WEBVTT - The Moment That Kickstarted Jennifer Lopez’s Downfall 0:00:11.104 --> 0:00:14.144 So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. 0:00:14.784 --> 0:00:18.664 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 0:00:18.744 --> 0:00:20.544 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:25.304 --> 0:00:28.024 From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill your daily pop 0:00:28.064 --> 0:00:30.824 culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm a venom. And 0:00:30.944 --> 0:00:32.784 on today's show, we have some big things to talk 0:00:32.824 --> 0:00:35.824 about the changing landscape of celebrity interviews. 0:00:35.904 --> 0:00:36.984 You've got some juice on that. 0:00:37.104 --> 0:00:40.544 And also it's a devastating day for Jennifer Lopez. 0:00:40.784 --> 0:00:42.424 But more on that soon because. 0:00:42.184 --> 0:00:45.224 We have some breaking news we do Paul Mescal and 0:00:45.304 --> 0:00:50.184 Natalie Portman our dating. Yeah, borderline fake news headline. We 0:00:50.224 --> 0:00:52.024 don't do that here. We don't do fake news. What 0:00:52.064 --> 0:00:55.184 we do do is report on what we see and 0:00:55.344 --> 0:00:57.984 what on the facts and what we've seen as well 0:00:57.984 --> 0:01:01.704 as the rest of the world. Is some photographs of 0:01:01.864 --> 0:01:04.784 Natalie Portman and Paul Mescal. I'm going to say the word, 0:01:04.864 --> 0:01:08.384 I think they're flirty photographs. So they were photographed together 0:01:08.504 --> 0:01:12.064 outside a London bar sharing a cigarette. Not sharing a cigarette. 0:01:12.064 --> 0:01:13.904 They were both having their each individual cigarettes. They can 0:01:13.904 --> 0:01:17.904 fall their own cigarettes over here. They were having a cigarette, laughing, 0:01:18.184 --> 0:01:20.384 dressed very casually and the. 0:01:20.384 --> 0:01:22.864 Training is very similar. Right Yeah, Well. 0:01:22.664 --> 0:01:24.864 Paul meschal only wears white T shirt. Yeah that's what 0:01:24.904 --> 0:01:25.184 he's name. 0:01:25.264 --> 0:01:27.024 But she had like a white T shirt and jeans 0:01:27.024 --> 0:01:29.384 and a right as well. They both did. I mean 0:01:29.384 --> 0:01:30.304 that's the normal outset. 0:01:30.304 --> 0:01:31.144 I think they had like. 0:01:31.064 --> 0:01:35.064 A very casual London Sunday pub lunch and then they 0:01:35.144 --> 0:01:37.984 both just had a cigarette outside, shared some thoughts, shared 0:01:37.984 --> 0:01:39.904 some feelings with each other, had a bit of a giggle, 0:01:39.944 --> 0:01:40.864 and then went. 0:01:40.704 --> 0:01:41.384 On with their day. 0:01:41.784 --> 0:01:44.864 What happened then was the Internet got hold of these 0:01:44.864 --> 0:01:49.064 photos and now there are rumors spreading that Natalie Portman 0:01:49.424 --> 0:01:51.624 and Paul Meskal are dating. 0:01:52.304 --> 0:01:53.424 Do we think they're dating? 0:01:53.584 --> 0:01:57.024 I'm not too sure. She did recently finalize her divorce 0:01:57.224 --> 0:02:01.824 with her ex husband Benjamin Millipede. That happened in March. 0:02:01.904 --> 0:02:05.544 He hasn't been spotted in a romantic entanglement publicly since 0:02:05.544 --> 0:02:07.864 twenty twenty two, I want to say with Phoebe Bridges. 0:02:08.144 --> 0:02:11.144 So they both are seen like publicly sing, and I 0:02:11.144 --> 0:02:13.384 think that's what everyone's running with. I also do want 0:02:13.424 --> 0:02:16.504 to point out that last year they did Actors on 0:02:16.584 --> 0:02:19.464 Actors together, yes, for Vanity Fair, and I feel like 0:02:19.544 --> 0:02:22.584 now everyone's rewatching that interview where they interviewed each other 0:02:22.824 --> 0:02:25.944 through more of a rose tinted lens, going, oh, yeah, 0:02:26.024 --> 0:02:28.024 they're definitely hardcore in love with each other. 0:02:28.384 --> 0:02:30.944 See I don't think they're dating, only because it was 0:02:30.984 --> 0:02:32.824 so blatantly public and they. 0:02:32.984 --> 0:02:36.624 Poor Mescal news updates. 0:02:35.384 --> 0:02:37.704 Like where's that man going to be? What's he doing? 0:02:37.784 --> 0:02:38.304 You just never know. 0:02:38.344 --> 0:02:39.784 If you step outside your home, you're just going to 0:02:39.864 --> 0:02:41.624 have a poor Mescal siding, as the people at this 0:02:41.664 --> 0:02:42.664 pub would have found. 0:02:42.424 --> 0:02:46.064 Out, and you as well personally. Yes, very infamous stories. 0:02:46.104 --> 0:02:47.464 There was a thing at some point where he's like, 0:02:47.504 --> 0:02:49.464 you'll just look outside and see poor Mescal because he 0:02:49.504 --> 0:02:51.784 was just popping up at random places. And I won't 0:02:51.784 --> 0:02:53.424 say which pub because I'll give way where I live, 0:02:53.504 --> 0:02:55.904 but in case someone cares, no one does. I did 0:02:55.904 --> 0:02:57.664 look at my window one day, and indeed I did 0:02:57.704 --> 0:02:59.504 see Poor Mescal at the pub across the roads. 0:02:59.544 --> 0:03:00.624 That was cute. Fact. 0:03:00.664 --> 0:03:02.664 You didn't tell me, like I just wanted to be clear. 0:03:02.704 --> 0:03:04.144 We won't say where we live, but we live very 0:03:04.144 --> 0:03:06.624 close to each other. Yeah, I could have been there 0:03:06.624 --> 0:03:07.104 in five days. 0:03:07.144 --> 0:03:09.344 I hear him running through the streets of Sydney CBD 0:03:09.944 --> 0:03:11.824 he running, Well, it's true, he. 0:03:11.944 --> 0:03:13.944 Could have run to him and shown off my running strair. 0:03:13.984 --> 0:03:15.984 As a rumor, he has a one night stand with 0:03:16.024 --> 0:03:17.464 him and the next day takes him for a walk 0:03:17.504 --> 0:03:19.664 and then runs away, which again I don't think is true. 0:03:20.504 --> 0:03:22.744 Why I don't think they're dating is because it was 0:03:22.864 --> 0:03:24.784 so casually out in the public. 0:03:24.824 --> 0:03:26.064 They just looked like they didn't care. 0:03:26.104 --> 0:03:27.784 If you were trying to keep a relationship like that 0:03:27.864 --> 0:03:30.104 under wraps, you don't have those photos taken. 0:03:30.264 --> 0:03:32.824 Maybe that's why they are dating, because they were like unweaving. 0:03:33.224 --> 0:03:34.664 That's weaving too much for a web. 0:03:34.864 --> 0:03:37.264 But I think also people are just always very invested 0:03:37.384 --> 0:03:39.624 in who he is dating, like he's become the internet's 0:03:40.024 --> 0:03:42.424 like boyfriend, Yeah, but fall back boyfriend. If a girl 0:03:42.464 --> 0:03:44.264 has like a bit of a tough time, oh my god, 0:03:44.264 --> 0:03:45.424 a cool friend. 0:03:45.344 --> 0:03:46.904 Poor back girlfriend. I could not look. 0:03:46.984 --> 0:03:48.864 It's not a bad thing. It's more so they're just like, oh, 0:03:48.864 --> 0:03:50.544 she's had a rough time, she's to go date. Poor 0:03:50.624 --> 0:03:51.224 mascot was. 0:03:51.184 --> 0:03:52.104 Like, then you're Pete Davidton. 0:03:52.504 --> 0:03:54.744 Yeah in a way, but like the softer, gentler, kind 0:03:54.784 --> 0:03:57.224 of soft boy version of that. And I think also 0:03:57.464 --> 0:03:59.704 because of what happened Natalie Portman is you know that 0:03:59.744 --> 0:04:01.744 whole thing came out about her husband cheating on her, 0:04:01.984 --> 0:04:04.184 and it was so intense, and they divorced, and there's 0:04:04.224 --> 0:04:06.104 this whole thing of her looking after the kid's solo, 0:04:06.544 --> 0:04:08.504 and so everyone kind of rallied behind her and just 0:04:08.544 --> 0:04:10.504 wanted her to have a hot fleing. And so we 0:04:10.504 --> 0:04:13.024 saw her smoking outside with Paul. We're like, that's the 0:04:13.024 --> 0:04:18.584 guy she deserves. After thought boyfriend, No, the fallback boyfriend, 0:04:19.224 --> 0:04:21.264 I say, a lovely way. It's like you fall into 0:04:21.344 --> 0:04:23.344 poor Mescal, you have a lovely time, and then you 0:04:23.424 --> 0:04:25.904 move on. That's much nicer than his current reputation of 0:04:25.984 --> 0:04:27.024 running away from people. 0:04:27.224 --> 0:04:29.944 I like the running lie. So anyway, I actually hope 0:04:29.944 --> 0:04:31.304 they had a night of hot, lovely sex. 0:04:32.384 --> 0:04:34.104 One night's stat they'll do it again. 0:04:34.144 --> 0:04:36.344 I think they probably just had a hot Publim's not 0:04:36.384 --> 0:04:37.544 a hot sexy affair. 0:04:40.504 --> 0:04:43.384 Hello, Vanity Fair. My name is Ioadebris. You may know 0:04:43.464 --> 0:04:47.664 me as an actor, writer, producer, but what you may 0:04:47.704 --> 0:04:49.744 not know is that I went to law school for 0:04:49.824 --> 0:04:53.184 seventeen years. I'm here to judge the drama of people 0:04:53.184 --> 0:04:54.144 who I do not know. 0:04:54.544 --> 0:04:59.624 Iowa Debris is my latest celebrity obsession. She is Vanity 0:04:59.664 --> 0:05:02.184 Fair's June cover this year, and for the past few weeks, 0:05:02.264 --> 0:05:04.144 Vanity Fair, like they do with all their covers, I've 0:05:04.184 --> 0:05:07.384 been releasing little interview snippets, like little fun, quirky interviews. 0:05:07.584 --> 0:05:10.224 They do this to promote the cover. So one in 0:05:10.464 --> 0:05:12.544 you wish piece of content they did was I put 0:05:12.544 --> 0:05:16.184 out a video called Vanity Fair and Square Love a 0:05:16.224 --> 0:05:19.304 plan on words. Over here, they had IO act as 0:05:19.384 --> 0:05:22.584 kind of a judge, listening in on people's petty problems, 0:05:22.624 --> 0:05:27.384 things like my boyfriend's liking Instagram models, videos and photos 0:05:27.384 --> 0:05:29.824 on Instagram. Should I be upset or not? 0:05:30.264 --> 0:05:30.344 So? 0:05:30.704 --> 0:05:32.824 Kind of like really petty stuff, kind of like everyday 0:05:32.824 --> 0:05:34.344 stuff that we go through. I feel like I've had 0:05:34.384 --> 0:05:37.624 this exact same dilemma. Here is a snippet of what 0:05:37.664 --> 0:05:38.104 she said. 0:05:39.184 --> 0:05:42.944 So, I noticed that my boyfriend follows this popular model 0:05:42.984 --> 0:05:47.264 on Instagram, which is totally fine, but he started to 0:05:47.264 --> 0:05:52.264 comment publicly on her posts, and is that okay? It's 0:05:52.304 --> 0:05:54.664 almost always a fire emoji. 0:05:55.984 --> 0:05:57.624 I have a rudict already. 0:05:58.584 --> 0:06:01.424 Your boyfriend is through the streets. Mail is a yoga 0:06:01.624 --> 0:06:02.904 and he's through the streets. 0:06:03.384 --> 0:06:05.904 The reality of taking videos out a concert is you 0:06:06.064 --> 0:06:09.104 literally are never going to watch it like ever in 0:06:09.144 --> 0:06:09.704 your life. 0:06:09.744 --> 0:06:11.104 But what should we do about that? 0:06:11.304 --> 0:06:13.184 Systematically? Structurally? 0:06:13.384 --> 0:06:15.064 If it were up to me, if I read the 0:06:15.104 --> 0:06:16.504 Supreme Court, but I'm not. 0:06:16.744 --> 0:06:18.384 I'm only iOS Court. 0:06:18.544 --> 0:06:20.464 But if I was in a Supreme Court, I would 0:06:20.624 --> 0:06:24.704 make it so that artists have to release concert DVDs. Again, 0:06:24.824 --> 0:06:27.824 remember watching a concert VHS or concert DVD. 0:06:27.984 --> 0:06:29.184 How fun that was. 0:06:29.704 --> 0:06:31.384 To the person who submitted this message. 0:06:31.384 --> 0:06:32.504 I don't know how to tell you this, but your 0:06:32.504 --> 0:06:38.064 father hasn't murdered people before. There are bodies in the ground. 0:06:39.504 --> 0:06:42.664 So watching these interviews right off the bat, you can 0:06:42.704 --> 0:06:46.824 tell that she is thriving in this environment. She's been 0:06:46.864 --> 0:06:50.504 given full reign with very little direction, and she comes 0:06:50.624 --> 0:06:53.824 across super down to earth, super candid, super funny. We 0:06:53.944 --> 0:06:56.584 have talked about these style of interviews on the spill before. 0:06:56.624 --> 0:06:59.864 We've talked about first Weave Feeds, Hot Ones, which one Evans, 0:06:59.904 --> 0:07:02.504 We've talked about Amelia de Moldenberg, who does Chicken Shop Date. 0:07:02.784 --> 0:07:06.424 It's like this new sort of wave of interviewing where 0:07:06.744 --> 0:07:10.824 I think mainly the younger generation of actors and celebrities. 0:07:10.824 --> 0:07:13.704 I want to say on the thirty it's arriving in 0:07:13.744 --> 0:07:16.464 these environments, and I always one of them. You might 0:07:16.544 --> 0:07:19.144 know her from The Bear, which is a drama comedy 0:07:19.224 --> 0:07:22.304 series leaned more heavily on the drama side, and she's 0:07:22.344 --> 0:07:24.784 won a few Emmys and a lot of awards for it, 0:07:24.864 --> 0:07:27.584 I want to say, And all the interviews she's done 0:07:27.624 --> 0:07:30.584 about The Bear and her acting have been quite on 0:07:30.704 --> 0:07:34.664 the serious side, where they want to know about her upbringing, 0:07:34.984 --> 0:07:37.344 like her role in the industry, where she thinks of 0:07:37.384 --> 0:07:40.024 the industry, her role in The Bear. And this was 0:07:40.064 --> 0:07:42.264 the first interview where I've seen where they've given her 0:07:42.304 --> 0:07:44.984 full reins because she actually started off as a comedian. 0:07:45.544 --> 0:07:47.544 And this is the interview where I'm like, she is 0:07:47.744 --> 0:07:48.624 so funny? 0:07:48.824 --> 0:07:49.064 Where was? 0:07:49.064 --> 0:07:50.824 I feel like with the other interview she tries to 0:07:50.864 --> 0:07:52.904 still be her funny self, but it doesn't come across 0:07:52.944 --> 0:07:56.544 the same candid way. This interview, in particular, just shows 0:07:56.984 --> 0:07:59.944 that these big publications are now trying to reach a 0:07:59.984 --> 0:08:03.384 younger demographic. While doing that, they're running the risk of 0:08:03.424 --> 0:08:07.384 also excluding their overall audience. So Vanity Fair could have 0:08:07.464 --> 0:08:09.664 easily done one of those quirky interviews where they're like, 0:08:09.904 --> 0:08:13.584 never have I ever? Or like, who what where kind 0:08:13.584 --> 0:08:15.744 of things where we are so used to seeing from 0:08:15.784 --> 0:08:18.304 My Guest twenty fourteen, where these talk show hosts want 0:08:18.464 --> 0:08:21.144 to give something a bit more edgier and more fun 0:08:21.144 --> 0:08:23.744 with these celebrities, but they haven't fully gone into the 0:08:23.784 --> 0:08:26.464 deep end. And with this interview, I feel like they've 0:08:26.464 --> 0:08:28.744 gone into the deep end. They have me howling on 0:08:28.784 --> 0:08:30.744 the floor with this interview. I really employ you to 0:08:31.144 --> 0:08:33.544 go watch the whole thing, but I know someone like 0:08:33.624 --> 0:08:36.944 my mum wouldn't fully understand it to an extent. I mean, 0:08:36.944 --> 0:08:39.264 I think this works because of who she is, and 0:08:39.344 --> 0:08:42.104 a lot of these big publications when they tailor out 0:08:42.144 --> 0:08:46.024 these interviews, it's to the personality of the person that 0:08:46.024 --> 0:08:48.744 they're speaking to. And I guess with Vanity Fair they 0:08:48.744 --> 0:08:50.504 don't usually have like I mean, I know they do 0:08:50.504 --> 0:08:52.464 a huge amount of video rollout, but I think it's 0:08:52.464 --> 0:08:55.544 not as kind of set in stone as like with Vogue, 0:08:55.584 --> 0:08:57.344 have you know, like looked through your past outfits or 0:08:57.424 --> 0:09:00.144 seventy three questions all those kind of things, And then 0:09:00.224 --> 0:09:02.704 like Variety has like got actors on actors and the 0:09:02.744 --> 0:09:05.944 little snippets of them hanging out backstage and their elevator 0:09:06.024 --> 0:09:08.064 videos and stuff like that, whereas I feel like this 0:09:08.104 --> 0:09:10.504 is very tailored to her, and I think also this 0:09:10.624 --> 0:09:13.384 was like her biggest strength for award season, because she 0:09:13.464 --> 0:09:16.104 pretty much won every award for the Bear, and so 0:09:16.144 --> 0:09:18.904 many of her exception speeches did go viral for being 0:09:18.944 --> 0:09:19.504 funny member. 0:09:19.544 --> 0:09:20.224 She did shout out to the. 0:09:20.184 --> 0:09:23.184 Assistance, the only people who answer her her emails and 0:09:23.184 --> 0:09:23.944 who got her where. 0:09:23.864 --> 0:09:26.144 She was standing. Ovation Yeah, I mean also that was 0:09:26.184 --> 0:09:26.704 just a fact. 0:09:26.744 --> 0:09:28.464 But also on the red carpet, it also was a 0:09:28.464 --> 0:09:30.744 bit shitty because Jeremy Allen White had just put out 0:09:30.744 --> 0:09:33.584 that big first did that photo shoot where he's like 0:09:34.024 --> 0:09:37.704 shirtless on a couch. Was all very intense. She kept 0:09:37.704 --> 0:09:39.984 getting asked about that all the time and she's like, Kennyn, 0:09:40.064 --> 0:09:40.704 here's my coaster. 0:09:40.904 --> 0:09:42.344 Yeah, she was like, that's incestuous. 0:09:42.384 --> 0:09:44.384 But also ren when they asked her what she would 0:09:44.384 --> 0:09:46.584 go back and tell her former self, and she gave 0:09:46.584 --> 0:09:50.104 this bag. She gave this big breakdown about she would 0:09:50.104 --> 0:09:52.224 never do that because it affects the rules of time trouble, 0:09:53.704 --> 0:09:54.224 And so you. 0:09:54.184 --> 0:09:56.224 Can see like these interviewers who have been in the 0:09:56.224 --> 0:09:57.744 game for so long ago, what the hell. 0:09:58.264 --> 0:09:59.904 No, I don't think they do. I think they love 0:09:59.984 --> 0:10:01.664 stuff like that because they are. 0:10:01.464 --> 0:10:02.824 Kind of like a bit like I don't know where 0:10:02.864 --> 0:10:03.384 to go next. 0:10:03.584 --> 0:10:05.224 Well, it depends on the interviewer, but I think a 0:10:05.224 --> 0:10:07.144 lot of them like you're staying there for hours interviewing 0:10:07.224 --> 0:10:08.744 just because I'm now I'm always on the side of 0:10:08.744 --> 0:10:10.704 the interview because that's the world I know. And you 0:10:10.704 --> 0:10:12.824 want people to give these funny, offbeat answers because you've 0:10:12.824 --> 0:10:14.544 got one second to ask a question. You've got to 0:10:14.584 --> 0:10:16.904 stay with the very tried and tested ones because they're 0:10:16.904 --> 0:10:18.384 the ones that work on a red carpet. They're the 0:10:18.424 --> 0:10:20.384 ones that pr people have let go. So when someone 0:10:20.424 --> 0:10:22.584 says something like that, you're kind of like in your 0:10:22.584 --> 0:10:24.504 head like, yes, I know this is going to go viral. 0:10:24.584 --> 0:10:26.984 The person who's doing that is laughing while she's saying 0:10:27.024 --> 0:10:28.184 it because she just knows it's a. 0:10:28.184 --> 0:10:30.824 Good You can really see her age in those interviews, 0:10:30.824 --> 0:10:33.064 because I remember that one in particular, the whole cast 0:10:33.104 --> 0:10:34.864 her behind her, yeah, and they were all just kind 0:10:34.864 --> 0:10:35.144 of like. 0:10:35.104 --> 0:10:37.864 What's going on, Yeah, and little Jeremaleen White's laughing to 0:10:37.904 --> 0:10:39.344 the side, and I was like, oh, sir, because you've 0:10:39.344 --> 0:10:40.904 never heard a joke before, because you don't. 0:10:40.704 --> 0:10:42.144 Make them just a certainly. 0:10:43.424 --> 0:10:45.664 My only little fear for Io, because I love her 0:10:45.704 --> 0:10:47.704 so much, is that we've seen this happen so many 0:10:47.744 --> 0:10:50.144 times before, where we build a woman up for being 0:10:50.184 --> 0:10:52.664 like so funny and so interesting it doesn't matter what 0:10:52.704 --> 0:10:55.464 age they are Jennifer Laurence effect exactly. And I'm just 0:10:55.544 --> 0:10:58.704 hoping that this contains itself and she has these little 0:10:58.744 --> 0:11:01.544 bursts of fame and like you know, notoriety for being 0:11:01.584 --> 0:11:03.744 funny and offbeat, and that it doesn't rise up to 0:11:03.824 --> 0:11:05.704 a level where people get really sick of her and 0:11:06.184 --> 0:11:07.504 blacklist her and start. 0:11:08.664 --> 0:11:11.904 Sorry, I forgot about Lawrenson and hath the way up. 0:11:12.104 --> 0:11:14.504 Yeah, one hundred percent. Even for a while that people 0:11:14.504 --> 0:11:16.144 were getting sick of Adele like you know, doing her 0:11:16.144 --> 0:11:18.584 press tours like she does one every ten years. Let 0:11:18.624 --> 0:11:20.384 the woman live and because she was, you know, being 0:11:20.424 --> 0:11:23.544 all funny and irreverent and stuff. So that's my only. 0:11:23.344 --> 0:11:25.064 Hope with her. But you know, I think she'll be okay, 0:11:25.104 --> 0:11:25.544 She'll be good. 0:11:25.544 --> 0:11:28.664 I want to see her and everything. Yeah, everyone coming 0:11:28.704 --> 0:11:32.904 up next, we are talking about Iodeber's nemesis, Jennifer Lopez. 0:11:32.944 --> 0:11:34.264 That's a bit of a stretch if you don't know 0:11:34.264 --> 0:11:35.784 what we're talking about. We'll linked in the show notes. 0:11:35.944 --> 0:11:38.944 We are talking about Jennifer Lopez and canceling her show 0:11:39.024 --> 0:11:39.904 and why she did it. 0:11:40.304 --> 0:11:45.144 Nana, Well, Jennifer Lopez is big. This is me dot 0:11:45.184 --> 0:11:48.664 dot dot now tour has been finally put out of 0:11:48.704 --> 0:11:51.184 its misery. That is the wording from Variety, not me, 0:11:51.584 --> 0:11:54.344 because the entire tour has been canceled and called off 0:11:54.384 --> 0:11:55.304 as of this weekend. 0:11:55.704 --> 0:11:56.424 So the news was. 0:11:56.424 --> 0:12:00.784 Broken to fans via the newsletter that Jennifer Lopez has 0:12:00.864 --> 0:12:01.664 called on the j LOO. 0:12:01.824 --> 0:12:03.504 I'm still subscribed to that, but I think it goes 0:12:03.544 --> 0:12:04.344 to my junk fold in there. 0:12:04.384 --> 0:12:04.464 Oh. 0:12:04.544 --> 0:12:06.024 I was going to say, you obviously missed this news, 0:12:06.024 --> 0:12:08.384 which I usually kind of make fun of because it's 0:12:08.424 --> 0:12:10.344 a data mining exercise that I haven't signed up for. 0:12:10.504 --> 0:12:11.824 But now it's not the time to get into that 0:12:11.864 --> 0:12:14.744 because the woman is going through something. So in her newsletter, 0:12:14.864 --> 0:12:17.664 Jennifer Lopez wrote that she had to cancel the entire 0:12:17.744 --> 0:12:20.704 tour and that she was completely heartsick and devastated about 0:12:20.744 --> 0:12:23.464 letting her fans down. She said she wouldn't do this 0:12:23.464 --> 0:12:26.584 if she didn't feel it was absolutely necessary, but she 0:12:26.704 --> 0:12:28.984 had to spend time with her family at this moment, 0:12:29.384 --> 0:12:31.624 and then she says, she promises she'll make it up 0:12:31.664 --> 0:12:33.744 to all of her fans and they'll be together again. 0:12:34.264 --> 0:12:36.544 I love you so much until next time. 0:12:36.824 --> 0:12:40.184 Oh that's quite sad and depressing. So she canceled the 0:12:40.224 --> 0:12:40.784 whole tour. 0:12:41.144 --> 0:12:43.824 Yes, the whole tour, So this goes back. The tour 0:12:43.864 --> 0:12:46.584 was announced in February, and around that time she had 0:12:46.584 --> 0:12:49.064 her two big movie releases. So she had her musical 0:12:49.144 --> 0:12:52.704 movie that was kind of like a wild not a 0:12:52.784 --> 0:12:55.584 music video, like a live you watched it right with 0:12:55.624 --> 0:12:57.664 all the different slurbs in there, and was like the 0:12:57.784 --> 0:12:59.464 dramatization of her new album. 0:12:59.704 --> 0:13:01.424 And then she had a documentary about that. 0:13:01.584 --> 0:13:02.384 Yeah, it was very matter. 0:13:02.744 --> 0:13:04.824 So all of these things that she's been releasing, the 0:13:04.864 --> 0:13:07.384 two different movies, the new album, the tour was all 0:13:07.504 --> 0:13:10.104 meant to be about her love story with Ben Affleck, 0:13:10.424 --> 0:13:12.664 the two of them getting back together. The movies were 0:13:12.704 --> 0:13:14.904 like quite well received. Like the first thing thing came 0:13:14.904 --> 0:13:18.024 out like she started strong. The musical movie came out, 0:13:18.104 --> 0:13:20.984 people like this is bonkers, this is insane, we love it. 0:13:21.024 --> 0:13:23.864 We dedicated a whole episode to it. The album came out, 0:13:23.904 --> 0:13:25.984 everyone's like hmm, like I couldn't tell you a. 0:13:25.864 --> 0:13:28.104 Song from that album. I don't think anyone really could. 0:13:28.504 --> 0:13:31.224 And then the documentary came out and a lot of 0:13:31.264 --> 0:13:34.144 moments that went viral but for wrong reasons about like 0:13:34.384 --> 0:13:37.144 people not wanting to be in the musical movie her 0:13:37.184 --> 0:13:40.824 and ben Affleck interacting her saying that she still felt 0:13:40.824 --> 0:13:42.704 like the little girl running up and down the Blanc, 0:13:42.744 --> 0:13:45.704 which started a whole, huge viral backlash about the fact 0:13:45.704 --> 0:13:47.664 that she was pretending to be poor and from the 0:13:47.664 --> 0:13:49.664 Bronx and she hadn't been that for many years, if 0:13:49.664 --> 0:13:52.104 at all, like she lived there, but like people were 0:13:52.104 --> 0:13:53.784 saying she wasn't poor, and people she went to high 0:13:53.784 --> 0:13:56.224 school with, we're digging up information about her. It was 0:13:56.264 --> 0:13:59.224 this whole, big, crazy thing. It escalated to this whole 0:13:59.224 --> 0:14:01.984 thing that she was rude and awful. Video started going viral, 0:14:02.024 --> 0:14:03.904 and then in the last couple of weeks we've seen 0:14:03.904 --> 0:14:06.464 all those intense rumors that she and ben Affleck are 0:14:06.504 --> 0:14:08.544 breaking up, and then the tour canceled. 0:14:09.064 --> 0:14:11.024 It feels like one of those things where like when 0:14:11.064 --> 0:14:13.904 something bad happens to someone, you're like, surely it can't 0:14:13.904 --> 0:14:15.784 get worse, and then it does, and then it does again. 0:14:15.864 --> 0:14:17.864 And then it does again. I haven't been a big 0:14:17.984 --> 0:14:20.664 j Loo fan for many reasons, a lot of them 0:14:20.704 --> 0:14:22.944 you've listed, but now it just feels icky. 0:14:23.184 --> 0:14:25.264 Say what you want about Jennifer Lopez, Like, I'm sure 0:14:25.264 --> 0:14:27.664 she's a diva. Most people who are at that level are. 0:14:28.104 --> 0:14:30.504 It's just that we've seen that story around her more 0:14:30.504 --> 0:14:33.464 than most people. And also, I think people are just 0:14:33.584 --> 0:14:35.944 reveling in her downfall because we kind of love to 0:14:35.984 --> 0:14:38.904 see a big, powerful woman and a diva, and it 0:14:38.904 --> 0:14:42.144 also feels for us, yeah, exactly, And I think there's 0:14:42.144 --> 0:14:44.384 this kind of like sick kind of fantasy that we 0:14:44.544 --> 0:14:47.544 love the disappointment of someone who's doing so well, who's 0:14:47.584 --> 0:14:50.744 moved away from being that beloved quirky and now it 0:14:50.784 --> 0:14:53.664 seems untouchable. So when she has a downfall, it kind 0:14:53.704 --> 0:14:56.184 of seems funny because lots of people are canceling their 0:14:56.184 --> 0:14:59.544 tours at the same time. The Black Keys canceled their 0:14:59.544 --> 0:15:01.744 tour for a similar reason that people are thinking is 0:15:01.744 --> 0:15:04.464 because the ticket sales weren't very high and they couldn't 0:15:04.464 --> 0:15:05.984 sell at those arenas, and a lot of them were 0:15:06.024 --> 0:15:08.424 same arenas that Jaylo was trying to sell out. And 0:15:08.464 --> 0:15:10.664 when that story came out, everyone was like, oh, you know, 0:15:11.024 --> 0:15:13.664 it's the cost of living crisis. Money is really tight. 0:15:14.184 --> 0:15:16.984 This is about the touring business, not about them, And 0:15:17.024 --> 0:15:18.584 so it just goes to show that, like with a 0:15:18.664 --> 0:15:20.704 male kind of rocked your you'll be like it's the 0:15:20.744 --> 0:15:23.144 fault of the business and the touring system. But with 0:15:23.264 --> 0:15:25.904 Jennifer Lopez, it's people hate her specifically. 0:15:26.464 --> 0:15:29.144 That's so interesting. I also think Jennifer Lopez is just 0:15:29.184 --> 0:15:32.224 like every other woman who's been in love, Like she 0:15:32.424 --> 0:15:34.944 loves love so much she made an album out of it, 0:15:35.024 --> 0:15:37.264 she made two movies out of it. Like that is 0:15:37.344 --> 0:15:40.944 the normal woman's equivalent of posting your boyfriend on Instagram. 0:15:41.064 --> 0:15:44.744 Yes, and that woman who posts like fifteen different jump. 0:15:44.624 --> 0:15:46.944 Everywhere she wants to show them off. She's like, my 0:15:47.064 --> 0:15:49.464 husband's hot, I want to show them off. And then 0:15:49.544 --> 0:15:52.304 like that relationship doesn't work. But because she's got j 0:15:52.464 --> 0:15:54.224 low money, she can't just delete the photos on the 0:15:54.224 --> 0:15:55.944 Instagram just to cancel tours. 0:15:56.304 --> 0:15:59.184 Yeah exactly, but I mean so many musical tours have 0:15:59.224 --> 0:16:00.824 been canceled. I mean we're seeing it here in Australia, 0:16:00.864 --> 0:16:03.784 which they know maybe along boat draw, but also so 0:16:03.864 --> 0:16:07.304 many musical festivals and events have been canceled. Is getting 0:16:07.344 --> 0:16:09.064 harder and harder to get a lot of big musical 0:16:09.104 --> 0:16:11.384 events out. I do think it's more than that. That 0:16:11.584 --> 0:16:14.864 just people weren't feeling this new music from her, and 0:16:14.864 --> 0:16:16.984 which is why early on she rebranded it to the 0:16:16.984 --> 0:16:19.664 greatest Hits, which I can I just say, take my money, 0:16:19.944 --> 0:16:22.264 I pay so much money. I've seen Jelly live before. 0:16:22.504 --> 0:16:24.704 She's amazing. She would see her. 0:16:24.704 --> 0:16:26.944 Of course, she's amazing. She's been a super stuff for 0:16:26.984 --> 0:16:28.264 twenty years. What does that mean? 0:16:28.504 --> 0:16:30.664 Yeah, I think she can pop some moves. 0:16:30.824 --> 0:16:32.464 I think she should come to Australia and do what 0:16:32.504 --> 0:16:34.784 Pink does and just do like a thirty. 0:16:35.064 --> 0:16:35.864 Yeah, we need. 0:16:38.544 --> 0:16:41.264