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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 1: I'm in love, I'm obsessed and I don't even feel

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you beauty the Daily Podcast for

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Speaker 1: I'm Lee Campbell. I'm Keilly mccaren. How are you my friend?

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm not too shabby, but I'm even better now

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Speaker 1: that I'm in the studio with you.

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Speaker 2: I love when you bring the pep. So it's Monday,

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Speaker 1: I do love it when I bring the pep because

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Speaker 1: when I don't bring the pep, you've really got a rally.

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Speaker 1: Then I have to bring PEPs.

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Speaker 2: But it's not hard because what we do on Mondays

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Speaker 2: is answer you be questions. You guys send them in

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Speaker 1: But today what are we doing? All right? So later

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Speaker 1: on in the episode, we have a question about curly

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Speaker 1: hair and product recommendations for a very common problem that

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Speaker 1: our Spirally sisters face. But first I couldn't help, but

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Speaker 1: wonder asked me anything you ask any questions, Catherine has

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Speaker 1: asked I have a question for Leene Kelly. I'm due

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Speaker 1: to give birth in April, and I was wondering about

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Speaker 1: don't think I do a full face and was planning

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Speaker 1: on doing a lash lift and a tint beforehand, and

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Speaker 1: about my skin, particularly my scary dark under eyes. Are

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Speaker 2: No, she'll probably be on the way to the hospital

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Speaker 2: going I've gotta listen to you, beauty. Let me say

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Speaker 2: you probably won't care, but it's okay to care before.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is I had a

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Speaker 2: planned induction at nine o'clock at night. I then two

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Speaker 2: I had had such a stressful kind of fertility journey,

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Speaker 2: I did blow dry my hair, I put lashes on. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we were going to dinner, but also I was going

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Speaker 2: Middleton did her own makeup on her wedding day, because

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Speaker 2: I think her life felt so out of control that

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Speaker 2: So many people go, eh, don't be vain because you're

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Speaker 1: Look, why do you think it's a vanity thing. When

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Speaker 2: by Nature Hydra stick lip and cheek color. It's a

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Speaker 2: She put on portrait mode. She took the most amazing photos.

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Speaker 2: But the one with the sheet riches by my side,

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Speaker 1: Can you just put a little thingy over it?

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Speaker 2: And it's hard for feeding. But like a lash lift

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a thing that pre baby, you

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Speaker 2: tiny baby, you be okay after the break. Debbie wants

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Speaker 1: Debbie has asked, Hey, ladis hope you're doing well? I

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Speaker 1: my curls. Could you please give me some recommendations for

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi today. So I've got fine hair, but it's

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Speaker 1: What have you got? I've got fine hair, lots of

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Speaker 1: it very curly. However, I never wear it curl. I

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Speaker 2: It's the R and Co Cool Wind pH Perfect air

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Speaker 2: dry Cream. So it's for anyone that wants to air

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Speaker 2: dry straight, curly, coily wavy. You just sort of use

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so good, So you should try that.

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Speaker 2: But then, particularly or specifically for curly fine hair, the

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Speaker 2: John frieda air dry Waves that's a Moose currently half

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Speaker 2: dollars fifty and so because it's a Moose, you won't

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Speaker 2: because it's not like nineteen eighties moose, and it's very

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Speaker 2: lightweight because I think where you might be going wrong

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Speaker 2: is those really thick creams or like serami oils.

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Speaker 1: A couple of others.

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Speaker 2: The OGX Quenching Coconut curls, Frieze defying styling milk, so

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Speaker 2: this is a really lightweight, almost like a face serum.

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Speaker 2: So that's really good for fine hair, whereas they've got

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Speaker 2: other options for like thick curly hair. So that's a

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Speaker 2: milk OGX a couple more than kel can take over.

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Speaker 2: The Christines. I love Christines, and the brand disappeared from

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Speaker 2: Australia for a while and then came back. It is

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Speaker 2: in chemist ware House. The Christines Ultra Light Curl Defining

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Speaker 2: Cream twenty one ninety nine at Chemists Warehouse. It is

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Speaker 2: for curly girls with fine hair.

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Speaker 1: If you're wearing a bold lip, like as we go

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Speaker 2: I never heard of and now I will never tease

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Speaker 2: That one's fifteen dollars And if you prefer your tools

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Speaker 2: It's just because I think I don't know how many

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Speaker 2: Also, when you've got animals, you don't want them going

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