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Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Muma MIA's twice daily
Speaker 1: news podcast, The Quickie. Today we'll be breaking down the
Speaker 1: US election and where we stand. As the votes continue
Speaker 1: to be counted, we check in with our US correspondent,
Speaker 1: Emelia Lester to find out what this result also means
Speaker 1: for us here in Australia. Former President Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: former no more, taking to the stage at his Florida
Speaker 1: resort marri Lago last night to thank his supporters and
Speaker 1: declare himself the winner of the twenty twenty four US
Speaker 1: election and the forty seventh president.
Speaker 3: The task before us will not be easy, but I
Speaker 3: will bring every ounce of energy, spirit and fighting that
Speaker 3: I have in my soul to the job that you've
Speaker 3: entrusted to me. This is a great job. There's no
Speaker 3: job like this. This is the most important job in
Speaker 3: the world. Just as I did in my first term.
Speaker 3: We had a great first term, a great, great first term.
Speaker 3: I will govern by a simple motto. Promises made, Promises kept.
Speaker 3: We're going to keep our.
Speaker 1: Promise in Trump was surrounded by his family, his team,
Speaker 1: and a number of notable supporters. CEO of the UFC,
Speaker 1: Dana White, joined Trump on stage to celebrate the win.
Speaker 4: This is what happens when the machine comes. After what
Speaker 4: you've seen over the last several years, this is what
Speaker 4: it looks like. Couldn't stop him. He keeps going forward.
Speaker 4: He doesn't quit. He's the most resilient, hardworking man I've
Speaker 4: ever met in my life. His family are incredible people.
Speaker 4: This is carmel ladies and gentlemen. He deserves this. They
Speaker 4: deserve it a family.
Speaker 1: Trump's new Vice president, JD. Vans, also stood by the
Speaker 1: man he once compared to Hitler, saying he's ready to
Speaker 1: help lead the country.
Speaker 5: President Trump's leadership. We're never going to stop fighting for you,
Speaker 5: for your dreams, for the future of your children. And
Speaker 5: after the greatest political comeback in American history, We're going
Speaker 5: to leave the greatest economic comeback in American history. Under
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's leadership.
Speaker 1: Channel seven spoke to Trumpets founder Tony Holt Kramer, who
Speaker 1: said there were some Aussies in the crowd too.
Speaker 6: The President is here. President Trump just arrived. He's sitting
Speaker 6: at a table with Elon Musk. Rfk Junior is here.
Speaker 6: We just have tons of celebrities here, and most important,
Speaker 6: your biggest celebrity in Australia is with me at my table.
Speaker 6: Gina Reinhart is here.
Speaker 1: Despite the celebrity endorsements and war chest of funds, it
Speaker 1: wasn't enough to swing those red leaning states in Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris's favor. Some big names even heading out to long
Speaker 1: queues where young Americans were waiting hours to cast their vote,
Speaker 1: some for the first time. Paul Rod just showed up
Speaker 1: Nicole because he heard the line was so long.
Speaker 5: Paul, what brought you out?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to give people water or they're waiting
Speaker 1: in line for a long time.
Speaker 5: And it's a wonderful thing that all these young people
Speaker 5: are out voting.
Speaker 1: Overnight, Trump secured enough Electoral College votes to take the win,
Speaker 1: securing the battleground states of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, now sitting
Speaker 1: with two hundred and seventy seven votes to Harris's two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty four, with five states and districts still
Speaker 1: to be decided, Democratic voters are mourning the loss.
Speaker 7: I'm just waking up to the news that Trump has
Speaker 7: won the election. My overall feeling is disappointment, and my
Speaker 7: fellow Americans disappointed that so many chose a convicted felon
Speaker 7: of our qualified woman, that they chose a man who
Speaker 7: rambles incoherently about perceived plans for policy over the current
Speaker 7: vice president. Have chosen Anne, who thinks clearly only of
Speaker 7: himself and what he can gain from the presidency, of
Speaker 7: a woman who looked to gain the presidency to unite
Speaker 7: and uplift the American people.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty devastated by the results.
Speaker 7: I just.
Speaker 8: Never saw it coming.
Speaker 1: I really believe that common sense would prevail. Harris is
Speaker 1: yet to concede, her chief of staff sending an email
Speaker 1: out to the team late yesterday in an attempt to
Speaker 1: remain positive in the face of ever red turning states
Speaker 1: saying they remained hopeful, but Harris canceled her post election
Speaker 1: party and has yet to deliver a speech. Late yesterday,
Speaker 1: we caught up with Foreign Policy Deputy editor Emelia Lester
Speaker 1: to better understand how this election unfolded, Emelia. We closely
Speaker 1: watched those swing states that you told us about last time.
Speaker 1: We caught up to chat about the polling and how
Speaker 1: the candidates were shaping up pre election in places like Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Now it seemed really close for quite some time, and
Speaker 1: then things start to shift to Trump's favor. What was
Speaker 1: the deciding factor for voters in those states? What happened?
Speaker 8: So there were seven swing states or battleground states that
Speaker 8: were in contention, and all along or since Harris took
Speaker 8: over the ticket, the polls had shown Harris and Trump
Speaker 8: neck and neck in all seven of those battleground states,
Speaker 8: and a lot of people thought that meant that the
Speaker 8: election was going to be close. But then polsters and
Speaker 8: statisticians pointed out to us another scenario, which is that
Speaker 8: the election would not be close, and that in those
Speaker 8: seven battleground states, one candidate could actually sweep all of them.
Speaker 8: And astonishingly, we don't have the final results in yet,
Speaker 8: but it is possible at this point for Trump to
Speaker 8: sweep all seven of the battleground states.
Speaker 1: When we look at an election, we generally look at
Speaker 1: how a candidate won, but I think when we are
Speaker 1: reflecting on this election, it'd be interesting to look at
Speaker 1: how Carmela may be lost, because when you look at her,
Speaker 1: she looks like she would appeal to a lot of
Speaker 1: different communities. But one community in particular who seemed to
Speaker 1: have really supported Donald Trump is the Hispanic community. And
Speaker 1: that's despite a lot of the conversations that he has
Speaker 1: started around immigration and border crossings and things like that,
Speaker 1: which you would presume Hispanic communities would automatically feel like
Speaker 1: that is not what they'd wanted their candidate. How was
Speaker 1: it that she wasn't able to win communities like that over.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. I saw that Florida was
Speaker 8: called pretty early, as it always is, and it's become
Speaker 8: a safe Republican state since two thousand. But Trump had
Speaker 8: an exceptionally strong showing there, much stronger than he did
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty, and people thought that that was a
Speaker 8: sign that the Hispanic vote was actually trending towards Trump,
Speaker 8: which was the opposite of what people had predicted, particularly
Speaker 8: given the Tony Hinchcliffe Puerto Rico floating island of garbage
Speaker 8: remarks in the last days of the campaign. And I
Speaker 8: think that the post mortems are already being written that
Speaker 8: Harris just didn't win over enough groups. She increased her
Speaker 8: support amongst college educated voters. But if you break it
Speaker 8: down in other ways, Trump's Black vote was up, Trump's
Speaker 8: Hispanic vote was up, and while women and young people
Speaker 8: did favor Harris over Trump, neither group actually turned out
Speaker 8: in as bigger numbers. It looks like, so far, that's
Speaker 8: my caveat neither group turned out in as bigger numbers
Speaker 8: as they did for Biden in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about what impact the cost of living
Speaker 1: crisis has had on this election, because a lot of
Speaker 1: people in exit poll interviews were saying that four years ago,
Speaker 1: under Donald Trump, they felt like they had more money
Speaker 1: in their pocket, that their businesses were more successful, and
Speaker 1: they've had to deal with what is actually a global
Speaker 1: issue of rising inflation and cost of living crises. Do
Speaker 1: you think that's played a major role in why Trump
Speaker 1: did look so good to some voters who are really
Speaker 1: struggling right now.
Speaker 8: Yes. The most important issue for voters consistently in every
Speaker 8: survey was the economy, and that overwhelmed abortion amongst women.
Speaker 8: The economy was across the board the most important issue
Speaker 8: and then the second most important issue was immigration. But
Speaker 8: just focusing on the economy for a little bit, I
Speaker 8: think it is fair to say that globally, incumbents are
Speaker 8: getting thrashed at elections because everyone's economy after COVID is
Speaker 8: not in a particularly good way now. Actually, economists say
Speaker 8: that the US economy is probably the strongest in the
Speaker 8: world right now, but it doesn't feel like that to people.
Speaker 8: Economists aren't sure why there's this dissonance between how the
Speaker 8: economy is doing and how people feel about the economy,
Speaker 8: but it's definitely there. And Harris didn't have the opportunity
Speaker 8: to or never fixed on a narrative of how she
Speaker 8: was going to turn things around. I think that in
Speaker 8: the post mortems, a lot of people are going to
Speaker 8: turn to this appearance that she made on the view.
Speaker 2: Which you have done something differently than President Biden.
Speaker 8: During the past four years.
Speaker 6: There is done a thing that comes to mind in
Speaker 6: terms of and I've been a part of most of
Speaker 6: the decisions that have had impact.
Speaker 8: A Trump campaign manager Jason Miller wrote a piece for
Speaker 8: Politico a couple of days ago where he said to
Speaker 8: him that was the turning point in the campaign. By
Speaker 8: not distancing herself from Biden and more to the point,
Speaker 8: Biden's economy, she may have sealed the deal for Trump.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned abortion rights also being top ticket for a
Speaker 1: lot of voters in this election. Were you surprised to
Speaker 1: see that Unlike a lot of the other states that
Speaker 1: have brought in abortion band since Roe v. Wade was overturned,
Speaker 1: Florida has become the first state to fail to overthrow
Speaker 1: those with the option that they had on their ballot
Speaker 1: in this election. Did that surprise people?
Speaker 8: I think so, because a lot of really conservative states
Speaker 8: have voted to enshrine abortion rights. One state that did
Speaker 8: that on election night, conversely, was Missouri, which is an
Speaker 8: extremely red state. I don't quite know what's going on
Speaker 8: in Florida. Florida is often regarded by Americans as a
Speaker 8: bit of a mystery. It's a bit of a wildcard,
Speaker 8: and I think that's one of those wildcard results. I
Speaker 8: have seen some ANALYSI that says the reason why abortion
Speaker 8: generally never took off as an issue for Harris is
Speaker 8: because people feel inured to the national abortion debate because
Speaker 8: they live in a state where they feel simparticle with
Speaker 8: that state's values on abortion. Because the conservative line on
Speaker 8: the overturning of Roe v. Wade through the Dobbs decision
Speaker 8: was that we're just handing the abortion decision back to
Speaker 8: the states. We're not saying federally what we want to do.
Speaker 8: We're just handing the right to decide about abortion back
Speaker 8: to the states. And people took them kind of at
Speaker 8: phase value at that it appears and decided, well, I'm
Speaker 8: safe because I live in a state where I agree
Speaker 8: with what this state is doing on abortion.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussion about women's rights. If
Speaker 1: Donald Trump returns to power, could it get worse for
Speaker 1: women in the US? I mean, it's gotten pretty bad
Speaker 1: with stories we're hearing regularly about women who are dying
Speaker 1: because they can't access the kind of care that they need.
Speaker 1: The infant mortality rate has increased. Could it get worse?
Speaker 8: I think healthcare is dea going to get worse for
Speaker 8: women because we don't know exactly what's going to happen
Speaker 8: with abortion. Trump has sort of day dallied on whether
Speaker 8: or not he would sign a national abortion ban. We've
Speaker 8: talked about the popular support for enshrining abortion rights at
Speaker 8: the state level, but I think it's safe to say
Speaker 8: that there are some really conservative, politically extreme ideologues who
Speaker 8: are going to make up this administration, people like Trump's
Speaker 8: vice president Jedie Vance, who has made pretty clear he
Speaker 8: thinks that a woman's main purpose is to pop out babies.
Speaker 8: I just don't think that the way that this campaign
Speaker 8: has talked about women from the top down is a
Speaker 8: good thing for women generally. I think ambiently there's a
Speaker 8: lot of fear amongst women in the US. A lot
Speaker 8: of women feel like this election was a referendum whether
Speaker 8: women are equal to men, and the kind of coarse
Speaker 8: language that's been used throughout the campaign really made women
Speaker 8: feel panicked, and I think this result is not going
Speaker 8: to do anything to fix that.
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your opinion on this. You know,
Speaker 1: Australians watch the US election as a kind of gay
Speaker 1: which as to what may unfold here in Australia. And
Speaker 1: we saw during the last Trump administration and during the
Speaker 1: Morrison government here that a lot of those values seemed
Speaker 1: to be reflected and it felt very divisive. And we
Speaker 1: have seen here in Australia just in recent months two
Speaker 1: states at least look at bringing in abortion bands where
Speaker 1: abortions have been legalized for some time now do we
Speaker 1: fear that the sentiment that Trump may bring back again
Speaker 1: like we saw in the lead up to the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty election, might happen here again in Australia too.
Speaker 8: I think that you'd be hitting yourself if you thought
Speaker 8: that the broad cultural dynamics and currents that play in
Speaker 8: this election are going to stay within American borders. The
Speaker 8: US is the most culturally influential country in the world,
Speaker 8: and what happens in the US is not going to
Speaker 8: stay in the US. In fact, I saw a poll
Speaker 8: last week that was by Talbot Mills and it was
Speaker 8: asking Australians in New Zealanders who they would support in
Speaker 8: the election, and one really fascinating finding was that young
Speaker 8: men clearly prefer Trump, and his support of young women
Speaker 8: is tiny. I was very surprised to see the numbers
Speaker 8: of men under thirty who support Trump. It was actually
Speaker 8: forty three percent of young Australian and New Zealand man
Speaker 8: supporter Donald Trump. So I think that the kind of
Speaker 8: aggressive gender politics that we've seen unfolds here in spectacular
Speaker 8: fashion are absolutely going to make it across the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1: World leaders have congratulated the new president. One of the
Speaker 1: first to reach out was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyaho,
Speaker 1: who began with Dear Donald and Milania Trump, congratulations on
Speaker 1: history's greatest comeback. Your historic return to the White House
Speaker 1: offers a new beginning for America and a powerful recommitment
Speaker 1: to the great alliance between Israel and America. He signed
Speaker 1: off in true friendship, Yours, Benjamin and Sarah Netanyahu. Ukraine
Speaker 1: President Vladimir Zelenski also congratulated Trump, saying he appreciated his
Speaker 1: peace through strength approaching global affairs, saying this is exactly
Speaker 1: the principle that can practically bring just peace in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Closer Russian leader Vladimir Putin has yet to ignore knowledge
Speaker 1: Trump's win. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau posted a picture
Speaker 1: of him and Trump together at the White House, saying
Speaker 1: the friendship between Canada and the US is the envy
Speaker 1: of the world. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi took to
Speaker 1: social media, saying Australians and Americans are great friends and
Speaker 1: true allies, and working together can ensure the partnership between
Speaker 1: the two nations remained strong into the future. Earlier this year,
Speaker 1: The Saturday Paper reported that former Liberal Prime Minister Scott
Speaker 1: Morrison had positioned himself to serve the Albernese government as
Speaker 1: an informal envoy to Donald Trump if he were to
Speaker 1: be successful at the election. Opposition leader Peter Dutton posted
Speaker 1: his congratulations, saying, may the years ahead be some of
Speaker 1: the most defining for our alliance, in which, driven by
Speaker 1: tests of our times, the necessity of deterrence and the
Speaker 1: cause of securing peace through strength, we unleash the defense,
Speaker 1: industrial and economic opportunities of Orcus at speed and scale.
Speaker 1: The response from Wall Street has been a positive one
Speaker 1: off the back of Trump's election win. US SA treasury
Speaker 1: yields and bitcoin stocks hitting record highs. The US dollar
Speaker 1: also gained and the Dow added more than twelve hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty points. Senior market analyst David Morrison said financial
Speaker 1: markets responded to the relief of a quick and undisputed
Speaker 1: election results. Now that Trump has won, it may be
Speaker 1: the end of some of the criminal cases currently in
Speaker 1: the process of being heard against him. The two federal
Speaker 1: cases brought by the Department of Justice over alleged interference
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty election and the second over his
Speaker 1: handling of classified materials found at his resort in Florida,
Speaker 1: have already been hit with hurdles, but Trump may now
Speaker 1: personally order the dismissal of the cases, already saying he
Speaker 1: would fire special counsel Jack Smith, who brought the charges
Speaker 1: against him immediately. The state cases, one in Georgia, where
Speaker 1: he's been charged with an alleged conspiracy to disrupt the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty election result, is beyond the Department of Justice's jurisdiction,
Speaker 1: but Trump could ask the DOJ to file a lawsuit
Speaker 1: in federal court to pause the proceedings and fast track
Speaker 1: it to the Supreme Court, who ruled in July that
Speaker 1: former presidents are immune from prosecution. As for the New
Speaker 1: York hush money case, in which Trump was found guilty,
Speaker 1: the judge agreed to postpone sentencing until after the election,
Speaker 1: but legal scholars are now suggesting that sentencing may be
Speaker 1: postponed until after the next federal election. The transition to
Speaker 1: a Trump administration is not a quick one. It will
Speaker 1: be a few months before he moves back into the
Speaker 1: White House, but the process mandates that work begins five
Speaker 1: days after the election. State election officials still have to
Speaker 1: certify their elections and wait to see if any recounts
Speaker 1: are required. Then, on December seventeen, the Electoral College will
Speaker 1: meet to certify the results. Congress will then formally count
Speaker 1: and certify the vote during a special session on January sixth,
Speaker 1: where Trump's opponent, Kamla Harris will preside as the envelopes
Speaker 1: are opened and verified. Then Trump's inauguration will be held
Speaker 1: on January twenty on the steps of the Capitol as
Speaker 1: his four years in power begins. Barring any special circumstances,
Speaker 1: Trump will not be able to run again. Thanks for
Speaker 1: taking the time to feed your mind with us today.
Speaker 1: The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our
Speaker 1: executive producer, Taylor Strano.