaker 1: dots can connect, from starting out in the army to

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Speaker 1: becoming an Antarctic and Arctic expedition leader. A surprise connection

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Speaker 1: between Antarctica and maggots then led her into eco friendly

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Speaker 1: and sustainable dog food. Every moment of this conversation had

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Speaker 1: me absolutely captivated. Allison is humble, funny, and infinitely clever,

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Speaker 1: and it was a lovely change to know very little

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Speaker 1: for the first time along with you, guys. I really

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy this one and find it as interesting.

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Speaker 3: As I did. Allison, welcome to Seize the A. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited to be here, Sarah, thank you so

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Speaker 4: much for having me.

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Speaker 3: It is such a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: And this is extra special because, as all of you

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Speaker 1: and this came about because of a nomination from Emily

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Speaker 1: de Wilgers. If it is Emily Deues or Emily just

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Speaker 1: of your surname, but thank you so much for recommending Allison.

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Speaker 1: Big shout out to you and Alison. Thank you for

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Speaker 4: I was really really humbled that Emily did that.

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Speaker 2: She's such a such a remarkable, beautiful, beautiful person, and

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Speaker 2: it's really confronting and humbling when someone says, no, you

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Speaker 4: No, no, what I shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 2: She's a special person for thinking, you know, nice things

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: The extent of Allison's humility is literally such that we

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Speaker 1: will hear very quickly, Alison's story is absolutely extraordinary. I

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Speaker 4: You know. Well, thanks for selling me out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just put that straight out there.

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Speaker 1: I love to start by asking everyone what the most

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Speaker 3: So what is something really normal about you?

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Speaker 4: Pun intended like, I honestly missed this question, so I'm

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Speaker 2: Say that it's really normal for me to have spoken

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Speaker 1: I get told that all the time, especially when it's

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Speaker 3: I want to tell your entire story.

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Speaker 1: All the other dots in your story don't necessarily connect,

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I often think, and you've probably heard

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, you can really see that

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Speaker 4: But I also saw in the community that not everyone

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Speaker 2: And I think having the compassion to see that just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I looked back to younger men. I

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Speaker 1: it is interesting that your earliest beginnings were in the army.

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Speaker 1: But how did that come about? Was it because it

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Speaker 2: And I wish I had a much better answer for

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443
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447
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453
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455
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456
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Speaker 1: as we all know. I'll pop the link in the

457
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Speaker 1: show notes for you to check it out. I mean,

458
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Speaker 1: a seventeen year military career is like for a lot

459
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Speaker 1: of people, you know, that's that's the big part, the

460
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Speaker 1: big chunk of the way ta or the path ya.

461
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Speaker 1: But that was just the start for you that then

462
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Speaker 1: launched into being an antarctic and arctic expeditionally that which

463
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Speaker 1: is not the most straightforward thing that comes after, and

464
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Speaker 1: that's still not even the point where you know, we're

465
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Speaker 1: at at this point in time now, So can you

466
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Speaker 1: talk to us about what the next chapter was? But

467
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Speaker 1: also how you know when you're ready for a new chapter,

468
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Speaker 1: because I think people don't necessarily know when they're agitating

469
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Speaker 1: for change and then how to execute that change. And

470
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Speaker 1: it's easy to become not complacent, but to sit in

471
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Speaker 1: one thing that you're familiar with for a really long time,

472
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Speaker 1: and especially if there's lots of diversity and ladders to

473
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Speaker 1: climb and directions to go, you know, it's I think

474
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Speaker 1: some people don't ever walk away from the chapter they

475
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Speaker 1: start in so how did you make that big shift

476
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Speaker 1: into a whole new chapter.

477
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Speaker 2: Yes, so right, like it is scary, I think is

478
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Speaker 2: the term I would use to leave the security of

479
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Speaker 2: a full time job that you know you can do

480
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Speaker 2: and you know you can and find stability. And so

481
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Speaker 2: I didn't seek it. I wasn't looking for a change.

482
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Speaker 2: I really loved my service and I felt like I

483
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Speaker 2: was doing good. But it presented and it came at

484
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Speaker 2: a time where you know, they're serving in their military.

485
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Speaker 2: For me, anyway, was very much it was a lifestyle choice.

486
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: It wasn't just a job because you committed. I committed

487
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: so much to it at the cost in many ways

488
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Speaker 2: of time with my family, and my mum was unwell,

489
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Speaker 2: and I really felt like I wanted to, you know,

490
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Speaker 2: spend a bit more time with her. And you can,

491
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Speaker 2: you can go into the military and choose jobs that

492
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Speaker 2: are a little less demanding, but that wasn't what I

493
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Speaker 2: loved about it. So it's sort of it came at

494
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Speaker 2: a time where there were a few things making me,

495
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Speaker 2: I suppose, just question whether I wanted to give at

496
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Speaker 2: that same level. But really, I think I could sum

497
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Speaker 2: it up just by saying the opportunity presented, and I

498
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Speaker 2: think I would have regretted not trying and not taking it.

499
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Speaker 3: Wow, And so how did it come about?

500
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Speaker 1: I also love that reminder that you know, sometimes you

501
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Speaker 1: go out seeking the next chapter. Sometimes you don't know

502
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Speaker 1: you're already until it arrives on your lap. And who

503
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: is it that says something about being where the lightning strikes,

504
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: Like you know, sometimes you don't actually need to be

505
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: actively seeking something else else, but you do need to

506
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: be overminded when it does actually come your way. Was

507
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: it literally met like were you already in Antarctica or

508
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Speaker 1: in the Arctic?

509
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Speaker 4: No? So it started because of my most amazing mother.

510
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Speaker 2: So she decided to get my dad a birthday present

511
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Speaker 2: for his sixtieth birthday, and I feel indulge me.

512
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Speaker 4: For just a moment.

513
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Speaker 2: My dad, who'd spent his time in the military, was

514
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: always obsessed with the heroic age of Antarctic exploration.

515
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 4: Think you know Ernest Shackleton.

516
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: And so Robert Falcom Scott and all of these really

517
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: you know, impressive pioneers of poul of travel. He was

518
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 2: obsessed to the point where when he was five, he'd

519
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Speaker 2: come up to me and say, Allison, who was in

520
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Speaker 2: Scott's last push to get to the South Pole, and

521
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Speaker 2: what did they die on the way home? And that's

522
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Speaker 2: honestly a little morbid. But I thought that was standard

523
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Speaker 2: questioning required a five year olds. I thought that's what

524
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Speaker 2: everyone's dad's were. It turns out not. It turns out

525
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Speaker 2: he was just a bit obsessed, and you know, he

526
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Speaker 2: it was just his interest, his hobby. So for his

527
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: sixtieth birthday, my mom gave him a trip to Antarctica.

528
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Speaker 4: It was a big.

529
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Speaker 2: Surprise, and she gave him my brother, my sister, and

530
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Speaker 2: I and I suppose the most beautiful part is my

531
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Speaker 2: mom was sick at the time with a chronic illness,

532
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Speaker 2: and so she sent the four people she loved most

533
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Speaker 2: in the world on the trip of a lifetime, knowing

534
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Speaker 2: she could never go.

535
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Speaker 4: I know, she's just beautiful.

536
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, she did. Oh what a beautiful woman.

537
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 4: She's amazing, and she's since passed.

538
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Speaker 2: So it's her legacy that, like, I went to Antarctica

539
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: and I just felt a little bit changed for it.

540
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Speaker 2: I know Antarctica does that to a lot of people,

541
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Speaker 2: lots of travel, lots of experiences do but you know,

542
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: just provided this perspective and the perspective was I felt

543
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Speaker 2: like I got down there and you feel the enormity

544
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Speaker 2: of the place. It is so vast and so wild,

545
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: and you are such a small small part of what

546
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Speaker 2: feels like a beautiful, complex and massive ecosystem, and like

547
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: I just I really felt changed for it. So I

548
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: came back after that was a great family trip, thank

549
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: you Mum, and came back and continue to serve and

550
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 2: love it. But it was in my head, it was

551
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: like there was this call to return that I had

552
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 2: never really felt, you know, felt before, and I just

553
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: I really wanted to get back there. And so the

554
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: company that I went with on that fabulous trip was

555
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: seeking to expand and they were looking for Mandarin linguists. No, yeah,

556
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: and I knew I wasn't a good one. I knew

557
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: I could speak about bilateral relations, but I could speak

558
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Speaker 2: about England's.

559
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Speaker 3: I couldn't speak practical.

560
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't speak about you know, glaciers and icebergs. So

561
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to be pretty subpar. But

562
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: I was transparent about that upfront. But you know, they

563
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: saw it as sort of a gesture. They know he's

564
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Speaker 2: someone that can start out program and will just get better.

565
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 4: And thankfully they did get a lot better than me.

566
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: They now have very very impressive mansion linguists, and they've

567
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: moved me on to other jobs because I was really

568
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: quite rubbish at that. But that's what got me in

569
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Speaker 2: the door, and I'm so so so grateful for that

570
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: because now I get to go to the Antarctic and

571
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: the Arctic as well. Then they're both so beautiful and

572
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: so different, and I work with the most incredible people.

573
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: They are outdoor nerds, and as far as I'm concerned,

574
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: they're just the you know, the most fabulous, beautiful teams.

575
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Speaker 4: And every time I go, I'm humbled by the place.

576
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Speaker 4: It is.

577
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Speaker 2: It is not to be trifled with. You can't you

578
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: can't take any arrogance to those wild places, and it

579
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: is it is just beauty upon beauty every time.

580
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't even fathom. But I have

581
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Speaker 1: had experiences, not in Antarctica, but with vastness, like vastness

582
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Speaker 1: to the point of almost agrophobia, where you just kind

583
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: of like, do I exist? Like there is nothing you know,

584
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: existential though, but you don't. There's too much noise and

585
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: stuff normally in your life to ever get to that point.

586
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: But like we were in the outback in the Flint's

587
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: Rangers recently, and that vastness of like there is nothing

588
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: for like kilometers and kilometers and kilometers and you can

589
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: see the moon and like you do have like this

590
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: weird existential moment of like am I alive?

591
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: Like I'm so tiny? Like what is time? What is space?

592
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: What is humanity?

593
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: And like nothing measures up to those experiences. Once you've

594
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: had one of being like it's vastness, I think that

595
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: brings it on and like it's just I know what

596
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: you mean, You're forever changed. And then you kind of

597
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: come back into the city and you're like, oh, I

598
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: can't I can't be the same as I.

599
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: Was before that, you said, really really beautifully and amusingly.

600
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my brain was literally like ah. And we

601
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: had this saying like Nick and I, you know, done

602
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: the humalayas and like big just gigantic natural formations where

603
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: human life is not as widespread as it is here.

604
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: It just does something to you.

605
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: And I think I'm not one hundred percent sure yet,

606
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: but I think I get the chance to visit Antarctica

607
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: at the end of this year, and I'm so so

608
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: excited because I think like it's one of those complete

609
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: perspective shifting, transformative experiences, and I can't imagine being an

610
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: explanition leader there, Like that is so extraordinary.

611
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: I feel like I need to talk to you more

612
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: about this, about this.

613
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, I really hope you get to go.

614
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: Oh, oh my gosh, I can't. Oh, so you did

615
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: that for eight years before, like another big kind of

616
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: quantum shift happened in your orbit In that chapter leaving

617
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: the military, I can imagine like going into a civilian,

618
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: structured life, but also not not exactly a conventional life.

619
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: Let's be real, going back and forward from Antarctica, what

620
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: was that chapter?

621
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: Like? What was you know? I think we all often

622
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: live like so far in the future of like is

623
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: this forever? What is this going to mean?

624
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: Were you just living in the moment and you know,

625
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: were you like I'm going to move, I want to

626
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: live here, Like what was your kind of head doing

627
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: in terms of your pathway at that time?

628
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: That's such a nice question.

629
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: It was kind of reeling because I had taken this

630
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: massive leap and I probably wouldn't have done it without

631
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: seeing some at least having exposure to that through you know,

632
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: some other really raven cool people that I'd met along

633
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: the way, mostly skiing actually, you know, looking at people

634
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: that work in those.

635
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: Sorts of industries and yeah, that make it work.

636
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Speaker 2: So you know, I think the transition wasn't as jarring

637
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: as what it could have been because I felt like

638
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: I was still working in small teams, which is which

639
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: felt very very comfortable to me. We were still working

640
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: in pretty extreme environments, which also felt very very natural

641
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: and comfortable in Zahweh, Antarctica and never, you don't never

642
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: want to be comfortable and complacent. But that part wasn't

643
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: the hard part, And the thing I liked was coming

644
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: in with with no I suppose baggage. You know, the

645
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: military is a small place and you know, mostly people

646
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: know you, and I suppose there is a rank structure.

647
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: I mean that it's not terribly important or facets of it,

648
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: but you know, you wear it on your uniform and

649
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: so people see you and immediately associate what experiences you

650
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: have and what responsibilities you might have based on that rank. Like,

651
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of judgment with it, That's not

652
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say, but you know, there is

653
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: an expectation, and so I came into an organization that

654
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: you don't have that expectation. You know, it's just up

655
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 2: to you to be who you are and for them

656
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: to see you on merit without that initial perception of expectation.

657
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: And I came here like right at the at the

658
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: lowest level too, and you know, it was kind of

659
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: cool to work your way back up through an organization

660
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: and sort of learn and then gain that extra responsibility

661
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: over time. So those things were kind of really refreshing.

662
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: I quite like that about it.

663
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool because I think sometimes in making

664
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: such a big shift, particularly out of the military, I've found,

665
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: like a couple of other guests who have had careers

666
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: after their time in service have found unwrapping their identity

667
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: from that structure and prestige but also recognition of rank

668
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing actually was a really hard

669
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: part of their identity to let go of. But I

670
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: love the perspective that it can also be very refreshing

671
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: because suddenly you aren't defined in a certain box or

672
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: in a certain way just on arrive, like on site,

673
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: people already know something about you. That's really cool that

674
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: it can also be liberating.

675
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: But tell you what I did find though, like in

676
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: the military as a sort of a military person. I

677
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: think I would have described myself as quite sort of

678
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: a nurturing and not always I didn't always get it right,

679
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: but you know, more on the gentle sort of military sign.

680
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: You know, there's some really strong people, and I never

681
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: considered myself that. I was always kind of a bit

682
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: more gently gently. So when I went to a civilian

683
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: organization my baseline where I was in the military, you know,

684
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: very very democratic and very very gentle. Transferring exactly the

685
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: same personality to another organization, I was hard and I

686
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: had to really tone it down because their baseline is

687
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: just very different. And that was a huge learning for me.

688
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: I thought, oh no, this is a different organization, and

689
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: I thought, the military it represents our society, and it

690
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: does in some ways.

691
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: But you know, the diversity I.

692
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: Found in working in a multinational team in the middle

693
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: of international waters was so fabulous. I just I saw

694
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: different styles of leadership that you know, it's not that

695
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: the military wouldn't cope with them, it's just that these

696
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: types of leaders probably would never be attracted to the military, right,

697
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, And that diversity, gosh, it was so nourishing

698
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: and so enriching, and I really I grew massively as

699
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: a human for having that experience outside of the military

700
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: as well.

701
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: That is so cool.

702
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: And I'll also just point out to our audience that

703
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: Allison is not extraordinarily high. That's her dog in the

704
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: background and making the little noises. It sounded like it

705
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: was a tummy grumble, but it was the dot no

706
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. I feel like Paul at some point,

707
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: would you'p in. People in our audiences are very familiar

708
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: with dog noises on this show, so speaking of dog

709
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: it's really really cool to me that again the next

710
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: dot point so far and definitely not the last dot

711
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: point I'm sure is again completely not the logical step

712
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: that you would expect. So I don't think that the

713
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: connection between antarctica and maggots seems especially straightforward, nor does

714
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: maggots to dog food. But you have somehow tied all

715
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: the dots together. What in your life, like the daily

716
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: life of you know, doing expeditions in Antarctica led you

717
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: to a sustainable dog food business. And also I did

718
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: forget to ask in that role in Antarctica, like how

719
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: long were you there and what was your day to

720
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: day that like, you know, when you lead someone on expedition,

721
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: how long is that?

722
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

723
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's eight hundred questions in one go. I'm obviously

724
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: too fascinated by you. Whatever you like to answer, answer

725
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: it in that order.

726
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: So Antarctica and the Arctic both equally as beautiful and

727
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: as amazing. And you know, our trips where we're ship based,

728
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: it's tourism, and you know, we try and make it

729
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: as responsible tourism as possible. It's ship based, and the

730
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: trips can go anywhere from say nine days up to

731
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: twenty two days in the Antarctic and sort of similar

732
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: spans in the Arctic as well. And our aim is

733
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: that the ships are beautiful, but our aim is to

734
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: actually not be on the ships. Our aim is to

735
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: get into the wild. And so what that normally looks

736
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: like is getting off the ship if possible, twice a day,

737
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: so after breakfast, between breakfast and lunch out doing something amazing,

738
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: and then equally after lunch before dinner out doing something amazing,

739
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: and then just really back on the ship eating. We

740
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: also have a really an education program I'm really proud of.

741
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: So we have all of these specialists, glaciologists, ornithologists, that's

742
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 2: that's bird peoples, historians, photographers, all of these really technically

743
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: specialist people, and they really shine when they get to

744
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: provide context to everything that a fabulous guests is seeing,

745
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: you know, they bring it to life by For instance,

746
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 2: the first time I saw a blue whale, oh my god,

747
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: it was amazing. I can't even tell you how incredible

748
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: it was. But I had a marine biologist with me,

749
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: and it was two am and we'd seen it, and

750
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: it was my first blue whale. And she was just

751
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: beside herself with excitement as well, because this is like

752
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: a once in our lifetime viewing.

753
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: It really is.

754
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 2: You don't get to see these remarkable things very often.

755
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 2: And she said, we have to wake up the ship.

756
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: We have to tell everyone.

757
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: So we did, and she gets on, she gets on

758
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: the public addressed system, she has everyone get out here.

759
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: There is a blue whale. You have to come and

760
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: see it. And then she just keeps telling about it.

761
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: She's right, everyone, this blue whale. These guys are the

762
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: size of a seven four seven is the size of

763
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: a small a child can swim through at say Orta Like,

764
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: she just provides all of these beautiful little things that

765
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 2: make you realize that this this creature will not functionally

766
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: exist on land. It is so so big that it

767
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: will just be completely impractical. And you know they get

768
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: I just work with these people that get really passionate

769
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: about what they're doing and how they how they deliver

770
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: this education.

771
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: So it really it really brings a place to life.

772
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 4: And it's oh my.

773
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 3: Gosh, that just makes me so excited.

774
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, my passion is listening to other

775
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: people talk about what they're passionate about, but particularly in

776
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: areas of passion that are not super common or that

777
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: aren't you know, you don't graduate school thinking I'm going

778
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: to be a glaciologist, like who even knows that they exist?

779
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: But that is so cool, Oh my gosh, pretty amazing.

780
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: And so how did then the idea for a dog

781
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: food business come about? I know that it was like

782
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: linked in with the impact of climate change, which is

783
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: alarmingly more visible in a landscape as vast and perhaps

784
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: and not as blocked by kind of noise and business

785
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: in the city life.

786
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: But how does that translate into dog food?

787
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 4: Can you hear my dog in the background going.

788
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you the story.

789
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the link makes sense in yeah, it's a tenuous one,

790
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: but it was logical to me because I was seeing

791
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: the effects of the way I was living my life

792
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: at home in Australia, and I was seeing the effects

793
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: of that in these beautiful places that I'd completely fallen

794
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: in love with. And what I was finding is that

795
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 2: every fifteen to twenty days we would take a whole

796
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 2: bunch of you know, fantastic new people down and they

797
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: would fall in love with it as well. So I thought, well,

798
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: here we have a captive audience. Antarctica is an incredible place,

799
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: but it has no technical borders, it has no elected government,

800
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: it has no currency, it has no native population. So

801
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's got some great treaties around it that

802
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: protect it, but it doesn't have a voice in the

803
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: same way that you know, Australia has a voice. So

804
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: what I hoped to do was have, you know, give

805
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: people this experience as an expedition leader. I hope that

806
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: I could make them love it as much as I did,

807
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: so that they would go away and think that is

808
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: worth conserving, That is worth worth you know, making a

809
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: small change or you know, advocating for in my future

810
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: when I return home. And so you know, the people

811
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: that go to Antactic. Honestly, I wish every person on

812
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: the planet could go there, but they're not cheap trips

813
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: to really save up to go on them. So the

814
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: people that were going were often educated. And I don't

815
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: want to I don't want to generalize too much, but

816
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, the main demographic is someone who's educated, is

817
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: either save for a long time and done really well

818
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: to tick off this massive, massive trip, or you know,

819
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: actually comes from a fairly wealthy background. And if that's

820
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: the case, then they're in a really privileged position where

821
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: they they might be able to speak with their money

822
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: and they might be able to shop their values.

823
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 4: So my aim was to I can fall in love

824
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: with it. Falling in love with it, which honestly.

825
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: Is nothing to do with me the places by themselves,

826
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: but at least provide the opportunity for them to do that,

827
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: and hope that they might go and do this, and

828
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: I advocate for it. So I did this by then

829
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: putting together a bit of a presentation about, you know,

830
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: the state of the world and as it is in

831
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: terms of our climates, and also by showcasing not in

832
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: a super grim depressing way, but by showcasing what people

833
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: are doing out there that could inspire them to do

834
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: just that, to shop their.

835
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: Values or to be part of the change.

836
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: And so I'd come across these companies they were doing

837
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: amazing things, and I'd talk about them and highlight them,

838
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: and in doing so, I came across a couple of

839
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: companies that were trying.

840
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 4: To fix two problems. Firstly, a waste problem.

841
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: That is to say, a lot of organic matter is

842
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: sent to landfill where it decomposes and produces greenhouse gases

843
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 2: and you know, often methane, which is particularly potent greenhouse gas.

844
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: So there's a big waste problem, and there still is

845
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: a big waste problem. So there was companies that were

846
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: solving both a waste problem and a protein problem. The

847
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: protein problem is that the animal agriculture industry, and we've

848
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: got some really great innovations in Australia improving it, but

849
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: the animal agriculture industry typically has quite a high carbon footprint,

850
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: and so these companies were using insects to solve a

851
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: waste problem and to provide sustainable protein. So I started

852
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: talking about these just as you know, random things that

853
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: people were doing. And then I'd come back to Australia,

854
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, here I am taking people

855
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: to Antarctica and the Arctic and then talking about how

856
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: we can all make choices that will hopefully help help

857
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 2: these places. I really have to start practicing what I preach,

858
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: so I thought, well, maybe I can. I can make

859
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: some sustainable protein too, And that's how it started.

860
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I get just so excited hearing how

861
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: like small tiny foundations or people you meet, or conversations

862
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: you have all start to add up to, Like you

863
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: can see the momentum building, Like the snowball starts, tiny snowball.

864
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, in Antarctica, the snowball starts, but it

865
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: starts to roll as you get more momentum and excitement

866
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: and start, you know, working with like how what products

867
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: would it be like filling the gaps and the jigsaw

868
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: puzzle piece starts to come together.

869
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 3: It just makes me so excited hearing about it.

870
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: But also it's particularly I feel like sometimes almost always

871
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: actually things come into your orbit for a reason, and

872
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: often all at the same time. And I spent last

873
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: night at the banks Heer Sustainability Awards with Lorel, who

874
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: I've been working with and have just been speaking about

875
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: like plastic eating enzymes and oh, it's just like, oh,

876
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: we were meant to have this conversation today. It's just

877
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm getting so passionate and excited about other people who

878
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: are passionate and excited about bringing our awareness to the

879
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: statistics about climate change and the environment that we're not

880
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: talking about enough, but making it and packaging up it

881
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: in ways that engage people to realize, you know, we

882
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: need to do something, but also it can be cool

883
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: and exciting to do it, like that food. Yeah, So

884
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: how did that next step of okay, sustainable proteins then

885
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: convert into a business Because you know, a lot of

886
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: people have great ideas and they see gaps that need

887
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: to be filled, but actually doing that and getting a

888
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: whole product off the ground. It's hard enough when the

889
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: product exists, but when it doesn't and no one's really

890
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: done it before and it's new technology, and like, I know,

891
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, you've got a zero waste business model that

892
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: in itself is enormously difficult. How did you get feed

893
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: for thought, coolest name, by the way off the ground?

894
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: Much like you've just highlighted, it wasn't necessarily a linear,

895
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: a linear or natural process so I knew I wanted

896
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: to work with these phenomenal insects because they are just

897
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: their environmental warriors. So I decided to start an insect

898
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: farm and start really learning about these insects. And you know,

899
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: it is every girl's dream to be a maggot farmer.

900
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: So absolutely I'm living.

901
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: What do you do? I'm a maggot farmer.

902
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: It's really glam yeah.

903
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: So and I can't even say that anymore. I'm no

904
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: longer growing my own insects. But what I spent a.

905
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: Year and a half learning how to do that.

906
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: And you know, seeing that whatever you feed the insects

907
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: when they're growing, when they're in lava form, you know

908
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: that will result in a different nutrition makeup and at

909
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: the other end, so you know, really understanding that process.

910
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: And I thought I was going to do something with

911
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: that insect farm. When I started, I thought, yep, I'm

912
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: going to grow sustainable protein and sell sustainable protein.

913
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: But you've got to kind of work out what you're going.

914
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: To sell sustainable protein too, And I thought, well, what

915
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: I would do is showcase what you could turn it into,

916
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: so that will get investors to come in and help

917
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: me scale up insect farm, because it's huge technology and

918
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: huge investment to take it from a really mandrolic process

919
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: into a technologically advanced, scalable system. So I thought, I know,

920
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: I will show what it can be used for. And

921
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: at that point I'd sort of had been researching what

922
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: it can be used for.

923
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: And there was some.

924
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: Really great companies in the UK and in Europe and

925
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: in eating Canada that we're using this particular insect in

926
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: dog food because it serendipitously has some really great fatty

927
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: acids and some really great vitamins and minerals that are

928
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: are conducive to a dog's diet. So I got a

929
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: vet on board. I knew this wonderful, wonderful, incredibly talented,

930
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: astute and intelligent vet, and I said, is this a thing?

931
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: Can we try this? And she did a bunch of

932
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: research and we eventually realized that we could. We could

933
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: make dog food out of this protein.

934
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: So we did.

935
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: We came up with a recipe, and then I realized

936
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: that I was an idiot because you can't, well, I

937
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: couldn't do all of this scaling of the insect farm

938
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: and then grow a dog food business, which I was

939
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: really laughing, and my dog was loving, so use one

940
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: or the other. So I thought, I know, there's some

941
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: other really great fly farmers in Australia, but there's no

942
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: one turning it into dog food. I can use their

943
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: insects and make it into my dog food. And so

944
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: that's what we did, and that's what we sort of

945
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: spent the next year or so formulating and testing and

946
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: coming out with a product.

947
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's so extraordinary. I just love seeing

948
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: how it all like.

949
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: It didn't even start as dog food. You know, I

950
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: think people really have this misconception that you have to

951
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: start out with like a five year plan and know

952
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: exactly where you're going. And you know, you can just

953
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: start with an idea that then evolves very quickly into

954
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: a totally different idea, but you just have to start.

955
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: And then once you start, everything all else kind of

956
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: falls into place.

957
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: And sure it's not ideal, like ideally I would have

958
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: had a really robust and workable business plan that knew

959
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: exactly what I was going to do and exactly how

960
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: it's going to sell.

961
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: But it's just not what happened. And I'm okay with

962
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: that now.

963
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely extraordinary. So how long ago was that? And you

964
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: know where are you at with the business now?

965
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: So that was.

966
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen when I started that, and I launched a

967
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: a commercial product in September last year, so.

968
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: I've been a goose for a few months with the

969
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: dog freed.

970
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's brand new.

971
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: Well, I'll have to include some links in the show

972
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: notes so that we can all get feed for thought

973
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: for our little fur babies. But also, I mean, you're

974
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: literally doing such a huge amount of work on combating

975
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: I was reading the twenty two percent of greenhouse gas

976
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: emissions are caused by organic waste in landfill and animal agriculture,

977
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: which just blows my mind. So, I mean, how exciting

978
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: that this is what it's all culminated. And I'm so

979
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: excited for you. Congratulations, Ah, thank you.

980
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I feel so privileged and you're right, like it's really

981
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: just it's showcasing the value of the circular economy.

982
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 4: You know.

983
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: I get to take unused food, feed it to an insect.

984
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: That insect grows into a protein, so they take food,

985
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: they turn themselves into food, and then I put that

986
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 2: into more food and it just works so well.

987
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 3: It is so cool. I love that we were talking

988
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 3: at the Bank Zery World.

989
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: Last night there was a lot of you know, discussions

990
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: about circular farming and circular fashion and circular everything, and

991
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: one of the guys has is doing a really sustainable

992
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: way of producing train lines and it kept saying circular

993
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: train line and I just had this image of like

994
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: a train going around.

995
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 4: It's so.

996
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: It's not very efficient, but it's incredible.

997
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: The way that businesses are really changing the way that

998
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: they use their power and making it possible to still

999
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: have everything that we have in this life, but in

1000
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: a way that has a much more conscious and smaller

1001
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: footprint for the planet. It doesn't have to be done

1002
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: the way that we've always done it. And you know,

1003
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: huge props to you doing this, and especially given how

1004
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: randomly you kind of fell into it.

1005
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 3: But it's so cool, thank.

1006
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: You, and that that is the ultimate aim, just to

1007
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: you know, each of the kilo bags represents forty kilos

1008
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: of upcycled food, and I just I get so excited

1009
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: when I come across a product that you know, that

1010
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: I can use which is not any more inconvenient to

1011
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: me but just does some good. And you know, kip cups,

1012
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: free range eggs, zero co cleaning products or who gives

1013
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: a crap dog food. They are all just good examples

1014
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: of products that you know, can you can choose that

1015
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: just make you feel good. And that's that's what I want.

1016
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: I want you to just people to be able to feel

1017
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 2: good about what they're choosing.

1018
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

1019
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: I literally just had a box of zero co cleaning

1020
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: products delivered, like a whole box of stuff because I

1021
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: didn't know that existed until just recently. And I'm like,

1022
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: there's like, as a consumer making those swaps, it's not difficult,

1023
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: like it No, it can sometimes be a little bit

1024
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: more expensive, but if you're as passionate as you know,

1025
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: once you hear the difference it makes, then most of

1026
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: the time I find like, in your mind that extra

1027
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: money it makes no difference when you know that the

1028
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: huge difference in impact to the you you're making with

1029
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: that choice. It's just but in terms of inconvenience, it's

1030
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: no more inconvenient. You just buy it from somewhere else.

1031
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: And it's amazing how many options they are out there now.

1032
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly, and that I really get excited about that.

1033
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: Well, neighborhood, please get around feed for thought, because I

1034
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: think you know all our fur babies could benefit so

1035
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: much from it, but also the planet and get behind Allison,

1036
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: because I mean, what an amazing story. And I've been

1037
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: so enamored with your story that I have used the

1038
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: entire episode on the story instead of anything else. But that,

1039
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: to me is absolutely okay, because it's been such an

1040
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: incredible story. But I'd love to just finish by asking

1041
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: you about you know, who you are outside of work,

1042
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: which is traditionally what I you know, try and talk

1043
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: about more because I know the measure of our identity

1044
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: is and our productivity. But you've just been so interesting.

1045
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I've spent so long on what you do,

1046
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: not who you are. But how do you play outside

1047
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: of all these extraordinary things? What do you do that's

1048
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: just for fun?

1049
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: I think I get so much enrichment from from my

1050
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: family and some really fabulous, phenomenal girlfriends. I think that's

1051
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: probably what feels my cup of tea my teak up

1052
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: the most. But also I have a dog, and he's amazing,

1053
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: and the good thing about him is that he's active.

1054
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: He gets me outdoors twice a day every day, and

1055
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: even on the days where I don't feel like necessarily

1056
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: going out in the rain, I just I do love

1057
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: being in the outdoors. I love skiing, I love going

1058
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: to Paula Regions. You know, the outdoors is a really

1059
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: special place. But you know, I feel a little bit

1060
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: inferior when people are like, oh, I have to be

1061
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: in the outdoors. Sometimes I actually don't want to. Sometimes

1062
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: I want to stay warm if I even if I

1063
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: when I go outside, I'm always I always feel better

1064
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: for it afterwards. So you know, the outdoors and family

1065
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: and friends are really and I love baking too.

1066
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh isn't it funny that often, like you know, sometimes

1067
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: there'll be a really elaborate answer to this question where

1068
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: it's you know, a specific type of pottery or something

1069
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, really, but often it's just really simple things

1070
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: like just going outside or being with my friends or

1071
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: reading a book. Like it's funny how much our lives

1072
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: are you know, have strayed so far from the basics,

1073
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: but you know we can get a lot of joy

1074
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: and pleasure from making time for them somewhere in amongst

1075
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: the antarctica and the circular farming and all the incredible.

1076
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: Work you're doing.

1077
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: Second last question, what are three interesting things about you

1078
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: that don't normally come up in conversation.

1079
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: HM.

1080
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: Again, this goes back to I'm not sure if anyone

1081
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: will find these things interesting, but I don't normally talk

1082
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: about the fact that I have really immature taste once.

1083
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 3: And that yourself is so immature.

1084
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: So I want to like spicy food, but also manifest

1085
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: in other ways, like I'm not particularly fond of alcohol

1086
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 2: and drink, and I don't talk about that much because

1087
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: I get I got dumped once.

1088
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god. I'm always really worried that people are

1089
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: going to go, oh, you social pariah.

1090
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: You were ahead of your time. You know the non

1091
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: alcoholic alcohol movement. There's about to be a whole Dan Murphy's.

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Speaker 1: That's just non alcoholic alcohol, a whole Dan murphy Store.

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00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: Well, those people that mocked me can jump. I don't

1094
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: often lead with that because yeah, I think would be like,

1095
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 2: oh maybe I can't trust you.

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00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 4: I'm so much fun.

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00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 3: I'm fun naturally. So there.

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Speaker 4: Number two.

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Speaker 2: I love Christmas carols, and I love Christmass so much

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00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: that I don't like to wait until December because you

1101
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: get so much story for something, why not just play

1102
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: them all year?

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00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: So my loty habit is I will often work out

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00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 4: to Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Carols, shut up. That's so cool.

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00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: I love that so much. But I must say, are

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00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: you sure that's not why you were dumped? That you

1108
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: were singing Christmas carols in.

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00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, may or something.

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00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I love that You're like, you know what, screw the judgment.

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00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: I will not be put in a box. I will

1112
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: not only sing in December.

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00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: It's my happy song, you know, whatever gets you popped up.

1114
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: And the last thing, in fact, it's not even about me,

1115
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 2: but I think I have I'm really humble to be

1116
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: the human to an incredible dog, my dog Max.

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Speaker 4: But the interesting thing.

1118
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: About him is that he has he has a face

1119
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: full of PTSD post traumatic stress disorder.

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Speaker 4: He's a re homed military dog.

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00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, oh my god, so he's.

1122
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: Got PTSD because he didn't quite cut it in that career.

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Speaker 2: He was supposed to be an attack dog, but he

1124
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: was scared of everything. I think Ducks was the last raw.

1125
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: When he went away right away from Ducks, that were like, oh,

1126
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: you're just not not the right temperament. So then they

1127
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: used him as a training aid and in a training role,

1128
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: and they would teach humans to jump out of planes

1129
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: with dogs with the training dog, and so he's done.

1130
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 2: He's done about one hundred para jumps.

1131
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Speaker 3: And oh my god.

1132
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 4: But he's just he pretty much.

1133
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: Assumes that every new person he meets he's going to

1134
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: throw him out of a plane.

1135
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: So it's just a bit nervous.

1136
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: But I don't blame you.

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00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm actually really glad you didn't tell me that before,

1138
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: because the entire episode would have been about Max's career.

1139
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: And like he's way to ya, because I'm obsessed with dogs.

1140
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the military. I'm obsessed with military dogs.

1141
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: There's a movie.

1142
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: Called Meghan Reed I think it is, which is like

1143
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: based on a true story about Meghan and her military dog.

1144
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 3: And one of our listeners.

1145
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Actually recommended to Kate Ryder, who's been on the show

1146
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: and he's part of the neighborhood, sent me the DVD

1147
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: because she knew I liked dogs and war and like,

1148
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: I cried so much, and I just think dogs that

1149
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: have jobs are the coolest things in the entire world.

1150
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: And Max is like a hero and like a you know,

1151
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: global treasure govern ran a little Oh what a beautiful boy.

1152
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 4: He's the sweetest thing.

1153
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh and like you know how they have the Harness's

1154
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: and they jump in the little hartness.

1155
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so cute.

1156
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 2: Any YouTube dogs, they put cameras on the back of dogs,

1157
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: and some of them when they jump down and they're released,

1158
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: the cameras on and they just go berserk, and so

1159
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: the footage is really funny.

1160
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1161
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: Well that's just made my day. That's what I'm going

1162
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: to spend the rest of the afternoon doing. Final question,

1163
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Speaker 1: Since I love quotes so much, what is your favorite quote?

1164
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: Okay, look, my go to is Margaret Mead because she

1165
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: says that you know, never doubt that a small group

1166
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 2: of citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only

1167
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: thing they ever has. So I do like that one.

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00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 2: But I think of late, you know, I think everyone

1169
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: just needs to certainly for me, you know, you need

1170
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: we've come out of a rough couple of years and

1171
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: the world can seem like a bit of a grim place.

1172
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: And so I really love this one from Tim Minchin,

1173
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: which is, don't seek happiness if you think of it

1174
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: too much, it goes away. Keep busy and aim to

1175
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 2: make someone else happy, and you might find you get

1176
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: some as a side effect.

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00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 4: And I really really love that.

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00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is absolutely beautiful and the perfect

1179
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: way to end. Allison, thank you so much. You've been

1180
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: absolutely extraordinary. Thank you Emily for the recommendation. It's just

1181
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: been a joy, and I hope one day we can

1182
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: catch up in person and be best friends forever.

1183
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 4: Thank you, I can. I'm true.

1184
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: Ah.

1185
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: What an amazing woman Allison is. I feel like after

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00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: every coore guest we have on, I want to become

1187
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: them or do what they do and go to the

1188
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: Arctic or Antarctic and make a business that's all zero

1189
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: carbon and eco friendly and sustainable.

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you go to a new

1192
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: city and decide that you want to live there forever.

1193
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: But I kind feel like I do that everywhere I go,

1194
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: So I really just need to come my farm.

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: I'll pop links to Feed for Thought in the show

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00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: notes so you can check out Allison's beautiful business. I

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00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: hope you all have an amazing Easter break, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be back with the very related birthday Q and a

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00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: installment of Yay's of our Lives next week. If you

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00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: have any questions at all for A or I or

1201
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: both of us, please shoot us a DM or an

1202
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: email and we'll include as many as we can. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, I hope you're seizing your yea