1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:09,135 Speaker 1: You're listing to Amma mea podcast. 2 00:00:13,735 --> 00:00:17,855 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylorstrano. This is MMA MIA's twice daily news podcast, 3 00:00:17,975 --> 00:00:22,375 Speaker 2: The Quickie. The war in Gaza hasn't stopped, so why 4 00:00:22,415 --> 00:00:25,974 Speaker 2: has the world's attention. On October ten, twenty twenty five, 5 00:00:26,095 --> 00:00:29,375 Speaker 2: a ceasefire was supposed to end the Hamas Israel conflict, 6 00:00:29,775 --> 00:00:33,735 Speaker 2: but flashboard. Two months, it's still a shocking state of affairs. 7 00:00:34,214 --> 00:00:38,455 Speaker 2: The dettol in Gaza has now surpassed seventy thousand. Just 8 00:00:38,534 --> 00:00:42,134 Speaker 2: in the last twenty four hours, two Palestinian kids gathering 9 00:00:42,175 --> 00:00:45,894 Speaker 2: firewood for their father were killed by Israeli forces. Two 10 00:00:45,974 --> 00:00:49,735 Speaker 2: Palestinian journalists were also killed in an Israeli drone strike 11 00:00:49,815 --> 00:00:53,614 Speaker 2: in calm Unie. Garza's healthcare workers are still facing critical 12 00:00:53,654 --> 00:00:58,215 Speaker 2: shortages of medication and equipment, and protests erupting in Israel 13 00:00:58,335 --> 00:01:04,535 Speaker 2: after Prime Minister benjaminet Nahu formally asks for a presidential pardon. Plus, 14 00:01:04,695 --> 00:01:07,415 Speaker 2: we have to thank give this a crack. That's the 15 00:01:07,455 --> 00:01:10,895 Speaker 2: message from Communications Minister Annika Wells, with less than a 16 00:01:10,895 --> 00:01:14,495 Speaker 2: week to go, tell Australia's world first teen social media 17 00:01:14,575 --> 00:01:17,295 Speaker 2: ban before we get there. He's Cloi Murphy with the 18 00:01:17,375 --> 00:01:20,975 Speaker 2: latest from the QUICKI Newsroom for Thursday, December four. 19 00:01:21,135 --> 00:01:21,774 Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. 20 00:01:21,815 --> 00:01:24,855 Speaker 1: Brittany Higgins says she can breathe again after Bruce Lehman 21 00:01:24,935 --> 00:01:27,695 Speaker 1: lost his appeal against a defamation decision that found he 22 00:01:27,775 --> 00:01:31,215 Speaker 1: raped her. The disgraced former Liberal staffer had sued Network 23 00:01:31,295 --> 00:01:35,055 Speaker 1: ten and journalist Lisa Wilkinson for defamation over an interview 24 00:01:35,055 --> 00:01:37,655 Speaker 1: with Britney Higgins on The Project in twenty twenty one, 25 00:01:37,935 --> 00:01:40,575 Speaker 1: in which she claimed she'd been raped, just as Michael 26 00:01:40,655 --> 00:01:43,415 Speaker 1: Lee found in April twenty twenty four that Lehman had, 27 00:01:43,495 --> 00:01:46,695 Speaker 1: on the balance of probabilities, raped Miss Higgins in Parliament 28 00:01:46,775 --> 00:01:49,935 Speaker 1: House in twenty nineteen after a night out. Miss Higgins 29 00:01:49,975 --> 00:01:52,095 Speaker 1: expressed her relief at the decision in a statement on 30 00:01:52,135 --> 00:01:55,615 Speaker 1: social media, saying finally it feels like I can breathe again. 31 00:01:55,935 --> 00:01:57,775 Speaker 1: Going on to say while on the face of it, 32 00:01:57,895 --> 00:02:01,175 Speaker 1: this was a defamation case against a media outlet, in 33 00:02:01,215 --> 00:02:04,335 Speaker 1: reality this was once again a rape trial, she said, 34 00:02:04,375 --> 00:02:07,015 Speaker 1: I cannot begin to tell you how retraumatizing it is 35 00:02:07,055 --> 00:02:10,015 Speaker 1: to have your rapist weaponize a legal system against you 36 00:02:10,135 --> 00:02:13,175 Speaker 1: for daring to speak out. She explained that this isn't 37 00:02:13,255 --> 00:02:15,935 Speaker 1: uncommon and that it is a legal tactic that's being 38 00:02:15,975 --> 00:02:19,215 Speaker 1: increasingly used around the world by perpetrators in a bid 39 00:02:19,215 --> 00:02:22,375 Speaker 1: to sue victim survivors into silence as a direct response 40 00:02:22,415 --> 00:02:25,575 Speaker 1: to the Me too movement. Lhmann has always denied his 41 00:02:25,655 --> 00:02:28,775 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted miss Higgins, and a criminal case against him 42 00:02:28,775 --> 00:02:31,975 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two was abandoned without any findings due 43 00:02:31,975 --> 00:02:36,375 Speaker 1: to DURA misconduct. With META set to begin deactivating accounts 44 00:02:36,375 --> 00:02:39,055 Speaker 1: held by Australians under the age of sixteen from today, 45 00:02:39,335 --> 00:02:42,895 Speaker 1: the telecommunications industry Onwardsmen says they're set for a wave 46 00:02:42,935 --> 00:02:46,575 Speaker 1: of complaints they have no power to resolve. META recently 47 00:02:46,655 --> 00:02:48,735 Speaker 1: sent out a warning to account holders who are set 48 00:02:48,775 --> 00:02:51,575 Speaker 1: to be hit by the governments under sixteen social media ban, 49 00:02:51,975 --> 00:02:54,655 Speaker 1: telling them they were to download or delete any information 50 00:02:54,735 --> 00:02:58,014 Speaker 1: on their Instagram, Facebook or Threat accounts as they begin 51 00:02:58,095 --> 00:03:01,735 Speaker 1: the process of deactivating around five hundred thousand accounts a 52 00:03:01,775 --> 00:03:04,375 Speaker 1: week before the ban is due on December tenth. But 53 00:03:04,455 --> 00:03:07,495 Speaker 1: while the Ombudsman s as they're expecting potentially hundreds of 54 00:03:07,575 --> 00:03:11,735 Speaker 1: complaints after this process begins, the organization is only empowered 55 00:03:11,775 --> 00:03:14,975 Speaker 1: to resolve complaints about phone and internet carriers and has 56 00:03:15,055 --> 00:03:18,055 Speaker 1: already been forced to turn away consumers and business owners 57 00:03:18,215 --> 00:03:20,895 Speaker 1: who've been blocked or banned from accessing their own accounts 58 00:03:20,975 --> 00:03:24,454 Speaker 1: due to hacking attempts. Ombardsman Cynthia Gibet is calling for 59 00:03:24,495 --> 00:03:27,735 Speaker 1: the federal government to expand the organization's remit to deal 60 00:03:27,775 --> 00:03:30,775 Speaker 1: with these complaints to ensure people have appeal rights when 61 00:03:30,815 --> 00:03:35,095 Speaker 1: digital platforms get things wrong. The Brisbane Olympic Vision has 62 00:03:35,135 --> 00:03:37,695 Speaker 1: been revealed, and it contains a whole lot of bees. 63 00:03:38,015 --> 00:03:42,735 Speaker 1: The catchphrase Believe Belong Become Brisbane twenty thirty two was 64 00:03:42,775 --> 00:03:45,415 Speaker 1: revealed as the official game's vision for the host city 65 00:03:45,695 --> 00:03:49,535 Speaker 1: after a community consultation process engaging over six thousand people. 66 00:03:49,935 --> 00:03:53,415 Speaker 1: The vision, which Brisbane twenty thirty two boss Andrew Liveris insists, 67 00:03:53,415 --> 00:03:56,935 Speaker 1: differs from a slogan, paints an optimistic and inclusive portrait 68 00:03:56,975 --> 00:03:59,535 Speaker 1: of a city that games organizers say is poised to 69 00:03:59,535 --> 00:04:03,735 Speaker 1: meet its international potential. Miss Delivers said the consultation process 70 00:04:03,735 --> 00:04:05,455 Speaker 1: to come up with a vision was not paid for 71 00:04:05,735 --> 00:04:09,415 Speaker 1: by taxpayers, saying the Olympic Games Organizing Committee is completely 72 00:04:09,495 --> 00:04:14,095 Speaker 1: privately funded. Singer Jessejy has explained the moment she broke 73 00:04:14,215 --> 00:04:17,734 Speaker 1: royal protocol and hugged the Princess of Wales. The royal 74 00:04:17,775 --> 00:04:19,974 Speaker 1: family were meeting with the stars of the Royal Variety 75 00:04:19,974 --> 00:04:23,534 Speaker 1: performance on November nineteen, where photographers caught the moment the 76 00:04:23,575 --> 00:04:26,855 Speaker 1: singer and the princess embraced jesse Jay, saying that in 77 00:04:26,895 --> 00:04:29,935 Speaker 1: the moment, despite being briefed not to, she looked at 78 00:04:29,975 --> 00:04:32,135 Speaker 1: her and saw a mum that has also gone through 79 00:04:32,135 --> 00:04:34,975 Speaker 1: cancer publicly, and she just wanted to give her a hug. 80 00:04:35,215 --> 00:04:38,174 Speaker 1: The princess spent much of twenty twenty four undergoing treatment. 81 00:04:38,495 --> 00:04:41,135 Speaker 1: The Variety of performance was her first red carpet outing 82 00:04:41,215 --> 00:04:44,575 Speaker 1: since the diagnosis, scaling back much of her royal duties 83 00:04:44,615 --> 00:04:47,575 Speaker 1: to help her through her health issues. Jessej told her 84 00:04:47,575 --> 00:04:50,135 Speaker 1: fans in June that she'd been diagnosed with breast cancer 85 00:04:50,415 --> 00:04:52,695 Speaker 1: and said that in that moment she told Catherine that 86 00:04:52,735 --> 00:04:55,534 Speaker 1: she'd been inspiring and that she understood the day she'd 87 00:04:55,575 --> 00:04:57,654 Speaker 1: been through. She wanted to give her a hug. Mum 88 00:04:57,735 --> 00:04:59,135 Speaker 1: to mum, Human to human. 89 00:04:59,655 --> 00:05:02,975 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next. The latest news from Gaza we can't 90 00:05:03,015 --> 00:05:15,295 Speaker 2: look away from. More than two years since the war 91 00:05:15,335 --> 00:05:19,415 Speaker 2: between Israel and Hamas began, the human casting Gaza continues 92 00:05:19,455 --> 00:05:24,255 Speaker 2: to climb. Gaza's Health Ministry says Over seventy thousand Palestinians 93 00:05:24,295 --> 00:05:28,415 Speaker 2: have been killed since Israel's campaign began, with hundreds more 94 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:31,535 Speaker 2: added to the toll after the current seasfire came into 95 00:05:31,615 --> 00:05:35,615 Speaker 2: effect on October ten this year. Israel says it strikes 96 00:05:35,655 --> 00:05:38,575 Speaker 2: since the truce began, a targeting Hermas fighters who are 97 00:05:38,615 --> 00:05:42,015 Speaker 2: breaching the ceasefire. Both sites have accused the other of 98 00:05:42,095 --> 00:05:45,695 Speaker 2: violating the agreement. We know the current seasfire is part 99 00:05:45,695 --> 00:05:48,615 Speaker 2: of a broader US bag peace plan to end active 100 00:05:48,655 --> 00:05:52,615 Speaker 2: fighting and start rebuilding. Last month, the UN Security Council 101 00:05:52,775 --> 00:05:56,255 Speaker 2: formally endorsed what's being called the Comprehensive plan to end 102 00:05:56,295 --> 00:06:00,655 Speaker 2: the Gaza conflict, including the creation of a temporary International 103 00:06:00,695 --> 00:06:04,854 Speaker 2: Stabilization Force aka a bunch of nations coming together to 104 00:06:04,975 --> 00:06:08,375 Speaker 2: d military rise the zone, disarmed Hamas, and usher in 105 00:06:08,415 --> 00:06:13,295 Speaker 2: a Palestinian authority without the militants. But even then, the 106 00:06:13,415 --> 00:06:17,015 Speaker 2: very makeup of that stabilization force is drawing controversy, with 107 00:06:17,135 --> 00:06:20,175 Speaker 2: some countries wanting to join the fold and being met 108 00:06:20,215 --> 00:06:24,375 Speaker 2: with concern. Meantime, within Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netna, who 109 00:06:24,375 --> 00:06:28,175 Speaker 2: has formally asked Israel's President Isaac Herzog for a pardon 110 00:06:28,295 --> 00:06:32,214 Speaker 2: in his long running corruption trial, arguing the cases hampering 111 00:06:32,255 --> 00:06:35,935 Speaker 2: his ability to govern. Nenna, who is currently on trial 112 00:06:36,055 --> 00:06:40,015 Speaker 2: facing charges of bribery, fraud, and breach of trust involving 113 00:06:40,055 --> 00:06:43,974 Speaker 2: gifts and favors for media and business figures, allegations he 114 00:06:44,095 --> 00:06:48,535 Speaker 2: strongly denies. The President's office has described the pardon request 115 00:06:48,615 --> 00:06:52,695 Speaker 2: as extraordinary and says it'll be reviewed by the Justice 116 00:06:52,695 --> 00:06:56,534 Speaker 2: Ministry before Herzog makes a decision to give us the latest. 117 00:06:56,615 --> 00:07:00,255 Speaker 2: We are joined by international relations expert doctor Jessica Genauer. 118 00:07:00,735 --> 00:07:03,455 Speaker 2: Jess where are we at with this piece? Still? We 119 00:07:03,615 --> 00:07:07,495 Speaker 2: know that there's a ceasefire in place and it's holding somewhat. 120 00:07:07,695 --> 00:07:09,695 Speaker 2: Are we still in phase one? 121 00:07:10,015 --> 00:07:14,455 Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. So we are still in the first phase, 122 00:07:14,535 --> 00:07:18,575 Speaker 4: which means that there is a ceasefire in place between 123 00:07:18,775 --> 00:07:22,055 Speaker 4: Hamas and Israel. It's a bit of a fragile ceasefire. 124 00:07:22,295 --> 00:07:25,375 Speaker 4: There've been quite a lot of violations of the seafire 125 00:07:25,455 --> 00:07:31,535 Speaker 4: on both sides. Israel has withdrawn militarily, but only up 126 00:07:31,575 --> 00:07:35,095 Speaker 4: to a certain line in the Gaza Strip. So Israel 127 00:07:35,215 --> 00:07:39,615 Speaker 4: essentially now is in control militarily of a kind of 128 00:07:39,615 --> 00:07:42,295 Speaker 4: a buffer zone in the Gaza Strip, which is about 129 00:07:43,055 --> 00:07:47,095 Speaker 4: forty seven percent approximately, so about half of what was 130 00:07:47,095 --> 00:07:49,495 Speaker 4: sort of the original territory of the Gaza Strip but 131 00:07:49,615 --> 00:07:52,295 Speaker 4: has kind of withdrawn to that initial line which was 132 00:07:52,335 --> 00:07:56,215 Speaker 4: supposed to be part of that first phase. There's talk 133 00:07:56,415 --> 00:08:01,735 Speaker 4: of this international Stabilization Force which is supposed to come 134 00:08:01,775 --> 00:08:06,095 Speaker 4: into effect in terms of monitoring security in the Gaza Strip, 135 00:08:06,855 --> 00:08:12,095 Speaker 4: but nothing concrete or tangible has really happened yet in 136 00:08:12,175 --> 00:08:15,175 Speaker 4: terms of who would actually be involved in that international 137 00:08:15,215 --> 00:08:19,095 Speaker 4: stabilization force, what would it look like, and then also importantly, 138 00:08:19,775 --> 00:08:22,735 Speaker 4: what would governance of the Gaza Strip look like going forward, 139 00:08:22,775 --> 00:08:25,815 Speaker 4: and how would Palestinians themselves be involved. 140 00:08:26,895 --> 00:08:29,815 Speaker 2: There's also been a lot of talk about parts of 141 00:08:29,815 --> 00:08:34,135 Speaker 2: Gaza needing to be rebuilt. Now are they the parts 142 00:08:34,135 --> 00:08:37,855 Speaker 2: that Palestinians would be moving back into or are we 143 00:08:37,895 --> 00:08:39,135 Speaker 2: talking about something else there? 144 00:08:39,655 --> 00:08:42,695 Speaker 4: No, that's exactly right. So there is a lot of 145 00:08:42,735 --> 00:08:46,655 Speaker 4: reconstruction that needs to take place in the Gaza Strip, 146 00:08:46,775 --> 00:08:50,375 Speaker 4: and again there's a big lack of clarity around what 147 00:08:50,535 --> 00:08:52,495 Speaker 4: this is going to look like, and it really depends 148 00:08:52,535 --> 00:08:54,935 Speaker 4: on that peace plan going from the first phase, which 149 00:08:55,015 --> 00:09:00,655 Speaker 4: is this ceasefire phase, to a phase of more permanent 150 00:09:00,735 --> 00:09:03,775 Speaker 4: and sustainable peace. Now, if we do actually find that 151 00:09:03,855 --> 00:09:06,815 Speaker 4: this kind of de facto situation on the ground where 152 00:09:07,415 --> 00:09:12,175 Speaker 4: Israel is still currently in control of, you know, approximately 153 00:09:12,535 --> 00:09:15,694 Speaker 4: half of the Gaza strips, then we might actually see 154 00:09:15,735 --> 00:09:20,375 Speaker 4: two types of reconstruction activities taking place, one type in 155 00:09:20,455 --> 00:09:23,975 Speaker 4: areas that are under Israeli control. If that's what happens, 156 00:09:23,975 --> 00:09:26,015 Speaker 4: we actually don't know because we haven't kind of gotten 157 00:09:26,015 --> 00:09:28,775 Speaker 4: to that second phase yet, and then another type of 158 00:09:28,815 --> 00:09:33,935 Speaker 4: reconstruction activities that are in areas that are in Palestinian control. 159 00:09:34,895 --> 00:09:39,215 Speaker 4: So again there are some big question marks. And whilst 160 00:09:39,215 --> 00:09:43,135 Speaker 4: people are certainly talking about reconstruction and importantly in the 161 00:09:43,175 --> 00:09:46,934 Speaker 4: immediate terms, just getting all of that aid into Gaza 162 00:09:47,095 --> 00:09:51,535 Speaker 4: and providing people with temporary living and you know, shelter 163 00:09:51,935 --> 00:09:54,375 Speaker 4: people who don't have houses to go back to and 164 00:09:54,455 --> 00:09:57,215 Speaker 4: don't really have anywhere to sleep at night, and those 165 00:09:57,255 --> 00:10:02,255 Speaker 4: sort of things, it's in the longer terms there won't 166 00:10:02,415 --> 00:10:05,334 Speaker 4: really be able to be a clear plan for rec 167 00:10:05,495 --> 00:10:08,455 Speaker 4: instruction of any of the areas of the Gaza Strip 168 00:10:09,054 --> 00:10:13,975 Speaker 4: unless it's clear that that ceasefire has really reached a 169 00:10:14,054 --> 00:10:16,215 Speaker 4: much more permanent phase. 170 00:10:16,775 --> 00:10:19,415 Speaker 2: Jess, can you tell us a bit about the conditions 171 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:21,934 Speaker 2: on the ground in Gaza at the moment. You've mentioned 172 00:10:21,975 --> 00:10:24,615 Speaker 2: that there's lots of rebuilding that will need to be done, 173 00:10:24,775 --> 00:10:28,015 Speaker 2: but they're also heading in to winter over in the 174 00:10:28,015 --> 00:10:30,655 Speaker 2: Middle East, so that must also add an extra layer 175 00:10:30,735 --> 00:10:32,935 Speaker 2: of urgency, I guess. 176 00:10:33,735 --> 00:10:38,535 Speaker 4: So there are definitely international aid organizations that are operating 177 00:10:38,575 --> 00:10:42,695 Speaker 4: now on the ground, and aid is going into Gaza 178 00:10:42,895 --> 00:10:46,935 Speaker 4: pretty much on a daily basis. However, those international aid 179 00:10:47,015 --> 00:10:50,295 Speaker 4: organizations still say that it's not enough aid and it's 180 00:10:50,335 --> 00:10:55,015 Speaker 4: not coming in quickly enough and insufficient quantities to actually 181 00:10:55,015 --> 00:10:59,055 Speaker 4: meet the needs on the ground, because after this quite 182 00:10:59,175 --> 00:11:06,094 Speaker 4: protracted period of violent conflict, there are quite dire humanitarian 183 00:11:06,135 --> 00:11:10,615 Speaker 4: situations on the ground, so not only people who don't 184 00:11:10,655 --> 00:11:15,255 Speaker 4: have housing or shelter, but also people with medical conditions, 185 00:11:15,375 --> 00:11:21,175 Speaker 4: recovering from injuries, and then just also needing sufficient amounts 186 00:11:21,215 --> 00:11:23,775 Speaker 4: of food and clean water and all of those kind 187 00:11:23,815 --> 00:11:26,975 Speaker 4: of basic necessities. So all of that, whilst it's dropped 188 00:11:27,095 --> 00:11:30,775 Speaker 4: a little bit out of the daily news, is still 189 00:11:30,975 --> 00:11:36,975 Speaker 4: very much an ongoing challenge for Palestinians in Gaza now. 190 00:11:37,015 --> 00:11:40,535 Speaker 2: According to the Health Authority, the death toll from Israel's 191 00:11:40,535 --> 00:11:43,334 Speaker 2: attacks on the Gaza Strip has risen to more than 192 00:11:43,455 --> 00:11:48,135 Speaker 2: seventy thousand people you mentioned that there's been strikes on 193 00:11:48,295 --> 00:11:51,775 Speaker 2: both sides since the ceasefire was brought into effect. How 194 00:11:51,815 --> 00:11:54,655 Speaker 2: can that be though, if they're supposed to be we 195 00:11:54,735 --> 00:11:57,575 Speaker 2: agreed upon this, no more firing back and forth at 196 00:11:57,575 --> 00:12:00,695 Speaker 2: each other, Yet we keep seeing reports of that happening. 197 00:12:01,375 --> 00:12:03,375 Speaker 2: Is there any sort of consequence for that? 198 00:12:04,015 --> 00:12:07,214 Speaker 4: So I think that this is partly issue with the 199 00:12:08,015 --> 00:12:11,815 Speaker 4: sort of foreign policy approach of President Trump, which has 200 00:12:11,895 --> 00:12:15,815 Speaker 4: some positive aspects that needs to acknowledge. You know, for example, 201 00:12:15,855 --> 00:12:18,215 Speaker 4: we're actually we are seeing a sees fire in place, 202 00:12:18,255 --> 00:12:20,895 Speaker 4: which is more or less holding, even if it's a 203 00:12:20,895 --> 00:12:23,135 Speaker 4: bit fragile. So we can certainly see that as a 204 00:12:23,135 --> 00:12:25,775 Speaker 4: positive thing. But on the other hand, we've seen in 205 00:12:25,775 --> 00:12:29,535 Speaker 4: the way that Trump tends to approach conflicts around the 206 00:12:29,535 --> 00:12:34,415 Speaker 4: world is caring more about getting to a deal or 207 00:12:34,415 --> 00:12:39,695 Speaker 4: an agreement rather than dealing with the underlying issues that 208 00:12:39,935 --> 00:12:42,415 Speaker 4: are driving the conflict in the in the first place, 209 00:12:42,575 --> 00:12:46,815 Speaker 4: and not necessarily focusing on ensuring that the key access 210 00:12:47,295 --> 00:12:52,895 Speaker 4: to the conflict are really engaged in negotiations to reach 211 00:12:52,935 --> 00:12:56,135 Speaker 4: an agreement and are really on board. So in this case, 212 00:12:56,175 --> 00:12:59,535 Speaker 4: that's going to be Israel and Hamas Trump brought to 213 00:12:59,615 --> 00:13:02,454 Speaker 4: bear a fair bit of pressure on Israeli Prime Minister 214 00:13:02,535 --> 00:13:05,335 Speaker 4: binimin net Nyahoo to ensure that he would agree to 215 00:13:06,095 --> 00:13:09,175 Speaker 4: cease fire. But at the same time, there are elements 216 00:13:09,215 --> 00:13:11,695 Speaker 4: in Netnyawhu's government who are not in favor of the 217 00:13:11,655 --> 00:13:15,175 Speaker 4: sick fire. So netnyaw who himself is kind of navigating 218 00:13:15,215 --> 00:13:17,295 Speaker 4: between those elements. And if there isn't that kind of 219 00:13:17,335 --> 00:13:21,655 Speaker 4: ongoing pressure from Trump to maintain the ceasefire fragile as 220 00:13:21,655 --> 00:13:24,535 Speaker 4: it is, it's likely that it would have broken down 221 00:13:24,615 --> 00:13:26,935 Speaker 4: to an even greater extent. 222 00:13:27,375 --> 00:13:32,095 Speaker 2: Just finally, for just domestically within Israel, benminetna who is 223 00:13:32,335 --> 00:13:35,814 Speaker 2: seeking a pardon currently, can you just explain to us 224 00:13:35,855 --> 00:13:39,255 Speaker 2: what is he seeking a pardon for and what implications 225 00:13:39,255 --> 00:13:41,415 Speaker 2: it could have if he is granted. 226 00:13:40,975 --> 00:13:45,735 Speaker 4: That few different types of accusations here, So one is 227 00:13:45,815 --> 00:13:51,094 Speaker 4: taking your kind of classic corruption sort of slash bribery 228 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:56,095 Speaker 4: type activities. So there are allegations that Namannette naw who 229 00:13:56,135 --> 00:13:58,695 Speaker 4: accepted gifts that he shouldn't have accepted, and his wife 230 00:13:58,735 --> 00:14:01,695 Speaker 4: accepted gifts that he shouldn't have accepted. But then there 231 00:14:01,695 --> 00:14:07,095 Speaker 4: are other allegations that relate more to pre providing favors 232 00:14:07,735 --> 00:14:13,975 Speaker 4: in return for particular regulatory actions or particular policies that 233 00:14:14,015 --> 00:14:17,455 Speaker 4: were implemented. So this in some ways could be considered 234 00:14:17,735 --> 00:14:20,615 Speaker 4: even more serious because it's really getting to the core 235 00:14:21,015 --> 00:14:25,735 Speaker 4: of those kind of democratic principles of Israeli society. So 236 00:14:25,815 --> 00:14:29,735 Speaker 4: Biniminettnahu himself is very keen to stay in power as 237 00:14:29,775 --> 00:14:32,295 Speaker 4: Prime Minister of Israel. He definitely doesn't want to go 238 00:14:32,335 --> 00:14:37,415 Speaker 4: to jail. He really wants these allegations to be dropped. However, 239 00:14:38,215 --> 00:14:42,975 Speaker 4: there is also public pressure within Israeli society for those 240 00:14:43,015 --> 00:14:46,295 Speaker 4: trials to go ahead and for those allegations not to 241 00:14:46,295 --> 00:14:50,335 Speaker 4: be dropped. So I would doubt whether binniminettna Who would 242 00:14:50,615 --> 00:14:55,175 Speaker 4: succeed in being pardoned, because that would be unacceptable to 243 00:14:55,215 --> 00:14:57,415 Speaker 4: a large proportion of the Israeli population. But I think 244 00:14:57,455 --> 00:15:00,895 Speaker 4: it's something he will definitely continue to try to pursue 245 00:15:00,935 --> 00:15:04,095 Speaker 4: and possibly even bring in Trump's influence if he can. 246 00:15:04,615 --> 00:15:10,295 Speaker 4: In that regard, like it or not, next week, everyone 247 00:15:10,415 --> 00:15:13,855 Speaker 4: under the age of sixteen holding social media accounts. 248 00:15:13,415 --> 00:15:17,575 Speaker 2: Will cease to do so. Communications Minister Anika Wells, speaking 249 00:15:17,615 --> 00:15:20,535 Speaker 2: at the National Press Club yesterday, has doubled down on 250 00:15:20,575 --> 00:15:23,335 Speaker 2: a couple of things while shining more light on the 251 00:15:23,455 --> 00:15:26,375 Speaker 2: finer details of just how this is all going to work. 252 00:15:27,055 --> 00:15:31,215 Speaker 2: First up, age verification. We know platforms will need to 253 00:15:31,255 --> 00:15:35,255 Speaker 2: take reasonable steps to verify the age of their users. Now, 254 00:15:35,375 --> 00:15:38,215 Speaker 2: this will be done in various different ways, using third 255 00:15:38,255 --> 00:15:41,415 Speaker 2: party services and a backlog of the data you've already 256 00:15:41,455 --> 00:15:44,855 Speaker 2: given over to the platforms aka picks from your eighteenth 257 00:15:44,935 --> 00:15:47,335 Speaker 2: birthday or the fact that you're in a bunch of 258 00:15:47,375 --> 00:15:51,735 Speaker 2: neighborhood watch Facebook groups. The Minister has, as she says, 259 00:15:51,975 --> 00:15:54,215 Speaker 2: busted the myth that you'll need to hand over your 260 00:15:54,215 --> 00:15:56,535 Speaker 2: passport details to stay online. 261 00:15:57,495 --> 00:16:00,335 Speaker 3: You will not be forced to present government ID to 262 00:16:00,455 --> 00:16:04,735 Speaker 3: verify your age. The law states platforms must always offer 263 00:16:04,895 --> 00:16:08,335 Speaker 3: a reasonable alternative to their users. If you're an adult, 264 00:16:08,455 --> 00:16:10,775 Speaker 3: you probably won't need to do anything extra to prove 265 00:16:10,815 --> 00:16:14,015 Speaker 3: your age because, like I said before, these platforms have 266 00:16:14,135 --> 00:16:17,655 Speaker 3: plenty of data to infer your age. 267 00:16:17,775 --> 00:16:20,535 Speaker 2: Currently, there are ten platforms outlined as part of the 268 00:16:20,575 --> 00:16:25,095 Speaker 2: band tiktoks, snapchats and the like, but as we reported 269 00:16:25,095 --> 00:16:28,415 Speaker 2: earlier this week, apps like Lemonade and YopE are seeing 270 00:16:28,455 --> 00:16:32,295 Speaker 2: an influx of teen users. Miss Wells has reiterated more 271 00:16:32,375 --> 00:16:34,975 Speaker 2: can and will be added to the band list as 272 00:16:35,055 --> 00:16:39,375 Speaker 2: kids inevitably migrate to other apps. A question that continues 273 00:16:39,415 --> 00:16:42,815 Speaker 2: to pop up in the social media band discourse is just, well, 274 00:16:43,335 --> 00:16:45,815 Speaker 2: how do we know that it's actually working. Well, we 275 00:16:45,895 --> 00:16:48,695 Speaker 2: now have some more clarity on that too. It's not 276 00:16:48,735 --> 00:16:51,575 Speaker 2: a case of come December eleven, those forty nine point 277 00:16:51,615 --> 00:16:54,854 Speaker 2: five million dollar fines will start being issued to platforms 278 00:16:54,855 --> 00:16:58,575 Speaker 2: with teens still lingering, but rather the e Safety Commission 279 00:16:58,615 --> 00:17:01,975 Speaker 2: will send notices to the ten listed platforms for information 280 00:17:02,135 --> 00:17:05,135 Speaker 2: requests to identify just how many kids are still there. 281 00:17:05,575 --> 00:17:08,294 Speaker 2: These audits will then continue to happen every month for 282 00:17:08,375 --> 00:17:12,455 Speaker 2: six months, and if the Commission flags systematic breaches aka 283 00:17:12,534 --> 00:17:15,094 Speaker 2: heaps of teens are still doom scrolling Instagram like the 284 00:17:15,135 --> 00:17:18,175 Speaker 2: rest of us, that's when the fight's roll in. Other 285 00:17:18,215 --> 00:17:21,094 Speaker 2: complaints have been raised that the under sixteen ban is 286 00:17:21,135 --> 00:17:24,254 Speaker 2: only curving half the problem, and that it's harmful content 287 00:17:24,334 --> 00:17:27,615 Speaker 2: itself that needs to be removed from the Internet, not 288 00:17:27,734 --> 00:17:30,894 Speaker 2: just teens, to which the Minister says that'll be a 289 00:17:30,935 --> 00:17:33,014 Speaker 2: priority for the government in the new year. 290 00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:36,455 Speaker 3: The next step of this, which is a holistic response 291 00:17:36,494 --> 00:17:39,094 Speaker 3: that we're making to online safety as part of our 292 00:17:39,094 --> 00:17:41,615 Speaker 3: response to the Online Safety after Review, is the digital 293 00:17:41,695 --> 00:17:44,575 Speaker 3: duty of care and that is captures all the water 294 00:17:44,655 --> 00:17:47,655 Speaker 3: bouts of this law. I think that is an open 295 00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:51,254 Speaker 3: question to Australians what do we expect of our social 296 00:17:51,254 --> 00:17:55,614 Speaker 3: media platforms? What responsibility, what legal duty of care do 297 00:17:55,695 --> 00:17:57,815 Speaker 3: they owe us as Australians. 298 00:17:58,534 --> 00:18:02,174 Speaker 2: Finally, it's been reiterated that yes, teens will continue to 299 00:18:02,215 --> 00:18:04,934 Speaker 2: circumvent the ban and maybe even their parents will try 300 00:18:05,014 --> 00:18:08,014 Speaker 2: to help them set up accounts, but they won't be 301 00:18:08,135 --> 00:18:09,374 Speaker 2: reprimanded for doing so. 302 00:18:09,814 --> 00:18:13,655 Speaker 3: This is about putting the responsibility back on the social 303 00:18:13,734 --> 00:18:16,975 Speaker 3: media platforms who have been able to operate essentially in 304 00:18:16,975 --> 00:18:20,254 Speaker 3: a wild wild West for ten, fifteen twenty years with 305 00:18:20,534 --> 00:18:24,175 Speaker 3: immeasurable harms. The thing is they're now measurable. We now 306 00:18:24,215 --> 00:18:26,815 Speaker 3: have so much data and evidence about what is happening 307 00:18:27,094 --> 00:18:30,534 Speaker 3: to our kids online that we feel we must act. 308 00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:35,294 Speaker 3: This is about the cultural change so that the class 309 00:18:35,455 --> 00:18:38,655 Speaker 3: is off social media. There's maybe an outlierut on it. 310 00:18:38,854 --> 00:18:41,534 Speaker 3: Not that there's one person who really prefer to be 311 00:18:41,574 --> 00:18:44,695 Speaker 3: offered or got strict parents or kind afford a smartphone, 312 00:18:44,695 --> 00:18:47,494 Speaker 3: whatever it is, and they're the outlier because everybody else 313 00:18:47,574 --> 00:18:48,455 Speaker 3: is on it day and night. 314 00:18:50,175 --> 00:18:52,414 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 315 00:18:52,494 --> 00:18:55,455 Speaker 2: us Today. The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano, 316 00:18:55,655 --> 00:19:00,134 Speaker 2: Laria Brophy, and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Jacob Brown. 317 00:19:03,534 --> 00:19:06,615 Speaker 1: Muma Mea acknowledges the traditional loan of land and waters 318 00:19:06,655 --> 00:19:08,334 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on.