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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed.

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Speaker 1: I'm Laura Brodnick, I'm cassmue Lugitch.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Tina Burke. Well, we did need three people

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Speaker 2: on today for this historic moment because this is our

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Speaker 2: brutally honest review of Just Like That, but also potentially

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Speaker 2: the last time on this earth in our lifetime that

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Speaker 2: we will talk about the Sex and City characters when

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Speaker 2: the show is currently airing. It really is an end

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Speaker 2: of an era, yes, because towards the end of this season,

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Speaker 2: the third season, it was announced by showrunner Michael Patrick

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Speaker 2: King that the show was coming to an end. So

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Speaker 2: it really adds an extra level of gravity and emotion

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Speaker 2: and passion to this last season and devastation. Yes, if

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Speaker 2: you're Laura Brodnick, who's been very passionate.

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Speaker 1: So I've started us off in a fun note. I

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Speaker 1: feel like because it was so abrupt, it feels like

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, which we will definitely get into when we

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Speaker 2: discuss the finale because I have so many thoughts. There's

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Speaker 2: so many characters and storylines, twelve episodes this season, so

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Speaker 2: much to talk about. But we're going to start off

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Speaker 2: with Charlotte as we go through our main characters.

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Speaker 1: I actually really enjoyed Charlotte this season. I know she

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Speaker 1: and sort of her main storyline was going back into

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Speaker 1: enjoyed watching her be a mom. I think she was

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Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting because a lot of the criticism of

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Speaker 2: the show came back, and there has been a lot,

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Speaker 2: was that people felt like Kristin davis One had forgotten

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Speaker 2: to act because out of all the people on the show,

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Speaker 2: so it did take her a while to find her

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Speaker 2: and I think the Harry storyline around his cancer finally

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Speaker 2: just motherhood, because let us not forget this season started

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Speaker 2: terribly for her with a bullying story about her dog

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Speaker 1: That was crazy to me because Richard Burton would never

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Speaker 3: WHOA, But no, it was like everyone else has these big,

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Speaker 3: It's not crazy for her Taylor have a dog storyline.

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Speaker 3: But it did feel like maybe she wasn't getting those

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Speaker 2: But the Elizabeth Taylor storyline in the final season Sex

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as speaking of the cancer storyline, obviously that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just doing whatever he wants and that's fun

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Speaker 2: She's just happy her dad's.

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Speaker 1: Guys. What do we think about the Rock Millie storyline,

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Speaker 1: you know, the thoroughly modern Millie storyline and Charlotte being

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Speaker 3: It's so cynical of me as well usually, but like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think that the show continued. It obviously

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying. And I think it would have been

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Speaker 2: And then this whole last season just being about a husband,

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Speaker 2: What a waste of three years of my life.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get to know about if Michelle Obama was

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Speaker 1: I feel like her character could have gone so many places.

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Speaker 1: There was so much to her and her style was

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Speaker 1: very upset if she had cheated on George Washington.

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Speaker 2: I get it right, a's room. You guys think you're

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Speaker 1: I hated that whole thing. I thought Carrie was being

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Speaker 2: My two thoughts on that were like, essentially their family,

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00:18:47,664 --> 00:18:49,664
Speaker 2: their sisters, they can fight. My other thing is like

436
00:18:49,784 --> 00:18:52,344
Speaker 2: Carrie do like a dawtersh or something. Yeah, it's so

437
00:18:52,424 --> 00:18:55,424
Speaker 2: much money has to be Yeah, don't even that. She

438
00:18:55,424 --> 00:18:58,224
Speaker 2: doesn't have to go outside her beautiful mansion. She can

439
00:18:58,264 --> 00:19:00,264
Speaker 2: pay someone to bring the food to her door. So

440
00:19:00,704 --> 00:19:02,464
Speaker 2: that's the kind of where a rarebit thing is. Carrie

441
00:19:02,464 --> 00:19:05,464
Speaker 2: has always been loving and infuriating exactly, So that's kind

442
00:19:05,464 --> 00:19:06,024
Speaker 2: of who she is.

443
00:19:06,064 --> 00:19:08,144
Speaker 3: And it felt perfect to me that, like, even still

444
00:19:08,184 --> 00:19:11,064
Speaker 3: at their big ages, something so silly is this is

445
00:19:11,064 --> 00:19:13,144
Speaker 3: her putting her her work on the table and then

446
00:19:13,144 --> 00:19:14,664
Speaker 3: spilling it and then cleaning it with the scarf, and

447
00:19:14,704 --> 00:19:18,024
Speaker 3: like the time, I mean silly, a little upsetting, but

448
00:19:18,064 --> 00:19:18,504
Speaker 3: also just.

449
00:19:18,424 --> 00:19:20,704
Speaker 1: Showed me that they still were who they were. Yeah, exactly.

450
00:19:21,064 --> 00:19:23,704
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Carrie, also one of the most beautiful

451
00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:26,384
Speaker 2: things and just like that as a whole has been

452
00:19:26,424 --> 00:19:28,744
Speaker 2: her friendship with Seema. I think like seeing the two

453
00:19:28,784 --> 00:19:30,944
Speaker 2: of them come together. They have had some of the

454
00:19:30,984 --> 00:19:33,704
Speaker 2: most beautiful moments throughout the show, like their first fight

455
00:19:33,784 --> 00:19:36,064
Speaker 2: that they had when Seema was selling the house over

456
00:19:36,104 --> 00:19:38,024
Speaker 2: Carrie saying like you just broke the glass, and then

457
00:19:38,024 --> 00:19:39,744
Speaker 2: seeing her saying like, I didn't mean to, kind of

458
00:19:39,824 --> 00:19:41,624
Speaker 2: like how you probably didn't mean to upset me when

459
00:19:41,624 --> 00:19:43,464
Speaker 2: you inferred that it was good that I was still

460
00:19:43,504 --> 00:19:45,424
Speaker 2: out there and I never find love. And then they

461
00:19:45,424 --> 00:19:47,304
Speaker 2: had that iconic scene when they were both getting their

462
00:19:47,304 --> 00:19:49,064
Speaker 2: hair washed and they went out to the road and

463
00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:51,744
Speaker 2: their wet hair and the rain and had that conversation

464
00:19:51,864 --> 00:19:55,024
Speaker 2: about when Aiden came in and ruined everyone's lives around

465
00:19:55,064 --> 00:19:57,744
Speaker 2: how Carrie had promised her this certain thing they were

466
00:19:57,744 --> 00:19:59,624
Speaker 2: going to do for the holidays, and then Seema being like,

467
00:19:59,704 --> 00:20:01,904
Speaker 2: I can't just be a third wheel to you, and

468
00:20:01,984 --> 00:20:04,704
Speaker 2: having these beautiful moments. So I thought like their friendship

469
00:20:04,784 --> 00:20:07,984
Speaker 2: through this season was really lovely. But of course there

470
00:20:08,024 --> 00:20:08,464
Speaker 2: was Adam.

471
00:20:08,824 --> 00:20:11,984
Speaker 1: I love Adam, so I loved the Sexy Gardener two.

472
00:20:12,304 --> 00:20:14,304
Speaker 2: As soon as he drove up in that dirty truck

473
00:20:14,344 --> 00:20:17,424
Speaker 2: with that Hamburger T shirt and a slight smear of dirt,

474
00:20:17,544 --> 00:20:20,344
Speaker 2: his perfect face. I was like, here we go. This

475
00:20:20,384 --> 00:20:21,744
Speaker 2: is what I signed up for. This is what I'm

476
00:20:21,784 --> 00:20:24,344
Speaker 2: paying my max log in account for. This is what

477
00:20:24,384 --> 00:20:24,744
Speaker 2: we're doing.

478
00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:27,184
Speaker 1: If he enters my screen, like my mind just goes what.

479
00:20:29,784 --> 00:20:33,464
Speaker 2: That's my favorite fact to tell people that that is

480
00:20:33,504 --> 00:20:37,144
Speaker 2: the same actor who played Tray on the OC and

481
00:20:37,224 --> 00:20:40,344
Speaker 2: again my teenage crush. Here he is a dirty old

482
00:20:40,384 --> 00:20:41,024
Speaker 2: Dirney old man.

483
00:20:41,064 --> 00:20:43,744
Speaker 1: I love it. I loved it. I loved the little

484
00:20:43,784 --> 00:20:46,264
Speaker 1: like a bit scruffy, ruffy, but he.

485
00:20:46,304 --> 00:20:47,824
Speaker 2: Got less hot as the season went on.

486
00:20:48,064 --> 00:20:50,344
Speaker 3: We got like, I think his personality at first for

487
00:20:50,344 --> 00:20:51,984
Speaker 3: me as much as it could have been maybe a

488
00:20:52,024 --> 00:20:54,144
Speaker 3: little bit tirer with the dialogue, like he was funny,

489
00:20:54,144 --> 00:20:56,224
Speaker 3: he had quips, he had the girls laughing, and like

490
00:20:56,584 --> 00:20:59,384
Speaker 3: he's feel sassy. He had a really fun, strong first

491
00:20:59,664 --> 00:21:01,304
Speaker 3: thing of him. And then over time, Mom.

492
00:21:01,424 --> 00:21:03,464
Speaker 1: I didn't like the whole deyodorant thing. That really pissed

493
00:21:03,504 --> 00:21:03,864
Speaker 1: me off.

494
00:21:05,544 --> 00:21:06,944
Speaker 2: I was just like, I was just.

495
00:21:06,864 --> 00:21:10,704
Speaker 1: Like, like, leave the woman alone, let her do a thing,

496
00:21:10,784 --> 00:21:12,824
Speaker 1: like stop talking about And.

497
00:21:12,944 --> 00:21:14,984
Speaker 2: I thought his way of getting hurt not where the

498
00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:18,144
Speaker 2: deodorant was a super questionable one because obviously he did

499
00:21:18,144 --> 00:21:20,064
Speaker 2: the whole thing of telling her the dangers of it,

500
00:21:20,104 --> 00:21:22,424
Speaker 2: and that didn't work. Then he gave her own deodorant

501
00:21:22,424 --> 00:21:24,064
Speaker 2: and said it was new, which is so important. That

502
00:21:24,104 --> 00:21:25,944
Speaker 2: didn't work. And then at one stage, do you guys

503
00:21:25,944 --> 00:21:28,424
Speaker 2: remember seen he put her deodorant in his mouth and

504
00:21:28,464 --> 00:21:30,904
Speaker 2: came and kissed her. When she's like that's gross, he's like, yeah,

505
00:21:30,904 --> 00:21:34,624
Speaker 2: that's because it's your deeodorant, isn't that He went to

506
00:21:34,704 --> 00:21:36,464
Speaker 2: put his deodret in her mouth and came back and

507
00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:37,784
Speaker 2: kissed her, and then he was like trying.

508
00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:39,464
Speaker 3: To prove a point. I'm like, she's like a nightmare

509
00:21:39,464 --> 00:21:41,224
Speaker 3: in your mind. Well, I mean, it's gross, but it

510
00:21:41,264 --> 00:21:42,824
Speaker 3: would you die if someone did that to you.

511
00:21:42,984 --> 00:21:45,304
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't love it. It's not the worst thing.

512
00:21:45,224 --> 00:21:47,024
Speaker 2: That could happen. But I'm also like, so has anyone

513
00:21:47,024 --> 00:21:49,424
Speaker 2: ever taught you that's not where deodrine grows. Yeah, Like,

514
00:21:49,464 --> 00:21:51,264
Speaker 2: it's not meant to go in your mouth, like likewise,

515
00:21:51,304 --> 00:21:53,904
Speaker 2: if you drink soap, it doesn't taste good. But exactly

516
00:21:54,144 --> 00:21:59,344
Speaker 2: that's its intended personal But ultimately, I am happy that

517
00:21:59,384 --> 00:22:01,104
Speaker 2: Seema and Adam ended up together. I think that's what

518
00:22:01,104 --> 00:22:02,264
Speaker 2: they was saying. That was the whole thing at the

519
00:22:02,304 --> 00:22:04,464
Speaker 2: pie where she's like, I don't miss the gluten. That

520
00:22:04,504 --> 00:22:06,224
Speaker 2: was her way of saying to the audience, I don't

521
00:22:06,264 --> 00:22:09,064
Speaker 2: miss the idea of marriage. So it was quickly summed up,

522
00:22:09,104 --> 00:22:11,304
Speaker 2: but I liked it too quick. But we're fine with it.

523
00:22:11,344 --> 00:22:14,144
Speaker 2: I'm happy, she's happy, she's cool. I like her.

524
00:22:15,624 --> 00:22:18,144
Speaker 1: Okay, So we've saved the best for last, which is

525
00:22:18,224 --> 00:22:21,224
Speaker 1: our heroine and the super chic Carry Bradshaw.

526
00:22:21,824 --> 00:22:24,184
Speaker 2: Yes, so this seems like a while ago, but it

527
00:22:24,224 --> 00:22:26,024
Speaker 2: was not a few episodes ago, the whole Carry and

528
00:22:26,104 --> 00:22:29,584
Speaker 2: Aiden's situation. And I'm gonna say the one thing that

529
00:22:29,624 --> 00:22:31,384
Speaker 2: I think a lot of fans have taken away from

530
00:22:31,384 --> 00:22:33,504
Speaker 2: and just like that, is that a lot of people

531
00:22:33,504 --> 00:22:36,024
Speaker 2: finish sex and the City like loving Aiden, and I

532
00:22:36,024 --> 00:22:39,264
Speaker 2: think that that was all taken away in this new

533
00:22:39,304 --> 00:22:41,224
Speaker 2: season with him and Carrie. But I don't mean to

534
00:22:41,424 --> 00:22:44,344
Speaker 2: start a fight or being antagonistic, but I do think

535
00:22:44,384 --> 00:22:46,064
Speaker 2: if you're going to bring him back and make such

536
00:22:46,064 --> 00:22:48,304
Speaker 2: a big deal that she gives up her beloved apartment

537
00:22:48,344 --> 00:22:51,064
Speaker 2: for him, then we best see that through as far

538
00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:53,584
Speaker 2: as we can and give those crazy kids who never

539
00:22:53,584 --> 00:22:54,784
Speaker 2: should have been together a chance.

540
00:22:55,064 --> 00:22:57,664
Speaker 1: I just feel like it just kind of. It was

541
00:22:57,744 --> 00:23:01,304
Speaker 1: so abrupt. I don't even really know why they just

542
00:23:01,344 --> 00:23:05,064
Speaker 1: decided that, no, this wasn't gonna It was just so abrupt.

543
00:23:05,144 --> 00:23:07,944
Speaker 1: And it was again about this trust thing. But Aiden

544
00:23:08,024 --> 00:23:09,784
Speaker 1: was the one that had slept with his ex wife

545
00:23:09,824 --> 00:23:11,744
Speaker 1: in the Carry didn't care. But the whole reason they

546
00:23:11,784 --> 00:23:14,064
Speaker 1: broke up in the first place because of Big and

547
00:23:14,104 --> 00:23:15,664
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden that was it.

548
00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:16,464
Speaker 2: Yeah.

549
00:23:16,504 --> 00:23:19,264
Speaker 3: I was very pro Aiden, the man INSECTX and the city, like,

550
00:23:19,704 --> 00:23:22,624
Speaker 3: not for Carry, just for being a person. I liked him, like,

551
00:23:22,664 --> 00:23:24,064
Speaker 3: I didn't really think they were the ones to end

552
00:23:24,144 --> 00:23:25,784
Speaker 3: up together, but I agree, if you're gonna make this

553
00:23:25,824 --> 00:23:27,864
Speaker 3: big deal, bring him back. She gives up her apartment,

554
00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:29,904
Speaker 3: they buy this beautiful home, They're going to make a life.

555
00:23:30,184 --> 00:23:32,984
Speaker 3: Why did we do all that just to then tear

556
00:23:33,024 --> 00:23:36,384
Speaker 3: them apart again in like a very infuriatingly slow way.

557
00:23:36,544 --> 00:23:38,904
Speaker 2: I guess you almost had to see them get everything

558
00:23:38,944 --> 00:23:41,584
Speaker 2: they wanted, and again it didn't want, yeah exactly, and

559
00:23:41,584 --> 00:23:43,544
Speaker 2: again not that they had everything, but it's like, we

560
00:23:43,624 --> 00:23:45,824
Speaker 2: have no space together, we've got no homes. Okay, you've

561
00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:48,304
Speaker 2: got a home. And then he can't see her because

562
00:23:48,304 --> 00:23:49,944
Speaker 2: of his family. All of a sudden his family don't

563
00:23:49,944 --> 00:23:52,744
Speaker 2: want him around anymore, and his potential serial killer son

564
00:23:53,104 --> 00:23:55,024
Speaker 2: decided he could sleep without him dad.

565
00:23:55,424 --> 00:23:57,264
Speaker 1: So is anyone watching that kid?

566
00:23:57,664 --> 00:23:58,504
Speaker 2: Is he okay?

567
00:23:58,664 --> 00:24:01,744
Speaker 1: No, he's not getting away from me and from Carrie?

568
00:24:01,824 --> 00:24:02,424
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

569
00:24:03,024 --> 00:24:05,264
Speaker 2: So I've nervous been such a scary child actor in

570
00:24:05,304 --> 00:24:05,744
Speaker 2: my life.

571
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,384
Speaker 3: Never I Meanwhile, she's there looking like I know she

572
00:24:08,464 --> 00:24:10,664
Speaker 3: hated how she looked in that whole time, but like

573
00:24:11,064 --> 00:24:13,264
Speaker 3: I love a dainty dress. Yeah, and I was like

574
00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:16,144
Speaker 3: a deal fashion deal fashion moment, and she's like I

575
00:24:16,184 --> 00:24:18,384
Speaker 3: hate this, but she's like looking beautiful, having a great time.

576
00:24:18,424 --> 00:24:20,704
Speaker 3: And then there's just this kid breaking glass go away.

577
00:24:21,064 --> 00:24:23,224
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was super dangerous. So I understand why

578
00:24:23,264 --> 00:24:25,144
Speaker 3: Aidan had to flee and be with Carrie. But then, yeah,

579
00:24:25,184 --> 00:24:27,064
Speaker 3: the serial killer son's out of the picture for the moment.

580
00:24:27,104 --> 00:24:29,664
Speaker 3: He's probably torturing animals somewhere. And then they've got their

581
00:24:29,664 --> 00:24:31,664
Speaker 3: home together and like all their friends are on board,

582
00:24:31,664 --> 00:24:32,784
Speaker 3: his ex wife's on board.

583
00:24:32,904 --> 00:24:35,144
Speaker 2: There's no barrier. And when there are no barriers, and

584
00:24:35,184 --> 00:24:37,864
Speaker 2: they finally sat in their relationship realized that neither of

585
00:24:37,904 --> 00:24:39,704
Speaker 2: them could do it because neither of them could budge

586
00:24:39,744 --> 00:24:41,784
Speaker 2: on being one hundred percent in. Yeah, and I feel

587
00:24:41,824 --> 00:24:44,664
Speaker 2: like as an audience, we needed to see that absolutely.

588
00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:47,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the whole Duncan. As soon as I saw Duncan,

589
00:24:47,464 --> 00:24:49,184
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, they're not going to work out,

590
00:24:49,504 --> 00:24:51,784
Speaker 1: Like Aiden and and Carrie are not working out. As

591
00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:55,904
Speaker 1: soon as I saw that downstairs neighbor hot writer done,

592
00:24:55,984 --> 00:24:57,544
Speaker 1: I was done so excited.

593
00:24:57,704 --> 00:24:59,264
Speaker 2: There was a lot of promise in this season. I

594
00:24:59,304 --> 00:25:01,024
Speaker 2: know that Sex and City and just like that is

595
00:25:01,104 --> 00:25:03,184
Speaker 2: supposed to about the men, but it's always been a

596
00:25:03,184 --> 00:25:05,464
Speaker 2: little bit about the men, men of the week crushes.

597
00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:07,224
Speaker 2: They're like the little they're like the little things that

598
00:25:07,304 --> 00:25:09,184
Speaker 2: run around to like entertain the women like they're the

599
00:25:09,224 --> 00:25:10,904
Speaker 2: queens and then the men of the what just is?

600
00:25:11,144 --> 00:25:13,264
Speaker 2: So when Duncan came along, I was all in because

601
00:25:13,264 --> 00:25:15,784
Speaker 2: he was so kind of different in a way just

602
00:25:15,904 --> 00:25:17,744
Speaker 2: oh maybe not because he was an angry artist, so

603
00:25:17,784 --> 00:25:19,824
Speaker 2: Petrowsky he didn't want to hang out with her, so

604
00:25:19,944 --> 00:25:21,664
Speaker 2: he was big, So maybe he's like maybe he's like

605
00:25:21,664 --> 00:25:24,464
Speaker 2: actually like every other man she's ever dated, the.

606
00:25:24,544 --> 00:25:27,944
Speaker 1: Artist Yah Samantha's lesbian relationship.

607
00:25:28,024 --> 00:25:32,184
Speaker 2: Yeah, the reay for Carrie like a culmination of Carr. Yeah.

608
00:25:32,264 --> 00:25:33,504
Speaker 2: I was going to say, like she's never had a

609
00:25:33,504 --> 00:25:35,664
Speaker 2: guy before, but an artist who doesn't like her, her

610
00:25:35,664 --> 00:25:37,904
Speaker 2: two ex boyfriends and her ex husband. But I was

611
00:25:37,984 --> 00:25:40,584
Speaker 2: very excited by the arrival Duncan because it felt like

612
00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:42,704
Speaker 2: new and exciting and dangerous, and there was going to

613
00:25:42,704 --> 00:25:46,264
Speaker 2: be such a build up to him. And my first

614
00:25:46,304 --> 00:25:49,424
Speaker 2: time where I started disliking him is that book that

615
00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:51,664
Speaker 2: Carrie was writing. Let's talk about that, because it was

616
00:25:51,704 --> 00:25:53,984
Speaker 2: a big deal this season that the full voiceover was

617
00:25:53,984 --> 00:25:54,424
Speaker 2: coming back.

618
00:25:54,464 --> 00:25:55,144
Speaker 1: That's all we were told.

619
00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:56,784
Speaker 3: I love the voice in that woman's head. I was

620
00:25:56,824 --> 00:25:59,144
Speaker 3: so excited hate her voice.

621
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:00,264
Speaker 1: We met the book.

622
00:26:02,144 --> 00:26:03,744
Speaker 2: That she was up here, it.

623
00:26:03,704 --> 00:26:08,184
Speaker 1: Has been completely slammed the woman. What's the line? The

624
00:26:08,224 --> 00:26:09,464
Speaker 1: woman didn't know.

625
00:26:09,144 --> 00:26:10,664
Speaker 2: Know what was going to happen next, So what she

626
00:26:10,664 --> 00:26:12,744
Speaker 2: got herself into. That's the part where I started to

627
00:26:12,824 --> 00:26:15,344
Speaker 2: question Duncan, because he's meant to be this incredible writer,

628
00:26:15,464 --> 00:26:18,984
Speaker 2: this literary man. And he finally starts reading Carrie's first

629
00:26:19,024 --> 00:26:21,704
Speaker 2: novel and again we thought we were getting back the

630
00:26:21,704 --> 00:26:24,224
Speaker 2: full voiceover from the show, and that has been dangle since.

631
00:26:24,224 --> 00:26:26,424
Speaker 2: And just like that came back. When it was first

632
00:26:26,424 --> 00:26:28,744
Speaker 2: announced before the show started that Carrie would have a podcast,

633
00:26:28,784 --> 00:26:30,224
Speaker 2: everyone's like Oh my god, she's going to have a

634
00:26:30,224 --> 00:26:32,624
Speaker 2: podcast that she does in her apartment and that's going

635
00:26:32,664 --> 00:26:35,064
Speaker 2: to be the stand in for the voiceover. But it

636
00:26:35,144 --> 00:26:37,344
Speaker 2: was j d Is hitting a woke button, So that

637
00:26:37,464 --> 00:26:40,384
Speaker 2: wasn't it. And then when this season started, everyone's like, oh,

638
00:26:40,424 --> 00:26:42,424
Speaker 2: the book that she's writing is actually going to be

639
00:26:42,424 --> 00:26:44,184
Speaker 2: her narrating, which it kind of was, but it was

640
00:26:44,184 --> 00:26:47,224
Speaker 2: this woman in like the eighteenth century. And the first

641
00:26:47,224 --> 00:26:50,504
Speaker 2: moment I lost all respect for Duncan the author, is

642
00:26:50,544 --> 00:26:52,864
Speaker 2: when he opened the book and he was like, the

643
00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:57,064
Speaker 2: woman didn't know what she was getting herself into and

644
00:26:57,064 --> 00:26:59,024
Speaker 2: there was a pause. I'm like, he's going to tell

645
00:26:59,024 --> 00:27:02,784
Speaker 2: her that that is the most cliche, clunky tech because

646
00:27:02,824 --> 00:27:06,384
Speaker 2: it is cliche, clunky, terrible writing, and he's going to

647
00:27:06,384 --> 00:27:08,544
Speaker 2: be the first person who's really really honest with her

648
00:27:08,784 --> 00:27:10,504
Speaker 2: and this is going to build their relationship. And I

649
00:27:10,584 --> 00:27:12,104
Speaker 2: was all in and I was seated and he goes

650
00:27:12,624 --> 00:27:15,184
Speaker 2: brilliant I know, and I was like, so you are

651
00:27:15,264 --> 00:27:15,784
Speaker 2: not a writer.

652
00:27:16,024 --> 00:27:19,984
Speaker 1: What an unexpected way to start, and then like like

653
00:27:20,264 --> 00:27:22,944
Speaker 1: Miranda references it as well. It was just like I

654
00:27:22,984 --> 00:27:24,144
Speaker 1: was like, guys, come on.

655
00:27:24,544 --> 00:27:27,224
Speaker 2: And that was also shit for Carrie Bradshaw because Carrie

656
00:27:27,264 --> 00:27:29,544
Speaker 2: Bradshaw has got a lot of criticism from like real

657
00:27:29,544 --> 00:27:32,464
Speaker 2: life people over the years that she's a really bad writer,

658
00:27:32,624 --> 00:27:35,064
Speaker 2: because you know, sometimes people will zoom in on what's

659
00:27:35,104 --> 00:27:36,664
Speaker 2: on her computer. I never do that in a show

660
00:27:36,664 --> 00:27:38,584
Speaker 2: because you know who writes that, the interns, And I'm

661
00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:41,424
Speaker 2: sure they're really clever, but they just started getting exactly

662
00:27:41,424 --> 00:27:44,024
Speaker 2: who's just like Jerish Deberation, Sex and City Love whatever,

663
00:27:44,184 --> 00:27:45,784
Speaker 2: So don't do that. But if you actually listen to

664
00:27:45,824 --> 00:27:47,944
Speaker 2: the voiceover in Sex and the City, like that's Carrie's writing,

665
00:27:47,944 --> 00:27:49,824
Speaker 2: they meant to be passages from her column and she's

666
00:27:49,864 --> 00:27:53,304
Speaker 2: a beautiful writer. So when this came out and people

667
00:27:53,344 --> 00:27:55,704
Speaker 2: were ridiculing it and saying like, of course she can't

668
00:27:55,704 --> 00:27:57,704
Speaker 2: write a book, I felt a real sense of injustice

669
00:27:57,704 --> 00:28:00,144
Speaker 2: for her that in this final season that had been

670
00:28:00,144 --> 00:28:02,384
Speaker 2: taken away from her. I didn't feel quite as passionate

671
00:28:02,384 --> 00:28:04,464
Speaker 2: that it was as awful as you, but I respect her.

672
00:28:04,624 --> 00:28:06,304
Speaker 2: What you want to read the woman, I'll read the woman.

673
00:28:06,384 --> 00:28:08,224
Speaker 2: Why not? But no, I agree. I found it weird

674
00:28:08,224 --> 00:28:08,624
Speaker 2: when she.

675
00:28:08,624 --> 00:28:10,904
Speaker 1: Goes, I love your book, he goes, I love your book.

676
00:28:10,984 --> 00:28:13,144
Speaker 3: End scene, Like yes, I really did think that the

677
00:28:13,224 --> 00:28:17,384
Speaker 3: acclaimed biographer man British angry dude who doesn't like stomping

678
00:28:17,424 --> 00:28:19,384
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah would look at her book and

679
00:28:19,424 --> 00:28:20,344
Speaker 3: her chapter and have.

680
00:28:20,304 --> 00:28:22,264
Speaker 1: Notes at least yeah, and that he wouldn't like it,

681
00:28:22,304 --> 00:28:23,144
Speaker 1: and yeah, then maybe.

682
00:28:22,944 --> 00:28:25,024
Speaker 3: She changed what she was doing her stories. Nodded cringe.

683
00:28:25,064 --> 00:28:27,104
Speaker 3: But you know I love cringe things, so I would

684
00:28:27,104 --> 00:28:28,064
Speaker 3: have read that book for sure.

685
00:28:28,104 --> 00:28:30,304
Speaker 2: Exactly A cringe romance by Carrie Bradshaw.

686
00:28:30,344 --> 00:28:32,984
Speaker 1: You just going to the best seller.

687
00:28:32,824 --> 00:28:35,824
Speaker 2: List, best seller adaptation. It's all coming for you know,

688
00:28:35,944 --> 00:28:38,024
Speaker 2: the moment she and Seema are having cocktails and she's

689
00:28:38,064 --> 00:28:40,024
Speaker 2: talking about Duncan. It's the first time she's kind of

690
00:28:40,104 --> 00:28:42,704
Speaker 2: letting herself believe that something could happen, and she said

691
00:28:42,704 --> 00:28:45,344
Speaker 2: something really interesting that again, a lot of people have criticized,

692
00:28:45,384 --> 00:28:47,744
Speaker 2: but I'm on Carrie's side with this is that it's

693
00:28:47,744 --> 00:28:50,344
Speaker 2: the first time someone has made her feel really smart.

694
00:28:51,024 --> 00:28:53,664
Speaker 2: And a lot of people who critique this show for

695
00:28:53,704 --> 00:28:55,744
Speaker 2: a living that I listened to and read their work

696
00:28:55,744 --> 00:28:57,824
Speaker 2: of being like, oh, she's always been the smart one,

697
00:28:57,824 --> 00:28:59,904
Speaker 2: but if you actually look at it, like mister Bieck

698
00:29:00,064 --> 00:29:03,224
Speaker 2: always saw her as like this crazy kid about town, Like.

699
00:29:03,224 --> 00:29:06,264
Speaker 1: He calls her kid yeah, yeah, like here's something she's smart.

700
00:29:06,304 --> 00:29:07,424
Speaker 1: He doesn't read her work.

701
00:29:07,624 --> 00:29:09,264
Speaker 2: Now, I know they loved each other, even though the

702
00:29:09,304 --> 00:29:11,104
Speaker 2: show forgot that at some point.

703
00:29:10,984 --> 00:29:15,504
Speaker 1: And Petrovsky was very like, I'm an talk down to her,

704
00:29:15,544 --> 00:29:18,584
Speaker 1: like he was like very patronizing, and so did Aiden.

705
00:29:18,744 --> 00:29:20,384
Speaker 2: I feel like she was always seen through the lens

706
00:29:20,384 --> 00:29:23,144
Speaker 2: of she's tiny. She loves all these big men, which

707
00:29:23,184 --> 00:29:24,544
Speaker 2: I hate women like that anyway.

708
00:29:24,264 --> 00:29:28,464
Speaker 1: But the tall guys for the tall women, and.

709
00:29:28,384 --> 00:29:30,824
Speaker 2: It's always like she's this crazy fashion ee star that

710
00:29:30,864 --> 00:29:33,264
Speaker 2: all these men just find so cute and sexy. And

711
00:29:33,304 --> 00:29:35,344
Speaker 2: I felt that when she said that that has been

712
00:29:35,624 --> 00:29:38,224
Speaker 2: she's been portrayed, so him being like, even though the

713
00:29:38,264 --> 00:29:40,784
Speaker 2: book was trash, him being like, I think you're so

714
00:29:40,824 --> 00:29:42,424
Speaker 2: smart and that's why I like you.

715
00:29:42,464 --> 00:29:44,104
Speaker 1: But I didn't like you before that. I thought was

716
00:29:44,144 --> 00:29:45,024
Speaker 1: actually really loved.

717
00:29:44,944 --> 00:29:46,304
Speaker 3: And you could see that in the way she prefaced

718
00:29:46,304 --> 00:29:47,864
Speaker 3: it when she gave him the book. She's like, don't

719
00:29:47,864 --> 00:29:49,744
Speaker 3: make fun of this. Yeah, like I know that wasn't

720
00:29:49,744 --> 00:29:51,344
Speaker 3: what she said, but she gave it to him this

721
00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:54,184
Speaker 3: whole speel of like this isn't as good as your work,

722
00:29:54,264 --> 00:29:55,944
Speaker 3: this isn't as amazing, So to then you have someone

723
00:29:55,984 --> 00:29:58,264
Speaker 3: who actually saw her as smart and interesting and like

724
00:29:58,304 --> 00:30:00,704
Speaker 3: a whole complete person and not this crazy woman in

725
00:30:00,744 --> 00:30:01,304
Speaker 3: big heels.

726
00:30:01,424 --> 00:30:02,704
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really lovely.

727
00:30:02,864 --> 00:30:05,784
Speaker 1: Although the way the relationship started was because she was

728
00:30:05,784 --> 00:30:08,104
Speaker 1: walking around in the heels in the house, which also

729
00:30:08,184 --> 00:30:13,304
Speaker 1: really irritated me, like, take your damn shoes, it's so

730
00:30:13,384 --> 00:30:15,344
Speaker 1: disrespectful she is.

731
00:30:15,384 --> 00:30:17,064
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, I can't take my shoes off. I

732
00:30:17,064 --> 00:30:19,224
Speaker 3: don't know how to stand on flat feet. Okay, carry.

733
00:30:19,224 --> 00:30:21,824
Speaker 1: I actually do believe that performed in a way.

734
00:30:22,144 --> 00:30:24,184
Speaker 2: Can I tell you the moment I started hating Duncan

735
00:30:24,224 --> 00:30:26,464
Speaker 2: the author, please, I hated him so much. It's when

736
00:30:26,464 --> 00:30:29,104
Speaker 2: he went upstairs to fix Carrie's printer, and I always

737
00:30:29,144 --> 00:30:32,584
Speaker 2: thought his personality just changes, so like the writers obviously

738
00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,824
Speaker 2: like maybe the writer's to swapover where one group didn't

739
00:30:35,864 --> 00:30:38,024
Speaker 2: send the handover email to the other group about where

740
00:30:38,064 --> 00:30:39,944
Speaker 2: Duncan was going, and so they started afresh. It's like

741
00:30:39,944 --> 00:30:42,104
Speaker 2: a weird mad libs where it just went wrong. But

742
00:30:42,144 --> 00:30:43,984
Speaker 2: he goes up to say, to fix Carrie's computer. I

743
00:30:44,104 --> 00:30:46,784
Speaker 2: kind of talk about this without feeling sick, and he

744
00:30:46,944 --> 00:30:48,704
Speaker 2: sees her dresses and he's like, oh, they're really nice,

745
00:30:48,704 --> 00:30:50,704
Speaker 2: which is fine, and then she's like, let me show

746
00:30:50,704 --> 00:30:52,624
Speaker 2: you something, takes him into her shoe closet, turns on

747
00:30:52,664 --> 00:30:55,264
Speaker 2: the light, sees all the beautiful shoes which have been

748
00:30:55,264 --> 00:30:58,424
Speaker 2: carefully picked out to like be all different designers that

749
00:30:58,504 --> 00:31:01,304
Speaker 2: Carrie has mentioned a worn over the years. A pair

750
00:31:01,304 --> 00:31:03,304
Speaker 2: of Dolly Alderton's shoes is in there, as like a

751
00:31:03,344 --> 00:31:06,824
Speaker 2: little nod to like the other ultimate single girl love.

752
00:31:06,944 --> 00:31:07,784
Speaker 1: Isn't that so weird?

753
00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:11,184
Speaker 2: I love that that's all ruined because Dunky walks over,

754
00:31:12,184 --> 00:31:15,464
Speaker 2: picks up one of the shoes and goes, sparkle, sparkle,

755
00:31:15,504 --> 00:31:17,904
Speaker 2: and then he goes, what's that and he pretends to

756
00:31:17,944 --> 00:31:21,344
Speaker 2: talk to the shoe and he goes, oh, you're sorry

757
00:31:21,384 --> 00:31:23,704
Speaker 2: that I've been keeping your mummy so busy and that

758
00:31:23,744 --> 00:31:25,944
Speaker 2: we haven't been able to go to parties. And in

759
00:31:25,984 --> 00:31:28,784
Speaker 2: that moment, I was so horrified. I felt my ovaries

760
00:31:29,064 --> 00:31:32,064
Speaker 2: like shrink up, leave my body. I was like, I'll

761
00:31:32,064 --> 00:31:34,784
Speaker 2: never touch another man again, and like just leave this

762
00:31:34,904 --> 00:31:37,664
Speaker 2: world because I had the biggest ick from that man

763
00:31:38,024 --> 00:31:42,984
Speaker 2: and Carrie didn't get the ick I nearly reached. That's

764
00:31:43,024 --> 00:31:44,864
Speaker 2: when you know that you're really down bad for a guy.

765
00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:47,224
Speaker 2: It's like they'll do the most disgusting.

766
00:31:46,624 --> 00:31:49,704
Speaker 1: Thing, like talk to your shoe and a baby voice, and.

767
00:31:49,664 --> 00:31:53,584
Speaker 2: I was like, oh you mummy, ew yuck. I know. Yeah. Anyway,

768
00:31:53,624 --> 00:31:55,224
Speaker 2: so when Duncan said I was leaving, he was leaving

769
00:31:55,264 --> 00:31:57,464
Speaker 2: the show and never coming back to New York ever. Again,

770
00:31:57,824 --> 00:31:59,784
Speaker 2: I did feel bad for Carrie, but I also like,

771
00:31:59,904 --> 00:32:01,224
Speaker 2: run away from that man quick.

772
00:32:01,264 --> 00:32:03,984
Speaker 1: It was sad for her because you know she liked him.

773
00:32:03,984 --> 00:32:04,504
Speaker 2: Good for her.

774
00:32:04,784 --> 00:32:06,584
Speaker 3: But I agree he was doing my head in a

775
00:32:06,624 --> 00:32:07,824
Speaker 3: little bit by the end. And I do think it

776
00:32:07,864 --> 00:32:09,344
Speaker 3: was that shoe sing because I don't want to watch

777
00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:11,144
Speaker 3: that happen. Yeah, I don't want to see that side

778
00:32:11,144 --> 00:32:12,424
Speaker 3: of his personality exactly.

779
00:32:12,544 --> 00:32:15,504
Speaker 1: Should we move on to the finale before we.

780
00:32:15,504 --> 00:32:17,864
Speaker 2: Get into that, A question to both of you. At finale,

781
00:32:18,064 --> 00:32:21,104
Speaker 2: do you think it was meant to be the final episode?

782
00:32:21,344 --> 00:32:21,464
Speaker 1: No?

783
00:32:21,744 --> 00:32:24,424
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no at all And okay, so if anyone

784
00:32:24,424 --> 00:32:27,384
Speaker 2: who's on across this whole thing, Michael Patrick King announced

785
00:32:27,384 --> 00:32:28,904
Speaker 2: that the show would be coming to an end, and

786
00:32:28,944 --> 00:32:31,784
Speaker 2: his official statement and the official statements from everyone else

787
00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:34,944
Speaker 2: in the show, including Sarah Jessica Parker, is that they

788
00:32:35,064 --> 00:32:37,864
Speaker 2: made the decision to end and just like that after

789
00:32:37,944 --> 00:32:40,944
Speaker 2: season three because they felt that they had come to

790
00:32:40,984 --> 00:32:43,664
Speaker 2: the place they wanted to stop, and Michael Patrick King

791
00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:46,784
Speaker 2: said he called Sarah Jessica Parker and she said, I

792
00:32:46,864 --> 00:32:50,424
Speaker 2: believe there are no more stories about Carrie left to tell.

793
00:32:51,264 --> 00:32:51,464
Speaker 1: Now.

794
00:32:51,464 --> 00:32:54,304
Speaker 2: This doesn't track for a few reasons, and one of

795
00:32:54,304 --> 00:32:56,824
Speaker 2: those is that it just seems strange with like the

796
00:32:56,824 --> 00:32:59,584
Speaker 2: amount of press they were doing throughout the series. And

797
00:32:59,784 --> 00:33:01,864
Speaker 2: also if you listen to the Writer's Room podcast, the

798
00:33:01,864 --> 00:33:04,904
Speaker 2: way they're talking in the finale episodes and nothing they're

799
00:33:04,944 --> 00:33:07,984
Speaker 2: saying alludes to it being the finale. It's also come

800
00:33:07,984 --> 00:33:10,144
Speaker 2: out from a few well placed sources that it was

801
00:33:10,504 --> 00:33:14,264
Speaker 2: track negotiations allegedly that break down the whole thing. That

802
00:33:14,424 --> 00:33:17,144
Speaker 2: it's a very very expensive show to make. There's a

803
00:33:17,184 --> 00:33:19,864
Speaker 2: lot of different contracts that needed to be negotiated, and

804
00:33:19,904 --> 00:33:22,584
Speaker 2: they were trying up until the last minute to keep

805
00:33:22,624 --> 00:33:25,944
Speaker 2: it going but just couldn't get it across the line.

806
00:33:26,064 --> 00:33:29,144
Speaker 2: And also there were two very long episodes this season

807
00:33:29,184 --> 00:33:31,944
Speaker 2: that were then split in half, including the finale. So

808
00:33:31,984 --> 00:33:33,984
Speaker 2: the reason it feels just joined it and the reason

809
00:33:33,984 --> 00:33:36,944
Speaker 2: the second last episode doesn't feel like enough is actually

810
00:33:36,944 --> 00:33:38,344
Speaker 2: the beginning of the first episode.

811
00:33:38,424 --> 00:33:41,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, we also hear from Motley Rodgers, who's the stylist.

812
00:33:41,784 --> 00:33:44,064
Speaker 1: She said she had no idea when she styled the

813
00:33:44,064 --> 00:33:45,984
Speaker 1: final episode that this was going to be the end

814
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:49,824
Speaker 1: of it. And that's what I will say, so style,

815
00:33:49,904 --> 00:33:54,424
Speaker 1: You're styling the final episode of this series knowing that

816
00:33:54,464 --> 00:33:55,984
Speaker 1: this is probably going to be the end of an

817
00:33:56,824 --> 00:34:00,144
Speaker 1: entire franchise and you don't know.

818
00:34:00,744 --> 00:34:03,224
Speaker 2: And Kristin Davis and Synthe Nixon has said that they

819
00:34:03,264 --> 00:34:05,544
Speaker 2: didn't know, which that is the thing that doesn't track

820
00:34:05,624 --> 00:34:07,544
Speaker 2: for me because Michael Patrick King said he didn't want

821
00:34:07,584 --> 00:34:09,944
Speaker 2: to tell the viewers because he didn't want people all

822
00:34:09,984 --> 00:34:12,224
Speaker 2: sees and being like, so, what's gonna happen in the end,

823
00:34:12,224 --> 00:34:14,424
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen in the end, and being so frantic.

824
00:34:14,464 --> 00:34:16,944
Speaker 2: He wanted people just to enjoy it. Again, I might

825
00:34:16,984 --> 00:34:18,904
Speaker 2: believe that without all the other evidence, but I'm like

826
00:34:19,144 --> 00:34:22,144
Speaker 2: christ And Davis and Cynthia Nixon, the two co lead

827
00:34:22,184 --> 00:34:24,824
Speaker 2: actresses producers of the show who have been in this

828
00:34:24,904 --> 00:34:28,104
Speaker 2: franchise for decades with you. You lied to them as well.

829
00:34:27,904 --> 00:34:30,704
Speaker 3: That's your track with me, and I think, like we'll

830
00:34:30,704 --> 00:34:34,464
Speaker 3: obviously talk about it, but yes, the ending scene helps

831
00:34:34,544 --> 00:34:36,904
Speaker 3: when you've got that song playing and the voiceover to

832
00:34:37,024 --> 00:34:39,064
Speaker 3: tie up all these storylines to make it seem like

833
00:34:39,144 --> 00:34:40,984
Speaker 3: it was the end of something. But for pretty much

834
00:34:40,984 --> 00:34:43,584
Speaker 3: everyone except Carrie, I'm like, wait, what what happened with this?

835
00:34:43,584 --> 00:34:44,144
Speaker 1: What happened with this?

836
00:34:44,904 --> 00:34:47,224
Speaker 3: There's all of these like loose storylines, and that's perfectly

837
00:34:47,304 --> 00:34:49,464
Speaker 3: fine for a season finale, But I would never have

838
00:34:49,504 --> 00:34:51,864
Speaker 3: expected it for like a series finale. And obviously, yes,

839
00:34:51,904 --> 00:34:54,024
Speaker 3: I would expect that it points to like here's where

840
00:34:54,064 --> 00:34:56,664
Speaker 3: Miranda's life is gonna head, Here's where Charlotte's lie's gonna head.

841
00:34:56,664 --> 00:34:59,664
Speaker 3: But I think without those final like three minute montage,

842
00:34:59,904 --> 00:35:01,624
Speaker 3: I don't think it would have felt like a finale

843
00:35:01,704 --> 00:35:04,904
Speaker 3: and the end of these characters. Really, for me, I

844
00:35:04,904 --> 00:35:05,904
Speaker 3: would not have expected that.

845
00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,464
Speaker 2: Oh I don't say that. I know, but I cried

846
00:35:08,824 --> 00:35:09,344
Speaker 2: so much.

847
00:35:09,384 --> 00:35:11,104
Speaker 1: But I wasn't crying for this episode except for the

848
00:35:11,144 --> 00:35:14,824
Speaker 1: bathroom seeing that. Okay, can we talk about the bathroom sea?

849
00:35:14,944 --> 00:35:18,024
Speaker 2: Okay? Okay, Now I haven't seen it, so I can't comment.

850
00:35:18,104 --> 00:35:20,264
Speaker 1: People were very disgusted by it. If you don't know,

851
00:35:20,344 --> 00:35:23,584
Speaker 1: there's pool everywhere, I'm going to grace you out. Even

852
00:35:23,624 --> 00:35:26,624
Speaker 1: more so, I read this interview with the prop master,

853
00:35:27,224 --> 00:35:31,184
Speaker 1: So the prop Master's name is Michael Clay, and he

854
00:35:31,224 --> 00:35:33,984
Speaker 1: said that when Michael Patrick King came to him that

855
00:35:34,144 --> 00:35:35,744
Speaker 1: there was going to be a lot of pooh. It

856
00:35:35,784 --> 00:35:39,744
Speaker 1: was like this metaphor for the shit that the characters

857
00:35:39,744 --> 00:35:41,024
Speaker 1: had gone through, which I think is a bit of

858
00:35:41,024 --> 00:35:43,584
Speaker 1: a stretch. I think it's just gross. Now, the pooh

859
00:35:43,664 --> 00:35:45,904
Speaker 1: was made out of do you know, I don't want

860
00:35:45,904 --> 00:35:48,624
Speaker 1: to know. The pooh was made out of modeling clay,

861
00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:51,224
Speaker 1: which was the top bit. Then what they did is

862
00:35:51,304 --> 00:35:55,304
Speaker 1: mixed in a bucket brand muffins, vanilla ice cream, chocolate syrup,

863
00:35:55,944 --> 00:35:59,464
Speaker 1: Lubner which is like yogurt, and then like lots of

864
00:35:59,544 --> 00:36:02,064
Speaker 1: water and they mixed it all in a bucket. One

865
00:36:02,104 --> 00:36:04,704
Speaker 1: of the quotes was I wanted it to be really chunky.

866
00:36:04,984 --> 00:36:08,704
Speaker 2: That's so disgusting. Why would sorry. This also fits with

867
00:36:08,744 --> 00:36:10,904
Speaker 2: a theory this wasn't supposed to be the lastpisode because

868
00:36:10,904 --> 00:36:13,824
Speaker 2: if this is the last episode the most glamorous series,

869
00:36:13,864 --> 00:36:16,464
Speaker 2: the show that you have devoted, like, yes, this show

870
00:36:16,624 --> 00:36:18,424
Speaker 2: means a lot to us, but it means a lot

871
00:36:18,464 --> 00:36:20,904
Speaker 2: more to Michael Patrick King and Sir Jessica Parker, who

872
00:36:21,024 --> 00:36:23,824
Speaker 2: this has shaped their entire lives and careers. They have

873
00:36:23,944 --> 00:36:26,544
Speaker 2: been doing this for decades. I just don't think that

874
00:36:26,584 --> 00:36:28,984
Speaker 2: would have been their biggest thought going into the final

875
00:36:29,024 --> 00:36:30,864
Speaker 2: episode if they knew it was the final episode. And

876
00:36:30,864 --> 00:36:33,344
Speaker 2: also a note to mister Michael Patrick King, who I love.

877
00:36:33,344 --> 00:36:35,184
Speaker 2: That man has given me so much. But at the

878
00:36:35,184 --> 00:36:38,704
Speaker 2: same time, here's mismanagement of this season one. People are

879
00:36:38,704 --> 00:36:40,264
Speaker 2: saying that the show was too expensive to make, and

880
00:36:40,304 --> 00:36:42,704
Speaker 2: we can tell because of that situation, which I'm sure

881
00:36:42,744 --> 00:36:45,384
Speaker 2: was very expensive, and also the fact that half their

882
00:36:45,384 --> 00:36:48,384
Speaker 2: budget went to that stupid puppet of Giuseppe that took

883
00:36:48,504 --> 00:36:50,664
Speaker 2: like over a year to make for one stupid joke

884
00:36:50,704 --> 00:36:52,944
Speaker 2: that didn't work. That is a mismanagement of funds. I

885
00:36:52,984 --> 00:36:54,664
Speaker 2: don't want to say that's why the show was canceled,

886
00:36:54,824 --> 00:36:56,464
Speaker 2: but it feels like that's why the show was canceled.

887
00:36:56,584 --> 00:36:59,064
Speaker 3: I would agree with that also because I feel there

888
00:36:59,104 --> 00:37:00,744
Speaker 3: are so many scenes that were added in throughout the

889
00:37:00,744 --> 00:37:02,104
Speaker 3: season and like, I love it, and just like that,

890
00:37:02,144 --> 00:37:02,824
Speaker 3: I don't hate watch it.

891
00:37:02,864 --> 00:37:04,144
Speaker 2: I genuinely love watch it.

892
00:37:04,184 --> 00:37:05,784
Speaker 3: I treat it and I know you do, and I

893
00:37:05,784 --> 00:37:07,344
Speaker 3: treat it as like it's a bit different to Sex

894
00:37:07,344 --> 00:37:09,304
Speaker 3: in the City, but I love it. There's so many

895
00:37:09,344 --> 00:37:10,944
Speaker 3: scenes in it where you go.

896
00:37:11,224 --> 00:37:12,064
Speaker 2: You were on location.

897
00:37:12,264 --> 00:37:14,544
Speaker 3: You hired an entire staff to be here for this

898
00:37:14,584 --> 00:37:16,944
Speaker 3: one scene of Sema in a different location and her

899
00:37:16,944 --> 00:37:18,704
Speaker 3: hair is burnt in a fire and she delivers some

900
00:37:18,744 --> 00:37:20,384
Speaker 3: weird dialogue and that's the end of the scene. And

901
00:37:20,384 --> 00:37:22,904
Speaker 3: it added nothing the funds that would have been used

902
00:37:22,904 --> 00:37:25,144
Speaker 3: on useless scenes throughout Misspanish.

903
00:37:25,304 --> 00:37:27,944
Speaker 2: I just think that Michael Patrick King just forgot why

904
00:37:28,104 --> 00:37:30,264
Speaker 2: we loved this show, because he keeps giving us throughout

905
00:37:30,264 --> 00:37:32,744
Speaker 2: the season little tastes like why did we never have

906
00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:35,704
Speaker 2: a conversation that we got to see with Carrie and

907
00:37:35,744 --> 00:37:38,344
Speaker 2: her best friends after the Aiden break up? Like we

908
00:37:38,384 --> 00:37:40,584
Speaker 2: never saw them had that debrief. We never got to

909
00:37:40,624 --> 00:37:43,144
Speaker 2: see her tell them like about Aiden sleeping with his

910
00:37:43,184 --> 00:37:44,984
Speaker 2: ex wife. For all these big moments.

911
00:37:45,104 --> 00:37:49,224
Speaker 1: We also never saw any sort of throwback to be Yeah,

912
00:37:49,224 --> 00:37:51,304
Speaker 1: I think they forgot that part. Well. I think there

913
00:37:51,344 --> 00:37:52,584
Speaker 1: was a little bit to do with the fact that

914
00:37:52,664 --> 00:37:57,904
Speaker 1: Chris Notath had that yeah allegations, Yeah yeah, but you know,

915
00:37:58,064 --> 00:38:00,344
Speaker 1: you spent twenty years with this man or whatever it was,

916
00:38:00,424 --> 00:38:02,824
Speaker 1: and then Aiden comes along and you think he's the

917
00:38:02,864 --> 00:38:05,384
Speaker 1: best scene and then BIG's gone and your grief is

918
00:38:05,424 --> 00:38:08,864
Speaker 1: gone for him, and you don't they never mentioned him.

919
00:38:08,584 --> 00:38:10,384
Speaker 2: Yeah, except all that they made that one line, and

920
00:38:10,424 --> 00:38:12,584
Speaker 2: I think it was in season two where Carrie and

921
00:38:12,584 --> 00:38:14,824
Speaker 2: Miranda walking again. Those walk and talk scenes or the

922
00:38:14,824 --> 00:38:16,864
Speaker 2: girls having cocktails are always the best, and they've been

923
00:38:16,904 --> 00:38:19,104
Speaker 2: so few and far between the season, but when they

924
00:38:19,144 --> 00:38:21,584
Speaker 2: had them, they hit so hard where Carrie's like was big,

925
00:38:21,624 --> 00:38:24,224
Speaker 2: just a big mistake and that's never addressed again, I know.

926
00:38:24,224 --> 00:38:26,224
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean, Like she just says that

927
00:38:26,224 --> 00:38:29,264
Speaker 1: the last twenty years of their relationship was a mistake.

928
00:38:29,384 --> 00:38:30,904
Speaker 1: Like what what? What's hard?

929
00:38:30,944 --> 00:38:32,904
Speaker 2: Because the thing is when you listen to the writer's

930
00:38:33,024 --> 00:38:35,264
Speaker 2: room podcasts that I do, which is Michael Patrick King

931
00:38:35,264 --> 00:38:37,304
Speaker 2: and the writers who do each episode, and they, in

932
00:38:37,424 --> 00:38:41,664
Speaker 2: painstaking detail explain every decision, why they did it, Why

933
00:38:41,704 --> 00:38:44,464
Speaker 2: this person's doing that, here's the backstory you didn't see,

934
00:38:44,584 --> 00:38:45,984
Speaker 2: and when you have them in your head, it does

935
00:38:46,144 --> 00:38:48,384
Speaker 2: make more sense. But again, again not to shoot on

936
00:38:48,384 --> 00:38:50,944
Speaker 2: Michael Patrick kinks. I do love him, but I also

937
00:38:50,984 --> 00:38:53,024
Speaker 2: think again I just want to take him aside and say,

938
00:38:53,624 --> 00:38:55,944
Speaker 2: if you have to explain it that much, if you

939
00:38:56,024 --> 00:38:59,024
Speaker 2: need a companion podcast for over an hour to explain

940
00:38:59,104 --> 00:39:01,984
Speaker 2: every decision your character's mean because you couldn't get that

941
00:39:02,024 --> 00:39:03,584
Speaker 2: across on screen, then you need to look at your

942
00:39:03,624 --> 00:39:07,304
Speaker 2: storytelling devices in saying that, though we had obviously some

943
00:39:07,384 --> 00:39:10,344
Speaker 2: nice moments with like the three Core girls in those

944
00:39:10,464 --> 00:39:12,784
Speaker 2: last two episodes, like they were all sitting at Carrie's

945
00:39:12,824 --> 00:39:15,704
Speaker 2: house having the cocktails, the three way phone call when

946
00:39:15,704 --> 00:39:19,224
Speaker 2: they found out Brady had impregnated someone classic like Sex

947
00:39:19,264 --> 00:39:20,544
Speaker 2: and the City callback.

948
00:39:20,464 --> 00:39:22,864
Speaker 3: And I think it does make it clear that this

949
00:39:23,064 --> 00:39:25,224
Speaker 3: was not intended as the last episode to me, because

950
00:39:25,224 --> 00:39:27,264
Speaker 3: they didn't have a single scene of the three of

951
00:39:27,264 --> 00:39:30,104
Speaker 3: them together in the final episode. But what you're saying

952
00:39:30,104 --> 00:39:32,744
Speaker 3: about it having been cut in half, then technically they

953
00:39:32,744 --> 00:39:34,464
Speaker 3: were supposed to have one in this episode and they

954
00:39:34,504 --> 00:39:36,784
Speaker 3: just didn't. But so I just don't think you intended

955
00:39:36,824 --> 00:39:38,544
Speaker 3: to end something without giving me a scene with all

956
00:39:38,544 --> 00:39:40,264
Speaker 3: of them in that they like almost had it they

957
00:39:40,264 --> 00:39:40,904
Speaker 3: had four of them.

958
00:39:42,944 --> 00:39:45,664
Speaker 2: It was just so strange. A few things were mishandled,

959
00:39:45,664 --> 00:39:48,104
Speaker 2: and I just wish they had got a full final

960
00:39:48,184 --> 00:39:50,664
Speaker 2: season that they knew that was coming, so they could

961
00:39:50,704 --> 00:39:52,904
Speaker 2: have wrapped up all these stories. Because the last episode

962
00:39:52,904 --> 00:39:54,384
Speaker 2: of Sex and the City, and I know we shouldn't

963
00:39:54,384 --> 00:39:56,664
Speaker 2: compare them, but the last episode of Sex and the City,

964
00:39:56,864 --> 00:39:58,984
Speaker 2: whether you agree with it or not, is so beautifully

965
00:39:58,984 --> 00:40:02,784
Speaker 2: done and everyone, every single character gets this beautiful wrap

966
00:40:02,904 --> 00:40:06,064
Speaker 2: up moment. And but then you still end with Carrie

967
00:40:06,144 --> 00:40:08,704
Speaker 2: kind of walking down the street by herself. And so

968
00:40:09,064 --> 00:40:11,184
Speaker 2: there is that kind of like beautiful imagery for that

969
00:40:11,304 --> 00:40:13,664
Speaker 2: show that I feel like what you're saying, like they

970
00:40:13,744 --> 00:40:15,424
Speaker 2: tried to have it in the season. They tried to

971
00:40:15,464 --> 00:40:18,704
Speaker 2: have Carrie dancing around her home in the beautiful tul

972
00:40:18,824 --> 00:40:20,904
Speaker 2: So it's a callback to the first episode in the

973
00:40:20,944 --> 00:40:23,784
Speaker 2: sequence like classically Carrie, which I did love.

974
00:40:24,024 --> 00:40:26,984
Speaker 1: And the final line being the woman realized she was

975
00:40:27,024 --> 00:40:29,384
Speaker 1: not alone, she was on her own.

976
00:40:29,824 --> 00:40:31,504
Speaker 2: Can I just say one point on that, And this

977
00:40:31,544 --> 00:40:33,064
Speaker 2: is when I started crying. Well, I was crying all

978
00:40:33,104 --> 00:40:34,904
Speaker 2: the way through, crying for the characters, not for this

979
00:40:34,944 --> 00:40:36,544
Speaker 2: episode which I had to cover my eyes in. But

980
00:40:37,504 --> 00:40:39,904
Speaker 2: part of me did love that it ended up with

981
00:40:40,064 --> 00:40:42,384
Speaker 2: Carrie as a single woman. Not because I think it's

982
00:40:42,384 --> 00:40:44,624
Speaker 2: better to be married or single, there's one that's better

983
00:40:44,664 --> 00:40:47,264
Speaker 2: than the other. It's just that Darren Starr, who was

984
00:40:47,304 --> 00:40:49,424
Speaker 2: the original show runner for Sex and the City and

985
00:40:49,504 --> 00:40:52,424
Speaker 2: Candice Bushnell, who wrote the original Sex and the City

986
00:40:52,464 --> 00:40:55,024
Speaker 2: books and Carry is based on her. When they first

987
00:40:55,104 --> 00:40:58,304
Speaker 2: got together to make the show, they always pictured that

988
00:40:58,384 --> 00:41:00,464
Speaker 2: Carrie would end up single at the end of the show.

989
00:41:00,504 --> 00:41:01,264
Speaker 1: That was their goal.

990
00:41:01,704 --> 00:41:04,064
Speaker 2: And then when different writers came in and Michael Patrick

991
00:41:04,144 --> 00:41:06,504
Speaker 2: King wanted to really be about like who would she

992
00:41:06,584 --> 00:41:08,704
Speaker 2: choose Petrofsky, You're big, and that's the way they went.

993
00:41:09,144 --> 00:41:10,944
Speaker 2: So as I was watching that and I was seeing

994
00:41:10,984 --> 00:41:14,104
Speaker 2: Carrie had that moment, I did have this beautiful thought like, Oh,

995
00:41:14,184 --> 00:41:17,664
Speaker 2: that original Carrie who existed in like imaginations before she

996
00:41:17,744 --> 00:41:20,704
Speaker 2: was a character. She has somehow through this like wild

997
00:41:20,824 --> 00:41:22,944
Speaker 2: world of sex and scene and just like that ended

998
00:41:23,024 --> 00:41:26,064
Speaker 2: up exactly where she was always supposed to be. And

999
00:41:26,104 --> 00:41:28,104
Speaker 2: so I kind of loved that. I did really like

1000
00:41:28,104 --> 00:41:28,904
Speaker 2: a beautiful ending.

1001
00:41:28,984 --> 00:41:30,464
Speaker 3: I thought it was beautiful, and like, as much as

1002
00:41:30,464 --> 00:41:31,824
Speaker 3: I say, I don't think they planned it, I do

1003
00:41:31,904 --> 00:41:34,344
Speaker 3: think that was possibly a reshoot or an additional or

1004
00:41:34,344 --> 00:41:36,664
Speaker 3: something like. I did think it really beautifully wrapped it up.

1005
00:41:36,704 --> 00:41:39,224
Speaker 3: It helped tie together everything and it was a nice scene.

1006
00:41:39,224 --> 00:41:41,624
Speaker 2: And I think loneliness and the concept of being scared

1007
00:41:41,664 --> 00:41:44,344
Speaker 2: of being alone did feature so much insex and the scene.

1008
00:41:44,424 --> 00:41:46,224
Speaker 3: But they were obviously like younger and they were on

1009
00:41:46,264 --> 00:41:48,104
Speaker 3: the dating scene and then they found their people, so

1010
00:41:48,384 --> 00:41:50,384
Speaker 3: to end up back at this place where it was

1011
00:41:50,424 --> 00:41:53,544
Speaker 3: something that terrified her through this episode and then she's going, oh,

1012
00:41:53,584 --> 00:41:55,744
Speaker 3: I'm actually just like on my own and that's okay.

1013
00:41:55,824 --> 00:41:57,864
Speaker 1: It was really lovely and we get a little throwback

1014
00:41:57,904 --> 00:42:00,264
Speaker 1: for the two. Two we do, so I think that

1015
00:42:00,344 --> 00:42:02,864
Speaker 1: made a lot of people happy. Then I'm like Mollie

1016
00:42:02,904 --> 00:42:04,864
Speaker 1: Roger says that she doesn't that that was just a

1017
00:42:04,864 --> 00:42:07,304
Speaker 1: happy accident, so I'm confused, But I.

1018
00:42:07,304 --> 00:42:08,904
Speaker 2: Also think it was just a way to end the

1019
00:42:08,944 --> 00:42:11,704
Speaker 2: season that ended up being a special moment that she

1020
00:42:11,784 --> 00:42:13,664
Speaker 2: was in the two too. So like, overall, I know

1021
00:42:13,704 --> 00:42:16,424
Speaker 2: we've said some bad stuff, but overall, I am so

1022
00:42:16,584 --> 00:42:19,144
Speaker 2: thankful that and just like that existed. I wish it

1023
00:42:19,144 --> 00:42:21,624
Speaker 2: would gone for five more seasons, but I'm just so

1024
00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:22,544
Speaker 2: happy we had it.

1025
00:42:22,864 --> 00:42:24,984
Speaker 3: Me too, I think it was charming and lovely. Even

1026
00:42:24,984 --> 00:42:26,584
Speaker 3: if there were moments maybe we all would.

1027
00:42:26,384 --> 00:42:29,864
Speaker 1: Have cheted agreed one more, just like come on one

1028
00:42:29,984 --> 00:42:31,904
Speaker 1: most four would have been good. I think four would

1029
00:42:31,944 --> 00:42:33,624
Speaker 1: have been nice. I've just so many loose hands and

1030
00:42:33,664 --> 00:42:36,504
Speaker 1: I really want to Yeah, I say never.

1031
00:42:36,664 --> 00:42:39,624
Speaker 2: You never know. Carrie Brashaw, she does unexpected things.

1032
00:42:39,744 --> 00:42:44,824
Speaker 1: We get another that that would beautiful. Thank you so

1033
00:42:44,904 --> 00:42:46,264
Speaker 1: much for listening to this bill today.

1034
00:42:46,304 --> 00:42:46,704
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00:42:46,944 --> 00:42:49,864
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1037
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1038
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1039
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1040
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1041
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1042
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1043
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