WEBVTT - Trump's Claimed Victory, But How Did We Get Here?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Muma MIA's twice daily

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<v Speaker 1>news podcast, The Quickie. Today we'll be breaking down the

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<v Speaker 1>US election and where we stand. As the votes continue

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<v Speaker 1>to be counted, we check in with our US correspondent,

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<v Speaker 1>Emelia Lester to find out what this result also means

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<v Speaker 1>for us here in Australia. Former President Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>former no more, taking to the stage at his Florida

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<v Speaker 1>resort marri Lago last night to thank his supporters and

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<v Speaker 1>declare himself the winner of the twenty twenty four US

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<v Speaker 1>election and the forty seventh president.

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<v Speaker 3>The task before us will not be easy, but I

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<v Speaker 3>will bring every ounce of energy, spirit and fighting that

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<v Speaker 3>I have in my soul to the job that you've

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<v Speaker 3>entrusted to me. This is a great job. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>job like this. This is the most important job in

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<v Speaker 3>the world. Just as I did in my first term.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a great first term, a great, great first term.

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<v Speaker 3>I will govern by a simple motto. Promises made, Promises kept.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to keep our.

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<v Speaker 1>Promise in Trump was surrounded by his family, his team,

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<v Speaker 1>and a number of notable supporters. CEO of the UFC,

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<v Speaker 1>Dana White, joined Trump on stage to celebrate the win.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what happens when the machine comes. After what

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<v Speaker 4>you've seen over the last several years, this is what

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<v Speaker 4>it looks like. Couldn't stop him. He keeps going forward.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't quit. He's the most resilient, hardworking man I've

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<v Speaker 4>ever met in my life. His family are incredible people.

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<v Speaker 4>This is carmel ladies and gentlemen. He deserves this. They

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<v Speaker 4>deserve it a family.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's new Vice president, JD. Vans, also stood by the

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<v Speaker 1>man he once compared to Hitler, saying he's ready to

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<v Speaker 1>help lead the country.

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<v Speaker 5>President Trump's leadership. We're never going to stop fighting for you,

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<v Speaker 5>for your dreams, for the future of your children. And

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<v Speaker 5>after the greatest political comeback in American history, We're going

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<v Speaker 5>to leave the greatest economic comeback in American history. Under

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump's leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>Channel seven spoke to Trumpets founder Tony Holt Kramer, who

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<v Speaker 1>said there were some Aussies in the crowd too.

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<v Speaker 6>The President is here. President Trump just arrived. He's sitting

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<v Speaker 6>at a table with Elon Musk. Rfk Junior is here.

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<v Speaker 6>We just have tons of celebrities here, and most important,

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<v Speaker 6>your biggest celebrity in Australia is with me at my table.

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<v Speaker 6>Gina Reinhart is here.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the celebrity endorsements and war chest of funds, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't enough to swing those red leaning states in Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris's favor. Some big names even heading out to long

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<v Speaker 1>queues where young Americans were waiting hours to cast their vote,

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<v Speaker 1>some for the first time. Paul Rod just showed up

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole because he heard the line was so long.

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<v Speaker 5>Paul, what brought you out?

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to give people water or they're waiting

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<v Speaker 1>in line for a long time.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's a wonderful thing that all these young people

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<v Speaker 5>are out voting.

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<v Speaker 1>Overnight, Trump secured enough Electoral College votes to take the win,

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<v Speaker 1>securing the battleground states of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, now sitting

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<v Speaker 1>with two hundred and seventy seven votes to Harris's two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty four, with five states and districts still

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<v Speaker 1>to be decided, Democratic voters are mourning the loss.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just waking up to the news that Trump has

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<v Speaker 7>won the election. My overall feeling is disappointment, and my

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<v Speaker 7>fellow Americans disappointed that so many chose a convicted felon

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<v Speaker 7>of our qualified woman, that they chose a man who

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<v Speaker 7>rambles incoherently about perceived plans for policy over the current

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<v Speaker 7>vice president. Have chosen Anne, who thinks clearly only of

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<v Speaker 7>himself and what he can gain from the presidency, of

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<v Speaker 7>a woman who looked to gain the presidency to unite

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<v Speaker 7>and uplift the American people.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm pretty devastated by the results.

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<v Speaker 7>I just.

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<v Speaker 8>Never saw it coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I really believe that common sense would prevail. Harris is

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<v Speaker 1>yet to concede, her chief of staff sending an email

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<v Speaker 1>out to the team late yesterday in an attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>remain positive in the face of ever red turning states

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<v Speaker 1>saying they remained hopeful, but Harris canceled her post election

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<v Speaker 1>party and has yet to deliver a speech. Late yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>we caught up with Foreign Policy Deputy editor Emelia Lester

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<v Speaker 1>to better understand how this election unfolded, Emelia. We closely

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<v Speaker 1>watched those swing states that you told us about last time.

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<v Speaker 1>We caught up to chat about the polling and how

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<v Speaker 1>the candidates were shaping up pre election in places like Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it seemed really close for quite some time, and

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<v Speaker 1>then things start to shift to Trump's favor. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the deciding factor for voters in those states? What happened?

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<v Speaker 8>So there were seven swing states or battleground states that

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<v Speaker 8>were in contention, and all along or since Harris took

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<v Speaker 8>over the ticket, the polls had shown Harris and Trump

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<v Speaker 8>neck and neck in all seven of those battleground states,

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<v Speaker 8>and a lot of people thought that meant that the

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<v Speaker 8>election was going to be close. But then polsters and

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<v Speaker 8>statisticians pointed out to us another scenario, which is that

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<v Speaker 8>the election would not be close, and that in those

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<v Speaker 8>seven battleground states, one candidate could actually sweep all of them.

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<v Speaker 8>And astonishingly, we don't have the final results in yet,

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<v Speaker 8>but it is possible at this point for Trump to

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<v Speaker 8>sweep all seven of the battleground states.

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<v Speaker 1>When we look at an election, we generally look at

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<v Speaker 1>how a candidate won, but I think when we are

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<v Speaker 1>reflecting on this election, it'd be interesting to look at

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<v Speaker 1>how Carmela may be lost, because when you look at her,

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<v Speaker 1>she looks like she would appeal to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different communities. But one community in particular who seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>have really supported Donald Trump is the Hispanic community. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's despite a lot of the conversations that he has

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<v Speaker 1>started around immigration and border crossings and things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>which you would presume Hispanic communities would automatically feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that is not what they'd wanted their candidate. How was

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<v Speaker 1>it that she wasn't able to win communities like that over.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. I saw that Florida was

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<v Speaker 8>called pretty early, as it always is, and it's become

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<v Speaker 8>a safe Republican state since two thousand. But Trump had

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<v Speaker 8>an exceptionally strong showing there, much stronger than he did

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<v Speaker 8>in twenty twenty, and people thought that that was a

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<v Speaker 8>sign that the Hispanic vote was actually trending towards Trump,

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<v Speaker 8>which was the opposite of what people had predicted, particularly

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<v Speaker 8>given the Tony Hinchcliffe Puerto Rico floating island of garbage

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<v Speaker 8>remarks in the last days of the campaign. And I

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<v Speaker 8>think that the post mortems are already being written that

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<v Speaker 8>Harris just didn't win over enough groups. She increased her

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<v Speaker 8>support amongst college educated voters. But if you break it

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<v Speaker 8>down in other ways, Trump's Black vote was up, Trump's

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<v Speaker 8>Hispanic vote was up, and while women and young people

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<v Speaker 8>did favor Harris over Trump, neither group actually turned out

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<v Speaker 8>in as bigger numbers. It looks like, so far, that's

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<v Speaker 8>my caveat neither group turned out in as bigger numbers

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<v Speaker 8>as they did for Biden in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about what impact the cost of living

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<v Speaker 1>crisis has had on this election, because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people in exit poll interviews were saying that four years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>under Donald Trump, they felt like they had more money

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<v Speaker 1>in their pocket, that their businesses were more successful, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've had to deal with what is actually a global

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<v Speaker 1>issue of rising inflation and cost of living crises. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that's played a major role in why Trump

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<v Speaker 1>did look so good to some voters who are really

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<v Speaker 1>struggling right now.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes. The most important issue for voters consistently in every

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<v Speaker 8>survey was the economy, and that overwhelmed abortion amongst women.

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<v Speaker 8>The economy was across the board the most important issue

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<v Speaker 8>and then the second most important issue was immigration. But

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<v Speaker 8>just focusing on the economy for a little bit, I

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<v Speaker 8>think it is fair to say that globally, incumbents are

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<v Speaker 8>getting thrashed at elections because everyone's economy after COVID is

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<v Speaker 8>not in a particularly good way now. Actually, economists say

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<v Speaker 8>that the US economy is probably the strongest in the

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<v Speaker 8>world right now, but it doesn't feel like that to people.

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<v Speaker 8>Economists aren't sure why there's this dissonance between how the

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<v Speaker 8>economy is doing and how people feel about the economy,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's definitely there. And Harris didn't have the opportunity

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<v Speaker 8>to or never fixed on a narrative of how she

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<v Speaker 8>was going to turn things around. I think that in

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<v Speaker 8>the post mortems, a lot of people are going to

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<v Speaker 8>turn to this appearance that she made on the view.

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<v Speaker 2>Which you have done something differently than President Biden.

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<v Speaker 8>During the past four years.

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<v Speaker 6>There is done a thing that comes to mind in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of and I've been a part of most of

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<v Speaker 6>the decisions that have had impact.

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<v Speaker 8>A Trump campaign manager Jason Miller wrote a piece for

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<v Speaker 8>Politico a couple of days ago where he said to

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<v Speaker 8>him that was the turning point in the campaign. By

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<v Speaker 8>not distancing herself from Biden and more to the point,

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<v Speaker 8>Biden's economy, she may have sealed the deal for Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>You've mentioned abortion rights also being top ticket for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of voters in this election. Were you surprised to

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<v Speaker 1>see that Unlike a lot of the other states that

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<v Speaker 1>have brought in abortion band since Roe v. Wade was overturned,

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<v Speaker 1>Florida has become the first state to fail to overthrow

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<v Speaker 1>those with the option that they had on their ballot

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<v Speaker 1>in this election. Did that surprise people?

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<v Speaker 8>I think so, because a lot of really conservative states

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<v Speaker 8>have voted to enshrine abortion rights. One state that did

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<v Speaker 8>that on election night, conversely, was Missouri, which is an

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<v Speaker 8>extremely red state. I don't quite know what's going on

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<v Speaker 8>in Florida. Florida is often regarded by Americans as a

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<v Speaker 8>bit of a mystery. It's a bit of a wildcard,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think that's one of those wildcard results. I

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<v Speaker 8>have seen some ANALYSI that says the reason why abortion

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<v Speaker 8>generally never took off as an issue for Harris is

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<v Speaker 8>because people feel inured to the national abortion debate because

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<v Speaker 8>they live in a state where they feel simparticle with

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<v Speaker 8>that state's values on abortion. Because the conservative line on

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<v Speaker 8>the overturning of Roe v. Wade through the Dobbs decision

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<v Speaker 8>was that we're just handing the abortion decision back to

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<v Speaker 8>the states. We're not saying federally what we want to do.

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<v Speaker 8>We're just handing the right to decide about abortion back

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<v Speaker 8>to the states. And people took them kind of at

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<v Speaker 8>phase value at that it appears and decided, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 8>safe because I live in a state where I agree

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<v Speaker 8>with what this state is doing on abortion.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of discussion about women's rights. If

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump returns to power, could it get worse for

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<v Speaker 1>women in the US? I mean, it's gotten pretty bad

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<v Speaker 1>with stories we're hearing regularly about women who are dying

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<v Speaker 1>because they can't access the kind of care that they need.

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<v Speaker 1>The infant mortality rate has increased. Could it get worse?

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<v Speaker 8>I think healthcare is dea going to get worse for

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<v Speaker 8>women because we don't know exactly what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 8>with abortion. Trump has sort of day dallied on whether

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<v Speaker 8>or not he would sign a national abortion ban. We've

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<v Speaker 8>talked about the popular support for enshrining abortion rights at

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<v Speaker 8>the state level, but I think it's safe to say

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<v Speaker 8>that there are some really conservative, politically extreme ideologues who

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<v Speaker 8>are going to make up this administration, people like Trump's

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<v Speaker 8>vice president Jedie Vance, who has made pretty clear he

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<v Speaker 8>thinks that a woman's main purpose is to pop out babies.

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<v Speaker 8>I just don't think that the way that this campaign

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<v Speaker 8>has talked about women from the top down is a

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<v Speaker 8>good thing for women generally. I think ambiently there's a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of fear amongst women in the US. A lot

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<v Speaker 8>of women feel like this election was a referendum whether

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<v Speaker 8>women are equal to men, and the kind of coarse

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<v Speaker 8>language that's been used throughout the campaign really made women

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<v Speaker 8>feel panicked, and I think this result is not going

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<v Speaker 8>to do anything to fix that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to get your opinion on this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Australians watch the US election as a kind of gay

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<v Speaker 1>which as to what may unfold here in Australia. And

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<v Speaker 1>we saw during the last Trump administration and during the

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<v Speaker 1>Morrison government here that a lot of those values seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be reflected and it felt very divisive. And we

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<v Speaker 1>have seen here in Australia just in recent months two

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<v Speaker 1>states at least look at bringing in abortion bands where

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<v Speaker 1>abortions have been legalized for some time now do we

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<v Speaker 1>fear that the sentiment that Trump may bring back again

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<v Speaker 1>like we saw in the lead up to the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty election, might happen here again in Australia too.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that you'd be hitting yourself if you thought

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<v Speaker 8>that the broad cultural dynamics and currents that play in

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<v Speaker 8>this election are going to stay within American borders. The

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<v Speaker 8>US is the most culturally influential country in the world,

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<v Speaker 8>and what happens in the US is not going to

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<v Speaker 8>stay in the US. In fact, I saw a poll

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<v Speaker 8>last week that was by Talbot Mills and it was

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<v Speaker 8>asking Australians in New Zealanders who they would support in

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<v Speaker 8>the election, and one really fascinating finding was that young

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<v Speaker 8>men clearly prefer Trump, and his support of young women

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<v Speaker 8>is tiny. I was very surprised to see the numbers

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<v Speaker 8>of men under thirty who support Trump. It was actually

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<v Speaker 8>forty three percent of young Australian and New Zealand man

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<v Speaker 8>supporter Donald Trump. So I think that the kind of

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<v Speaker 8>aggressive gender politics that we've seen unfolds here in spectacular

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<v Speaker 8>fashion are absolutely going to make it across the Pacific Ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>World leaders have congratulated the new president. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>first to reach out was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyaho,

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<v Speaker 1>who began with Dear Donald and Milania Trump, congratulations on

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<v Speaker 1>history's greatest comeback. Your historic return to the White House

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<v Speaker 1>offers a new beginning for America and a powerful recommitment

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<v Speaker 1>to the great alliance between Israel and America. He signed

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<v Speaker 1>off in true friendship, Yours, Benjamin and Sarah Netanyahu. Ukraine

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<v Speaker 1>President Vladimir Zelenski also congratulated Trump, saying he appreciated his

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<v Speaker 1>peace through strength approaching global affairs, saying this is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the principle that can practically bring just peace in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>Closer Russian leader Vladimir Putin has yet to ignore knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's win. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau posted a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of him and Trump together at the White House, saying

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<v Speaker 1>the friendship between Canada and the US is the envy

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi took to

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<v Speaker 1>social media, saying Australians and Americans are great friends and

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<v Speaker 1>true allies, and working together can ensure the partnership between

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<v Speaker 1>the two nations remained strong into the future. Earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 1>The Saturday Paper reported that former Liberal Prime Minister Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Morrison had positioned himself to serve the Albernese government as

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<v Speaker 1>an informal envoy to Donald Trump if he were to

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<v Speaker 1>be successful at the election. Opposition leader Peter Dutton posted

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<v Speaker 1>his congratulations, saying, may the years ahead be some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most defining for our alliance, in which, driven by

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<v Speaker 1>tests of our times, the necessity of deterrence and the

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<v Speaker 1>cause of securing peace through strength, we unleash the defense,

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<v Speaker 1>industrial and economic opportunities of Orcus at speed and scale.

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<v Speaker 1>The response from Wall Street has been a positive one

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<v Speaker 1>off the back of Trump's election win. US SA treasury

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<v Speaker 1>yields and bitcoin stocks hitting record highs. The US dollar

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<v Speaker 1>also gained and the Dow added more than twelve hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty points. Senior market analyst David Morrison said financial

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<v Speaker 1>markets responded to the relief of a quick and undisputed

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<v Speaker 1>election results. Now that Trump has won, it may be

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<v Speaker 1>the end of some of the criminal cases currently in

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<v Speaker 1>the process of being heard against him. The two federal

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<v Speaker 1>cases brought by the Department of Justice over alleged interference

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty twenty election and the second over his

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<v Speaker 1>handling of classified materials found at his resort in Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>have already been hit with hurdles, but Trump may now

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<v Speaker 1>personally order the dismissal of the cases, already saying he

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<v Speaker 1>would fire special counsel Jack Smith, who brought the charges

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<v Speaker 1>against him immediately. The state cases, one in Georgia, where

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<v Speaker 1>he's been charged with an alleged conspiracy to disrupt the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty election result, is beyond the Department of Justice's jurisdiction,

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<v Speaker 1>but Trump could ask the DOJ to file a lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>in federal court to pause the proceedings and fast track

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<v Speaker 1>it to the Supreme Court, who ruled in July that

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<v Speaker 1>former presidents are immune from prosecution. As for the New

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<v Speaker 1>York hush money case, in which Trump was found guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge agreed to postpone sentencing until after the election,

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<v Speaker 1>but legal scholars are now suggesting that sentencing may be

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<v Speaker 1>postponed until after the next federal election. The transition to

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<v Speaker 1>a Trump administration is not a quick one. It will

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<v Speaker 1>be a few months before he moves back into the

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<v Speaker 1>White House, but the process mandates that work begins five

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<v Speaker 1>days after the election. State election officials still have to

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<v Speaker 1>certify their elections and wait to see if any recounts

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<v Speaker 1>are required. Then, on December seventeen, the Electoral College will

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<v Speaker 1>meet to certify the results. Congress will then formally count

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<v Speaker 1>and certify the vote during a special session on January sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>where Trump's opponent, Kamla Harris will preside as the envelopes

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<v Speaker 1>are opened and verified. Then Trump's inauguration will be held

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<v Speaker 1>on January twenty on the steps of the Capitol as

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<v Speaker 1>his four years in power begins. Barring any special circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump will not be able to run again. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>taking the time to feed your mind with us today.

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<v Speaker 1>The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our

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<v Speaker 1>executive producer, Taylor Strano.