WEBVTT - INBOX: My Colleague Gets Paid More To Do The Same Job!

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a Mum with mea podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Biz in Box.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm m Vernon.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a writer and podcaster here at Mama Mia, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm as passionate about my career as i am about

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<v Speaker 2>logging off at four pm.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Michelle Vatazi and I may run my own company,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm all about the clocking off at four pm.

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<v Speaker 3>To be honest, if you're getting it done, then leave

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<v Speaker 3>whenever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good to know, because I mean, you are sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here with me instead of running your own.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming exactly, I actually need to get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll keep it quick, I'll keep it short and sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>So every week we answer your burning career questions in

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<v Speaker 2>like the simplest way possible. We're not going to sugarcoat it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to give you straight answers that you need.

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<v Speaker 3>And this week, I have a controversial opinion about something

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<v Speaker 3>that's trending on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I'm so excited, so am.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you spend a lot lot of time dooms

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<v Speaker 3>calling on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>I do I get a lot of breakup advice videos.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to hop over to your algorithm because mine

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<v Speaker 3>is filled with work dilemmas.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to hop over your algorithm.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually shouldn't be on yours, so I'm engaged.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I think yours would just be get more sad.

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<v Speaker 4>I think yours would just be more entertaining than mine

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted as well as that. I need to skip

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<v Speaker 4>out of the educational feed, is what I'm saying. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to show you this video and I want

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<v Speaker 4>to get your thoughts on it.

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<v Speaker 5>The person that was hired is like my equal in

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<v Speaker 5>my department, so we like co lead a department. He's

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<v Speaker 5>getting paid twenty five thousand dollars more than me. Twenty

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<v Speaker 5>five thousand dollars more than me. To be clear, we're

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<v Speaker 5>both directors. We just lead two different branches of the department.

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<v Speaker 5>We have the same level of experience, we have the

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<v Speaker 5>same job like role clarity, like we're literally equal. We

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<v Speaker 5>have one person who we report to, and she's getting

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<v Speaker 5>paid twenty five thousand dollars more than me. Before her,

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<v Speaker 5>her predecessor her left last August. She resigned from the

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<v Speaker 5>role who were making the exact same salary. So when

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<v Speaker 5>they rehired this person, he increased the salary to be

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<v Speaker 5>more competitive because they were trying to fill it real

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<v Speaker 5>quickly without even thinking about renegotiating the salary with me.

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<v Speaker 5>So now we're both doing equal amounts of work, but

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<v Speaker 5>she's getting paid twenty five thousand dollars more than me. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>when I found this out, I went to our direct supervisor,

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<v Speaker 5>who's also fairly new, and I was like, Hey, there's

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<v Speaker 5>an equity here. What's the plan, Like, are we changing

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<v Speaker 5>the organizational structure so that like we're not equally here,

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<v Speaker 5>or are we equalizing our salary? What's the plan? And

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<v Speaker 5>he's like, I do see you guys as equals. You

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<v Speaker 5>play the same roles, you're two heads of the same department.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm not sure we're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>get you there because twenty five k is a really

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<v Speaker 5>big increase. I don't even know how process that. You're

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<v Speaker 5>telling me. You want us to work at the same level,

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<v Speaker 5>produce the same level of financial results, and I'm getting

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<v Speaker 5>paid twenty five k less.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what do you think I feel for this woman?

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in the exact same position where I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing the exact same job as someone like, we had

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same title, we were doing the same amount

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<v Speaker 2>of work and she was getting paid more than me.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason that pissed me off was because, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know I can say this because I'm confident in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was better at the job than she was,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was one of those situations where people knew

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<v Speaker 2>I was also better, so they were giving me more

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<v Speaker 2>work to do, and still I never was able to

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<v Speaker 2>match her pay. So I feel like it is a

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<v Speaker 2>fair thing to call out, Like if you're doing the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same job as someone and you're both doing the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same things, but you just have to be confident

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<v Speaker 2>that your work ethic is the same level as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think what you mentioned, like, I knew I

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<v Speaker 3>was better than her. Yeah, how did you know you

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<v Speaker 3>were better than her?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I would always get all the new stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like the company didn't really want her to

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<v Speaker 2>add more stuff to a plate. We had this exact

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<v Speaker 2>same plate.

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<v Speaker 1>The scope of your role was wider.

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<v Speaker 2>I started getting more things, and I started working with

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<v Speaker 2>different teams, and I'd be the one the point person

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<v Speaker 2>for our team where people would answer questions, and if someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Was sick, I'd have to take over that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like a lot of extra stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>I was being asked to do that should have actually

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<v Speaker 2>propelled me higher and being able to get a pay rise,

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<v Speaker 2>but because my job description was so different to what

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually doing, it was really hard to fight

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<v Speaker 2>for that, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ask for a pay rise? Yes? And how

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<v Speaker 1>do you go about it? I didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of in a bit probably hot headed, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, I was quite young as well, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty young, Yeah, And I went in feeling just

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<v Speaker 2>very upset and annoyed, and a lot of emotion came

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<v Speaker 2>out in that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just started crying.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember just crying and being so sad. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was just one of those situations where I think I

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<v Speaker 2>got like a tiny pay increase, not as much as

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<v Speaker 2>she was getting paid, and that pay increase just made

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<v Speaker 2>me feel even.

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<v Speaker 3>Worse, probably because of the circumstances and how it came about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you make a lot of really valid points

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<v Speaker 3>that are all one hundred percent worth considering in this situation.

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<v Speaker 3>So your point about being a bit hot headed and emotional,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's kind of the first thing I noticed

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<v Speaker 3>with this individual, Like when you hear someone is paid

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<v Speaker 3>considerably more than you and you view yourselves as being

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<v Speaker 3>at the same level. That can really hurt, and it

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<v Speaker 3>does feel a bit personal, and it's then very hard

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<v Speaker 3>to go into a pay rise conversation and not let

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<v Speaker 3>those emotions take over. Easier said than done, But like,

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<v Speaker 3>the only way you're going to pull off the pay

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<v Speaker 3>rise is if you can park the emotion and try

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<v Speaker 3>to get in the mind of your employer. That women

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<v Speaker 3>said they're both directors and there's a twenty five thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars pay discrepancy. That's a pretty standard salary band top

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<v Speaker 3>and end if you're at a director level, So like

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<v Speaker 3>she might actually be at the bottom of the director

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<v Speaker 3>band and this other person might be at the top

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<v Speaker 3>of the band. Like to have a difference in salary

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty five grand a director lene, I feel is

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<v Speaker 3>actually pretty standard.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other person had just come into the business.

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<v Speaker 2>So she would have also come in with different experience,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe like more experience or a newer, fresher take for she.

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<v Speaker 3>She also could have used her existing salary to negotiate

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<v Speaker 3>a higher one to come in on. Like, it's much

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<v Speaker 3>easier to get bigger salaries when you change companies than

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<v Speaker 3>working your way up in the same company, which does suck,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's kind of the easiest way to get a

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<v Speaker 3>big pay rise.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just felt like.

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<v Speaker 3>In that TikTok, all I really heard her focusing on

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<v Speaker 3>was that she'd found out someone in the same role

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<v Speaker 3>as her was paid more, and that because she viewed

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<v Speaker 3>those roles as being the same, the salary should be

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<v Speaker 3>the same.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't once talk.

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<v Speaker 3>About results or her output, like what she drives for

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<v Speaker 3>the business. She just spoke about like the job description,

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<v Speaker 3>like what's on paper and how many people they manage.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you're going to try and advocate for

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<v Speaker 3>a pay rise after finding out someone else's paid more

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<v Speaker 3>than you, it's actually a good thing to know that

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<v Speaker 3>the company does have that money to pay you, but

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<v Speaker 3>they're not just going to give it to you just

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<v Speaker 3>because someone else walked in and got more. You need

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<v Speaker 3>to show why you were also worth the same amount.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would be having a conversation. Can you tell

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<v Speaker 3>me how output is different, like what does she generate

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<v Speaker 3>for the company that is different to what I generate

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<v Speaker 3>and how can I get there?

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up next, Michelle, I feel like we need to

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<v Speaker 2>go back and perv into your DMS So, Mish, I

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<v Speaker 2>was aggressively stalking your Instagram and you posted a question

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<v Speaker 2>that I've been dying to ask you about because I

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<v Speaker 2>need to know these answers. You asked your followers what

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<v Speaker 2>companies have offered them instead of money? Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>need to know what answers you got.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, these responses were fascinating but also so good for

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<v Speaker 3>us to put on blast because when you are in

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<v Speaker 3>a performance review conversation or you're asking for a pay

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<v Speaker 3>rise or whatever it is, you also can ask for

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<v Speaker 3>non financial benefits. So it's so snoopy to see what

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<v Speaker 3>people get. Okay, some tips I'm going to read out some.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of them were visa related, so like handling

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<v Speaker 3>my wife's green card moved to the US. They paid

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<v Speaker 3>for twelve months rent for me, Like what, that's wild?

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of like lawyer fees for visas, daycare, and

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<v Speaker 3>a gym unlimited paid time off.

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<v Speaker 2>Would these be like under the table kind of offerings

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<v Speaker 2>or will they all be like formal?

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of them would be formal. Okay, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this person said they pay for my therapy, paying

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<v Speaker 3>for my divorce and gave me five grand to get

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<v Speaker 3>my life going again.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they care? I need to write that down.

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<v Speaker 2>Paying for therapy, yes, so wild.

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<v Speaker 3>An exec education course at Harvard, and about thirty overseas

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<v Speaker 3>trips thirty. You need to ask for this one, sorry, Maya.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't get this one already, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>ask for this. Maybe I'll ask as well. I got

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<v Speaker 3>a beauty budget of three hundred dollars a month since

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<v Speaker 3>I had to film content for the brand Mea Friedman.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're listening, this is our formal notice. I'm giving details.

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<v Speaker 1>When my room burned down.

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<v Speaker 3>My boss rallied the team for donations and matched theirs.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of care and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of hard here, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And bringing it back to the last episode we did together,

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<v Speaker 2>that should be the same system for gifting, like everyone

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<v Speaker 2>put in money and then the CEO matches it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know what. It should be a GoFundMe and

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<v Speaker 1>it should just all be anonymous. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's getting a little bit spicy because as I'm scrolling,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm realizing there's a lot of cocaine.

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<v Speaker 1>Cocaine instead of giving them a pay rise, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a bit of partying.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it depends what fuels you like something I

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<v Speaker 3>like fun, fun not intended.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, stop, I've just seen botox. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good moon. That could be part of the beauty budget.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably not going to get You can add that

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<v Speaker 2>to the three hundred Okay, this is coming up a

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<v Speaker 2>lot egg freezing, IVF Wow, egg freezing and IVF fertility

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<v Speaker 2>services to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Value of one hundred grand.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh as one person's there's a lot of rent, visa, fertility,

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<v Speaker 3>nannies and trips.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's a couple that is cool. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this thinking, I don't get shit.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the benefit for like a company doing these

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<v Speaker 2>things rather than just giving people a bonus.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing. Cocaine is not going to pay

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<v Speaker 1>your rent. That's your true and neither really is a

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<v Speaker 1>beauty budget.

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<v Speaker 3>But it will help you know if you are spending

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<v Speaker 3>money on those things that makes it feel good. I

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<v Speaker 3>love the educational ones like courses, exec coaching, business reviews.

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<v Speaker 3>So actually mentioned a quote in one of our other

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<v Speaker 3>episodes which was that the best investment you can make

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<v Speaker 3>is in yourself. So I do think if you're able

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<v Speaker 3>to further your education or gain access to experiences that's

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<v Speaker 3>also going to help you command more of a salary

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<v Speaker 3>in your next role, or help you get a better

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<v Speaker 3>job wherever you.

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<v Speaker 1>Go next, or get the promotion.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do think the educational ones are good ones

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<v Speaker 3>to focus on educational and experiences like going overseas to

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<v Speaker 3>work on different projects. But then I do think everyone

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<v Speaker 3>is motivated by different things, Like I do like to

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<v Speaker 3>ask my team what actually motivates you, because some people

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<v Speaker 3>are more driven by money, other people are driven by travel,

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<v Speaker 3>other people are driven by wanting to look.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, parties, partying paths.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's also just good from a managerial perspective to

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<v Speaker 3>actually know who you're dealing with, because everyone's gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate different things, and some people might have been rolling

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<v Speaker 3>their eyes at certain things I just read out, but

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<v Speaker 3>that might actually really mean something to someone else. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just good to know that these sorts

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<v Speaker 3>of things might actually be on the table for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't explicitly ask for cocaine, I'll try, But I do

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<v Speaker 3>think when you're talking about what the company can kind

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<v Speaker 3>of do for you, it's good to explore education, travel,

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<v Speaker 3>let your manager know what you're motivated by and see

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<v Speaker 3>what comes back.

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<v Speaker 2>Just keep it legal yeah, hashtag college not cocaine. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for helping us clear the biz Inbox.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find a link to submit your questions in

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<v Speaker 2>our show notes. And if you missed it, Mish early

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<v Speaker 2>this week, you and so spoke about one of my

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<v Speaker 2>biggest work frustrations, getting people to actually listen to me

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<v Speaker 2>when I speak.

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<v Speaker 1>M It's going to change the way you email, so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Head back into your feed to check that one out.

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