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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast.

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Speaker 1: The Quickie. Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman seem to be

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Speaker 1: the picture of happily married, at least from this outsider's

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Speaker 1: point of view. But now that the Aussie Golden couple

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Speaker 1: who feel like if they can't make it, surely love

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Speaker 1: is dead for all of us. We'll be looking into

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Speaker 1: that today. And also we have found out that more

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Speaker 1: sunscreens are being taken off the shelves and mid concerns

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Speaker 1: they aren't the SBF they claim to be. We'll discuss

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Speaker 1: a fallout of a celebrity marriage and what we need

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Speaker 1: to know about the tools we used to be sunsafe soon,

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Speaker 1: but before we get there, here's the letters from the

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Speaker 1: Quikie Newsroom for Thursday October two. Jane Goodall, the conservationist

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Speaker 1: and primatologist who spent her life researching chimpanzees, has died.

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Speaker 1: The ninety one year old's passing was announced by the

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Speaker 1: Jane Goodell Institute in an Instagram post saying she died

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Speaker 1: of natural causes while in California on a speaking tour.

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Speaker 1: Goodull's work changed science. Spending time living amongst chimpanzees in Africa,

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Speaker 1: she discovered that they shared many traits we only thought

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Speaker 1: exclusive to humans, including their ability to use tools. She

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Speaker 1: also got to know them as personalities, changing the way

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Speaker 1: we viewed our closest living biological relatives, better understanding their

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Speaker 1: complex social and emotional communities. She has spent the past

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Speaker 1: few decades of her life dedicated to educating the world

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Speaker 1: on humanitarian causes and spreading her message of protecting the

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Speaker 1: natural world, spending up to three hundred days a year

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Speaker 1: traveling to spread the word. Survivors of one of the

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Speaker 1: deadly Barley bombing attacks have gathered for a beachside tribute

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Speaker 1: two decades on from the terrorist attack. Wednesday marked twenty

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Speaker 1: years since the two thousand and five bombings, which saw

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Speaker 1: four Australians amongst twenty people killed when multiple suicide and

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Speaker 1: car bombs targeted the Indonesian province. It was the second

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Speaker 1: major attack on the island in three years, after a

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two Ballely bombing killed two hundred and

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Speaker 1: two people, including eighty eight Australians. Australia marked twenty years

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Speaker 1: since the two thousand and five attack on Wednesday, with

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Speaker 1: memorial services in Bali and Newcastle, the home of three

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Speaker 1: of the victims. The Northern Territory, the only jurisdiction left

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Speaker 1: in Australia without current voluntary assisted dying laws, is set

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Speaker 1: to reinstate the legislation that was struck down thirty years ago.

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Speaker 1: The territory became the first Australian jurisdiction to make voluntary

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Speaker 1: euthanasia legal in nineteen ninety five, but the laws were

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Speaker 1: Acting Anti Chief Minister Jered Maylee said a Legal and

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Speaker 1: Constitutional Affairs Committee report and proposed drafting instructions would be

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Speaker 1: tabled on the next sitting day for debate. The Global

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Speaker 1: some Wood flotilla trying to deliberate to Gaza says unidentified

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Speaker 1: to a zone where Israel has imposed naval blockade. The

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Speaker 1: flotilla consists of more than forty civilian boats carrying around

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Speaker 1: five hundred people, amongst them parliamentarians, lawyers and activists, including

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Speaker 1: Swedish Climate campaign at Greta Thunburg. It aims to break

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Speaker 1: Israel's blockade of the Palestinian enclave, releasing a statement saying

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Speaker 1: who operated the vessels that approached the flotilla. A video

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Speaker 1: its communication systems before departing. Fresh off her catwalk debut

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Speaker 1: Asian Cup, which kicks off here in Australia in March. Chunk,

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Speaker 1: estimated chunks pre hibernation weight at five hundred and forty kilos.

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Speaker 1: Nicole and Keith, two people most of us will never meet,

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Speaker 1: but they've got us despairing that love just might be over.

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Speaker 1: those feelings after this. On Tuesday, September thirty, in Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: documents were filed with the local authorities from Ossie actor

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Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman. In these documents, she filed for divorce from

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Speaker 1: her husband, Keith Urban, the Australian country singer to whom

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Speaker 1: just celebrated their nineteen year anniversary three months ago, Nicole

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Speaker 1: respond to hers. The documents cite irreconcilable differences, but there

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Speaker 1: also stories about their prenup, details, their custody arrangement, and

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Speaker 1: Kidman explaining why their marriage ended. They are not real

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Speaker 1: unless one or both of them decided to share the

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Speaker 1: inner workings of their relationship. We may never know the

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Speaker 1: fact that a little over a year ago, Keith stood

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Speaker 2: We got married in June two thousand and six, and

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Speaker 2: barely four months into our marriage, my addictions that I

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Speaker 2: ains and I went into the Betty Ford Center for

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Speaker 2: for three months with no idea what was going to

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Speaker 2: Nick pushed through every negative voice, I'm sure even some

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Speaker 1: But one thing that keeps us wondering about the demise

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Speaker 3: Well, Nicole feels like one of us. She's Ozzie, Keith's

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Speaker 3: Ozzie as well, She's one of ours. So even though

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Speaker 3: Exactly. They did have this beautiful, well wind fairy tale romance.

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Speaker 3: So it did feel like this was a couple who

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Speaker 1: So what do you think about now? This narrative shift

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Speaker 3: I don't think that we can call a nineteen year marriage,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that we can say that this is

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Speaker 3: twenty years of life, and just because they are divorcing

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Speaker 3: does not erase the fact that they had this beautiful

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Speaker 3: love story. It doesn't erase the years that they've showed

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Speaker 1: So we need to look at this less as oh

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Speaker 1: just the natural ending of their love story.

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Speaker 3: there's a different chapter. And I think it's a slippery

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Speaker 3: they can't make it and love is dead, then then

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Speaker 3: love works for everyone. And I don't think we can

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Speaker 3: say that Nicole Kingman will never have another beautiful love story,

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Speaker 3: and saying for Keith, I mean again, we don't know

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Speaker 3: what's the circumstances of their split. It's all speculation at

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Speaker 3: this point. But yeah, let's not cry poor Nicole, poor

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Speaker 3: in between that I don't think we can discount just

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Speaker 3: because the marriage is ending.

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Speaker 1: but the slop part of that message has gotten caught

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Speaker 1: poll one of its popular products, Lean Screen SPF fifty

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Speaker 1: same base formulation as a number of other sunscreens. The

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Speaker 1: manufacture of that base formulation, wild Child Laboratories PtyLtd, has

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Speaker 1: now received preliminary SPF testing results for that base formulation.

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Speaker 1: The preliminary testing indicates that this base formulation is unlikely

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Speaker 1: some of the goods be as low as SPF four.

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Speaker 1: their investigation into this, they I have found some testing

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Speaker 1: laboratories are more reliable than others, saying one facility in particular,

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Speaker 1: they were responsible for testing many of the products that

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Speaker 1: use the lean screen based product, confirming the SBF fifty plus.

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Speaker 1: Many of the brands of sunscreen caught up in this

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Speaker 1: full list in our show notes, it might be time

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Speaker 1: to consider another option. So how are we supposed to

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Speaker 1: trust that sunscreen is doing what it's meant to? I

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Speaker 1: spoke to dermatologists doctor Kara McDonald for an upcoming episode

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Speaker 1: of Mum and Me as women's health podcast, well about it.

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Speaker 1: She said this with regards to the SPF factor and

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Speaker 1: can we rely on that It's difficult. I think it's

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Speaker 1: worth just noting that all the sunscreens that have been recalled,

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Speaker 1: mineral sunscreen, okay, And what we do know is that

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Speaker 1: traditionally it's much much harder to get a high consistent

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Speaker 1: me wrong, there are some amazing brands out there that

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Speaker 1: have mineral sunscreens that have a nice consistency, But on

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Speaker 1: the whole, the chemical sunscreens are much more reliable for

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Speaker 1: are worried about SBF and you're worried about sun protection,

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Speaker 1: but not least, is even an SBF four, even an

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Speaker 1: SBF ten, you are still getting significant benefits against the

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Speaker 1: sun compared to no sunscreen at all, so it's less

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Speaker 1: important to panic so much about whether it was SBF

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Speaker 1: fifty or thirty. It's more important to use something. But

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Speaker 1: reassuring for the consumer in the near future. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: taking some time to feed your mind with us today.

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Speaker 1: The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy with audio

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Speaker 1: production by Teagan Sadler.