WEBVTT - “Another F***ing Woman” & The Census Question Starting Fights 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.720 Hello, and welcome to MoMA Mia out loud. 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.360 It's what women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:09.520 twelfth of August. 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.720 I'm Holly Wayne Wright, I'm emm Vernon. 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:13.840 I'm Amelia Lester. 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.720 And here's what's on our agenda today. A famous politician 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.040 is freezing her eggs and she's documenting her journey for 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.080 us all to see. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:26.080 Plus the Brad Pitt profile which everyone is talking about 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:27.920 and which we can't agree on. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.960 And another fucking woman. Am I right? 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:37.680 That is the sentiment we are unpacking today from several 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:38.639 troubling angles. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.120 But first, Amelia Lester. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.240 It's the census question getting every couple in Australia into 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.680 a fight. Yes, yesterday it was Christmas for demographers. It 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.600 was Census night in Australia and the government was stirring 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:57.680 up shit with one question in particular, which asked, in 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.560 the last week, did this person spend time doing unpaid 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.400 domestic work for their household and if so, how much? 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.480 How many couples do you think are doing the census 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.320 together and getting into huge arguments about whether or not 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.800 the other does more than five hours of household work 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:19.040 in a week, said one TikTok This TikTok from Lucy Oco, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.080 I think captures the dynamic happening in many households across 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:23.400 Australia perfectly. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.399 Now, this is the question that's getting everyone in Australia 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.440 and it can end up in a fight, which I 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.080 believe ours could. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.120 In the last week. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:37.120 Did Andrew spend time doing unpaid domestic work for their household? 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:44.839 No? Yes, there's the options are no, yes, did listen? 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:46.120 No? 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:47.720 Yes? 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.040 Less than five hours? 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.560 Yes, five to fourteen, yes, fifteen to twenty nine and 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.480 yes thirty hours. Five for it? 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:57.880 Fuck off? 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.680 Come on, be truth be truthful. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.200 Well what do you do? 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:06.920 All right? 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.359 I'm taking less than five. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:09.960 All the garden? 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.160 Oh that's true, thank you. Okay, that's an off week. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:27.040 That's a rare week. Thanks be for real that she's 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:27.880 the one filling it in. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.800 Well he just paces, just pacing around. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.480 Did this inspire any controversy in your house? 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.320 Look? I saw it was funny because in my house 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.200 I wasn't there right, So the census actually made me 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.480 a bit sad because I'm a rule follower. Emma and 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.080 I had this argument yesterday. I was like, you have 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.560 to fill it in on Tuesday night, like it has 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.080 to be about where you are on Tuesday night, right, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.960 which I was not at home with my family. I 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.679 was alone in a cheap hotel room. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.640 The hotel do the sensors. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:05.040 So yes, the hotel handed everyone who checked in on 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.480 Tuesday a census, and so I sat in my room. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.280 And this is by the Bible. I promise, I'm getting 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.160 to your question. So yesterday I was saying to Am 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:13.960 I feel a bit sad about that, and she was like, well, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.639 why didn't you just do it on the weekend. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.720 I'm like, you can't do that. You have to do 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.840 it tonight, am I Right, Well, yeah, you you are right, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.919 because things could have changed between the weekend and Tuesday. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.520 I have a very, very like similar routine every single week. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.160 I knew I was going to be home on Tuesday, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.680 so I did my senses on the weekend in case 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.679 I was out on Tuesday and I didn't want to 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.760 come home and do the census. It doesn't matter anyway, Holly, 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.480 because your senses is technically wrong because you're actually single 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.360 according to this true, but that's another whole thing. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.560 It was wouldn't let me tick, de facto, It would 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.040 only let me tick, never married. 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:53.280 Was on the same page. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.640 Putting me in the end and never married did have 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:55.960 a hint of judgment about it. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.000 Today it's never married loser. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.960 Which character. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.560 But back to your household, the housework questions, Amelia, which 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.360 is what we're here to discuss. I think I know 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.360 how many tense arguments that will have that will have 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.839 kicked off. But today I messaged Brent and I said, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.640 what did you tick? And he said he ticked five hours? 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.719 And I was like, you do way more than that. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.719 I must be with the only man in the. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.440 World who underestimates what he does. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.760 I'm like, you cook all the meals, you run around 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.120 after those children. You're driving them here and doing them there, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.320 and cleaning up their mess and changing them Like. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.320 Brent will also probably tell you exactly how tall he is. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.680 True, so, but I can see this stirring up shit. Absolutely. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.280 He was probably also the only man in the household 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:46.479 who was actually doing the sensors instead of just standing. 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.560 Five to fourteen five to fourteen. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.240 I was like, you're doing the labor right now. US 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:57.960 Congresswoman Alexandria Occasio Cortez, also known as AOC, has publicly 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.479 revealed on social media that she's in the pro of 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.080 phrasing her eggs, and she's also vlogging her journey and 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.400 posting clips about it. Here's a little snippet. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.880 Hello, everyone, welcome to my cooking show today. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.160 Were making eggs. 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:26.159 Pen the qcaps that occurs. So today is my first ultrasound. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.600 I don't want to say it's my first ultrasound overall. Basically, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.160 my first first ultrasound was my fertility check where they 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.440 counted the number of follicles that I had. Now, when 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.480 you go in to get your fertility. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.520 Checked, they do two things. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.119 They give you an ultrasound where they count the number 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.200 of follicles that you have, and then they do blood 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.320 work to test something known as your AMH level. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.360 So in the video, she's showing herself like taking injections. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.560 She's talking about the costing, and she's also referring to 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:04.120 the broken US medical system. Later in an interview, she 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.240 said that she she's doing this because she wanted to 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.599 normalize conversations about fertility care, especially in the political environment 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.359 right now. So she's also been doing these things like 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.720 ask Me Anything. So she's doing a lot of content 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.440 on this right She's doing these series on her Instagram stories, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.200 Ask me any things about the fertility freezing. And recently 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:28.120 someone asked, overall are people behaving? And I want to 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.880 play her response for you. This is what she said. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:36.839 Overall, people have been tremendously positive and supportive, and I've 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:42.040 received messages from women, you know, girls as young as 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:48.360 fifteen and women in their late seventies talking about how 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.279 wonderful it's been to see. Of course, there are some 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.000 people who are going to say their thing. There was 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.400 one today that was harping about how old I am 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:58.240 and whatever. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.120 And I find it very interesting because a. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:08.600 Lot of these people who pressure women into having kids 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.040 at a young age or trying to create hysteria around 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.000 being too old, et cetera. What they're trying to do 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.560 is rush you into having a relationship with a loser. 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:25.720 A AOC. So if you look at her Instagram right now, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.800 all like her content that she's making out all of 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.040 these blogs about the processes of freezing at eggs. Alongside 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.840 that she's answering all of these questions, she's going through procedures, 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.840 she's talking about costing, and she also says that she's 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.960 doing this even though she understands there is a political 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.880 risk to doing it. Yeah, because she actually hasn't ruled 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:44.679 out running for president either. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.680 That's what I want to hear from you on Amelia right, 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.080 because we're gearing up for. 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:51.160 Who's it going to be? 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.600 The Democratic candidate? Who's it going to be? And her 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:58.160 name is always in the hat? Yeah, and she's thirty six. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.000 I think, so she's finally old in because she was 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.000 only twenty nine when she got elected and she be Kate. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.480 She was a big deal because she was well, another 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.400 fucking woman to be talking about that. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.000 She's quite young, because I hear you have to be 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:11.480 seventy to run for president. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.240 Is it interesting that she's decided to do this from 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:17.080 a political person? 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.880 So interesting? I think her superpower is that she is 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:25.280 a politician who is also a normal person. She was 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.400 a bartender when she ran for the House of Representatives. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.400 She represents a very smaller liberal seat in New York City, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.680 and she has kept her humanity even as she has 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:43.400 now been in Congress for years, seven years. I remember 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.000 early on she was talking on Instagram about her skincare 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.360 routine back when, back at the start of COVID, when 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.200 everyone was obsessed with skin care. She hopped on to 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.120 answer some questions she'd gotten about her skincare routine. I 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.000 love that, which I love because look, she's got to 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.480 get up there in front of the public eye every 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.520 single day and talk, and women are scrutinized for their 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.480 appearance much more than men. And she was honest about 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.480 what she did in order to feel confident in front 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.160 of the camera. And then later on she led the 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.600 charge for the regulations around sunscreen in the US to 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.240 be changed because basically, long story short, the US looks 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.160 at Australia with envy at all of our wonderful sunscreens 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.560 and they wanted more sunscreens like Australia's, but they hadn't 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.880 updated their regulations. That's a topic that's very important to 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.320 young women. And she got on social and said, here's 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.480 why we need to change our sunscreen regulations. And now 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.679 she's taking us on the journey as a thirty six 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.800 year old woman freezing her eggs, which I think is 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.520 it is still quite a brave thing to do. I 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.439 looked into freezing my eggs when I was a few 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.079 years younger than her, many years ago now at this point, 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.920 and it felt really like a secret that I didn't 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.679 want to tell people. About I remember when I went 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.439 to the appointment to see a doctor and I only 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.080 told very few people in my social circle about it. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.240 There was a sense of, like, it's come to this 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.360 about the whole thing. But she's so matter of fact 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.520 about it. She's so I'm getting on with it. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.200 What I love about that. The beauty example that you 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.800 gave as well is that these are areas that a 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.160 previous generation of female politicians, and there weren't very many 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.280 of them, let's be honest, would never because you had 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.480 to be like, I'm just like a man. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.080 Hillary Clinton would literally never tell you about her skin 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:29.520 carre it. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.880 But like I'm like a man, yeap, I just look 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:33.400 like this. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.480 I don't want you to think about the fact that 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.880 I but that my fertility is a thing. I don't 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.680 want you to think about the fact that I have 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.920 to spend longer than you do getting ready every morning. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.840 That if I'm talking about lipstick, that makes me frivolous 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.160 and therefore you'll dismiss me. If I'm talking about fertility, 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.120 it means, oh my god, she might have a baby. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.840 That means she couldn't possibly be president. Those were kind 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:02.439 of really accepted rules for females stepping into big public arenas. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.880 And I bet that's why there was a little bit 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.000 of me when I saw this, because it's only this 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.360 week and it's got her a lot of attention, which 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.320 she's a very smart communicator. To your point, Amelia, we've 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.680 been talking about this a lot about politicians who understand 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.320 how to use social media. She is absolutely one of 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:24.239 those people. A little bit of my programming kind of went, oh, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.360 but you're going to give people a stick to beat 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.960 you with metaphorically obviously, like in terms of well, you 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.559 can't be president at the timing of this might all 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.160 be you know what I mean, Like this makes you 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.840 start going that way in the same way that I 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.560 think I've probably internalized a lot of stuff about not 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.640 talking too much about hormones, not talking too much about 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.400 what mood swings to do with. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.079 Your what you always say to. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.520 Me, em I'm in my face, and I'm always like, sure, 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.040 she's you don't want the men to think you can't. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:58.400 And that's just so interesting that my programming makes me 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.280 kind of go, oh, I worry a bit about this, 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.559 whereas her view is like. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.839 That's so super I don't have to pretend that I'm 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.880 a dude. Yeah, I also thought the same when I 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.720 first saw these videos. I was like, I feel like 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.400 this could be harmful for her campaign. But then the 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.319 other side of me is like, isn't that what we 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.200 want from our politicians, Like we're always so angry that 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.480 our politicians don't understand us because arre in this completely 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.760 different bracket. But here she is actually doing what so 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.439 many women are so sick about, like explaining about how 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.000 the US medical system is broken, and so many women 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.320 are saying that, and now she's actually going through the 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.560 process and outlining everything and doing that for women. Like 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.120 I'm like, this is exactly what we wanted our politicians 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.559 to be doing, to be able to relate to the 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.000 same things that we're doing as well. 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.760 That's a great point. It also dovetails. It happens to 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.880 dovetail with her political perspective, which is she is on 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.560 the far left, the left to the far left of 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.839 the US Democratic Party, which isn't especially far left by 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.439 our standards, but which is standards, And one tenet of 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.319 that part of the party is that they want public 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.920 health care for everyone, which is obviously not something that 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.000 exists in the US. So for her, to be freezing 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.679 her eggs talking about how hard it is to navigate 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.000 a healthcare system that is not freely accessible to everyone. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.960 It happens to dovetail with her political. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.760 Pup Anasinek would say, it doesn't happen to dovetail with 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:28.040 her political platform. It's a very useful you know, we're 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.440 living in an attention economy, right, it's a very useful 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.559 spotlight to shine on that. The other thing that I 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.040 think is interesting about this is there has also been 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.720 a bit of pearl clutching about making egg freezing so 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.480 such a mainstream idea in terms of that that kind 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.640 of fertility treatment doesn't guarantee any success all of these things, 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.679 and some people are very cynical that it just makes 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:58.400 a lot of money for certain fertility organizations, fertility based organizations, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.480 well big fi yeah, what we might call big farma, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.040 And so is that Do you think there's a risk 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:07.880 there too. Do you think that some people are going 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.760 to be a bit mad with her about this from 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.679 that perspective or do you think that's done? 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.640 I think it's so done. Exactly what she says, like, 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.000 she's not saying that she wants to have a baby 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:19.960 right now, she just says that she wants to have 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.880 that She's by freezing her egg She's saying she basically 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.600 just wants to have that option if she wants to 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:25.040 have kids. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:26.920 Is she opening a door for people to ask lots 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.440 of questions about her private life? Because what I noticed 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:34.080 was she was engaged and her fiance was quite like 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.160 part of her campaigning and stuff, and one of the 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.000 FoST Again, I'm admitting a lot of things I'm not 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.440 proud of right now. One of the first things I 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:41.760 thought when I saw this is I was like, Oh, 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.520 I wonder if she's still with that guy. She's also 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.160 accepting that people are going to talk about her private life, 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:48.440 right and that so what. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.360 Well, I think she's getting ahead of it now by 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.560 doing they ask me any things, and by having it 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.320 on her own own social she's putting it out there 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.560 without actually having to answer a questions she doesn't want to, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.160 basically saying that the reason people get so mad about 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.840 women having children later in life, it's because they essentially 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.120 want you to have kids with a loser. I love 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:11.760 that life if we don't want to have kids with 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.960 a loser. So if we freeze our eggs, now we 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.920 could eventually have children on our own terms with whoever 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:17.440 we want. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:21.360 There was actually Claudia Golden, who is this Nobel Prize 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.240 winning economist, has recently published a paper that's really changing 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.520 the conversation on this. She says that rather than put 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.480 all the blame for the fertility crisis on women, men 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.720 need to be better so that women want to have 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.320 children with them. So that conversation is shifting, and as usual, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.520 AOC is riding the wave and is ahead of the 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:41.960 pack in talking about it. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.240 When I interviewed Desindra Adun, we talked about that earlier 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:46.720 this year. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:48.160 She and her memoir. 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.480 She talked about how she found out she was pregnant 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.680 with the same time she found out she was going 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.120 to be Prime minister, and that those two things seemed 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.240 like an enormous obvis were enormous life changing moments that 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.840 were colliding. And there's an immediate argument of like, well, 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.160 oh you can't, you can't do that, You can't do 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:10.360 those two things at once. 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.680 But she, I mean, I known New Zealand and America 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.080 a very different places. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:20.280 But she proved that you can't very very with very 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.640 different conversations about these things in different competing forces, the 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.400 kind of working at it, but. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.720 She proved that you absolutely can. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.280 And whenever I think about that, I think that it's 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.680 it was often seen as like, oh, you know, almost 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.920 like a sad thing, but actually no man had ever 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.440 achieved what she achieved. It makes her, in my mind, 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.840 like a very impressive person that you could do those 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:43.600 two things at once. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.320 Do you think if just Cinda r Dern did what 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.120 AOC was doing and just said that before she was 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.360 running for prime minister she was on a journey to 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:57.200 appreciate actually was she was actually doing it? No, she didn't. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:58.920 If she announced it, do you think that would have 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:00.440 impacted her? 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.760 It's really interesting because she famously was put on the 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.160 spot on a TV show about before she became having 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.800 a about whether or not she was planning to have kids, 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.520 and she was really furious about the question, and she 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.320 was sort of not furious, but she made a point 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.600 about that question being one that you wouldn't aim at 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.760 a man. And that's the interesting truth is absolutely true, 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.600 is that people don't ask men those questions, but also 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.280 a bit of a willful like it is different because 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:30.720 the men aren't going to be pregnant. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.520 I just hope that Barnaby Joyce is finding juggling true 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.440 a young child and a political career. I hope he's 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:39.240 doing okay and. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.240 A dog to talk allegedly. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.960 In a moment the celebrity profile, which we just can't 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.199 agree on. I've got to be honest with you. So 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.400 we have a slack channel at work where we post 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.439 links of things that we might want to talk about 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.800 on the show in and you're always you post some 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.919 really good links in there. But you posted on on 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:02.520 Monday that I just thought, I'm not going to read that, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:04.960 and I moved on with my day. 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.240 I think next time you should literally comment not going 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:08.880 to read. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.200 Just the emoji of the cross. It was a profile 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.520 of Brad Pitt in the men's magazine Esquiet. Now, I'm 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.800 sure a lot of listeners now are also thinking the 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.760 exact same thing that I thought, which is, nope, not 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.479 interested in moving on with my life. But then, as usual, 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.239 am You've got your finger on the pulse, because then 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.160 I kept hearing people talking about that profile, and even 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.359 though I'm not at all interested in Brad Pitt and 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.440 I am perhaps even repelled by him. Sorry, Holly, Once 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:41.000 I read it, I actually couldn't stop thinking about it. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.000 I joined the crowd of people thinking and talking about 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.000 this profile. It's called a Monday with Brad Pitt. And 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.720 what's interesting about it is that it takes you on 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.640 a bit of a journey, because at first you think 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.800 it's just going to be another puff piece, another step 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.000 in his image rehabilitation tour, because Angie and the kids 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.280 don't talk to him anymore. It begins the sixty two 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.280 year old has lived a singular life. He resides in 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.920 the top one percent of the top one percent of 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:11.119 all movie stars, not only today but ever, as measured 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.320 by any metric you like, including intrigue. What does he 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.000 have to say about it all? And you just read 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:18.560 that and you think, I don't care what he has 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:19.360 to say about it all? 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:20.360 But you do care. 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.240 I do care. And then you start reading and then 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.000 you realize that this piece is the takedown that we've 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.960 all been waiting for. Well, I think it's the takedown 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:31.840 of Brad Pitt that we've all been waiting for. Holly 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.440 is sitting here with her head in her hand, shaking 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:34.920 her head. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.680 I don't think it is. Oh, what made you think 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:38.840 it was? So? 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.280 The big Newsworthy thing to come out of it is 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.240 that he says that after seven years of being sober, 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:45.920 he is now back on the wagon. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:46.880 It's not good. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.920 Which is not good That happened to commincide with a 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.080 rather shocking revelation I think in page six this week 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:58.159 that at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's wedding he was 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.520 seen drinking. So it does you're true. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.159 The reason that that is shocking, just for context, is 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.520