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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mumma Mia podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 1: This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quikie.

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Speaker 1: The world continues to watch on in anticipation for what

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Speaker 1: will happen next as Israel and Hamas work towards a

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Speaker 1: permanent ceasefire in Gaza. So far, we've seen part of

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Speaker 1: a twenty point piece plan agreed to by both sides,

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Speaker 1: with hundreds of thousands of Palestinians returning home and aid

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Speaker 1: flowing into the strip. The Red Cross continuing a multi

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Speaker 1: phase operation to release the Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners.

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Speaker 1: But does this signify the end of the war and

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Speaker 1: what happens next? Before we get there, Here is Clare

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Speaker 1: Murphy with the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: October fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. The bodies are four of the reported twenty

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Speaker 2: eight remaining hostages who died in the conflict in Gaza

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Speaker 2: have been returned to Israel, but it's not immediately clear

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Speaker 2: when the other twenty before will be repatriated. Israeli Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin Ettnya, who spoke to his parliament overnight saying

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Speaker 2: he was committed to this peace as Israeli troops withdraw

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Speaker 2: from the region, raising hopes that the war, which has

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Speaker 2: taken the lives of more than sixty seven thousand Palestinians,

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Speaker 2: with that number expected to rise significantly as the clean

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Speaker 2: up operations begin and bodies are pulled from beneath the

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Speaker 2: collapsed buildings, will end after more than two years, along

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Speaker 2: with the bodies of the four deceased hostages. All twenty

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Speaker 2: of the hostages still alive after they were taken during

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Speaker 2: the Hamas attack on Israel on October seven, twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three were met by cheering crowds while their families gathered

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Speaker 2: in Tel Aviv, footage capturing them crying with joy and

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Speaker 2: immense relief. Meanwhile, crowds gathered in the southern city of

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Speaker 2: carn Units as prisoners held captive by Israel arrived back

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Speaker 2: in Gaza. Seventeen hundred of those had been seized during

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Speaker 2: the war and held without charge. Once the bodies of

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Speaker 2: the rest of the deceased hostages are located and returned,

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Speaker 2: the future of the region will then be in the

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Speaker 2: spotlight as the ceasefire agreement holds and the details around

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Speaker 2: who will be left to govern the enclave remains a

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Speaker 2: work in progress, say Police are resuming the search for

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Speaker 2: a missing four year old boy after previously scaling it back.

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Speaker 2: Little Gars went missing from his family home at an

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Speaker 2: isolated sheep station south of Yanta on Saturday, September twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: As time passed, hopes of finding the child dimmed, police

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Speaker 2: scaling back the search after sending out officers to search

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Speaker 2: along with the tracker, police helicopters and infrared drones, which

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Speaker 2: found no signs of the toddler. However, police have announced

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Speaker 2: they'll continue the search of the property, expanding outside the

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Speaker 2: where the Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe broke laws by saying

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Speaker 2: she's prepared to burn down Parliament House in support of Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: At a rally in Melbourne on Sunday, the Senator for

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Speaker 2: Victoria compared the plight of Palestinians to that of Indigenous Australians, saying,

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Speaker 2: so we stand with you every day, and we will

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Speaker 2: fight every day, and we will turn up every day

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Speaker 2: and if I have to burn down Parliament House to

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Speaker 2: make point, Senator Thorpe said her remarks were clearly a

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Speaker 2: figure of speech, but in a rare public statement, the

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Speaker 2: AFP confirmed it would consider whether the comments breach legislation.

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift has announced a six part docu series will

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Speaker 2: air on Disney Plus called End of an Era and

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Speaker 3: Akay, we have broken every single record you can break

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Speaker 3: with this tour She's having. The only thing laughed is

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Speaker 2: She also announced a final show, which will be part

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Speaker 2: of her Era's Concert to a Movie that will include

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Speaker 2: songs from the Tortured Poets Department. The End of an

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Speaker 2: Era will drop the Concert to a Movie and the

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Speaker 2: first two episodes of the docu series on Disney Plus

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Speaker 2: on December twelfth.

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Speaker 1: A note before we jump into today's episode, this is

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Speaker 1: a developing story and Claire Murphy will give you the

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Speaker 1: most up to information in the headlines, but this is

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Speaker 1: what we know so far. As quiet optimism grows amongst

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Speaker 1: the global community, there's still caution being exercised in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: with a near it to the end of a two

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Speaker 1: year conflict between Hamas and Israel looming. Last week, both

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Speaker 1: from both Israel and Hamas to pau's military action, releasing

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Speaker 1: Around four thirty pm Australian Eastern Time yesterday, Hamas began

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Speaker 1: Red Cross Convoys, who transferred hostages to reunite with their

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Speaker 1: were then transferred for medical attention. The remaining thirteen hostages followed.

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Speaker 1: It's believed there were forty eight hostages remaining in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: The twenty still alive have been released the bodies of

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Speaker 1: same time, nearly two thousand Palestinian prisoners being held in

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Speaker 1: prisons across Israel were also returned across the border back

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Speaker 1: into Carnunis in southern Gaza. This weekend, we saw hundreds

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Speaker 1: families anxiously await the return of hostages and prisoners. Donald

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Speaker 1: peace talks in Egypt. Speaking from the tarmac ahead of

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Speaker 1: boarding Air Force One to Israel, US President Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: reflected on this unique moment of unity. He also claimed

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Speaker 4: Usually if you have one sharing the other isn't.

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Speaker 5: Everybody is amazed and they're thrilled, and it's.

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Speaker 4: An honor to be involved.

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Speaker 6: And we're gonna have an amazing time and it's going

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Speaker 1: International relations expert doctor Jess Genauer has been following this

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Speaker 1: conflict with US closely for the last two years. Jess,

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Speaker 1: last time we spoke to you about Trump's twenty point

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Speaker 1: peace plan to end this war in Gaza, it seems

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Speaker 1: like phase one of the plant is underway. But what

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Speaker 1: does that mean? How many phases will it take to

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Speaker 1: exit acute all twenty points?

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Speaker 5: So I think there'll be at least three phases, And

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Speaker 5: in some ways, even though they're all significant and none

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Speaker 5: that would actually be implemented. So in the first phase,

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Speaker 5: it's the release of Israeli hostages in exchange for an

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Speaker 5: cessation of the Israeli military operation, and then the release

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Speaker 4: So that's phase one.

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Speaker 5: Phase two would be about the immediate governance of the

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Speaker 5: How is governance and security in the Gaza Strip guaranteed

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Speaker 5: in the interim? And then Phase three would be a

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Speaker 5: more lasting solution around ongoing peace and stability. And each

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you say that, because my next question

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Speaker 5: Absolutely so. There are a lot of complex issues that

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Speaker 5: very light touch, broad rust stroke way, without any specific

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Speaker 5: needs to completely disarm as part of this peace plan. Now,

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Speaker 5: So how would that actually take place and what would

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Speaker 5: that mean. There's another provision in the plan Palestinians in

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Speaker 5: Now it doesn't seem like there's any way that could

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Speaker 4: I think a key issue here.

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Speaker 5: Which is going to be a sticking point, is that

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Speaker 5: So I think there are a lot of complex and

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Speaker 5: I think if it looks like foreign leaders or foreign

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Speaker 1: What can you tell us about the political figure Marwan Baghuti.

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Speaker 1: He's been referred to as this Palestinian Nelson Mandela. What's

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Speaker 5: As far as we understand, Marwan Barghuti is not currently

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Speaker 5: on the list of Palestinian prisoners who are going to

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Speaker 5: to pursue purely military action. So Marwan in some ways

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Speaker 5: unifying figure. But I guess as long as he stays

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Speaker 1: While a large part of focus for this story has

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Speaker 1: another story continues to develop. That is what happens now.

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Speaker 1: Will the ceasefire hold once prisoners and hostages are swapped

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Speaker 1: can you tell us a bit about what the last

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Speaker 6: I've been disaplaced nine times. And being disablazed doesn't mean

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Speaker 6: So I've lost my items, my clothes, the clothes of

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Speaker 1: Time, thank you for sharing with us. You mentioned that

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Speaker 6: In October, actually, when this war started, we were Approd

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Speaker 7: And we love Gauza, we love our families, our beloved ones,

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Speaker 6: I can tell you I'm not totally satisfied over everything

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Speaker 1: What is your hope for the future of Palestine?

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Speaker 4: Is the freedom of Balastine.

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Speaker 6: We deserve to live in a free country without conflicts, wars.

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Speaker 6: My wish, my everyday wish, is to able to witness

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to doctor Jessica Nauer and journal sharuk Aila

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