1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,304 --> 00:00:28,024 Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill your daily pop 5 00:00:28,064 --> 00:00:30,824 Speaker 3: culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm a venom. And 6 00:00:30,944 --> 00:00:32,784 Speaker 3: on today's show, we have some big things to talk 7 00:00:32,824 --> 00:00:35,824 Speaker 3: about the changing landscape of celebrity interviews. 8 00:00:35,904 --> 00:00:36,984 Speaker 2: You've got some juice on that. 9 00:00:37,104 --> 00:00:40,544 Speaker 3: And also it's a devastating day for Jennifer Lopez. 10 00:00:40,784 --> 00:00:42,424 Speaker 2: But more on that soon because. 11 00:00:42,184 --> 00:00:45,224 Speaker 4: We have some breaking news we do Paul Mescal and 12 00:00:45,304 --> 00:00:50,184 Speaker 4: Natalie Portman our dating. Yeah, borderline fake news headline. We 13 00:00:50,224 --> 00:00:52,024 Speaker 4: don't do that here. We don't do fake news. What 14 00:00:52,064 --> 00:00:55,184 Speaker 4: we do do is report on what we see and 15 00:00:55,344 --> 00:00:57,984 Speaker 4: what on the facts and what we've seen as well 16 00:00:57,984 --> 00:01:01,704 Speaker 4: as the rest of the world. Is some photographs of 17 00:01:01,864 --> 00:01:04,784 Speaker 4: Natalie Portman and Paul Mescal. I'm going to say the word, 18 00:01:04,864 --> 00:01:08,384 Speaker 4: I think they're flirty photographs. So they were photographed together 19 00:01:08,504 --> 00:01:12,064 Speaker 4: outside a London bar sharing a cigarette. Not sharing a cigarette. 20 00:01:12,064 --> 00:01:13,904 Speaker 4: They were both having their each individual cigarettes. They can 21 00:01:13,904 --> 00:01:17,904 Speaker 4: fall their own cigarettes over here. They were having a cigarette, laughing, 22 00:01:18,184 --> 00:01:20,384 Speaker 4: dressed very casually and the. 23 00:01:20,384 --> 00:01:22,864 Speaker 2: Training is very similar. Right Yeah, Well. 24 00:01:22,664 --> 00:01:24,864 Speaker 4: Paul meschal only wears white T shirt. Yeah that's what 25 00:01:24,904 --> 00:01:25,184 Speaker 4: he's name. 26 00:01:25,264 --> 00:01:27,024 Speaker 3: But she had like a white T shirt and jeans 27 00:01:27,024 --> 00:01:29,384 Speaker 3: and a right as well. They both did. I mean 28 00:01:29,384 --> 00:01:30,304 Speaker 3: that's the normal outset. 29 00:01:30,304 --> 00:01:31,144 Speaker 2: I think they had like. 30 00:01:31,064 --> 00:01:35,064 Speaker 4: A very casual London Sunday pub lunch and then they 31 00:01:35,144 --> 00:01:37,984 Speaker 4: both just had a cigarette outside, shared some thoughts, shared 32 00:01:37,984 --> 00:01:39,904 Speaker 4: some feelings with each other, had a bit of a giggle, 33 00:01:39,944 --> 00:01:40,864 Speaker 4: and then went. 34 00:01:40,704 --> 00:01:41,384 Speaker 2: On with their day. 35 00:01:41,784 --> 00:01:44,864 Speaker 4: What happened then was the Internet got hold of these 36 00:01:44,864 --> 00:01:49,064 Speaker 4: photos and now there are rumors spreading that Natalie Portman 37 00:01:49,424 --> 00:01:51,624 Speaker 4: and Paul Meskal are dating. 38 00:01:52,304 --> 00:01:53,424 Speaker 2: Do we think they're dating? 39 00:01:53,584 --> 00:01:57,024 Speaker 4: I'm not too sure. She did recently finalize her divorce 40 00:01:57,224 --> 00:02:01,824 Speaker 4: with her ex husband Benjamin Millipede. That happened in March. 41 00:02:01,904 --> 00:02:05,544 Speaker 4: He hasn't been spotted in a romantic entanglement publicly since 42 00:02:05,544 --> 00:02:07,864 Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, I want to say with Phoebe Bridges. 43 00:02:08,144 --> 00:02:11,144 Speaker 4: So they both are seen like publicly sing, and I 44 00:02:11,144 --> 00:02:13,384 Speaker 4: think that's what everyone's running with. I also do want 45 00:02:13,424 --> 00:02:16,504 Speaker 4: to point out that last year they did Actors on 46 00:02:16,584 --> 00:02:19,464 Speaker 4: Actors together, yes, for Vanity Fair, and I feel like 47 00:02:19,544 --> 00:02:22,584 Speaker 4: now everyone's rewatching that interview where they interviewed each other 48 00:02:22,824 --> 00:02:25,944 Speaker 4: through more of a rose tinted lens, going, oh, yeah, 49 00:02:26,024 --> 00:02:28,024 Speaker 4: they're definitely hardcore in love with each other. 50 00:02:28,384 --> 00:02:30,944 Speaker 3: See I don't think they're dating, only because it was 51 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:32,824 Speaker 3: so blatantly public and they. 52 00:02:32,984 --> 00:02:36,624 Speaker 4: Poor Mescal news updates. 53 00:02:35,384 --> 00:02:37,704 Speaker 2: Like where's that man going to be? What's he doing? 54 00:02:37,784 --> 00:02:38,304 Speaker 2: You just never know. 55 00:02:38,344 --> 00:02:39,784 Speaker 3: If you step outside your home, you're just going to 56 00:02:39,864 --> 00:02:41,624 Speaker 3: have a poor Mescal siding, as the people at this 57 00:02:41,664 --> 00:02:42,664 Speaker 3: pub would have found. 58 00:02:42,424 --> 00:02:46,064 Speaker 2: Out, and you as well personally. Yes, very infamous stories. 59 00:02:46,104 --> 00:02:47,464 Speaker 3: There was a thing at some point where he's like, 60 00:02:47,504 --> 00:02:49,464 Speaker 3: you'll just look outside and see poor Mescal because he 61 00:02:49,504 --> 00:02:51,784 Speaker 3: was just popping up at random places. And I won't 62 00:02:51,784 --> 00:02:53,424 Speaker 3: say which pub because I'll give way where I live, 63 00:02:53,504 --> 00:02:55,904 Speaker 3: but in case someone cares, no one does. I did 64 00:02:55,904 --> 00:02:57,664 Speaker 3: look at my window one day, and indeed I did 65 00:02:57,704 --> 00:02:59,504 Speaker 3: see Poor Mescal at the pub across the roads. 66 00:02:59,544 --> 00:03:00,624 Speaker 2: That was cute. Fact. 67 00:03:00,664 --> 00:03:02,664 Speaker 4: You didn't tell me, like I just wanted to be clear. 68 00:03:02,704 --> 00:03:04,144 Speaker 4: We won't say where we live, but we live very 69 00:03:04,144 --> 00:03:06,624 Speaker 4: close to each other. Yeah, I could have been there 70 00:03:06,624 --> 00:03:07,104 Speaker 4: in five days. 71 00:03:07,144 --> 00:03:09,344 Speaker 3: I hear him running through the streets of Sydney CBD 72 00:03:09,944 --> 00:03:11,824 Speaker 3: he running, Well, it's true, he. 73 00:03:11,944 --> 00:03:13,944 Speaker 4: Could have run to him and shown off my running strair. 74 00:03:13,984 --> 00:03:15,984 Speaker 3: As a rumor, he has a one night stand with 75 00:03:16,024 --> 00:03:17,464 Speaker 3: him and the next day takes him for a walk 76 00:03:17,504 --> 00:03:19,664 Speaker 3: and then runs away, which again I don't think is true. 77 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:22,744 Speaker 3: Why I don't think they're dating is because it was 78 00:03:22,864 --> 00:03:24,784 Speaker 3: so casually out in the public. 79 00:03:24,824 --> 00:03:26,064 Speaker 2: They just looked like they didn't care. 80 00:03:26,104 --> 00:03:27,784 Speaker 3: If you were trying to keep a relationship like that 81 00:03:27,864 --> 00:03:30,104 Speaker 3: under wraps, you don't have those photos taken. 82 00:03:30,264 --> 00:03:32,824 Speaker 4: Maybe that's why they are dating, because they were like unweaving. 83 00:03:33,224 --> 00:03:34,664 Speaker 4: That's weaving too much for a web. 84 00:03:34,864 --> 00:03:37,264 Speaker 3: But I think also people are just always very invested 85 00:03:37,384 --> 00:03:39,624 Speaker 3: in who he is dating, like he's become the internet's 86 00:03:40,024 --> 00:03:42,424 Speaker 3: like boyfriend, Yeah, but fall back boyfriend. If a girl 87 00:03:42,464 --> 00:03:44,264 Speaker 3: has like a bit of a tough time, oh my god, 88 00:03:44,264 --> 00:03:45,424 Speaker 3: a cool friend. 89 00:03:45,344 --> 00:03:46,904 Speaker 4: Poor back girlfriend. I could not look. 90 00:03:46,984 --> 00:03:48,864 Speaker 3: It's not a bad thing. It's more so they're just like, oh, 91 00:03:48,864 --> 00:03:50,544 Speaker 3: she's had a rough time, she's to go date. Poor 92 00:03:50,624 --> 00:03:51,224 Speaker 3: mascot was. 93 00:03:51,184 --> 00:03:52,104 Speaker 4: Like, then you're Pete Davidton. 94 00:03:52,504 --> 00:03:54,744 Speaker 3: Yeah in a way, but like the softer, gentler, kind 95 00:03:54,784 --> 00:03:57,224 Speaker 3: of soft boy version of that. And I think also 96 00:03:57,464 --> 00:03:59,704 Speaker 3: because of what happened Natalie Portman is you know that 97 00:03:59,744 --> 00:04:01,744 Speaker 3: whole thing came out about her husband cheating on her, 98 00:04:01,984 --> 00:04:04,184 Speaker 3: and it was so intense, and they divorced, and there's 99 00:04:04,224 --> 00:04:06,104 Speaker 3: this whole thing of her looking after the kid's solo, 100 00:04:06,544 --> 00:04:08,504 Speaker 3: and so everyone kind of rallied behind her and just 101 00:04:08,544 --> 00:04:10,504 Speaker 3: wanted her to have a hot fleing. And so we 102 00:04:10,504 --> 00:04:13,024 Speaker 3: saw her smoking outside with Paul. We're like, that's the 103 00:04:13,024 --> 00:04:18,584 Speaker 3: guy she deserves. After thought boyfriend, No, the fallback boyfriend, 104 00:04:19,224 --> 00:04:21,264 Speaker 3: I say, a lovely way. It's like you fall into 105 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:23,344 Speaker 3: poor Mescal, you have a lovely time, and then you 106 00:04:23,424 --> 00:04:25,904 Speaker 3: move on. That's much nicer than his current reputation of 107 00:04:25,984 --> 00:04:27,024 Speaker 3: running away from people. 108 00:04:27,224 --> 00:04:29,944 Speaker 2: I like the running lie. So anyway, I actually hope 109 00:04:29,944 --> 00:04:31,304 Speaker 2: they had a night of hot, lovely sex. 110 00:04:32,384 --> 00:04:34,104 Speaker 4: One night's stat they'll do it again. 111 00:04:34,144 --> 00:04:36,344 Speaker 3: I think they probably just had a hot Publim's not 112 00:04:36,384 --> 00:04:37,544 Speaker 3: a hot sexy affair. 113 00:04:40,504 --> 00:04:43,384 Speaker 5: Hello, Vanity Fair. My name is Ioadebris. You may know 114 00:04:43,464 --> 00:04:47,664 Speaker 5: me as an actor, writer, producer, but what you may 115 00:04:47,704 --> 00:04:49,744 Speaker 5: not know is that I went to law school for 116 00:04:49,824 --> 00:04:53,184 Speaker 5: seventeen years. I'm here to judge the drama of people 117 00:04:53,184 --> 00:04:54,144 Speaker 5: who I do not know. 118 00:04:54,544 --> 00:04:59,624 Speaker 4: Iowa Debris is my latest celebrity obsession. She is Vanity 119 00:04:59,664 --> 00:05:02,184 Speaker 4: Fair's June cover this year, and for the past few weeks, 120 00:05:02,264 --> 00:05:04,144 Speaker 4: Vanity Fair, like they do with all their covers, I've 121 00:05:04,184 --> 00:05:07,384 Speaker 4: been releasing little interview snippets, like little fun, quirky interviews. 122 00:05:07,584 --> 00:05:10,224 Speaker 4: They do this to promote the cover. So one in 123 00:05:10,464 --> 00:05:12,544 Speaker 4: you wish piece of content they did was I put 124 00:05:12,544 --> 00:05:16,184 Speaker 4: out a video called Vanity Fair and Square Love a 125 00:05:16,224 --> 00:05:19,304 Speaker 4: plan on words. Over here, they had IO act as 126 00:05:19,384 --> 00:05:22,584 Speaker 4: kind of a judge, listening in on people's petty problems, 127 00:05:22,624 --> 00:05:27,384 Speaker 4: things like my boyfriend's liking Instagram models, videos and photos 128 00:05:27,384 --> 00:05:29,824 Speaker 4: on Instagram. Should I be upset or not? 129 00:05:30,264 --> 00:05:30,344 Speaker 1: So? 130 00:05:30,704 --> 00:05:32,824 Speaker 4: Kind of like really petty stuff, kind of like everyday 131 00:05:32,824 --> 00:05:34,344 Speaker 4: stuff that we go through. I feel like I've had 132 00:05:34,384 --> 00:05:37,624 Speaker 4: this exact same dilemma. Here is a snippet of what 133 00:05:37,664 --> 00:05:38,104 Speaker 4: she said. 134 00:05:39,184 --> 00:05:42,944 Speaker 1: So, I noticed that my boyfriend follows this popular model 135 00:05:42,984 --> 00:05:47,264 Speaker 1: on Instagram, which is totally fine, but he started to 136 00:05:47,264 --> 00:05:52,264 Speaker 1: comment publicly on her posts, and is that okay? It's 137 00:05:52,304 --> 00:05:54,664 Speaker 1: almost always a fire emoji. 138 00:05:55,984 --> 00:05:57,624 Speaker 4: I have a rudict already. 139 00:05:58,584 --> 00:06:01,424 Speaker 2: Your boyfriend is through the streets. Mail is a yoga 140 00:06:01,624 --> 00:06:02,904 Speaker 2: and he's through the streets. 141 00:06:03,384 --> 00:06:05,904 Speaker 5: The reality of taking videos out a concert is you 142 00:06:06,064 --> 00:06:09,104 Speaker 5: literally are never going to watch it like ever in 143 00:06:09,144 --> 00:06:09,704 Speaker 5: your life. 144 00:06:09,744 --> 00:06:11,104 Speaker 4: But what should we do about that? 145 00:06:11,304 --> 00:06:13,184 Speaker 2: Systematically? Structurally? 146 00:06:13,384 --> 00:06:15,064 Speaker 5: If it were up to me, if I read the 147 00:06:15,104 --> 00:06:16,504 Speaker 5: Supreme Court, but I'm not. 148 00:06:16,744 --> 00:06:18,384 Speaker 2: I'm only iOS Court. 149 00:06:18,544 --> 00:06:20,464 Speaker 5: But if I was in a Supreme Court, I would 150 00:06:20,624 --> 00:06:24,704 Speaker 5: make it so that artists have to release concert DVDs. Again, 151 00:06:24,824 --> 00:06:27,824 Speaker 5: remember watching a concert VHS or concert DVD. 152 00:06:27,984 --> 00:06:29,184 Speaker 2: How fun that was. 153 00:06:29,704 --> 00:06:31,384 Speaker 4: To the person who submitted this message. 154 00:06:31,384 --> 00:06:32,504 Speaker 5: I don't know how to tell you this, but your 155 00:06:32,504 --> 00:06:38,064 Speaker 5: father hasn't murdered people before. There are bodies in the ground. 156 00:06:39,504 --> 00:06:42,664 Speaker 4: So watching these interviews right off the bat, you can 157 00:06:42,704 --> 00:06:46,824 Speaker 4: tell that she is thriving in this environment. She's been 158 00:06:46,864 --> 00:06:50,504 Speaker 4: given full reign with very little direction, and she comes 159 00:06:50,624 --> 00:06:53,824 Speaker 4: across super down to earth, super candid, super funny. We 160 00:06:53,944 --> 00:06:56,584 Speaker 4: have talked about these style of interviews on the spill before. 161 00:06:56,624 --> 00:06:59,864 Speaker 4: We've talked about first Weave Feeds, Hot Ones, which one Evans, 162 00:06:59,904 --> 00:07:02,504 Speaker 4: We've talked about Amelia de Moldenberg, who does Chicken Shop Date. 163 00:07:02,784 --> 00:07:06,424 Speaker 4: It's like this new sort of wave of interviewing where 164 00:07:06,744 --> 00:07:10,824 Speaker 4: I think mainly the younger generation of actors and celebrities. 165 00:07:10,824 --> 00:07:13,704 Speaker 4: I want to say on the thirty it's arriving in 166 00:07:13,744 --> 00:07:16,464 Speaker 4: these environments, and I always one of them. You might 167 00:07:16,544 --> 00:07:19,144 Speaker 4: know her from The Bear, which is a drama comedy 168 00:07:19,224 --> 00:07:22,304 Speaker 4: series leaned more heavily on the drama side, and she's 169 00:07:22,344 --> 00:07:24,784 Speaker 4: won a few Emmys and a lot of awards for it, 170 00:07:24,864 --> 00:07:27,584 Speaker 4: I want to say, And all the interviews she's done 171 00:07:27,624 --> 00:07:30,584 Speaker 4: about The Bear and her acting have been quite on 172 00:07:30,704 --> 00:07:34,664 Speaker 4: the serious side, where they want to know about her upbringing, 173 00:07:34,984 --> 00:07:37,344 Speaker 4: like her role in the industry, where she thinks of 174 00:07:37,384 --> 00:07:40,024 Speaker 4: the industry, her role in The Bear. And this was 175 00:07:40,064 --> 00:07:42,264 Speaker 4: the first interview where I've seen where they've given her 176 00:07:42,304 --> 00:07:44,984 Speaker 4: full reins because she actually started off as a comedian. 177 00:07:45,544 --> 00:07:47,544 Speaker 4: And this is the interview where I'm like, she is 178 00:07:47,744 --> 00:07:48,624 Speaker 4: so funny? 179 00:07:48,824 --> 00:07:49,064 Speaker 2: Where was? 180 00:07:49,064 --> 00:07:50,824 Speaker 4: I feel like with the other interview she tries to 181 00:07:50,864 --> 00:07:52,904 Speaker 4: still be her funny self, but it doesn't come across 182 00:07:52,944 --> 00:07:56,544 Speaker 4: the same candid way. This interview, in particular, just shows 183 00:07:56,984 --> 00:07:59,944 Speaker 4: that these big publications are now trying to reach a 184 00:07:59,984 --> 00:08:03,384 Speaker 4: younger demographic. While doing that, they're running the risk of 185 00:08:03,424 --> 00:08:07,384 Speaker 4: also excluding their overall audience. So Vanity Fair could have 186 00:08:07,464 --> 00:08:09,664 Speaker 4: easily done one of those quirky interviews where they're like, 187 00:08:09,904 --> 00:08:13,584 Speaker 4: never have I ever? Or like, who what where kind 188 00:08:13,584 --> 00:08:15,744 Speaker 4: of things where we are so used to seeing from 189 00:08:15,784 --> 00:08:18,304 Speaker 4: My Guest twenty fourteen, where these talk show hosts want 190 00:08:18,464 --> 00:08:21,144 Speaker 4: to give something a bit more edgier and more fun 191 00:08:21,144 --> 00:08:23,744 Speaker 4: with these celebrities, but they haven't fully gone into the 192 00:08:23,784 --> 00:08:26,464 Speaker 4: deep end. And with this interview, I feel like they've 193 00:08:26,464 --> 00:08:28,744 Speaker 4: gone into the deep end. They have me howling on 194 00:08:28,784 --> 00:08:30,744 Speaker 4: the floor with this interview. I really employ you to 195 00:08:31,144 --> 00:08:33,544 Speaker 4: go watch the whole thing, but I know someone like 196 00:08:33,624 --> 00:08:36,944 Speaker 4: my mum wouldn't fully understand it to an extent. I mean, 197 00:08:36,944 --> 00:08:39,264 Speaker 4: I think this works because of who she is, and 198 00:08:39,344 --> 00:08:42,104 Speaker 4: a lot of these big publications when they tailor out 199 00:08:42,144 --> 00:08:46,024 Speaker 4: these interviews, it's to the personality of the person that 200 00:08:46,024 --> 00:08:48,744 Speaker 4: they're speaking to. And I guess with Vanity Fair they 201 00:08:48,744 --> 00:08:50,504 Speaker 4: don't usually have like I mean, I know they do 202 00:08:50,504 --> 00:08:52,464 Speaker 4: a huge amount of video rollout, but I think it's 203 00:08:52,464 --> 00:08:55,544 Speaker 4: not as kind of set in stone as like with Vogue, 204 00:08:55,584 --> 00:08:57,344 Speaker 4: have you know, like looked through your past outfits or 205 00:08:57,424 --> 00:09:00,144 Speaker 4: seventy three questions all those kind of things, And then 206 00:09:00,224 --> 00:09:02,704 Speaker 4: like Variety has like got actors on actors and the 207 00:09:02,744 --> 00:09:05,944 Speaker 4: little snippets of them hanging out backstage and their elevator 208 00:09:06,024 --> 00:09:08,064 Speaker 4: videos and stuff like that, whereas I feel like this 209 00:09:08,104 --> 00:09:10,504 Speaker 4: is very tailored to her, and I think also this 210 00:09:10,624 --> 00:09:13,384 Speaker 4: was like her biggest strength for award season, because she 211 00:09:13,464 --> 00:09:16,104 Speaker 4: pretty much won every award for the Bear, and so 212 00:09:16,144 --> 00:09:18,904 Speaker 4: many of her exception speeches did go viral for being 213 00:09:18,944 --> 00:09:19,504 Speaker 4: funny member. 214 00:09:19,544 --> 00:09:20,224 Speaker 2: She did shout out to the. 215 00:09:20,184 --> 00:09:23,184 Speaker 3: Assistance, the only people who answer her her emails and 216 00:09:23,184 --> 00:09:23,944 Speaker 3: who got her where. 217 00:09:23,864 --> 00:09:26,144 Speaker 2: She was standing. Ovation Yeah, I mean also that was 218 00:09:26,184 --> 00:09:26,704 Speaker 2: just a fact. 219 00:09:26,744 --> 00:09:28,464 Speaker 3: But also on the red carpet, it also was a 220 00:09:28,464 --> 00:09:30,744 Speaker 3: bit shitty because Jeremy Allen White had just put out 221 00:09:30,744 --> 00:09:33,584 Speaker 3: that big first did that photo shoot where he's like 222 00:09:34,024 --> 00:09:37,704 Speaker 3: shirtless on a couch. Was all very intense. She kept 223 00:09:37,704 --> 00:09:39,984 Speaker 3: getting asked about that all the time and she's like, Kennyn, 224 00:09:40,064 --> 00:09:40,704 Speaker 3: here's my coaster. 225 00:09:40,904 --> 00:09:42,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like, that's incestuous. 226 00:09:42,384 --> 00:09:44,384 Speaker 3: But also ren when they asked her what she would 227 00:09:44,384 --> 00:09:46,584 Speaker 3: go back and tell her former self, and she gave 228 00:09:46,584 --> 00:09:50,104 Speaker 3: this bag. She gave this big breakdown about she would 229 00:09:50,104 --> 00:09:52,224 Speaker 3: never do that because it affects the rules of time trouble, 230 00:09:53,704 --> 00:09:54,224 Speaker 3: And so you. 231 00:09:54,184 --> 00:09:56,224 Speaker 4: Can see like these interviewers who have been in the 232 00:09:56,224 --> 00:09:57,744 Speaker 4: game for so long ago, what the hell. 233 00:09:58,264 --> 00:09:59,904 Speaker 3: No, I don't think they do. I think they love 234 00:09:59,984 --> 00:10:01,664 Speaker 3: stuff like that because they are. 235 00:10:01,464 --> 00:10:02,824 Speaker 4: Kind of like a bit like I don't know where 236 00:10:02,864 --> 00:10:03,384 Speaker 4: to go next. 237 00:10:03,584 --> 00:10:05,224 Speaker 3: Well, it depends on the interviewer, but I think a 238 00:10:05,224 --> 00:10:07,144 Speaker 3: lot of them like you're staying there for hours interviewing 239 00:10:07,224 --> 00:10:08,744 Speaker 3: just because I'm now I'm always on the side of 240 00:10:08,744 --> 00:10:10,704 Speaker 3: the interview because that's the world I know. And you 241 00:10:10,704 --> 00:10:12,824 Speaker 3: want people to give these funny, offbeat answers because you've 242 00:10:12,824 --> 00:10:14,544 Speaker 3: got one second to ask a question. You've got to 243 00:10:14,584 --> 00:10:16,904 Speaker 3: stay with the very tried and tested ones because they're 244 00:10:16,904 --> 00:10:18,384 Speaker 3: the ones that work on a red carpet. They're the 245 00:10:18,424 --> 00:10:20,384 Speaker 3: ones that pr people have let go. So when someone 246 00:10:20,424 --> 00:10:22,584 Speaker 3: says something like that, you're kind of like in your 247 00:10:22,584 --> 00:10:24,504 Speaker 3: head like, yes, I know this is going to go viral. 248 00:10:24,584 --> 00:10:26,984 Speaker 3: The person who's doing that is laughing while she's saying 249 00:10:27,024 --> 00:10:28,184 Speaker 3: it because she just knows it's a. 250 00:10:28,184 --> 00:10:30,824 Speaker 4: Good You can really see her age in those interviews, 251 00:10:30,824 --> 00:10:33,064 Speaker 4: because I remember that one in particular, the whole cast 252 00:10:33,104 --> 00:10:34,864 Speaker 4: her behind her, yeah, and they were all just kind 253 00:10:34,864 --> 00:10:35,144 Speaker 4: of like. 254 00:10:35,104 --> 00:10:37,864 Speaker 3: What's going on, Yeah, and little Jeremaleen White's laughing to 255 00:10:37,904 --> 00:10:39,344 Speaker 3: the side, and I was like, oh, sir, because you've 256 00:10:39,344 --> 00:10:40,904 Speaker 3: never heard a joke before, because you don't. 257 00:10:40,704 --> 00:10:42,144 Speaker 2: Make them just a certainly. 258 00:10:43,424 --> 00:10:45,664 Speaker 3: My only little fear for Io, because I love her 259 00:10:45,704 --> 00:10:47,704 Speaker 3: so much, is that we've seen this happen so many 260 00:10:47,744 --> 00:10:50,144 Speaker 3: times before, where we build a woman up for being 261 00:10:50,184 --> 00:10:52,664 Speaker 3: like so funny and so interesting it doesn't matter what 262 00:10:52,704 --> 00:10:55,464 Speaker 3: age they are Jennifer Laurence effect exactly. And I'm just 263 00:10:55,544 --> 00:10:58,704 Speaker 3: hoping that this contains itself and she has these little 264 00:10:58,744 --> 00:11:01,544 Speaker 3: bursts of fame and like you know, notoriety for being 265 00:11:01,584 --> 00:11:03,744 Speaker 3: funny and offbeat, and that it doesn't rise up to 266 00:11:03,824 --> 00:11:05,704 Speaker 3: a level where people get really sick of her and 267 00:11:06,184 --> 00:11:07,504 Speaker 3: blacklist her and start. 268 00:11:08,664 --> 00:11:11,904 Speaker 2: Sorry, I forgot about Lawrenson and hath the way up. 269 00:11:12,104 --> 00:11:14,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Even for a while that people 270 00:11:14,504 --> 00:11:16,144 Speaker 3: were getting sick of Adele like you know, doing her 271 00:11:16,144 --> 00:11:18,584 Speaker 3: press tours like she does one every ten years. Let 272 00:11:18,624 --> 00:11:20,384 Speaker 3: the woman live and because she was, you know, being 273 00:11:20,424 --> 00:11:23,544 Speaker 3: all funny and irreverent and stuff. So that's my only. 274 00:11:23,344 --> 00:11:25,064 Speaker 2: Hope with her. But you know, I think she'll be okay, 275 00:11:25,104 --> 00:11:25,544 Speaker 2: She'll be good. 276 00:11:25,544 --> 00:11:28,664 Speaker 4: I want to see her and everything. Yeah, everyone coming 277 00:11:28,704 --> 00:11:32,904 Speaker 4: up next, we are talking about Iodeber's nemesis, Jennifer Lopez. 278 00:11:32,944 --> 00:11:34,264 Speaker 4: That's a bit of a stretch if you don't know 279 00:11:34,264 --> 00:11:35,784 Speaker 4: what we're talking about. We'll linked in the show notes. 280 00:11:35,944 --> 00:11:38,944 Speaker 4: We are talking about Jennifer Lopez and canceling her show 281 00:11:39,024 --> 00:11:39,904 Speaker 4: and why she did it. 282 00:11:40,304 --> 00:11:45,144 Speaker 3: Nana, Well, Jennifer Lopez is big. This is me dot 283 00:11:45,184 --> 00:11:48,664 Speaker 3: dot dot now tour has been finally put out of 284 00:11:48,704 --> 00:11:51,184 Speaker 3: its misery. That is the wording from Variety, not me, 285 00:11:51,584 --> 00:11:54,344 Speaker 3: because the entire tour has been canceled and called off 286 00:11:54,384 --> 00:11:55,304 Speaker 3: as of this weekend. 287 00:11:55,704 --> 00:11:56,424 Speaker 2: So the news was. 288 00:11:56,424 --> 00:12:00,784 Speaker 3: Broken to fans via the newsletter that Jennifer Lopez has 289 00:12:00,864 --> 00:12:01,664 Speaker 3: called on the j LOO. 290 00:12:01,824 --> 00:12:03,504 Speaker 4: I'm still subscribed to that, but I think it goes 291 00:12:03,544 --> 00:12:04,344 Speaker 4: to my junk fold in there. 292 00:12:04,384 --> 00:12:04,464 Speaker 5: Oh. 293 00:12:04,544 --> 00:12:06,024 Speaker 3: I was going to say, you obviously missed this news, 294 00:12:06,024 --> 00:12:08,384 Speaker 3: which I usually kind of make fun of because it's 295 00:12:08,424 --> 00:12:10,344 Speaker 3: a data mining exercise that I haven't signed up for. 296 00:12:10,504 --> 00:12:11,824 Speaker 3: But now it's not the time to get into that 297 00:12:11,864 --> 00:12:14,744 Speaker 3: because the woman is going through something. So in her newsletter, 298 00:12:14,864 --> 00:12:17,664 Speaker 3: Jennifer Lopez wrote that she had to cancel the entire 299 00:12:17,744 --> 00:12:20,704 Speaker 3: tour and that she was completely heartsick and devastated about 300 00:12:20,744 --> 00:12:23,464 Speaker 3: letting her fans down. She said she wouldn't do this 301 00:12:23,464 --> 00:12:26,584 Speaker 3: if she didn't feel it was absolutely necessary, but she 302 00:12:26,704 --> 00:12:28,984 Speaker 3: had to spend time with her family at this moment, 303 00:12:29,384 --> 00:12:31,624 Speaker 3: and then she says, she promises she'll make it up 304 00:12:31,664 --> 00:12:33,744 Speaker 3: to all of her fans and they'll be together again. 305 00:12:34,264 --> 00:12:36,544 Speaker 3: I love you so much until next time. 306 00:12:36,824 --> 00:12:40,184 Speaker 4: Oh that's quite sad and depressing. So she canceled the 307 00:12:40,224 --> 00:12:40,784 Speaker 4: whole tour. 308 00:12:41,144 --> 00:12:43,824 Speaker 3: Yes, the whole tour, So this goes back. The tour 309 00:12:43,864 --> 00:12:46,584 Speaker 3: was announced in February, and around that time she had 310 00:12:46,584 --> 00:12:49,064 Speaker 3: her two big movie releases. So she had her musical 311 00:12:49,144 --> 00:12:52,704 Speaker 3: movie that was kind of like a wild not a 312 00:12:52,784 --> 00:12:55,584 Speaker 3: music video, like a live you watched it right with 313 00:12:55,624 --> 00:12:57,664 Speaker 3: all the different slurbs in there, and was like the 314 00:12:57,784 --> 00:12:59,464 Speaker 3: dramatization of her new album. 315 00:12:59,704 --> 00:13:01,424 Speaker 4: And then she had a documentary about that. 316 00:13:01,584 --> 00:13:02,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very matter. 317 00:13:02,744 --> 00:13:04,824 Speaker 3: So all of these things that she's been releasing, the 318 00:13:04,864 --> 00:13:07,384 Speaker 3: two different movies, the new album, the tour was all 319 00:13:07,504 --> 00:13:10,104 Speaker 3: meant to be about her love story with Ben Affleck, 320 00:13:10,424 --> 00:13:12,664 Speaker 3: the two of them getting back together. The movies were 321 00:13:12,704 --> 00:13:14,904 Speaker 3: like quite well received. Like the first thing thing came 322 00:13:14,904 --> 00:13:18,024 Speaker 3: out like she started strong. The musical movie came out, 323 00:13:18,104 --> 00:13:20,984 Speaker 3: people like this is bonkers, this is insane, we love it. 324 00:13:21,024 --> 00:13:23,864 Speaker 3: We dedicated a whole episode to it. The album came out, 325 00:13:23,904 --> 00:13:25,984 Speaker 3: everyone's like hmm, like I couldn't tell you a. 326 00:13:25,864 --> 00:13:28,104 Speaker 2: Song from that album. I don't think anyone really could. 327 00:13:28,504 --> 00:13:31,224 Speaker 3: And then the documentary came out and a lot of 328 00:13:31,264 --> 00:13:34,144 Speaker 3: moments that went viral but for wrong reasons about like 329 00:13:34,384 --> 00:13:37,144 Speaker 3: people not wanting to be in the musical movie her 330 00:13:37,184 --> 00:13:40,824 Speaker 3: and ben Affleck interacting her saying that she still felt 331 00:13:40,824 --> 00:13:42,704 Speaker 3: like the little girl running up and down the Blanc, 332 00:13:42,744 --> 00:13:45,704 Speaker 3: which started a whole, huge viral backlash about the fact 333 00:13:45,704 --> 00:13:47,664 Speaker 3: that she was pretending to be poor and from the 334 00:13:47,664 --> 00:13:49,664 Speaker 3: Bronx and she hadn't been that for many years, if 335 00:13:49,664 --> 00:13:52,104 Speaker 3: at all, like she lived there, but like people were 336 00:13:52,104 --> 00:13:53,784 Speaker 3: saying she wasn't poor, and people she went to high 337 00:13:53,784 --> 00:13:56,224 Speaker 3: school with, we're digging up information about her. It was 338 00:13:56,264 --> 00:13:59,224 Speaker 3: this whole, big, crazy thing. It escalated to this whole 339 00:13:59,224 --> 00:14:01,984 Speaker 3: thing that she was rude and awful. Video started going viral, 340 00:14:02,024 --> 00:14:03,904 Speaker 3: and then in the last couple of weeks we've seen 341 00:14:03,904 --> 00:14:06,464 Speaker 3: all those intense rumors that she and ben Affleck are 342 00:14:06,504 --> 00:14:08,544 Speaker 3: breaking up, and then the tour canceled. 343 00:14:09,064 --> 00:14:11,024 Speaker 4: It feels like one of those things where like when 344 00:14:11,064 --> 00:14:13,904 Speaker 4: something bad happens to someone, you're like, surely it can't 345 00:14:13,904 --> 00:14:15,784 Speaker 4: get worse, and then it does, and then it does again. 346 00:14:15,864 --> 00:14:17,864 Speaker 4: And then it does again. I haven't been a big 347 00:14:17,984 --> 00:14:20,664 Speaker 4: j Loo fan for many reasons, a lot of them 348 00:14:20,704 --> 00:14:22,944 Speaker 4: you've listed, but now it just feels icky. 349 00:14:23,184 --> 00:14:25,264 Speaker 3: Say what you want about Jennifer Lopez, Like, I'm sure 350 00:14:25,264 --> 00:14:27,664 Speaker 3: she's a diva. Most people who are at that level are. 351 00:14:28,104 --> 00:14:30,504 Speaker 3: It's just that we've seen that story around her more 352 00:14:30,504 --> 00:14:33,464 Speaker 3: than most people. And also, I think people are just 353 00:14:33,584 --> 00:14:35,944 Speaker 3: reveling in her downfall because we kind of love to 354 00:14:35,984 --> 00:14:38,904 Speaker 3: see a big, powerful woman and a diva, and it 355 00:14:38,904 --> 00:14:42,144 Speaker 3: also feels for us, yeah, exactly, And I think there's 356 00:14:42,144 --> 00:14:44,384 Speaker 3: this kind of like sick kind of fantasy that we 357 00:14:44,544 --> 00:14:47,544 Speaker 3: love the disappointment of someone who's doing so well, who's 358 00:14:47,584 --> 00:14:50,744 Speaker 3: moved away from being that beloved quirky and now it 359 00:14:50,784 --> 00:14:53,664 Speaker 3: seems untouchable. So when she has a downfall, it kind 360 00:14:53,704 --> 00:14:56,184 Speaker 3: of seems funny because lots of people are canceling their 361 00:14:56,184 --> 00:14:59,544 Speaker 3: tours at the same time. The Black Keys canceled their 362 00:14:59,544 --> 00:15:01,744 Speaker 3: tour for a similar reason that people are thinking is 363 00:15:01,744 --> 00:15:04,464 Speaker 3: because the ticket sales weren't very high and they couldn't 364 00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:05,984 Speaker 3: sell at those arenas, and a lot of them were 365 00:15:06,024 --> 00:15:08,424 Speaker 3: same arenas that Jaylo was trying to sell out. And 366 00:15:08,464 --> 00:15:10,664 Speaker 3: when that story came out, everyone was like, oh, you know, 367 00:15:11,024 --> 00:15:13,664 Speaker 3: it's the cost of living crisis. Money is really tight. 368 00:15:14,184 --> 00:15:16,984 Speaker 3: This is about the touring business, not about them, And 369 00:15:17,024 --> 00:15:18,584 Speaker 3: so it just goes to show that, like with a 370 00:15:18,664 --> 00:15:20,704 Speaker 3: male kind of rocked your you'll be like it's the 371 00:15:20,744 --> 00:15:23,144 Speaker 3: fault of the business and the touring system. But with 372 00:15:23,264 --> 00:15:25,904 Speaker 3: Jennifer Lopez, it's people hate her specifically. 373 00:15:26,464 --> 00:15:29,144 Speaker 4: That's so interesting. I also think Jennifer Lopez is just 374 00:15:29,184 --> 00:15:32,224 Speaker 4: like every other woman who's been in love, Like she 375 00:15:32,424 --> 00:15:34,944 Speaker 4: loves love so much she made an album out of it, 376 00:15:35,024 --> 00:15:37,264 Speaker 4: she made two movies out of it. Like that is 377 00:15:37,344 --> 00:15:40,944 Speaker 4: the normal woman's equivalent of posting your boyfriend on Instagram. 378 00:15:41,064 --> 00:15:44,744 Speaker 2: Yes, and that woman who posts like fifteen different jump. 379 00:15:44,624 --> 00:15:46,944 Speaker 4: Everywhere she wants to show them off. She's like, my 380 00:15:47,064 --> 00:15:49,464 Speaker 4: husband's hot, I want to show them off. And then 381 00:15:49,544 --> 00:15:52,304 Speaker 4: like that relationship doesn't work. But because she's got j 382 00:15:52,464 --> 00:15:54,224 Speaker 4: low money, she can't just delete the photos on the 383 00:15:54,224 --> 00:15:55,944 Speaker 4: Instagram just to cancel tours. 384 00:15:56,304 --> 00:15:59,184 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, but I mean so many musical tours have 385 00:15:59,224 --> 00:16:00,824 Speaker 3: been canceled. I mean we're seeing it here in Australia, 386 00:16:00,864 --> 00:16:03,784 Speaker 3: which they know maybe along boat draw, but also so 387 00:16:03,864 --> 00:16:07,304 Speaker 3: many musical festivals and events have been canceled. Is getting 388 00:16:07,344 --> 00:16:09,064 Speaker 3: harder and harder to get a lot of big musical 389 00:16:09,104 --> 00:16:11,384 Speaker 3: events out. I do think it's more than that. That 390 00:16:11,584 --> 00:16:14,864 Speaker 3: just people weren't feeling this new music from her, and 391 00:16:14,864 --> 00:16:16,984 Speaker 3: which is why early on she rebranded it to the 392 00:16:16,984 --> 00:16:19,664 Speaker 3: greatest Hits, which I can I just say, take my money, 393 00:16:19,944 --> 00:16:22,264 Speaker 3: I pay so much money. I've seen Jelly live before. 394 00:16:22,504 --> 00:16:24,704 Speaker 3: She's amazing. She would see her. 395 00:16:24,704 --> 00:16:26,944 Speaker 2: Of course, she's amazing. She's been a super stuff for 396 00:16:26,984 --> 00:16:28,264 Speaker 2: twenty years. What does that mean? 397 00:16:28,504 --> 00:16:30,664 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she can pop some moves. 398 00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:32,464 Speaker 3: I think she should come to Australia and do what 399 00:16:32,504 --> 00:16:34,784 Speaker 3: Pink does and just do like a thirty. 400 00:16:35,064 --> 00:16:35,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, we need. 401 00:16:38,544 --> 00:16:41,264 Speaker 3: Like s people here because it sells out nowhere else 402 00:16:41,304 --> 00:16:43,224 Speaker 3: in the world. Nowhere else would she sell it those 403 00:16:43,224 --> 00:16:45,984 Speaker 3: big arenas. But she comes to Australia and she can 404 00:16:46,024 --> 00:16:49,544 Speaker 3: do like final shows to a pack stadium and they 405 00:16:49,664 --> 00:16:53,544 Speaker 3: also exactly we need Jennifer Lopez to do that. So 406 00:16:53,904 --> 00:16:57,024 Speaker 3: she has been seen out this weekend with Benffleck. They've 407 00:16:57,024 --> 00:17:00,024 Speaker 3: been photographed a lot together going to like different kids events. 408 00:17:00,344 --> 00:17:02,424 Speaker 2: It's a stand. I don't know, it's hard to say. 409 00:17:02,464 --> 00:17:04,424 Speaker 3: I mean they must be okay with being photographed, because, 410 00:17:04,464 --> 00:17:06,344 Speaker 3: like we always say, if you don't want to be photographed, 411 00:17:06,584 --> 00:17:08,704 Speaker 3: there are ways around it, especially when you have that 412 00:17:08,784 --> 00:17:10,584 Speaker 3: kind of money and access. So the fact that they're 413 00:17:10,584 --> 00:17:13,424 Speaker 3: sort of walking along the street being photographed, going into 414 00:17:13,464 --> 00:17:16,824 Speaker 3: like his son's sports practice or his daughter's graduation party 415 00:17:17,304 --> 00:17:19,424 Speaker 3: and stuff, it does, and they want people to kind 416 00:17:19,424 --> 00:17:22,224 Speaker 3: of put that out there. And also just think if 417 00:17:22,264 --> 00:17:24,304 Speaker 3: she was about to do like a massive, big press 418 00:17:24,304 --> 00:17:27,224 Speaker 3: tour and she has to answer questions about that over 419 00:17:27,224 --> 00:17:29,064 Speaker 3: and over again. I mean, the woman's booked him busy, 420 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:32,184 Speaker 3: she chaired them at gala, was all over that red carpet, 421 00:17:32,264 --> 00:17:34,824 Speaker 3: she was doing press. She's been filming a movie, and 422 00:17:34,864 --> 00:17:38,304 Speaker 3: then she did the promo for her big new movie, Atlas, And. 423 00:17:38,184 --> 00:17:40,064 Speaker 4: When she did, I want to say I loved Yeah, 424 00:17:40,104 --> 00:17:42,104 Speaker 4: you and I are big fans. Yeah weird, weird of 425 00:17:42,184 --> 00:17:43,664 Speaker 4: both of us to be big fans of this. 426 00:17:43,784 --> 00:17:45,184 Speaker 2: I love a Jelo movie. I'll just say that. 427 00:17:45,224 --> 00:17:47,104 Speaker 3: Whether she's being a bribe but she said about fifteen 428 00:17:47,104 --> 00:17:49,464 Speaker 3: times or killing an AI robots situation. 429 00:17:49,544 --> 00:17:51,424 Speaker 4: I'm not a fan of Jaelo acting, but I thought 430 00:17:51,424 --> 00:17:52,064 Speaker 4: she was excited. 431 00:17:53,464 --> 00:17:55,584 Speaker 3: But while she's doing press that movie, even though all 432 00:17:55,624 --> 00:17:57,984 Speaker 3: the reporters were told don't ask her about it. At 433 00:17:58,024 --> 00:18:00,544 Speaker 3: the big press conference for the movie, a reporter did 434 00:18:00,584 --> 00:18:02,744 Speaker 3: ask her about it, and she had to shut him down, 435 00:18:02,784 --> 00:18:05,144 Speaker 3: and that became this whole big news story book. 436 00:18:06,144 --> 00:18:07,104 Speaker 2: Flick is real. 437 00:18:07,664 --> 00:18:09,904 Speaker 4: These are all okay, we're doing that. 438 00:18:11,024 --> 00:18:13,184 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate it. 439 00:18:16,944 --> 00:18:17,784 Speaker 4: Don't come in here with that. 440 00:18:18,544 --> 00:18:19,904 Speaker 3: And even though I thought she was kind of quite 441 00:18:19,984 --> 00:18:21,984 Speaker 3: nice there, because she was like, you know better than that, 442 00:18:22,064 --> 00:18:23,824 Speaker 3: she probably wanted to rip his head off. If you 443 00:18:23,824 --> 00:18:26,344 Speaker 3: look in her eyes, she's so angry, probably did after. 444 00:18:27,704 --> 00:18:28,864 Speaker 2: We've never heard that from that man. 445 00:18:29,184 --> 00:18:32,104 Speaker 3: I'one't seen that man since he's gone, missing. 446 00:18:33,424 --> 00:18:34,384 Speaker 2: The power of Jlo. 447 00:18:34,624 --> 00:18:37,584 Speaker 3: She's buried him under the Hummingbirds bird cage in her backyard. 448 00:18:37,744 --> 00:18:38,904 Speaker 2: That's a call back to the Beabie. 449 00:18:39,224 --> 00:18:41,304 Speaker 3: But if she was going to do all the press, 450 00:18:41,304 --> 00:18:43,704 Speaker 3: she would have also just been hit with this wave 451 00:18:43,784 --> 00:18:46,384 Speaker 3: of divorce questions. So I understand why she did it. 452 00:18:46,424 --> 00:18:50,224 Speaker 3: So sad day to be Jennifer Lopez, and I just think, 453 00:18:50,264 --> 00:18:52,344 Speaker 3: as much as she has some faults, we just love 454 00:18:52,384 --> 00:18:53,944 Speaker 3: to see a powerful woman get knocked down. 455 00:18:54,344 --> 00:18:56,384 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening to the spill today. 456 00:18:56,384 --> 00:18:58,224 Speaker 4: If you love listening to us. You can always give 457 00:18:58,264 --> 00:19:00,984 Speaker 4: us a five star rating a review on whichever podcast 458 00:19:00,984 --> 00:19:03,544 Speaker 4: app you listen to us on. Otherwise, we will see 459 00:19:03,544 --> 00:19:05,944 Speaker 4: you here back in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 460 00:19:06,144 --> 00:19:12,504 Speaker 4: Bye byell cll it LOLLA