1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mumma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,894 --> 00:00:25,094 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily 5 00:00:25,134 --> 00:00:28,854 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quikie. The world continues to watch on 6 00:00:29,014 --> 00:00:32,454 Speaker 2: in anticipation for what will happen next as Israel and 7 00:00:32,494 --> 00:00:36,734 Speaker 2: Hamas work towards a permanent ceasefire in Gaza. So far, 8 00:00:36,854 --> 00:00:39,734 Speaker 2: we've seen part of a twenty point piece plan agreed 9 00:00:39,774 --> 00:00:43,414 Speaker 2: to by both sides, with hundreds of thousands of Palestinians 10 00:00:43,454 --> 00:00:46,974 Speaker 2: returning home and aid flowing into the strip. The Red 11 00:00:47,014 --> 00:00:50,854 Speaker 2: Cross continuing a multi phase operation to release the Israeli 12 00:00:50,854 --> 00:00:55,094 Speaker 2: hostages and Palestinian prisoners, But does this signify the end 13 00:00:55,134 --> 00:00:58,774 Speaker 2: of the war and what happens next Before we get there, 14 00:00:58,814 --> 00:01:00,934 Speaker 2: Here is Clare Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI 15 00:01:01,014 --> 00:01:03,414 Speaker 2: newsroom for Tuesday, October fourteenth. 16 00:01:03,774 --> 00:01:06,694 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The bodies are four of the reported twenty 17 00:01:06,734 --> 00:01:09,534 Speaker 1: eight remaining hostages who died in the conflict in Gaza 18 00:01:09,774 --> 00:01:12,814 Speaker 1: have been returned to Israel, but it's not immediately clear 19 00:01:12,814 --> 00:01:16,094 Speaker 1: when the other twenty four will be repatriated. Israeli Prime 20 00:01:16,094 --> 00:01:19,294 Speaker 1: Minister Benjamin Ettnya, who spoke to his parliament overnight saying 21 00:01:19,334 --> 00:01:22,734 Speaker 1: he was committed to this peace as Israeli troops withdraw 22 00:01:22,814 --> 00:01:25,454 Speaker 1: from the region, raising hopes that the war, which has 23 00:01:25,494 --> 00:01:28,574 Speaker 1: taken the lives of more than sixty seven thousand Palestinians, 24 00:01:28,774 --> 00:01:31,454 Speaker 1: with that number expected to rise significantly as the clean 25 00:01:31,534 --> 00:01:34,054 Speaker 1: up operations begin and bodies are pulled from beneath the 26 00:01:34,094 --> 00:01:37,854 Speaker 1: collapsed buildings, will end after more than two years, along 27 00:01:37,854 --> 00:01:40,814 Speaker 1: with the bodies of the four deceased hostages. All twenty 28 00:01:40,814 --> 00:01:43,334 Speaker 1: of the hostages still alive after they were taken during 29 00:01:43,334 --> 00:01:46,694 Speaker 1: the Hamas attack on Israel on October seven, twenty twenty three, 30 00:01:46,974 --> 00:01:49,814 Speaker 1: were met by cheering crowds while their families gathered in 31 00:01:49,854 --> 00:01:54,654 Speaker 1: Tel Aviv, footage capturing them crying with joy and immense relief. Meanwhile, 32 00:01:54,694 --> 00:01:57,214 Speaker 1: crowds gathered in the southern city of carn Units as 33 00:01:57,254 --> 00:02:01,334 Speaker 1: prisoners held captive by Israel arrived back in Gaza. Seventeen 34 00:02:01,414 --> 00:02:03,734 Speaker 1: hundred of those had been seized during the war and 35 00:02:03,814 --> 00:02:06,614 Speaker 1: held without charge. Once the bodies of the rest of 36 00:02:06,654 --> 00:02:10,094 Speaker 1: the deceased hostages are located and returned, the future of 37 00:02:10,134 --> 00:02:12,174 Speaker 1: the region will then be in the spotlight as the 38 00:02:12,174 --> 00:02:15,294 Speaker 1: ceasefire agreement holds, and the details around who will be 39 00:02:15,374 --> 00:02:18,174 Speaker 1: left to govern the enclave remains a work in progress. 40 00:02:19,014 --> 00:02:21,374 Speaker 1: Say Police are resuming the search for a missing four 41 00:02:21,414 --> 00:02:24,734 Speaker 1: year old boy after previously scaling it back. Little Gas 42 00:02:24,854 --> 00:02:27,574 Speaker 1: went missing from his family home at an isolated sheep 43 00:02:27,654 --> 00:02:31,334 Speaker 1: station south of Yanta on Saturday, September twenty seven. As 44 00:02:31,414 --> 00:02:34,814 Speaker 1: time passed, hopes of finding the child dimmed, police scaling 45 00:02:34,854 --> 00:02:37,934 Speaker 1: back the search after sending out officers to search along 46 00:02:37,934 --> 00:02:41,414 Speaker 1: with the tracker, police helicopters and infrared drones, which found 47 00:02:41,414 --> 00:02:44,494 Speaker 1: no signs of the toddler. However, police have announced they'll 48 00:02:44,534 --> 00:02:47,774 Speaker 1: continue the search of the property, expanding outside the area 49 00:02:47,774 --> 00:02:51,414 Speaker 1: they've already looked at. Australian Federal Police will investigate where 50 00:02:51,414 --> 00:02:54,654 Speaker 1: the Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe broke laws by saying she's 51 00:02:54,694 --> 00:02:58,054 Speaker 1: prepared to burn down Parliament House in support of Palestinians 52 00:02:58,414 --> 00:03:00,654 Speaker 1: at a rally in Melbourne on Sunday, the Senator for 53 00:03:00,734 --> 00:03:05,334 Speaker 1: Victoria compared the plight of Palestinians to that of Indigenous Australians, saying, 54 00:03:05,654 --> 00:03:08,094 Speaker 1: so we stand with you every day and we will 55 00:03:08,134 --> 00:03:10,614 Speaker 1: fight every day and we will turn up every day 56 00:03:10,814 --> 00:03:13,374 Speaker 1: and if I have to burn down Parliament House to 57 00:03:13,414 --> 00:03:16,414 Speaker 1: make a point. Senator Thorpe said her remarks were clearly 58 00:03:16,454 --> 00:03:19,014 Speaker 1: a figure of speech, but in a rare public statement, 59 00:03:19,054 --> 00:03:23,014 Speaker 1: the AFP confirmed it would consider whether the comments breach legislation. 60 00:03:23,614 --> 00:03:26,574 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift has announced a six part docu series will 61 00:03:26,614 --> 00:03:29,254 Speaker 1: air on Disney Plus called End of an Era and 62 00:03:29,334 --> 00:03:32,934 Speaker 1: based on her epic recent world tour a. 63 00:03:33,214 --> 00:03:36,934 Speaker 3: Ky We have broken every single record you can break 64 00:03:36,934 --> 00:03:49,214 Speaker 3: with this tour She's having. The only thing laughed is 65 00:03:49,254 --> 00:03:50,214 Speaker 3: to close the book. 66 00:03:50,494 --> 00:03:52,734 Speaker 1: She also announced a final show, which will be part 67 00:03:52,774 --> 00:03:55,134 Speaker 1: of her Era's Concert to a Movie that will include 68 00:03:55,174 --> 00:03:58,014 Speaker 1: songs from the Tortured Poets Department. The End of an 69 00:03:58,014 --> 00:04:00,094 Speaker 1: Era will drop the Concert to a Movie and the 70 00:04:00,134 --> 00:04:02,774 Speaker 1: first two episodes of the docu series on Disney Plus 71 00:04:02,854 --> 00:04:03,774 Speaker 1: on December twelfth. 72 00:04:06,654 --> 00:04:10,014 Speaker 2: A note before we jump into today's episode, this is 73 00:04:10,014 --> 00:04:12,854 Speaker 2: a developing story and Claire Murphy will give you the 74 00:04:12,974 --> 00:04:16,174 Speaker 2: most up to date information in the headlines. But this 75 00:04:16,334 --> 00:04:20,374 Speaker 2: is what we know so far. As quiet optimism grows 76 00:04:20,414 --> 00:04:24,454 Speaker 2: amongst the global community, there's still caution being exercised in Gaza, 77 00:04:24,854 --> 00:04:26,494 Speaker 2: with a near it to the end of a two 78 00:04:26,574 --> 00:04:31,414 Speaker 2: year conflict between Hamas and Israel looming. Last week, both 79 00:04:31,574 --> 00:04:34,574 Speaker 2: Israel and Hamas agreed to and signed off on the 80 00:04:34,614 --> 00:04:37,014 Speaker 2: first phase of a peace plan to end the war 81 00:04:37,054 --> 00:04:40,614 Speaker 2: in Gaza. The twenty point peace plan, broken by the 82 00:04:40,694 --> 00:04:43,974 Speaker 2: United States and President Donald Trump, starts with an agreement 83 00:04:43,974 --> 00:04:47,694 Speaker 2: from both Israel and Hamas to pause military action, releasing 84 00:04:47,734 --> 00:04:52,534 Speaker 2: all Israeli hostages and in return thousands of Palestinian prisoners 85 00:04:52,574 --> 00:04:55,854 Speaker 2: to be released too. Under the peace plan, a deadline 86 00:04:55,934 --> 00:04:58,734 Speaker 2: was set for Hamas to begin the hostage release. They 87 00:04:58,774 --> 00:05:02,654 Speaker 2: had until midnight Monday, Australian Eastern daylight time to do so. 88 00:05:03,334 --> 00:05:07,214 Speaker 2: Around four thirty pm Australian Eastern time yesterday, Hamas began 89 00:05:07,254 --> 00:05:09,574 Speaker 2: to release hostages back into the arms of their the 90 00:05:09,694 --> 00:05:13,334 Speaker 2: loved ones across the border. First seven of the twenty 91 00:05:13,414 --> 00:05:16,494 Speaker 2: remaining alive captives were delivered to the International Committee of 92 00:05:16,494 --> 00:05:19,934 Speaker 2: the Red Cross convoys, who transferred hostages to reunite with 93 00:05:19,974 --> 00:05:23,694 Speaker 2: their families and friends. It's been seven hundred and thirty 94 00:05:23,734 --> 00:05:26,854 Speaker 2: seven days since Hamas stole them and held them captive. 95 00:05:27,214 --> 00:05:31,254 Speaker 2: They were then transferred for medical attention. The remaining thirteen 96 00:05:31,294 --> 00:05:35,534 Speaker 2: hostages followed. It's believed there were forty eight hostages remaining 97 00:05:35,614 --> 00:05:39,014 Speaker 2: in Gaza. The twenty still alive have been released, the 98 00:05:39,014 --> 00:05:42,094 Speaker 2: bodies of the remaining twenty eight yet to be recovered. 99 00:05:42,854 --> 00:05:46,374 Speaker 2: At the same time, nearly two thousand Palestinian prisoners being 100 00:05:46,374 --> 00:05:49,614 Speaker 2: held in prisons across Israel were also returned across the 101 00:05:49,654 --> 00:05:53,814 Speaker 2: border back into Carnunis in southern Gaza. This weekend, we 102 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:57,294 Speaker 2: saw hundreds of thousands of Palestinians return to their home 103 00:05:57,334 --> 00:06:01,894 Speaker 2: in Gaza, with humanitarian aid flowing into the area. But 104 00:06:01,974 --> 00:06:04,334 Speaker 2: it's still a long way to life returning to what 105 00:06:04,374 --> 00:06:07,414 Speaker 2: it once was in Gaza. Most of the city, once 106 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:11,534 Speaker 2: standing tall as a thriving metropolis, reduced to rubble and decay, 107 00:06:13,974 --> 00:06:17,294 Speaker 2: while families anxiously await the return of hostages and prisoners. 108 00:06:17,414 --> 00:06:20,214 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and other world leaders, we're en route to 109 00:06:20,294 --> 00:06:25,014 Speaker 2: further peace talks in Egypt. Speaking from the tarmac ahead 110 00:06:25,054 --> 00:06:28,054 Speaker 2: of boarding Air Force one to Israel, US President Donald 111 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:32,174 Speaker 2: Trump reflected on this unique moment of unity. He also 112 00:06:32,214 --> 00:06:34,414 Speaker 2: claimed the war to be over during the flight. 113 00:06:36,094 --> 00:06:39,694 Speaker 3: Usually, if you have one sharing the other isn't. Everybody 114 00:06:39,814 --> 00:06:42,974 Speaker 3: is amazed and their thrilled, and it's an honor to 115 00:06:43,014 --> 00:06:45,974 Speaker 3: be involved, and we're gonna have an amazing time, and 116 00:06:46,534 --> 00:06:49,774 Speaker 3: it's going to be something that's never never happened before. 117 00:06:51,934 --> 00:06:55,614 Speaker 2: International relations expert doctor Jess Genauer has been following this 118 00:06:55,734 --> 00:06:59,734 Speaker 2: conflict with US closely for the last two years. Jess, 119 00:07:00,134 --> 00:07:02,854 Speaker 2: last time we spoke to you about Trump's twenty point 120 00:07:02,974 --> 00:07:06,334 Speaker 2: peace plan to end this war in Gaza, it seems 121 00:07:06,374 --> 00:07:10,294 Speaker 2: like phase one of the plant is underway. But what 122 00:07:10,334 --> 00:07:13,094 Speaker 2: does that mean? How many phases will it take to 123 00:07:13,374 --> 00:07:14,894 Speaker 2: execute all twenty points? 124 00:07:15,654 --> 00:07:19,334 Speaker 4: So I think there'll be at least three phases, And 125 00:07:19,414 --> 00:07:22,654 Speaker 4: in some ways, even though they're all significant and none 126 00:07:22,654 --> 00:07:26,054 Speaker 4: of them are easy, the first phase is in some 127 00:07:26,174 --> 00:07:28,574 Speaker 4: ways the one that was always the most likely one 128 00:07:28,694 --> 00:07:31,414 Speaker 4: that would actually be implemented. So in the first phase, 129 00:07:31,574 --> 00:07:36,014 Speaker 4: it's the release of Israeli hostages in exchange for an 130 00:07:36,054 --> 00:07:40,814 Speaker 4: Israeli withdrawal from at least significant parts of the Gaza Strip, 131 00:07:41,254 --> 00:07:44,694 Speaker 4: cessation of the Israeli military operation, and then the release 132 00:07:44,734 --> 00:07:50,974 Speaker 4: of Palestinian prisoners back to Gaza, and also humanitarian aid 133 00:07:51,254 --> 00:07:53,654 Speaker 4: starting to come in a significant way to the Gaza Strip. 134 00:07:53,734 --> 00:07:54,654 Speaker 3: So that's phase one. 135 00:07:54,974 --> 00:07:59,254 Speaker 4: Phase two would be about the immediate governance of the 136 00:07:59,294 --> 00:08:04,614 Speaker 4: Gaza Strip. Post any kind of Hamas regime. So if 137 00:08:04,694 --> 00:08:08,734 Speaker 4: Hamas really does fully agree, which we haven't quite seen yet, 138 00:08:09,014 --> 00:08:11,974 Speaker 4: to give us any sort of governance role in the 139 00:08:11,974 --> 00:08:16,054 Speaker 4: Gaza Strip, then phase two is what happens next. How 140 00:08:16,214 --> 00:08:21,014 Speaker 4: is governance and security in the Gaza Strip guaranteed in 141 00:08:21,094 --> 00:08:25,014 Speaker 4: the interim? And then Phase three would be a more 142 00:08:25,174 --> 00:08:31,654 Speaker 4: lasting solution around ongoing peace and stability. And each one 143 00:08:31,654 --> 00:08:36,134 Speaker 4: of these becomes progressively more difficult and in some ways 144 00:08:36,214 --> 00:08:40,334 Speaker 4: less likely that it will be able to be fully implemented, 145 00:08:40,414 --> 00:08:42,174 Speaker 4: successfully and in an effective way. 146 00:08:42,454 --> 00:08:44,814 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you say that, because my next question 147 00:08:44,894 --> 00:08:47,654 Speaker 2: to you, is there a chance that we will see 148 00:08:47,854 --> 00:08:51,334 Speaker 2: either Siety that Israel or Hamask not agree to all 149 00:08:51,414 --> 00:08:53,974 Speaker 2: twenty of these points and progress through the phases. 150 00:08:54,614 --> 00:08:54,934 Speaker 3: Yeah. 151 00:08:54,974 --> 00:08:59,654 Speaker 4: Absolutely So. There are a lot of complex issues that 152 00:08:59,774 --> 00:09:02,934 Speaker 4: have been mentioned in the twenty point plan in a 153 00:09:03,134 --> 00:09:07,494 Speaker 4: very light touch, broad rust stroke way, without any specific 154 00:09:07,534 --> 00:09:10,294 Speaker 4: detail about how they would be implemented, and many of 155 00:09:10,334 --> 00:09:14,174 Speaker 4: those could be incredibly tricky with a lot of sticking 156 00:09:14,214 --> 00:09:18,254 Speaker 4: points once we get to implementation. So, for example, Hamas 157 00:09:18,734 --> 00:09:22,934 Speaker 4: needs to completely disarm as part of this peace plan. Now, 158 00:09:23,054 --> 00:09:24,974 Speaker 4: how is that going to take place? He must have 159 00:09:24,974 --> 00:09:27,854 Speaker 4: said they're willing potentially to disarm if it's to a 160 00:09:27,854 --> 00:09:30,654 Speaker 4: Palestinian force, but they definitely don't want to hand over 161 00:09:30,734 --> 00:09:34,494 Speaker 4: weapons to an Israeli force or even an international force. 162 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:37,694 Speaker 4: So how would that actually take place and what would 163 00:09:37,694 --> 00:09:41,174 Speaker 4: that mean. There's another provision in the plan Palestinians in 164 00:09:41,214 --> 00:09:43,174 Speaker 4: Ghazo who want to leave would be able to leave. 165 00:09:43,294 --> 00:09:45,294 Speaker 4: Now it doesn't seem like there's any way that could 166 00:09:45,334 --> 00:09:48,374 Speaker 4: really be implemented on the ground. Would they leave out 167 00:09:48,374 --> 00:09:51,054 Speaker 4: of the border crossing into Egypt. That's incredibly unlikely that 168 00:09:51,094 --> 00:09:53,614 Speaker 4: Egypt would agree. They're certainly not going to leave out 169 00:09:53,694 --> 00:09:56,454 Speaker 4: of the border crossing into Israel. So there's another point 170 00:09:56,454 --> 00:09:58,334 Speaker 4: that we just had no idea what would happen in 171 00:09:58,414 --> 00:09:59,854 Speaker 4: terms of the detail now. 172 00:09:59,894 --> 00:10:02,254 Speaker 3: I think a key issue here. 173 00:10:02,334 --> 00:10:04,654 Speaker 4: Which is going to be a sticking point, is that 174 00:10:04,734 --> 00:10:07,654 Speaker 4: there's only so far that any negotiations or any plan 175 00:10:07,734 --> 00:10:12,734 Speaker 4: can go without in from Palestinians themselves, and without clear 176 00:10:13,054 --> 00:10:18,214 Speaker 4: Palestinian leadership and a clear Palestinian voice that is at 177 00:10:18,254 --> 00:10:22,054 Speaker 4: the table. So whilst there's talk of involving the Palestinian authority, 178 00:10:22,494 --> 00:10:25,974 Speaker 4: which is a good first step within the Palestinian landscape, 179 00:10:26,014 --> 00:10:29,894 Speaker 4: there's some ambivalence about the role of the Palestinian authority themselves. 180 00:10:29,934 --> 00:10:32,414 Speaker 4: So I think there are a lot of complex and 181 00:10:32,454 --> 00:10:35,774 Speaker 4: tricky issues here which haven't really been properly addressed. And 182 00:10:35,814 --> 00:10:38,334 Speaker 4: I think if it looks like foreign leaders or foreign 183 00:10:38,454 --> 00:10:42,534 Speaker 4: forces are coming into Palestinian territories or coming into the 184 00:10:42,614 --> 00:10:46,734 Speaker 4: Gaza strip and making decisions for Palestinians, that's not going 185 00:10:46,774 --> 00:10:48,934 Speaker 4: to be well received and that's not going to be 186 00:10:49,254 --> 00:10:50,814 Speaker 4: a good look going forward. 187 00:10:51,054 --> 00:10:54,094 Speaker 2: What can you tell us about the political figure Marwan Baghuti? 188 00:10:54,214 --> 00:10:58,334 Speaker 2: He's been referred to as this Palestinian Nelson Mandela. What's 189 00:10:58,374 --> 00:10:58,894 Speaker 2: his story? 190 00:10:59,334 --> 00:11:02,574 Speaker 4: As far as we understand, Marwan Barghuti is not currently 191 00:11:02,694 --> 00:11:05,814 Speaker 4: on the list of Palestinian prisoners who are going to 192 00:11:05,854 --> 00:11:10,734 Speaker 4: be released imminently, and there was the idea floated, you know, 193 00:11:10,774 --> 00:11:12,494 Speaker 4: would he be released, wouldn't he be now? 194 00:11:12,974 --> 00:11:14,094 Speaker 3: Marwan about Guti. 195 00:11:13,974 --> 00:11:17,854 Speaker 4: Is a very interesting figure because he is not really 196 00:11:18,254 --> 00:11:22,014 Speaker 4: from Hamas. He has sort of been associated with FATA 197 00:11:22,054 --> 00:11:24,734 Speaker 4: in the past or more associated with the Palestinian authority, 198 00:11:25,334 --> 00:11:29,174 Speaker 4: and so he really does sort of cross different lines 199 00:11:29,254 --> 00:11:33,894 Speaker 4: within the Palestinian landscape itself and actually has quite widespread 200 00:11:34,054 --> 00:11:36,974 Speaker 4: support from across different groups. We've sort of had this 201 00:11:37,054 --> 00:11:40,694 Speaker 4: division in the past between FATA or the Palestinian authority, 202 00:11:40,694 --> 00:11:42,694 Speaker 4: who have tended to have more of a focus on 203 00:11:42,774 --> 00:11:45,134 Speaker 4: trying to engage with Israel and engage in some sort 204 00:11:45,134 --> 00:11:48,334 Speaker 4: of discussions and negotiations, and then Kammas, we've said, no, 205 00:11:48,494 --> 00:11:53,894 Speaker 4: we have to pursue purely military action. So Marwan in 206 00:11:53,974 --> 00:11:56,894 Speaker 4: some ways kind of bridges that divide, and he does 207 00:11:56,934 --> 00:12:02,014 Speaker 4: actually command quite widescale support amongst Palestinians and could potentially 208 00:12:02,014 --> 00:12:04,374 Speaker 4: be a unifying figure. But I guess as long as 209 00:12:04,374 --> 00:12:07,734 Speaker 4: he stays in Israeli jail, and it doesn't seem at 210 00:12:07,734 --> 00:12:11,334 Speaker 4: the moment like he's going to be released imminently, then 211 00:12:11,454 --> 00:12:14,654 Speaker 4: there's only so much that he could do. There might 212 00:12:14,694 --> 00:12:17,334 Speaker 4: be at some stage an idea floated that he would 213 00:12:17,374 --> 00:12:20,214 Speaker 4: have some sort of governance for leadership role in the 214 00:12:20,254 --> 00:12:23,094 Speaker 4: second or third phases of this peace plan, but that 215 00:12:23,414 --> 00:12:25,814 Speaker 4: has not been suggested at the moment. 216 00:12:26,774 --> 00:12:27,814 Speaker 1: While a large part. 217 00:12:27,654 --> 00:12:29,974 Speaker 2: Of focus for this story has been the release of 218 00:12:30,014 --> 00:12:34,214 Speaker 2: hostages and Ghazans returning to their homes, another story continues 219 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:38,854 Speaker 2: to develop. That is what happens now. Will the ceasefire 220 00:12:38,934 --> 00:12:43,054 Speaker 2: hold once prisoners and hostages are swapped across borders. Will 221 00:12:43,134 --> 00:12:46,534 Speaker 2: aid continue to stream into Gaza as people return to 222 00:12:46,574 --> 00:12:50,654 Speaker 2: the remains of their homes, Will Palestinians ever be recognized 223 00:12:50,734 --> 00:12:53,694 Speaker 2: as their own state and who will lead them? And 224 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:55,694 Speaker 2: is this just the beginning of what will be a 225 00:12:55,774 --> 00:12:59,054 Speaker 2: long rebuild to restore the area to its former glory. 226 00:13:00,094 --> 00:13:03,614 Speaker 2: Shruk Ahala is a Palestinian journalist based in Gaza with 227 00:13:03,654 --> 00:13:07,174 Speaker 2: her two year old daughter, Denia. Truck runs Ain Media 228 00:13:07,374 --> 00:13:11,974 Speaker 2: and is a CPJ International Press Freedom Award winner, recognized 229 00:13:12,014 --> 00:13:15,174 Speaker 2: for her continued commitment to documenting the war in Gaza. 230 00:13:16,174 --> 00:13:19,174 Speaker 2: A decorated journalist and mother living in a war torn 231 00:13:19,214 --> 00:13:22,694 Speaker 2: area of the world, Shruck's story is shrouded in so 232 00:13:22,854 --> 00:13:27,574 Speaker 2: much sadness and unfathomable strength, including the death of her husband, 233 00:13:27,654 --> 00:13:31,934 Speaker 2: Roshti Saraj. On October twenty two, twenty twenty three, just 234 00:13:31,974 --> 00:13:34,854 Speaker 2: weeks after the conflict broke out, Shruck and her family 235 00:13:34,894 --> 00:13:38,374 Speaker 2: were eating breakfast when a bomb exploded on her neighbor's home. 236 00:13:39,174 --> 00:13:42,694 Speaker 2: Roshti was killed by a piece of shrapnel, leaving Schruck 237 00:13:42,894 --> 00:13:45,374 Speaker 2: mourning the death of her husband and the father to 238 00:13:45,454 --> 00:13:49,134 Speaker 2: their tiny daughter. Their family, like so many others in Gaza, 239 00:13:49,134 --> 00:13:53,614 Speaker 2: and Israel broken by the conflict, Shruck has continued to 240 00:13:53,694 --> 00:13:57,214 Speaker 2: document the war as it unfolded in Gaza. As signs 241 00:13:57,214 --> 00:13:59,294 Speaker 2: begin to point to the potential end of the war, 242 00:13:59,574 --> 00:14:03,054 Speaker 2: Shruck joins us, Now, Sharuk, can you tell us a 243 00:14:03,094 --> 00:14:05,374 Speaker 2: bit about what the last two years have looked like 244 00:14:05,414 --> 00:14:05,654 Speaker 2: for you? 245 00:14:06,214 --> 00:14:08,734 Speaker 3: And I ad met death. I've never said I will 246 00:14:08,814 --> 00:14:12,374 Speaker 3: wake out of I know you all counted as two years, 247 00:14:12,414 --> 00:14:16,614 Speaker 3: but I camp with hours, with days, because not a 248 00:14:16,614 --> 00:14:20,374 Speaker 3: single moment we have spent with a peace of mind, 249 00:14:20,694 --> 00:14:23,654 Speaker 3: with a state of mind as well, like running for 250 00:14:23,734 --> 00:14:27,054 Speaker 3: your safety all the time, if you managed to have 251 00:14:27,374 --> 00:14:31,254 Speaker 3: a safe place while there is no safe place during genocide, 252 00:14:31,494 --> 00:14:35,414 Speaker 3: there is a journey and struggle to find drinking water 253 00:14:35,854 --> 00:14:40,374 Speaker 3: and contaminated water, and also looking for food, especially at 254 00:14:40,374 --> 00:14:45,174 Speaker 3: the time of famine. I've been disaplaced nine times, and 255 00:14:45,374 --> 00:14:49,454 Speaker 3: being disablazed doesn't mean we are doing camping. We are 256 00:14:49,494 --> 00:14:53,934 Speaker 3: not collecting our stuff and belongings and just leaving easily. 257 00:14:54,054 --> 00:14:57,814 Speaker 3: It is about just running under attacks. So I've lost 258 00:14:57,974 --> 00:15:02,534 Speaker 3: my items, my clothes, the clothes of my daughter. Thinks 259 00:15:02,574 --> 00:15:07,174 Speaker 3: that I've never ever imagined in my life that those 260 00:15:07,214 --> 00:15:10,494 Speaker 3: things are gonna occupy in my mind, my day to 261 00:15:10,614 --> 00:15:15,014 Speaker 3: look for just to highlight we don't have electricity. It 262 00:15:15,214 --> 00:15:19,374 Speaker 3: is so suffocating not having a decent light at night. 263 00:15:19,734 --> 00:15:24,094 Speaker 3: We are all relying in flashlighters. And then in the 264 00:15:24,134 --> 00:15:27,534 Speaker 3: next day we are in running not to look for 265 00:15:27,854 --> 00:15:32,294 Speaker 3: places to charge our devices and how we do charging. Actually, 266 00:15:32,534 --> 00:15:36,334 Speaker 3: those who golucky to have solar Banel system, those who 267 00:15:36,374 --> 00:15:41,054 Speaker 3: are relying on these generators, those generators are basically functioning 268 00:15:41,214 --> 00:15:45,694 Speaker 3: on the hospitals. What is the worst thing here is 269 00:15:46,134 --> 00:15:50,534 Speaker 3: not being able to afford my daughter with whatever she needs. 270 00:15:51,454 --> 00:15:55,254 Speaker 3: She have dreamed several times of chocolate and I remember 271 00:15:55,334 --> 00:15:59,254 Speaker 3: the first time she she tasted it when she was 272 00:15:59,374 --> 00:16:02,254 Speaker 3: two years and a half because nothing we're available in 273 00:16:02,254 --> 00:16:05,654 Speaker 3: the market, and she was like, Mama, this is magic. 274 00:16:05,734 --> 00:16:10,014 Speaker 3: What is this? And this is really such a heavy 275 00:16:10,094 --> 00:16:13,014 Speaker 3: thing on a mother and a single mother, as I 276 00:16:13,054 --> 00:16:17,614 Speaker 3: have lost my my husband journal Lestri's de sirage in 277 00:16:17,654 --> 00:16:21,454 Speaker 3: the second week of this hell, raising up a baby 278 00:16:21,534 --> 00:16:25,454 Speaker 3: in a genocide is something that I don't know if 279 00:16:25,494 --> 00:16:28,774 Speaker 3: I've done well. But what I feel is that I'm guilty. 280 00:16:28,894 --> 00:16:32,414 Speaker 3: I'm guilty or not being enough for her for not 281 00:16:32,494 --> 00:16:35,934 Speaker 3: being his father, her sister, her brother, her mother. At 282 00:16:35,934 --> 00:16:37,014 Speaker 3: the same time. 283 00:16:37,454 --> 00:16:42,254 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing with us. You mentioned that the 284 00:16:42,334 --> 00:16:45,974 Speaker 2: loss of your husband, which anybody who loses a partner 285 00:16:46,134 --> 00:16:50,934 Speaker 2: and a parent to their child is immensely sad. In 286 00:16:50,974 --> 00:16:55,614 Speaker 2: your circumstances, it's amplified. Can you take us back to 287 00:16:55,654 --> 00:16:57,894 Speaker 2: the day when you lost Roshty? 288 00:16:59,054 --> 00:17:03,054 Speaker 3: His second ad version is coming very soon. In October, actually, 289 00:17:03,094 --> 00:17:07,134 Speaker 3: when this war started, we were approod and a workI trip, 290 00:17:07,374 --> 00:17:10,734 Speaker 3: and we decided to counsel every thing and return to 291 00:17:10,774 --> 00:17:15,654 Speaker 3: Gaza because we are journalists and we cannot show soldurity 292 00:17:15,974 --> 00:17:20,854 Speaker 3: from just being outside, and we love Gaza, we love 293 00:17:20,974 --> 00:17:24,974 Speaker 3: our families, our beloved ones, so we decided just to return. 294 00:17:25,934 --> 00:17:29,414 Speaker 3: We arrived at Gaza in the eighth of October, and 295 00:17:29,534 --> 00:17:33,054 Speaker 3: after our arrival in today's they closed the border. In 296 00:17:33,094 --> 00:17:38,854 Speaker 3: the twenty of October, we were eating breakfast together. She 297 00:17:39,214 --> 00:17:42,494 Speaker 3: was dressing up, preparing himself to go to do some 298 00:17:42,614 --> 00:17:47,854 Speaker 3: coverage inside the ambulances, and I was actually trying to 299 00:17:47,974 --> 00:17:50,574 Speaker 3: convince him not to go to do the coverage inside 300 00:17:50,574 --> 00:17:53,054 Speaker 3: the ambulances and just to make to do the coverage 301 00:17:53,134 --> 00:17:56,974 Speaker 3: inside the hospital. So it was super risky to go 302 00:17:57,094 --> 00:18:01,574 Speaker 3: for such mission, and I tried to convince him, and 303 00:18:01,614 --> 00:18:03,854 Speaker 3: he told me like srue. If I'm not doing this, 304 00:18:03,894 --> 00:18:06,854 Speaker 3: who're gonna do it? We have to document the scene 305 00:18:06,974 --> 00:18:10,294 Speaker 3: from inside the ambulances and how they can jealousies are 306 00:18:10,494 --> 00:18:14,414 Speaker 3: just on top of each other inside the ambulances until 307 00:18:14,454 --> 00:18:18,814 Speaker 3: we heard a very high exclusion, like many exclusions, So 308 00:18:18,854 --> 00:18:23,374 Speaker 3: we moved to the ground floor. I was holding his 309 00:18:23,534 --> 00:18:27,294 Speaker 3: hands and in the other hand I was carrying my daughter. 310 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:32,254 Speaker 3: She was eleven months old. He was just beside me 311 00:18:32,534 --> 00:18:36,854 Speaker 3: at that moment, unless just in a few seconds, he 312 00:18:37,094 --> 00:18:41,774 Speaker 3: just moved from being beside me to stand in front 313 00:18:41,854 --> 00:18:45,214 Speaker 3: of me and my daughter. So he stood in front 314 00:18:45,254 --> 00:18:50,414 Speaker 3: of us, he opened his arms wide, and just a 315 00:18:50,454 --> 00:18:56,254 Speaker 3: few seconds the attack happened. He gave us a shield, 316 00:18:56,894 --> 00:19:02,894 Speaker 3: He protected us in his own flesh. Nothing happened to me, 317 00:19:02,974 --> 00:19:05,934 Speaker 3: nothing happened to my daughter, because the wall that we were, 318 00:19:06,454 --> 00:19:10,494 Speaker 3: you know, relying on, did not collapse, but actually the 319 00:19:10,534 --> 00:19:13,054 Speaker 3: rest of the home collapsed, the part that is just 320 00:19:13,094 --> 00:19:17,374 Speaker 3: in front of us. Brughe d my husband. He received 321 00:19:17,454 --> 00:19:21,934 Speaker 3: all the shamble that caused by the attack because it 322 00:19:22,094 --> 00:19:25,774 Speaker 3: was a direct attack in the house. Because of the 323 00:19:25,814 --> 00:19:29,174 Speaker 3: pressure of the exclusion. You hear nothing you don't hear 324 00:19:29,214 --> 00:19:33,894 Speaker 3: the explosion. Your neighbors can hear it very loudly, but 325 00:19:34,414 --> 00:19:37,854 Speaker 3: when you are the same location and just a few 326 00:19:37,894 --> 00:19:42,014 Speaker 3: meters away from the rocket, hear the exclusion because of 327 00:19:42,054 --> 00:19:45,254 Speaker 3: the pressure. So I did not hear anything, and so 328 00:19:45,334 --> 00:19:49,534 Speaker 3: I did never imagine that we were hat as I 329 00:19:49,574 --> 00:19:53,374 Speaker 3: didn't feel that anything just hit me. I moved my 330 00:19:53,454 --> 00:19:56,654 Speaker 3: hands looking for my husband. The vision was so buggy 331 00:19:56,694 --> 00:20:01,174 Speaker 3: that I could not see anything. It just dust gray vision. 332 00:20:01,814 --> 00:20:05,454 Speaker 3: I had my phone in my pocket. I lighted the 333 00:20:05,494 --> 00:20:10,094 Speaker 3: flashlighter and I started to look for him. Then I 334 00:20:10,174 --> 00:20:13,934 Speaker 3: tried just to move. I was able to move. I 335 00:20:13,974 --> 00:20:19,294 Speaker 3: felt there is something heavy lies on my legs and 336 00:20:19,414 --> 00:20:24,094 Speaker 3: I found Rushetie lying on my legs. His siblings were 337 00:20:24,174 --> 00:20:27,454 Speaker 3: around me. I asked him just to help me to 338 00:20:27,534 --> 00:20:31,494 Speaker 3: pull him out of the rappa and we moved to 339 00:20:31,574 --> 00:20:35,854 Speaker 3: the street. At the same time, massive exclusions were happening. 340 00:20:36,254 --> 00:20:40,974 Speaker 3: But I've never thought about this. All my concern was 341 00:20:41,094 --> 00:20:45,534 Speaker 3: is my husband. When we moved to the street, divisions 342 00:20:45,574 --> 00:20:49,734 Speaker 3: were quite more clear. I tried to talk with him, 343 00:20:49,774 --> 00:20:54,174 Speaker 3: but he's not responding. His eyes were full of tears 344 00:20:54,574 --> 00:21:02,534 Speaker 3: and blood. What he was gasping like catching his lost 345 00:21:02,534 --> 00:21:08,734 Speaker 3: to breath. So We carried him along with his siblings 346 00:21:08,734 --> 00:21:11,054 Speaker 3: on foot to the hospital. It took us fifteen minutes 347 00:21:11,094 --> 00:21:13,134 Speaker 3: to arrive at the hospital. We went running in the 348 00:21:13,214 --> 00:21:17,694 Speaker 3: streets among the exclusions, and once we arrived to the hospital, 349 00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:21,934 Speaker 3: after ten minutes of our arrival, he was away. He left. 350 00:21:26,734 --> 00:21:31,254 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry that you and your family have had 351 00:21:31,254 --> 00:21:34,054 Speaker 2: to live on in the last few years of conflict 352 00:21:34,334 --> 00:21:39,294 Speaker 2: without Roshti. It's such a horrific way to lose somebody shrug. 353 00:21:40,214 --> 00:21:46,734 Speaker 2: There's now amongst the global community a cautious optimism. We've 354 00:21:46,734 --> 00:21:49,814 Speaker 2: seen people are returning to Gaza, there is some aid 355 00:21:49,934 --> 00:21:54,374 Speaker 2: being delivered, and as we speak right now, hostages and 356 00:21:54,454 --> 00:21:57,854 Speaker 2: prisoners are being swapped across the border. What is it 357 00:21:58,014 --> 00:22:00,294 Speaker 2: like on the ground today in Gaza. 358 00:22:01,054 --> 00:22:04,654 Speaker 3: I can tell you I'm not totally satisfied over everything 359 00:22:04,694 --> 00:22:08,694 Speaker 3: that is happening. I'm not comfortable. I'm somehow uncertain about 360 00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:13,254 Speaker 3: how things are gonna go Okay. We are witnessing significant 361 00:22:13,254 --> 00:22:16,974 Speaker 3: improvements on the ground. Part of these Realien hostages have 362 00:22:17,014 --> 00:22:21,814 Speaker 3: been released, and then the upcoming our part of the 363 00:22:21,814 --> 00:22:24,614 Speaker 3: Palestine prisoner is going to be released here in Gaza. 364 00:22:24,894 --> 00:22:29,574 Speaker 3: All sharing the concern about releasing the hostages and then 365 00:22:29,814 --> 00:22:33,094 Speaker 3: getting back to the attacks shrug. 366 00:22:33,774 --> 00:22:37,294 Speaker 2: What is your hope for the future of Palestine. 367 00:22:36,974 --> 00:22:41,854 Speaker 3: Is the freedom of Balistine We deserve to live in 368 00:22:41,854 --> 00:22:49,094 Speaker 3: a free country without conflicts, wars. My wish, my everyday wish, 369 00:22:49,414 --> 00:22:56,134 Speaker 3: is to able to witness the freedom. 370 00:22:56,334 --> 00:22:59,734 Speaker 2: Thanks again to doctor Jessica Nawa and journal sharuk Aila 371 00:23:00,014 --> 00:23:04,894 Speaker 2: for contributing to today's episode. As the story continues to develop, 372 00:23:04,934 --> 00:23:07,494 Speaker 2: we'll provide you with the latest information in the quickie 373 00:23:07,654 --> 00:23:11,494 Speaker 2: news headlines. Thanks for taking some time to feed your 374 00:23:11,534 --> 00:23:12,334 Speaker 2: mind with us today. 375 00:23:12,374 --> 00:23:13,614 Speaker 3: The Quikie is produced 376 00:23:13,614 --> 00:23:17,574 Speaker 2: By me Table Strano, Ilario Brophy and Claire Murphy, with 377 00:23:17,774 --> 00:23:19,694 Speaker 2: audio production by Lou Hill.